Litten is not the Zodiac Killer

>>26238772
Cyndaquil is.

>>26238805
>>Cyndaquil is.
>>Species: Fire Mouse
>>Mouse=Rodent

>>26238772
Before anyone says that Litten doesn't fit for tiger, realize that GameFreak isn't against making domestic cat based Pokemon evolve into big cats. Meowth was a Siamese cat that evolved into a mountain lion and Purrloin was a black cat that evolved into a leopard. So Litten can easily evolve into a tiger.

>>26238901
>Blastoise is:
>Species: Shellfish
>Clam = Turtle

>>26238805
Cyndaquil is a fire mouse.

And before you say "MUH INCORRECT TRANSLATION", they could have "fixed" it in later games, but they didn't. That objectively means that Cyndaquil is intended to be a mouse pokemon.

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>>26238805
>Cyndaquil is.

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>Fennec Fox
>Dog

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>>26238772
I will never understand the Zodiac meme. Yeah, Pokemon are based on animals. Those same animals are on the zodiac thing. And? Maybe they're just.. making animals? Without some big plan?

>>26239208
How many gens will it take to convince you?

>>26239475
They obviously aren't going to reuse an animal idea for another starter of the same type, fucking kill yourself this whole fan theory shit is retarded

>>26238805
>Cyndaquil is.
>supposed to be the rat
>el rato zodiac killer

/pol/ was right all along.

>>26239599
Sure thing buddy. See you next gen when we do this whole thing over again.

>>26239671
Yeah.

>i-it's technically an ox

>>26239093
the fuck is that?

I remember noticing the zodiac pattern independently of the Internet when tepig was announced. By that I mean I didn't know the theory was already a thing.

Anyway, fennekins ears make it look like a papillon, which is an iconic french dog. Cyndaquil definitely counts as a rat since it's obviously some kind of rodent.

And even if Litten weren't Tiger, there's still that 13th zodiac member concept, the cat, that got left out so it would still fit in anyway.

Things that could actually be zodiac killers:
Some kind of non animal (like a fire/rock lava golem pokemon)
Any repeats on the zodiac (technically not a killer but really would put a lot of doubt out there)
Any animal not on the zodiac at all (insects, flying birds, bears, etc)

>>26240215
>it's obviously some kind of rodent.

Like this one? >>26239093

>>26239033
But what if litten is a bobcat

>>26238772

I wonder what they're gonna have for 13th gen fire starter?

>>26240675
Ted Cruz

>>26240728
But that's Cyndaquil.

>>26239475
12

>>26238772
what does this matter? so what if they're taking starter pokemon from the zodiac?

>>26241150
Some people are adamantly saying they're not

>>26241208
so what if they're not? why does it matter at all?

>>26238772
¿Does that zodiac means we will get 5 more gens?

>Implying tabby's are tigers

Don't you remember the shadow play? Unless it evolved into a tiger zodiac is killed.

>an echidna is a rat
>a fox is a dog
>a housecat is a tiger

ZODIACFAGS WHEN WILL YOU LEARN

>>26241349
*> implying all cats are tigers.

>>26241380
>Humanoid birds aren't chicken
>Chimps are not monkeys
>Salamanders aren't dragons
>Pigs aren't boars

There you go, all the fire starters don't match with the Zodiac

>>26238772
It is, read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_zodiac#The_Great_Race

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Anti-Zodiacfags wanted a Fire starter that didn't conform to the zodiac at all like a bear, elephant, bat, etc.
They can argue about technicalities all they want, but in spirit they lost hard.

>>26241310

They will use the other Zodiac, you know, Gemini, Virgo, Leo, etc...

>>26241807
This.

Anti-Zodiacfags are the biggest loser to ever exist. Hell, even owlfags and Zygardefags are still alive. Anti-Zodiacfags, on the other hand, got completely destroyed in every single way by GF themselves.

It feels fucking good to be a member of the Zodiacbro team, since it gives me the rights to laugh at the pathetic Anti-Zodiacfags who think they're anything but retarded and unintelligent subhumans.

So basically, get fucked Anti-Zodiacfags. We Zodiacbros has won forever for all eternity, and there's literally nothing you can do to change the facts that you're eternal losers and should be put on the suicide watch.

/thread.

>>26239475
>implying they are going to make a fire horse starter after ponyta/Rapidash

>>26238772
What if they only have 11 of the 12 signs and gen 12 fucks it up?

Litten and Tepig stick out so bad.

>>26242174
>implying they are going to make a fire fox starter after vulpix/Ninetales

I love how anti-zodiacfags fucks themselves over every time they try to disprove the zodiac theory.

>>26242174
They can make multiple Pokemon of a specific type based on the same animal or species, for instance we got Infernape in Gen 4 and then a single Gen later we got Darmanitan and Simisear, 3 Fire primates within two Gens.

>>26241974
cats arent tigers, cats have their own mythos in the zodiac and arent tigers

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>we have to put up with 18 more years of this shit

>>26242174
Probably they're going to spin the concept, like they did with Fennekin

A fox is not a dog. A lizard is not a dragon.

>>26242299
>and then Litten evolves into a tiger

>>26239599
You're retarded. Not even your parents like you.

>>26242174
They could make a bulky Fire type Mule/Donkey

>>26240828
that's reasonable

Since when fox=dog
You guys are in fucking denial

>>26242588
Since I fucking said so. Delete your post.

>>26241227
Because zodiacfags and denialfags are fucking retarded.

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>fox
>dog

>>26242588
canine, but whatever

>>26242662
foxes are not canines they are vulpines

t. bio major

I'm more excited about the idea of a fire ox or snake coming up

>>26242750
For someone who claims to be a biology major, you sure know fucking jackshit since canines and vulpines are closely related enough that you can consider foxes to be dogs.

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>>26242750
You know this is a game aimed at kids right? If they look similar enough they'll run with that

>>26242775
I want to see the goat

>>26242799
Potatoes share 50% of the same dna as humans
With your logic we can consider potatoes humans

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>On all levels except biological, I am a dog
>[barks]

>>26242799
>since canines and vulpines are closely related enough that you can consider foxes to be dogs.

You literally cannot do this

>>26242279
That's because a burning monkey is a based af concept.

>>26242799
This is the most ill informed post I've ever seen congrats

>>26242911
That doesn't even make sense


Dogs and foxes doesnt look similar only your autist would consider that a dog

Stop being in denial and just accept

>>26243028
kek

>>26240215
Oh man, I would love to have a firefly starter

>>26240215
>being this much in denial
Some butterflies wings looks like owls


That doesn't make them fucking owls


It's gen 6,5 all over again

Are we really arguing a Canidae can't stand for a dog? If fucking Cyndaquil whatever it is can be accepted as a rat I don't see the issue here.

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>>26243925
>whatever it is

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wut wut

>>26243925
Cyndaquil looks like a rat to me


But there's no way that a fox is a fucking dog

Hell even letting a fucking cat go as a tigger makes 200x more sense than a fox being a dog

>>26244120
We still don't know if Litten will evolve into a Tiger

>>26244156
So fucking what


You think that a fox that turn into a bipedal fox that turns into a fox in a dress should count as a dog ?

Litten is a fucking cat that will problaly turn into a lion
It isn't a fucking tigger you fucking flaming faggots

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>Starts as a cat, which was tricked by the rat
>Evolves into a tiger and becomes a proper zodiac

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>>26238772
Litten is not a tiger.

Cyndaquil is super debatable and literally the only argument you faggots have for it is "hurrr fire mouse".

Fennekin is not a fucking dog.

I doubt they're going to introduce another snake starter. The only argument is if it was several gens from now but that's iffy at best.

There's already a fire horse, and besides autists like yourself, nobody actually wants a Ponyta reject just so retards can say the zodiac was fulfilled.

>>26239033
>So Litten can easily evolve into a tiger

Fennekin could easily have evolved into a dog. Cyndaquil could easily have evolved into something more rat-like.

They didn't.

>>26238772
>gen 8 starter is a kangaroo
>b-but kangaroos are rabbits, I swear!
You faggots will perform enough mental gymnastics to cling on to anything that proves muh pattern. Dogs aren't foxes and cats aren't tigers.

Zodiac lives on another generation, phew

>>26244796
>Litten evolves into a lion
>"L-Lions are close enough to tigers! It's INSPIRED by the song in the Wizard of Oz!"

>>26238901

>Ho-oh is:
>Species: Bird
>Penguin=Bird

>>26244819
Wrong it died on second gen with cyndaquil

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>zodiac fags

>>26239787

Solenodon, you unresearched moron

>>26244975
Wrong, Cyndaquil is a rat.

>>26245016
Cyndaquil is a echidna

>>26245005
This analogy is entirely correct.

Olly was an insufferable little shit who just refused to die for several seasons despite being a retard that literally nobody wanted to be around. Zodiacfags are exactly the same.

>>26239070
mice arent rats anymore than chimpanzees are gorillas

>>26245175
Sure >>26244018

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>>26244526

>I doubt they're going to introduce another snake starter. The only argument is if it was several gens from now but that's iffy at best.

>>26245350
There's never been a seal starter before.

>>26239093
take a look at that snout!

>>26245350
Oshawott is an otter you nigger.

>inb4 "durrrr Samurott is a sea lion" despite clearly having the markings of a giant otter

>>26245439

>Oomura: I said, “How about a sea otter for the Water-type?” But if a sea otter were to evolve, what would it become? That’s where I hit a wall. Eventually I said that if a sea otter was to evolve, it would transform into something completely different.
>Oomura: I was a little worried, so I went to watch the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to see the sea lion show, I noticed how strong the sea lions were. I thought, ah, I’ll try combining sea lions and otters together. I came up with the idea of them fighting by using the shells on their stomachs like swords, and Mijumaru and its [next] evolution were completed.

Straight from the horse's mouth.

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>>26238772

>>26242933
>food analogy
Also that's fucking wrong you bitch

I want a bull, a rattlesnake, or a jackalope.

>>26247073
>Bull
You mean a minotaur

>>26244819

It was never a thing

>>26244796

This.

>>26247166
You just know that GF will hop at the chance to make it a fire/fighting bullfighter.

>>26247166

Bull calf that turns into a minotaur.

Fire/Poison blaznake when

>>26242237
So now it's a fox and not a dog?
Zodiacfags aren't even consistent

>>26246892
Ok change potaotes to monkey and 50% to 85% if that makes you happy

>>26242933
>Fire starter is a baked potato
>"POTATOES ARE RAISED BY FARMERS JUST LIKE SHEEP, THUS IT'S A SHEEP, ZODIACFAGS WIN AGAIN"

>>26247625
Just pointing out the shit logic in >>26242174
Besides, fox = dog.

>>26247689
Next time you go to a pet shop see if they are selling foxes in the dog session

Salamanders and dragons are the same thing basically; fire-breathing reptiles n shit with Charizard looking like a regular dragon.

Porcupines, echidnas, and rats are all rodents.

Foxes and dogs are canines.

>>26239131
>Canidae

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>tfw you realize you really want a fire snake pokemon

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>this is a dog according to zodiacfags

>>26247784
No

Yeah but whales and humans are mammals ,does that makes whales humans


No you nigger at least search something for 5 seconds before talk you shit

>>26247739
Next time you say that dogs has nothing to do with foxes biologically, prepare to get laughed at.

>>26247877

Any animal that doesn't lay eggs is a mammal dipshit.

>>26242437

can I borrow your time machine kid?

>>26247398

It'll probably be fire/ground or fire/rock seeing it's probably gonna be a rattlesnake since they live in heated environments.

>>26247934
No,any animal that give breast milk to their son it's a mammal
Also that doesnt make the post wrong

>>26239054
Blastoise is:

not part of the Zodiac :^)

besides who's to say he isn't full of gooey oystery goodness?

>>26247917
They share many things but they are clearly different
Not only biologically but in mythos they are different
You are just forcing a stretch when you realized your theory was wrong

GOOGLE VIETNAMNESE ZODIAC

SHIT BRIX

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Why would GF had so much thought on fire starter and grass/water be random animals?
Prehistoric grass has already proven wrong, your last bastion of autism is at the edge

>fire starter it's a flaming faggot

>"Faggots are made of cells and so is monkey zodiac confirmed"

Why is this still a things
You fags are modifying the fucking fags so it fits your dumb theory


That's not how the real world works

>>26248035
Except that the theory is right. You just need to use your imagination, logic and basic critical thinking.

>>26248113

The original Grass thing was being reptilian, which was broken with Chespin.

And then they went right back to it with Rowlet.

>>26248369
If I was logic I wouldn't need to use my imagination you fucking nigger

>>26248374
>The original Grass thing was being reptilian, which was broken with Chespin.
And that's why Chespin is the most hated grass starter.

The fans aren't fond of perfectly good patterns being mindlessly broken. You bet your ass that if there's a fire starter that actually manage to break the zodiac pattern, that starter will be righteously hated.

>>26248454
It was*

>>26248487
Anon, there never were any patterns

>>26248487
It's a fucking fox you fucking tard there isn't a fucking pattern

>>26248527
Yes there are. You're just in deep denial about them.

>>26248369
I'm using logic and basic critical thinking and that's why the theory doesn't make sense.
It's so obvious, come on, you guys are so in denial you need to make zig zag thoughts to get your points.
If it was clear, I would look to Fennekin I say "oh yeah, that's a dog' or to Typholosion "that's clearly a mouse"
But it's not the case
Just because A is related to B doesn't mean A = B
You and your siblings have the same parents but you aren't your siblings. Neither your cousins. Or that neighbor that looks like you.

>>26248565
He isn't the one in denail here fren

>>26248487
>The fans aren't fond of perfectly good patterns being mindlessly broken

You mean the autists on /vp/ aren't fond of nonexistent patterns being predictably broken.

You sound like a fucking idiot.

>>26248571
>I'm using logic and basic critical thinking

So you'll choose Litten, because it's intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor?

>>26247865
They're closer to dogs than racoons.

>>26248753
No they aren't


If I didn't knew what it was I would call it a racoon

>>26244526
>Litten is not a tiger.
>Cat with stripes
>Totally won't become a tiger.

>>26244526
>There's already a fire horse
We have 3 water seal pokemon.

>>26248664
>projecting

>>26247784
By this line of thinking you could almost shoehorn any Fire starter into fitting the zodiac.

Look at what's supposedly left, like the snake and the rabbit. Some reptile will be chosen for the next Fire starter and you faggots would call it a snake, meanwhile a kangaroo is selected for another gen and suddenly OH SHIT GUISE IT OBVIOUSLY REPRESENTS THE RABBIT.

And by the way, another fire horse is just not fucking happening.

>>26248779
They are as far as Taxonomy is concerned dear anon.

>>26248811
>We have 3 water seal pokemon

No, you have a seal, an otter, and a sea lion.

>>26248565
>B-B-BUT MUH HEADCANON

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>>26248781
Yeah there's no such thing as a striped cat

>>26238772
>there will be a fire ox starter someday
fuck

>>26248866
*two seals

Spheal and Seel

>>26248866
What are Seel and Spheal respectevley?

>>26240215
>And even if Litten weren't Tiger, there's still that 13th zodiac member concept, the cat, that got left out so it would still fit in anyway
Actually it breaks it since the cat its not a official member of the zodiac, there's a reason the lore says the cats holds a grudge against rats for stealings their place int he zodiac

>>26248834
>And by the way, another fire fox is just not fucking happening.

>>26248884
>implying it will stay a cat once it fully evolves

>>26248884
>Implying it will stay a tabby when it evolves twice

>>26248884
And you're totally certain it won't evolve into a tiger.

>>26248753
>>26248860
And that's my point
A tanuki isn't a fucking dog just because it is a canidae
In japanese media, foxes, dogs and tanukis are always different things and never matchup together

>>26244526
>There's already a fire horse
We have 5 frog pokemon.

>>26248923
Hell, we technically had two in the first gen

Flareon's more fox than anything else

>>26248938
And you're sure that it will evolve into a tigger and not a lion while it name start with a l
Also it's a fucking fox not a dog there isn't a pattern

>>26245793
Except Oomura said that Samurott was a fusion of a sea lion and an otter, so it's still not really the same as Popplio.

They've never done an absolute repeat of starters like this, so it's odd to think that they would create another snake starter even if it's a few gens later.

>>26248993
three of which are water types

We have a gazillion bird types, they're all flying

>>26245976
Thanks, I'll use this picture everytime I see a thread like his

>>26248960
No one ever claimed it had to be exact. Only that they're based on the zodiac.

What are you going to say next gen when we get a Ophidia/Bovid/Lagomorph/Equine/Caprinae?

>>26249021
It could be one of those snakes with forelimbs.

or a rattler.

there's many different kinds of snake, I mean we have multiples to begin with and they're all based on different kinds of snake.

>>26249109
I didn't knew that zodiac had a fox


That's neat

>>26249004
>And you're sure that it will evolve into a tigger
Extremely.

>>26249109
If it's BASED it is exact
You don't fry burgers and say it was based on french cuisine because uh... french also eat mcdonalds so it was based on what french people, therefore french cuisine
See? That's your bizarre logic

>>26248993
Frogs/toads have a lot of particularly distinct-looking subspecies and therefore a ton of design variability.

What the fuck would you do with a fire type horse? How would you make it remarkably different than the Ponyta line?

1 gen later:
>Its a cow so its an ox
>No its Pokedex entry calls it a barnyard animal so its a horse
>fuck u
>fuck u 2
>bitch its a sheep

>>26249157
We're counting Canidae. As in Dog-like Mamals. They're very closely related.
>>26249177
>If it's BASED it is exact
No.
>>26249186
Make it a Clydesdale/Shire/Iclandic/Painted horse? Or maybe a pony/mule just to annoy the anti's.

>>26249186
There's more than one horse breed that exists.

>>26238772
>Fennekin is a fox you fucking retard

>>26249308
Humans and apes are really close related that doesn't make monkeys humans
Holy shit you're retarded

>>26249186
Fire/Ghost horse

>>26249308
Holy shit how much you will stretch the facts before you admit that your autisc theory it's wrong

>>26249452
That would be lit

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>>26249109
>No one ever claimed it had to be exact

Which is why your theory doesn't have any strong evidence to support it. Once you start going "W-well it LOOKS like it!" or "W-well it's SORT OF related!" then you start backpedaling yourself into an endless cycle of logical fallacies.

>>26249360
Foxes are still canines, so it works still. How many times do we need to tell you this because your thick skull gets it?

>>26249466
Fox and dog arent much of a stretch. They're in the same family.

>>26248900

A sea lion and a walrus.

>>26249513
What fallacies? Foxes are in the same family as dogs, cindaquil is refered to as a mouse. We have a fire tiger and next gen it's going to be another related animal on the wheel. How many times does this have to happen before you realize it?

>>26249566
Calling a fox a dog it's a big fucking stretch

It's literally like calling a monkey human

>>26249302
You could at least do a little bit of research before shitposting.

>>26249526
It says dog not canines

It doesn't work you tard

>>26248487
>Chespin the most hated Grass starter
>when Shitganium exists

>>26249526
>Foxes are still canines

Wrong you retard, read the thread

>>26249526
They are fucking vulpixies

>>26249659
Foxes are literally just smaller loner dogs.
And there really isn't much separating us from monkeys, but there's less physical differences between dogs and foxes than us and monkeys.

>>26249680
Forgot my link.
http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/Zodiac/RatOrMouse.htm

>>26249526
>>26249566
Alright, let me give you retarded fucks a biology lesson.

The scientific term for "canines" is CANINAE, which foxes do not belong to.

Foxes belong to the VULPES family, not the canine family. Both caninae and vulpes are derived from the much larger family known as CANIDAE, which also includes completely distinct species like raccoon dogs.

In fact, foxes and dogs are not particularly closely related at all. They have more in common with raccoones than dogs genetically.

>>26249819
That still doesn't make foxes dogs


Holy autism and denial

>>26247855
>Vulpes

>>26249834
roasted

>>26242232
>that prediction
>those missed quads

So close

>>26249844
It's close enough that I wouldn't expect a normal person to throw this much of a fit over it.
The pattern is real. This new starter fully supports it. Anyone not obsessed with minor details can see it.

>>26249844
Foxes are literally classified under the canidae family tree. They are more closely related to canines then they are to felines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox

>>26249966
The difference between dogs and foxes is objectively not minor at all.

How the fuck did you people manage to graduate high school?

Come on now, guys, it's obvious that every fire starter doesn't fit perfectly the animals from Chinese Zodiac, but the similarities are very strong, this is undeniable.

>>26249727
People has warmed up to Meganium.

>>26249994
>he doesn't realize how big the canidae family tree is and what species it includes

Did you know that foxes and dogs are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum in that family? Did you know that foxes are more closely related to raccoons than dogs?

If Fennekin never existed and there was a raccoon Pokemon in its place, would you claim it represented the dog?

>>26250031
Well for one, my high school wasn't centered around the clarification of dogs and foxes.
Two, perhaps you can educate me as to the major differences that make this theory so unacceptable.

We need to take this shit to /an/

>>26250031
It has nothing to do with science or biology you idiot, it has to do with the shape and inspiration. Dogs and foxes are often considered to be closely related (even if they aren't biologically) so it makes perfect sense that a fox can fit in the dog piece of the zodiac.

The more you try to make this about actual biology, the more you come off as a fedora tipper.

>>26250126
No, screw those nerds.

>>26249994
Ok if you're going that far from the real facts you might as well say that they all are animals and put all the starters in the chart

>>26247861
Being a zodiacfag is a good way to be.

>>26250148
Ok I came to the conclusion that you're either really fucking dumb or just baiting


Either way you're a nigger

>>26250148
>Dogs and foxes are often considered to be closely related

Yeah, by dipshits

>>26250125
Here it's one
The zodiac says dog and a fox isn't a dog


It's not that hard to understand that

>>26250148
>Dogs and foxes are often considered to be closely related

By who? Retards?

If it's not about actual biology then what are you basing your argument on?

>>26250125
>His high school didn't teach basic biology

Top kek you must be some kind of hick

>>26248487
>implying Fennekin isn't universally hated.

Fennekin is a fox so I think it should go under ox.

>>26250251
And my argument is that a fox is close enough.
Why would that not be so?

>>26239131
Foxes are much more closely related to dogs than cats. Foxes are part of the Canidae biological family that includes wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes, and domestic dogs.

>>26250310
Because you're a retard and a fox isn't actually close enough at all

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>>26250310
Here ,you're in the bargaining
Also fox and dogs are nothing alike

>>26250273
Well it certainly didn't revolve around it at least.

>>26239070
Just like Blastoise is still a Shellfish.

>>26250335
So fucking what

It's like saying humans are closer to rats than to bananas


That doesn't make humans rats
Holy shit

Does anybody else think it may evolve into fire/dark?

>>26250345
>>26250360
Care to elaborate as to why?

>>26250410
Read the thread anon

>>26250345
Yes it is. As has been repeated over and over, it don't have to be a dog, it just has to be inspired by the dog part of the chinese zodiac, which Delphox is.

>>26238772
Its not a tiger yet.

>>26250423
But it's not inspired by a dog, it's inspired by a fox

Get it right

>>26250427
it won't become one either

>>26250423
>Delphox is a dog
>delphox
>phox
>being in this much denial

>>26250401
And that doesn't make foxes dogs
holy shit

>>26250454
Delphox is a fox, but it's inspired by the dog. It's not hard to underrstand.

>>26239033
>a baby tiger is a kitten

Dogs and Foxes are in completely different genera

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>>26250493
Yeah I can how much of a dog it is

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>>26249302

>Its a cow so its an ox

That's what Japan taught me when they pumped out a bunch of lactation-themed art for the last Year of the Ox.

I'd be much more willing to believe it if you could use some standard as evidence instead of literally anything you want.

For some its the first stage, for others its the final, for some you use the pokedex and ignore what the animal actually is, for others you ignore what the dex and what the animal actually is and just say good enough. We don't even know of litten is going to evolve into a Tiger yet, and cats are very specifically left off of the zodiac because the rat fucked them over.

>>26250493
>muh zodiac

If they wanted something inspired by a dog, how hard is it to make a dog pokemon? Not very.

>>26250421
I did. The argument seems to be "They're not closely related enough to count." and I'm curious about the specifics.

>>26248781
>>26250520

>>26250265
You'd be surprised. Most people know a fox is a fox, and a dog is a dog, but they're considered rather similar in a lot of regards, primarily in how they look.

Most people don't know the specifics of biology and don't really care for them. Hell, people still aren't inclined to believe that dinosaurs had feathers. If you asked a person which they think is closer related to dog, they go by looks almost all the time.

>>26250570
Because maybe they thought it was close enough?

>>26250588
If you ask someone they will problaly say that you should drink 2 liters of water a day
That doesn't make it true

>>26250493
If that was it it would be the dog pokemon, like Cyndaquil is a mouse pokemon. I am ok with the zodiac theory, but Fennekin is a fox not a dog

>>26238772
fennekin dog, ayy lmao

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>>26250602
But they wouldn't think that because they aren't fucking retarded like you are my friend

I assume in cases like Fennekin GF decided to take liberties, I'd say this whole pattern thing its inspired by the Zodiac rather than being based on it

>>26250570
Maybe they wanted to be creative instead of just making a dog pokemon? How come you anti-zodiacfags never think of that? Oh, that's right, you're too delusional to understand that the fire starters are inspired by the chinese zodiac.

>>26249834
only a retard thinks fennekin is a dog

>>26250617
The point is not that it's true. The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work. Only people on /vp/ are dysfunctional and autistic enough to argue like this.

>>26250666
Well then if they didn't make a dog pokemon then it doesn't fit in with the zodiac, does it?

Face the facts anon, your precious zodiac has been broken since gen 6

>>26250644
>Gamefreak
>not retarded

>>26250703
The majority of people have taken basic biology anon, they know the differences between foxes and dogs

>>26238772
How will a kitten turn into a tiger?
Baby tigers are cubs

>>26250666
Ok so let see if I got it,they made a fox because they didn't want to make a dog

Even through a dog it's on the zodiac but not a fox they made it a fox


But while that they also wanted to make it based on a dog but it's a fox not a dog

>>26250666
How is it being a fox any more creative then it being a dog, if we go that route then Charmander fits the snake because lizards and snakes are reptiles

>>26250703
I highly doubt that most people who know what a dog and a fox are would say that a dog and a fox are the same thing

>>26250766
>"The point is not that it's true. The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work"

>>26250795
>"The point is not that it's true. The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work"

>>26250795
You "highly doubt" that most people can tell the difference? Are you baiting?

What kind of inbred hick community do you even come from?

>>26250770
>How will a kitten turn into a tiger?
The same way a fish can turn into an octopus and a carp turns into a sea dragon

>>26250822
Too bad that the zodiac don't say "something close enough to be a dog" it says dog

If you want to say that foxes are dogs at least give a good argument for it

>>26244309
>starts as a cat
>becomes bobcat
>zodiacfags will spin this as a tiger anyway/say it lines up anyway cuz of the cat myth

You faggots will do anything to hold onto your precious theory. Let if fucking go, and then kill yourselves

>>26250860
It has stripes anon. It's going to be a tiger

>>26250857
>The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work. Only people on /vp/ are dysfunctional and autistic enough to argue like this.

>>26250899
>kittens that have stripes grow up to be tigers
wew

>>26250844
The real question is
What kind of inbred community you live in


"Hey Jimmy get my pistol the red dog that looks like a racoon it's getting chickens again"


Holy shit it's your dad also your brother?

>>26250860
Even if the theory isn't true, you have to admit it's been a pretty massive coincidence. Even with the fox.

>>26250923

>his kitten didn't turn into a tiger when it grew up

get on my level

>>26250844
Not the anon you're quoting, but you'd be surprised by the amount of people who would say fox and dogs are related, even they'll say they're wolves, I've seen it.

Also, let's keep in mind this is a game for kids, in their eyes they see that Fennekin looks like a puppy.

>>26250903
Protip in life:you should never use close enough as an argument

>>26251002
>The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work. Only people on /vp/ are dysfunctional and autistic enough to argue like this.

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Big fucking surprise. The zodiac is real, the sooner you admit this the better it'll be for you.

>>26251034
You're either baiting ,retarded or 12 and thinks that it's a good argument


Dog and foxes aren't close enough to be in the same family so they aren't aren't close enough to bw the same thing

I'll just ignore that reply now
>>26251077
Please enlight me how can a fox be a dog

its a nice coincidence but just way to inconstant and forced in a lot of places to be believable

has anyone actually asked a GF employee if it true, seems like it would be a popular thing to ask

>>26251142
>has anyone actually asked a GF employee if it true, seems like it would be a popular thing to ask

This

>>26251114
The biological family Canidae is a lineage of carnivorans that includes domestic dogs, wolves, FOXES, jackals, and many others.

>>26251114
No one's saying that a fox is a dog. We're saying that they're close enough that a fox can be put in the dog part of the zodiac. Learn to read.

>>26249834
>In fact, foxes and dogs are not particularly closely related at all. They have more in common with raccoones than dogs genetically.
You mean raccoon dogs, right? Foxes and dogs are equally distant from procyonids.

Foxes and dogs are both members of Caninae. It's Canini and Vulpini you're thinking of; Vulpes is a genus. They are sister groups though, and still relatively closely related. Doesn't make foxes dogs regardless, even the Japanese word for fox and dog are nowhere near alike.

A FOX IS NOT A DOG
FUCK OFF

>>26251114
Uh. Dogs and foxes ARE in the same family.

Remember when Rowlet killed the prehistoric grass starter theory?

>>26250822
You repeating yourself doesn't make you right, anon

>>26251198
So? They have different genera

>>26251114
The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work. Only people on /vp/ are dysfunctional and autistic enough to argue like this.

The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work. Only people on /vp/ are dysfunctional and autistic enough to argue like this.

The point is that for quite a majority of people, a fox really is "close enough" to a dog to make the zodiac thing work. Only people on /vp/ are dysfunctional and autistic enough to argue like this.

Read it, and get it through your head. Only you seem to be so uselessly autistic that you can't process that to a large number of people, including children (who the games are aimed at) KNOW a fox and a dog are not the same thing, and that that's not the point. As far as most people are concerned, a fox and a dog are closely related animals, so even if it's not a dog, it can reasonably fit into that space on a zodiac, which was invented in ancient god damn China so who even knows what they meant by "dog".

>>26251213
Birds of prey were one of the first evolutions of prehistoric origin, so actually it continues along with it just fine.

>>26248781
>what is a bobcat

>>26251167
But they aren't tho
>>26251198
Genera or whatever it doesn't matter

>>26251258
You're the only autist here, thinking repeating yourself over and over makes you right like some kind of tumblr sjw

>>26251258
>for a quite of majority of people

Citation needed. Your personal anecdotes don't count you fucking faggot.

>>26251213
>Implying it won't evolve into a raptor

>>26250928
The only three that really work are Torchic, Chimchar and Tepig. Charizard is a western dragon so very different from a chinese dragon, who are mostly associated with water(see the dragon kings of the four seas) and doesn't looks like that, the only thing that link cyndaquil to the rat is the same thing saying that blastoise is a shellfish, and the "foxes aren't dogs" was already discussed enough here. I'm pretty sure the zodiac theory didn't came with gen V, maybe IV and now people just try to make every fire starter fit the pattern because if you want to make them follow it you will always find a way to do it.

>>26251306
this

>>26248923
Except this logic doesn't work because fennekin is based off of a very specific species of european fox, and vulpix is based off the kitsune

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>Big oily tiger for the final evolution
ARE YOU READY TO GET BARA?

>>26251258
As far as most people are concerned they don't see the pattern of the Zodiac animals, only people on /vp/ are dysfunctional and autistic enough to get angry that anyone questions their theory

>>26251344
no but im ready for the sweet lithe feline waifumon tho :3

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This is what a Chinese dragon looks like


You faggots are wrong from the start

>>26251397
CONFIRMED REKT

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>>26251397

>>26251397
But a western dragon is close enough for most people

>>26240545
That's not a rodent though.

>>26239787
It's a solenodon. They're related to moles.

>>26251344
>ANOTHER fucking fire/fighting starter
FUCK NO

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>>26251373
Nah, we're clearly getting a qt clown to fug.

>>26251428
Good argument

>>26242799
Nah. In bio we tend to actually take more care not to do stupid sit like that.

>>26250588
>>26250963
>durrrrr you'd be surprised anon, you'd be surprised

Stop repeating this stupid shit. "B-but you'd be surprised, many people WOULD consider them closely related!" is not an argument, it's not even a BASIS for an argument, it's you pulling anecdotes out of your ass because you don't have anything substantial to back up your claims at all.

You sound like a massive retard who projects the notion of dogs and foxes being closely related on other people just because you were previously idiotic enough to have that notion. Evidence doesn't work that way.

Holy shit this board is even worse than /v/ when it comes to even basic grade school knowledge and intelligence.

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>>26251513
>qt
>clown

>Chinese zodiac legend considers tigers and cats to be too different to count as the same slot
>/vp/ considers foxes and dogs to be "close enough" to count as the same slot
pls explain

>>26250899
Bobcats have stripes on their legs and foreheads, just like litten

Fucking Google something you piece of shit

>>26242799
wew, I hope you're not a biology major

>>26251582
Retarded zodiacfags, that's explanation enough

>>26251263
>Birds of prey were one of the first evolutions of prehistoric origin,
What does this even mean. Eunornithes has been around since the Cenomanian, 100 million years ago. Strigiformes is, at most, 65-70 million years old. Most groups originated in "prehistoric times" because humans have only been writing for 5-6k years, and that is a piddling amount of time. By that kind of logic, almost every species is prehistoric.

>>26251587
To support this, bobcat's offspring are kittens unlike tigers

>>26245280
The animal in that post isn't a rodent.
You are more closely related to rats than solenodons are.

>>26247861
>final evo is based on cockatrice

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>>26251587
Not a zodiacfag, but i really want a fire tiger, wanted one since gen 1

Also since foxes are now dogs, I guess these fucks are elephants

>>26251582
Nothing to explain, the average zodiacfag is a retard.

>>26251665
Boom, confirmed bobcat.

Zodiacfags will spin this anyway though
>durrrrr close enough to a tiger

>>26251729
Wrong, that's an Apache Helicopter

Next gen we have an fire deer
>B-BUT IT'S A QUADRIPEDAL HERBIVORE WITH HORNS, THAT'S AN OX

>>26251397
Doesn't this just give credence to the idea that they don't have to be exact?

I mean, it is a pretty big coincidence.

>>26251787
Ok maybe you can consider a lizard a dragon But there's no way that a Fox is a dog

>>26251771
>Next gen we have a fire Snake, and the other we get a fire Sheep

If this happens then what?

>>26249109
except that Caprinae ae bovidae too

>>26251729
Foxes and dogs are in the same family and look close enough like each other the casual observer could say "I guess they're kinda based on the zodiac"

>>26251787
>I mean, it is a pretty big coincidence

WHAT is a coincidence?

>>26251810
They're close enough. No one said it had to be exact.

Aren't we looking too deep on a shitty video game meant for at little kids?

>>26251832
As casual observer they would in this thread I have to say

You faggots are stretching the facts way too much

Just accept your theory is wrong

>>26251841
That so many of the fire starters generally match the zodiac?

>>26251787
>I mean, it is a pretty big coincidence.

If by "coincidence" you mean it's a pretty big example of you seeing patterns that simply aren't there, sure.

>>26251816
This would prove nothing, even if we get a fiery bunny for gen 10

>>26251513

Isn't that what the seal is gonna be?

>>26251897
3

>>26251787
Its a coincidence because you choose to see it that way and refuse anything that doesn't conform to that. Honestly the cyndaquil line should have destroyed the zodiac theory because even if Cyndaquil counts as a mouse its evolutions don't. But if we say only the first forms matter then charmander doesn't fit because it isn't a dragon. Basically if it doesn't fit your preconceptions you ignore it.

>>26251891
I'll accept it's wrong when I no longer have the evidence to support the hypothesis.

>>26251897
Except they don't match the zodiac across the board, so it's not a matter of coincidence or really anything at all.

>>26251952
I'd say it's startlingly close.

>>26251862
They aren't close

Alligator and crocodiles are close that they might be considered the same thing in some cases

Fucking dogs and foxes aren't

>>26251933
Then the theory is that the fire starters have forms that relate to the Chinese Zodiac.

>>26251937
"They are kinda close" isn't a evidence

>>26251977
Doesn't matter what you'd say. If "muh patterns" are broken, there's simply no pattern.

Do you think that all Grass starters were intended to be prehistoric despite the fact that that notion was specifically disproven by a much later gen?

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>>26251924
That's what I mean.
It's a bait and switch.
>Lithe little shota Litten becomes bara oil tiger
>goofy sea lion clown becomes qt jester sea lion (though, more likely it'll be a big fat elephant seal)

>>26251910
>Gen 1: It's a Western Dragon, but a Dragon nonetheless
>Gen 2: Kind of a stretch but it's defined as a mouse Pokemon, so lets given them that
>Gen 3: Rooster
>Gen 4: Monkey
>Gen 5: Pig
>Gen 6: A BIG stretch, I don't agree with the whole shoving the fox into the Canine thing, but for the sake of arguing let's give them a pass
>Gen 7: Even tho we haven't seen the other evos it seems this one might turn out to be a Tiger
>Gen 8: Fire Snake
>Gen 9: Fire Sheep
>Gen 10: Fire Rabbit

>this proves nothing

>>26252350
>half of the examples aren't true,and just works on the heads of you autistis
>this proves something

>>26250335
Foxes are more closely related to tanukis than dogs. What's your point?

>>26252342
You really don't know what you're talking about. ALL living canids reside within Caninae. DOGS belong to Canini, which is different from Caninae. FOXES belong to Vulpini. Nyctereutes and Otocyon reside outside both tribes, though Vulpini isn't monophyletic so who gives a shit.

My point is:
If there is a pattern, why would GF make Fennekin a dog instead of a fox? Why even bother making a fox if you want to follow a pattern?
And there's still nothing of a rodent on Cyndaquil line

>>26252591
All the talk about how the Pokedex calls Cyndaquil a Fire Mouse reminds me of those old Doug Dinsdale SA posts where he ranted about how the Gen 1/2 species name translations are all too literal and lazy, which is how we ended up with shit like Slowbro being the Hermit Crab Pokemon.

>>26252490
>half of the examples aren't true
I assume you mean from Gen 6-10, if so yeah, like I said I think 6 is too much of a stretch, 7 we don't know yet, 8 to 10 are from the quoted posts in which >>26251910 said it wouldn't prove nothing even if we get snake, sheep and rabbit for next gens

>>26252815
1,2 and 6 are completely wrong


Again I guess you autistis just like partteners even if they clearly don't exist

>>26252754
The word used in Cyndaquils Japanese species is the word used in the Japanese translation of the Chinese Zodiac.