Source?

>>26672744
She's quite a looker

homeless pussy

>>26672744
She states it somewhere during her quest.

it also confirmed that the main chars are at least 17 or older

>>26672744
Either Looker says it, the Flare Professor says it, or it's written on one of the books in the Flare HQ during the sidequest.

>>26672744
xerosic says it in close to ending the looker chapter, can't remember when, think its before the last battle with emma
>imb4 no official art

>>26672744
2+ years have passed since XY so you can probably fuck her anyways too bad you can't because she's not real

>>26672805
... source? When exactly?

>>26672819

It is exactly why I need to know her age, to confirm that Calm and Serena have 17 years.

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>>26672865
>>26672744
Found it

>>26673121
Wouldn't it be nice if Bulbapedo fucking sourced their claims properly?

>>26673121
I love you

>>26672992
>to confirm that Calm and Serena have 17 years.
how exactly?

>>26673204
its mentioned that emma its a year younger than the protagonist

good luck with this one, it happens during the chapter after you meet her, so cant check it after its done

>>26673396
>BW2 takes place around the same time/year of X/Y
>Serena and Calem are officially older than Hilbert and Hilda
Fuck.

>>26673396
I still haven't played through the Looker episode. How long does it take?

>>26673527
Maybe an hour or two. There's two or three "parts" to it, IIRC.

It's not very long but very well written in my opinion, especially for a Pokemon game.

>>26673396
shit i need these

>>26673467
No, they'd be the same age right?

>>26673584
14 + 2 = 16, anon.

If they were 16 like originally planned, they'd be older.

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>>26673653
Did we ever get the ages of Hilbert and Hilda? And where? Where did they say they planned to have them be 16?

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Ok fuck, so if calem/serena are 17 then how old is shauna... Guys?!

>>26673653
I dont think any ages have been confirmed outside XY though.

People just call the first few gens 10 year olds because ashnime

>>26673550
IIRC, there are like 5 parts and a Finale. I liked them as well

>>26673777
old enough

>>26673819
Red is 11 and May and Brendan are 12, all confirmed in their respective games/manuals. The rest are unstated.

>>26673819
>>26673718
>In the May 2010 volume of CoroCoro Comics, it was stated that Hilda and Hilbert are older than previous player characters, but it is not known how much older they are.

>According to game scenario author Toshinobu Matsumiya, Hilda and Hilbert were initially visualized to be at the age of 16.[1]

>According to an interview in Famitsu, Hilda and Hilbert were identified as about 14 years old.

>>26673886
Are you quoting Bulbapedo? Their translators aren't exactly known for knowing nip

>>26673908
>I don't like the source. That information is lies.

Also it doesn't take much to understand the character for "age" or "years old." I don't know much nip either, but I recognize "才" and "歳" when I see them.

>>26673870
>Red is 11
Source?

>>26674004
Bulbapedo also said that CoroCoro called Mega Beedrill Dragon/Poison and Mega Pidgeot Flying/Electric. They know literally nothing about the Japanese language.

>>26673777
I would guess 14 or 15

>>26674004
They were making a huge deal about having "calculated Ash's birthday based on information given in a novel" a month ago.
Turned out the information they were going off was a mistranslation.

>>26674023
He just said it's in the game's manual right in the same fucking post, you dumbass.

>>26674028
Why do people find the same 3 mess ups for Serebii and Bulbapedia and discredit the whole website?

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>>26674023
Will never tire of posting this.

>>26674051
>the same 3
Hundreds have been posted in several different threads. Just because you're too new to have seen them doesn't mean they haven't been referred to.

>>26674057
Non canon. Manuals are wtitten by interns. The way this is written, you can tell that they didn't put much thought into it.

>>26674223
>Non canon. Manuals are wtitten by interns

Serious citations needed.

>>26672744
THAT'S NOT FUCKING LEGAL WHETE I FUCKING LIVE SHE NEEDS TO BE FUCKING 17

>>26674057
you are awesome

>>26674223
wtitten

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>>26674223
>Manuals are written by interns.
So where's your source for that information, kiddo?

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>>26674223
source?

>>26673396
Just got done with chapter 3. This didn't happen, maybe it's on next chapter?

>>26674277
Very funny.
>>26674234
>>26674287
>>26674292
Looking for the article now but Iwata said it in his Iwata asks thing.

>>26673396
>its mentioned that emma its a year younger than the protagonist
No it isn't the only thing that suggests them being older is Espurr not liking adults and that places them at 17+

>>26674251
Move to a place that's less pleb tier, faggot.

>>26674526
Plus she refers to the protagonist as Ms. or Mr..

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Sleep snug Emmers

>>26674968
Sleep snug Emmers

>>26674070
>hundreds

You mean probably 20 between both sites? Dont overuse the word newfag to make your argument better

>>26674223
People will do anything to continue thier headcannon.

This is worse than the guy who said the guy who worked on XY that said it goes on at the same time as BW2 is non canon

Game protag character was always older.
they make them young for the anime. BW is basically a coming of age story, at least in the Japanese version it was

>>26676836

>This is worse than the guy who said the guy who worked on XY that said it goes on at the same time as BW2 is non canon

wat

>>26677284
Anon serious flubbed it.

There was a timeline posted on the twitter of an XY dev some time back. It showed XY and BW2 taking place at the same time. Some fans don't consider it canon. Their reasoning was that the person who posted, who worked on XY, was just one dude and couldn't possibly be revealing true "canon" information.

>>26677423

That's all a bit silly

Why not consider it Canon especially if there's nothing that contradicts it

>>26677284
There was one GF guy that tweeted a timeline, which has since been deleted.

And obviously there are some tinfoil retards at /vp/ saying GF's words are non-canon.

>>26677451
>which has since been deleted
Oh yeah, forgot that when posting this: >>26677423

That sort of thing probably feeds that kind of tinfoil retardation.

>>26677423
No "at the same time." They can occur in close moments of time, but does not have to be at the same time.

>>26673154
I think the idea is that if anything is mentioned in the games themselves it doesn't need a source. But it sure makes fact checking awful.

I'm still trying to find the source for Oak being 47 during the time of gen I. Rowan is 60 and apparently somewhere in gen IV it is said that Oak is 10 years younger than him, but I can't find the exact quote.

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>>26677499
?

I don't really understand what you're getting at here. Sure, yeah, they don't HAVE to be at "exactly" the same time, none of the games are related closely enough to say that for sure. But the ones that occur together are meant to occur roughly at the same time. At least from the overall perspective of the timeline. The point of the post was more just to say people were disagreeing with pic related saying XY and BW2 are occuring together like RSE & FRLG and DPPt & HGSS, for one reason or another. I don't actually recall what their complaints were about it.

>>26677630
>none of the games are related closely enough to say that for sure
Not entirely true either,r since the very beginning of Pearl happens around the time the Rockets in Johto are shut down for the final time, and Lance cleans up the Lake of Rage. This is explicitly mentioned

>>26677630
>>26657658
You do realise this tweet was made before ORAS was finished and was only made by a single employee right?
Employees aren't exempt from making headcanons.

That said ORAS outright confirms that at least two different timelines exist and before you go on about "ZINNA WAS JUST SPECULATING!" she was speculating about sending the meteor to the other timeline rather than the fact that it exists.
For that she outright says he clan observed the other reality for generations.

Basically the timeline is

FRLG/RS > HGSS > DP very shortly after HGSS mind you > BW > BW2

And in the other timeline
ORAS > XY and the mega timeline counterparts of the ones not mentioned.

>>26657658
>a deleted tweet from years ago proves my headcannon
fuck off

^ the above were the replies to it

>>26677653
I was more trying to coach my terms I wasn't certain if the anon was beginning to lose their shit over XY and BW2 taking place "at the same time." DPPt having the news story about Red Gyarados makes them contemporaneous, but not necessarily the exact same time, in terms of game plot and progression. It also doesn't matter; them happening at the exact same time has never been the point here.

We were dancing around the issue because people like this >>26677675 show up and try to shit on other people for having "head canons" and even accusing the devs of having head canons while arguing for their own. The simple truth is we don't know what the "real" timeline is, and everyone getting all bitchy and ignoring this or that isn't going to get anyone anywhere. The entire discussion was started people of the whole "manuals aren't canon, just written by interns" which there's literally no evidence for. Not that the manuals absolutely for certain are true bibles from the devs themselves, but still. It's this bizarre arrogance and the flame wars that erupt over it that's be criticized. Maybe that Dev was making a head canon, but it's a very odd position to say "it's just one guy, the tweet was deleted, obviously it was just his personal head canon and should be ignored" without literally any other evidence for why we should believe that.

What we do know is that ORAS are remakes of RS, so they would logically take place during the equivalent RGBY/FRLG thing in the "mega" time line. Same for all the other games. We in fact know a few things from those games are "still around" in some form, even if you were silly enough to think GF would have a Pokemon world where the original games never existed in any form. The only thing people seem to get snippy about is BW2 and XY taking place at the "same time," probably because it originates from that tweet.

>>26672992
> Calem and Serena have 17 years
>yet they have the most childish rivals in the games
I dont know how feel about that

>>26672744
is a fucking espurr

>>26678394
The "manuals written by interns" quote I believe comes from an interview with the translator of Metal Gear Solid 1, and refers to the fact that the English manual of Metal Gear 1 for the NES had a complete bullshit story that had nothing to do with the game itself and actively contradicted shit that happened in it.
But he was talking about English manuals from the NES era. The manual for Pokemon Red and Blue is much more recent and is translated from the Japanese one.

Is this worse than the LoZ timeline?

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Red is 11, according to the Guidebook.

May/Brendan are stated as being 12 in OR/AS.

Dawn/Lucas/Ethan/Lyra are never specified, but they're likely 11-12 like the others.

Gen 5 was the only time they ever said they had older protagonists. Their ages are never specified In-Game, but the Manga has Hilda/Hilbert at 16, and Rosa/Nate at 14.

Calem and Serena are likely at the same age Rosa/Nate are at. At MOST I would agree they were 16, due to Emma also being 16. No way they're older than that.

But according to one of the old Anime writers, the characters are considered adults, with adult responsibilities and rights, as soon as they leave for their journeys. So they're all legal fám, go nuts.

>>26681343
ok i kekd a lot, good one

>>26681332
>manga
>anime

get out

>>26677675
For fuck sakes, not you again

>>26677675
You're overcomplicating this shit.

The """"""Mega-Timeline"""""" is just a soft reboot that adds Mega and Fairy Pokémon from the start. Everything else in the other games still happened the same as ever.

Like when FR/LG replaced R/B/Y, and soft-rebooted stuff like Typing. And HG/SS replacing G/S/C and including the newer evolutions, and Phy/Spe Split.

It's still;

FR/LG = OR/AS -> Three years -> HG/SS -> Very short amount of time -> Platinum -> Unknown amount of time -> B/W -> Two years -> B2/W2 = X/Y

X/Y and OR/AS still treat the other games as though they've happened, with literally dozens of references to them.

Soft reboots are not uncommon anon, especially in Pokémon. Happens literally every time an updated version/remake happens, and "multiverse" has been the explanation since B/W.

So stop thinking of it as split timelines, because Game Freak is never EVER going to make that distinction in their upcoming games.

>>26681332
I recall Hilda/Hilbert being said to be 16 before the games even came out, a little after that older protagonists thing too, and not in the mango.

Rosa/Nate are definitely 14-16 as well and Calem/Serena are likely 14-16 too due to the ages of others.

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>all that Emma porn with dudes fucking her in her suit

>>26681372
The anime thing was just for the sake of a joke. The manga thing was because it's literally the only time we got ages for those characters aside from "older".

I think the ages I listed are pretty much all accurate based on the info we have been given for them.

>>26681426
Except alternate universe/timelines has already become an established thing.

You have this.

>Red Timeline
FR/LG/R/S/E->(3 years later)HG/SS/D/P/Pt->(5+ years later)->B/W->(2 years later)->BW2

>No Red Timeline
X/Y/ORAS

That's how it goes. One timeline Red exists and the other he does not. Megas and Fairies also exist in the timeline where Red does not. Simple as that, at least as of right now that's the easiest way to call the separation.

>>26681459
Matsumiya originally said they were made to be 16, but later on we got Famitsu which called them 14. I'm inclined to believe Matsumiya and say they're 16.

>>26681475
What the fuck?

How have you managed to convince yourself that Red doesn't exist anymore? You think they would just do that? Retcon entire games and characters from the franchises history?

They even had the Origins special, showing Red go through his FR/LG adventure, and then learning about Mega Evolution, to show you that it all still happened, just Mega's exist from the beginning now.

Where the hell did "Red doesn't exist" come from?

>>26681495
I know Manga isn't canon, but they kept Hilda/Hilbert at 16, so they seem to believe Matsumiya too. That's what I am sticking with.

>>26681502
I didn't say Red didn't exist, I stated that that one would be a timeline where there is Red as of right now, which is the truth. Gen 6 is the only Gen with absolutely no cameo or mention of Red in any way, it's also conveniently the only Gen where Megas/Fairies exist and the idea of an alternate universe/timeline has cropped up.

I'm sure Red exists and hasn't just made a cameo yet, but it's a good way to call that timeline, you can also call it Mega Timeline or Fairy Timeline or whatever, it's all accurate.

>>26681537
You seem to be under the assumption that the other games never happened though, which is just wrong.

When Gen 4 came out, it didn't retcon 1-3 just because of the Phy/Spe split.

When Gen 2 added Dark/Steel, did that mean Gen 1 stopped existing in the same timeline?

Don't be silly anon. It's just retcons.

All the other games still happened. We just now know that Mega Pokemon have always existed, and weren't "new" in X/Y. Shouldn't be too hard to understand famalam.

>>26681578
It's safe to assume that though considering the massive differences in events and things that are playing out and an alternate universe/timeline being brought up by quite a few characters.

In the other remakes motivations and things never really changed much, sure there were new things in places obviously, but they were still ultimately the same game, ORAS however gets vastly different in places to the point you begin to wonder "Is this actually different than what we've known before?"

Even if we're under the assumption that it's not, there for sure are alternate universe/timelines, that much is confirmed, so now you're unsure of where things actually fit. Such as Gen 5, could that be it's own due to Red's age despite being so many years later? Possible, in all likelihood it's just GameFreak's lazy asses and not wanting to make new sprites for Red/Blue/etc. But still, it's an odd concept that had no real reason to pop up unless there wasn't an intended reasoning for it.

>>26672966
It's in the fat science guy's notes.

>>26674968
Sleep snug Emmers

>>26681626
I think the PWT thing was just Game Freak not bothering to make new sprites. I also don't think Gen 5 is supposed to take place as far ahead as everyone seems to think. I've seen people claim that B/W is like, 5-10 years after Platinum, which is ridiculous, it's likely more 2-3.

So most of the PWT sprites are probably what the characters still look like. Liza/Tate, and a few of the other younger ones, should maybe have been aged up a bit, but ehh.

As for this;

>the massive differences in events and things that are playing out and an alternate universe/timeline being brought up by quite a few characters.

Absolutely. I'm not trying to say that the alternate timelines thing is non-existant. It's basically proven in the games. Zinnia retardedly (but technically correctly) references R/S/E, as a Hoenn without Mega Evolution. The thing is, things are not nearly as different as you say. R/S/E and OR/AS still slot into the exact same place in the timeline. Just in OR/AS's universe, Mega's exist in the timeline. I think, until there are explicit changes to events listed, or future remakes make big changes, then there is no reason to exclude the other games. OR/AS and X/Y still fit into the established timeline.

So if you absolutely MUST make a specification between the different universes, then it would look more like this;

>Old Timeline:
G1 = G3 -> G2 -> G4 -> BW -> B2W2

>Current Timeline:
G1* = OR/AS -> G2* -> G4* -> BW* -> B2W2* = XY

*Mega and Fairy types exist, and any remakes will reflect that, but the games are effectively unchanged.

The timeline is unchanged, just soft-retconned to add Mega Pokemon in. There's tons of dialogue in X/Y about Plasma (due to the games being set while Plasma is still at large, which was confirmed by one of the developers in that now-deleted tweet) and various characters and events from across the franchise.

>>26677675
>fuck off
aaaaw~. Soes fictional canon get you worked up, little nerd boy?

>>26681726
The reasoning people say Gen 5 is at least 4-5 years after Gen 2/4 is because there is an NPC that used to be part of Team Rocket that talks about Johto or something and now he has a kid, who seems to be able to talk quite well and if I recall we haven't seen a kid younger than pre-school at the very least.

I mean even if it was 1-2 years later, Red/Blue would be 15-16 years old, their sprites should definitely be changed, but as you said, just GameFreak being lazy.

And I could agree with that timeline, but there could also be a lot of potential timelines that could happen.

For instance we could have 4 timelines too.

G1/G3->G2/G4->G5->G6

G1Remakes/G3->G2Remakes/G4->G5->G6

G1/G3Remakes->G2/G4->G5->G6

G1Remakes/G3Remakes->G2Remakes/G4->G5->G6

Honestly, it's a mess that I wish they hadn't bothered introducing and remakes just utterly overwrote previously entries. There are just so many potentialities that it's just odd and silly anymore. Even with references to other things we have no idea of knowing which timeline it is. Plasma in XY for instance could be Timeline C but the Gen 5 games could be Timeline F. It's too much for a children's game.

>>26681805
I've always been under the understanding that the most recent version (IE Platinum, Remakes, ect) are the ones that should be considered Canon to the current timeline.

The multiverse stuff in OR/AS just felt like a nod to the older games. I honestly don't believe the intention was to make people think everything without Mega Evolution wasn't canon to the current games. I think that was an oversight on Game Freak. They underestimated the autism of the fanbase.

>>26681805
>G1/G3Remakes->G2/G4->G5->G6
Whut? Is this because you can bank mons from the VC games to SM?

>>26681825
Well I think it's personally less about autism and the fact that as you said, they honestly didn't think it through. Stuff like that opens up a huge bag of shit in any video game to where it just starts becoming a mess as people try to figure it out properly. GameFreak should have known with how Zelda got handled, granted that had legit time travel and is still a mess due to paradox loops in Skyward Sword that break it, Oracle of Ages, and all the potentialities of "A Link dies", that it's just a mess and they don't want to deal with it further.

I'm sure they want to stay away from that, but they've already opened the gates a little.
>>26681836
No, just a possibility that could exist, there are tons of them like that honestly. Though if GF wanted to, that would likely be the reasoning. Nah VC games are just for certain Pokemon to be gotten easier and for cash.

>>26681825
So from this;

FireRed/LeafGreen* = OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire** -> HeartGold/SoulSilver = Platinum*** -> Black/White**** -> Black2/White2 = XY*****

That is the current timeline of the most recent, and therefore Canon games.

*Origins shows how Fr/Lg exist in a timeline where Mega Pokémon exist, although rare in Kanto, and don't affect or change Fr/Lg at all.
**OR/AS explains Mega's have been here from the start, there are parallel universes where this is not the case.
***Happens very shortly after HG/SS, but near enough at the same time.
****NPC in Opulucid City explains that version differences are just near-identical parallel worlds
*****Has Colress mentioned. Developer confirms game happens around B2/W2, but it's unknown if it's shortly before, or after.

That's pretty much all we know so far, about the Pokémon timeline.