What mega got the shortest end of the stick?

Audino. Before that it was Banette.

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>>25963872
>needs rain support
>outclassed by other Swift Swimmers
>being FAST isn't even part of it's concept, why does it have this ability?

>>25963872
audino

>release only a smattering of megas
>don't check to see if each mega form is actually useful before shipping it
poor Audino.

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>>25963872

Stuck with a useless ability.

Pidgeot

>>25963872
steelix

>>25963918

>Shortest end of the stick.
>Went from bottom of the barrel in PU to capable of functioning in OU.

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>>25963902
>being FAST isn't even part of it's concept

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>>25963872

Garchomp is the only one who's objectively worse than its pre-Mega form. Audino and Banette may be shit but they're still better than their base form. I'm 100% convinced that M-Garchomp would drop a tier if its base didn't keep it locked into OU.

Which is a shame since it looks neat.

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>>25963928
>it's a one trick pony, and its one trick got it banned from UU
Now all it needs is better coverage

>>25963872
Mawile

>>25963902
>needs rain support
Swim Swim doesn't even activate on the turn it mega evolves. Talk about a complete waste of slot.....

>>25963994

Now that I'm thinking on it, what Pokemon got new moves added to their move pool when they got a Mega other than Heracross?

>>25964009
Bait desu

>>25964015

Lopunny got HJK.

>>25964015
Ampharos got Dragon Pulse

>>25964015
blastoise got dragon pulse
altaria got moonblast

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probably either Garchomp Audino or Bannette

>>25964118

Still bothers me that they shoved dark type on this guy but Mega Sceptile got dragon for some reason.

Clearly Megadramon poor things actually an ultimate.

>>25963872
Audino getting Healer instead of Friend Guard is the stupidest thing Gamefreak has ever done.

>>25964118
I understand people don't like him, but I'll always love my Mega-Jumbo Shrimp. Honestly, I think the only big reason it gets viewed as worse is not Dark type it self, but the fact that Fairy is strong against it and Fairy type has a really solid place in meta.

>>25963984
Mega Latios says hi

>>25964015
Sceptile got... Dual Chop. How useless.

>>25964010
>>25963902
noobs

>>25964139
>but Mega Sceptile got dragon for some reason
Uh. Maybe because Sceptile is in the DRAGON egg group and can learn DRAGON type moves like Dragon Breath, Dual Chop, and Dragon Pulse?

>>25964388
So does Gyarados you buffoon.

>>25964388
Gyarados is also in the Dragon egg group and can learn several Dragon moves.

>>25964018
>went from never used to never allowed
I guess he's right in a way.

>>25964410
>>25964412
Sceptile is more of a dragon than Gyarados since it's actually a reptile.

Audino for getting dumped with a useless ability
Gyarados for getting dumped with a useless type
Banette and Pidgeot for still not having moves
Garchomp and Latios for being worse than the base forms

Definitely not Glalie. The original was fucking horrible. Now it's at least a slower Froslass that hits harder

>>25964446
Gyarados is based on a legendary carp that overcomes a waterfall to become a dragon

If all reptiles should be Dragon, why isn't Arbok, Serperior, Seviper, Heliolisk, Feraligatr or Krookodile one?

>>25964446
>Magikarp's evolution into Gyarados is based on a legend about how carp that leapt over the Dragon Gate would become dragons.

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>>25964446
>a gecko is more of a dragon than a sea serpent based on a legendary dragon

>>25964446
This is nonsensical. If you're assuming dragons are reptiles, so are sea serpents, so they're both equally reptilian.

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>>25964434
I guess you're right.

Just bend me over and fuck me already.

>>25964451
when you put it like this it seems like Audino got fucked the hardest. Unless Game Freak's willing to tinker with megas next gen.

>>25964446
Sceptile looks more like a regular reptile. Gyarados is a huge serpent and actually has lore concerning its power.

>>25963872
What's the best nature for this jolly or naive

>>25964495
Wow this came out a lot gayer than I expected.

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>gets stats in all the correct places
>gets thrown with a garbage ability to "balance" it
>shit ability makes it unviable for any serious team.

so close, yet so far

>>25964481
sauce?

>>25964481
Sceptile is based off a dilophosaurus which is a species of dinosaur just like Tyrantrum, another Dragon type.

>>25964519
I WILL NOT FLINCH

>>25964539
It makes sense that way.

>>25964353

It sits in that awkward position that Tyranitar sits in where they're not worth the Mega-slot but still have all their stats just as good or better.

Garchomp literally goes from a great speed tier to an awful one and gets OHKO'd by threats that it could counter before Mega evolving. It's hardly comparable.

>>25964468
>If all reptiles should be Dragon, why isn't Arbok, Serperior, Seviper, Heliolisk, Feraligatr or Krookodile one?
Nothing's stopping any of them from getting Dragon type Megas in the future.

>>25963872
>He doesn't drop Ice nukes once in a while

>>25964635
Other than not getting Megas

The logic that "Reptile = Dragon" makes no sense. It's obvious most Dragons have a reason for being Dragon. Whether they're dinosaurs, actual dragons or something subtle like Altaria and Flygon

But Gyarados being Dark was just really out of the blue

>>25964561
Tyranitar at least is better for DD sets, Latios wastes 50 of its 100 points in Attack

>>25963872
I feel conflicted with Mega Sceptile. I really love its design a lot, but it sucks competitively, so I only ever have fun using it in-game. Why couldn't GameFreak make it a physical sweeper with a good ability?

>>25964655
How is it out of the blue? The reasons gyarados has for not being a dragon-type have been reposted so many fucking times that there's no reason to keep doing so

>>25964736
All I'm saying is just calling them a Dragon just because they're a reptile is retarded

>>25964765
>Dragon Egg Group
>Learns Dragon moves
>Based on a draconic myth involving dragons
>Incredibly similar to Eastern dragons in design

But please, tell me why it shouldn't be one

>>25963902
name a swift swimmer that outclasses mega swampert, ill wait

>>25964807
Kingdra :^)

>>25964807
kingdra

>>25964807
Kingdra. You're retared or something?

>>25964313
>stupidest
Is this a new forced meme?

>>25964807
Seismitoad

>>25964847
If you don't know by now, it doesn't concern you.

>>25964807
Stingulor

>>25964794
Because the draconic myth you are referring to involves it explicitly not becoming a real dragon.

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>>25964313
If Healer didn't only work 30% of the time it would be so bad. And only for the partner.

When Audino gets Heal Bell. That effects the WHOLE TEAM

>>25964895
>At the Yellow River at Henan (Chinese: 河南; pinyin: Hénán; Wade–Giles: Ho-nan) is a waterfall called the Dragon Gate. It is said that if certain carp called Yulong can climb the cataract, they will transform into dragons. Every year in the third month of spring, they swim up from the sea and gather in vast numbers in the pool at the foot of the falls. It used to be said that only 71 could make the climb in any year. When the first succeeded, then the rains would begin to fall. This Dragon Gate was said to have been created after the Flood by the god-emperor Yu, who split a mountain blocking the path of the Yellow River. It was so famous that throughout China was a common saying, "a student facing his examinations is like a carp attempting to leap the Dragon Gate."

So what source are you getting your hot meme from?

>>25964826
>>25964830
>>25964845
nice b8

>>25964926
From my ass obviously.

>>25964926
tl;dr

if there was interest in making gyarados a dragon then it would've happened in the twenty years prior, why are people still mad about this?

>>25965009
Because Game Freak squanders the first opportunity to rectify their mistakes outside of a retcon and they're dipshits that seem to work on anti-logic

Plus why give it to Dragon-type trainers if it was never intended to be a Dragon

>>25965030
Being a dragon =/= being Dragon-type
Charizard is also a dragon.

Being a ghost =/= a Ghost-type.
The dead Marowak was a ghost. Gastly is a Ghost-type.

Being a rock =/= being a Rock-type.
Mountains are made of rocks. Geodude and Sudowoodo are of the Rock-type.

Being the ground =/= being of the Ground-type.
There's no attribute the ground shares with Ground-type Pokemon that isn't shared with many others.

Being steel =/= the Steel type.

etc.

>>25964765
>The reasons gyarados has for not being a dragon-type have been reposted so many fucking times

Yeah because it's retards reposting the same wrong information

>>25965086
Mountains and the ground are not Pokemon, retard.

>>25965130
They will be.

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>>25965086
Your logic makes less sense than Game Freak

>>25964925
Source

>>25965164
>>25965130
Are you guys both idiots, or just children?

Game Freak more than likely decided that they just wanted to mark Grass/Dragon off their checklist and so they made Mega Sceptile Grass/Dragon.

If Ampharos gets to be a Dragon simply because a pun, then I don't see why Sceptile, an actual reptile, can't.

>>25965269
>dragons
>reptiles
You know dragons aren't real, right?

>>25965086
>Charizard is also a dragon.
And lo and behold, Charizard got a mega that retyped it as Fire/Dragon. Even if we ignore that, Fire/Flying is a very appropriate type for Charizard and there are plenty of Pokemon who could qualify for 3+ types if the game allowed for it (e.g. Flygon and Gliscor).

>The dead Marowak was a ghost. Gastly is a Ghost-type.
You think they'd bother programming a unique variant with unique stats for a one-time event? Back in the very first game?

>Mountains are made of rocks. Geodude and Sudowoodo are of the Rock-type.
Mountains are not Pokemon.

>Being the ground =/= being of the Ground-type.
The ground is not Pokemon.

>>25965255
Your shit is easily contradicted by >>25965308 that nobody wanted to give you the time of day

Seriously. Game Freak makes no sense, and you somehow make less sense

>>25965226
iqdb tells me it's by Gray Impact.

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>All these Weather reliant Megas introduced on the generation that nerfed Weather
I honestly wish I could understand what Gamefreak thinks when they do stuff like this.

I've honestly can't think of another company as incompetent or backwards or as out of touch as them.

It's always one step forward and 10 backwards with them.

And the worst part is that they actually get things right sometimes That's the most frustrating part of it all. They show that they COULD but more often than not do not.

>>25965382
>but more often than not do not

no, you just notice the stuff they get wrong because it sticks out and take the stuff that's right for granted, passing it off as "well obviously it should be that way"

>>25963872
Mega Gardevoir because I have a short stick and I used it on her

*unzips stick*

>>25965086
>Being an owl =/= being a bird

>>25965446
You do realize Gardevoir can be male, right?

>>25965471
That only makes things better.

Just because something gets nerfed doesn't mean the assumption is that no one will ever touch it ever again. Only gamers assume that, developers see something ridiculously out of balance and bring it in line so that everything else becomes more viable.

>>25965478
>Mega Fug

>>25965478
Please don't tell me you actually believe in this.

>>25965478
GameFreak does not give a shit about balance.

>>25965490
mega fug was never nerfed, what are you talking about?

>>25965494
Why would I type something if I didn't believe it? I still played Bowser after his hoohah got patched out and I dick around with a Rain team every now and again

>>25965510
correct

>>25965516
>developers see something ridiculously out of balance and bring it in line so that everything else becomes more viable.

There's an infinite list of pokémon that doesn't fit this criteria at all.

>>25965524
How can the list of pokemon be infinite when there is a completely finite number of pokemon

>>25963872
Mega Glalie is fine.

Mega Garchomp and Mega Latios are worse than its base forms.
Mega Banette and Mega Audino are better but still awful.
Mega Aerodactyl and Mega Sharpedo hurt my eyes.

>>25965538
You can catch the same Pokemon multiple times

>>25965308
You're missing the point. The typings have nothing to do with what the Pokemon are. What makes a fighting type a fighting type? What makes psychic types super effective against fighting pokemon? The types are just types and have no bearing on what the Pokemon is or looks like - there is sometimes a correlation because of the children. Wartortle being a water type has nothing to do with the fact that it is made of water.
As far as the ground not being a Pokemon, that's exactly the point I am making. The types are entirely self contained and are only in reference to other types for weakness and resistance. The typing does not reflect the look. At all.

>>25965322
Stay dumb.

>>25965548
>Mega Latios is worse than its base form
Is this the whole can't use an item argument, because if so, I'd like to add mega heracross to the list of worse than base

>>25965585
>The typing does not reflect the look

Man I've been telling this to people for years. Yes, a boulder with flames on it could easily be Rock/Fire, but gamefreak could easily make it fucking Ground/Fairy if they wanted to

>>25965696
Mega Heracross has skill link

>>25965696
That's another thing I fucking hate about Megas.

The one-note let's pigeon them into a single gimmick and make them literally unable to do anything else but the gimmick that it's being forced of them.

>>25965696

Mega Latios does less damage than its base form does with a Life Orb, and prevents you from using another mega

>>25965742
Why would they intentionally make a discrepancy like that without a reason anyway?

How many Pokemon are even designed that way

>>25965585
>Literally the only argument is, "It has to be this way just because"

>>25965750
so what?

>>25965804

Mega Heracross plays a completely playstyle than its base form, it's like a completely different Pokemon.

Mega Latios has the same ability amd playstyle as its base form, and can't hold a Life Orb.

>>25965788
Hey i was just saying that no matter what the lore or design or whatever the pokemon has, at the end of the day they can make the Pokemon whatever type they please

>>25965836
>Mega Latios has the same ability amd playstyle as its base form, and can't hold a Life Orb.
But it has more bulk.

>>25965865

If you want bulk, you use Latias.

>>25964139
Gyardos//Magikarp are supposed to be not-dragon as per the legend they're based on.
personally I wish the mega had gone pure water or something.

>>25965942
>Gyardos//Magikarp are supposed to be not-dragon as per the legend they're based on.

no, that's a load of bullshit made up by pokemon fans to try and justify its lack of dragon typing and people keep repeating it for some reason despite it being completely untrue.

Seriously- actually go and try and find a source for it that isn't just on another pokemon forum.

>>25963902
>hydration
>Regenerator
>adaptability
>dryskin
>huge power
>ironfist

>>25963902
it couldn't be better than boostchicken, so it got an inferior speed ability

>>25965990
Sap Sipper

>>25964118
There's nothing wrong with M-Gyarados.

>>25964118
>semi decent pokemon had a pretty decent mega
nigga you can moxie boost d-dance into good stab
i can't even believe people would complain about this
its actually fucking usable

>>25964139
It'd be hilarious if Mega Milotic was Water/Dragon tbqh

>>25964519
The worst part is its design doesn't improve the design of Gallade, and it removes the green colour scheme of his torso

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>>25965836
>>25965865
what if latias and latios had illusion as a hidden ability?

>>25963943
That's not mega swampert

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>>25965964
okay asshurt man, you keep on believing magikarp&Garydos have nothing at all do to do with that legend.

>>25966166
they have to do with the legend. But not the bullshit "hurr the dragon was bad so they took away its dragon powers" part that people pull out of their ass.

>>25966166
He's right, though. This "legend" was made up by apologist fanboys and only exists in Pokemon communities.

>>25966013
that wouldnt make sense thematically at all

>>25963902
Mega Swampert is by and far the best Hoenn starter Mega competitively. Mega Swampert based rain teams won several VGC15 tournaments and would continue to win had we not switched to the Ubers based format. It's absolutely fine as it is, and people unironically suggesting garbage abilities like Sap Sipper instead should seriously git gud at the game.

>>25966095
Same shit, different form faggot. Swampert was always envisioned as a fast swimmer since the generation it was introduced.

>>25966350
Okay, but mega swampert is different.

>>25964468
>>25964480
>>25964481
>>25964655

Because GF wanted to honor the fact it was going to be dragon type, but changed it to flying.

>>25966368
How? Its literally just an enhancement of regular Swampert if anything.

>>25965773
>>25965836

Mega Latios is apparently supposed to be mixed since it has +50 attack and it learns Dragon Dance

Dragon Claw/Roost/Dragon STAB/Another thing

>>25964015
Gyarados got Crunch, though it was a game late.

>>25966074
This
They had to chance to rectify the mistakes of 10 years ago by fixing its fucking hips but they chose not to take it

>>25966449
Because look at it. It's literally completely different. Why would you think it keeps the characteristics of regular swampert? It doesn't even have the same body type

This thread is seriously triggering my autism because I can't find any references to the Gyarados legend about it being punished from becoming a dragon, and I remember reading a very convincing one several years ago.

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>>25966302
>Mega Swampert is by and far the best Hoenn starter Mega competitively.
>when Mega Blaziken exists

>>25966536
At least he cited a source.

Blaziken isn't great in Ubers, it gets cucked pretty easily by brave birb, my mom's key and mega space ship on battlespot and it hasn't shown up on any high ranking VGC teams.

>>25964451
Gyarados is good because of mold breaker earthquake letting it beat rotom-w, also dropping it's 4x electric weakness.

Pidgeot is good.

>>25965964
>>25966184
>http://koistory.com/blog/koi-fish-meaning-and-myth
It's also the reason why Magikarp's shiny is yellow, the koi in the myth was golden

>>25966536
Mega Chicken is shit in the only competitive format that matters, also he doesn't improve on the original Blaziken in any meaningful way making him a Latios/Garchomp tier mega.

Really hilarious to see /vp/ citing smogon when it's convenient and then talking shit about them any other time

>>25963872
>What mega got the shortest end of the stick?
Audino.
It was supposed to be a Doubles mon but didn't get a proper ability.

>>25966566
>a pokémon has checks and counters
What a surprise.
Ok, let's say it doesn't do well in ubers but it does better than m-swampert. There is a reason for it to be UU.

>>25963872
Design-wise? Mega-Venusaur.

>>25966605
>UU
nobody cares lol

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>>25966566
>>25966594
>broken chicken isn't broken in doubles

>>25966605
it's not that it gets counters, it's that the three pokemon i listed dominate that format to the point that mega blaziken is going to be as liability more often than not

What went wrong with Mega Sceptile? It was designed to be used in Doubles with Lightningrod, but it's like GameFreak couldn't decide whether they wanted it to be a physical or special attacker.

>>25966623
It isn't. Nobody uses Blaziken in doubles.

>>25966635
>doubles

>>25966636
Doubles is the main format of VGC.

>>25966632
That's always been the problem with Sceptile.

Which sucks because it's my favorite.

>>25966632
The typing mostly, and the lacking movepool. Frail and fast Pokemon is usually don't perform well in Doubles unless they're purely meant for support (eg. Smeargle, arguably Talonflame), and Sceptile has like 0 relevant support moves.

>>25963928

Is an accurate hurricane really that big of a deal?

I thought the opponent's thunders/stone edges/blizzards always hitting would more than make it NU still

>>25966666
Thunder and Blizzard arent really used. Stone Edge would be used against Pidgeot regardless of whether it had 100% acc or not.

100% Hurricane is fun but Mega Pidgeot doesn't have much else going for him. He needs some serious movepool improvements to become viable.

>>25966686
>>25966666
It's main issue is that there is no reason t use it when Torndaus exists. its oppurtunity cost exceeds its usage

>>25966666
HOLY FUCK, THOSE QUINTS

>>25966666
Nice quints

>>25966666

Pidgeot is frail as shit anyway, so it doesn't matter.

>>25966504
No you're fucking retarded, shut up.

M-Glalie is the worst. It wouldn't be OU even if it wasn't a mega. Followed close behind are Audino and Banette, but I could see those two being fixed much easier. Banette by changing how Prankster interacts and eventually giving it a strong Ghost physical move and recovery move. Audino might be redeemed by some retcon of abilities or some OP fairy bullshit in the future.

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>uncalled for Dragon-type just to complete a pun
>Slower
>Can't exactly do anything but Agility and Cotton Guard
>still vulnerable to ground, not to mention has new weaknesses
>'Bulky' niche not enough to outdo other fellow megas (Salamence, Altaria, Manectric, and MegaZards come to mind)

Poor bastard. Only thing great is the hair.

>>25966666
No one uses Blizzard or Thunder outside of weather
Uneducated post getting a meme post number
Wonderful

>>25964372
this

>>25964807
Armaldo

>>25966843
>120 offenses
>100 speed
>decent defenses
>150 bp ice attack with perfect accuracy
It would be amazing in OU if it were a regular evolution, shut your whore mouth.

>>25964807
Ludicolo

>>25966956
Special, arguably worse secondary stab

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>Completely outclassed by Mega Aggron

JUST

>>25966989
>sand force
WHY

>>25965417
That's not just Game freak. That's life, m8

>>25966989
>randbats
>opponent gets M-Tyranitar, I get M-Steelix
>uses stealth cocks, cleanly ohko it with Earthquake
>Sand Force lets it bring down like 3 other pokemon
Fun stuff I guess

>>25966993
>tfw he would have been invincible in the gen 5 meta

>>25967008
Nah, he would've been incredible but he's still too slow and not specially bulky enough to be invincible. Now, if he had recovery and steel and/or ground types got the same 1.5 SpDef boost that rocks do in sand, then maybe.

>>25964561
>>25964737
In a weird way TTarite is better for Garchomp and vica versa

>>25963872
Probably either Latiosite for just not trying hard enough or Banettite for being inappropriate

>>25966666
It also got bumped up to a very nice speed tier, and it got a bunch of special attack.

>>25966955
>weak to stealth rock
>bad defensive typing + mediocre bulk makes it hard to bring in
>shallow movepool
it would definitely see much more use if it didn't take up a mega slot, but it still wouldn't be all *that* great.

Are there any pokemon where not using its mega evolution actually makes it better?

>>25967161
>>shallow movepool

Ice + Earthquake is perfect coverage with the exception of Shedinja being immune, and Surskit resisting both.

And Shedinja and Surskit are both shitmons, so it doesn't matter.

>>25967190
Several.
>Alakazam on most sets
>Scizor
>Tyranitar
>Blastoise
>potentially Aerodactyl
>Garchomp (especially)
>Abomasnow
>Steelix, if considered viable
>Sharpedo
>Lati@s
>fucking Audino

>>25967228

>Blastoise
>Sharpedo
>Abomasnow
>Steelix
>Aerodactyl

Nope, these Megas are all superior to their base forms

>>25967251
>Potential agreement on Blastoise, if played as a tanky attacker, but is often defensive
>Life Orb+ Speed Boost is better and no need for useless chomping moves
>Rather pathetic altogether, to be honest
>Same as above, considering Steelix isn't exactly good on the offense. Pretty though.
>Potential agreement if considering speed and more versatility than Sharpedo on movepool-based abilities. Otherwise, it's only super fast.

>>25967228
>Blastoise
>Aerodactyl
Nigga what. Mega Blastoise is a offensive tank. Something regular Toise can never do. Mega Aerodactyl does everything better than regular Aero

>>25964101
you forgot Aura Sphere and Dark Pulse

>>25967273
Your arguments for Abomosnow and Steelix make no sense. You'll concede both forms are shit but not that the megas are less shit? Do you even know what stance you're supposed to be taking? Also you just listed a bunch of reasons M-Aero is better than regular Aero. It' faster and it's stronger.

M-Alakazam isn't worse with "most sets". Alakazam has one item it can use better than M-Alakazam and it's Focus Sash. That's it.

>>25966989
>Gets Magnet Pull
>Gets a Steel type Recover

is he decent now?

>>25964561
How could it counter them if it's OHKO (and the mega doesnt lose bulk)?

Is this another ebin episode of "I misuse le counter buzzword"?

>>25965086
Kek this is the one of the most retarded posts I've ever read.

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>>25963872
>seen this thread the other day
>was originally "What mega the shortest end of the stick?"

You can't fool me, Anon.

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>>25968062
>The other day
I created this one a couple of minutes after deleting the wrong one

>>25964523
Sceptile is not certainly not based off Dilophosaurus it just has two ridges over its eyes like nearly all cartoonish lizards and the whole evolutionary line bipedal... stunting like know your dinosaurs

>>25964446
Gr8 b8 m8

>>25966862
What are you on? Mega Ampharos is great. It definitely has a good niche and isn't a wasted mega slot. Also, electric/dragon has great coverage. Combined with Focus blast they hit not very effectively just 4 pokemons in the entire game (+ shedinja)

>>25963872
Glalie is great in BSS where Moody isn't banned.
>>25963911
Healer is a underwhelming ability, but Mega Audino can work in both doubles and singles.
>>25964519
Skill Swap is your friend.
>>25966862
Use Plus and Magnetic Flux on its base forme. Also great on TR teams.
>>25963984
It has a niche in doubles as a mixed attacker. Just needs Icy Wind or Tailwind support. The ability doesn't hurt it too bad because its base stats are amazing.
>>25966989
Now THIS is the real stinker. It needs both Sandstorm and Trick Room to be decent. Compared to Mega Garchomp it lacks the offenses to neglect its Ability. Unfortunately there is no Pokémon that has Sand Force and the ability to learn Trick Room for easy one-turn setups.
>>25964353
This one is terrible too. A new ability could've made a difference but with levitate it's a inferior Life Orb Latios that takes up a mega slot.

>>25966470
It's actually weaker than DD LO Latios.

>>25967219
>Surskit resisting both.
Freeze Dry says otherwise. Its only just Shedinnja

>>25964826
>>25964830
>>25964845
kingdra lacks the sheer power and coverage of swampert, plus has to run outrage which is a shitty move. mega swampert is actually amazing, not to mention it can't be thunder wave'd

>>25968552
Are you literally retarded? Who the fuck runs physical Kingdra?
Special Kingdra isn't affected by Intimidate and LO/Specs does amazing damage. Water, Dragon, Ice and a Hidden Power of choice gives you perfect coverage too.

>>25968573
DD and Mixed Kingdra was pretty amazing back in the day, but I haven't played singles for ages so I can't tell how it fares now

>>25964807
kingdra.

>>25968552
>plus has to run outrage which is a shitty move
There is little reason to run Outrage when DPulse and DMeteor are superior and safer STAB options retard.

>>25964807
Kingdra, Ludicolo (the anti-Swampert). Polywrath also hits harder thanks to Belly Drum.

>>25968862
Ludicolo is arguably the best SSer in VGC but the other 2 - no way. Especially not Poliwrath.

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>>25968862
>>25968862
>someone axctually attempting to make the argument that Poliwrath is better than literally anything
>Not Kabutops
>Not Omastar
>Not Carracosta
>Poliwrath

holy fucking shit, now i've seen it all

>>25968071
You can't delete threads anymore

>>25966581
That says nothing about losing its dragon status, retard. Follow the conversation.

>>25967228
How is Audino superior to mega Audino? Are we talking about doubles, right?

>>25966581
Everyone knows that part of Gyarados's origin, idiot. There's another legend perpetuated by fanboys about a dragon being stripped of its status by the gods.

>>25969470
It's not, the retard you quoted also thinks Blastoise is better than its Mega evo

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>>25969426
Nigga pls.

>>25963872
Mega Delphox

>>25964519
Inner Focus isn't that bad. Wipes the floor with Kangaskhan.

>>25968573
ddance kingra is legitimately good in rain tho desu

>>25969918
If he wasn't a mega, he would've been a worthwhile team member to deal with Kangaskan.
Also on the turn Gallade mega evolves:
>252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gallade: 135-159 (93.7 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
>Double Edge is a guaranteed kill
So much for being hard check for Kanga....

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>Has skill link
>Leans Bullet Seed, Arm Thrust, and Pin Missile.

What's the fucking point? Why did they ruin Heracross by giving it such a garbage Mega?

Also, it's 3d model looks terrible.

>>25971037

Rock Blast too m8

>>25971062
While Rock Blast is arguably the most useful of the four options because it covers Heracross' biggest weakness, but they still should never have saddled a pokemon like Heracross with a dumb, gimmicky ability like Skill Link.

M-Heracross would have been better off with Guts.

>>25971037
>Gets new Ability
>Has moves that compliment said ability

Yep, absolutely terrible.

>>25971106
you forgot the fact that they made it look retarded

>>25971106
>New ability is shit. Old one would have been better.
>Those moves are terrible even if they hit five times with the possible exception of Rock Blast.

Yep.

>>25966566
>Blaziken isn't great in Ubers
it's banned for a reason, mega swampert isnt good enough on its own and needs support. theyre both amazing though

>>25971037
what makes it weird is that hera already gets high power moves of the types of those skill link moves (cc, megahorn, stone miss)

other than bullet seed but did he really need it? breaking subs is cool though I guess

>>25971166
They might as well have just given it Icicle Spear.

I mean, why not?

>>25971106
The problem is that Heracross didn't know these moves before Gen6. Gamefreak literally just added them to make M-Heracross a gimmick Pokémon instead of focusing on its strengths and weaknesses.

>>25971196
I think Heracross would get an indirect buff if arm thrust were 25 BP. Then it would have a STAB 125 BP fighting move coming off 185 attack and without stat drops and still had decent coverage in pin missile and rock blast.

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>>25971318

I think they just wanted to set it apart from its counterpart, Pinsir, so they made Pinsir a fast sweeper, and Heracross a slow wallbreaker.

>>25964041

Lopunny's had HJK since platinum, surely?

>>25972987

Jump Kick, but not High Jump Kick.

>>25966076
>Illusion on a Pokemon that isn't OHKOd by a slight breeze
Good be interesting. Gimmicky, but interesting.

>>25966607
Actually, yeah. This.

The flowers and shit just seem to float above it, and its body is all flattened and out of proportion.

>>25966862
>formerly bald sheep now covered in wool
>can't handle the cold

>>25973283
I like M-Vensaur, mostly. The raised flower and second level of leaves and vines make for an effective jungle-y look in my eyes.
It's the dumb head flower that is the sole problem.

>>25965308
kek

M-Pidgeot would be a million times better if it had more moves.

Give it like...Blizzard or Petal Blizzard or Leaf Storm or something.

>>25973522

It's already decent enough with Hurricane and Heat Wave, giving it shit like Blizzard and Focus Blast would make it downright broken

>>25966566
Mega space ship?

Settle an argument for me.

In a 1v1 fight, no outside support, who wins? M-Blastoise or M-Venusaur?

>>25973613
>0 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blastoise: 170-204 (54.3 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blastoise: 170-204 (54.3 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Meanwhile, M-Blastoise' Dark Pulse is a 5HKO

>>25973563
Don't give it Focus Blast. Give it more attacks that involve the weather or storms or wind or whatever, like the ones I listed.

>>25973522
Petal Blizzard and Leaf Storm could be fun. Weather-related, but not WEATHER related, so other mons still have a niche.

I'm still of the mind it should get Boomburst to go with the mach 2 speeds from the Pokedex.

>>25965548
i have to agree
a mega glalie has the ability refrigerate , which turns a 150 hyper beam into a 200 ice beam plus it learns frezee dry

>>25971196
or bone rush 2bh

>>25973743
I would be down for Boomburst. I mean, fuck, Chatot and Taillow get it.

>>25964758

I, too, wanted it to be a sort of foil to Mega Zard X, you know a fast Dragon Dance sweeper. But even if they has focused on the physical end of the spectrum, it still gets raped by the same exact things. Talonflame, Ice Shard users, M-Altaria. It just cannot thrive in the current state of OU.

Plus it's Typing, while unique, leaves a fucking lot to be desired both offensively and defensively.

>>25966607
Couldn't agree less. It's a subtle but effective change, the only thing that's even slightly bothersome about it is the head and butt flowers.

>>25965382

Everyone knows they're doing it on purpose at this point. You don't design pokemon like Aegislash, Greninja, and Talonflame and still expect to fall back on the excuse that they don't consider competitive viability when designing new pokemon.

I can actually name many more examples of GF knowing exactly what they're doing when they design Megas and new pokemon. I'll give you one:

>Mega Manectric
>Released in the same generation as Talonflame, M-Pinsir, Greninja (wrecks all 3), Aegislash (does huge damage with its Fire coverage), M-Charizard Y, M-Medicham (gets off Intimidate, outspeeds, chip damage), M-Gyarados, Noivern, and on and on.

It was made specifically to counter a lot of high tier threats they introduced in XY. They know exactly what they're doing and if your bro or its Mega is shit, blame GF for doing it on purpose.

>>25968573

Mega Swampert is the best Rain sweeper, period.

>Amazing offensive/defensive Typing
>Doesn't get locked into one move like Choice users
>Isn't weak to any priority
>Immune to (priority) paralysis

Yes, there's an opportunity cost to using it as is the case with all Megas. But if you want to accept that opportunity cost you'll have the best Rain sweeper available in the game.

I'm just waiting for a nice Sand Rush Mega. I'm sick of Excadrill and everything else with the Ability is pretty bad.

>>25974980
additionally m-swampert can function well on and against sand teams. has a bit of an edge on kingdra there as well.

>>25964519
Are you people serious?

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>lightning rod

JUST

>>25971124
That already applies to the base.

>>25971318
>nstead of focusing on its strengths and weaknesses.
They upgraded its stats where it counts. You can literally use Mega Hera as you please and aren't forced to run multi hit moves.

>but why would i waste a mega slot on mega hera if i'm just using it as a super heracross instead of focusing on its gimmick?
Because on that case you have to first ask yourself "why am i wasting a team slot on heracross at all?"

>>25977432

>lightning rod

>already double resists electric

why GF

>>25977432
>what are doubles
Now it's movepool on the other hand

>>25964807
Kingdra, Kabutops, Omastar

>>25978020

because now it's immune to both spore and thunder wave

>>25977432
Thunderwave is a bitch.

>tripfags put up an unwinnable argument AGAIN

>>25973522
Nah, it's fine. It should get Hyper Voice thought, so it doesn't need to rely on Hyper Beam to deal with Rotom-W, Thundrus and Mega Manectric

>>25977432
It was specifically designed to function in Doubles, but it doesn't have enough moves and its typing leaves it with tons of common weaknesses that make it heavily prone to Talonflame and Fairies who dominate VGC.

>>25964519
If your lucky somebody might use fake out on you with M-Lopunn

>>25968029
Late reply but a CB Garchomp can OHKO a M-Gardevoir with Iron Head or without CB after SR damage or straight OHKO with Iron Tail.
By comparison, M-Garchomp can never switch into M-Gardevoir.

Another example is M-Medicham. It can use its attacks with impunity on M-Garchomp, but on regular Garchomp it can only outspeed with Fake Out, which gets punished by 1/16 or 3/16th (with Rocky Helmet) of its health in doing so.

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>>25966989
this would have been 10 times better if it got magnet pull instead of sand force

first, it fits with the mega concept, floating steel pieces floating around TROUGH MAGNETISM

and then the competitive use:
this is a list of OU steel mons

most of them would have a hard time against an eq
some exceptions may be skarmory and heatran

>>25983629
What is Steelix going to do against any kind of Scizor and Excadrill and maybe Megagross? Ferrothorn probably walls it too, unless you pack the mighty Fire Fang.

>>25966666
Damn

>>25983629
>all of these steel types
>and only 5 viable fighting types, two of which are megas.
>as well as 5 fire types. one of which is heatran, two of which are mega zard, the other is brave bird and a legendary.

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>>25966989
>>25985128
on another note, i got curious and checked.

there's 2 rock types
2 normal types
2 ghost types
2 poison types
2 ice types
3 bug types
4 dark types
5 grass types
5 electric
5 ground types
7 water types
7 fairy types
7 dragon types
9 flying types (3 of which are the genies)
11 psychic types

>>25976936

Another pro I forgot to list was that it also doesn't take recoil damage from LO like other Rain sweepers tend to.

>>25979279

Again, they are not actually better than M-Swampert if you don't take into account the opportunity cost in choosing Megas. Most of them have to rely on LO, Band, or Specs to hit as hard as M-Swampert. None of them are anywhere near as bulky as M-Swampert and all of them have worse typings than M-Swampert. Kingdra is the only Rain sweeper that even comes close to having as good a typing as M-Swampert, and even that has 2 weaknesses instead of one. Everything that doesn't get completely fucked by its STABs of Waterfall and EQ, in turn get completely fucked by Ice Punch. Which is like every Grass type besides Ferrothorn, which takes neutral from EQ, and Lati@s.

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>>25971037
Well they gave it these Animation make it look like its shooting from its arm
But all the multi hit moves just have this shitty hop animation

>>25971166
I think close combat and Mega horn are still stronger
Rock blast is better than stone edge
Maybe they just added it for the option

Just give Heracross agility and Icicle spear and call it a day

>>25983629

It gets Fire Fang so it would wreck literally everything, except maybe a physically defensive Skarmory, which can't Roost off damage comfortably and fears burn/flinch.

Magnezone gets that job done with even a 60 BP move, M-Steelix would be sick with Magnet Pull.

>>25981989
CB garchomp can't switch into m gardevoir either you fucking idiot

>>25968284

But it's also bulkier and doesn't have to lose 10% of its health every attack.

>>25963872
Ashninja :^)

>>25971131

>a more accurate megahorn that breaks through subs is shit
>a close combat that breaks through subs and doesn't lower it's defenses so it's not priority bait is shit


It's funny when /vp/ acts like they're intelligent.

>>25973567
you know, mega croissant

>>25985973
close combat doesn't do that

also if you think you can compare a 75 BP move to a 120 bp one, you really epitomize the meme that /vp/ is full of sub 1200 shitters stuck in ELO hell posting AG replays

>>25987472
Close Combat definitely lowers defenses, what are you talking about

Absol and Banette. They neeeded a Evolution, not a mega.

>>25987503
Anyone above 1200 understands how good Megacross is, though.

>>25987811
Mega Mawile is infinitely better than whatever garbage they could possibly come up with for a mawile evo

same is true for sableye and other shit