Gen 7 Nerfs

>>26380439
if it isn't broken in VGC it isn't gonna be nerfed.

Megakhan might get nerfed.

>>26380439
>wanting to nerf Scald
>not Steam Eruption

>>26380439

Nerfed to 25% chance to burn.
To compensate for the change all STAB attacks now have innate Serene Grace

if anything fairy should get nerfed

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>>26380632
I hope you're baiting because otherwise you're legitimately fucking retarded.

>>26380640
>wanting dragon types to be powerhouses again
No thanks. Fairy did more good than bad.

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>>26380637
muh dick at both changes
quag buff, volcarona buff, who else wins big here?

>>26380663
Still, shit should just resist Dragon, not be outright immune to it. Most dragons learn a Steel-type move anyway.

>>26380439
Status moves accuracy all halved, but they get a "STAB" for accuracy, doubling their accuracy.

Examples:
Will-O-Wisp down to 40% accuracy but up to 80% if used by a fire type

Dark Void has 40% accuracy unless used by a dark type, in which case it has 80%

Spore has 50% accuracy unless used by a grass type in which case 100% accuracy

Etc. etc.

I just want to see Smeargle raped and burnt before being dumped to NU the little cunt

>>26380743

Did you have to kill every ghost to do so?

>>26380763
Maybe give them better sleep moves or something. Makes more sense for ghosts to be putting things to sleep than setting things on fire.

>>26380743
You're doing more harm to several Pokemon who depend on moves like that than good by wanting to nerf Smeargle. You do realize this, right?

>>26380640
I think bug types should resist fairies not vice versa. That way half of psychic types don't resist bugs now

>>26380782
>>26380763

I realise this. I'm just so fucking sick of seeing smeargles with dark void every second game on Battle Spot.

I can't think of any better solutions though

>>26380743
This may be the craziest thing I've read on vp. Eh, I hate smergal too but it just kills certain mons in lower teirs but fuck mega sablete too. Won't happen but it'll be interesting. (1.5 sounds fair)

>>26380632


just fucking nerf both

honestly they should just be removed from the game entirely. I don't think either one is salvageable.

>>26380802
>Sketched moves stay at 1PP

Ayy

>>26380763
>>26380780
Retype Will-O-Wisp to Ghost. I always assumed it was Ghost anyway, and it's not like there aren't other moves of different types that allow for status.

>>26380676
actual serene grace users.

>100% flinch air slash from skymin or togekiss
>100% flinch iron head from jirachi
Think next time nigger

>>26380802
Git gud

>>26380802
>dark void now doesn't exist
easy as pie

>>26380823
I assumed it wouldn't stack, whatever little faith I have in GF I think even they wouldn't fuck that one up.

>>26380439
git gud m8

>>26380663
Only for low-level play. Bad players don't lose to dragons as easily as before, that's all it did as far as dragons go. For higher-level play, fairy did far more harm than good.

>>26380802
just run a delibird with a chesto berry smdh -_-

>>26380828
>>26380842
(You)

>>26380818
>>Sketched moves stay at 1PP
I like this. Or at least Sketched moves can only have half the PP that they regularly do.

>>26380828
Sick of having to deal with the same shit every game. Smeargle seems to be almost as common as Primals, with Dark Void it's very strong, stronger than some of the restricted mons.

>>26380823
>100% headbutt flinch chance on Dunsparce

Would this make it OU

>>26380868
It's just b8 anon, ignore them

Make smogon cry, nerf stealth rocks

>>26380843
Explain further please.

>>26380640

>fairy is added to the game to check dragon-types
>instantly becomes the new most overpowered type

bravo Creatures

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>OHKO moves do not benefit from No Guard

>>26380897
>Psychic was OP in Gen 1
>has been paying the price ever since

Balance isn't real

>>26380901
Done nerf my gimmick Machamp before it ever even has a chance to shine

>>26380439
OK faggot. If I grab throw hot water at your balls what happens?

>>26380926
What.

>>26380926
Making sense doesn't make it a balanced move you stupid cunt

>>26380924
>gimmick Machamp
No Guard Dynamic Punch is Machamp's gimmick

I would love to see Scald get nerfed, 10% chance to burn would be about right.

Knock Off needs to dropped a peg or two as well; I'm glad it got a buff but now its a little too strong. As it is now there is no reason not to have it on every pokemon that can have it and spam it with impunity.

Talonflame's HA gets changed to Reckless or Rock Head (the pre-evos still retain Gale Wings)

>>26380926
Your hand will probably hurt.

You saying the user should get burned?

>>26380901

?

no No Guard pokemon can learn OHKO moves at this point in time. the only guaranteed OHKO in the game is Mind Reader + Sheer Cold Articuno

>>26380439
Delusional smogoncucks never fail to amuse me.

If it's not overpowered in doubles (eg Stealth Rock, Scald) it's never getting nerfed, period.

I fully expect to see a nerf to Parental Bond and maybe the -ate abilities coming in Sun/Moon though.

>>26381069
>Machamp learns it via TM in Gen 1
>Sun/Moon will allow transfers from VC Gen 1 games through Pokémon bank
You seem to be out of the loop.

>>26380802
They shouldn't have unbanned Dark Void in the first place.

>>26380439
Sheer Force + Life Orb really needs to have Life Orb damage still apply.
also REMOVE GENIES

>>26381085

>switch in a flying type

gee that was hard

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>>26380632

>implying Steam Eruption is seen nearly as often as Scald
>Only used by one pokemon and it's not even released yet

Summer sure came early.

>>26380977
Depends on whether they actually meant it to be a legitimate move, or just a "haha it's water type but it acts like fire" thing.
Drop its damage imo.

>>26380877
why use it over jirachi or togekiss

>>26381162
>not even released yet
Check GTS. Volcanion was released in Japan a few weeks ago.

>>26380977
>Knock Off needs to dropped a peg or two as well; I'm glad it got a buff but now its a little too strong.
How's this for a nerf:
>Ability: Clingy
>This Pokémon angrily refuses to lose their held item. If a Pokémon with this ability is attacked with the moves Knock Off or Thief, the damage the attack would have dealt is instead directed toward the opponent. Switcheroo also completely fails.
How broken is it?

>>26381105
>predicts switch
>stone edge
Well shit…

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>Scald's Burn Chance reduced to 10%.
>Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt have their status chances increased to 20% when the user is Fire/Ice/Electric type.

>>26381196
>predicts switch
>stone edge
>didn't switch
>machamp dead
Well shit...

>>26380621
This.
Fucking this.
The game is balanced entirely to fit in VGC.
6v6 singles is a fan made meta and gamefreak/nintendo couldn't give two shits about it.

>>26381196

>switch in skarmory or rotom-wash or bronzong

wow man im really workin up a sweat here

not sure if I can keep this up any longer

>>26380977
Remove 50% bonus for knocking off an item.
Reduce BP to 60.

>>26381235
>gamefreak/nintendo couldn't give two shits about it
and yet they buffed Defog to get rid of entry hazards for both players

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>>26381257

Oh boy, more ways to abuse Technician.

>>26380743
smeargle IS currently NU

>>26380439
Instead of nerf other status moves need boost.
Prove me wrong.

>>26381285
that's the plan

>>26381330

Good, I actually wouldn't mind more buffs.

>>26381278
Defog gets rid of other things, not just hazards

Burn: Lowers Attack by 25%. Loses 1/8th of its HP at the end of each turn.

Freeze: Lowers Sp.Atk by 25%. 25% chance to do nothing when attacking.

>>26380439
I believe they will lower it rightfully to 20%.

>>26381360
Wouldn't mind a Freeze rework, the current form is dogshit.
Keep it out of Ice Beam though, water types don't need ANOTHER reliable status.

>>26380621
>>26381235
Not exactly true. VGC and doubles is just their tournament format, they still support their own singles/triples/rotations formats. Anything smogon related however is obviously irrelevant.

>>26381401
3v3 singles

>>26381424
Yes I mentioned that

>>26381257
I'd be okay with that. Its the 50% buff that hurts the most.

What was the point of getting of steel's resistance to dark and ghost?

>>26381025
That would be half a measure to balance Scald. The user also has 30% chance to get burned whenever it's used

>>26380910
>Ice had one OP move in Gen 1
>it was nerfed mid-generation
>it's never recovered
>fairies and other dragons took its niche

Did any other types suffer as badly as these two as time went by? At least Rock was always bad.

>>26382153
>use Milotic
>Scald burns you and opponent
>Ability gives you +50% def
>Huge HP/Def/spDef when trained right
>give Milotic leftovers
>just keep recovering until enemy burns to death

>>26382112
Because Steel was OP as fuck and needed a nerf, also because it didn't make sense for it to have those two resistances.

>>26382112
>ghosts, being intangible, phase through steel's defense
>dark moves are sneaky and "go for the chinks in the armor" so to speak

>>26381228
Seems fair. It never made sense that Water-types were better at burning than Fire-types.

>>26380439
I've stopped counting the number of times a Flamethrower attack with its measly 10% chance of causing burns has burned my pokes while Scald has seldom affected my team with burns despite its higher chance of burns.

What if Scald reduced the opponent attack instead of burning it?

>>26382369
Flamethrower is more common.

>>26381186
Not really too broken, but makes sticky hold completely outclassed
Not that it would be new to GF (fucking though claws being better than iron fist in every possible way)

>>26382160
>implying water types are the real ice types.

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we need a new status water type move like "drowning" it dops both defenses 15% and 1/8 of damage each turn, if the weather is rain doubles drop defenses.
fire moves cant be used, if youbuse an electric atack is instant KO.

The burn chance should be nuked to 10%.

I can't count the times I've been caught without and edge over a switch in, and I just hit Scald over and over until someone get burned. Often, against swap happy faggots, I'll burn 2 or more pokes before letting my lead die. Makes the sacrifice well worth it.

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>>26382746
>buffing water-type

>>26382112
So Aegislash wasn't broken as shit.

Prior to the steel nerf, ghost/steel didn't exist, and it would have been easily the best defensive typing in the game; and super easy to fire bait into some fucker who absorbs fire.

Still waiting for a ghost/fighting type.

>make Bug SE and resistant Fairy

>make Ice resist Water and Dragon

>Scald has 20% chance to burn and 70 power

>-ate abilities no longer confer the 30% power boost

>Parental Bond's second hit does 25% and doesn't apply buffs, doesn't work with Seismic Toss, etc.

>OHKO moves don't work with No Guard

>Gale Wings only works for moves with less than 60 power or status moves

>Magic Room and Embargo now prevents Mega Stones from working

>>26380844
Sure let me just run a very specific Pokemon just to counter this other very specific Pokemon even though Delibird is fucking shit

>lower crit damage to 1.5
>lower stab damage to 1.25
>factor defensive buffs into crit damage
>swapping out pokemon restores non consumable items knocked off by Knock Off

>implying GF gives a shit

>>26382826
Crit damage is already 1.5x silly

>>26382834
I meant to say super effective damage.

Damage in this game is way too high, and it sets the meta to "EVERYTHING FAST AS FUCK WITH HIGH DAMAGE MOVES; SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP".

The most egregious example is crits factoring in offensive buffs while also ignoring enemy defensive buffs. That's beyond shenanigans tier.

>>26380439
Changes I want to see
1. Buff crits back to 2x damage. The hell is this 1,5x gay shit? I want the fun days of Super Luck Scope Lens high crit chance moves Absol back.
2. Buff Explosion back to its pre-gen 5 strength, or failing that give Electrode a new exclusive signature self-destructing move that isn't just a light tickle to most Pokemon.

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LEAVE SCALD ALONE! IT DID NOTHING WRONG!

But seriously, it only just now hit me after all these years that scald has a higher burn rate than fucking FLAMETHROWER. That's legitimately hilarious.

>>26382848
Well, it wouldn't make much sense if you're under attack boosts and then getting a crit does less damage than it would do without a crit

Criticals ignoring defensive buffs would also just create dumb stallwars so I don't think that's a good idea either

>>26382859
Scald needs altering as it basically makes Surf pointless. A little more power isn't a good trade off for a fairly reliable burn + decent power

Scald either needs a power drop or a reduced burn chance.
Make Scald 65 power + 30% burn
or
Make Scald 80 power + 10% burn

>>26380743
You're fucking stupid.

>>26382863
It's a fine idea. Consider what a fucking pain in the ass it is to stack any defensive buffs at all. To invest turns into using 1 or 2 defensive boosts on a waller, only to see a "lolcrit" completely ignore it, is bullshit. It's why there are no high tier waller sets that use defensive buff moves. Literally nothing above mediocre tier uses sets with purely defensive buffs. The most you can hope for is shit like Calm Mind.

>>26382876
Rather see it do 20 power +60% burn chance. Now you actually have to think about who you'll have learn Scald.

>>26382784
This scrub can't break 1200 and is butt blasted because of it.

These """"ideas"""" will be more detrimental than helpful.

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>>26382876
And people laughed at me when I said I preferred to use scald over surf and hydro miss in the maison with greninja...Those burns add up and saved my butt so many time.

I know it needs a nerf but i'll be admittingly sad if/when it happens.

>Ice no resists flying, water and dragon
>Hail buffs Ice mons SDF
>Posion is SE on water
>Electric is SE on Steel
>Bug is neutral to fairy and ghost
>Fairy is neutral on Fire
>Psychic and grass resist Fairy
>Rock resists itself
>Rock gets viable moves that don't miss
>Prankster and Galewings are now negated if paralyzed
>Prenatal Bond does 25% damage and no status boosts and Kangashkan can't learn fake out anymore
>Will o wisp accuracy is now 80%
>Either give scold 90% accuracy like rock slide or reduce the burn to 10%
>Give electric a move like nerd scold
>An electric physical move with 80 power and 100 accuracy
>Psychic types can't get confused
>Grass types heal a little like ice body when in the sun and their defence and S defence doubles but speed goes down a stat in rain

>>26380439
I want either:
>Stealth rock to do neutral non-super effective damage
>Alternative entry hazards to stealth rock of other types (that cannot be stacked)
>More moves that clear hazards from the field (and bring back defog as obtainable)

any of these would be fine. I just want to be able to see a new pokemon and not immediately have to consider if stealth rock shits on it or not.

>>26383013
>I just want to be able to see a new pokemon and not immediately have to consider if stealth rock shits on it or not
Stop letting yourself be cucked by Smogon then, it's a non-issue in literally every format except 6v6 singles

>>26380802
>not being able to outspeed a fucking Smeargle

Anon.

>>26381186
Sticky Hold exists you know?

>>26383022
>t
But stealth rock is still absurdly good in doubles. Doing solid damage that ignores defenses to both of the inactive pokemon when they enter is always value, and even moreso if they do a switch, which is rare but very possible.
>inb4 'just dedicate an entire quarter/sixth of your team to hazard removal lol'

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>>26383042
>But stealth rock is still absurdly good in doubles

>>26383042
6v6 doubles maybe

VGC is too fast paced to be dicking about with entry hazards

>>26383061
okay, maybe not absurdly, but it's definitely above average. A defensive poke can do a lot more damage to the opponent's team with a single stealth rock than they can trying to attack a wall. Percentage-based damage that ignores stats is always very strong in literally any game.

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>>26380743
>Wanting to kill my bro
>absolutely shit way to do so

Stay ebin

>>26382237
>OP

Steel has never been OP

>GF will NEVER nurf water and fire
>GF will NEVER buff bug and rock
Why even bother

>>26383042
>>26383081
No it's garbage, don't know why you're pretending to know anything about doubles

It's also not just doubles where Stealth Rock sucks, 3v3 singles it's used sparingly and is never used in triples or rotations. If anything it will honestly get a buff.

So uhh...how does one go about nerf gale wings without outright making it shit?

>>26383154
Too late now but it shouldn't have been given to any Pokemon with Brave Bird. Best they can do is just not give it to stuff with attacking stats over 70 or something

>>26383154
>gale wings needs a turn to recharge. you can use flying type attacks a secound time, but without the priority
>drop the 1/2 and 1/32 stealth rock damage, e.g. volcarona takes 25%
>sticky hold now disables knockoff

>>26383154
Make it so it gives priority to moves under 60 like Technician

so it gives weak moves like Aerial Ace, Pluck, item-Acrobatics, Air Cutter more use
While still makes status moves like Tailwind, Roost, Feather Dance priority as well

Hi, I'm Masuda Gamefreak. In Gen VII we'll introduce the Radiation type to balance out some stuff.
It's immune to Bug, grass and rock
It resists poison, dark, psychic and ice
It's weakness is water, fairy, dragon and flying
It does absolutely no damage on fire types

>>26381235
This.
>Entire game is based on how the pokémon world functions, you learn 1v1 skill battles, new mechanics and strategies
>Doesn't matter because "competitive" is about doubles

>>26382826
>wanting Stall: The Experience

>>26383247
This would be pretty good actually.

>>26381180
Volcanion isn't officially out you colossal retard.

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>>26381105
>>26381196
>>26381254
Yea. It's that easy. So why exactly do faggots want No Guard Fissure banned again?

Aerilate is there. Fucking Talonflame is there. Levitate. Sturdy. That's a type and two abilities that stop the "rape train".

I either see people claim it is too OP, when it's not--or claim it's useless, so they don't want it to happen. I mean, if it's useless, why do you want it banned?

>>26382899
Dubs has some pretty fucking wild ideas. I'd love to see Smogon make Scald like this for a month to see what happens.

>>26380439
Yes anon we should increase it to 75% to make Will-O-Wisp absolete.

>>26382859
It make sense. Because hot water burns you faster than fire.

>>26382876
Surf is better for dubles.

>>26383936
>burns you faster than fire
Stick in your hand in an actual fire and see how skin is left compared to hot water.

>>26383601
Yes it is you dumb nigger.

>>26383601
Yes it literally is you collossal faggot

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>>26383936
lol wut?

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>>26383936

>>26383936
wat!?

>>26380708
>i wand fery do be nerfed so i can sbam oudrage again :DDD

What, such thing even exists? I mean, how can water burn up people if water is the thing which heals burns? How come are the japanese allowed to get away with this and us americans are the dumb people in the world?

>>26383936
You don't burn yourself faster, you burn yourself more easily.

>>26384076
>How can water burn you
Water doesnt burn you up it simply destroys your skin through pure heat in the form of hot water, if you dont believe me just pour some boiling water on your crotch then tell me how much skin you just lost.

>>26384107
This is bullshit, fuck you. Are you dense?

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>>26383936
anon are you okay

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>>26384123
Boiling water can destroy your skin wherever it lands infact anything above the temperature of 90C placed on your skin for more than 3 minutes will destroy your skin.

>>26383936
Is the new "the moon is clouds"?

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>>26383936

>>26384143
Stop trying to bait me, you are fucking dense. How come I use water to heal my burns?

Knock off needs to lose the boost it gets from knocking off the item. 65 base power is already plenty enough for such a strong utility move.

Scald needs to go to at least 20%

Ice needs to resist Fairy. Ice needs the defensive boost and Fairy needs a small offensive nerf.

>>26384157
>Scald needs to go to at least 20%
it IS at least 20% :^)

Fighting resist fairy, both are hero/good type.
Fighting SE Bug.

>>26380640

Fairies don't need to be nerfed

Their weaknesses need to be more prevalent

Posion and STeel needs more attacks with better distribution

>>26382826
Look at that unaware Clefable boosting itself into oblivion and you can do nothing about it
F U N

That being said, evasion needs a nerf. Could easily be fixed by giving evasion only one plus stage. 25% chance to miss is bearable, it's like paralysis. Accuracy can stay the way it is as a simple switch will remove all the -stages.

>>26382826

The entire point of Crits is to ignore defense

Nerf the damage, but not the effect

>>26383036
Did you read the rest? The damage from Knock Off would instead be dealt to the attacker. Only slimy Pokémon, literal garbage and Accelgor have Sticky Hold too.

>>26383608
Because not every Pokemon has Flying type, or Sturdy/Levitate, or Focus Sash as an item

>>26380632

>Gamefreak giving a fuck about balancing Pokémon with a BST over 600 aside from Archeops and Slaking.

>>26382775

Aegislash was very much broken as fuck. It's so broken, in fact, that I thought banning M-Mawile (a Steel/Fairy Mega with Huge Power) was a mistake but entirely agreed with the Aegislash ban.

Just a broken as fuck pokemon whose only bad stat was Speed, but even then it benefits from being slow because of its gimmick. Every coverage move and boosting move it needs to fuck every kind of team sideways. Fuck that mon.

>>26382826

Could it be any more obvious that this fucker plays stall? You already play the most mindless playstyle in the meta.

>30% chance
>always burns my Pokemon

>try to use a move with a 90% chance of hitting
>it fucking misses every time

Fuck competitive Pokemon.

>>26381173
you just use all 3 and watch as inner focus sees a massive increase in usage

>>26381228
i like it

>>26380793
This is exactly what I was thinking. Nerfs fairies just a bit while giving a little boost to bugs.

>>26385481
>wanting bugs to be stronger
For what purpose?

>>26384603
>Archeops
>BST over 600

Scald definitely needs to be lowered to only 20% or 15% chance of burn. Or have it's base power lowered to like 60 or 50 or something. Now it's way overpowered. Also I wouldn't mind healing lowered to only healing 40 percent. And a new damage formula that increases how much attacks do now by 20 or 30 percent. Stall is way overpowered.

>yfw freeze mechanics get changed and a 100% freeze status move is created but only has 50% accuracy.

Just GameFreak things.

>>26382784
>Bug buff
I like it
>Ice resistances
Agreed on water
>Removing STAB from -ate abilities
Just give them functionally no ability, then.
>Parental Bond debuff
Yes
>OHKO No Guard
Literally one Pokemon and it's not even out yet. If you lose more than one Pokemon to Machamp using Fissure after the release then you're an idiot.
>Gale Wings debuff
ACROBATICS STILL SHINES shit idea
>Magic Room/Embargo buff, kinda
No

>>26384153
Kek

>>26384186
>Fighting SE bug
FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

>>26381235
>6v6 singles is a fan made meta

Have you even played pokemon ? was Hoenn your first gen ?

>>26384330
Yes but it's not like your entire team wont have one. Also, newsflash, like half the metagame outspeeds

>>26380969

Not when SM comes out as long as Gamefreak doesn't go full retard.

>>26386573
>Removing STAB from -ate abilities
>Just give them functionally no ability, then.
If I recall correctly, -ate abilities boost normal moves' power in addition to them now getting STAB.

-ate abilities are ok. Gale wings is bullshit. I hope they nerf it.

>>26388746
I hope they get rid of Gale Wings

>>26386649
>crush bug with hand or foot
>it's dead
Makes sense to me

Nerf ice types

>>26382753
The worst thing about scald is that you can't switch into the type that is immune to burn

>every single suggestion in this thread
I'm eternally thankful that none of you will ever make an executive decision in your entire lives

>>26381104
>also REMOVE GENIES
This right here they're fucking boring to fight against. Also remove Garchomp, Heatran, and Scizor I'm tired of fighting the same team for almost 8 years

A chance is a chance though. There's a chance you could use Scald 100 times and it would burn every time. The rng is fucking bullshit, pointless and ruins the game.

>>26390406
It's more fun than oh look it's Landorus-T, Garchomp, Klefki, Vaporeon, Gengar, Swampert again

>>26387082
>half

>metagame
The metagame is 100+ Speed minimum unless youre specifically designed to take hits or have priority.

>>26390518
I disagree. I think it's more fun and rewarding to utilise optimum pokemon, strategies and game plans rather than "Oh you're winning because you made all the right choices? Lol, I just got a critical hit and now I'm winning! I'm totally a better player XDDD"

>>26380621
>Xerneas

>Scald now has 65 BP and a 15% chance to burn
>Half Stealth Rock damage in total, but keep type effectiveness
>Gale Wings and Prankster are negated if Paralyzed
>Parental Bond's 2nd hit deals 25% damage, doesn't work for Seismic Toss
>Ice Resists Grass, Dragon, and Water
>Water Weak to Poison
>Fairy weak to Bug, Bug resists Fairy

>>26390835
>Fairy weak to Bug, Bug resists Fairy
For what purpose
Why do people always want to give Fairy another weakness? There are types like Electric with only one weakness and people don't give a shit about it.

It's more of a bug buff. Bug lost it's main niche after alot of Psychics were retyped to Psychic-Fairy. Besides, it's only a bug weakness. There's like 4 Viable bugs, and one of them is a setup. The others spam Aerilate or Technician Bullet Punch. Or they're Volcarona.
Electric isn't OP defensively either, unlike Fairy.

>>26391219
Meant to reply to >>26391184

I don't care about Spore... or MegaKhan... I dont

but Dark Void was a mistake

Dark Void needs to be stopped

It's NOT OKAY, it DESTROYS doubles

you should never have to dedicate an entire teamslot to a mon that's entire purpose is structured around dealing with one move that can only be used by two Pokemon

I don't blame Darkrai. Shitty idea for a mon, not my favorite design, but he's not inherently broken. Dark void is though.
Hell, I'd LOVE to love Smeargle again. One of my favorite mons as a kid, I loved meeting him in the Pichu Bros short.

Please God and John Q. Gamefreak please stop Dark Void before it's too late

I seriously can't face another VGC where it's allowed

>>26383947
>>26383982
>>26383995
>>26384016
>>26384016
>>26384130

He's actually right.

>>26384153
You're cancer.

>>26380822
Wasn't will-o-wisp ghost in gen 3?
I might be retarded tho

>>26380977
>Make knock off ghost type
Fixed?

But also, get gud m8

>>26382746
This idea is stupid, but I have a better one
>Whirlpool gets buffed in rain, 1/8 damage per turn and gives a 30% drop to defenses
>Fire spin gets buffed in sun, does 1/8 damage per turn and gives a 30% drop to attacking stats
>Sand tomb gets buffed in sandstorm, does 1/8 damage per turn and gives a 30% drop to speed

Also, if ground type attacks aren't already buffed in sandstorm, buff sand tomb by 50% initial damage

>>26390731
This is just a difference of taste. The right amount of RNG is what makes the game fun for many people. Then there are people who want more for some reason (swagger faggots, parafusion, etc) and the people who want none (autists who can't handle random events screwing up their CHECKUMATEU plans.)

Having enough RNG in a game keeps it from being stale.

>>26380977
>knock off needs to dropped a peg or two

please no, don't nerf dark types even more

>>26390056
Scald is the main reason I keep Gastrodon around.

>>26392344
Dark type should only get the damage buff from Knock Off.

>>26392466
down w/ this

>>26392466
And any other type stays at 65 power.

>>26392344
The thing is Knock Off hasn't really helped dark types any, when its available to almost fucking everyone.

>>26393048
but muh STAB

hey boys, i haven't played in a long time. i remember a while ago, i remember seeing here on /vp/ three types being spammed as the "holy trinity" of being OP. they were water, steel, and something else. what would it have been? maybe ghost?

>>26393099

probably dragon if pre gen 6, fairy if gen 6

>>26380977
Since Scald is a Lava-Plume clone, would buffing its damage but nerfing its status bring it in line?
Basically making it a Water type Flamethrower instead of Lava Plume

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24KB, 488x292px

>>26393099
desu its Fairy/Flying/Dark last I played

I want to see someone draw a Pokemon Gen6 version of the Metagolem

>>26393206
I think just nerfing the status chance would be fine, it doesn't need a damage buff. It should be a utility choice for water types, not an automatic pick.

>>26382859
Only three fire moves do better/equal Scald's burn chance: Will-o-wisp, Sacred Fire and Lava Plume. Latter two having only 2 and 9 FE mons that learn it respectively

>>26391184
Most electric types have shit coverage and easily walled and destroyed by one of the best offensive types in the game while most faires don't have that problem.

>>26393206
Surf is already the water-type flamethrower

>>26393099
Aside from gen VI (see >>26393230), there's:
Gen 1: Psychic/Normal/Water(not sure about the last one)
Gen V: Dragon/Dark/Fighting

Other gens are not that obvious