/vp/ World Map

Maybe off topic,but in DP,did Unova and Kalos exist? and their pokemon did exist in DP? becuase i'm confused

>>25899426
>but in DP,did Unova and Kalos exist?
No; DPP came out before Unova. Which came out before Kalos; kalos is most recent.

>>25899426

Gameplay wise, no.

Story wise, the most logical answer is yes, but you could argue about alternate worlds/universes/timelines for hours on here.

I'd love to hear your ideas as to what regions should be included together or separated. I was considering putting Gen VI Hoenn and Kalos on its own, and putting Gen III through V together, then one specifically for Gen I and II. Seems kind of stupid, though. So I might just do all the regions in one world. Thoughts?

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Heres base for the ocean layer and then a grid layer.

The spacing of the units on the grid is 32x32. Should I adjust the size, offset, opacity? Or should there be no grid at all? And if there is a grid should it overlap the land or specifically stay with the ocean layer?

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>>25899548

I know it's not clear but there's a very small pattern in the water spreading across the whole map. It's not solid blue. This will be a lot easier to see in high resolution.

>>25899327
this makes no sense considering the regional climates

>>25899598

I know. It's not mine. I'm just using it as a sort of reference for looks.

Where do you think the regions should be?

>>25899327
Why not just base it off of Japan?

>>25899629

Considering Game Freak put a world map not based on Japan in ORAS, it seems like that idea is the least canon. However that map also has a lot of inconsistencies, so that's why I want to make something as globally accepted as possible.

The orientation of the regions will be used though (Hoenn furthest south, Sinnoh furthest north).

>>25899652
>(Hoenn furthest south, Sinnoh furthest north).
Isnt that limiting your scope?

>>25899674

That's what I was going with until given a better recommendation. Given, it's the most widely accepted concept. What's your opinion?

>>25899652
Got a source for that?

>>25899766

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?637946-Serebii-net-Pok%E9mon-Omega-Ruby-amp-Alpha-Sapphire-Discovery-Thread&p=17524236#post17524236

>>25899781
>i've been doing research on twitter

>>25899802

I'm not a vouch for Joe in any way, that's just the most in depth explanation/source on his map being in ORAS.

Getting off topic though. I want to make a most globally accepted map. His placements of Sinnoh and Hoenn completely contradict other official Nintendo publishings.

>>25899830
>His placements of Sinnoh and Hoenn completely contradict other official Nintendo publishings.
Exactly Nintendo has no intention of making sense of any of it.

>>25899847

This thread isn't about Serebii's map or the map in the OP. Help me make a new one that you and the majority can agree with.

>>25899878
>the majority can agree with.
>/vp/

>>25899781
Holy shit.

Still, though, it doesn't really make much sense. Sinnoh's much colder than Hoenn, yet in that map, they're displayed at the same latitude. Honestly, the Japan format for a Pokemon world map feels significantly less wrong than that geographical mess.

>>25899890

Okay bye

>>25899598
Considering the state of Kalos, the idea of regional climates is fucked.

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Something like this feels a lot more consistent than Serebii's version.

>>25899897

>Honestly, the Japan format for a Pokemon world map feels significantly less wrong than that geographical mess.

Exactly. But the fact is Game Freak chose to use that rather than a Japan format map, which plenty of exist.

So the most logical action would be to use concepts from both. Like the Japan map, Sinnoh should be far north and Hoenn should be a southern region.

>>25899905

All regions have multiple climates in different locations at any given time. But when taking into account their climate as a whole and rounding to any median climate, you can figure out which ones make more sense being further north or further south.

>>25899327
Kanto, Johto and Orre are canonically next to each other, with Orre being a bit further away from the two others. Hoenn is also near both Johto and Orre, and since it's a tropical region it should be located near equator. Sinnoh is a northerly region, and is located on the same continent as Johto. Looking at the real-world map of Japan also gives a clear indication of where Fiore and Almia are located, while Oblivia is a bit more ambiguous. The Sevii Islands are below Kanto, which means they're to the east of Hoenn. Unova is on another continent, and is rotated 90 degrees (as in Winter, only the "western" part of Unova gets snow, which would make it the northern part). Kalos can basically be anywhere. Remember off-region areas such as the Sinjoh Ruins, Nature Preserve and Faraway Island!

>>25899932
Sinnoh has the tallest point, doesnt mean its the furthest south.

Don't forget that the Cave of Being in Unova reportedly leads to Sinnoh

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>>25899965
>trying to make sense of pokemon world map

>>25899950
>Orre is canonically next to Kanto+Johto
I would really want to see a source for that.
>rotated 90 degrees (as in Winter, only the "western" part of Unova gets snow, which would make it the northern part)
Or just the part that's farther inland.

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>>25899931
>>25899950
>>25899965

>Don't forget that the Cave of Being in Unova reportedly leads to Sinnoh

Alright, how is this for placement?

Just using other peoples images to get the idea across.

Suggestions?

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>>25899950
>>25899965

>Unova is on another continent, and is rotated 90 degrees

>the Cave of Being in Unova leads to Sinnoh

Would that be something like this, then?

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>inb4 >poketubers

This is the only convincing attempt at creating a Pokemon World Map I have ever seen, that doesn't do the retarded "has to fit together like Japan!" nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E1aI4tDgDA

Please watch and tell me your thoughts?

>>25900145
>hoenn literally farther away from kalos than unova is
No.

>>25900187
You realize there's a strong connection In-Game with Unova and Kalos?

Like, WAY stronger than Hoenn and Kalos.

Even in Hoenn, you can click on the Globe in Wally's bedroom, and it describes that he has put pins connecting the two Regions, or something to that effect.

Not to mention the statues in Kalos and shit.

Why the hell would Hoenn be closer?

You guys are forgetting Poketopia from Bat Rev

>>25900221
Explain why the hell Unova was literally Unova mons only right up until Black 2 and White 2. Unova definitely shouldn't be that close to Kalos.

>>25900276

> Implying people will want to remember battle revolution

>>25900145

I have always agreed that Sinnoh is connect to the north of Kanjohto.

Sycamor coming from Sinnoh by Train, the native Pokemon, and the other things present do lead me to land on Kalos' placement to the left of Johto being logical.

However the placement of Unova I do not agree with. In game its said that the Cave of Being connects to Sinnoh. I feel Unova would be on the east rather than the west.

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>>25900145
>>25900341

Okay, excuse the absolutely horrible MS Paint quality, but hows this feel?

I also think the way each map Game Freak has presented us should be proper for NSEW, so no 90 degree flipping of any kind.

Any better ideas?

>>25900330
Its still a location with a map. people dont really want to remember Colosseum or xDDDDDDD but they still put it in

>>25899327
STOP DOING THIS

THE POKEMON WORLD HAS THE SAME TOPOGRAPHY AS REAL LIFE

WRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

SOSHITE, TOKI WA UGOKI DASU

>>25900399
lets put Sinnoh on top of Unova and see how that looks.

>>25900452

There's enough evidence to say that it isn't. Inspired, sure. Same topography, probably not.

>>25900452
No, no it really fucking doesn't.

The Devs have even stated that they don't want the Pokemon World to be identical to the real world. It's why they dont reference real world locations or events anymore.

There's inspiration, but that's it.

The only In-Game map, while proven inaccurate, definitely does not in the slightest suggest the Pokemon World looks the same as ours.

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>>25900454

Not sure if I'm feeling it.

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>>25900517
Like a Jigsaw Puzzle...

>>25900517
yeah me neither. how about hoenn to the left or right below KanJoh

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>>25900517
>>25900571
>>25900572

Again, ignore shit MS Paint. You get the idea.

>>25900571

I don't think flipping orientation should be considered. It just doesn't make sense, does it? The way they're all presented to us in game should be NSEW corresponding to UDLR.

>>25900603
>The way they're all presented to us in game should be NSEW corresponding to UDLR.
You're absolutely right, my mistake. Just thought it kinda clicked, but no, you're right.

>>25900517
Also, dont forget that Johto and Sinnoh are connected.

>>25900603
Holy shit this is actually a pretty damn good map.

You even have Hoenn below both Johto and Kalos. (Dont forget the Embedded Tower in Johto)

>>25900603
If we're including spin offs, lets try and see where we can fit Ferrum. This is looking good so far

>>25900603
Johto and Sinnoh connected via SinJoh Ruins.

Shabump

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>>25900615
>>25900616
>>25900643
>>25900658
>>25900671

Thoughts?

Grey = Mountains
Black = General Land

>>25900750
I'm liking this a lot. Seems very accurate to the little info we have in game too.

>>25900750
>Poketopia

>>25900799

Read thread. In game info debunks this.

Also Anime isn't canon.

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>>25900454
Looks like wondering why Ash took a plane rather than a train
Unova is an ocea away, from the 4 previous region, and Kalos is two oceans away from them

>>25900896

See >>25900809

Also, planes = convenience.

>>25900896
There are no trains in Sinnoh. thats probably a reason

>>25900750
I feel something needs to be done about all the undefined space in the middle. There's not a whole lot we can put there and that doesn't make for a very interesting map

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>>25900603
>>25900615
>>25900643
>>25900658
>>25900671
>>25900750

Update

>>25900772

Added your island.

>>25900953

Once we decide on all the pre existing regions, we can worry about the empty space.

Why are Unova and Kalos together?

wtf man, USA and France aren't together

>>25900953
>I feel something needs to be done about all the undefined space in the middle.

Well, based on the connection of the regions, we pretty much know MOST of it is just a big ass mountain.

>>25901002

Read thread. Real world topography is pretty much not plausible.

>>25901002
Because Unova and Kalos aren't supposed to be literally together, and there are many In-Game clues in X/Y and OR/AS that suggest that Unova and Kalos are very close.

>>25901017
meh, you mean the guy tho rowed his way from Unova to Kalos?

that's the fucking joke, he crossed the Atlantic rowing

>>25901043
No, I dont even remember that dialogue at all

>>25901017
>Because Unova and Kalos aren't supposed to be literally together
I mean literally USA/France. Just inspired by.

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>>25900991

Tweaked a bit.

>>25901002
>>25901017
>>25901043
>>25901063

Please provide any sources of in game info that'll help us better understand the locations, and I'll happily rearrange them fittingly.

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How about this?

>>25901080
It might be way harder than that since as we know most region could be rotates in different angles with respect to the others.

Probably since anything official isn't pausible

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>>25901080

Fixed to better represent the Ranger Union.

>>25901130

See >>25900603
>I don't think flipping orientation should be considered. It just doesn't make sense, does it? The way they're all presented to us in game should be NSEW corresponding to UDLR.

>>25901129

>Sinnoh below Hoenn
>Kalos north of Kanjohto
>Almia that far from Sinnoh

Debunks itself.

>>25901130
whoops effed up what i meant to say.

Since it is so hard to come up with a logical map that fits ingame implied arrange, it is the reason as why we don't see anything that truly depicts a map of the pokemon world atm.

>>25899327
Relative positions of Kanto, Sinnoh, Johto and Hoenn should be like their IRL locations.

Unova and Kalos shouldn't even be on the same map, they're too far away.

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>>25901165

WEW

>>25901174
>>25901180

You boys should read the thread better.

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This is the one I usually use

I always felt that Kanto,Johto and Sinnoh were located on the same continent with Sinnoh being further north than the Kanto and Johto.

I also think that Hoenn is off the coast of Kalos.

Unova is probably part of a different continent that is near the continent where Kanto,Joho and Sinnoh are located.

>>25901187

>Unova below Hoenn

>>25901002
>>25901180
>>25900452

Unova connects to Sinnoh, this is canon in game.

>>25901197

See >>25901199

>>25901199
>Unova connects to Sinnoh, this is canon in game
so what?

>>25901222

Implying Unova and Sinnoh are the same continent. And since it's also confirmed that Johto is connected to Sinnoh in game, this means Kanto + Johto + Sinnoh + Unova are the same land mass.

>>25901165
Don't be retarded, anon. That's not how it works.

>>25901251
Where are they connected? I just tried to go from Unova to Sinnoh and I can't

>>25901187
Which game is Burenn from?

>>25901251
>makes claims
>provides no proof

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>>25901159

Thoughts on this update?

>>25901258
>>25901274

>Unova + Sinnoh
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Cave_of_Being

>Kanto + Johto + Sinnoh
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinjoh_Ruins

Read the thread before you start shitting it up.

>>25901187
>burenn
>holon
>oblivia

literally making up stuff

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all the cold areas have to be very north or very south

>>25901303
>Cave_of_Being
there's literally no way to go from there, other than the sea

so it's probably some kind of underwater stuff

>>25901324

What are you talking about? Cave of Being is on Route 20.

The cave most likely connects through the main mountain connecting the regions.

>>25901303
>Kanto + Johto + Sinnoh
Nobody ever disputed this

>>25901341

Damn, thats good news. And hey! There's also a source for Unova + Sinnoh. Guess what that means?

All connected!

>>25901304
>holon
TCG, Delta Species Pokemon.
>oblivia
Pokemon Ranger GS.

>>25901339
If they are in the same region, how come they use a totally different numbering system?

>>25900125
This still looks best so far desu senpai
Assuming the Cave of Being being "connected to the Sinnoh region at its deepest part" means it physically extends to the Sinnoh region, the only way that becomes plausible with Unova's geography is to assume the mountains Aspertia City is at the base of is the southernmost part of Mount Coronet's mountain chain.

>>25901360
>There's also a source for Unova + Sinnoh.
no there isn't

>>25901251
What exactly are we basing the Pokemon World Map on?Are we only using information from the games or can we use information from the anime as well?

If we go by the anime Kanto,Johto and Sinnoh are on the same continent since there were a few episodes in DP that took place at the SinJo border(the border between Sinnoh and Johto).

>>25901366

Same continent doesn't equal same region.

>>25901367

While I agree it looks good, flipping the orientation of region maps to fit seems to be bending the rules a lot. Earlier ITT we decided that all maps are presented NSEW=UDRL

>>25899327

That's a pretty ambitious project, OP. I wish you the best in this undertaking.

you need to do it tile by tile

>>25901386
>Same continent doesn't equal same region.
Hoenn, Kanto and Johto use the same system

>>25901374

In Game, it's said the Cave of Being connects to Sinnoh.

>>25901378

No Anime, since that already has a pretty established world map with a lot of inconsistencies with the games.

>>25901410
and so does Sinnoh

>>25901303
>Sinjoh Ruins
It's explicitly not in either Sinnoh or Johto, but somewhere in between. It was created by ancient people from both regions, which only implies that the two regions are somewhat close geographically. Doesn't mean they're directly adjacent, or even on the same landmass.

The Cave of Being connecting Unova and Sinnoh does not mean that they are on the same continent.For all we know the cave could connect two continents together.

>>25901423
Protip: look where the Cave of Being is located

The only place you can go that's not Unova is... the water

>>25901410
Hoenn could be close to the continent that Kanto,Johto and Sinnoh are located on.

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>>25901441

>>25901410
>>25901427

The US and Canada are connected but have different freeway/highway indexes.

>>25901433

The best assumption is that they are, though.

>>25901441

>Cave connecting two different continents together.

Which seems more likely based on given information?

>>25901458

What are you talking about? The cave tunnels underground, and obviously isn't fully accessible. To the west of the cave would be the same mountain that connects Kanto + Johto + Sinnoh.

>>25901480
Oh yeah, I am sure it's just a coincidence the clearly Japanese regions of Hoenn, Johto, Kanto and Sinnoh all have the same numbering system

Whereas the clearly foreign regions of Kalos and Unova have a new numbering system :^)

>>25901441
>Sinnoh is contained in a pocket dimension inside Unova Route 20
I don't know why anyone's taking the "connection" at literal face value, especially when three Legendary Psychic types are involved.

Continent 1-Kanto,Johto and Sinnoh

Continent 2-Kalos, Sun/Moon region?

Continent 3-Unova(connected to Sinnoh by Cave of Being?)

Hoenn is close to Continent 1 and 2

>>25901493

Read the bread and you'd know that the Japmap theory is even less likely XD Thanks for shitposting tho

>>25901524
Read the thread and you'd know that your theory is even less likely. Thanks for shitposting though.

>>25901547

One side has provided in game sources, you've provided borderline head canon. If you'd provide a given source, your input would be happily contributed. Otherwise you're going to be seen as baiting or generally ignore.

>>25901568
>game sources
>the region is "connected"
>doesn't say how
>it's an underwater cave

>>25901521
my friend while italy/greece does look like almia you have that wrong. Almia is the very southernmost tip of hokkaido and the north of honshu.

>>25901592
>italy/greece

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>>25901578

You're acting like its in the middle of the ocean

>Shallow water
>literally five feet away from mainland
>Surrounded by mainland on all sides

>>25901613
Sinnoh is an island

the only way Sinnoh is connected to anything is quite literally underwater

and there are water/psychic Pokemon involved

>>25901601
I don't into europe greece/turkey

>>25901623

>Sinnoh is an island

Except we know for a fact that it isn't.

>Prof Sycamore traveled from Sinnoh to Kalos by train (see thread for source)
>Sinjoh ruins connect Sinnoh and Johto

>>25901642
>train
Wow I guess Britain isn't an island because there's a train that connects it with France :^)

at least you tried

>>25901642
You can travel from Tokyo to Hokkaido in train in real life you dumbfuck

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>>25901601
What I mean anyway.

>>25901659

I guess I have to make this clear for you again. This is about taking in game evidence and using as much common assumptions as possible to make the most PROBABLY game map.

What's more likely? A train connecting off of Kalos (I don't see one on its map) or the train that literally says in game that it connects Kalos to a far away region?

Also
> :^)

Anyway, stop samefagging and leave. The only (You)s you're getting are out of my pity you can't understand logic versus head canon.

>>25901682

Read above.

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>>25901592
Good point. Now this is pretty much the official version.

>>25901690
>>25901709

Reminder that Game Freak chose a different world map in ORAS than the thousand JapMap ones.

Reminder Game Freak literally disowned your theory.

>>25901692
>hurr it isn't likely that such a train exists
>literally exists in real life

>>25901717
did you read the filename autist?

>>25901717
what, you have to be more clear

pretty sure they showed a world map when they presented Kalos, and it came from Paris

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>>25901692
Sorry what

>>25901723

I keep giving you sourced info taken from the game. You're talking about stuff that isn't even in the series, literally in the real world. The most head canon point ever made.

>>25901749

Hello yes, cool picture. Is that in game?

No.

>>25901729

Didn't mean to tag your post. Had written a reply for you before but deleted it, forgot your post number.

>>25901745

LITERALLY READ ITT >>25899781

>>25901441
"National Dex"

Every Region in the games so far, excluding spin-offs, is very likely set in the same continent.

>>25901788
T H I S
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>>25901762
There's nothing in game that supports your theory

You said Sinnoh isn't an island because there's a train or something

But multiple islands, INCLUDING HOKKAIDO, have trains

>>25901521
>reposting a map that the devs, the games, and everyone in the thread has already informed you can not be correct

>>25901800

It's nice to see you still haven't read the thread despite being told a billion times.

Please read >>25901303

In fact, everything with a source to in game information ITT DOES support my theory. Wow!

Are you done?

>>25901819
>devs
The devs are posting here? Where?

>>25901690
The Regions dont fit together like fucking Japan, I am sick of this pleb tier fan """theory""".

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Dude lmao

>>25901836

Read the thread.

They literally avoided using a JapMap in favor of Serebii's inconsistent mess. They'd rather use that than a Japan map.

>>25901822
There's nothing in game that supports your theory family

They pretty much confirmed the world map when they released Kalos and literally showed it

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>>25901850

>Sinjoh Ruins
>North of Johto

There's some more to support my theory. I'm done giving you (You)s now. Please, please. R e a d T h e T h r e a d or stop replying.

>>25901836
In an interview circa 2013 iirc, they talked about real world inspiration for Pokemon, and how they no longer refer to real world locations because they dont want people to think the Pokemon world is the same as ours. It is unique in its lore, geography, ect, but has many real world inspirations.

I'd look for a source but I dont even know where the fuck to look. Don't believe me if it helps you sleep, ect, ect.

>>25901845
heh

>>25901868
Alaska is north of India

>>25901868
Your point being?

Johto and Sinnoh are both in Japan

Obligatory "Orre is not in the canonical main game universe, you fucking retards" post

proof: http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/05/20/e3-2005-pokemon-xd

>>25901850
>There's nothing in game that supports your theory family

>What is Sinjoh Ruins
>What is Cave of Being
>What is Prof Sycamore
>What is Kalos train to Sinnoh

There's already enough in game information to confirm that Kanto, Johto, Kalos, Sinnoh, and Unova are ALL CONNECTED. Have you played the games before?

>>25901845
They dont reference IRL locations anymore for a reason.

>>25901894
but they did in the remake when they had the chance to change it :(

Guess south america is canon

>>25901883
Most people throw in the spin-off locations for fun.

The meat of the debate is the arrangement of the main Regions. We all know this.

>>25901885
One by one

>What is Sinjoh Ruins
Nobody ever claimed that Johto and Sinnoh weren't in the same country

>What is Cave of Being
A clearly underwater connection, as there's no other way out of Unova (at all sides it is surrounded by Unova/water) and no way into Sinnoh (as it is an island)

>What is Prof Sycamore
What about him?

>What is Kalos train to Sinnoh
That doesn't prove it isn't an island, sorry senpai. Hokkaido quite literally has trains connecting to it. So does Britain and France.

>>25901912
Don't be a twat. They were still referencing shit in Gen 3, which I'll remind you is like 13 years old. Over half of the franchise is past that point (feel old yet?), and they have long since stopped making such references.

They even cheekily make a nod to Lt. Surge being Unovan from an NPC, in regards to his outdated "Lightning American" description in B2/W2.

>>25901950
Sorry its in game that means its right.

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>>25901879
>>25901882

If the JapMap theory was true, then this is what it would look like.

Debunked.

>>25901930

>claims Sinnoh and Johto are connected
>claims Sinnoh is an island
wew

Also

Stop using the REAL WORLD as an argument against than IN GAME FACTS

Is that fucking hard?

>>25901950
>They even cheekily make a nod to Lt. Surge being Unovan from an NPC, in regards to his outdated "Lightning American" description in B2/W2
So you are saying that Unova is pretty much confirmed to be in America

thanks senpai, you keep supporting my theory

>>25901963
>straight north
you are a retard. northwest is still north.

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>>25901959

>>25901963
Pokemon is in the future, they have amazing technology, this isn't up for dispute

I wouldn't be surprised if they had trains going from Paris to Tokyo

Hell, we have trains going from Lisbon to North Korea right now in 2016

>>25901968

>in America
No. Did you read his post correctly?

>>25901976

>"THE TOPOGRAPHY IS THE SAME AS JAPAN
>explicity points north
>"NO NO ITS NOT ACCURATE"

>>25901987

>Pokemon is in the future

Source Required

>>25901963
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel
It exists.

There are no train tracks shown anywhere in sinnoh in game by the way.

not even the creators have a world map. they just make up each new region as they go along based loosely on a real life region.

>>25901968
How the fuck did you jump to that? They're saying "America" doesn't exist in the Pokémon Universe.

Unova, being inspired by America, is essentially a replacement, and the NPC makes a nod to Surge being Unovan.

As you can see from Unova, it sure as shit isn't shaped like America.

The only way you can dig yourself deeper into the "dumbfuck" hole, is if you now try to imply Unova is "just Manhatten, in a larger PokéAmerica continent" or some shit.

Go on, I know you fucking want too.

>>25902005

News flash. The topography is confirmed NOT to be equal to Japan's.

LITERALLY READ THE THREAD FROM THE BEGINNING AND YOU'D REALIZE THIS

>>25902017
This is true. They DO give vague hints to the geography, so we know sort of which direction each region is. But no official map thus far.

Fun to speculate though.

>>25902017
This there is no world map.

Best you can get is pointing out real world inspirations.
>some poor intern googled "pokemon world map" and got serebiis shit, flipped it and stuck it in the game thinking no one would notice.

>>25902021
But it is.

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>it isn't the world guys

>>25902042
>But it is.
Not that anon, but why are you so convinced that it is?

Because of the "inspirations", even when the games explicitly contradict such geography?

>>25902074
This has already been posted, we've established that the Anime world is not accurate to the games.

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>>25902042

>Nintendo use Serebii's world map in their MOST recent game
>Not a real world based map

Even if it's not consistent, it still retcons anything before it. Which would make all of your claims false.

>>25902074

>Anime

Thanks for not reading the thread bb. This is for in game information oooonnnnlllllyyyyyyyy

>>25902020
>"America" doesn't exist in the Pokémon Universe
>The Lighting American LT. Surge
>Guyana, South America
ok buddy

>>25902074
no that doesn't count clearly because it contradicts my headcanon.

>>25902080
It is because it very clearly is.

>>25902080
The games have the same world globe retard

>>25902074
>>25902095

>Globe that explicitly represents the GTS
>GTS
>Real world
>Pokemon is a game

Breaks the fourth wall.

>>25902083
>>25902080
There's an in game shot in the corner there as well you obnoxious tool

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>>25902080 >>25902083

MUH ANIME

>ignores the in game picture

>>25902088

>disregards information given prior
>runs back to first claims

You're really bad at this anon

>>25902088
Read the fucking thread, hell, read that particular conversation, jesus christ.

How do you miss the point so bad

>>25902105
Why couldn't pokemon also be a video game in the pokemon world?

>>25902123
I just read the thread

All I see is anti-Earthers getting BTFO left and right

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More sweden

>>25902114
>>25902115

You didn't even read my post?

Try it again. >>25902105

>>25902146
>i-it doesn't count because I said so!

>>25902146
And who says there can't be a pokemon game in the pokemon universe?

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>>25902123

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>>25902126

MOST

RETARDED

HEAD CANON

I'VE EVER READ

Holy shit, source me, please. PLEASE. I'd love to see evidence of this shit. I'm laughing.

>>25902134
>All I see is anti-Earthers getting BTFO left and right
>literally a samefag
>nobody buying his shit

WEEEEEEEEEWwwwwww

>>25902093
>It is because it very clearly is.
Are you just retarded or what?

Even with the Regions facing in a completely different fucking direction from each other, and directly contradicting the In-Game descriptions of the Geography of the Regions?

All that is disregarded because you can match them up to their Inspirations, like a jigsaw puzzle to a fucking child? Give me a single reason why this theory holds up, because until you do that, I'm dismissing you as a troll, or idiot. Or both.

>>25902162
See >>25902083
>Even if it's not consistent, it still retcons anything before it. Which would make all of your claims false.

>>25902164
The vidya consoles in the starting rooms often have pokemon in them lel.

>>25902175
It is.

>>25902164
>muh neadcanon

Its canon that there's a pokemon video game in the pokemon universe

What else would the GTS be? The games don't lie anon, they never have

>>25902162
READ

THE

THREAD

>>25902195
no matter how much you scream read the thread it doesn't make these things not canon.

Sinnoh must be further north bc it's really frore

Hoenn must be further south bc it's really scalding

Underwater trains are plausible, Kanto and johto have one, unova have one(a lot), kalos too and maybe sinnoh too.

I think Unova must be further west, like america and kalos north-west like france, Cave of being maybe connects historically Unova and sinnoh

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>>25902189
Ok fám, I see where we stand

>>25902193

So.

Let me get this straight.

Let's say the GTS is a real world, in game function that the characters use.

Let's say they DO play Pokemon games and use the GTS for it.

Okay.

Riddle me this.

Why in the ever living FUCK do the Pokemon they catch for real in the wild suddenly get traded through the GTS? You claim it's because
>MUH POKEMON GAMES IN THE GAMES
Yet the characters are literally using the GTS to trade their own Pokemon to OTHER characters.

D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D

This will solve the issue
http://strawpoll.me/7340724

>>25902203
Ignoring the fact that the thread has already established and acknowledged that the Devs dont acknowledge IRL locations anymore, and made effort to retcon such references in Gen 5, yeah, reading the thread might actually be damn important here.

Those 1-2 decade old references don't mean shit in modern Pokemon.

>>25902203

>not canon
>ALL have sources

>you claim your shit is canon
>L-LOOK AT THE MAP GUYSSSSS

>>25902228
The fact that surge is american and south america exists are canon

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How triggered are anti-Earthers by the truth?

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>>25902243
>this level of delusion and ignorance
Readin be hard, huh?

>>25902256
They're in the games that means they're canon anon

>>25902247

>two screenshots retconned by Gen VI
>fourth wall breaking GTS
>Ashnime
>A trailer for a game marketed for the REAL WORLD

Stop samefagging the thread and just fall on a knife, man.

>>25902263
>it was retconned because I say so

>they called him Unova, and Unova (New York) excludes America
>implying they ever did anything about Mew

>>25902263
>It doesn't count because I don't like it!!!

>>25902224
>The "real Earth" moron is literally one anon samefagging
Well fuck me, I had a feeling, but this made me chuckle.

Nothing to see here guys, ignore him and move back to actual discussion.

>>25902294
alright.

So where on earth do you think the next region will be?

>>25902294
>poll is 5-5
>hurr it's only 1

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>>25902303

>>25901165
>>25901476
>>25901493
>>25901659
>>25901521
>>25901709
>>25901682
>>25901723
>>25901749
>>25901745
>>25901800
>>25901850
>>25901882
>>25901930
>>25901845
>>25901968
>>25901879
>>25901976
>>25901987
>>25902005
>>25902042
>>25902074
>>25902088
>>25902115
>>25902162
>>25902203
>>25902224
>>25902247

Leave.

>>25902309
your moms basement? Pretty shit choice.

A NPC says that Lt. Surge is from Unova
This means the Devs. decided to change real world references for pokemon world references (Unova is America basically)

This explains why the last versions don't talk about guyana or south america or any real place

In fact, some dev. said the pokemon world is different of our world, it has similarities, but it's not the same. You can find the quote in Bulbapedia.

>>25902276

No, not because I say so. Because Gen VI exists.

>>25902224

>implying your shitpoll will confirm anything other than deluded head canon

>>25902312
>I can't believe you don't agree with me in the year 2016!

>>25902325
>Gen VI
Oh you mean the Gen where in the trailer they show Kalos is located in Paris

>>25902324
THIS

>>25902328
No, it's more like
>I can't believe you're saying sourced in game information is less likely than your own concepts

>>25902331
Source

>>25902324
>In fact, some dev. said the pokemon world is different of our world, it has similarities
Right so it's earth with minor changes. Glad we got that cleared up

>>25902305
When I posted, it had been 5 minutes of just 4 posts, 3-1.

I assume people missed the poll, because after I made the post, it seems everyone went back and actually voted, and evened things out.

I do maintain that the guy pushing this retarded idea was the one guy who voted "Real Earth" up until that point. But that is just speculation based on how hard he is pushing this shit, feel free to laugh at my assumptions.

>>25902340

Not one person said that besides you.

Similarities =/= Same Topography.

Fuck off.

>>25902340
It's earth, indeed, but real countries and continents do not exist, only the pokemon ones, it's a pokemon earth

>>25901165
>Orre New Mexico

keeek

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>really interesting and fun thread ruined because one or two retards dont allow fun because it doesn't fit their retarded fanon headcanons

>>25899327
Well, good luck with your map, OP. Too bad the thread ended up going to shit.

>>25902386
>if people have dissenting opinions they are literally censoring me

>>25902386
>>25902394

It's cool guys. I'm still working on the map.

I'm just going to ignore their bait and continue posting updates. Feel free to stick around or not. There will be other threads in the future.

>>25902407
No.

The point of this thread was to help OP come up with his map.

The fucktarded shitters derailed any conversation by whining that the regions dont fit together like fucking Japan.

Fuck you for making me reply.

Jap map makes the most sense, but I'd be down for changing my opinion if OP made a great map.

judging by some of the prototypes though, I'm not too confident in their ability to do so :^)

>>25902408
I'll stick around. Not replying to any shitposters from now on. It gets tired, especially when the guy just keeps saying "b-but the gen 1 reference ;_:" and "b-but the anime globe!"

I'll lurk for your updates

/vp/
>"muh theory is canon"
>"no muh theory is canon"
>start fighting in a thread

GF
>kek look at those buggers, they think their bullshit is real, let's trick them with ambiguous facts and easter eggs

Pokemon lore in a shellnut

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>>25902425
Here's the canon map

>>25902438

None of the prototypes ITT so far have been mine save for one, which was just to ask if people liked the position of regions.

>>25902441

Based.

>>25902447
>let's trick them with ambiguous facts and easter eggs

It's a good thing they do this

If they were clear, these priceless conversations would be impossible

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Just started Hoenn. This is only about five minutes of progress, so this is going to go by a lot faster than expected.

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>Consider this:
>Unova has very few Pokémon from other regions: it's far apart from all the others, so it probably is in another continent.
>Unova it's based on NYC; Orre is inspired on Arizona/the West Coast, so both are in the same continent.
>Kalos has plenty of old Pokémon, suggesting it's near to Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh; let's say that Unova Pokémon were introduced to the region rather than being native to there as well.
>Sinnoh is very cold: it has to be at the north.
>Hoenn is warm; it must be south of Johto
>Couldn't find a good Sevii Islands map, but they should be directly south of Kanto.
>New Hawaii based region will be in between the western and eastern landmasses
>If South Kalos, just move the northern portion a little to the west and it will fit well next to Johto.
>All the other regions can go anywhere.

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Actual issue with the japmap.

Johto doesn't actually fit.

>>25902851

>Orre is inspired on Arizona/the West Coast

Source?

>>25902851

We know Eevee and some others are native to Unova, though.

Also
>National Dex

>>25902874
strong resemblance no real basis.

>>25902897
>nations can't be on different continents

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>>25902857
except it does

>>25902920
That's cutting off a bunch of johto to make it fit. Albiet a bunch where the is literally nothing in game.

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The actual canon map

>>25902874
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0311/soft/interv01.html
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Orre

>>25902897
>Eevee and some others are native to Unova

They could be introduced species anyway, just like camels and rabbits in Australia. I need the source on this though.

The Pokémon world is most probably a single state, or just a few states that cover several small continents. There's also the possibilty that all what we know about the Pokémon world is located actually just a portion of a bigger planet.

>>25899570
>the underground pattern isn't sinnoh underground

wasted a perfect opportunity, man

>>25903013
>There's also the possibilty that all what we know about the Pokémon world is just a portion of a bigger planet.

*Fixed

What was the worst designed region and why is it unova

A lot of people are missing the point of the thread.

We aren't trying to find where regions are inspired by, it's pretty obvious in that regard. We're trying to piece together the in game world.

All we really know is:
>Kanto and Johto are literally next to eachother
>Sinnoh is north of Johto
>Heonn and the Sevii islands are south of Kanto
>You can get to Sinnoh from Kalos Via rail.
>Unova is "america"
>"South america" exists

Japmap satisfies pretty much all of these except knowing where the fuck Kalos and Unova are in relation to the nip regions. Let alone any mention of Australia/Africa/Arabia/Greenland/Anywhere else

>>25902997
this is great, saved

Earlier in the thread, we found in game source that Unova and Sinnoh are connected, and that Kalos and Sinnoh are connected.

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Okay, opinions on this. No flaming. Just opinions.

The green at the bottom is Hoenn so far. The black outline is my general guide for where regions will be placed.

Large mountain(s) will run through the majority of the continent.

>>25900603
>Unova and Kalos being this close to Kanto and Johto

I don't think so friendo.

>>25903106
Connected literally or spiritually?

>>25903133

Literally.

>>25903106
Unova and Sinnoh could very well be connected by a giant underwater tunnel, a transdimensional portal/wormhole, or all of what surrounds that tunnel could be just part of the local lore.

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I win

>>25903153
Where does it say literally?

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UNOVA LITERALLY CONNECTS TO SINNOH

SINNOH LITERALLY CONNECTS TO KANTO JOHTO

KALOS LITERALLY CONNECTS TO SINNOH

FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MAP, NO TRAINS CROSSING ENTIRE ATLANTIC/PACIFICS

>>25903165

See pic related

>>25903186
>deepest
aka underwter

>>25903186
ok

This could possibly put unova as shanghai geographically.

>>25903186
>they say
aka it's a fucking legend

>>25903196

The cave is surrounded by land. The lake is shallow enough to walk through. The cave leads into the north west.

What are you talking about?

>>25903186
>>25903209
>they say
Oh boy here we go

Mewtist incoming.

>>25903209
>>25903221

Nice head canon. Source on it being nothing but a legend?

also where do legends come from

>>25903229
> Source on it being nothing but a legend
"they say"

>>25903237

Nice source!!!!!!! Is that in game?

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>>25902857
DELETE THIS

>>25903229
"They say" is code for "My dad works at undergroundcavernsincorporated and he said this goes all the way to sinnoh!"
If it was "It connects to sinnoh" and not "They say it connects to sinnoh" you could believe it.

>also where do legends come from
Ever played Chinese whispers?

>>25903256
It is

>>25903267
>>25903268

You kids DO realize the quote on Bulbapedia isn't the actual quote from in game, don't you?

Have you ever played BW2?

>>25903282
What's the actual quote? Post it

>>25903282
Then tell us, what is the actual quote.

>>25902997
>Sinnoh and Sinjoh are specified to be directly north of Johto
>"Japan" fags continue to ignore this

>>25903307
Where does it specify directly north?

It says "north"

>>25903307
Both are north of Johto in the map
It seems you have some geolocaiton difficulties

>>25903315

See>>25901868

>>25903328
this doesn't confirm anything but north west since they're on the west of the map

>>25903346

Do you understand how a compass works?

>>25903354
that isn't a compass

>>25903328
So North East - just like in the map

>>25903358
>>25903365

Up = North.

What the fuck kind of tilted monitor do you have?

>>25903365
Nigga what the fuck?

Do you not see how it doesnt fucking fit?

>>25903371
Where does it say its a fucking compass. Do you think it's literally fucking pointing at the character? They probably don't even have the ability to tilt the "arrow".

>>25903389
It shows it is somewhere out of the map, somewhere North East - it fits perfectly, what are you talking about?

>>25903393

>They probably don't even have the ability to tilt the "arrow".

HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>25903407
Can you show the arrow titled in any other way? Thx

>>25903407
Care to prove otherwise?

>>25903407
prove it nerd :^)

>>25902851
breddy gud

>Both the inside and outside of the cave are shaped like the lake guardians' caverns in Sinnoh. The three dry patches on the cave floor represent the three places in Sinnoh each lake guardian can be found: Lake Acuity, Lake Verity, and Lake Valor.

Oh wow, so the reason it leads to Sinnoh is because they teleport you there...

>>25903414
>>25903422
>>25903435

Either samefag or a shitposting LAN party

>>25903440

They float in from the back of the cave, so no.

The cave leads north, towards Sinnoh. Confirmed.

Source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbQaSFHawsc&nohtml5=False

>>25903440
How the actual fuck did you get that conclusion?

>>25903452
>25 minute video
What minute should I watch?

>>25903452
">Waaaaah I have no argument so that means they're all SHITPOSTING!"

-u

>>25903465
start at 4 minutes

>>25903452
>They float in from the back of the cave, so no.

Your video literally shows them coming in from all sides, not "from the back"

fucking retard

>>25903474
>Waaaaah I have no argument
But I do: the entire thread and ALL the SOURCED information

>>25903455
>"they say it leads to Sinnoh" (as if it was something out of place)
>legendary pokemon from Sinnoh
>psychic legendary pokemon
>the pokemon appear and disappear
so they basically teleport you to their mystical lakes in Sinnoh

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Okay, here's my version of it. The only lore I'm really going off of, and this is if you can even call it that, is that a man in one of the Gen 6 games said he swam from Kalos to Hoenn or the other way around, either way that would indicate they're at least somewhat close to each other. Also I widened things out. Not sure if I'm missing any other side regions but Ferrum could really be anywhere, maybe on Unova or Kalos's continent, and the Orange and Decolore Islands are located in that sea between Kanto, Hoenn, and Unova. Feel free to argue with me, I just saw the OP and got really interested.

>>25903496
>it leads to Sinnoh
>OBVIOUSLY THEY TELEPORT YOU, NO OTHER WAY, NUH UH, NOPE

>>25903493

All three tunnels literally lead further back into the cave. Are you stupid?

>>25903515
Well yeah, Hokkaido and New York are pretty far away buddy

>>25903494
I don't see anything in this thread that remotely proves your argument

>>25903507
Dude, we have established 100% Sinnoh is North to Johto, it's specified in the games.

>>25903517
Prove it nerd, prove that it leads north :^)

>>25903452
>They float in from the back of the cave
How come Juniper didn't see them? They clearly teleported there

>>25903537

>still using :^) ITT

Yeahhhhh this has been bait the whole time

>>25903519
>Everything has to match the real world, even when the games explicitly show that it doesnt! ;_;

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I found sinjoh :^)

100% due north of johto. Very close to Sinnoh.
>All those people that want a russian region when we had it this whole time

>>25903517
Oh, so is there literally a passageway from the cave to sinnoh? Have you seen it? Is it in the game? Can I travel there? Can I travel from Unova to Sinnoh?

No, so shut the fuck up dork

>>25903541

You realize tunnels go deep, and far, and you know.... out of sight? They're fucking dark, moron. Have you ever looked into a tunnel and seen it all the way to the other side?

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>>25903557
What are you even trying to say?

>>25903556
You still haven't proved anything fuccboi, post your fucking hard evidence that the Cave of Being literally leads north to sinnoh

>>25903565
Ok, this is getting retarded, please stop.

>>25903569

>is given plenty of in game proof
>says i have no evidence
>IS IT IN GAME????? NO FUCK U

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IM LAFFIN

>>25903565
lel

>>25903570
There's no visible tunnel there

>>25903577
>reposting it again