/ptg/ – Pokken Tournament General

As requested in the last thread, I have added a poll for people to vote on whether the next general should be made here on /vp/, or on /vg/ instead.

Balance patch when?

>>26445576
When the DLC gets released.

Anyone here playing with the "official" controller? How comfy is it?

hi im new who should i main

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>>26448524

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>>26448524
the only one you need to main

I'm getting this game
No regrets

>>26449344
It's really fun. Tutorial pretty long.
You can still find people playing online.

Why are there two threads?

>>26449399
No idea. But should only stick to one.

>>26449399
I dunno, but this one has more replies, AND a Karp OP, so i guess im staying here.

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I saw the general on /vg/ firdt day but I couldn't buy it. Now that I can buy it apparently nobody gives a fuck about it anymore? I hope EVO hype revives the game somehow

I'm going to buy it for my bro gardevoir anyway

>>26449381
>>26449975
Is it worth buying the game just for online if I suck dick at video games?

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>>26449277
>No Machoke

I'm damn proud of my bro.

>>26450152
>champ is there

>>26450058
Nah, not really. I mean, it's the only thing worth playing in the game, but ranked is fucking garbage and no one ever rematches in friendlies unless you ask for matches here.

Roserade fucking when?

>>26453524
Never. All of her moves are used by Sceptile or Gardevoir.

Which is a shame, because she's more interesting than both of them.

http://www.gamnesia.com/news/the-team-behind-pokken-tournament-is-relieved-to-see-that-players-are-using

>Braixen is the most used character in the Wii U version.

>>26453603
>Which is a shame, because I want to have sex with "her" more than both of them.
Fixed.
Friendly reminder that Roserade is based on Tuxedo Mask and is a masculine Pokemon.

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>>26453756

>>26453721
>was

The game is relatively balanced though.

>>26454066
>Mewtwo
>S. Mewtwo
>Sceptile
>Suicune
Nah

>>26454145
S. Mewtwo is still broken.

Pokemon moves should use more HP. Miracle eye on duel phase needs more lag as well.

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Lel

why does nobody play this game anymore

>>26455103
its bad and the only people that deny this are people that dont play fighting games

>>26455103
Not enough content
Not enough patches to shake up the meta
No dlc announced despite everyone who plays has been clamoring since release.
Not enough community drive, even this general drags along.

>>26453721
>a Wii U version exclusive character ended up being used the most
No shit

It's all Mewtwo's party now anyways

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>>26453603
>All of her moves are used by Sceptile or Gardevoir
That literally doesn't matter.

If they could make 2 fucking Pikachus and 4 Fire types play differently, Roserade would be a piece of cake in comparision.
>mfw they make her play like Ivy from SC2

>>26455103
The online is full of people and the 2ch's Pokken thread is lively as fuck. Maybe it's just one of those games that ends up being popular in Japan but not so much in other regions, like PBR.

>>26445484
>Should the next /ptg/ be posted on /vg/?
At this speed it's going to need serious bumping.
It doesn't even have waifu power to survive on since /vp/ exists.

If I had to vote or a DLC character it's probably be Mawile.

Then I could main Weavile and Mawile.

>>26456303
Are there any pokemon in the game that actually use the same move though?

>>26456284
I thought both version shared the same roster

>>26457573
Charizard and Mewtwo both use fire punch.

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>>26449975
Gardevoir is an honest character
Just dont let them get in

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>>26456570
Scrafty or bust

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>>26458258
Motherfucking THIS

>Head Smash
>Crunch
>Hi Jump Kick
>Dragon Dance
>Swagger

He'd be so rad.

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>>26458565
>able to enhance speed and power at will.

sounds broken.
Although I would finally want to see someone who could finally bash s. mewtwo's stupid face in.

>>26458565
Also, an urban/brakedance moveset would be the fucking shit as well.

Reminds me of loki from bayonetta 2.

>>26458626
Maybe it could work like Sunny Day.

>>26458258
>>26458565
I'd be genuinely surprised if he doesn't get added in DLC/a sequel/other Pokemon fighter.

>>26459222
He's not too popular.

Any Smash players that migrated over to this game? If so, how much better does it feel? No more retarded 1 frame data of lag on every attack in the overpower tiers

>>26459501
Everyone is at an equal level so it's easier to practice. I abandoned competitive smash completely after getting my hand on pokken.

>>26457573
Mewtwo has fire punch, ice punch like Charizard and Weavile

>>26459501
I still play both equally
Because I like both fighting games and smash games
But im a gardefag too so I know zoners get alot of disgusted looks

Will hop on after work to get practice in

>>26459501
>>26459599
same. Smash is so unbalanced. Pokken has more depth desu and way more balanced. Every character is viable, even if some are borderline broken

>>26459599
>>26459674
I really do want to get it, but there's a big problem in my way, and that's the fact that I have no Wii U
Also, the fact that I want a PS4 to get Uncharted 4
And Fallout 4, that's like a little extra deal

>>26456303
>Ivy from SC2
>not SCIV Ivy with the practicalness of SCV Ivy
What are you, some kind of casual?

>>26459599
>Everyone is at an equal level so it's easier to practice.
Don't fucking lie.

>>26459717
I wouldn't recommend buying a Wii U just for this game, especially since the Wii U is pretty much dead. If you can get one super cheap, then that's great, otherwise I'd wait for the NX and see if they port it.

>>26459749
How am I lying? This game is still new, smash's meta will always be more developed.

>>26459777
I'm saying not everyone here is at an equal level.

>>26459749
>the Wii U is pretty much dead
Doesn't change the fact that it's a free games machine currently.

>>26459501
Honestly I could never get into smash but dig this game for some reason. Then again I never played any fighting game competitively, so pretty much all of the finer details like input lag and frame data completely fly over my head.

>>26460036
Smash is a game that requires more precision. You don't have to worry about that too much in pokken.

>>26460048
Eh, depends on your character.

>>26460048
Yeah, it could be that. When I tried the Wii Smash I often had trouble following the action on screen because the gameplay was really fast and the characters way too small. Pokken is much slower in comparision.

>>26460117
Never play Melee

>>26460174
not that Anon, but when I watch Melee, it just looks so stupid, because it's literally just one person going ham on the other, the other person isn't even trying to fight back. And if you get off stage, that's it, because they can just be a little bitch and ledge hog
I'm glad they fixed that

>>26460200
I wanted that back tbhfamilia. That and only being able to air dodge once.

>>26460200
>the other person isn't even trying to fight back
Oh, they're trying. Just failing because Melee is crazy.

I am glad the ledge mechanics are different now.

>>26458213
Braixen, Garchomp and both Mewtwos are exclusive to Wii U version. Although I heard they'll be adding the regular Mewtwo to the arcade version soon.

The arcade version also has only a fraction of avaliable support sets

>>26460239
I think mewtwo already got added, a long with an update.

>>26460222
nah man, make the air dodge last longer, because for some reason, every other character can literally just attack you again if you dodge and they miss, there's no point to dodging if they just hit you again
also Ledge hogging is the cowards way out

>>26460239
That explains why Braixen and the Mewtwos have so much stupid shit.

Even Garchomp seems better than the majority of the cast.

>>26460174
I googled some Melee tournament footage right now... my head hurts

>>26460372
I wonder who's behind this post.

>>26460372
But Braixen and Garchomp are shit. They're some of the few characters that got close to 0 representation in both Dreamhack and Nats. Braixen had like 1 player in German Nationals (and she got disqualified early), and literally no one used Garchomp.

>>26460396
The jews?

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>>26460444
Trips confirm

>Mewtwo has a new infinite
JUST

>>26453603
>she's more interesting than both of them
Sceptile is a forest ninja that rely plants/nature to beat his opponents, and require skills. Gardevoir rely on various projectile that each have their own use for different situation, and despite that she can wrekt you in close range if you're not careful. I don't see how generic plant/flower pokemon #344544 is more interesting.

>>26455103
It's not that it's unpopular, there just isn't much to discuss about. Sm4sh has balance patches, for glory stories/moments, DLC and other shit, Pokken doesn't have a lot of topics to talk about.

>>26460424
disqualified for what?

>>26460667
Sorry, I mean lost. Didn't even make it into top 8 afair

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>>26460654
>we now live an era where multiplayer games that don't get mountains of DLC die off quickly

>>26460644
post it

>>26460644
Mewtwo had an old infinite?

>>26460255
>Ledge hogging is the cowards way out

????????

The point of the game is to keep your opponents off the stage and to knock them out of the boundaries.

>>26460864
I know it started with fire spin, not sure how it worked. This new one worries

>>26460654
What do generals for other fighting games talk about then?

>>26460892
They talk about the game. I assume these other games get more updates and/or there is more discussion topics than Pokken

>>26460882
then do it the mans way by outright attacking them to push them away, not being a baby and removing a feature that's meant to help people, not harm
elitists really need to stop thinking about the win screen and think about being a human

>>26460953
>Being elitists

What does this have to do with elitism? I wasn't even complaining about the fact it was gone, I was just saying what the point of the game is.

>Mans way

There is no mans way. You just play the game. There are people who believe zoning isn't "the mans way" to play even though its a legitimate strategy. In the previous games you could keep people off by hogging the ledge and if you're trying to win then you use all means of getting that win, and just trying to get the win doesn't mean you're not having fun even if you lose.

>>26461008
forgive me if I don't see the fun in not fighting, in a fighting game

>>26461069
Alright, guess we leave it at that then.

>>26460854
>>26460864
I can't find any English videos so this will have to do (watch the whole thing)

http://sp.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28898592?cp_in=wt_srch

The gist of it is - if you're in field phase, get knocked down, and Mewtwo uses Fire Spin on wake up = gg. The only character that can avoid the trap is Sceptile IIRC.

>>26461607
This looks more difficult to perform than the s. mewtwo infinite, so I see no patch coming.

>>26461607
>can't watch without an account
BRAVO
R
A
V
O

>>26461986
I might make a .webm, if I ever find out how to download vids there.

>>26462308
youtube-dl works for almost any site imaginable.

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>>26460255
>make airdodges last longer because I don't know how to use them
>edgehogging is gay don't do it ok
These are some scrub opinions if I've ever seen 'em
The scrub mentality is just overwhelmingly strong

>>26462704
>I don't know how to use them
>clearly states that there wasn't anything wrong with the mechanic itself, but other players being able to simply attack twice thus making air dodge pointless
I'm sure you like to use Parental bond as well

>>26462771
Then you're using them wrong. Are you trying to counterattack straight out of an airdodge or something? Depending on the character matchup that can inadvisable. There are some characters who have very good aerials and can throw them out in rapid succession, but then you should know better than to try and challenge them in the air. Airdodge is kind of a panic button that you can use to avoid getting hit while you retreat and try to get the game back into a more neutral position. It's not always a matter of "ha, I read your attack and airdodged, now I get to press offense".

>>26459749
>I wouldn't recommend buying a Wii U just for this game
I've lost track of how many times I've heard this line.

how do i get better at pokken
every time i go online i get bodied

>>26464690
that's how you should start.
Learn your character a bit more in free training, and learn to adapt.

>>26464690
Pick Mewtwo

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>>26456210
>No dlc announced despite everyone who plays has been clamoring since release.

It's funny. Everyone complains about unnecessary DLC clogging up most games, but when a game arises that can actually benefit greatly from DLC, it sees none of it.

Instead of a greatly expanded roster, i hope Pokken 2 will get more modes and even some Pokemon Stadium-like Minigames. I'm not sure if i'd be interested in POKKEN + 4 CHARACTERS! Having more to do in the game should take priority over roster slots for now. Maybe even go for the DoA route and have more varied, interactable stages that you can use to your advantage.

>>26465729
Pokken 2 needs tournament lobbies or something.

Lobbies in general. Spectating, replays.

Is anyone expecting anything at evo from pokken? I seriously doubt anything new will arise besides tech, but I'm sure someone is more optimistic than me.

>>26465008
>learn to adapt.
Welp.

>>26465729
I hope for a duel phase style Pokemon Smash.
Or a field phase style Pokemon adventure.

>>26467285
>Spectating, replays.
I get the feeling that these are things that don't get a lot of priority until after a game has proven itself successful.

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>Japanese Pokken posters and ads always feature Machamp prominently
>even got his own pokenchi episode
>official twitter handler has Machamp only in its photo
>cucked out of the game cover and nerfed to hell

>>26461986
>not having a Nico account by now
It's free and the site navigation is in English
What are you, some kind of a casual?

Does anyone else find Mewtwo completely boring to watch/play, and Shadow Mewtwo fun and exciting, despite all the similarities between them both?

>>26467610
Honestly the European Nationals already suprised me a lot with how prominent Gardevoir was even though she got shat on so hard at the beginning. I also liked the use of some of the underrated support sets, most notably Togekiss.

If Japanese people attend EVO we're in for some very fun tournament.

>>26467875
It's kind of hard to make it big in the fighting type world ever since Lucario became a thing.

>>26468275
>you can log in with your NNID
what the fug

Are there any other cool custom combos for Suicune besides the ones you practice in Combo Training.

>>26469971
Combo training has pretty shitty combos last time I checked.

Check out DreamHack Austin top 16 on YT for good Suicune combos.

>>26469971
Triple Aurora Beam into the air :^)

Delphox fucking when. Honestly, would've preferred Delphox over Braixen, then Gardevoir wouldn't be able to eat through Delphox's projectiles.

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>>26470421
One disgusting furbait character is one too many.

>>26468420
You know they can if they wanted to. Since its inclusion in pokken and the website they created, it's seen a surge in popularity. Not much but like i said if they really wanted to

>>26459644
Hm, those two moves are pretty similar to their counterparts.

>>26470701
He also has fire spin like braixen and flamethrower like charizard.

>>26457573
Shadow Mewtwo can do Charizard's Flamethrower, Pikachu's Thunder, or Garchomp's Earthquake out of reflect.

>>26468346
I was watching all throughout UK and Germany Nationals because I'm staff and I was really surprised at the balance of characters in general. I don't play a huge amount myself, but I've been told Braixen, Mewtwo and Weavile are the best characters, but I just saw loads of Gardevoir, Shadow Mewtwo, Pikachu-Libre and Blaziken.

Maybe the people at Nationals were just shit compared to online players?

>>26472138
I didn't see it but in the last thread a few anons were saying they were pretty shit except for a blaziken.

100 points in synergy makes it charge 10% faster, or is it just everything about Synergy Burst being 10% stronger?

Both?

>>26468346
Based Ouroboro

>>26468465
Japan actually cares about Nintendo.

>>26474692
I didn't know Nintendo offered their Network as an auth API though, pretty neat.

>>26474783
I think the first time I noticed it was Super Mario Maker when someone actually did a site to provide a better search portal for stages. Until Nintendo released Bookmark.

>>26474184
As far as I can tell it doesn't change how fast it charges, but it makes burst mode much stronger and burst attack stronger. I think it might make it last longer but it's hard to measure.

>>26472138
I'll be happy the day Braixen is confirmed to be top tier.

>>26470528
That means we need to remove everyone except Gengar and Chandelure, since the rest are all really popular with furries.

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bunmpign

>>26468275
hold your horses, weebo

>>26465729
>Pokken 2

I deeply love pokken
But its not going to happen
NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, they just made it because the could, and will not be further interested in secules
;_;

>>26476976
kek

Wonder why anyone hasnt done this yet

>Main
>Rank
>Support sets of your choose
>difficult matchups

i'll start

- Lucario
- A5 (with 800+ battles or so)
- Lately i have been using espeon/umbreon. For someone like lucario, i feel those very fitting.
- Idk why but machamps really gives me a lot of problems. And the Fucking Chandelures, the rounds will last whatever they want.

>>26477675
Something similar was done with best/worst match ups, I'll contribute.

>Braixen

>B3
1060 battles or so

>Cubone
Can deal some good damage from comboing off of it, charges fast and Braixen filling up support quickly helps a lot.

>Gardevoir
Field phase is a pain since she eats all of my projectiles.

>>26477511
They need to work on Tekken X Street Fighter.

>>26477675
Fine fine.

>Gengar
>B5
>Cresselia, sometimes Croagunk. If I ever go back to support cheer, maybe Ninetales
>Most of the cast

>>26477675
>Garde

>C1
ranked is a lot of stress to not learn MUs so I stopped

>Emolga/Fenn
Emo is good for punishing whiffs since all your attacks are already slow. Fenn is an okay get-off-me button that always gets blocked.

>Chandelure
I hate it so much. Laser is super fast probably like 5f or something and able to cancel out of it and repeat and it hits really hard. Chandelure isn't Speed last I checked.

And Overheat is only punishable on 1f so pretty much never.

>grabs that do over 100 damage
Why is this allowed?

>>26479384
Most characters can do that though, at least in one phase. Weavile is the only one I can think of that does less than 100 in both.

>>26479384
>burst mode grabs.

>>26479384
if they do a lot of damage, they're slow as fuck. and vice versa
>can't into basic fighting game mechanics

>>26477675
>Main
Charizard
>Rank
B1, the DC hell (580ish battles)
>Support
I just use Cresselia pretty much, 1 burst per round pretty much with synergy cheer
>Difficult MU
Chandelure so much. Especially online, nigh-impossible against good players to get in when reaction isn't a thing

>>26477511
My worst fear is that the game will end up like Pokemon Conquest. A cool idea that was never expanded upon, all while trash like Ranger and Rumble is allowed to have six trillion sequels.

>>26480545
the truth in this hurts my soul

http://pokkentournament.jp/news/index.html#news1
New patch on its way, removes the Mewtwo infinite.

>>26480507
Sup Mewtwo.

>>26479384
>chandelure hex grab on foe with 2 debuffs deals 240 dmg, change phase and remove debuffs

HOOLY FUCKING shit

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>>26480545
>>26480565
Hurts me too

>>26480773
Gee, i would wish to know fuckin jap

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If you ever get matched with this guy (PuppyHavoc), be sure he doesnt get you on the wall. The fucker will mind game you and will lock you down 'til death with sandstorm grabs and shit
I've been getting matched with him very much lately, and hell he is a pain to beat.
A sincere advice from
>>26477675

just noticed the garchomp fucker is 30+ top of the world

>>26481604
I've gotten matched up with him like 6 times today, beat me the first, and then had really tight matches after that. perfected him twice

>>26481655
also

>50 points for beating him
fucking bullshit.

Which character is the most fun to learn/play?

>>26481864
probably pika libre.

but imo, Braixen

>>26481909
Why Libre? Why Braixen?

>>26481923
Libre is hype to watch.
Braixen is ____ __ ______ cute ___

>>26481666
This.

>beat A4, 2-0, 1000+ battles
>+75 pts
>lose against B5, 1-2, 1500+ battles
> -125/150 pts

By that moment i was B1 and dont even have 900 matches, i dont get this rank system

>>26481179
pseudo-broken piece of shit, yeah

>>26482164
This so fucking hard.
>beat any A or S
>+75-100, extreme cases +125
>Beat a B
>+50
>Lose to a laggy C or just a B
>-200
>End up winning against an A or S
>DC 50% of the time

>>26482436
I instantly DC when I get matched with someone who's a lower rank than me, or if they lag like shit. Winning or losing ain't worth it in those cases.

Just report and move on.

>>26482460
Same but with the laggy. Twice as fast if it's a laggy Chandelure or anything cancerous of that sort

>>26482476
Didn't think I'd find you here
Jk this is exactly where I thought I'd see you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LmpG4Snrhs
Gardevoir is cutest Pokken. Prove me wrong.

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>>26482691
not when pic related exists.

>>26482691
She's boring and looks like an onion

>>26482691
cancer

>there's no RPS for zoning unless you are playing Suicune
Shit game

>>26482950
Chandelure's Hex?

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Chandelier doesn't jump. Chandelier hops.

Seriously, Chandy just can't seem to go high enough to avoid mid attacks. Even at the peak.

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>>26483864
>all projectiles and some melee attacks pierce counter
>can grab you for more damage than a burst attack
>"bwaah bwaah he jumps too low"

>>26483864
That's bullshit, she absolutely can avoid attacks with jumps, and the jumping attacks all have fuckhuge hitboxes. Fuck off.

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>>26483864
>Has 13 moves that can pierce
>Hitboxes are disjointed to fuck

And you're complaining?

>>26483864
>Chandelure player.
>Complaining about her jumps.
>Ignore the fucking tool set she has.

Okay.

>>26483864
You got a swing you fucking scrub and bullshit range on every air attack. You might as well be bitching about mewtwo.

>>26481864
Shadow Mewtwo IMO, since it's high risk hard reward and a very good character at the same time

If you're worried about being called a tier whore then Gengar is something like a budget version of SM2

How should I invest my skill points on Suicune?

>>26484205
Attack or defense. I personally go for defense on zoners.

Synergy is only good for Pikachu, R Pika and SM2 since their synergy meter charges so fast.

Support is 100% useless on everything.

>>26484205
defense and sylveon? Add that to its monstrous HP and you have a tank.

>>26484243
Wow, how could someone be so wrong.

The character that relies on Synergy cheer more than everyone else is Gengar, since his whole gameplan is to get into burst. Synergy cheer is actually useless on characters that charge Synergy fast since they'll EASILY get it every round unless you are playing like trash or if you are greedy and want two in one round, but do you really need two?

Support Cheer is far from useless since it makes several assists actually viable. If you don't feel like you need a synergy boost between rounds to get burst for your character, it's the best cheer.

>>26484382
I like whimsy

>>26484382
>skill points
>support cheers
Are you being retarded on purpose or what?

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>>26484434
I didn't follow the conversation chain all the way back. I saw "Synergy" and "Support" and jumped to a conclusion like a dumbass.

Can you grab Garchomp's Burst on activation?

>>26486626
superarmor on activation a la psystrike, so I'd assume not

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>>26482460
As long you dont dc when they are giving you the final winning blow.

Because FUUUCK
like >>26482436 says
Every fucking time i use Lucario's super/burst attack to finish'em and win the game, 50% of them are Enormous fags who dc in the middle of the animation. Most of them Rank A or S, hell, even rank B fags.

Like this one match i had today with a guy named "Emma_Butterboy", Rank A or S, i dont recall.
but what i did remember is his Shadow mewtwo playing like a BIG spamming pussy and shit. Hell, he even mega evolved twice in the last round, but big mother fucker cant bare to watch he lose.

Worst part is that the guys who DC from ranked games only will get a fucking cheap "poke-gold penalty" AND wont count as a default victory to the other foe who stayed.

I love the game, but WTF with this regulations?

>>26484410
me too,
because start 1st round with 40% Sinergy, and both Supports max is priceless

>>26487175
Man, I wish I played a character that could afford to run a fun cheer like that...

>>26487202
Suicune and braixen are probably the best choices if you want to run those cheers. I'd imagine you can make it work with sceptile too if you rely on a support to push people around to get set ups going.

>blocking until time over

chandelure the best there ever was

>Rank up for S5!
>Suicune
>Suicune
>Suicune
>Suicune
>Suicune
AHAHAHAHAHAHA THANKS JOHN GAME FREAK.

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>>26488066
>my face every time I get grabbed by hex while having an attack hitbox out

>>26488153
Were they mexican

>>26488197
everytime i land hex on a weakened opponent i cum just a bit imagining their rage at a 200 damage full screen grab.

suicune is broken tho pls nerf

>>26488256
Both Suicune and Chandelure need to be toned down.

Mewtwo needs nerfs before both, though.

>>26488267
nah Chandy is strong but balanced, any nerf will put her into the trash. zoners are very finnicky to balance

>>26488267
Nerfing mewtwos barrier seems fine enough. Make it come out slower so he can't get out of pressure for free.

To nerf chandelure, obviously make the laser slower and hex grab less bullshit all around, its fucking dumb that it more often than not grabs out of attacks and jumps.

To nerf shadow mewtwo make his counter piercings much less safe.

To buff weavile make the grabs stronger and make ice punch slightly faster.

That's all the shitty ideas I have.

>>26488494
Ice punch is already good.

everything else I agree with.

>>26488494
>not even fixing Mewtwo's field mode bullshit
>not removing Mewtwo's grab invincibility on the start up of Hyper Beam
>not nerfing the damage of his grab
Anon, you are being too kind to him.

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>>26488197
>get grabbed out of dig

code

>>26488560
>not even fixing Mewtwo's field mode bullshit
Jump nigga, neutral jumping or timing careful forward jumps gets to him fine as long as you watch out for his easy to punish homing attacks
>not removing Mewtwo's grab invincibility on the start up of Hyper Beam
Hyper beam is an attack, why are you grabbing? You can hit him just fine, or jump over him if you're that close. You might as well complain about all beams and all starting attack frames, it's the rule of the rps.
>not nerfing the damage of his grab
His grab damage is fine in field and really slow anyway. In duel it's strong but that means you let him pressure you. In order to keep up pressure safely so his grab is less dangerous, I think nerfing barrier is a fine option, and that means scrub mewtwos will be grabbed far more themselves.

>>26488662
>Jump nigga
>jumping in fire spin
Anon please

>Hyper beam is an attack, why are you grabbing?
>asking why people are grabbing against Mewtwo when 75% of his moves have counter properties
Also
>dash up to Mewtwo and grab after he whiffs a Psystrike
>they throw out hyper beam
>grab completely whiffs despite hands being all over Mewtwo
>eat a shitload of counterhit damage when any other attack would've just broken the grab
There's no reason a fullscreen beam should have complete grab invincibility

>In duel it's strong but that means you let him pressure you.
You can't not get pressured by Mewtwo since you have to respect his moves all the time and pushing buttons will make you eat a Psystrike or Barrier, or a Barrier comboed into Psystrike. With the ability to shut down pressure that hard and force people on the defensive, he shouldn't have a fast as hell grab with 120+ damage

>>26488771
You can't get hit by raw fire spin unless you're down in field, and his infinite is getting patched out. Even online I haven't seen anyone use it, unless it's to trap for a dash in grab.

Again, hyper beam is an attack. Its the rules of the rps, suicune and chandelure do the exact same, just block and get the free grab on recovery.

That's the whole point of my idea of the barrier nerf, it's much harder for him to shake off pressure, so as long as you're on him there's no reason for a grab opportunity to present itself. His only option is fire punch then unless he gets the barrier time perfect. Basically turning it into ryus parry that has to be used sparingly and perfectly in order to get maximum offensive options.

>>26488494
When it comes to Mewtwo and Chandelure I'd honestly rather first fix the hitboxes on some of the moves, most notably grabs. It's ridiculous how many times I got caught by Chandelure's Hex basically by a toenail. Mewtwo's normal grab should not reach that fucking far either, especially when you remember how fast it is and how much damage it does.

And let me not get started on Chandelure's beam. No, not dealing chip on block doesn't make it balanced, Bamco.

If anything, Mewtwo needs buffs.

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>>26489320

>>26489320
you need to work harder on that b8

>burst is going to finish off the game
>They disconnect

Everytime. Is this the meta? I might just start doing it myself.

>>26489320
Enhanced psystrike should deal 320 damage.
And mewtwo should be the only character who exclusively isn't affected by scaling.

>>26491285
Have you no honor?

gardevoir and braixen are male

prove me wrong, give up

>>26491557
them hips don't lie.

>>26489302
Chandelure beam is like 21 frames start up if I land it raw I know you are ass. I start sweating when someone is smart enough to block and walk forward.

>>26492053
not slow enough. should at least have 72 frames on start up.

So I haven't been on /vp/ in ages but remembered you guys the other day while playing some Pokken. Figured I'd check to see if you had a thread going.

So how active is the playerbase here? Active enough that I have a good chance finding someone with the code randomly or not really. Cause I wouldn't mind playing with some people who aren't kids just starting out in friendlies every now and then.

Could play ranked but I'm now facing people who have played 1000s of matches and are using techs I've never seen before I took a break. Plus I seem to either get people a letter grade lower or higher than I am. All but given up on ever breaking back out of C3 at this stage.

>>26493306
>So how active is the playerbase here?

You post in the thread asking someone to get on the code, and there's about 50% chance that someone else is actually on.

>>26493306
There's one or two anons who hop on the code. I can't though cause my connection is terrible, it would be torture.

>>26493319
>>26493335
Not as promising as I'd hoped, but better than nothing. Cheers for the responses. I'll keep an eye on the general I guess.

>>26477675
Alright.

>Garchomp
Massive fan of ground-types so I felt obligated to try him out. Remained fun enough for me to stick with him.

>C3
I was C2 but got screwed over after returning. Something like 320 battles

>Quagsire & Magneton
Quagsire for pressure in most cases. Magneton is mostly just an anti-Zard option. Most importantly I just like these two and think they need more love.

>Machamp, Sceptile
Machamp is the most difficult by far. I never quite know what to do against one and it almost always puts me on tilt. Sceptile hasn't shown up often enough for me to learn the match-up properly so I always panic a bit when one shows up.

Anyone playing or available to right now? B3 Weavile player here.

>>26477675
>Gardevoir
>B5 with 212 games
>Fennekin
>Both mewtwos and Garchomp

I am on the code right now

>>26493936
no you're not

>>26491285

-> >>26487124

>>26489302
>wanting block damage on Chandelure's fast long range and spamable beams

Anon, you are better than this

>>26493562
>garchomp

Learn the gimmick of Sand storm cancel to run stance so you can mind game your foes and use the (X)/strong attack on run stance or just keep the sand grab

>>26494597
>You reply an hour later
No shit he's not on

>>26494741
Well there's a thing I haven't considered. Sounds fun. I'll work on that next time I play the game. Thanks for the tip!

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So does anybody wanna go a couple of matches?

>>26495320
I'm scared of garde, sorry.

>>26495532
I'm not using Garde actually, I'm using Suicune. Just picked her up.

>>26495589
>suicunt
even more cancerous

>>26494741
Sandstorm can't be cancelled and run stance isn't a thing in field phase

>>26495320
So nobody? Alright. Maybe later.

>>26496176
I think anon meant Sand Tomb, the duel phase command grab. At least that's what I interpreted it as.

>>26496318
I was considering hoping on in a bit to mess around with the chomp stuff so I might as well if you're still up for it.

>>26496341
I'll hop on.

>>26496410
Alright. I'll be on soon. Rematch till you're bored I guess!

GGs man, your Garchomp and Blaziken are great. I really need to work on my Suicune.

>>26496777
Cheers, Anon! That really close Pikachu vs Blaziken match was fun. Your Pika is pretty fun in general honestly. Good stuff. I feel like I need to work on my Blaziken's punish game though.

Your Suicune wasn't all that bad either. At the very least more fun to fight over the super spam zoning monsters I see in ranked. But best of luck with refining your technique.

>>26496946
Thanks, anon! And your Blaziken's air game is pretty amazing, its fun to fight Blaziken players like you who know their character and don't just spam Blaze Kick and Brave Bird over and over. Those had to be the most enjoyable matches for me as well.

>BIGBUBBA
>Georgia, United States
>rape my Chandy in corner with Blaziken shenanigans
>anti air his instant air lightning legs with burst attack
>ragequit

someone's sister/cow is getting the hatefucks tonight

How does the counter property on Gengar's Sludge Bomb work? Half the time, it doesn't seem to absorb any hits.

It has counter frames?

To be honest I don't understand how Gengar works at all. Skill levels vary from spamming Shadow Punch to trickster phasing shenanigans I can't react to. One of the most worrying match-ups.

>>26499952
It's very finicky. The counter properties seem to mostly be around his sides. I've noticed that it gets blown up by divekicks often.

>>26500005
Yeah, but it's nothing crazy like Mewtwo's moves.

As for phasing, all you need to know is that if Gengar goes into shadow stealth at all, you can literally do anything and fuck him up since it's not safe at all. He even takes critical grab damage. Gengar's aerial R isn't safe either. Actually, none of Gengar's phasing stuff is safe. He's kinda bad.

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>>26445484
So what am I, as Sceptile, supposed to do against Pikachu Libre? Mean green's antiair game seems really shit and Libre's got that touch of death thing going on where if I don't keep her at bay with perfectly spaced moves the entire game I lose. Is this just a bad matchup or am I missing something?

>>26500149
Use your busted teleport slash that's safe on block and leads into a full combo on hit.

>>26500092
>He even takes critical grab damage.
All the more reason to work on my Sand Tomb cancel game. I'll keep that in mind, thanks!

>Mewtwo counter shenanigans
Ugh. I mean I get Mewtwo is lorewise the most powerful mon on the roster but this shit is ridiculous. I hate Fire Punch on Zard at the best of times but adding a Barrier on top of it does me in every time. I mostly just have to wait for a Mewtwo to get impatient enough to fire off a Hyper Beam and punish it is most cases.

Could probably get in close and grab it out of it but I'm too scared to try most of the time. Mewtwo nerfs when.

Assist buffs when?

>>26500092
I really assumed Gengar was a lot safer in Shadow Stealth
Is he not actually as good as I've been thinking?

Maybe the memories of japs playing him like crazy in arcades are stuck in my mind

>>26500287
>Mewtwo nerfs when.
A new patch is coming soon actually. All we know for now is that it gets rid of Mewtwo's fire spin infinite but maybe they'll sneak in a nerf or two.

>>26500326
He got nerfed to shit and some new characters got introduced down the line that shook up the meta quite a bit.

As it stands Shadow Mewtwo does everything Gengar can except better.

>>26500469
Well, fug
I'm getting the game tomorrow so I hope Weavile is as good as he seems, at least
I'm a hipster and don't want to play Mewtwo or Pikachu desu

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>>26500165
What's the combo I should be using out of the drop slash? I've been going Air X -> Y -> Y -> A jump -> Air down Y -> Forward Y -> Y -> try for a Giga Drain when they land.

>>26500550
Feels like it should be something less complicated than that cause Damage Scaling exists. But I don't play Sceptile so no solid ideas. I recommend just trying out different combos in training to see what links and pay attention to the damage values. When you find the highest one, see if you can get the timing down consistently. Just remember less is often more.

>>26500503
Weavile seems pretty fun. I wanted to main him as my Speed type but I've yet to put the time into him. Has the potential for assist shenanigans (though not to the level Braixen has) and his general mobility is nice.

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>>26500611

>Weavile
>Him

triggered

>>26500611
Yeah I'm aware of the damage scaling believe you me. I wonder if there's any character in this game who gets buttfucked by it harder than Sceptile. Thing about the drop slash is it doesn't chain into much as far as I can see, can't get any popups to go for a quick Leaf Storm. I can stop at A and do A again for Bullet Seed traps but because of the way blocking works in this game it's rarely worthwhile to do so.

>>26500656
He literally is, though, you dumb furfag
Pokemon have had gender differences for years

>>26500656
Weavile has gender differences, anon. The one in Pokken is male.

Sorry to ruin your furfag fantasies.

>>26500667
>>26500669

kygs niggers

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>>26500687
>kys xD
You have to go back.

>>26500550
If you have time take a look at the past broadcasts on QuestionablyAwesomeGaming channel on twitch. It's co-owned by Bim, the best Sceptile player in USA who got his moveset down to perfection. You might learn a thing or two.

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>>26500757
I do like perfection. Couldn't hurt to give it a look.

>>26500656
Look at his ears. Female Weavile have shorter ears, even Nia specified Weavile as male.
The only female fighters are:
Braixen
Gardevoir
Pikachu Libre
Chandelure
Suicune I know Legendaries don't have genders, but Suicune seems Feminine to me while Mewtwo is depicted Masculine and has usually been depicted as a male excluding the BW movie.

>>26502931
Suicune is ambiguous at best, and the fact that it's legendary. You just have some weird fetish bias.

>>26502931
Suicune's masculine as fuck IMO

>>26502948
All the Legendaries are ambiguous arguably due to canon. I just assume Suicune is female because you could argue Mewtwo as a male and because the female fighters are low in count since there are like 11 or 12 males.

>>26502954
Not in my opinion. Although you could probably argue Suicune is though.

Shadow Mewtwo is broken with Cresselia.

Discuss.

>>26503014
>moving alone increases synergy
>high stance ALSO increases synergy by a small amount.
>combine this with cresselia and you could easily fill up your bust gauge at least 3-4 times in one match.

Just ban this fucker already, mewtwo is better anyways.

>>26503041
Don't forget
>Burst and Cresselia restore your HP making the HP loss for using his specials completely irrelevant

>>26503109
AND recover is safe on phase shift.

>>26495589
>Suicune
>her

>>26503465
Suicune seems feminine to me. Especially compared to the Raikou and Entei, in which one of them had a movie acting as a father figure.

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>>26503501

>>26503534
I don't wanna fuck a Suicune. I think Mewtwo is male does that mean I wanna fuck him too?

>>26503568
>your game
I didn't buy it for you. Also, I'm heavily considering selling it since it's so shit

>>26503534
>HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>26497724
Fuck' em hard

>>26496166
>suicunt

Kek

>>26496176
>>26496341

Thanks for the correcion anon,
I really meant Sand tomb grab on duel phase

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>Be B3
>Beat a B4 Pikachu without losing a round
>100 points
>Beat an A2 Suicune without losing a round
>75 points

Alright, how do the points work? Still don't get it.

Good rushdown characters/tips?
I just got this game, and I'm really feeling it but dislike playing zoners in fighters

>>26505579
Who do you want to play?

>>26505751
Goin' with Weavile right and liking it
>So play him
Well, yeah, but I'm obviously just asking opinions on similar styles

>>26505759
Well Weavile is all about pressure with the occasional synergy drain and bait and punish. Closest character to that would be Gengar, I think.

But Weavile is generally considered to be one of the better characters and Gengar one of the worst characters

I keep expecting Nia to step up and be the secret end-game boss.

>>26505941
There was no hope of anything interesting from Pokken's story.

If we couldn't get SC style gameplay, we should've at least got a story on SC's level.

>>26503568
Yes I did

>>26505961
I hope the soul edge doesn't posses another pokemon again, because they broke the dvapara yuga and can't fix things with it again.

>>26506887
I like you, anon

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>These scrubs think they can get away with using zoners in a fighting game
>tfw I body them anyways with oraoraoras and oki grabs

Field phase was a mistake

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Anybody wanna play a couple of matches?

>>26509296
They should've dedicated to full dbz/naruto or tekken. At least in the anime format both characters still had their options, in pokken some characters are fucked in one phase or the other.

>>26509299
>Nobody

Well, tomorrow then I guess.

>Matched up with a guy named Matt
>He's B5 and mains Lucario
>We're on the final round and both of us are on our last bit of HP
>I'm in Synergy burst mode
>He attacks me when I activate burst attack, it connects
>Screen Freezes
>Disconnect

So is this a trend? Why are people doing this shit in friendlies? Who thought it was a good idea to lose gold as a """""penalty""""" for disconnecting?

>>26477675

>Sceptile
>Rank C
>Favorite Supports
-Frogadier
for punishes in Field and extended juggle combos in duel. Really fun choice
-Diglett
I saw a sceptile main use him in tournament to great effect. Use him for wakeup/guard break setups and anti-air.
-Emolga
Not my favorite, but bears mentioning it's a god-tier support for Sceptile because damage, debuff, anti-air, and connects off of giga drain.
>Worst Matchups
None -- I only lose by skill, not matchups with Sceptile.

>>26509610
>>26509299
sorry, it's the anniversary of Splatoon. Everyone's celebrating and playing it right now.

>>26488560
>Sceptile can duck under hyper beam

>>26510300
Every character except for Garchomp and Machamp can duck under Hyper Beam actually

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>>26510466
>chomp
as if they had any reason to make mewtwo an even shittier matchup for him

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>>26508218
Teach me how to deal with Chandelure as Machamp, O' chosen one!

What do people mean when they say "command grab", and what's the difference between command and regular grabs?

>>26513426
Command grabs are grabs that have different inputs than regular grabs. Sceptile's Up A, for example. They typically have different traits than standard grabs, for example Sceptile's Up A only grabs airborne opponents and hits Sceptile with an Attack Down upon completion.

>>26513467
That clears things up, thanks!

>>26503014
I am guilty of using Shadow Mewtwo + Cresselia combo. It just made sense.

Considering I can get Burst with Shadow2 twice in one round sometimes yeah it's a bit broken. Burst grab damage is nuts.

>>26509296
Nah man, phase shifts are one of the things I really like about Pokken. So many matches have been turned around thanks to crucial field-to-duel shifts being snagged when I was behind on HP. It's heaps of fun.

>>26509720
I've only had this happen once or twice in the early stages. Is this a major problem in the states or something?

>>26510466
>>26511248
Worth noting that Chomp can Dig under Hyper Beam if you see it coming though. Keeps you safe and punishes in most cases.

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Just got this game and am having oodles of fun, but give me the straight and narrow here:
How the FUG do I anti-zoner as fire chicken?

I've had such an easier time of things as Weavile

>>26514298
You got to abuse your air dashes and fire kicks.

>>26513756
This has happened to me a couple times, so far from what I've kept track of, two Mewtwos, one S. Mewtwo, one Charizard, and one Lucario. Its pretty aggravating, really.

But anyways who's making a new thread?

>>26516001
Trying. I'll stick with it for now

This game is really fucking hard for new players
Friendlies are people with hundreds of matches, and two thousand for japs

NEW THREAD BOYS
>>26516613