I hope we get a rabbit starter in the next gen

>>26375328
What about a mouse?

It will be a bear, and you idiots will pretend that bears are "practically rabbits".

>>26375335
Cyndaquil has filled that slot already

>b-b-but it's not a mouse
No, it's a rodent, and that's enough

>>26375328
We need a goat so I can make a pearls before swine team

>>26375371
Reaching

>>26375371
>cyndaquil is not a rodent
>fennekin is not a dog
>litten deliberately isn't even part of the zodiac
>reaching this hard

Anon, kill yourself, there is no zodiac pattern

>>26375371
See, this is the kind of stupidity I'm talking about. "Foxes are dogs". "All quadruped mammals are rats". "All cats are tigers".
It's not a pattern if everything goes, morons.

>>26375454
>a fire mouse is not a rodent

ok

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>>26375720
>Still holding on to the English translation error
Fuck the fuck off, cyndaquil is clearly not a mouse, he doesn't even have a fucking tail. I don't give a shit what the pokedex says, it also calls blastoise a shellfish and has a weird obsession with African elephants.

Cyndaquil is very clearly an echidna or a hedgehog or a porcupine- This is all obvious looking at its pointed snout, lack of an elongated tail and its firey "quills" in its back.
All three aforementioned animals have quills in their backs, and cyndaQUILL and QUILLava both have it in their names.
If you want something more, they also learn defense curl and flame wheel, referencing how hedgehogs and echidnas will curl up into balls

TL;dr, you are objectively wrong in every way. Go kill yourself, and let this fucking zodiac meme die with you

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i love seeing these threads

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>>26375720
>>26375799
Look at this motherfucker and tell me this isn't cyndaquil.

>>26375361
you say this every gen, yet so far no fire starter has ever been so blatantly away from the zodiac

>>26375834
>what is fennekin
>what is litten

>>26375860
Not as distant from their zodiac counterpart as bears and rabbits are.

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>>26375904
>Cats aren't even allowed in the zodiac
How the fuck is litten not definitive proof of zodiac theory being debunked

And a dog and a fox is a pretty damn big stretch when you look at stuff like houndoom compared to delphox

>>26375799
>Nezumi

I'd love to see a fire snek

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>>26375995
If an echidna can be a rat an a fox can be a dog, a slug can be a snake and a camel can be a cow.

>cyndaquil
>rat
Is this a joke?

>>26375371
>cyndaquil counts as a rat because it's a rodent

Do me a favor, go on Wikipedia and look up what order each of the unused zodiac animals belongs to, then look at what other animals belong to that order and ask yourself how many of them you'd consider "close enough" if the next fire starter was based on them. If it's a hippo, is that close enough to a goat or ox? If it's an iguana, is that close enough to a snake? If it's a rhino, is that close enough to a horse? I mean they're in the same order, so by your logic they must count. :^)

>>26375335
>>26375371
Cyndaquil is a shrew aka a mouse

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>>26376266
Read above, cyndaquil is not a shrew or a mouse or a rat

>>26376207
yes

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>>26376290
You're a cretin
Cyndaquil is literally a shrew with fire on its back

>>26375371
Hedgehogs actually aren't even rodents. Its Japanese species name is a pun on the word for hedgehog. More accurate translation would be "firehog" but a lot gets lost in translation so they went for a more direct one.

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>>26375328
i like this meme its so cumfy

>>26376380
I know this is bait but Cyndaquil is an echidna.

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>>26375799
>english translation error
stopped reading right there btw

>>26376569
Just look at which one looks more like Cyndaquil between >>26376380 and >>26375832

>>26376628
This one
>>26376380

>>26375328
I want a fire/steel Ox with a heavy metal ha for full power Heat crash and heavy slam

>>26375904
you havent even seen its evos dumbshit

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>>26376452
Hedgehog in Japanese is literally Needle Rat.
Cyndaquil's specie is Fire Rat.
Most importantly nezumi is the Japanese word used for the Rat of the Chinese zodiac.

>>26375799
The English translation is irrelevant. The source Japanese flat out use the same word as the Zodiac.

>>26376812
Again, blastoise is called the shellfish Pokemon, when there's no denying that it's a fucking turtle.

The pokedex entries are irrelevant because no matter how you slice it, cyndaquil is not a rat, but a hedgehog/echidna

See >>26375799

Go fuck yourself

>>26376920
Redirecting someone to a post they quoted makes you look a complete idiot. Every point you just raised I've already covered.

>>26376979
And yet you still haven't got it through your thick skull that cyndaquil isn't a rat

>>26376812
>The source Japanese flat out use the same word as the Zodiac.
Not only that, but hinezumi is the name of a mythological creature which is literally a regular rat with fireproof fur.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%81%AB%E9%BC%A0

Hence why they have Flash Fire instead of a good ability

>>26375371
What are you talking about? It's literally the Fire Mouse Pokémon.

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>>26375371
>>26375430
>>26375454
>>26376178
>>26376207
>>26376290
>>26376380
>>26376452
>>26376569
What the fuck is wrong with all of you?

>>26375328
>Gen 12: they are forced to make a fire horse starter.
"But that's just Ponyta"
>They get an idea.
"All of the 12th region's starters are returning classic pokemon, but with new evolutionary lines!"
>Rapidash's evolution is a horned Pegasus, Fire/flying type.
How mad is /vp/ at /mlp/?

>>26375328

FLAME SNAKE

>>26377191
>muh dex entries

Anyone who isn't blind and retarded can see that Cyndaquil is based on a shrew.

>>26377034
Rekt. Anti zodiacfags BTFO

>>26377468
>he still keeps listing more animals that are considered nezumi
Just stop.

>>26377468
Anyone who isn't blind or retarded can see that Game Freak says Cyndaquils is a mouse. It doesn't matter how much you call it a shrew, it fits in the zodiac according to GF.

>>26375328
Mice aren't rats

>>26377468
It's an echidna/hedgehog. The fire on its back is supposed to represent quills.

>>26377508
>No tail
>Quills
>Dex categories not making any sense anyway

Literally fuck you all

Zodiac is fake, explain charmander, fennekin and litten

>>26377501
Shrews are Togarinezumi. Echidnas are Harimogura.

When the Japanese use just the basic term "Nezumi", they're generally only referring to the rat or the mouse. They can (and do) distinguish between rodents and non-rodents.

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>There are people who still thinks Litten won't be a Sabretooth Tiger.

>>26377191
As much as I hate to admit it, its Japanese dex entry calls him fire mouse as well. It's apparently based on a legendary rat that lives in volcanoes in China. Not sure why they made it a tenrec or hedgehog or whatever, but it's clearly based on a legend of a rat.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%81%AB%E9%BC%A0

Afterwards Quilava and Typhlosion are volca.no pokemon to continue that theme.

I'm still not sold on Fennekin though. Yes foxes are canids, but foxes are pretty distinct from dogs in terms of symbolism

>Zodiacfags believe Litten to be a tiger
>Leaks say jaguar
One way or another, someone is getting BTFO, maybe both

>>26375454
>litten isn't part of the zodiac
>haven't seen final evo
Please stab a knife through your temple, preferably the right one.

Gen 2 has always been odd one out. And 5/7 is what proves it, that the 2 that "disprove" it.
>There's no way Charizard isn't a dragon
>There's no way Blaziken is not a chicken
>There's no way Infernape isnt a monkey
>There's no way Emboar isn't a Pig
>Litten is almost guaranteed to be a tiger
It's not hard

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>56 replies
>no one fixes OP's image

>>26375995
Well Pignite is a pig-rabbit thing, hell Tepig has rabbit ears so Tepig counts as two.

>>26375328

buh but pokémon aren't animals so none fo the zediac works!!!!

>Fennekin
>Dog
Are you even trying? I think you need to give up

>>26375328

Rabbit-kangaroo hybrid fire/fighting for Oztrahlea region.

>>26375328
Instead of a rabbit, how about a fucking beaver? Still counts as a rodent, right?

>>26382216
Rabbits are Lagomorphs. Not Rodents.

>>26381300
The only person more ass blasted than you right now is Chris Taffer.

>>26375328
It's going to be a dodo and you'll all be convinced it's close enough to be the sheep.

>>26382238
So you claimed last time. But look, a Tiger.
What a mighty coincidence.

>>26382244
>But look, a Tiger.
in what universe is a housecat a tiger

i want to know because i want to tell people i raise three goddamn tigers

>>26382245
>Has tiger markings on head and paws
>It totally won't evolve into a tiger guys!
So stubborn.

Ugh... Another stupid Zodiacfag

>>26376107
Fennec Foxes are different from other foxes. In my opinion they are even less dog like but I think it isn't too far from the zodiac. I doubt they looked at it so literally but I do believe it exists.

The pokemon are BASED on animals, they are not precisely the animal they represent
Why are Antizodiacfags stuck on "But an echidna isn't a rodent" when half of the fire starters are litteraly on fire ?

>>26382356
>they are not precisely the animal they represent

Then you do not precisely have solid evidence to support your hypothesis.

Why is this so difficult for you Zodiacfags to grasp? You can't just change the goalposts every time something inconvenient comes up.

>>26382245
>in what universe is a housecat a tiger
In the same universe that a lizard evolves into a winged dragon

>>26377191
>>26375328
Cyndaquil goes from being a shrew to a combination of a generic/gestalt Mustelid (badger, ferret, etc) and a sun bear. Although it is true that none of these inspirations are rodents and that Cyndaquil's title probably comes from "shrew mouse" rather than an actual mouse (like calling a prairrie dog a dog, say), if you actually think this is not enough for John Gamefreak to file them under Mouse you must be autistic.

>>26375328
Fennekin is a canine
Cyndaquil is a rodent
Get over it 4chan, zodiac is real

>>26384560
>goalposts
Nice meme

>>26375832
That doesn't look like cyndaquil

there I said it

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I don't care for the Zodiac theory,

I've waited THIS long for a Tiger Pokemon in my LIFE and i'm not gonna let these fake leaks ruin it for me.

>>26384560
>THEY NEED TO BE PERFECTLY AND COMPLETELY ACCURATE TO THE REPRESENTED ANIMAL OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!1!
Why do you kids want GF to be this restricted?

Either way, foxes are basically dogs, and GF specifically called Cyndaquil a fire mouse for a reason. So in the end, zodiacbros are right and anti-zodiacfags are wrong.

>>26385690
/thread
Everybody can go home now.

I hope we get a dog starter next gen.

>>26385690
Because if you're not going to use strict definitions, your theory becomes non-falsifiable, because zodiacfag autists will just stretch anything to fit into their shitty pattern. If your theory is non-falsifiable, it's invalid.

>foxes are basically dogs
If you believe this you're a fucking retard. A chimpanzee is more closely related to you than a fox is to a dog. Do you believe chimpanzees and humans are basically the same? Should Chimpanzees have the same rights in human society as we do? Should the word "we" in this context refer to both humans and chimpanzees? Kill yourself.

>>26385690
>>THEY NEED TO BE PERFECTLY AND COMPLETELY ACCURATE TO THE REPRESENTED ANIMAL OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!1!
>Why do you kids want GF to be this restricted?
Zodiacfags everyone

>>26385690
>implying fox are dogs
new meme right there

>>26385690
FUCKING THIS EVERYBODY

A theory doesn't have to relate exactly 100%. Like the theory that all water types are based off of household appliances. Just because there's a few bumps, like how a starfish isn't EXACTLY a fridge doesn't mean shit.

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>>26375328
>>26375995
>>26376178
>>26381300
>not posting the rightest one

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>>26375371

>>26375328
>there is a legend that explain why the cat is not part of the chinese zodicac
>zodiacfags think a cat confirm their theory.

>>26375328
Look mom I posted it again
Stop it wasn't a think from the start


Charizard isn't a Chinese dragon

This is bullshit,a fox isn't a dog

Ffs use your brains
We have to think of this like a designer for Japan -

You wouldn't make a bunch of start pokemon vaguely humanoid, and then have one with a horned hat that throws thunderbolts and say "look at all these starters, they are obviously based on the greek gods! That ones so and so, thats one so and so, and this one is Zeus because it throws thunderbolts!"

"But wait my easily excitable friend, from its design it obviously resembles more closely Thor than Zeus, and thus is not based upon the Greek Gods.

"But they both throw thunderbolts, so its close enough. They are both in the thunder god family, so yes, it's based on the Greek gods! My logic is infallible!"

No.. just no. And just like the greek and norse gods are a big part of western mythological culture, the zodiac and the fox are both big parts of far eastern mythological culture, with the fox especially playing a huge role in Japan and being totally distinct mythologically from the dog.

Its like people who compare Arceus to the Abrahamic God - you're thinking of it like a westerner and assuming its the creator's intent for it to be western, but it ain't arceus you niggers

5 out of 7 starters fit slot perfectly


1 out of 7 are called the Mouse Pokemon by Gamefreak, yet people still pretend they know better than the makes of the game

So that's 6/7 that fit

The last one nearly fits. It's so close that it has to be intentional.

7/7

>>26385690
>they are restricted their fire starters to the zodiac
>they don't need to be restrict
You make no sense man

>>26385995
>A theory doesn't have to relate exactly 100%

Except it literally does, or do you not understand how basic theory verification principles work?

You can modify the theory so that the animals are merely inspired by the Zodiac, but since the postulation of your now-modified theory is far more vague and non-specific than before (since literally dozens of different species can fit now as long as they belong to the same family) then your theory fails to be replicative and is thus reduced to a baseless hypothesis instead.

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>>26386454
More like 3 out of 7 fits th slot

A lizard isn't a Chinese dragon and charizard isn't a chinese dragon

>>26386454
Litten, Fennekin and Cyndaquil are not part of the Zodiac.

>>26386454
>5

How?
A cat is a tiger now?
A lizard is a dragon now?

>>26382266
It has cat markings on its head.

>>26386454
>It's so close that it has to be intentional

Friendly reminder that you all said the exact same thing back when you were theorizing that all Grass starters were reptiles up until Gen 6 happened.

Look how that turned out.

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>>26386487
>the chinese made up there own dragon
>therefore, every instance of "龍" only refers to the chinese dragon
Can't make this shit up.

How mad will people be when we get fire horse as a starter?

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>>26385690
>Why do you kids want GF to be this restricted?

It's so painfully, hilariously ironic that a fucking Zodiacfag is ACTUALLY asking this question.

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>>26386543
>I'm going to make this based on chinese culture,but I'm going to make nothing like it's one the Chinese culture

>>26386292
>implying anyone gives a shit about these legends
As far as GF is concerned, a cat is good enough to represent the tiger, and that is all there is to it.

>>26386893
Stop


Just stop