Tweet this at Masuda. No words necessary, it speaks for itself.

>>26102919
Nice dirty .png nerd

>>26102919
It's missing Cubble

>>26102925
It was dirty when I downloaded it, lady

>>26102954
Tweet this at Masuda

>>26102919
Masuda won't reply.

>>26102954
This is retarded.

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Tweet this at Masuda.

>>26102954
But only two of the ones in the OP don't work perfectly
And the dog/fox thing is not much of a stretch, as they are both canines

Though i don't know what the fuck Cyndaquil is
It's not a mouse, or a rat, or any other rodent i know of

>>26103445
Cyndaquil is known as the "fire mouse Pokémon" in the Pokédex.

>>26103019
Just like this>>26102919

>>26103489
>muh pokedex excuse
Cyndaquil= echidna

>>26102954
This is an even bigger stretch.

>>26104508
the pokedex is canon info though. hows it an excuse?

>>26104508
>the fire mouse pokémon
>echidna
Nice meme.

>>26104490
It's a hell of a lot more believable. The only real outliers are cindaquil and earhair. And even then, foxes are canines and the games refer to cindaquil as a mouse. Way more solid excuses.

>Tweets to Masuda
>Realises he doesn't want to restrict his design choices to fit the mold of some fan theory.
>Next fire starter is a Roach

Mmm yes.

>>26104508
>Game refers to it as one animal
>Well I think it looks more like this other animal
Now, who do you think I'm going to take more seriously?

>>26104554
pls n0

>>26104554
That would be perfect.

pls y3s

>>26104554
Wouldn't a roach be grass-type? Unless it was already lit. 420blazeit

>>26103445
>>26104508
ねずみ is the word used in Japanese to refer to the Rat of the Chinese Zodiac (as well as any other type of rat or mouse).

>>26104564
PL34S3 NO

>>26104561
The original japanese refers to a category of small mammals that burrow including but not limited to rats and mice. Cyndiquil is obviously an echidna or hedgehog

>>26104578
PL34S3 Y3S

DO 1T

>>26104561
Quilava and Typhlosion are literal volcanos.

Ok

>>26104590
What? No, Nezumi just means rat or mouse.

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>>26104634
They erupt don't they?

>>26104519
>>26104546
It's supposed to be stupid. It's a parody of the fire zodiac.

>>26104597
did you actually get my subtle homestuck reference or did you happen to use 413 as A,I, and E by chance?

>>26104692
Yes. And it only shows that the fire one is that much more believable.

>>26104688
If you want to be retarded and count those two as actual volcanos then by that same token you can't count them as rats

>>26104712
>homestuck
Stop. :33

>>26102919
Venasaur=Pig
Magainium=Horse
Sceptile=Dragon
Torterra=Ox
Serperior=Snake
Chesnaught=Sheep

>>26104723
That's fine.
I only need one. After all, Charmander doesn't become a dragon till Charizard.

>>26102954
DELTE THIS

>>26104737
That's...better...I think.

>>26104733
theres no stopping the homestuck

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>>26104737
If we get that owl, then we'll have our chicken.

After all, everybody knows:
> Owls=Birds=Chickens

>>26104733
HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO STOP HOMESTUCK...WHEN IT IS ALREADY OVER?

nice 33 btw

>>26104733
>calling your own dubs
Are you a wizard?

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>>26104554
>third stage evo becomes a millipede
>zodiac fags will associate it with a snake
>have to andure zodiac faggotry until next gen

>>26104590
That's a secondary definition. Some people use the word rat in similar way in English.
Anyways that's irrelevant, See
>>26104569

>>26104815
Well I certainly wouldn't.
That's much too far of a stretch for me.

>>26104816
Many of the name translations of Cyndaquil in multiple languages are words for porcupine or hedgehog. This includes it's japanese name. Not to mention he looks very obviously to be based off of a hedgehog, porcupine, or echidna.

>>26104828
don't underestimate the zodiac fag

>>26104883
But I am a Zodiac fag.
For now.

>>26103445
Even if you're gonna be retarded and count Cyndaquil as a mouse counting Charmander as a dragon is inconsistent and forced as fuck.

>>26104915
I count charizard as the dragon.

>>26104939
So you're arbitrarily gonna use whatever stage fits the zodiac and be happy with that because patterns?

>>26104952
Why does it matter?

>>26104952
Yeah. I don't see why not.

>>26104554

This.

>>26104797
homestuck will never be over!... we still have an epilogue... >:]

>>26104877
>>26104915
Pokémon always have multiple inspirations, only one needs to be from the Zodiac

>>26104664
>>26104590
Moles, shrews, and hedgehogs are called nezumi as well, even though nezumi is represented by mice, rats and guinea pigs.
>鼹鼠, or 土竜 for mole
>尖鼠 for shrew
>針鼠 for hedgehog
And when you cross mole and hedgehog together, you get echidna (針土竜)

>>26104968
>>26104971
Because it's inconsistent.
You're searching for a pattern to fit things in rather than letting them work themselves in.

It's like how there was a "rule" that pseudos had to be dual-typed until Goodra came along or how "all grass-starters are reptiles" changed to "all grass-starters are based on prehistoric creatures."

Also, foxes aren't dogs you stupid fucks.

>>26105012
>Because it's inconsistent.
How?
They're all still fire starters. No one said they all had to be the same stage.
You're more militant about it than the actual believers.

>>26105033
Not the same anon, but Charizard cant be part of that theory because is more based in the occidental design of a dragon, compared to the chinese one.

>>26105064
No one said it had to be a Chinese dragon either.
The theory is that they're simply based on the zodiac, not directly mimicking it.

>>26105075
Where are you going to draw the line?

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>>26105090
Well, I don't have a hard answer for that, but I guess somewhere around the range of if the animal isn't even in the same Family, or refered to as that animal in the game itself. Like, I'm not going to call a wolf a panther.

>>26105012
That's how science works. If a theory breaks you try to fix, only discarding it completely if you can't fix it.
Also all stages of Charizard are draconic.

>>26105090
Personally, I draw the line at foxes, still going to defend the first 5 though.

>>26105002
Cyndaquil is obviously based on porcupines, hedgehogs, and/ or echidnas.

The species name in the pokedex is loose filler like the pokedex entries. Probably the only time I see it brought up in a serious light is in defense of the Zodiak fan theory which is trying to stretch the origin of Cyndaquil and Fennekin to make them fit. Even with the species name for Cyndaquil, you can't explain fennekin. Taken from wikipedia this image shows a few animals in canidae and something tells me that if the racoon was fennekin, people wouldn't be trying to fit it in. In this case, what it really comes down to is: well foxes look like dogs and are kind of like dogs.

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>>26105133
Forgot pic

>>26105115
So you'd be willing to accept a panda starter as a dog?

>>26105153
No? Canide and Ursidae aren't the same family.

>>26105183
Disregard that, I suck cocks.

>>26105144
>>26105133
In fact, it looks like the biggest and most immediate divergence in the canidae family is genus canis vs vulpes

>>26105313
At last, I truly see.

>>26105313
It's better than the water one at least.

Even if you don't think Cyndaquil and Fennekin fit, getting 4/6 where there's a total chance of 12 is not bad

>charmander is not a dragon
Who the hell said we could only chose the first stage of the poke?
If you honestly think that's a compelling argument you're more focused on discouraging zodiacfags than to be reasonable

By Arceus i hope next corocoro will show starters

>>26104525
>>26104535
You can't honestly take the dex as 100% true, can you?
I'm with you on saying that there may be some zodiac inspiration, but you can't possibly think it's all true

And if your answer is "why not?" I think there are several pokemon brought up in these discussions that are examples of why not

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>>26102954
>mfw someone actually saved my stupid shit
nice

>>26105115
>but I guess somewhere around the range of if the animal isn't even in the same Family
In order to be a zodiac fag you have to go as far back as at least Order, though.

Cyndaquil, in Japanese, is the "Fire Nezumi" Pokemon. Nezumi means rodent, which is an order that includes but is not limited to mice and rats. And considering that Cyndaquil looks absolutely nothing like a mouse, given that it lacks a large tail, prominent ears, has a long and slender snout, and quills on its back, it's safer to say that it's some other sort of rodent (like a porcupine.) If you still want to include Cyndaquil as a a rat on the basis of "close enough" then you must accept that orders are "close enough", which just completely breaks the Zodiac theory, as many of the Zodiac animals share orders. Dogs and tigers share an order, as do sheep, pigs, and oxen. So unless you want Tepig and Fennekin to take up multiple slots the theory is shot.

>>26107098
I really don't care that much about it. The game calls it a mouse and that's enough for me.

>>26107154
>The game calls it a mouse and that's enough for me
Only in English, which doesn't really matter much, and if you for some reason think it does then Chimchar is disqualified anyway since it's the Chimp Pokemon in English, which are not monkeys.

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>>26105313

>>26107165
>Only in English
And in general Japanese. Nezumi means rat/mouse. If you google search ねずみ, you get mice.

>>26107233
But it can also mean rodents in general. And considering that Cyndaquil looks nothing like a mouse and is much closer to something like a Porcupine (although still not completely similar), it makes more sense to assume that they're using the word to mean rodents as a whole and not just mice/rats.

>>26107254
Not in general conversation. And it is a kids game.
And as I said, it's good enough for me. If it gets undone in 10 days, I won't complain.

>>26107098
Man, you're really a loser for caring way too much about this stuff. It's obvious Gamefreak is basing the fire starters off the zodiac. They don't really care about the specific semantics. Sometimes it'll be obvious, sometimes it won't be(Cyndaquil and Fennekin) but it's clear what their inentions are.

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>>26102919
I'm pretty sure if that was their intention, they'd have gone with an actual rat and an actual dog, rather than going "Echidna? Close enough. Fennec fox? Close enough."

>>26102954
careful anon thats a pretty big hyperbole

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Confirmed.

>>26102954
>>26105313
Makes just as much sense as the fire one :P

>>26104561
Blastoise, the shellfish!

>>26103445
It's obviously a shrew.

>>26107098
>In order to be a zodiac fag you have to go as far back as at least Order, though.
Bullshit!
People reason that Cyndaquil is a mouse, which is in the family muridae, same as rats.
I can see your doubt for it being a mouse, but don't go around telling someone they're wrong because their view don't fit the way you see the case you've already written off as wrong

>>26105117
>That's how science works
This is more pseudo-science, seeing as we have to go on assumptions rather than physics/math, but carry on

>>26109319
In my language, our word for Shrew translates as "pointed mouse"

>>26109565
>People reason that Cyndaquil is a mouse, which is in the family muridae, same as rats.

Except that reasoning doesn't work at all. Cyndaquil looks nothing at all like a mouse. No ears, no tail, long, slender, toothless snout, etc.

>>26109319
>>26109565
Shrews aren't rordents.

>>26102919
>Dog

Well they're both canines but...

This is also the place with owl birds so...

>>26110317
And owls aren't birds, amirite guys? Gimme some skin on that one

>>26110386
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrew

>>26110403
B-but... Sandshrew...

>>26110423
Sandshrew isn't even a shrew. It's an armadillo or a pangolin.

>>26110434
Next you'll tell me bulbasaur isn't even a dinosaur.

>>26107098
See
>>26104569

Your argument that Nezumi is a vague term only strengthens the Zodiac argument.

>>26110481
Firstly, just because it has saur in the name doesn't mean it's a dinosaur, even if we were assuming that the names are true to what the animal is. Sauros is just Greek for lizard, which is where we get the name dinosaur from in the first place. So just going by names it could be either a dinosaur or a lizard.

Secondly, no one really knows what the fuck bulbasaur is. Popular theories state that it's either a synapsid (which are not dinosaurs) or a toad or frog (which are also not dinosaurs).

Personally I think Bulbasaur is just some generic reptilian monster and was never meant to resemble any real world creature very strongly. Cyndaquil is a bit similar, it's just an amalgmation of a bunch of different mammals (echidnas, hedgehogs, porcupines, shrews) but doesn't resemble any of them on its own.

>>26105008
Funny that nobody wants to reply to logical posts

>>26110307
My point is that by the reason they present, it is a mouse, but instead of trying to convince your opponents of why that reason is wrong, you just started talking about things from your view
It doesn't really matter if you're right or wrong when you're doing such a bad job of convincing others of it

>>26110386
He's right you know, shrews are not rodents
Rats and shrews are as much related as either is to Cats, despite looking like eachother