Megapokemon Thread

>>26491148
>Ability: Intimidate
I literally threw up.

moxie instead of intimidate

>>26491148
Keep reckless. It already has inti pre mega. Reckless double edge at that attack 2hkos swarm, or finishes it with CC

>>26491153
>>26491154
>>26491165

Moxie might be better. I wasn't thinking "Make it Excellent" I was thinking "make it realistic". More often than not Megas are given shitty abilities or abilities they already had. Its already a stretch not to asume they'd waste points in spatk

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Make this shit work.

>>26491148
flying/fighting pls fampai

>>26491218
Make it the physical counter part to mega pidgeot?

>>26491218
Agreed we need this

>>26491223
>STAB close combat
>STAB Brave bird
>160 Atk
>Reckless/Moxie

*shudders with anticipation*

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>>26491236
make it happen b0ss

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Since we're discussing mainly birds, I feel like doing this

Mega-Mandibuzz (All mega artwork of her sucked)
Ability-Challenging (Would be the Equivalent of Defiant with Defense)

HP-110
ATK-85 (+20)
DEF-145 (+40)
SPA-55
SPD-125 (+30)
SPE- 90 (+10)

Everything stays the same type/movepool wise, as its already solid. I tried to be alittle realistic, as much as I don't care for the ATK stat increasing, GF would most likely do that.

>>26491218
>Ability
Defiant
>Stats
HP: 65
Attack: 140 (+50)
Defense: 85 (+20)
Sp. Attack: 61
Sp. Defense: 70 (+10)
Speed: 120 (+20)

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We Need Mega-Froslass

>>26491338
I don't know, it sounds wrong. Fearow is the kind to flee when in danger, he bullies smaller Pokemon. Moxie could have been good, beating an opponent increase his confidence or something. But I also feel it's not totaly what suits him best.

>>26491354
How does this sound:

MegaFrosslass
Ability: Glaciate

HP-70
ATK-80
DEF-60 (-10)
SPA-160 (+80)
SPD-60 (-10)
SPE-150 (+40)

>>26491399
Hey now that's an interresting idea.

>>26491413
Why did he delete it? I thought it was ok

Mega Fearow
Pure Flying type(make this shit unique I remember saying this thing can fly for days without landing)
Ability: Sharp Drill (Boosts the power of drill based moves by 50%)
Also drill peck and drill run get a power increase to 100 bp.
HP-85
ATK-146 (+56)
DEF- 80 (+15)
SPA- 31(-30)
SPD- 80 (+19)
SPE- 140 (+40)

>>26491418
>>26491420
Looks like he's back.

>>26491405
But it doesn't have any useful normal moves? What would you give it that could make sense.

>>26491413
Messed up the stats

>>26491428
Good point, maybe snow warning, and we get a hail buff that increases ice damage by 50%

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Mega Weezing

Poison/Fire

Ability:Magic Guard

65/100/120/110/90/105

>>26491431
Hmmm... I don't know about the stats though. You are probably thinking in a very competitive way. I'm thinking more about the Pokemon in itself.
As you said, he can fly for days so making it flying only is a good idea.
Having a drill special ability is also good.
But one of his signature move is also Mirror Move, so having only 31 SPA seems to be a waste.
HP - 85 (+20)
ATK - 125 (+35)
DEF - 80 (+15)
SPA - 100 (+39)
SPD - 80 (+19)
SPE - 130 (+30)

>>26491462
So we're doing "I want this, fuck the Meta" mons?

Mega Rampardos
Ability: Rock head

HP-97
Atk-210 (+45)
def- 80 (+20)
spa-30 (-35)
spd- 70 (+20)
spe-108 (+50)

>>26491236
Access to flying press for added boner?

>>26491486
It's just an anti stall mon.

Can't be burned, can't be toxic'd, and immune to stealth rock damage.

It's not particularly busted unless you're a massive faggot running 6 stallmons.

>>26491494
Double stab....?


>>26491223
I think you're forgetting the top birb

>>26491499
I thought you'd given it levitate, my bad. Last time someone posted that photo, they showed a super op Weezing with about 1 Atk and everything into speed, defenses and Spatk.

>>26491503
>Double stab....?
Hawlucha has it. Why not mega birbs?

>>26491482
Its not really a signiture move and im not opposed to a mixed attacker but at such a low base stats it feels a bit underwhelming.

>>26491499
What's the point of being fire type if it's using magic guard. It's 4x weak to Lando Garchomp and Excadrill the 3 most used mons

>>26491512
...... I'm dumb

>>26491520
Immune to will o wisp, Sableye is a filthy nigger.

The point is it's immune to indirect damage, aka stall.

>>26491526
It's ok. I only remember Hawlucha because of Flying Press.

>>26491405
>>26491354

Technician! Boosted Ominous Winds, Draining Kisses, and Frost Breaths.

>>26491534
I see now it's a physical attacker?

>>26491520
Anti-Stall.

>>26491544
Mixed

>>26491534
Poison/fire is immune to toxic and will o' already. Magic guard would be pretty bad on it

>>26491542
>Frost Breath

60 BP * 1.5 crit * 1.5 tech * 1.5 stab= 202 base power

>>26491560
How is poison immune to a fucking Fire type move?

Magic Guard makes switching less painful now that it's a fire type.

>>26491514
I don't understand why GF don't make a big update for every Mons.
Just look at all those crappy stats some Mons have. It should have come before the Mega. (Mega given to some already OP Pokemon instead of weaker ones, gj).

Since the day I was a child i always associated Fearow with Mirror Move, might be something with an anime episode in gen 1?

>>26491577
Fire Types can't be burned, numbnuts

>>26491563
Holy shit too strong

>>26491577
>Poison/fire
>/fire
>fire

>>26491577
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? MAGIC GUARD LITERALLY PROTECTS AGAINST NOTHING THAT STALL USES THAT YOUR TYPE DOESN'T ALREADY

>>26491563
I realized it's attack is equal to its special attack so you could also bring ice shard.

And it has shockwave so it can naturally boltbeam without wasting hidden power.

She's rad

>>26491586
+ when the gave a boost to mons(even a laughable +10) Fearow got cucked and Pidgeot didn't unlike how other counterparts like butterfree/beedrill and scolipede/leavanny both got the boost.
Fearow is in my top 3 flying types of all time and it pains me too see it age so badly.

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How will this work?

>>26491644
I feel you bro.
I also feel Noctowl. Poor crippled bird.

>>26491462
Just keep levitate

>>26491577
Uh.. Fire types can't be burned you fucking mongoloid. So WoW is useless against fire types.

>>26491462
Magic Guard to avoid burn and poison status, nice. I've always seen Weezing as a mysterious fairy creature haha c:

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mega-dunsparce Normal/Flying
ability:-------- doubles stat gains from moves
HP-100
ATK-90 (+20)
DEF-100(+30)
SPA-70(+5)
SPD-90(+25)
SPE-45

>>26491663
Good news we at least get a new owl after 4 generations. Bad news Noctowl will be forgotten but hopefully not.
Something like this is its only salvation:
Option 1
Mega Noctowl
Ability: Magic guard
HP-100
ATK-50
DEF- 90 (+40)
SPA- 96(+20)
SPD- 136 (+40)
SPE- 70

>>26491758

This abillity + Coil = stop

>>26491758

>Double stat gains

So...the ability Simple?

>>26491647
mega spikey penis
Ability: whiteout-infatuates opponent reguardless of gender on contact

>>26491774
Option 2
Mega Noctowl
Ability: fur coar
HP-100
ATK-50
DEF- 75 (+25)
SPA- 116(+40)
SPD- 151 (+55)
SPE- 50(-20)
Gets more fluffy makes sense losing speed and honing its mind powers
Also make them both psychic/flying
And give it some more support moves idk maybe gen 7 will give it some crazy new shit who knows.

>>26491809
derp yes, knew it was already an ability somewhere

>>26491218

Flying/Ground (It's got a niche in having Drill Run, might as well use it)
HP: 65
Attack: 90 -> 135 (+45)
Defense: 65 -> 85 (+20)
Sp. Atk: 61
Sp. Def: 61 -> 71 (+10)
Speed: 100 -> 125 (+25)

Make the ability a clone of Tough Claws or some kind of Super Luck on steroids.
Or since it's all about stamina according to the dex entry :

Restful : On the turn this pokémon uses roost, its defenses are multiplied by 1.5
That said, it has no way to boost, so an ability to make it hit a bit harder would probably be welcome. Standard moveset would probably be Drill Peck/Drill Run/U-Turn/Roost or something.

>>26491832
The reason it has drill run is because its name in japanese name is onidrill and is the beak(which is shaped like a drill). People were suggesting to become part steel and expand on the drill aspect. And an unique drill boosting moves ability would fit it perfecty and make a steel based drill move while were at it too. But I don't see it become a ground type. Then again idk why gliscor is a ground type either.

>>26491949
Its name in Japanese is*
Its the beak pokemon*
god I need some sleep.

>>26491949
Eh, it'd be ground type solely for gameplay reasons, it's not meant to live as its Mega form, it doesn't seem too stupid to me for it to gain a type that strengthen its moves. And sure, an Iron Fist/Strong Jaw/whatever clone to expand drilling moves would be fine, it'd boost its stabs.

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Mega Probopass

Steel type
Ability: Regenerator

HP: 60
Attack: 73 (+18)
Defense: 200 (+55)
Sp. Atk: 100 (+25)
Sp. Def: 200 (+50)
Speed: 2 (-38)

It learn Trick Room now

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Mega Shedinja

Ability: Wonder Shell - Immune to all damage, faints after it would have received damage 3 times

1/155/10/50/10/110

>>26491404
>Ability
Defeatist
>Stats
HP: 65
Attack: 164 (+74)
Defense: 65
Sp. Attack: 61
Sp. Defense: 60
Speed: 126 (+26)

>>26492017
> +110
Whoops, sorry.

Subtract 10 points to attack stat

>>26492033
This is almsot completely broken with substitute

>>26492091
You still only have 1 HP, so you can't make a substitute.

>>26491148
It would be better with gale wings. That attack stat plus priority bravebirds

>>26492091
You'd need to pass a sub to him because he can't use it.

A substitute would give it a turn to use Hone Claws and royally fuck shit up though.

Sadly Sword Dance is illegal on it now because IT WAS A GLITCH PREASE UNDERSTANDU

>>26492097
>>26492106
Forgot that he can't use substitute

>>26492168
He also MUST run protect, because speed change doesn't take effect until next turn.

Mega Bannette syndrome.

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>>26491462
didn't make this sucker for nothing

>>26492338
How do you do those altered smogon entries?

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Mega Suicune
Water
Gale Winds (this Pokemon gains priority on all wind-based moves. Moves affected: Defog, Tailwind, Icy Wind, Gust, Hurricane [Suicune already gets every move listed above besides Hurricane; it now gets Hurricane through an event])
HP: +0 (100)
Att: +0 (75)
Def: +20 (135)
SpA: +35 (125)
SpD: +20 (135)
Spd: +25 (110)

Raikou
Electric
Competitive
HP: +0 (90)
Att: +0 (85)
Def: +10 (85)
SpA: +40 (155)
SpD: +20 (120)
Spd: +30 (145)

Entei
Fire
Intimidate
HP: +0 (115)
Att: +45 (160)
Def: +35 (120)
SpA: +0 (90)
SpD: +0 (75)
Spd: +20 (120)

I hate when people don't increase at least 10 points to an useless stat. Gamefreak usually does that.

>>26491613

It protects against hazards, paralysis, and Sand damage. That's a half Fire type Pokemon taking no damage from Stealth Rock.

>>26492531
20 if you're lucky!

They seem to have mellowed out with that in ORAS.

>>26492564
Stall doesn't run sand and hazards is more of a ho or balance thing

>>26492623

You're a moron. They absolutely run hazards and some stall or semi stall run Tyranitar.

>>26492564
also fuck you, magic guard doesn't stop paralysis

>>26492639

Well you're right about that one point, congrats. But you still said stall doesn't run hazards.

>Stealth Rock Chansey
>Spikes Skarmory
>Magic Bounce M-Sableye

>>26492634
http://www.smogon(.)com/smog/issue39/sableye-stalling-ou literally

>>26491832
also make Drill Peck have high-crit ratio

>>26492658
"more of an ho or balance thing" Never said it wasn't possible but it isn't a staple of teambuilding

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Mega Zangoose

Ability: Moody

HP: 73
ATK: 165
DEF: 60
SPA: 60
SPD: 60
SPD: 140

>>26492659

I don't know why you're linking me to Smogon as if I'm not already a high tier battler with metagame knowledge. Your own goddamn link refutes your argument, as it lists plenty of mons capable of running hazards as staples. Just off the top of my head:

>Empoleon
>Skarmory
>Chansey
>Hippowdon
>Rhyperior
>Ferrothorn
>Chesnaught

All capable of learning either SR or Spikes and have OU viable sets that utilize these hazards.

I don't really know how else I can prove it to you. Do you want a couple high ladder replays vs stall that show them using entry hazards? Do you want to glance over your link a little more thoroughly?

Stall runs hazards.

>>26491563
Wew lad

>>26492738
But Zangoose's whole thing is that he hates Seviper/Poison.

How about he gets a Toxic Boost that doubles his attack, or gives +Atk and +Spe?

Or what about
>Ability: HATES POISON - Raises Attack by two stages if hit with a Poison-type move.

>>26492738
>>26492813
Just give the thing Guts, Toxic Boost is shit anyway.

>>26492813
>Ability: All of this pokemon's damaging moves deal double damage to Poison-type pokemon.

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Make it happen.
Maybe it can only mega evolve/primal reverse if all regis are in party?

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>>26492879
The first mega evolution to be PU viable?

>>26492659

From your own link:

>Clefable is a perfect answer to Mega Sableye, as well a very good defensive Pokémon in general, potentially acting as a Stealth Rock setter and Wish passer.

Tentacruel is usually picked in this slot, as it has excellent synergy with Sableye. Notably, it deals with Clefable, one of the only Stealth Rock setters that beats Sableye; uses Rapid Spin; which is better than using Defog, as /you don't remove hazards from your side of the field/.
(This is an obvious typo; they meant by using Rapid Spin you don't remove hazards from the opponent's side of the field)

>Hippowdon is a good general answer to a bunch of threats and can rack up passive damage with Sand Stream.

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> Dodrio -> Mega Dodrio
Type: Normal/Flying -> Normal/Flying
Ability: Run Away / Early Bird / Tangled Feet -> Defiant or Hustle or Analytic or Speed Boost
60/150/70/70/70/140

> Dodrio -> Mega Dodrio
Type: Normal/Flying -> Normal/Flying
Ability: Run Away / Early Bird / Tangled Feet -> Defiant or Hustle or Analytic or Speed Boost
60/140/80/60/80/140

> Dodrio -> Mega Dodrio
Type: Normal/Flying -> Normal/Flying
Ability: Run Away / Early Bird / Tangled Feet -> Defiant or Hustle or Analytic or Speed Boost
60/150/80/60/80/130

Item: Dodrioite / Dodrite

New Moves:
Dodrio can now learn Low Kick via Move Relearner.
Dodrio can now learn High Jump Kick via level-up.
Dodrio can now learn High Jump Kick via Move Relearner.
Dodrio can now learn Crush Claw via breeding.
TM U-Turn is now compatible with Dodrio.

Role:
Work Up
Physical Attacker
3 Attacks + Roost

>>26493082

I don't get why you made three different Megas for it with very small stat changes. Can you explain that? Were you just not sure about where to put the stats so you posted three variations?

>>26493135

maybe because there are three heads,, but which stats should get aplied when?

>>26493150

Yeah but that doesn't mean it gets three different Megas. Like Mega Kang. It gets Parental Bond for obvious reasons. What you would wanna do if you want to incorporate the three headed design element is something like (just for example) Skill Link as the Ability with Tail Slap, but one unchangeable stat buff.

>>26493135
Depends on stats spread + ability combo, sometimes small bulk is appreciated, in general sometimes I feel like to show a hopefully "realistic" stats distribution range examples.

Usually almost every mega has a weak point, either high attack compensed with average speed or frail bulk and viceversa.

Mega Machamp (Would have 6 arms I guess)

Attack 175 (+45)
Defense 120 (+40)
Sp. Atk 40 (-25)
Sp. Def 100 (+15)
Speed 80 (+25)

>>26493135
>>26493178
btw to clarify,
those aren't 3 different megas for a single pokemon

each of them is a single example of a single mega for dodrio

>>26493210

Ah, that's what I thought. 3 different suggested stat spreads/Abilities. I thought it was some kind of weird gimmick having to do with Dodrio having 3 heads.

>>26491462
Magic Guard on a Poison/Fire pokemon would be retarded. You just lost your pokemon license.

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> Stunfisk -> Mega Stunfisk
Type: Ground/Electric -> Ground/Electric
Ability: Limber / Static / SandVeil -> Dry Skin
HP: 109 -> 109 (+0)
Attack: 66 -> 76 (+10)
Defense: 84 -> 114 (+30)
Special Attack: 81 -> 101 (+20)
Special Defense: 99 -> 139 (+40)
Speed: 32 -> 32 (+0)
BST: 471 -> 571 (+100)

> Stunfisk -> Mega Stunfisk
Type: Ground/Electric -> Ground/Electric
Limber/Static/SandVeil -> Dry Skin
HP: 109 -> 109 (+0)
Attack: 66 -> 86 (+20)
Defense: 84 -> 114 (+30)
Special Attack: 81 -> 101 (+20)
Special Defense: 99 -> 129 (+30)
Speed: 32 -> 32 (+0)
BST: 471 -> 571 (+100)

Item: Stunfiskite

Stunfisk doesn't change a lot, its tail fins become pointy as spades and the pattern on its back reminds of the battery symbol now.

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Mega Pepe

Types: Water
Ability: Huge Power(reee)

HP-50
ATK-180
DEF- 40
SPA- 180
SPD- 40
SPE- 155

>>26493297
lol haha
i laughed in real life at this
thanks for making my day :-)

>>26491218
Sniper
Give it focus energy.
Give it a flying type move with an increased crit rate.

>>26493297
haha lol
he should have download because it's an internet meme born in a hackers site, you get it? lol

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Mega Volcarona
Type : Bug/Fire
Ability : Drought

HP : 85
Attack : 40 (-20)
Defense : 95 (+30)
Sp.Attack : 165 (+30)
Sp.Defense : 135 (+30)
Speed : 130 (+30)

>>26493462
>min maxing something that is pseudo-legendary tier
>implying fat moth needs +30 speed and even -20 atk

what a tryhard

>>26493198
>Sp. Atk 40 (-25)

>>26493462
>Attack : 40 (-20)
>minmaxing fucking volcarona of all things

Out.

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Mega Weavile
Type: Ice/Dark
Ability: Tough Claws

HP: 70
ATK: 120 - (+20) >140
DEF: 65 - (+0) > 65
SPATK: 45 - (+70) > 115
SPDEF: 85 - (+0) > 85
SPD: 125 - (+10) > 135

I tried not to make it over-powered by adding nothing to the defenses and adding a lot of points to the Sp Atk. stat to make it more flexible. It doesn't hit nearly as hard as a Mega Metagross but it is meant to be really fast.

>>26491354
>jynxdonetherightway.jpg

>>26493462
Let's be honest. It gets +15 attack, and only +10 SpA and +15 Spe

>>26493810
See, this is a realistic Mega. It gets an increase to general usage, not minmaxed out the ass.

Mega Beedrill is the exception, not the rule.

>>26493845
Same guy who made this here>>26493810
What about this one?

Mega Breloom
Type: Grass/Fighting
Ability: Technician

HP: 60
ATK: 130 - (+20) > 150
DEF: 80 - (+10) > 90
SPATK: 60 - (+60) > 120
SPDEF: 60 - (+20) > 80
SPD: 70 - (+0) > 70

The thought process behind this one is that it is supposed to be kind of slow (but not too slow) and bulky that hits pretty hard.

mega farfetch'd
ability: Giant Slayer- gains attack bonus based on size of foe

basically looks like buff farfetch'd with a jack and the giant beanstalk tier leak.
give it actually somewhat usable stats.

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MEGA XATU BITCHES

Defensive
>Type: Psychic/Flying
>Ability: Wonderguard/Synchronize/Effect Spore
>HP: 65 -> 110
>Atk: 75 -> 35
>Def: 70 -> 110
>Sp.Atk: 95 ->100
>Sp.Def: 70 -> 160
>Spd: 95 -> 85

>>26493994
Farfetch'd would need an ability that effectivly replicated the effects of the Stick item, if not improve on it.

Just giving it a 100% crit rate wouldn't be overkill.

>>26494002
>Increasing HP with a mega. kek.

>>26494002
I think you may have made it worse than vanilla Xatu by taking away its magic bounce.

>>26494002
>increasing HP on a Mega
>+140 BST
Out.
>Effect Spore
Fucking how.

Someone make a mega that gets Tinted Lens as its ability.
I fucking love Tinted Lens.

Mega Pikachu (You guys know it is coming).
Ability: Pure Power

HP 35
Attack 55->55
Defence 40-60
SpA 50-75
SpD 50-65
Spe 90-130

Mega Stone: Light Ball (Continues to function as a Light Ball after Mega Evolution)

Pikachu shoots up to a thermonuclear 220 base attack. It seriously threatens a KO with Fake Out against a lot of shit unprepared for it.

>>26494099
Here goes.
Mega NEVER EVER Flygon
Ground/Dragon
Tinted Lens
80
140
80
140
80
120
>>26494117
>not understanding how stat boosts work
Remember, Azumarill has an effective base attack stat of 149 or so, not 100. Your Mega Pikachu would be working with an effective base attack stat of 368.5

>>26494163
Shit, make that 120 base Special Attack. I forgot that vanilla Flygon only has base 80.

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>>26494117
Mega Lopunny completely destroys that abomination

>>26494163
Even better.

>>26494117
>not giving it reckless or a rock head wannabe so it can volt tackle to the extreme

>>26494265
No. If it Volt Tackles both it and the thing it hits die in an explosion as "Through the Fire and Flames" plays.

>>26494192
>252+ Atk Light Ball Huge Power Pikachu Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Lopunny: 233-275 (85.9 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
There's always this, though Fake Out would hit first.
>>26494265
>STAB Rock Head Volt Tackle: 180 BP
>STAB Reckless Volt Tackle: 216 BP
>STAB Huge Power THUNDER PUNCH: 225 BP
Nah.

>>26494283
>not building a pokemon with its SIGNATURE MOVE in mind
Is this a joke?

>>26494309
M8 let me know when someone comes up with a Mega Octillery that can abuse Octazooka better than any of its other moves.
None of the Hoenn starter Megas were made with their signature moves in mind. Mega Heracross completely trashes Megahorn in favor of fucking Pin Missile. Both Mega Mewtwos receive huge Attack boosts in spite of Psystrike existing
I can't think of a single Mega that was built around an existing signature move. Hell, even Mega Rayquaza and the Primals got mixed attacking stats when it would've made more sense to play to the strengths of their new signature moves.

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>>26494117
>wanting Pikachu to be this goddamn over-powered
It's never going to fucking happen

>>26493971
60/90/80 with 6 weaknesses is not bulky at all

also the only special moves breloom learns are the standard Grass and Fighting-type fare, Sludge Bomb, and Hidden Power, so this is a shit mega

How about this then?

Mega Breloom
Type: Grass/Fighting
Ability: Technician

HP: 60
ATK: 130 - (+20) > 150
DEF: 80 - (+10) > 90
SPATK: 60 - (+30) > 90
SPDEF: 60 - (+10) > 70
SPD: 70 - (+30) > 100

Mega Machamp
Ability: Huge Power (takes off his power save belt)
90
130 (+ 70)
80 (+20)
65 (- 65)
85 (+20)
55 (+55)

>>26492367
with my cock

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>>26494539

>>26494638
Not at all. Machoke's entry says that if he takes off his belt, he would be unstoppable. And, I don't care about the meta.

>>26494683
>252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Mega Machamp: 342-404 (93.9 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Unstoppable my ass.

>>26494309
Remind me again how Mega Blaziken was built around Blaze Kick? Or how Mega Diancie is helped at all by Diamond Storm?
Tell me how Mega Sceptile got that major boost to attack to facilitate running Leaf Blade over Energy Ball.
Is Mega Lati@s ever running Mist Ball or Luster Purge?
Are Kyurem Black or White ever seen with Frost Shock or Frost Burn?
How about Mega Lucario doing anything with Aura Sphere?
How many Mega-moms run Dizzy Punch again?


Seems like there are a lot of holes in this one, m8.

>>26494721
>How about Mega Lucario doing anything with Aura Sphere?

You can easily run a special set with NP/Aura Sphere/Vaccum Wave and use the last slot for either Shadow Ball or Flash Cannon

M-Diancie's best Rock STAB is Diamond Storm and it increases it's Defense, which is important since the act of mega evolving reduces its defense

you would've been better off bringing up M-Beedril's Twin Needle or M-Alakazam's Kinesis

>>26493581

Ok then how about for a mega machamp with something like

130 -> 160 Attack
80 -> 110 Defense
65 Sp. Attack
85 -> 105 S. Defense
55 -> 75 Speed

>>26494895
A good, balanced spread.
As long as it doesn't get Huge Power as its ability, it should be fine.

>>26493810
i can't really see it being slower than manectric or lopunny

>>26493845
>it's exception because i said so

>>26495277
Just for you, I'll change it.

HP: 70
ATK: 120 - (+20) >140
DEF: 65 - (+0) > 65
SPATK: 45 - (+60) > 105
SPDEF: 85 - (+0) > 85
SPD: 125 - (+20) > 145

Better?

>>26495277
>HP: 70
>ATK: 120 - (+20) >140
>DEF: 65 - (+0) > 65
>SPATK: 45 - (+20) > 65
>SPDEF: 85 - (+10) > 95
>SPD: 125 - (+50) > 175
How's this?

Mega Hitmonlee

120 > 160 Attack
53 > 80 Defense
35 Sp Attack
110 > 120 Sp Defense
87 > 110 Speed

Mega Hitmonchan

105 > 140 Attack
79 > 120 Defense
35 Sp Attack
110 > 120 Sp Def
76 > 100 Speed

Mega Hitmontop

95 > 130 Attack
95 > 130 Defense
35 Sp Attack
110 > 120 Sp Def
70 > 85 Speed

Mega Swalot
Ability: Thick Fat
HP: 100
Attack: 83 (+10)
Def: 123 (+30)
SpA: 103 (+30)
SpD: 123 (+30)
Speed: 55

If this learned Milk Drink, it would be a great tank

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>>26495683
Whoops should be 113 for Defenc and SpD since it's from 83. Still decently bulky

>>26493810
>Ability: Tough Claws

>>26495755
Isn't that what I said?

Mega Vanilluxe
Ability: So Sweet - Restores 1/3 of total HP if this Pokemon didn't take Attack damage this turn
+40 Defense
+20 SpAtk
+20 SpDef
+10 Speed

>>26495728

Maybe balanced?
130/110/105/110/120/60

or built to be more tanky

130/95/130/95/135/50

>>26494918
Huge Power Machamp connecting with DynamicPunch would just liquefy your cartridge

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How do we make it better?

I don't like the ones without accompanying fanart.

>>26496139
Design: Needs exposed teeth, even if only the fangs. Maybe a ligthly longer snout. Tail is too bushy, looks like Arcanine.
Strong Jaw. Really, that is all it needs. It could get +100 SpA, so long as it gets Strong Jaw.

>>26496155
Needs an Attack and Speed boost AT LEAST. 110 Atk, 90 Spe maybe? With a sliiight increase in bulk.

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Mega Walrein
Water/Ice
Thick Blubber (Restores 12.5% HP per turn. If total HP drops to 50% or below, will restore 25% HP until total HP percentage is 51% or higher)

HP: +0 (110)
Att: +20 (100)
Def: +20 (110)
SpA: +30 (125)
SpD: +20 (110)
Spd: +10 (75)

I want it to get Aqua Jet and/or Ice Shard so Belly Drum sets might be viable.

>>26496178
If it got Strong Jaw, it could go with minimal Attack boost (+20 or so), and put the rest into Speed (+30) and Defences (+25 each).

>>26496139
How is this?

Mega Mightyena
Type: Dark
Ability: Strong Jaw

HP: 70
ATK: 90 - (+40) > 130
DEF: 70 - (+0) > 70
SPATK: 60 - (+10) > 70
SPDEF: 60 - (+10) > 70
SPD: 70 - (+40) > 110

>>26496228
I'd run it.

>>26496228
I could settle with that. That might be a bit much in attack, but I could see this making it to UU.

>>26496228

Needs a Normal secondary typing. I'm not kidding.

>>26496178
>>26496228
inferior mega absol
non relevant bulk and worse movepool

>>26496266
Any reason why?

>>26496282

Pretty much just because it's my mom's black doge. Plus that hilarious 4x Fighting weakness while the only advantage of the Normal typing is to give it an immunity to a Type it already resists.

>>26496279
>Learns all Elemental Fang moves
>Learns Sucker Punch
>Learns Play Rough
>Has more HP and Defense than Mega Absol in proposed mega form

Inferior Mega Absol How?

>>26496333

Don't forget Iron Tail. Low accuracy but gives it good coverage against Fairies.

>>26496349
so do absol and weavile

>>26496333
just like tyrantrum, such great pokemon, wow

also the non stab play rough meme needs to end

>>26496333
Mightyena has just slight more BST than Beedrill, it needs min maxing to pull off a Mega.

>70
>90 +45 (135)
>70 +15 (85)
>60 -30 (30)
>60 +25 (85)
>70 +45 (115)

Make it Dark / Poison (Hyenas can eat almost anything without consequences) and let it run with Poison Fang and Crunch boosted by Strong Jaw.

>>26496279
>Gets all of the worthwhile physical moves Absol gets.
>Better effective power on Crunch, and can reliably use the elemental fangs for coverage.
>Can run Intimidate as a base form ability.
>Has a niche using Poison Fang to get Toxic on Mega Sableye. Poison Fang is also a more reliable alternative to Iron Tail for valuable coverage.

This thing is pretty much a better Mega Absol in a straight-up fight. Mega Absol is probably better overall due to Magic Bounce, but Mega Mightyena would be no pushover, and it has a solid niche over Mega Absol on the right team.

>>26496409
Oooh, I like that. Hard to fluff, but it totally works mechanically.

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>>26496409
desu, that's much better than what I put.>>26496228

A+

>>26493810
Those SPA points are wasted, put theem in DEF/SPD or SPE

>>26496435
>>26496453
Thanks.

Mightyena is my favourite Pokémon, and yet I know it can hold is weight in a proper fight. A thing like that mega would be a blessing.

>>26496470
see >>26495315

>>26496409
NOW that's a good alternative to mega sharpedo for the meme tiers

>>26496419
there isn't a real competition between sd knock off and some physical coverage when absol can effectivly abuse it special movepool for those bulky mon that lose to x4 super effective special hits

intimidate works once, then it's status bait unlike absol

same for howl vs sword dance

technically it's worse and at best on same weavile level as mega, also doesn't receive instant speed on switch until mega

note weavile doesn't even need elemental coverage at all since ice and dark plus low kick and a more reliable priority are enough to put it on shame

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How do you want your VGC and Triples, senpai?

> Togekiss -> Mega Togekiss
Type: Fairy/Flying -> Fairy/Flying
Ability: Serene Grace / Hustle / Super Luck -> Friend Guard or Healer
HP 85 -> 85 (+0)
Attack 50 -> 70 (+20)
Defense 95 -> 110 (+15)
Special Attack 120 -> 145 (+25)
Special Defense 115 -> 140 (+25)
Speed 80 -> 95 (+15)
BST 545 -> 645 (+100)

Item: Togekissite

New Moves:
Togekiss can now learn Healing Wish via Move Relearner.

Role:
Support
Healer
Cleric
Pivot
Wish Pass
NPSweeper
Work Up Pass

Would a Mega Sunflora make it good or usable in any way?

Attack 75 > 95 (+20)
Defense 55 > 80 (+25)
Sp Attack 105 > 140 (+35)
Sp Def 85 > 105 (+20)

Probably still too frail. Maybe Sunflora needs a normal evolution instead.

>>26496860
Where's the speed?

>>26496868

same as usual; 30

>>26496860
>+20 atk
This shitmon can get more balk and sp atk while staying shitmon.

I mean, it has like what? Seed Bomb and Double Edge as physical strongest attacks?

>>26496885
>pointing at its least relevant stat

>>26496860
Sunflora needs a real evolution before it gets a mega

525 BST isn't enough to justify a mega slot no matter how min-maxed it is

>>26491534
You realize that it being poison/fire makes it immune to poison, toxic poison, and burns right? So the only status you'd be able to get are paralyzed and freeze, magic guard doesn't prevent speed drops from para or the full para, nor does it negate freezing. Levitate would be much better

Mega Machamp:
Reckless
+70 atk
+10 def
+10 spdef

This makes it similar to Zam in its bst mods (only 90) and it also avoids the obvious stuff. Its stats become 90/200/90/65/95/55.

>>26497677
I'm gonna be honest. I think 'Champ keeping Guts is probably the better move.

>>26496333
>>Learns Sucker Punch
>>Learns Play Rough
And absol doesnt?
Mega Absol is literally "Click Sucker punch": The Mega
Thats why it has Magic Bounce. To tempt you into attacking it, so that Sucker Punch wont fail. Nothing with 60 defenses needs to worry about toxic.

>>26497695
Agree, it doesn't learn particularly good recoil moves.

>>26497695
Honestly I was doing it for flavor. I was thinking he'd turn all red like the Hulk or something, have ripped-up shorts (or skin splotches that looked like it), his hair-stuff get bigger and more wild, and grow back the tail he had as a machop. I just like the idea of it.

>>26497780
give it Adaptability so that it does insane damage with Fighting-type moves, since you're apparently copying its Burst Mode from Pokken anyways

>>26497811
I haven't played Pokken yet because I wanted to learn everything from the ground up. If that's what he does there, then I'm A-OK with copying it.

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>>26497707
I wasn't saying Absol didn't learn those moves, you imbecile. I was just stating good moves that Mightyena could learn.

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>>26496208
holy shit, an ability that restores 1/8th hp for free isn't fucking good enough when it's already twice as good as the existing alternatives (ice body and rain dish), you have to give it another stupid snowflake ability on top of it just because you're buttflustered stallrein got nerfed

literally fucking kill yourself

>>26497841
No, you weren't stating it as anon has said tho.

Mega Mismagius
Typing: Ghost -> Ghost/Fairy
Ability: Levitate -> Magic Bounce
HP: 60
Attack: 60 -> 60 (+0)
Defense: 60 -> 80 (+20)
Sp. Atk: 105 -> 135 (+30)
Sp. Def: 105 -> 125 (+20)
Speed: 105 -> 135 (+30)
BST: 495 -> 595 (+100)

gives them an edge as a special attacker with the +30 boost and added Fairy STAB, as well as makes its current role of a stallbreaker more desirable with prankster

>>26496503
It's not really a good alternative M-Sharpedo at all; M-Gyara is a good alternative to M-Sharpedo. Mightyena can't bost it's attack outside of Howl. Granted, neither can Sharpedo but it has a better secondary STAB and superior speed

>>26493845
>not minmazed out the ass
>+70 to spatk

>>26497956
>mega gyara
>alternative to sharpedo
><> J

Mega Gyarados is like better than Mega Sharpedo at everything.
Especially with its bulk, boosts and Mold Breaker.

Sharpedo is the frail "hyper offensive" Dark mega.

>>26497905
But what I was stating was that Mightyena learns Play Rough and Sucker Punch, and that the Mightyena Mega that I proposed had better defense than Mega Absol. I never fucking said that Absol couldn't learn those moves.

Mega Butterfree
Bug/Dragon
+70 ATK
+30 SPE
Huge Power

Mega Jynx
Ice/Psychic
Ability: Technician

HP: 065 -> 65
AK: 050 -> 60
DF: 035 -> 45
SA: 115 -> 140
SD: 095 -> 105
SP: 095 -> 140

Hypothetical moveset:
-Water Pulse
-Draining Kiss
-Frost Breath (wall breaking) or Icy Wind (Speed Reduction)
-Hidden Power (Coverage) or Confusion (Psychic STAB + confusion chance)

I don't think there are any other Special Attack technician users, so it could have a fun niche.

>>26498204
>I don't think there are any other Special Attack technician users

I've seen people run special Persian but it's not really good

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>>26497904

This unironically mad.

>>26498242
I also remembered Mr. Mime and Roserade after I posted >>26498204 , but my point still stands, I think, as it would be built expressly for Technician shenanigans.

>>26492879
>>26492987
What if...
>need all 3 regis to primal evolve
>primal has higher BST than mega fug
>no slow start or defeatist

How would the competitive scene change?

>>26491148
>not Fighting/Flying
>not Gale Wings
You blew it

>>26498313
Not at all, since it would be seen as a gimmick build and just be relegated to Ubers.

>>26497924
Mismagius would need Pixilate for that Hyper Voice.

>>26492738
>>26492813
>not giving them both adaptability

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>>26494099
>implying any mon deserves it more

>>26496139
Special intimidate called Heckle

>>26498313
It would need magic bounce or an ability that causes Safeguard in order to not be crippled completely by status

>>26494822
>shows two out of seven examples that can be considered wrong
>'wins argument'

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>>26498970
>>26498970
where in that post did i claim i won the argument i wasn't part of?

>>26491462
>fire/poison
>4x weak to earthquake
>DURR GIB HIM URF GARD

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

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>>26498459
>not making both defense stats an even 100
>adding ANYTHING to the Special Attack stat, a stat it will never use
>not removing more Special Attack and investing it elsewhere

>>26499247
what the fuck is wrong with people that they refuse to consider a pokemon can dare to have a 4x weakness

half of OU is 4x to weak something or other and people don't bitch about it and demand levitate on magnezone as much as they do on /vp/

this game has been out for 20 fucking years, if you're still keeping your dragonite in on ice moves you should be sterilized

>>26491405
Ability: Snow Drift
(Ice type moves get +1 priority)

>>26491462
>>26499247
>>26499300
But why Magic Guard of all things?

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When?

>>26491420

I got a better ability.

Same name, but all piercing moves used by this pokemon ignore defense modifiers and attack the lowest defensive stat.

There, Mega Fearow is viable and has a role as a literal wallbreaker.

>>26499268
>wah you're supposed to minmax!

>>26499381
Keep stats the same or +10 in everything to keep it a joke. Then give it a unique ability reversing Defeatist. Optimist: when Hp falls below 50% Atk and Sp Atk.stats are doubled

>>26494117
Give it Pure Power for only Electric attacks so it can be easily walled

>>26499469
I don't care if Minmaxing is done or not. But if you're going to do something with a Stat that even the base form would never use, Minmaxing is certainly a better idea than adding wasted points to it.

Or just don't touch Special Attack. It's shit on Krookodile.

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>>26491482
>he added to the HP

>>26499574
It doesn't need the extra 10 to be good. 112 speed with 147 attack STAB nigh unresisted Knock Off with a potential Moxie boost is dangerous, and it's bulk is nothing to laugh at when it also gets Intimidate in the base form.

>>26498313
well in vgc which is nintendos format
it would require your party be regigigas and the crew
if it combined into some unholy fucking 1000 bst monster then maybe itd be viable since its a 1v4 fight
but how would you make it overpowered but also balanced? whats the achillies heel?

>>26499667
>whats the achillies heel?
The shittiness of the other regis obviously.

>>26496372
there are literally four pokemon that run STAB Play Rough

>>26499686
but would 3 shitmons that are bulky in their own right really drag down a fucking 770 bst monster?

if they removed slow start, regigigas would automatically shoot to OU at least by smogon standards
in vgc it would be a top-tier threat because its tanky, decently fast and hits like a fucking bus. because of natural bulk and access to drain punch it can tangle with shit like p-don and mega mom

now if it had 770 bst what the fuck would stand against it? even if the boost was 20 to each stat it would become a 110/180/130/100/130/120 fucking monster
bulkier than nearly every mon in the game and as strong as fucking mega fug ON TOP OF OUTSPEEDING IT
if the ability was crippling it would be useless, but if the ability was pretty much anything like the primals got the thing would probably be fucking banned
imagine if it was some shit that gave it the resistances of steel/rock/ice without the weaknesses

mega regigigas cant work because it would be hysterically broken or a fucking meme mon

>>26492509
I like the suicune ability. I'm not sure how useful it would be on suicune though?

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Name: Raichu--> Mega Raichu
Type: Electric--> Electric
Ability: Static-->Volt Absorb or Reckless
Stats:
Hp: 60--> 60
Attack: 90--> 110
Defense: 55--> 50
Sp.Atk: 90--> 130
Sp.Def: 80--> 75
Speed: 110--> 120

I know they wont make it (cause mu cute mascot) but i can still dream cant i.

>>26499782

I was actually incorrect in that it neither has Hurricane nor Defog. If it got these moves its Mega could work like a bulky as fuck pivot that can remove hazards with priority and hit Grass types for SE priority Hurricane.

Really its main niche would be priority Defog though. And if it wasn't clear, I gave it a Flying related Ability because its the North Wind pokemon. Imo it would be worse to just slap a Flying typing on it and make it worse than it was.

>>26495683
Why milk drink? Where would it get the milk from? After a nice meal all you need to do is "slack off"

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Here's a challenge: make an utterly useless pokemon useful with a mega.

Mega Unown
Psychic
Ability: Power Play
>increases Power moves by 30%

HP: 48
Attack: 102 (+30)
Defence: 78 (+30)
Sp. Attk: 102 (+30)
Sp. Def: 78(+30)
Speed: 28 (-20)

Now gets:
Superpower
Secret Power
Ancient Power
Nature Power
Cosmic Power
Power Gem
Earth Power
Stored Power

>>26501218
Unown is 100% irredeemable garbage. You might be able to pull something like that off on low BST mons like Mawile or Delibird (were both on even grounds in gen v basically) but Unown still will never be used.

>>26501290
What if it got a 280 BST increase and an upgraded protean that also changes to the same type as any incoming attacks, and an expanded movepool so it has one attack of every type.

>>26501378
The fact that you had to say all of that proves how irredeemable it is.

>>26501564
Would all that not make it UU at least?

>>26501623
Probably, or maybe even higher. It all depends on stat distribution.

>>26491218
Maybe an ability that boosts drill-like moves? Excadrill can have it too

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>>26491148
>designing megas for double battle

>>26501706
What aspect of the mega implied it was meant for double battles?! the intimidate? I meant it as a way for it to shut down others, and mostly beacuse I thought GF wouldn't give it something better like reckless or moxie.

>>26492684
Yes it is. You are trash.

>>26492778
Correct

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HP: 110
Attack: 123 - 163 (+40)
Defense: 65 - 105 (+40)
Sp. Atk: 100 - 60 (-40)
Sp. Def: 65 - 105 (+40)
Speed: 65 - 85 (+20)

Ability: Reckless

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>>26501800
>Min-maxing a starter
>Giving a mega to This abomination

Get out of my thread anon

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>>26501809

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Never ever ;_;

>>26501638
102
104
102
104
102
102
Different form, so not a mega. Form changes when holding a Rosetta Stone expy.

>>26501218
i like the idea but it won't work in japanese so not happening

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Oh cool this thread's still alive

Mega Slaking

Ability: Truant - Guts

HP: 150 - 150 (+0)
Attack: 160-160 (+0)
Defense: 100-100 (+0)
Sp.Att.: 95-95 (+0)
Sp.Def.: 65-65 (+0)
Speed: 100-100 (+0)
BST: 670-670 (+0)

Might be UU/BL, could be interesting with RestTalk or a WoW bait

>>26502531
I think the stat Distripution could be like this:
HP: 150
Attack: 180 (+20)
Defense: 120 (+20)
Sp. Attack: 135 (+40)
Sp. Defense: 85 (+20
Speed: 100
I don't think this would be to overpowered

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>>26502531

Another

Mega Durant

Ability: Swarm/Hustle/Truant - Super Luck

HP: 58-58 (+0)
Attack: 109-149 (+40)
Defense: 112-127 (+15)
Sp.Att.: 48-58 (+10)
Sp.Def: 48-68 (+20)
Speed: 109-124 (+15)

BST: 484-584 (+100)
New Moves: Attack Order, Focus Energy (EM), maybe Drill Run (EM)

Could do some real damage due to 50/100% crit rate. Wanted to try an ability that no other Mega has had so far.

mega zapdos
typing: electric/fairy
ability: Stunning, electric moves secondary effects are twice as likely to come into affect and also add attraction which ignores gender+immunity to ground moves
HP: 90
Atk: 120 (+30)
Def 110 (+25)
Spa 160 (+35)
Spd 110 (+20)
spe 100 (+0)

mega articuno
typing: ice/dark
ability: death chill, ice type moves become dark type and deal +30% damage and +20% chance to freeze+immunity to perish song, ground type moves, destiny bond, shadow tag
Hp: 90
Atk: 85
Def: 150 (+50)
Spa: 115 (+10)
Spd: 175 (+50)
Spe: 85 (+0)

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>>26502611

Final one

Mega Snorlax

Ability: Immunity/Thick Fat/Gluttony - Simple

HP: 160-160 (+0)
Attack: 110-135 (+15)
Defense: 65-115 (+50)
Sp.Att.: 65-80 (+15)
Sp.Def.: 110-140 (+30)
Speed: 30-20 (-10)

BST: 540-640 (+100)

I may think of a few more later. Interested in critique.

mega moltres
typing: fire/flying
ability: firefly, fire and flying moves swap typing if they are not very effective against an enemy pokemon+ immunity to ground type moves
Hp: 90
Atk: 110 (+10)
Def: 90 (+0)
Spa: 175 (+50)
Spd: 85 (+0)
Spe: 140 (+50)

I think mega moltres is probably my most viable design since it messes with opponents trying to check him, the ability name needs work though.

mega zapdos probably needs more bulk with that sort of ability desu but i like its ability since it provides an alternative to togekiss

mega articuno seems to be too powerful and its movepool lacks dark type moves. It would also get rekt by fighting type moves but i like the idea of immunity to trapping moves

>>26502564

Well if you add to its bulk, then it can Rest easier. If you then Sleep Talk Facade you basically have a STAB 140BP move coming off 270 base attack. You'd have to have ghosts to counter, who'd get fucked up by Pursuit/Shadow Claw

>>26491462

> Magic Guard
> Immune to burn and toxic
> Poison/Fire type
> immune to life orb damage'
> Mega

Only thing Magic Guard does for it is make it immune to sandstorm and trapping moves at the expense of making it get destroyed by earthquake.

Levitate would be better actually.

>>26494117
Would a volt tackle coming off this be the strongest unboosted attack in the game?

Mega typhlosion
gets regenerator

Broken y/n?

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>>26491663
>bird

>>26503853

It's a half Fire type immune to Stealth Rocks and Spikes. It has SOME relevant perks. I probably tend to agree that Fire/Poison with Levitate would probably be overall better.

>>26501218
Ability: Cryptogram
>Hidden Power now fires 2-5 attacks of randomized types and base power. May also cause additional effects, including Burn, Confusion, Seeds, Hazards, or Rooms.

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I don't know how GF would work out making a Gourgeist Mega because of its 4 formes but I'll base this off the Supersize stat distribution.

Mega Gourgeist
Grass/Ghost
Flash Fire

HP: +0 (85)
Att: +35 (135)
Def: +20 (142)
SpA: +0 (58)
SpD: +30 (105)
Spd: +15 (69)

Gets a little bit of speed to better handle shit like Azumarill and Tyranitar. Now capable of being a great mixed wall instead of getting 2HKOd by Specs Pump from Keldeo.

Ideally I think it deserves Fire Fang or Flare Blitz, but I don't think there's even any way to get it through breeding because it's in the amorphous egg group.

>>26504047

Mega Glalie's Explosion is a 487.5 BP attack (STAB included) coming from 120 Base attack. Which has it beat.

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mega zen darmanitan can you come up with something for it?

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>>26491148

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>>26505201

>>26491663
>extending the direct suggestion that members of the scientific classification order of Strigiformes are in any meaningful way closely genetically related to members of the scientific classification class of Aves

>>26501935
Thank god

>>26505185
Make it strong as shit, but can only mega evolve in Zen mode.

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>>26496618
BAN THIS!

>>26499574
>But if you're going to do something with a Stat that even the base form would never use
That's what a majority of real megas do (see: Gardevoir, Ampharos, Blastoise, Gyarados just to name a few)

>>26491148
Why intimidate and not gale winds?

>>26491462
Keep Levitate and it's alright.

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Reuniclus @Reunicite
Ability: Twisted (Automatic Trick Room and all "Room" moves have +3 priority)
HP: 110
Attack: 65
Defense: 75 to 90
Sp.Atk: 125 to 165
Sp.Def: 85 to 120
Speed: 30
BST: 490 to 590 (at least I think it's a 100 increase)
Now learns Magic Room as well.
Maybe some new Room moves:
Baffle Room: Take "Inverse Battles" and turn it into a room that lasts 5 turns.
Simple Room: Take "Taunt", give it to all Pokemon on the field, and turn it into a room that lasts 5 turns.
Shock Room: Swaps Attack and Sp. Attack of all Pokemon on the field, though stat changes remain the same. Lasts 5 turns.

>>26499844
needs to be 123 SPD because fuck Non-Green Frog of Many Type Changes.

>>26509307
HE

>>26497548
Doesn't Mega Beedrill have a BST of 480?
Don't Megas Sableye and Mawile have the same BST of 480?

>>26505220
Giga Blastoise.