>all these new casual friendly handholding features How can

>>26756269

Pokémon has always been Casual.

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Have you got anything better to do Plankton?

What was the reaction to infinite TMs I wonder...

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>>26756269
It's a children's game. No need to defend it or complain about it. If you don't want to use them, then don't fucking use them

>>26756296
>the "it's a le children's game!" excuse

Where is this shit coming from? I hated piss-easy games even when I was a kid.

>>26756287
casual != pissbaby handholding casual

i played pokemon yellow again a few months ago and it was definitely more challenging than x/y

>>26756315
Pokémon has always been casual and easy.

>>26756326
re-read my post dumbass

>>26756305
>I hated piss-easy games even when I was a kid.
I see that changed if you're here now.

>>26756305
You don't represent all kids, so I fail to see why that's relevant.

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>>26756305
It's a children's game. No need to defend it or complain about it. If you don't want to use them, then don't fucking use them

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>>26756305
And you still do. That's saying a lot, anon

>>26756338
>>26756351
Kids these days don't even play fucking pokemon. They've look to other genres like FPS games because they actually still have some semblance of challenge.

What kind of hopped-up-on sugar child would have fun playing a game that offers no challenge?

>>26756351
>If you don't want to use them, then don't fucking use them
There's no confirmed way to turn it off.

Having said that, if he's really as good as he thinks he must be, it shouldn't bother him because it'd just be reinforcing what he already knows anyway.

>>26756269
back in my day, we had to work really hard for hours to train our computer data til it was strong enough most times

>>26756269
It's a kid game you fucking man child

>>26756305
You're a literal retard if you think these games are hard

>it's always been easy!
>it's for children!

GF shills only 2 cards in this argument.

GF is too lazy to actually implement a difficulty mode that would accommodate people looking for challenge and people actually defend this.

>just do nuzlocke!
>don't use EXP share!
>play with your eyes closed!

>>26756359
Us as children back in the RBY days.

>>26756359
>What kind of hopped-up-on sugar child would have fun playing a game that offers no challenge?
Yo-kai Watch was a huge hit in Japan recently and it literally plays itself. Guess what it's competing with?

You wanted GF to get with the times, right? That's what they're doing.

>>26756359
>Kids these days don't even play fucking pokemon.

Source: my ass

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>>26756359
It's a children's game. No need to defend it or complain about it. If you don't want to use them, then don't fucking use them

Pokemon fans are way too casual to even have an OPTION for a hard mode.

The sheer existence of a hard mode OPTION would actually scare off pokemon fans.

Let that sink in

>spams full restores and revives
>complains about how easy the new games are

ITT: Manbabies upset that they, specifically, are not the target demographic

>>26756382
Why do you even play Pokémon?

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>>26756351
>>26756396
What the fuck did I just start?

>>26756269
>all these new casual friendly handholding features
You mean the one? The showing of type effectiveness which only appears after you encounter a Pokemon for the first time? Seriously you act like they've added about 15 things this Gen alone to "casualize the game" when they haven't, just shut the fuck up already.

>>26756402
Alright, dumbass. Here are the current self imposed difficulty settings I'm using.

>no items in battle
>pokeballs only
>no traded or breeded mons
>exp share off
>set on

What else should I do? The game is still piss easy. Should I play with my arms tied behind my back?

>>26756408
competitive

>>26756427
your rival also picks the pokemon weak to yours now

not to mention you have a warning if someone is a trainer, so you can avoid them (trainers are scary)

>>26756439
Play with your nose Anon, that should offer a challenge.

>>26756305
Did you have a game where you were expected to memorize the types of nearly 1000 different monsters with 360some possible type combinations plus the strengths and weaknesses of each?

>>26756315
There is literally no difference in playing yellow on gameboy color and playing x/y on 3ds in terms of difficulty
Stop making bullshit up because pokemon has always been easy unless for some stupid reason you didn't bring enough potions with you just to up the difficulty

>>26756459
Not him but I did have more challenge with Yellow

With no EXP share, I actually had to train all my pokemon one by one. Also trainers were more annoying with status effect moves. Trainers also give out less money after you beat them (I found myself struggling money-wise for most of the game). I even lost to a couple of the E4 trainers.

XY, on the other hand, was pretty much a joke. I think ONE of my pokemon fainted once and that was because of an unexpected 4x weakness move.

>>26756459
>playing yellow on gameboy color
Well la-te-da looks like we got a rich boy here. Back in my day if you wanted to pocket some mons you had to borrow a scratched-up Red version cartridge from the nip kid in class and play on your lunch break on your brick-sized OG Gameboy.

Pokemon is casual as fuck, dude. What planet do you live on

All the main games are easy.
Emerald and Platinum are the only ones that had their moments of any challenge.

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>>26756445
Then why the fuck are you complaining or even care to begin with?

>>26756541
Because I'd like to enjoy pokemon as a semi-challenging RPG rather than something I have to drudge through to get to the post-game

>>26756326
is this the only thing you GF apologists can spew? holy shit.

>>26756495
>>26756515
How is this an argument?

yes, it's always been easy, but wouldn't you retards like a pokemon game that actually challenges you?

Oh wait, let me guess, no you wouldn't because you blah blah like how it's easy blah blah i'm a retard blah blah

>>26756331
Oh, sorry.

:(

I was reading too fast.

>>26756459
Did you even play Plat/BW2?

>>26756599

It's true and you know.

When has Pokémon ever been Hard?

>>26756583
>Choose a starter
>use only it
>run through the entire game
you haven't played many Pokémon games, senpai. These games have never been challenging. You're purposefully gimping yourself if you try using a balanced team.

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>>26756269
The only really bad feature they've shown is the type effectiveness shit. I don't think the stat changes are going to affect the game in any noticeable way. Is there any other new casualization I didn't see?


I really hate all the people defending the type shit with "it's a kid's game!" though. When did /vp/ become so self-depreciating? There were people defending Gen VI but they didn't seem to hate themselves as much, defenses like "Just turn the Exp. Share off!" were shitty in my eyes but it was better than this, since they were arguing that you can have fun despite the casualization. Here it's just "it's not meant for you or me, play something else, stop complaining!"

I just can't imagine they themselves are having fun, they're just defending GF because they feel obligated to. Unless they're actually underage and do like the change, which is a possibility considering the board we're on.

>>26756305
Are you not still a kid?

>>26756407
Doesn't that make you an even bigger manbaby for liking the baby changes?

>>26756670
The type effectiveness indicator doesn't matter you idiot

googling a type effectiveness chart isn't difficult

>>26756698
>googling a type effectiveness chart isn't difficult

Why do defenders of the type hint always assume everyone plays with a walkthrough?

>>26756704
Why do people who shit on this always assume that not knowing type effectiveness is a matter of difficulty and not a sign of their own retardation?

>>26756697
Never said I liked them, I am indifferent. At least I'm not the one creating a thread to complain on a Mongolian moving pictures image board about "muh challenge".

Did people complain this much when BW ruined everything by limiting the Elite 4 to only 4 Pokemon?
That was was easily the worst thing to happen to the series.

gen 4 and 5 had well balanced difficulty in story modes with nicely challenging end game shit for people looking for that kind of deal

new games are retard proof hand holding simulators and when you complete it there is literally no end game because fuck you

you can scream all the excuses you want but there no denying there has been a huge change in difficulty without adding any optional stuff to make up for people who don't want brain dead easy mode

>>26756515
How was platinum hard? Haven't played in years.

I first played Red around the time Pearl came out. first game was Ruby and I finally beat the Elite Four with Pearl.

I chose Bulbasaur in Red and had trouble with a Youngster's Ekans's Wrap. and hadn't touched Red since sometime recent.

I tried replaying Red some months ago, though I changed my starter since I've used Bulbasaur in Leafgreen. I started with Squirtle, and while most of my team was strong against Grass and I had trouble with Erika's gym, the game was really fucking easy.

1st gen is only "hard" depending on how much you know/knew. With all the information we have on the internet, Pokemon has been made easier.

The Effective rating doesn't show up until after you've battled it before. Who doesn't look at type charts OR use their brain to figure out effective moves these days? SM just made it easier to come by instead of needing the internet/books for type charts

>>26756767
You gotta compare DP and BW to XY, anon. 3rd versions are always better, and Kalos never got a 3rd game.

>>26756774
It wasn't hard, none of the main games are.
It had the most competent Elite 4 and Champion though.
Everything after Platinum has been piss easy.

>>26756269
>it tells you if a move will be super effective or not

This would be terrible OP! You know, if it wasn't for the fact that we already memorized this shit anyway so this feature doesn't affect us in the slightest.

>>26756670
>The only really bad feature they've shown is the type effectiveness shit.
that's not even bad though, they're actually catching up with other RPGs that have had that feature for fucking ages.

>>26756670
Being able to see what elements work/don't work is such a commonplace feature in RPGs to begin with though. People are being so bitter over a feature that has existed for years since at least the third final fantasy on the god damn famicom

It obviously does tone down the difficulty a bit if you only have a rudimentary understanding of the type chart and how it applies to these 700+ individual monsters but people that have played it for years shouldn't care because it literally does not do anything you wouldn't already know outside of the Alola-introduced mons

>>26756827
i was referring to more of the fact that your rival picks the weaker pokemon

it's like every gen they have to add more shit to make it easier

i wonder how easy gen 10 will be at this rate

>>26756850
But Hau isn't even your rival, he was never stated to be the rival, if anything they haven't shown the rival yet. It's most likely the opposite gender you pick.

>>26756479
Yeah I do admit those game were more annoying with status moves but still I had a pretty even team leveling them up and I had enough potions and stuff
>>26756612
Platinum was maybe the only challenging game I'll give you that but still if you trained them evenly instead of just letting one or two mons do all the work then that's the players fault

Also I'm not saying I never whited out when I first played the games but they are not hard at all either. Really easy to get used to especially when you have centers and marts

>>26756850
Easy enough to the point where it doesn't matter how hard it is, this board and everyone on it will complain anyway

>>26756850
>i was referring to more of the fact that your rival picks the weaker pokemon

Usually when a rival does that there's a rival who picks the stronger one. Like Cheren and Bianca. Was it confirmed that we only have one rival this time?

Or are you getting mad at something that happened before?

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>>26756719
I know the type chart, but if I'm playing the game blind like I always do I won't know the types of every single Pokémon the first few times I meet. A lot of Pokémon you can easily figure out, like Pikapik is obviously a Flying-type, but there are odd ones here and there.

>>26756730
I'm not OP, and you are replying to a thread to get angry and yell at someone over wanting "muh challenge" despite finding it unimportant.

>>26756747
Yes, but I think the word was healed a bit since Challenge Mode brought it back to five each. It got more of a backlash in XY because they did that on top of other shit like the Exp. Share.

If every game had a challenge mode that was less retarded to unlock there would be far less complaints about the series.

>>26756828
>>26756831
But the difference between Pokémon and other JRPGs is other JRPGs are harder. If Pokémon wasn't piss easy already, and the games required more than just using Super Effective moves to beat Gym Leaders then nobody would be complaining about difficulty in the first place.

Wait where does that happen in Final Fantasy III? I played it and don't remember that being a thing, except the Scholar class that was a complete waste of a party member outside that one boss.

>>26756905
*the wound was healed a bit

>>26756880
>Was it confirmed that we only have one rival this time?
Nope, and there's probably a story reason it hasn't been revealed yet.

>>26756905
Nigger the type chart only appears after you already beat it. Your blindness will be intact.

>>26756905
>he doesn't catch every new Pokemon to see its type
found the casual

I really don't get the hate, every entry has been about your character going on an adventure and learning about pokemon. Adding a tiny mechanical reflection of that theme like getting a notification of which moves are SE against a pokemon after you've fought it before is hardly a big deal.

>>26756905
Also

>playing blind
>watching the E3 event

You wot nigger?

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>>26756905
I didn't say you were OP, nor am I by any means angry. Jeez, anon, you sure do a lot of >implying.

>>26756945
>meet new Pokémon with unusual type combination
>hit it with a Normal-type move
>game tells you exactly what to use in every battle onward

>>26756964
If they only told you the hint after you caught it that'd be fine. Not every Pokémon is initially met in the wild though.

>>26757005
You still came into the thread on a Serbian woodcutting forum to complain about people complaining, which is just as bad as the people complaining in the first place. Calling you angry was probably wrong but you are being just as judgmental as everyone else.

>>26756965
>character going on an adventure and learning about pokemon
thats exactly the problem
it doesn't feel like an adventure when you steam roll everything and get your hand held the entire way through
you aren't learning about pokemon by beating it to death with a normal move and magically knowing every single weakness and resistance of the mon

its kind of a big deal that they willing to just pretend like the series doesn't have older fans

>>26757021
I'm fine with judgmental. What does that make you for complaining about me making fun of people complaining? Does this ride ever end?

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>>26757068
Maybe we're just all faggots

wow, so much tears from manbabbies itt

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>>26757079
This, desu senpai

>>26757040
Bro if you're 1 shotting everything with a normal type move you're overleveled as fuck. If you're not one shotting them then you get to see at least some of their moveset which is going to clue you in to their types if their design didn't already.

You're nitpicking hardcore bro, personally I'm happy to see they're thinking about getting new children into a series that has an increasingly bloated list of mons, type combos, and moves by adding a feature that doesn't really hurt anyone.

>>26756697
Not caring isn't the same as liking, only an autist manbaby makes an mountain out of an anthill for some cash cow baby games.

>>26757215
>for some cash cow baby games.

Why are you even on this board.

>>26757157
its not nitpicking at all, its fucking terrible system

if say, you used a fire move on an oddish and then it only showed that using a fire attack on that mon was super effective then it would be alright
but just defeating one in anyway suddenly showing you every single moves effectiveness is retarded

People in these threads don't realize the truth that kids these days are basically retarded and don't have the attention span to play a game like Pokemon unless it plays for them.

Kids these days are honestly fucked desu.

>>26757229
I like the games, doesn't mean I'm delusional about them though.

>>26757281
Can you explain why you play baby games then? Because someone who thinks something is for babies and likes them anyway is probably a bigger "autist manbaby" than the people they're complaining about.

>>26756479
You had a false challenge in Yellow etc. You still leveled the pokemon up to make the gym easier, what's the difference between leveling it up faster or slower in the end? Nothing except a huge time waste difference. You actually LIKE leveling pokemon up individually? What the fuck kind of autistic reason can you come up with to support your self harm?

>>26757291
That just seems like a very defensive post, that just means they're real about it.
Being afraid of seeming "not normal" is fucking dumb.

>>26756609
Bro, it's a children's game.
I think you're pushing your autistic expectations a bit much. If you want a challenge then there's online battles, battle maison, tower etc. Don't expect the story line to be complicated because that's not optional in progression?

>>26757353
What the fuck is this dumb meme where children don't like being challenged?

>>26757259
>its not nitpicking at all, its fucking terrible system
No, it's just not a completely logical system within your personal narrative, there's a difference. As a gameplay system to keep an increasingly massive burden of knowledge in check for the core target audience of elementary-middle school kids without hurting the competitive scene it's nearly perfect. It only hurts the extreme minority of realism-rpfags (because the pokemon world was so realistic and internally consistent amirite). Even then it can be handwaved as a feature of the new Rotomdex since it would presumably be able to glean more about its own kind than your average machine (though that feature does work before you get the 'dex according to the E3 coverage).

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>>26756359
People will be playing pokemon for years. All the people who grew up playing pokemon will pass it on to their kids, and so forth.

>>26757382
>implying I'll pass this trash onto my kid

Pokemon has literally become the participation trophy of vidya. I want him to actually be challenged, not have his handheld through vidya.

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>>26757396
Your family will be playing pokemon for 10 generations you little shit.

>>26757324
>Being afraid of seeming "not normal" is fucking dumb.

There's a difference between liking something you aren't the target demographic of, and liking something that you yourself think is for babies.

Just compare something like Adventure Time (which you don't have to like), a show aimed at kids but with nods and jokes aimed toward older fans, and My Little Pony. If you don't think they're a difference between liking the former and liking the latter I'd have to assume you were actually a fan of the latter.

>>26757353
>using the battle maison as a defense of anything
Stop shitposting.

>>26757366
There sadly are kids who give up immediately if they don't instantly win nowadays. I certainly don't think every kid is like that, there have to be kids out there that can enjoy more challenging games, but sadly there is a marketable percentage of spoiled little bitches who need shit like the Super Guide in modern Mario games if they aren't going to ragequit and go back to their smartphones.

>>26757259
If the whole type effective thing only popped up after you caught the Pokemon then the system wouldn't be so bad.

its a game for children you mong. if you want hard play something for adults.

>>26757424
Ok, you're not an idiot at all.
It's never been a challenge, the only challenges presented in previous gens were marginal and based on time wasting experience grinding for each pokemon. I think you're the spoiled one here, you're acting like your ideals are the right ones when you're not entitled to anything because you're not any part of GF's devs.

Oh no the game lets us get exp faster, oh noooo... Please get something real to bitch about autsimo.

Pro tip: it is a children's game, the actual demographic is 12 and under. The only challenge you had in the game at the same age was your down syndrome.

>>26756305
Then why did you ever play Pokemon, every game has been absolutely piss easy you stupid faggot.

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>>26757664
>the only challenges presented in previous gens were marginal and based on time wasting experience grinding for each pokemon


>>>>needing to grind at Pokémon

>>26756439
holy shit, are you me?

It's not really casualizing, you still gotta see the pokemon beforehand before you can see what is effective and what is not.

Similar to classics like Persona 3 which are not that easy.

Also Pokemon has always been easy, you people just been getting better.
Heck i'm having easier time in Yellow than what i had on my Alpha Sapphire run without using EXP.Share, i'm serious.

>>26756359
>Kids these days don't even play fucking pokemon.
Is this a meme I wasn't aware of? Where I live, if there's a kid using a 3DS, 9 times out of 10 they're playing some version of Pokemon

The 12 year-old squeakers do not play FPS out of challenge, and if you notice, they're all awful at those games.

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>>26757755
>if there's a kid using a 3DS

Something that never happens anymore?

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>>26757694
Ok, you make a comment like that but it actually supports what I just said. You didn't need to grind, but literally leveling one specific pokemon to a reasonable level to beat a gym is still time wasting grinding. So there was no challenge to begin with and you're complaining there is no challenge now. Anon, 0x20 is still 0.

Thx for proving that the only challenge you faced in previous gens was your downs.

>>26756315
So shit like pokemon with only 2 moves in the fucking pokemon league is for true hardcore gamers am I right? Also I remember a pokemon center outside two fucking caves.

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>>26757845
>literally leveling one specific pokemon to a reasonable level to beat a gym is still time wasting grinding

>>>>>>>>needing to grind at Pokémon

>>26757694
Also why do you care about other people not having a challenge to face? What does it do to you? Why do you care so much that someone else has a preference to not want to struggle with the STORYline. It has nothing to do with your own experience, you're like what? 30 probably? And you're bitching that a pokemon game has no difficulty or that it has to be difficult even though it's not even a game made for people your age anyway?

If kids dont want a challenge then fuck, youre going to be dead one day anyway. Why the hell do you care if the younger generation aren't challenged? Maybe you need some time away from pokemon anon. I think its time for you to stop posting on vp too. If you're not going to appreciate a pokemon game for its simplicity and casualness like it has always been then I think you need to take a break to relax your Autismuscles.

The dex telling you what is super effective really wont effect anything. Considering most kids put 3 fire moves and fly on their Charizard, the new feature might actually encourage kids to learn that having the same type of move doesn't do them any good rather then just power through the game with flamethrower.

I feel most kids just ignore typings except for the really basic ones. I know as a kid my Ampharos had 3 electric moves and Strength. I didnt really understand that it was a bad thing because it ended up working for me.

The attack screen showing them whats effective and whats not effective will help them learn the type charts and how to properly build a pokemons move set to be as diverse as possible. They might even try and look into eggmoves to see what other options are available and heck try learning to breed.

The only handholding I have felt was iffy was exp share update, and even then its only because its introduced right at the start. For raising multiple mons, its a wonderful tool, and so is this new battle screen.

If your going to complain about anything, try the overall difficulty of the games themselves. It may be meant for kids, but that really doesnt mean it cant be harder. It may frustrate them, but victory is all that much sweeter when you win by a nose, not a mile.

>>26757893
someone is obviously butthurt, your content is getting weak anon. Must suck to be inferior and backed into a corner. Then again you don't understand that kind of thing due to your autismind.

>>26757885
>with only 2 moves in the fucking pokemon league
where are the proofs

>>26757885
"hardcore gamers"
again, its a children's game. I don't think any 8 year old considers themselves a hardcore gamer unless theyre delusional liars.

if you think youre a hardcore gamer at this age by playing pokemon in any gen or form then... Not even as a joke maybe you really are autistic.

>>26757927
>>26757955
Anon, you said you have to grind at POKéMON. That you have to grind at Pokémon means you think Pokémon is actually too hard for you if you don't grind. That is why I'm greentexting at you, because you're calling other people inferior babies but you have to grind at fucking POKéMON.

>>26758018
I never said anyone had to grind, I said that it was objectively a choice everyone had. Catching multiple pokemon is still also grinding if you need them to beat a gym. From what you're saying you go through the game with one single pokemon, which is basically what EVERYBODY did in all gens (especially as kids) and ALL of that experience that went into that one pokemon was from the encounters you naturally face.

So again, what difference is there now compared to them? Your pokemon are all in sync with levels? Because that's going to change the fact that we could always destroy 100% of trainers in the game with one single pokemon? Again, 0x20 is 0 anon. if there was 0 challenge and we had 1 pokemon leveled then that's still 0x1. If we had 6 pokemon leveled then it's stil 0x6. Children and adults will all be able to win with one single pokemon either way, so how is there any hand holding with the exp share etc when we don't even need to swtich to win?

Thx again autismo.

>>26758100
Can you try to rephrase that in English?

>>26758100
*Switch OR grind to win

Also Im not the one who said I was grinding, moron. >>26756479 This is the guy who said they were. kys. We're not the same person, but you wouldnt understand that due to your social retardation, isnt that right, autismo?

>>26758113
Catching more pokemon to deal with a gym = grinding exp to deal with a gym

We could always beat everything with 1 pokemon leveled through story-progressive trainer encounters. Making the game have a 0x challenge multiplier since gen 1, meaning that in gen 6 it wouldn't matter how many pokemon were being leveled because we were always able to deal with every trainer and gym leader etc with a single pokemon. Thus the challenge multiplier remains at 0 still because we don't -need- the other 5 to win.

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>>26756359
>FPS
>challenge

>>26758165
But I admit, it's nice to have the exp share.
You can't always just win with an underleveled starter pokemon anon, there is actual math to this so it's impossible to say there's skill to doing it when you literally can't. What you're saying to me is that you never ever lost to any trainer or gym leader, and you never ever had to go and gain more pokemon or more exp from anywhere else in the story. You just did it. You beat Green with a single Pikachu at level 45, no items, no other pokemon, no extra exp, no extra levels. You're a fucking retarded delusional liar.

Literally nobody ever grinds in pokemon, cause like I said it's marginal. But to say you never gained exp from alternative ways and won 100% of the time with freshly caught pokemon is just pure bullshit.