/ptg/ – Pokken Tournament General

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Convince me to ignore tier lists
I'm autistic and can't play if I feel I'm at an inherent disadvantage

>Your main
>Your main if all Pokemon were playable
>Gimmick you'd add to/remove from the game

>>26516631
It's impossible. You'll feel it in your bones when fighting against the bullshit characters, unless you're also using them.

>>26516631
I'd say Pokken is one of the few games that lets you play whatever you want and win, more or less. Being low tier in Pokken doesn't mean a character is a bad or unplayable, it's just simply not the best.

>>26516643
>Your main
Suicune
>Your main if all Pokemon were playable
honestly probably still Suicune, but I'd definitely give Swampert or Lopunny a go, if they were playable
>Gimmick you'd add to/remove from the game
Stage hazards / stage destruction. Just a fun option for couch players. Would be turned off by default for ranked matches of course.

The only thing I'd remove are probably the skill points. I don't understand what was the point in making them affect the online matches in the first place.

>>26516643
>Gardevoir
>Still Gardevoir but I would drop Gengar and start maining Golurk
>Add Amiibo training like in smash (Pokken amiibos), remove Counter's "Vulnerability" frames

>>26516897
this is the case in 90% of games and games where a low tier character is impossible to win with is by definition broken and garbage

>>26516613
dlc where

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>>26516643
>Your main
Pic related

>Your main if all Pokemon were playable
probably still braixen, but, maybe Delphox or Scrafty.

>Gimmick you'd add to/remove from the game
I really don't know how scaling should be handled, but sometimes it really hurts, maybe it should only be applied when connecting a burst attack or after reaching a certain combo.

>>26517250
What even is "damage scaling" in this game?

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>>26517180
>falling for stale bait

>>26517281
Damage output greatly decreases the longer the combo.

>>26517170
So smash?

>>26516613
Dont play with my feelings like that, pokken would be greatly benefited if they add some dlc

>no tournament this week

>>26516613

>DLC confirmed edition

Where?

Don't lie to me

>>26518286
>reading the thread

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>all this DLC thirst

GIVE ME FOUR MORE

OR GIVE ME DEATH

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>>26517180
What are you talking about? They're obviously building up a content-packed sequel instead of just releasing tiny DLC's. Everything will be great! *cries uncontrollably*

>>26518347
Okay.
>Riolu
>Ash-Greninja
>Ditto
>Light Mewtwo

>>26518397
>Light Mewtwo
>not Shining Lucario

>>26518416
No, he's unlocked by buying the two new Lucario Amiibos.

>>26516643
>Pikachu (Libre secondary)
>Porygon-Z (Zoroark secondary)
>Shadow Mewtwo

>>26518416
>Not Proud of its Power Lucario

>Gengar OP has shitposting in it
It's exactly how Gengar would want it

>>26516643
>your main
Chandelure and garchomp
>main if all pokemon were playable
Cacturne and maybe rampardos
>gimmick
I can't think of anything, amiibo features like in Sm4sh would be cool though.

>Chandelure
>Meowstic
>easier dodging mechanic, like, ya know a BUTTON.

>DLC Confirmed Edition!

Where?!

>>26516643
>Gengar
>Maractus
>Just remake the game in the Soul Calibur V engine, goddamn

>>26519083
Second.

>>26519083
Seconded

>>26519372
Anon, you gotta be third.

>>26517360
>this
I haven't played Pokken, but I seriously hope it's not like this >>26517170

>it's a "counter-attack cancel doesn't do anything against zoners and you'll never get in" episode

>>26516643
>Your main
Weavile
>Your main if all Pokemon were playable
Still Weavile
>Gimmick you'd add to/remove from the game
Mewtwo :^)
But seriously, amiibo figures for all the characters on which your trainer data and the amiibo-matching pokémon's skill levels are saved. You could fight against that amiibo, a bit like Smash.

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>>26519502
>it's a "get grabbed by Chandelure/Sceptile's command grab while attacking" episode

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Gardevoir is best
Try to argue otherwise

>>26520474
>it's a your counter attack gets beat by a weak normal episode

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>>26516613
>DLC Confirmed Edition!
Is this true?

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help i'm falling in love with Braixen
i was 100 percent anti furry before this game and as soon as i started playing Braixen i started to get tingly feelings when I get a burst attack

>>26522356
Its not that serious. Just like what ever the hell you want to just don't be autistic about it.

>>26522356
So...?

Just fap to it, goddamn. It's not a big deal what you jerk it to.

>>26516643
>Braixen
>Tyrantrum or Scrafty
>make skill points have a greater effect in single player and do nothing in multiplayer

>>26522356
What kind of urges do you get, if any, senpai?

I just realized it's Pokkén with the accented e.
That's weird, it's not Tekkén.
You can't just have the two words you're combining mix into each other in the middle, that's unnatural.

>>26522356
>tfw same except Suicune
He's just so majestic in this game, I'd let him knot me anytime

>>26522356
>100% anti furry
>first character he picks is Braixen
Yeah, you're not fooling anyone here familia

>>26516897
Yeah the game is overall fairly balanced, save for a few blatantly bullshit characters. Half of the cast feels like bullshit till you get used to fighting them but after that it comes down to who outplays the other one.

>>26516643
>Main
Garchomp. Blaziken is a sub until I fine tune him a bit.

>Main if all mons were playable
This is a hard one to answer without knowing what they'd play like in-game. But I was thinking about this the other day and I thought Scyther/Scizor might be a fun addition. Don't have a Bug rep yet.

>Gimmick you'd add/remove
I'd probably just remove skill points for online battles. All anyone ever does is pile it all into one stat and it just puts characters who haven't had any time put into them at a disadvantage against people who have run through the entire game with their main.

>>26522613
90% of people don't notice it, I've never seen it spelled with the accent in any reviews, Facebook events etc., just in official sites.

>>26517281
see: >>26517336

Pretty standard fighting game stuff. Mostly to prevent players from stringing together a bunch of strong attacks that would otherwise take off half a life bar or more.

>>26522613
Yeah this is a little odd. I know it's done entirely for style purposes but nobody reads it "Po-kay-en". I do hear "Poe-ken" a lot though. Which... no. It's Pokemon + Tekken. "Pock-en".

I never bother writing it with the accent despite being aware it's there anyway. Saves confusion.

>>26522356
Anon's tingly feelings crisis aside, Braixen is actually pretty fun to play. The potential for Support shenanigans is amazing.

But if I'm going for a Fire-type Standard mon, I'm gonna have to go with Rooster Law. The rush downs are even more fun.

Anyone want to play?

>>26520474
Sceptile's grabs are trash enough as it is.

>>26521971
AKA fighting Libre

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>>26520474
>it's a "exiting synergy mode made you drop your combo and lose a match" episode

Is R. Pika good? I can only play fast characters because idk

>>26516643
>Blaziken
>Greninja or maybe Golurk
>Amiibo stuff

>>26524487
He's as good as you can play him.
>I can only play fast characters
Then pick up Machamp. If anything, it's good for game knowledge.

>>26524487
She's pretty decent in the right hands and generally a simple enough character to get the hang of. Easier to learn than Weavile and Sceptile anyway. Haven't put enough time in with her to give tips though.

>>2652142
I prefer Meowstic, but no argument here.
>inb4 porn

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>>26521427
I can't

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Who do I plaaaaaay
I can't decide

>>26525822
Random or bust.

Alright, so I'm pretty new and I need some hep here:
I feel like often when I block, the enemy can attack faster than I recover, and yet the reverse seldom feels the same for me

Is it all in my head?
Even if I mash sometimes, it often feels true anyways

>>26525791
Sexonded.
>You're missing a 7 there, Anon.
>>26521427 is what he meant.
>(Some weird porn, bro...)

What if we had a zoner
who shat on other zoners

>>26525901
Some attacks are plus on block, meaning that if you block the attack and you and your opponent start mashing at the same time, the opponent will always win. You need to know which attacks are punishable and which aren't if you ever want to git gud at this game.

Here is the frame data for all Pokken characters. Everything marked as light blue in the Blk column is plus on block, attacks between -7 and 0 frames are safe, but anything lower than that can be punished in various ways (refer to the key if you want to know more).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/108awMgIuD21L0d1SQneG9w3KOyzwmWQ8335mkrOmm54/htmlview?pli=1#

>>26526099
My bad, -8 to 0 are the safe attacks.

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>>26526099
I'm gonna study the FUCK out of this
Thanks, senpai

>>26526155
No probs, real thanks should go to whoever made this spreadsheet though

>>26526091
But then what'd shit on it?

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>>26526091
He would be in top 5 best characters in the game apparently

>>26526099
Shit, is this what not-low-level Pokken is? Learning numbers? Fug.

>>26526215
That's literally every fighting game in existence anon. You gotta know your math.

>>26526293
Guess I'm staying a casual scrub forever then.

>>26526297
Just curious, but what's your rank?

>tfw love Gengar but know deep in my heart that he's mediocre now
It haunts me every time I pick him

>>26526555
Just wait till a patch makes him top tier again :^)

>>26526310
Haven't been able to play online yet, wish I could.

>>26526579
Patch when senpai

>>26526583
When the new DLC gets released, of course.

>>26526583
Soon because they need to remove Mewtwo's fire spin infinite.

http://pokkentournament.jp/news/index.html#news1

Who knows whether they nerf or buff any other character.

>>26526580
Cool, I was just wondering how far you can get in this game without knowing any frame data.

>>26526609
I don't intend on ever studying up, so I'll report back here I find myself at a ranking halt.

>>26524726
Yo, I'm trying her out and I really like her
Even if she's not as high tier as Weavile, I think she's a bit cooler ha
9/10 poke

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>>26526913
>weavile
>high tier

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>>26526935
I don't know anything, but that's what people told me

>>26525822
Whoever you like, anon. Do you have any mons in particular you have your eye on?

If you like every single character on the roster then I recommend Lucario or Pikachu as starters. Both have the basic tools to be good without any fancy techniques.

>>26526609
I haven't bothered studying up on frame data and I've gotten as high as C2. Knocked down to C3 after I came back from a break and everyone who kept playing beat me down.

>>26526913
Glad you do, anon! She's definitely a fun character to watch so I can only imagine she's a lot of fun to play as well.

>>26526609
Weavile main. I'm B5 and I've never studied frame data. And I got there pretty quickly, considering how often I play ranked ( as in, very little ). Decided to stop playing it there.

Ranked doesn't mean shit. Between the lag and the fact that it's just Bo1 instead of Bo3, ...

Yeah no. It doesn't mean shit on your personal skill. Frame data knowledge will matter in tourneys.

>>26526155
Not related, but my heart just fucking exploded over that picture.
>Post more.

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>>26527710
>Tfw you will never have a cute Pokemon to shyly grab your hand because it wuvs you.

>main(s)
braixen/gardevoir
>main(s) if playable
hawlucha or scizor
>gimmick(s) I would add or take away
take away counter "vulnerable" frames, add permanent mega single/multiplayer battles(maybe more cheer settings)

>>26526600
If there's one thing the Mewtwos are good for, it's forcing them to patch the game.

ITS HABBENIN
Greninja DLC actually leaked in Nintendo Direct leak.

>>26526215
If you don't want to know the numbers, just know the buttons. You don't need the frame data if you put in the time to know it by practice. That's how I learn, cause numbers throw me off rather than raw presentation or practice.

It's all different forms of learning anon.

>>26526091
I believe his name is chandelure. Although he's bullshit in general.

>>26526958
I personally don't think weavile is high tier. Due to her very weak grab, it's very easy to just hold block and wait, cause guard break doesn't last long enough to do anything meaningful for some dumb reason

>>26528407
>her
Anon, that Weavile is male.

>>26528715
I don't care. I'm here to beat the shit out of them.

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>>26526099
wow
o
w

>>26526609
At some point you'll start to recognize whether a move is punishable or not on your own, so you can get pretty high without it. Like >>26527551 said, it'll only really matter in the highest levels of play where optimization is key.

>>26528233
what leak

>>26529178
>plus on hit
groudon.jpeg
But really all that means is that Garchomp can chain it's attacks pretty easily.

Is there a way to watch the CEO prologue Pokken stuff?

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>Charizard's hitbox for Seismic Toss

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>>26521427
Easy

>>26532384
That and the two Pikas' command grabs make me rage every time.

>>26533663
Libres net range at least makes sense. Pikachus nuzzle is fucking absurd though, and can even catch out of the air.

>Chandelure's and Sceptile's command grabs have fucked up hitboxes and occasionally ignore RPS
>Charizard, Pikachu, and Libre grab in the air
>Mewtwo's is connected to a busted ass barrier so it's always safe
>Gengar and Machamp's are just shit

>>26534819
>Gengar's and machamps are shit

>when gengars gets you a guaranteed follow up throw back into field phase in field phase, and machamp's does almost as much damage as other character's supers

>>26534900
Gengars command grabs is ass and takes tons of baiting and conditioning to set up. The range is deceptively short, and doesn't do enough damage even with the follow-ups to make it worth the risk. Machamps air grab is god like however, but his running grab even gets beat by other grabs, so again that requires conditioning, just far less than gengars.

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>>26535036
>the command grab as Mega Gengar
It's actually worse than his regular grab in every way.

>>26535344
Hitting people with multiple Mega Hypnosis's is hilarious when they assume you'll burst them instead.

>>26535344
>want to do some damage before burst attack, try to get in close for maximum damage and mix up potential
>Blocking everything
>I'll go for his command grab
>does shit for damage and actually pushes them away
>have to put forth effort into getting in all over again before burst runs out

Did I learn fast not to try that shit again. Who fucking thought of that? It's retarded. It makes even firing lasers in their face a more favorable option.

>DLC

what

>>26534819
>Chandelure's and Sceptile's command grabs (...) occasionally ignore RPS
What move were you mashing when they tried to grab you? Chandelure's Hex and Sceptile's Giga Drain have 21 and 25 frames of start up respectively, so if you mashed anything slower than that you'd get hit. There is also input lag to take into consideration if you're not using the Hori pad I guess.

>>26535426
The only thing you can do after Mega Hypnosis is Burst.

And if you can command grab, you should just throw a normal grab instead.

>>26535492
I know that, I'm just saying it's stupid as hell to make his command grab worse than normal. It's especially dumb since the rest get major buffs to theirs.

>>26535490
I've been caught using Ys, Xs, and some Pokemon moves that use projectiles when my attack animation had already started and the hitbox would've hit someone at point blank.

whats the difference between a grab and a command grab

>>26535791
A command grab is any grab that requires a special input.

In most games, the input is harder to do.
In Street Fighter, Zangief's Spinning Piledriver has you make a 360 motion (6248 + Punch) on the stick before inputting a button.

Some games have them be outright madness like Soul Calibur's Ivy's Calamity Symphony (28284666 + grab input)

In Pokken, they are easier than regular grabs generally. Just an A button and the correct direction. Gengar's is just forward+A (6A).

>>26530485
The leak for the content of the Nintendo Direct that's being aired this thursday.

>>26535956
Could you post it here? Or a link to the achived thread, if there is one.

>>26536527
>getting rused

>>26536585
So we now reached a point where anons fake fake leak threads? This is some advanced form of shitposting.

>>26536748
I actually think it's always pretty amusing to behold, but that may be just me.

How OP would it be if you could kill people with Curse?

>have been matched up with suicune master a few times this week.
>haven't been able to take 1 game off of him

>>26538217
Not any more OP than killing people with Overheat.

>>26539660
>all those Suicunes in A and S
JUST ZONE AND CA MY SHIT UP PHAM

>>26539775
This annoys me to no end.

>hang back and get zoned to death
>get in close at the wrong time and take a big hit from Overheat

I've gotten better at avoiding it but still.

>>26539775
To be fair, you can't reuse overheat immediately without a support.

>>26539866
Don't forget
>try to stay in mid range and get grabbed by Hex
What a bullshit character, no wonder the Nips were salty

RPS was a mistake.

>>26539893
True. But I almost always see people pair Chandelure with Cresselia.

>>26540006
Hex is pretty much the reason I never consider mid-range. I know damn well that's what they want me to do.

In most cases I can get in close with Dig with few issues. But mistiming it hurts.

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New player here
Chandelure is letting me beat people I shouldn't be able to beat
Balanced

>>26541146
Zoning is kinda stupid in Pokken since the game is so heavy on RPS and lacks good movement options

>>26541294
Have you ever made a game?

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>>26541358
Who could this be?

>>26540188
Rps is the foundation of competitive games. It's just that some characters in pokken don't have to give any fucks about it, which makes the system shit.

What's the best skill point distribution for each character?

Anyone on the code?

>>26516643
Sceptile
Maybe Greninja? I dunno why the fuck this isn't in the game.
Actual creative and different stages like Smash. Sorta like >>26516975 said, could be "FD" for online matches.

Man, the Mewtwos getting two different staggers for their field phase homing attack is stupid.

>>26543046
Sure. Giveme a minute.

>>26518397
Honestly Ditto might not be a bad thing. Or Zoroark, could take on any Pokemon's appearance, but has it's own moves and once it was hit you'd know it was Zoroark you're fighting.

Ash-Greninja would be Greninja's burst mode.

Riolu and Light Mewtwo are shitty ideas and you should kill yourself for having them.

>>26543069
Because Greninja would just be water Sceptile.

>>26543128
>implying this would be a bad thing

>>26543145
We don't need any more shit pokemon choices after two Mewtwos and two Pikachus

Guess somebody already joined.

>>26542814
Attack and synergy, just max one or the other. Most benefit from synergy, but machamp a couple others get more mileage out of attack. Defense and strategy aren't worthwhile.

>>26543188
Greninja can play entirely different from sceptile. Sceptile is all about traps and set ups, so greninja can just be raw rush down with simple projectiles. Closer to a squishy garchomp really.

>>26543102
>take on any Pokemon's appearance, but has it's own moves and once it was hit you'd know
anon what would that gimmick even accomplish

>>26543399
I think he's thinking of a shinnok/shang type of play where they have all their pokemon moves copied from the opponent but different normals and it's own burst. I think that'd be a neat way to do it, the total opposite of twelve.

>>26543553
what is mewtwo

>>26533234
>generic bipedal fox #343556
>better than based Gardevoir
kek

>>26544928
Both are shit.

>>26516643
>>Your main
Pikachu libre
>>Your main if all Pokemon were
playable
Victini
>>Gimmick you'd add to/remove from the game
Non. Games fine as is

>>26544973
>Games fine as is
Don't lie

>>26544946
You're shit.

Anyone's gonna keep this thread alive once tomorrows news flood the board or should we just wait until things calm down?

>>26546681
I'll be around, but if it get too crazy, it might be best just to remake the thread after the storm.

>>26546681
Is there actually going to be good news?
I need this

>>26546764
News about SM on the official page tomorrow, supposedly because CoroCoro is being canned. It was announced on official Pokemon's twitter (both western and Japanese) so it should be good.

>>26546824
>CoroCoro is being canned
wat de fug

>>26547986
Canned in a sense that it will no longer provide world's first news about the new Pokemon games anymore, the actual magazine will be still coming out.

>>26549593
>it will no longer provide world's first news about the new Pokemon games anymore
That's still pretty surprising, but I guess Pokemon's probably moving to their own digital media now?

>>26549736
More or less yes. One possible explaination is that since the games are getting worldwide releases now and TPCi wants to release the info to everyone at the same time, having CoroCoro ALWAYS leak before they're actually able to do so robs them of website/channel traffic.