This.

Is

SPARTA

Both are pretty great designs OP

Both are great fuck off

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>all generations have similar design but gen 1
>so all gens designs suck but genwun is purrfect

I've never liked Arcanine. Have a soft spot for Ninetales, though.

>>26410185
>not because [...] or because they are 'too complicated'
>but because [...] they are incredibly overdesigned

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>>26410185

>>26410185
>normal pokemon is less detailed than a legendary
Wooooooooooooow

>>26410225
Mew.

>not because they don't look like animals, or because they're "too complicated"
>they are incredibly over designed
>not too complicated
>they are over designed
make up your mind OP

Modern designs need to have overall more details so that they stand out among the earlier designs. If they weren't, people would complain how they're just reusing the same templates.

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this one is trying too hard to look legendary

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>>26410185
>entire argument is just 'look at it'
>terrible font choice

>>26410185

did thought about this little thing: Old Pokemon couldn´t have more detail, because it the gb/c wouldn´t show them really good :)

>>26410185
I've never really noticed arcanine's ears before and you're right, it does look kind of dumb

>>26410185
All this words just to say "I don't like it"

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>>26410185
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have

>using Arcanine as an example of non-over design and quality

This is the funniest shit I've seen. Arcanine is such a fucking mess design-wise. I have always hated Arcanine for it's ugly, unkempt fur and the random, scraggly, patternless stripes. A lot of new Pokemon have more detail than old ones, yes, but Arcanine is the worst possible choice to make this point. What a horrible argument hahaha.

One is a fire dog and one is an avatar of the sun.

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>>26410185
Friendly reminder to never trust an Arcaninefag's opinions.

>>26410185
Cuckcanine is trash though. Literally my mom's tiger.

>>26410185
>not because they are 'too complicated'
>but because they are incredibly over-designed
How mentally challenged do you have to be to contradict yourself in the next fucking sentence, like holy shit. Did you even read what you wrote?

>"Not because they're too complicated"
>"Overdesigned"

Fuck off, OP

If people think it looks good, then it's well designed. Doesn't matter if you don't like it, aesthetics aren't objective, art isn't objective. Just shut up already.

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guys, Op isn't the stupid one
you guys are!
This is a b8 thread ffs!

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>>26410185
Hey, OP, I fixed your pick!
In fact, Pyroar has less details than Arcanine

>>26410185
>Arcanine has been my bro for over a decade
>Solgaleo is a top tier design that may become my favourite legend

Well, you sure showed me!

>>26410452
# R E K T
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>>26410185
Ever heard the word "progress"? New shit isn't OVER designed, it's BETTER designed.... Aesthetic changes and grows with time bruh

>>26410185
>solgaleo
>complicated

I'd say it's more simple and abstract than the last box legendaries. Also aren't legendaries meant to look abstract and odd-looking? It adds a more mystery to their design.

>OP throws bait
>some people reply yes
>some people reply no
>shitfest ensues
>in the middle of the Armageddon nobody wills to address the real issue
>that with every next gen weak designs are bigger and bigger share of all new pokemon

>>26410185
>spiky fire anime dog
>vs spikey robot sun-god anime lion

>>26410347
That was a horrible post haha

>>26410587
This one too haha

>>26410587
Go back to smelling yoshi eggs

>>26410337
is this youkai watch? wow these are awful

This is a fucking awful argument. Ones a normal pokemon and the others a fucking sun God lion. No shit it's gonna be "over designed"

>>26410452
They really didn't even try with Pyroar. Both its design and stats are mediocre because they were saving everything good for Solgaleo

I don't understand how the creator of that image measures something as arbitrary as "creative thought".

The sun legendary actually looks good in that art though, surprisingly

Does anyone else think legendaries kinda should be overdesigned? They're these powerful/mystical beings of legend, they should have general qualities about them that make them stand out and not look like regular Pokemon.

if Solgaleo was a Digimon, it would be great.

>>26410337
>dumping on tublappa and dazzabel
If you're gonna rag on it for bad design at least choose examples that are actually bad.

>>26410594
>>26410599

Stay being mad that you never had an Arcanine when you were a kid because your first game was Pearl.

>>26410365
I remember that match. My stars that was hilarious

>>26410337
What's wrong with the one in the top right? I'd totally train that.

>>26410337
Isn't second one down from the far left a Bravely Default enemy? Or was it Etrian Odyssey? I definitely remember it from somewhere.

>>26410452
couldn't be arsed to use the official art? what the fuck happened to those paws

>>26410185
Of course they are different.
One is a legendary Pokemon. The other is a Legendary Pokemon.

>>26410722
Oh yeah, speaking of which which.. johtoddler, hoennbaby, what will Alola be?

>>26410772
Mewtwo didn't look like a zord either.

>>26410786
Was Mewtwo the living embodiment of the Sun?

>>26410236
Mr mime is pretty over complicated though

Compare every dog/wolf then not just RK9 and Sogaleo. If your going to say one looks better than the other. Then choose between each and every doge then. From my perspective the best one is houndoom. Sure he doesn't have ears. It's a doom hound. The mega would've been better off as a standard evolution, as doesn't change much about houndoom besides additional spikes.

>>26410185
>overdesigned=inherently bad
if sun legendary had come first and we were getting arcanine now, the argument would be that new pokemon are underdesigned. its all about perspective. you dont need to be a faggot about it.

>>26410185
Not even gonna lie. Solgaleo is a magnificent design and overall one my top 3 legendaries, along with Lugia and and Kyogre.

>>26410185
>This is low quality bait.

>>26410837
I'm falling for bait
Beedrill>Veneomoth>Buttdrfree>vivillion>volcanrona<beautifly

>>26410921
>beedrill
>not even a bee/hornet, just a fucked up butterfly/moth with a stinger
Daily reminder that while bee's do have a larval stage, they do not operate in any way like caterpillars.

>>26410837
>picked good design from latter gen and bad one from 1st
>tries to imply there are no bad designs at all

>>26410185

>Over complicated
>Too simplistic
>Too cute
>Too mean

Make up your fucking minds please.

>>26410534
Gen 1 and 2 still have the biggest amount of shitmons.

>>26410921
>Volcarona
>not best bug

shit taste you got there senpai

>>26410966
What is a 'shitmon' by your opinion?
Because I'd argue that while weak pokemon are in every gen, in latter ones there is more and more of them

>>26410773
Alolarvae

>>26410964
Here's what it all really boils down to

>Not muh childhood

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>>26410185
>They are incredibly overdesigned...
>...little creative thought put into them
Smells like bait to me.

>>26410981
Shit stats and mediocre to shit designs.

>>26410236
>using the literal fetus pokémon in your argument
The whole point of mew is that it looks basic because it's the first pokémon.

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>>26410837
>>26410452
>>26410347
>STILL shitting on pokemon designs
Fine, get a bigger load of it

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This is now a sun lion thread.

>>26410967
I've never used one I didn't play black.

>>26411011
>Shit stats
you gotta be kidding

>discussion about designs
>he brings 'muh stats', completely ignoring the powercreep happening since ever

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>>26411026
Praise the Sun, nigger.

>>26410949
it's basically the same argument OP is making

>>26410987
Larvae isn't really a point on the human conception timeline. Unless you're implying they don't even count as human.

>>26411044
And OP is confirmed baiter for even starting this thread in this way with this pic.

>>26411029
Can you autistic fucks even talk like normal people? Every single post here is nothing but greentexting, strawmans and memes.

Okay, ignore the stats part then, doesn't change the fact dewgong is a shitmon.

>>26410773
Alolamomalo

>>26411024
Many of these are stupid just because the legend they're based on is stupid. There was nothing they could do and still be true to source. They didn't have the freedom of pokemon to just make up or change things arbitrarily. It still had to be recognizably the monster in question, even if all that meant it could be was just a normal lady with an elastic neck.

>>26410185
All these contradicting words and sentences, the text means absolutely nothing

>>26411027
They were in white too. And the sequels.

And larvesta were in or as on the secret islands I think.

>>26411074
It is weak design, indeed.
Doesn't change the fact that still there's less weak designs in first gen that in, let's say sixth.

>>26411016
Mewtwo.

Gen 1 fag here. I love Solgaleo and I disagree he's over designed. All of his detail is in his mane. The rest of his body is mostly white we just haven't seen much of him from that angle

>>26410273

Basically this. I can guarantee that if they used designs similar to genwun, then /vp/ would just be endlessly complaining that they all look the same.

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>>26411041
awww fucc praise the sun nigga

>>26411095
The single fact that gen 6 doesn't have dugtrio already makes it better.

>>26411026
Praise the sun, nigga

>>26411120
>what is Quilladin

>>26411024
It's retarded to post designs from a completely different franchise with a totally different aesthetic sensibility to suggest something all Pokémon designs are good or fit within Pokémon's broader design principles.

Say what you will about YoKaiWatch, but at least the designs are coherent, and at least it doesn't seem as though they've ripped one of their most important monster designs from fucking Zoids.

>>26411120
It has Doublade, which is the same thing.

>>26411138
Doublade is miles ahead of dugtrio. The only thing that can compete with dugtrio in terms of laziness is voltorb and maybe poliwrath.

>>26410949
It's counterbait
There are "bad" designs on every gen, gen 1 isn't perfect

>>26410773
Aolalalalalaicanthearyoufaggotsmyregionisbest

>>26411161
But there are more bad designs in gens where it's more business and less enthusiasm

>>26411026
Praise the sun nigga

>>26410185
>but their is
>objectivly

>>26411159
It's the exact same shit.

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>>26410722
I've seen some reaches in my time but this is almost galactic.

>>26410185
Is this person retarded?
>they don't look bad because they're "too complicated" they look bad because they're overdesigned

What the fuck?

>>26411203
Doublade isn't a sausage with eyes, so no.

>>26411171
That's only your opinion. To prove that is an objective truth you would need to show to a reasonable sized group of people every single pokemon( divided in generations), give them some criteria to estabilsh what is a good design or a bad one and having them agree on most them. Until you haven't done this don't claim your opinion on something subjective like designs is a fact

>>26410273
This.
>>26410347
Fuck you, Arcanine is based.
>>26410365
>>26410377

Die.

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>>26411171
I don't really know what you mean by that, but
Look pal, I sure do love gen 1, I downloaded the rereleases as soon as they hit the eShop, I prefer to play them instead of the remakes, but I'm not blinded by nostalgia.
I won't defend bullshit pokemon designs, but every single problem "genwunners" find on new pokemon exists on old ones too. Food, objects, my mom's xxx, overdesigned, simple, abstract, etc. It all exists on every gen. Pokemon are made to appeal to a wide range of people, just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean that no one likes it.

>>26410185
>creativity is bad
kys

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>>26410185
What people dont realise is that gen 1 was thought to be a one shot- no anime, no toys, no manga, no cards.
Akira toriyama said that he puts more effort into DQ instead of DBZ because he doesnt need to draw the DQ characters over and over again.
Newer gens are designed the way they are because- they are made so a big group of people can work with the same design.
Another reason is the fact of uniqueness: in a way, first gen had to make more seterile designs: you have to fill up a world with only 150 animals. The bird you draw has to fit the city, forests, etc. As gens grew, they have the ability to make niche animals (compare pidgey to wingul) that fit certain ecosystems.
If any, gen 1 is full of pokemon design to be as generic as possible, and newer mons are made to fill certain roles, or "deepen" the lore of the game.
You could compare early and new mons to music, with gen 1 being something like a top 40s song, produced to be accessible ans to be everywhere, and liked by everyone. New mons are more like Punk: they are not going to be liked by everyone, but they provide an alternative for people looking for something morencatared to them. The only tine GF tried to recreate gen 1 was with 5, and people shit on those mons like there is no tomorrow.
I love how people who have no idea how art and economics relate to each other think they can maken"objective" points.

>>26410185
Kill yourself fucking faggot.

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First of all the people thinking 'too complicated' and 'overdesigned' are the same thing. Fuck you. Overdesigned is always in relation to existing elements within the context. Such as praise_the_sun being overdesigned compared to Arcanine. It is, however, not necessarily a bad thing. I think we all understand that back in the early gens, played on shit hardware could never convey the amount of detail we're able to convey on modern hardware.

I like the older pogeymans more. Maybe it's mostly nostalgia, although the are several new poges I like. Still, the older pokemon are in my opinion much more relatable to the real world, but hurrdurr muh keychain so relatable. I can see them existing in the real world, either Growlithes as dogs or Voltorbs as anal beads, while sunfella here is just an anthro meccha anime character.

In no way is the new design bad design though. There are several successful games and franschises where the style is incredibly similar to antimoonfaggot.

Different, not bad. What can be discusses is personal opinion of the direction Pokemon is taking. A direction to please the new, young audience while still retaining aspects that please old fucks.

>>26410185
Yeah, right one is better. A Lion, Lion = King, and in France there was that king that was named "Roi Soleil". A sun lion is perfect design-wise.

The blue part of its head adds a "space" feature that goes well with the "sun" part. 8/10

The left one is a shit dog with strips. 4/10

>>26410215
First thing I noticed on that pic

>>26411255
Of course that was opinion, where the hell you think we are.
But, if you think there is no decline in pokemon design quality, then make me reconsider my opinion.


>>26411304
I am not saying genwun, or gentoo is holy shrine of perfection, merely stating that while those are riddled with 6/10 designs, the newer generations have steadily decreasing average quality of design

>>26410185
If you want to play a game with basic animals go buy NintenDogs and GTFO here.

>>26411375
That's just, like, your opinion man.
I dislike over 70% of the pokemon from gen 1, 4 and 6, you can't say they're getting worse as a fact

>>26411429
And I like them all, your point?
Yes, even the fucking 'muh snowcone'

>>26410185
Blah blah blah

Fuck you

>>26411430
What are you trying to imply here? That everyone is retarded?
Pick a side faggot

>>26411024

None of these are bad.

They're charming and fit perfectly with the legend(s) they're based upon.

They aren't monsters. They're literally Japanese spirits. They don't have to be "aesthetically pleasing."

>>26410185
>comparing literally just a dog to a sun god legendary
niiiiiice

>inb4 b-b-but legendary dog!

>>26411480

I know you're joking, but "neither of you are right" is actually a viable side in most situations.

>judging a gen by box legends as if youre going to use it for anything other than dex fodder

>>26411026
PRAISE THE SUN, NIGGA

>>26410215
Stopped reading right there

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>>26410185

>plainly seen
>take a good look
>try looking at them objectively

i.e. I can't actually explain myself so I'll imply that it's self-evident.

Fuck off kid.

>their is

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I think the problem is that Pokemon fans are having a problem defining on what 'overdesigned' really means. Most people use the word to describe how the Pokemon visually look. And that's wrong.

Design is the construct of the Pokemon, or how the Pokemon is built physically. Pokemon like Voltorb are objectively under-designed. It's literally shaped as a sphere, but that's not a bad thing at all. Fans don't usually worry or harp on under-designed Pokemon, as much as they do over-designed Pokemon.

Now, an example of an over-designed Pokemon, for example, is Reshiram. There are spikes everywhere, the torso and body shape are a joke, and its' tail is a complicated mess.

Now when people say over-designed, what they really mean is 'over-detailed'. Let's keep this short, Pokemon like Ditto are under-detailed, and Pokemon like Sigilyph are over-detailed.

But when a Pokemon is UNNATURALLY over-designed, or over-detailed, that is when that Pokemon is utterly shit. This is fact. And if you couple either of those traits with horrible features (faces are most common) you get one of most hated Pokemon.

This is what people need to learn. This thread is shit.

>>26410215
Complicated and overdesigned are 2 different things.

Complicated : having 7 heads, 10 tails 8 feet, and all from dif animals along with chars from many animals/beings. Like a cacophony of dif characteristics.

Overdesigned : generally simple design but with every fuckimg detail draw on it. Like stripes and circles and claws and feathers and teeth and scales and horns.
Ex: look at their feet.

>>26410225
Arcanine was a legendary along with moltres zapdos and articuno (see relevant picture) but I guess it got dropped from legendary status cause 3 birds one dog didn't fit.

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>>26411026
Praise the moon, nigga.

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>>26410185
Arcanine is not based on animals though.

>>26411692
Reshiram doesn't have a single spike. Not having a "good body" is shared by every other winged dragon in the series.

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>>26410185
>using a Fanart as a proof

>>26411692
Also, Eevee is the best example of a Pokemon that is naturally designed and detailed, perfectly. That is one of the reasons why it is so popular to a lot of fans.

>>26410377
>arc-canine
>tiger

Anon, come on, you make a fool of yourself.

>>26410185
What the fuck does that even mean? The person who wrote this contradicts themselves multiple times in this image. Also why can't you guys just either like the games in their current format or not like them instead of just being autistic about it all the time?

>>26411026
Fuck you, praise the moon.

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>>26411773
"Reshiram is a white-colored, bipedal Pokémon with draconic, avian and mammalian traits. A long, voluminous wispy mane streams out from the upper side of the snout and outwards from its head. The top of this mane is adorned with two protrusions which resemble ears. Reshiram's face is fringed with spiky features, and it has a small, pointed extension below the chin. Its eyes have blue irises and black pupils. There are two pairs of pointed teeth visible when its mouth is open, one in the upper jaw and one in the lower."

You are retarded. You can't argue against me. Personally, I don't give a fuck about Reshiram, I was just giving an example.

>>26411692
Reshiram doesn't have spikes, those are feathers and its tail is a turbine.
>But when a Pokemon is UNNATURALLY over-designed, or over-detailed, that is when that Pokemon is utterly shit
First off that's incredibly subjective, secondly, who says pokemon need to be "naturally" designed?

You are just adding more pretense to these retarded arguments.

>>26411875
see>>26411870

Also, it's not subjective at all. Please post a Pokemon that fits your claim against mine. Also, note that I said unnatural AND over-designed/over-detailed. Post a Pokemon please.

You can't.

>>26410185
Memes aside the new legend literally does look like a digimon tho.

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>>26411870
>>26411963
Man, there's nothing sadder than an idiot who thinks he is smart.
I guess eevee has spikes now, what an edgelord.

>>26412012
But those are natural you fuck. You can defend your shitty Pokemon all you want, but in the end, it's still a shitty Pokemon you moron.

I'm still waiting for >>26411963

>>26412012
#REKT
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>>26410185
You're comparing a 1st generation pokemon to a 7th, let me repeat, a 7th generation legendary pokemon?

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>>26411870
"Magby is a bipedal Pokémon that has a red body with a yellow, flame-shaped marking on its stomach. Its head is covered with large lumps, and it has a rounded, yellow beak. There is a single spike on its back and it has a tapered tail. Its short arms have three clawed fingers, while its feet have only two clawed toes. Magby can breathe 1100°F flames, and hot embers drip from its mouth. Its health is determined by these flames. Yellow flames show that a Magby is in good health, while flames mixed with a lot of smoke show that it is fatigued. Magby normally lives in volcanic craters. However, it can be seen living in towns. "

You are retarded. You can't argue against me. Personally, I don't give a fuck about Magby, I was just giving an example.

I am absolutely not a genwunner, but i really do think a lot of legendaries are a bit overdesigned

And among Lunaala and Solgaleo soly looks worse

>>26412045
Once again those are natural why did you cirlce Magby's claws? Hence why I didn't circle Reshiram's claws. Get fucked.

>>26412042
>You're comparing a 1st generation pokemon to a 7th, let me repeat, a 7th generation
Yes, the discussion is about how designs changed in later generations compared to early ones. Good catch.

>>26412012
>>26412035
>>26412045
Ignorant retarded faggots everyone.

>>26412033
You are just adding more arbitrary rules to justify your opinion as fact

>Please post a Pokemon that fits your claim against mine.
My claim against you is that you can't justify why pokemon need to look "natural" and what decides what is natural or not, especially when we are talking about a goddamn giant bird dragon.

>>26412099
I never said a Pokemon needed to look natural. Reread my post again.

>>26412139
But you are defending eevee's spikes by saying they look natural.

>>26410273
Sort of agree with you

The reason for newer generations featuring more complicagted designs for me is that Sugimori simply developed as an artist after some 20 years of constant practicing and just want to draw to the best of his skill, regardless of people's own opinions on how Pokémon should look.

I mean, no one here is comparing players and NPC's designs to previous generations, though those have evolved as well, right?

>>26410282
Fuck you he's awesome

>>26412152
Yeah, because they are ACTUALLY natural. Go look at my Reshiram post, and see that I didn't circle Reshiram's claws, although I will say I did get carried away with circling Reshiram's tail point and fur fluff.

>>26411773
>>26411875
>>26412012
>>26412045
>>26412099
Now if you guys actually want to have a discussion (or argument, I'm down with whatever) go ahead and write your counter-claims. I'm gonna get a hair cut before I head into work. And please, actually put thought into your arguments instead of this blathering idiot>>26412045

How embarrassing.

>>26412245
>>26412255
So? Why are they natural? Why does reshiram have to look natural to be good? I'm still waiting for a justification.

>>26412302
I didn't say they had to be natural to be good though. There are plenty of natural over-designed or over-detailed Pokemon that look like shit too. I just didn't bring it up because my example was what most mean by 'overdesigned' is either over-detailing or what this guys said here>>26411716

>>26410452
You dont really get it, kid.

>>26411742
>Arcanine was a legendary

>>26412350
You did say that all the "unnaturally over-designed" pokemon are shit, and I want an explanation because to me, that's just more subjective arbitrary bullshit that doesn't add anything to the argument.

>>26411095
Gen 6 has the best ratio of good designs IMO

63 out of 70 are actually great

>>26412350
>>26412302
FUCK I meant this guy>>26411352

>>26412407
You're very forgiving if you truly have this opinion.

>>26412391
Wait, you want an explaination to why they are shit? Or an explaination on how they are shit?

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>arguing about aesthetics without stating the criteria as to why it should be considered aesthetically pleasing
aka where are the proofs?

>>26412436

Bad designs:

Delphox
Diggersby
Klefki
Meowstic
Spritzee line
Goodra

Pyroar and Slurpuff have some problems but they're alright.
Pretty much all the rest are good.

Nigger

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>>26411870
Holy fuck, most overdesigned Pokemon ever. Literally a sphere made of spikes.

>>26412439
Not seeing what's the difference in this case, but start with the why.

>>26412475
You're truly forgiving and merciful person

>>26410337
Top-right is ok, I guess... but yeah, most of those are terrible

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>>26412475
>>26411304
>shitting on pokemon designs
>in 2016
This is a toughie, how about a load of this?

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>>26410337
>Yokai watch has shit designs so its ok for us to have low standards for Pokemon designs!

K
Y
S

>>26412701
I want that bathtub girl, what is she called?

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>>26410185
they mad cause its true

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>>26410185
>contradicts self before halfway through the text
>"overdesigned"
Opinion discarded. Enjoy not liking any new Pokemon because you'e an idiot OP.

>>26412475
>Klefki
>Meowstic
Laughing at your bad taste

>>26412743
kukui is an spy

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>>26410185
Daily Reminder that THIS is the worst pokemon to ever exist and should be removed. lets see genwunners defend this peice of shit

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>>26412862
fixed

>>26412720
Considering how the series started, not having low standards would be strange.

The autism in this thread is unbearable

>>26412966
The series that started on a low budget 20 years ago? I didn't realist it was still 1996.

>>26410185
I hope its stats are making it a special attacker,

>>26413030
Low budget doesn't excuse having shit designs from the start.

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>>26413075
>shit designs from the start
I want underage to leave.

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>>26413097

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>>26413113

>>26410185
>Little creative thought put into it

What creative thought was put into Arcanine? Its literally a Shisa with black stripes. There was no thought put into it besides "hey these stripes look cool". If you removed the stripes it'd really just be a cartoony version of a Shisa.

>>26413097
>>26413113
>>26413130
You're not proving me wrong, you know.

>>26411303
>he's still salty from the match

>>26410452
B T F O

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>>26413166
yeah those shitty fucking gen 1 concept designs are so much worse than this those fucking genwunners amirite epic reddit BAZINGA xDD

>>26410722
Arkaninefag

>>26412953

give him golden digimon armor and he'll be modern

>>26413198
What a great post. Really smart and thought provoking. You are very eloquent, anon.

>>26412475
>Klefki
>Meowstic
get out

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>>26413238
thanks I try

>>26411870
>Thinking Reshiram's feathers are spikes
Imagine being this fucking dumb

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>>26410185
>makes an appeal to objectivity without taking purpose into account

lrn2critique

>>26412475
>Pangoro
>Barbaracle
>Aromatisse

>good

>>26413339
>Talking shit about Pangoro
kys

>>26413339
The Spritzee line includes Spritzee and Aromatisse. Barbaracle is perfect.

>>26410452

>Pyroar has less details than Arcanine

That just means it's cartoony blob GARBAGE

>>26413379
>Furfag: the post

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>>26410185

>>26410337
While this post reeks of relative privation, it could be taken to mean that the PKMN fanbase could learn a thing or two from the YW fanbase about being grateful for what they have

>>26411024
I wanna fuck Noodleneck.

>>26411203
Doublade is better because it's entirely possible for people to wield two swords at once. A lot of emblems, coats of arms, or wall-pieces consist of crossed swords.

I've never seen three grown moles stick together like glue.

>>26412862
That's not Bellossom

>>26412701
>HURR HURR HURR SHIT IS BAD IN AFRICA SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN

Fuck Africa, and fuck you.

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>>26413504

>>26410680
They should look good on the boxart.
But they have almost never had a pose that made them look good. XY coming to mind as looking good. They really should do away with the early reveal pose.

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Gen 1 has 150 pokemon
Gens 2-6 have 570 pokemon

If 10% of Gen 1 pokemon designs are shit, and 10% of later gen designs were shit, then the design quality would be consistent throughout but there would be 42 more bad later gen pokemon that gen 1 pokemon.

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>>26414110
>and 10% of later gen designs were shit
More like 70%.

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>"that are incredibly over designed with little creative thought put into them"
This makes no sense
>"mah dog-tiger fusion is perfect"

>>26410773
What are kalos and unova? I've heard johtoddlers, hoennbabies and sinnohfoetuses but I've never heard about kalos or unova. Kanto may be genwunners but that is just speculation..

>>26414742
Kalosperm, Unovabortions.
Fuck, how new are you?

>>26410452
Both look terrible.

>>26414775

So... are the next gen fans Alolatwinkles?

As in, "A twinkle in your dad's eye".

Who gives a shit about designs, really? Is there a pokemon design out there that NOBODY on earth like, at all?

>>26411026
please stop posting this shitty dark souls meme image

>>26414955
Aromatisse?

>>26414906
Aloleggs, to go with Kalosperm

>>26414955
Stantler maybe? Or Plapitoad?

>>26410185
>their

>>26411051
Neither is abortion, and that's probably the best one besides the original johtoddler.
Can't go much further back when we're at Kalosperm now anyway.

>>26410185
>a Gen 1 standard pokemon is being compared to a Gen 7 legendary to say 'all modern designs are terrible'

when will this ignorance end

>>26411742
'POKEDEX CLASSIFICATIONS EQUAL LEGITIMATE LEGENDARY STATUS GUISE I READ THE POKEDEX'

you're a goddamn idiot, what's Growlithe then?

>>26415373
He is referring to an early ashnime episode, not the dex.

>>26415399
yeah, when the Anime started, Gen 2 was already being made, that's why they had a design for Ho-oh to use in the first episode, Arcanine was never a Legendary, it's just called 'legendary' in it's Pokedex listing, as it's type...because it's an unidentifiable mix of tiger and dog.

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>>26410282
I like Reshiram a hundred times more than Zekrom. Zekrom looks like it has a buttplug sticking out of it; at least Reshiram has one of those animal tail buttplugs instead.

>>26410185

How can we properly criticize Solgaleo's concept design if we don't even fully know what that concept is yet, other than being a lion with some relation to the Sun? It may have a very good reason for looking like a space suit. For all we know it could even be an artificial lifeform.

>>26410185
I really hope you didn't make this image OP.

I'm just laughing so hard that you actually believe this. You don't know shit about art.

>>26415452
Anon, they're a Genwunner trying to push 'all mdern designs are terrible', do you think they /aren't/ ignorant?

>>26411024
You're far more autistic than OP. PLEASE tell me you aren't the same person and go into every thread with this shit.

You have to be someone else just shitposting, right?

>>26410452
YOU'RE A FUCKING ADULT. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THERE, THEY'RE, AND THEIR

>>26410185
>says that it isn't because the design is 'too complicated'
>proceeds to whine about over-design
The fuck outta here, boi.

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The problem with the new legendaries isnt design, its the color put into the design.

This shit, this shit RIGHT HERE is what automatically makes a design stop being pokemon. Pokemon designs are simple solid, flat color, what we have here is a galaxy texture that is NOT FLAT at all. .This breaks every principle thats ever gone into designing pokemon, and its lazy and unispired, because all it is, is a galaxy pattern stretched out underneath, this is CHOWDER tier design work.

It also looks fucking pathetic, its like they saw the Galaxy starmie meme and figured it was a good idea.

Pokemon Sage did something equally stupid, they had a legendary with stars for wings that didnt even work, but at least their design coach had common sense to say: Hey, this doesnt look right" and make the official art the sealed forme.

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>>26413198
>>26412862
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this

>>26415515
A friendly reminder to fuck off. Yokai are fine, they're not designed to be appealing, they're fucking monsters and ghosts, if you'd watch the show, you'd understand that, but you're nothing but a meme spouter. you probably think yokai watch is a "pokemon killer" too.

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>>26415431
This is from episode 2.

>>26415515
>Hatting on whuzhat

Theres a special place in hell for people like you.

>>26415534
then perhaps it's classification comes from an ancient civilization that revered a normal pokemon the same way they did to the birds.

there's no fighting it, Arcanine is not a legendary and never was, it's a Growlithe that got a little too close to a fire stone.

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>>26415534
>anime being cannon
>EARLY anime being cannon
loving
every
laugh

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>>26415511
I'm like 90% sure that the galaxy pattern is their brain like pic related

also fuck off it looks cool and suits their theme

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>>26415550
>Arcanine is not a legendary pokemon

>>26415568
oh fuck off, read a few posts back, this has already been covered you dick.

>>26415568
>Chinese

Indian Elephant Tier Memeshit, trash it.

>>26415568
it doesn't say that its a "legendairy pokemon"
it just says that it is legendairy, chineese, and a pokemon.

>>26415550
just like Diancie is just a mutated Carbink

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>>26415565
>It looks cool

Maybe to a 14 year old. They look and feel like fakemon, Pokemon have always been solid color. period. Never deviated. These things have sparkles and galaxy textures and whatnots by default, it looks like something some deviant art autist whipped up, it looks like a """COSMIC""" type pokemon

All I had to do is type cosmic in deviantart and this shit comes up.

>>26415568
>that filter

gross

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>>26410837
are you niggers even trying?

>>26415607
>equating those two things.

Carbinks are, first of all less common than Growlithe, and the Mutation is a hell of a lot rarer than finding a goddamned fire stone.

>>26415614
>Pokemon have always been solid color. period. Never deviated.

You're right, I hate when things change. Everything should just be the same as previous gens so we can blame the developers for nostalgia-pandering.

>>26410185
The problem with this is that I don't really know the concept behind the Sun legendary yet.

Yeah, it's based off of a lion, but there's obviously more to it than that. If they just wanted to make a lion they could have done so much easier. Even if they wanted to there's already a lion Pokemon. If it looked too similar to Pyroar the flak they would have gotten would have been immense.

In fact it doesn't matter what it looks like, people would hate it no matter what anyway. It's a no-win scenario.

>IT LOOKS TOO MUCH LIKE PYROAR
>IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE A LION
>UGH ITS SO OVERDESIGNED
>ITS SO SHITTY FROM A CONCEPT DESIGN PERSPECTIVE

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>>26415679
Being different just for the sake of being different is just as bad. Consistency is not an evil.

>>26415679
Dude, stop.

Pokemon is iconic, why? Because they're recognizeable.

If pokemon goes the way of digimon and other RPG monsters, what the hell makes them discenernable from any other Game?

Pokemon NEEDS to be its own thing to thrive. This shit? Aint it.

>>26415515
>>26412701
>>26411024
>>26410337
>being THIS autstic
>samefagging this hard

Please go back to r/Pokemon, little child.

>>26410185
>their
Fucking learn to write before you try next time.

>>26415727
>ITS SO SHITTY FROM A CONCEPT DESIGN PERSPECTIVE
i fucking hate people who actually unironically say this. its not like there is any sort of objective design philosophy rule-book, and as such saying that something is "poorly designed" is just as meaningless as saying that its "bad"
its literally just
>muh opinion becomes fact is fact if i word it differently.

>>26413625
It's supposed to represent wack-a-mole machines fucknut.

>>26415771
He is a regular shitposter here that is best left ignored, newfag.

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The Pokemon designs was only kept simple do to the technology limitations at the time.

now 3D rendering allow for more creativity in there designs.

crying about getting more detailed and colorful designs is pretty stupid.

>>26415751
>Being different just for the sake of being different is just as bad.

But you don't actually know why it's different. You just know it's different and assume it's for the sake of being different.

>>26415768
>Pokemon is iconic, why? Because they're recognizeable.

I mean, some of them, sure. Back in the day they were all pretty iconic but nowadays? Not so much.

I don't really get what you're saying. All Pokemon should be designed so that they're immediately recognizable as Pokemon? That basically restricts all designs to Gen 1 standards since they're the most recognizable Pokemon aside from a few special cases like Lucario.

Would a person who knows little about Pokemon know Pineco is a Pokemon? Budew? Basculin?

Not to mention this thing is gonna be on the cover of the game. It's hard to be any more recognizable than that. I don't see how its design differs much from other mascots, who are always pretty distinct.

I'd argue the things that make the Sun and Moon box legends stand out make them more recognizable, not less.

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>>26415835
>The Pokemon designs was only kept simple do to the technology limitations at the time.
>now 3D rendering allow for more creativity in there designs.
>crying about getting more detailed and colorful designs is pretty stupid.

>>26415863
Dude its simple design philosophy.

One look at Golurk, Chandelure or Galvantula? Pokemon. Easily recognized as a pokemon, Simple shapes, curved lines, flat color.

This lion thing? Hardly. Even Yvetal was a stretch, it looks nothing like an established pokemon, it could be replaced in any RPG game and it'd fit right in, it looks like it belong in Mega mans universe more then pokemon. It could even pass for an SMT demon. but not a pokemon. not this time.

>>26410337
I would bro the fuck outta that mosquito and moth thing

>>26415887
>it looks nothing like an established pokemon

So now all new Pokemon have to look like pre-established Pokemon?

Sorry but I disagree on a fundamental level. Pokemon would never look different if this design philosophy was in place.

>>26415835
This
This
This

>>26415929
> Pokemon would never look different if this design philosophy was in place.


And why is that an issue? Pokemon is amrketable. People want the same shit over and over, why do you think pokemon is still the same stagnant formulaic rpg instead of being an Open world 3D skyrim clone?

>>26415950
>And why is that an issue?

Because different things are nice sometimes?

Are you complaining about the design being different AND complaining about how stagnant Pokemon has become? That's a bit contradictory, isn't it?

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>>26415835
So much bullshit in one post.
>more detailed and colorful designs
The designs have gotten worse though.
>3D rendering
Fucking N64 3d models look better than most of the new 3D models.

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>>26416009
>Fucking N64 3d models look better than most of the new 3D models.

But that's fucking wrong.

The animations may look better but the models themselves are excellent. They're actually a little too good for the 3DS' shit hardware.

Just because you don't like that they're washed out doesn't mean the models are worse.

>>26415835
>The Pokemon designs was only kept simple do to the technology limitations at the time.
Then why is>>26413198 so fucking simple and lacking in detail? Even most first gen pokemon have more detail than this.

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>>26410185
>exessive
Finish elementary first and then come back

>>26416072
Almost all of the Mythical Pokemon have simple designs.

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>>26416098
Keldeo is literally a detailless MLP blob, It barely even qualifies as a horse.

>>26415568
>>26415619
>>26416009
>>26416140
Why is it always genwunners?

We get it.

>T-THIS NEW SHIT ISN'T MUH POKEMON

Just fuck off if you're determined to hate it at this stage.

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>>26416009
>The designs have gotten worse though.
Entirely subjective. More effort and care put into design does not make a personal preference on astetics objective you fucking retard.
>Fucking N64 3d models look better than most of the new 3D models.
Bullshit. The new models are close enough to resemble the official artwork and they have not failed by aesthetics.

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>>26416176
b-b-but your a genwunner!
fuck off faggot

>>26416176
this.

Seriously, if you guys all hate it so much, why don't you just leave the active fanbase alone? you're determined to drag us back to a past that no longer exists.

Gen 1 happened, get over it already

>>26412701

>Capture bacon
>Name it Kevin

Perfection. Is it still Yokai Watch?

>>26416140
How is Ponyta/Rapidash any different?

>body is one solid color
>different colored hooves
>eyes
>mouth
>horn

They both have everything a horse has, what's the beef? Keldeo has a softer design because it's supposed to look young in order to resemble d'Artagnan, the youngest member of the Musketeers.

Ponyta and Rapidash have the flames because that's their thing, Keldeo has the plumage resembling a cavalier hat because that's its thing. Rapidash has a horn because of the unicorn imagery, Keldeo has a horn because it needs a "sword".

I don't see much of a difference between the two designs. What makes Keldeo so much worse?

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>>26416229
>drag us back to the past
>implying any of you underage unovabortions where even around

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>>26416208
>stiff poorly colored offmodel designs with shit animations
>close enough to resemble the official artwork
lolk

>>26416252
it has bright eyes and Gen 5 came out shortly before the MLP reboot and Genwunners don't know the chronology of events, so they think it's a brony-pandering design.

because they're literally retarded

>>26416263
>don't have an argument? just call the person you are arguing with underage, that will show 'em

>>26416272
Brony pandering or not its still a garbage design and anyone that defends it are part of the reason why pokemon has slowly degraded to shit.

>>26416263
Yes, grandpa. You being older than me certainly makes your opinion about Pokemon more valuable than mine.

>>26416263
>implying

bitch I'm 24, I've been playing since the start.

so sorry the gen one games are all functionally decrepit pieces of shit by today's standard, but hey, you genwunners'll eat anything that's nostalgic to you.

>>26410365
>>26410724
Please post context.

>>26416281
it's not a garbage design, it actually has a fucking theme that's more than a single word long, because pokemon designs have evolved over the years.

apparently it's too complex for you to grasp

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>>26416284
Im talking about gen 1 designs not functionality but way to change the discussion faggot. My favorite gen is 3 and even I can see the huge drop in design quality past gen 4.

>>26415527
This. Fucking this.

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>>26416311
>it's not a garbage design
wrong

>>26416325
don't get uppity with me after your last post, shithead, you asked for this.

>>26416281
>>26416342
Are you going to try and support this position at all or are you just going to say what you think and pretend it's remotely objective?

>>26416342
way to ignore the discussion, faggot

Gen 5 came out before the MLP reboot

>>26416325
>I can see the huge drop in design quality past gen 4.
>>26416342
>>it's not a garbage design
>wrong
>MUH OPINIONS ARE FACT
>I HATE POKEMON TODAY, YET I STILL BROWSE AND SHITPOST ON A BOARD DEDICATED TO IT
why don't you people fuck off?

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>>26416343
don't get sand in your vagina

>>26416378
it's a little hard when I'm up to my thighs in your salt, anon.

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>>26416374
>why don't you people fuck off?
make us gigafaggot

only one of these two examples has actually been designed.

>>26416400
why don't you justify why you're still here, then?

>>26416400
>the reading comperhension of a 5 year old
that wasn't a demand you retard, it was an honest question
why the actual fuck are people like you here anymore?
all you ever do is bitch moan shitpost flame and whine. if you hate the games so much why the hell are you still here? i assume you wouldn't go to /mlp/ if you didn't like it, so why do the same here? just to post your opinion over and over like its some sort of objective fact?
what the actual fuck is wrong with people like you?

>>26415768
>Pokemon is iconic, why?

Because they're fun, easy to play games that caught on with kids in the nineties. Plus they were Japanese and Japanese was cool to kids in the nineties, it's where Dragon Ball Z came from.

>>26410337
>shitting on chatalie
i will murder you for you shit taste

>>26415826
>newfag
I think you should head straight back to r/Pokemon with him.

You don't know what a newfag is, child.

>>26416442
Severe autism.

Only excuse for getting mad at kids games. And I am autistic, so I know when I'm looking at another autist. Going to a Genwunner thread? It's like I'm in a damn carnival mirror maze.

>>26416621
>And I am autistic
Oh I can tell.

>>26411341

I agree with everything of your points except for the fact gen 5 is bad is a good generation and plenty of people love it.

>>26411341
care to give link/source to everything you just said? Otherwise, I can pull shit out of my ass to prove OP's point just as you did

>>26415887
>It could even pass for an SMT demon

Invalidated every thing you said with this retardation right here.

>>26414248
why are you even here then

don't shit on the later gens nigga, most of gen 2 and 6 is better than all these ugly as shit or simply uncreative mons in gen 1

>>26410452
Doesn't this just agree with OP then...?

>>26416252
It's in the execution. Ponyta/Rapidash looks like a horse with a fiery mane.
Keldeo looks like a cartoonish caricature of a horse.
compare the musculature and structure of the legs and the mouth. Rapidash's will come closer to looking like a real horse.
I won't say whether that's a good thing or bad thing (entirely too subjective a topic to make that kind of call) and if they had just made a basic looking horse but with keldeo's unique design elements, I doubt it would stand out as much (cries of laziness would run rampant I'm sure) so I can see why they might've wanted to do something different, but I will say that it definitely highlights a change in the art direction as the series has progressed.