Which huge city was better?

>>25935768
the unova one

>>25935768
Castelia was the best.

>>25935768
Which city didn't break the game in half with a horrible bug?

>>25935768
I don't like Castelia that much but I hate Lumiose, so Castelia definitely wins. It's a set of straight lines, not difficult to figure out where you are, and the music is better.

>>25935768
Castelia felt more alive and hat more enterable buildings that weren't cafes. I discovered something new every time I visited.

t. Sinnohfetus

>>25935787
Castelia.

It also had ice cream (so did Lumiose, but it probably wasn't as good).

if they had kept that perspective for the entire XY it would have been amazing. like they first gameplay images showed

>>25935787
And Pokemon Bank is still delayed, right?

Lumiose offers a perfect place to hatch eggs. Castelia has...analytics and ice cream?

>>25935768
Lumiose looks better but had terrible controls so Castelia, both are awful tho

>>25935768
>one with awful faux 3d that is impossible and annoying to navigate where most the buildings are pointless
Or
>one with relatively good looking 3d that is a piece of cake to navigate and most the buildings actually have something that serves a purpose in them
I think we can all make an educated guess.

>>25935768
Lumoise by a rockslide

>>25935768
Lumiose.
At lease there was something to do in it.

>>25935768
Lumiose was much larger and had more to do. Castelia also utilised gen 5's dynamic camera a lot (and everything that utilised that looked worse than gen 4).

>>25935768
I'm a unovafag, but I still prefer Lumiose more. There's a lot of stuff to do, taxis, gogoats, etc. You can work in Lumiose at the hotel, and there's some real useful shops.

>>25935768

The one that actually gives off the aesthetic it's meant to, is actually visually pleasing, that isn't fucked with glitchy camera issues, and has the most content.

Castelia is objectively the best.

Seriously, I've been to Paris 3 times, and somehow X/Y's attempt at capturing it really fell flat. It's a city of light and color, not identical grey streets that spread out for way too long.

The one that wasn't a fucking maze

Castelia. The number one thing I want from S/M other that the obvious shit is moving the camera in certain places with the c-stick. It would make areas like Lumiose easier to navigate and the design wouldn't have to be so dumb.

>>25935794
>>25935797
In terms of stability, I'd vote Castelia since Lumiose is really giant. In terms of things to do, Lumiose wins with absolutely no contest. I'm hoping they make it better with even more stuff, but it's doubtful.

>>25935811
going to have to agree with the aesthetics, the only way castelia would have felt more like NYC would have been to add construction scaffolds on half the streets

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>>25935768
Lumiose
There being more to do there being the main reason.
You eventually get used to the camera and how to control it, and it's still far better than Castelia's dynamic camera which looked worse than gen IV.

Lumiose. Great utility, but fuck the camera and fuck the boring music that Masuda pushes so much that the bike doesn'T override it and Sm4sh doesn't remix it.

Castelia didn't have a bunch of good stores, the Battle Institute, Restaurants and a notable landmark like Burgh's gym building being the Empire State Building.

>>25935797
>Lumiose offers a perfect place to hatch eggs
love this meme, that method was inefficient

>>25935860
This, if I need to fly away from the breeding route then it is a bad hatching place.

>>25935853
>only the dynamic camera looked worse than gen IV
anon, gen V's graphics were a downgrade from gen IV.

>>25935768
They're both shit.

I hate locations like this.

Celadon

>>25935811
>and has the most content
there is no reason to return to it after you leave it.
It had a few daily events and that's it
Lumiose has the Restaurants, the juice thing, the furfrou groomer, the hotel, the museum, the pr studio thing, the hair stylist, the boutique, and I might even be missing something.
Castelia was like 3-4 roads with mostly useless buildings on the side.
People complain that Lumiose is big but that's the fucking point, they even only give you half of it the first time so you get used to it.
I personally got used to it quickly, but if you really couldn't get anywhere, there taxis, the journalist that literally teleports you on the different roads, and it tells you where you are on the top left, plus everything is color coded.
basically, you have to be dumb to get lost there.

>>25935768
Castelia.
>Easy to navigate
>Felt big without actually being too big
>Has some neat areas tucked away, like the café, the hidden park and the gang's hideout
I've also come to hate Lumiose City's music from hearing it so damn much so there's that too.

The one that doesn't have a shit camera

>>25935860
>meme
There's that word again. Am I also a shitlord cuck faggot?

Yes, it takes longer to fly to Lumiose. That doesn't change the fact that it offers a more passive way of hatching eggs.

Those few seconds waster, versus the few seconds I hold left longer than needed, it's not really a question.

But that's not even an issue now, with the Breeding Resort.

>>25935857
>castelia didnt have a notable landmark
What is skyarrow bridge?
what is liberty garden?

>>25935872
>buyable evolution stones
>ice beam, rock slide and tri attack tms
>a game corner with Pokemon
>Eevee
>a place to buy water so you can get the psychic tm
How can anything else compete?

Castelia was barren as fuck. Nimbasa actually had more unique NPC's.
>>25935892
Both have camera issues.

>>25935895
it's passive but at what cost? constantly flying is more of a hassle than just hitting left or right every now and then

The one that didn't have a shitty over-the-shoulder camera that made navigating a pain in the ass?

How is this even a question?

>>25935922
As a sports fan, I loved Nimbasa
>inb4 normie reee

>>25935901
>two big things that serve no actual purpose

>>25935901
Not within Castelia.

>>25935926
>that made navigating a pain in the ass?
No it didn't you turboautist.

>>25935923
>at what cost?

Doing other tasks while hatching eggs. With L=A on, I don't even have to look at the game.

>>25935929
Nimbasa sounds like a city out of central Africa.

>>25935932
Liberty Gaden had Victini didn't it?

>>25935907
>psychic tm
wasn't it Ice Beam? You get Psychic in Saffron

>>25935768
Definitely Lumiose, at least Lumiose had a purpose for the story, the post game and all kinds of shopping activities as well as money grinding.

Both are annoying tho even if Castelia still wins the trash award.

>>25935907
you forgot

>train station to kanto
>radio
>bike shop
>HUGE shop
>Bill's house to travel to the past

>>25935969
Yeah but you need fresh water to get past the guard
I guess it is kinda cheating to include that as a positive tho

>>25935961
Victini was an event 'mon you dumbass

>>25935768
Lumiose

>>25935987
You're the dumbass, Liberty Garden is an event area.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Liberty_Garden

>>25935987
>i never got the liberty ticket victini
how does it feel to be underaged? ive forgotten.

>>25935956
and then 5 minutes later you have to interrupt that task to fly, you may as well stay on the route and do tasks that only need 1 hand

>>25935768
Lumiose, worthy of being visited again and isn't a shithole like Castelia where you need to remember the same looking skyscrappers with specific floors and shit. Absolutely hate it.

Not like Lumiose was any better graphically but sure it was prettier and had more entertainment rather than chat simulator that was Castelia.

>>25936035
>tap Pokeball icon in bottom left
>tap Volcarona HM disc in top left

You're so caught up on how many seconds it takes to fly, you don't even consider that the time I'm 'wasting' makes up for monotonous left/right/left/right toggling.

As I said earlier, I'm not even looking at the system. Often times, I'll do several loops with 5 hatched mons.

What I waste in those few seconds, I make up with all the time I'm not focusing on hatching, and instead focusing on other materials.

>>25936035
It's still far better if you're actually doing something at the same time, flying every 5 min is nothing compared to having to change direction every 5 sec.
But sure, it slower pay full attention to the game.

>>25935768
>Lumiose City
>Awful fucking control scheme, especially if you don't want too use the 2fast2furious roller blades
>Had a glitch that could corrupt save data
>Too fucking big and filled with nothing but generic run of the mill town home-like buildings

>Castelia
>Huge fucking city with interactive NPCs who walk alongside you
>Looks like motherfucking New York city with huge ass skyscrapers
>Control scheme is mostly the same as the rest of the game even while perspective changes
>You can ride B O A TS
>B O A T S
>HOLY SHIT IT'S LIKE I'M IN BERSERK B O A T S
>AND CAFES TOO
>ART MUSEUM GYM
>LEGENDARIES AND SPECIAL BATTLES
Obviously Castelia.

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>there are people in this very thread
>who actually had trouble navigating Lumiose

>>25936231
I don't know a single person who can effectively navigate that shit.

That is to say, I don't know a single person who can intuitively find the side shops they need.

If your point is "it's easy to get to the middle", no shit. Can you drop in at any point and make your way to the stone shop, or the Pokeball shop?

>>25936231
I didn't have trouble with it, it was just annoying. Especially with camera changes being mapped left and right.

>>25936231
Finding a taxi and driving everywhere is not "navigating"

which would you rather listen to for 4 hours straight, Lumiose or Castelia

>>25936252
>he didn't memorize the map and how to effectively get to any landmark or worthwhile shop
>>25936265
>he actually has to use the taxis to get anywhere

git gud

>>25936252
It's not that hard. Come the fuck on.
They even have a mini map.

>>25936295
Probably Castelia, it's more laid back whereas Lumiose is all upbeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRxbm_LgJMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60KfmRIpbc

>>25936306
>memorize the map
>it's a fucking circle
>only landmarks are a lab and a neon sign

Remind me, again, who's the autist.

>>25935768
Lumiose because you could interact with the city and had better music.

>>25936341
without using google, what avenue is the pokeball store on?
what avenue is the boutique on?
is it faster to get to them from north boulevard? the middle pokecenter? south boulevard?

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>>25936331

Why are both those songs so irritating? I don't know why, but they're the two most repetitive, annoyingly upbeat songs. Surely you'd choose your best, most complex composition to play in the biggest town?

Literally, the actual tune that plays in Lumiose is 46 SECONDS LONG. AND IT JUST REPEATS, AND REPEATS. Why would they do that?

Castelia City's is the same, it's just a 49 second long loop? Why?

>>25936381
Green
Orange
Middle
im just guessing, i hate lumiose so i spend as little time as possible there

>>25936381
Uh, anon, I'm the one who *doesn't* know how to navigate the city. You're asking the wrong person.

>>25936341
>not remembering the order of the 5 colored plazas and where to go from there
>implying I ever said I wasn't autistic

>>25936295
>>25936331

Granted now that I think about it more closely both of the tracks are equally bad in the sense that they are only 50 second loops, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for city that players are expected to spend hours upon hours in

>>25936381
without using google, what avenue is the pokeball store on?
what avenue is the boutique on?
Right up from the first pokecenter.
Honestly if you can't find some of the easiest ones I don't know what to tell you.

>>25936409
Anon, the crux of your argument is literally 'they're colour coded'. I shouldn't have to spell this out for you.

I'm guessing you don't read between the lines very well either.

>>25935768
Castelia might be my favorite big city.
Ecruteak is my favorite city though.

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>is called a "city"
>literally the size of a very small village

I hope Sun and Moon's cities are actual cities. I don't care if they throw loads of skyscrapers everywhere that you can't even go in, as long as it feels like a city and has everything I need I'll be happy.

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>>25936597

>>25935768
they both sucked

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>>25936617

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>25935768
Lumiose was much better
Castelia was garbage like everything in gen 5

>>25936409
Actually the avenues are named after the seasons too.
Vernal -> Estival -> Automnal -> Hibernal. If you can remember that, then it's fairly easy to tell which avenue is next

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>>25936597
This, but only in moderation. I actually really like the big cities, even if they have flaws. I gives a nice sense of coexistence. Other rpgs are set too much in the past and have many small towns outshined by vast natural landscapes. Not only is pokemon more modern, but it strikes a neat balance between wild and civilized. XY featuring roads that connected two places without any grass within the routes was a nice detail I liked. But this thing only works if there's lots of natural stuff as well. Like, 1 big city needs to be balanced by 4 wild areas or something. Hopefully if SM is based on Hawaii, it'll have a much clearer contrast with the routes being covered with grass and wildlife yet having "big" modern cities (not like Castelia/Lumiose, kinda like Slateport/Lilycove).

>>25936181
>Castelia City
>Awful fucking control scheme
>Shitty graphics
>Too fucking big and filled with nothing but generic run of the skycraper buildings

>Lumiose
>Huge fucking city with interactive NPCs
>Looks like motherfucking Paris with
>Control scheme is mostly the same as the rest of the game even while perspective changes
>You can ride G O A TS
>G O A T S
>HOLY SHIT IT'S LIKE I'M IN BERSERK G O A T S
>AND RESTAURANTS TOO
>EIFFEL TOWER GYM
>AZ BATTLE
Obviously Lusmiose.

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>>25936733
>Lumiose City
>Had a glitch that could corrupt save data
>Castelia City
>Shitty graphics

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>>25935792
>"you're not supposed to get lost in a big city"

>>25936597
Dude, you usually have to use your imagination to put the universe at the right size in RPGs on handhelds (and in RPGs in general, Solitude in Skyrim is more a tiny French village than a country's capital city if you take it as it is)

>>25936617
The worst offender

>>25935768
Lumoise. Castelia tried to look and feel big, but it never worked for me. I prefer the Castelia theme though.

Castelia easily

>>25936383
There aren't that many songs longer than that, you know.

>>25936762
Getting lost in a big city isn't fun. There is nothing fun about Lumiose, I actively dislike having to go there, and I would rather inject whatever my goal of going there after beating the game would be.

>>25935768
I liked both. Each city had its good and bad points, but I guess that I'd choose Lumiose City: music, atmosphere...

>>25936617
That's why I always call it Evergrande Island / Île d'Eternara.

>>25935768
I loved both. I get why people didnt, but I find it comfy exploring buildings. My only wish is that they made the buildings more interesting.

>>25936617
>Ever Grande City
>With a name like that, expect the largest cluster of buildings ever fucking seen in Vidya
>It's 1 building
What in the fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRxbm_LgJMY
This soundtrack says enough.

>>25935768

None, these were a fucking chore to navigate, fuck them.

>>25937018
>the remakes had a chance to fix this
>instead they made mallville

>>25935981
>failing bike shop hidden in a dead end
Why didn't he buy a property close to the main road?

>>25937066
But it is close to the main road. There's just a building in the way.

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Castelia has Unovian exceptionalism so it's objectively better

Mallville :^)

>>25935768
Lumiose definitely feels more like a big city.

>>25935768
Lumiose. Castelia could have been so much nicer without gen 5's god awful graphics. There also wasn't much to do there compared to Lumiose.

Castelia City has the catchy as fuck theme so that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRxbm_LgJMY

Castelia with no doubt. Fucking Lumiose is like the same thing over and over again, it was a torture checking all the cafes one by one and seeing identical boring buildings all the time. Castelia feels big and beautiful efortlessly.

>>25935768
Not-NY. Not-Paris was hard to navigate.

Castelia in every way.

>>25936072
>nothing compared to having to change direction every 5 sec.
Not really flying takes away much more time

>>25935768
Castelia was like 5 lanes you could run up and down with barely any extra explorable buildings than a regular town would have. Lumiose was actually explorable and had things to do. Lumiose wins by miles its not even a competition at all

>>25936753
I never ever experienced this "glitch" and I don't know anyone who did. I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that neither do you.

>>25935895
>>25935895
>fly to Lumios
Why though? You can pass through a whole THREE (3) tiles of grass between route 7 and Lumiose, all while still hatching eggs and minimal zone/loading screens

>>25937794
The glitch was patched out very shortly after release. You'd have to revert to ver1.0.00 to experience the glitch and have played the game AND saved in Lumiose City, not inside a building, within about a week of the game coming out.

>>25937086
What a fucking retarded layout for a city lol

>>25935768
Castelia because of that one road were the NPC are busily walking and even entering buildings. Lumoise felt really empty

>>25935768
Both are pretty annoying with their shitty music, but I suppose Castelia is more interesting overall. Lumiose is huge but it doesn't really feel like there's anything to discover.

Both suck

>>25935867
>anon, gen V graphics were a downgrade from gen IV.
Only if you're talking about the battle aesthetics, because the forests, bridges, cities, houses and routes all look a LOT better in Gen 5 than in Gen 4.

>>25935981
Castelia and Goldenrod both gave me the big city feel better than Lumiose. Both had a lot of nooks and crannies and were fairly large, but the thing that gives them both the edge is that both of them are vertical. Both had places underground and higher up to travel to, rather than being entirely on one floor. Helps make the city bigger.

Honorable mention to Mauville for doing the same.

Before X and Y I thought Castelia was my most hated city, but then Lumiose came along and easily took over 1st place.

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>>25936733
>Looks like motherfucking Paris with
>he had to stop because Lumiose has no tall buildings outside Prism Tower
>he didnt even think to mention the tower

>>25937968
>castelia
>discoveries
epic meme my familia

>>25938865
>Lumiose has no tall buildings outside Prism Tower
neither does Paris

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>>25935768
>castelia city
>city
>3 or so streets
>city

>>25939254

>Saffron City
>2 streets

>Viridian City
>1 Street

>Hearthome City
>2 streets

Trust me, Castelia City is a fucking city.

>>25939221
But he couldnt even find a suitable replacement phrase

>>25939254
>Ever Grande city
>Dirt fucking road and 1 building

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The one with French accent, just imagine her saying 'pokémon'

>>25935768
Both were AWFUL, but Lumiose was worse.

>>25937018
My headcannon is that Ever Grande is a giant tower city like Sky City 1000 but you only get to visit the league.

>>25935768
I don't like big cities, they're uncomfy as fuck, generally incredibly empty and really confusing at first.

>>25939729
>Goldenrod
>the flower shop wasnt comfy
>the photo booth wasnt comfy
>the gym wasnt comfy
>Mauville
>looking out the windows in Mauville Hills wasnt comfy
>the centre of the city wasnt comfy
>Castelia
>the tree at the heart of the city with Buneary wasnt comfy
>the ice cream shop wasnt comfy
>the art museum wasnt comfy
>JUBILIFE WASNT COMFY

nigga...

>>25935768
Castelia was awesome, but Lumiose was a nice city. If only it didn't have problems loading.

>Pokemon World
Lumiose ≥ Castelia
More thing to do in lumiose than in castelia
Still castelia has its highlights like Royal Unova and Ice cream

>Real World
NYC > Paris everyday
Atleast niggers in NYC have been secluded while Paris has them everywhere

>>25935803
>Breeding

>>25940887
Good thing you think that way. Stay in that country and keep thinking is the best, but pleas PLEASE don't go out


....also use condoms

Castelia is more comfy therefore it wins

>>25941148
Britbong here, went to Paris and I got pickpocketed by you frogfags. Eat shit

>>25935768
Post-patch Lumiose > Goldenrod/Celadon > Castelia > Pre-patch Lumiose

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>>25941317
You think I'm from Paris? LOL
Anyways fuck you. You deserved that HAHAHA