What went wrong?

>>25898446
You not turning off the Exp. Share, for starters.

>>25898446

the higher level of opponents
more exp available
maybe overtraining one poke
NO ONE likes grinding

>>25898446
You mean the fact that they couldn't get enough space for the level at the same height as the names in gen 1 and later fixed it? Nothing went wrong, dipshit

>>25898461
I kept it off and the same thing happned.

>>25898498
Stop fucking lying. I was about level 60 when I beat Diantha in X, and about 12 levels less than steven's Metagross in OR.

>>25898532
this and i fought every trainer

>>25898446
You're right, they're on the wrong side.

>>25898446
That fag lost a pokemon in the Diantha fight

>b-but pokemon didn't get easier guys! you only got older and better at the game!

>>25898446
Is that a Vaporeon?

>>25898461

How would that change anything, that's his stater. Exp share doesn't increase xp for the guy in front.

If you said the Exp gift O-Power, you'd be on to something.

>>25898532
I trained 12 Pokemon instead of 6 and didnt use the EXP share and still went into the league with no pokemon being lower than level 66.

>>25898609

That's a poor argument to use here when her M-Gardevoir is a lot stronger than Blue's Blastoise.

>>25898653
>Always keeping your starter in front
people do this?

>>25898446
he gives nickname to his pokemon

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>>25898709
>he doesn't

>>25898698

Why not, outside of Chikorita there aren't many starters that can't power through the game.

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>>25898446
The games got easier

>>25898446
>Gardevoir is stronger and has better typing
>is a mega
>has a far better moveset
>your starter happens to be overleveled

well i don't see the-

>the names are on the wrong side

son of a bitch

On one hand, people forget the gen I champ had absolute DOGSHIT movesets. On the other, gen 6 had exp share and never bothered giving anything a full team

Kanto champion: lvl 61-65
Johto champion: lvl 45-50
Hoenn champion: lvl 55-58
Sinnoh champion: lvl 60-66
Unova champion: lvl 75-77/lvl 57-59
Kalos champion: lvl 64-68

BUT, the experience share, free exp pokemon and grinding have improved lately, nowadays kids can beat the game in 1 week or less.

>>25898886

I can beat Gen 1 in a day, what's your point?

>johto champion

god that's stll pathetic

>>25898625
Yes

>>25898785
gen 1 was piss easy because, except for a few battles in yellow version, your opponents had garbage moves
the games have got more challenging if anything, but XY and ORAS is definitely not the height of series difficulty

>>25898461
Exp affect all Pokémon not just the starters though

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>>25898915
>I can beat Gen 1 in a day

>>25898977

I'm just saying, why bring up "you can beat the new games in X amount of time" when the older games you can beat faster?

>>25898951
But so did you. Also no abilities, natures, hold items whatsoever to help you either

I'd argue that Platinum was the height of the series in difficulty. It all went downhill from there. BW2 picked it up a little in challenge but then Gen 6 went straight into casual mobile garbage territory

>>25899020
He said "Kids can".
Are you implying you're a child?

>>25899039

No but the only difference in playing between me then and me now is I know much optimal builds

>>25899038
No you didn't.
You didn't have 4 level-up moves. You had TMs, HMs. Your moves were almost always better than the opponent's.
Yeah, Platinum and B2W2 Challenge Mode are the hardest points in the series.
Gen 6 is basically right in line with the bulk of the series.

>>25898532
>>25898544
this

>>25899068
A lot of Gen 1 movepools were extremely limited though. Of course the exception were normal types that were all fucking wizards for some reason but were counterbalanced by having a shit special stat in general.

Gen 6 is way, way easier that the rest of the series. I played Emerald right before Omega Ruby and had a much harder time with Emerald, altough for Gen 6 credit, Steven's M-Metagross was tough because I picked Sceptile

When I played through X the first time I made It to the elite 4 with my highest poke at lvl 46 my lowest at 39. I have no idea how.

>>25899133
Yes, level up movepools were limited which is why in-game trainers were pathetic. But you have plenty more option. You do use TMs and HMs, right?

Gen 1 is absolutely the easiest.

>>25899063
Nor would I imagine most children would.

>>25899172

speaking as a former substitute teacher, even middle-schoolers know about EV training and breeding now.

>>25899169
TMs were single use in Gen 1, and altough I don't complain about them being infinite now, because of how convenient it is for competitive and breeding purposes, they made the game harder as you could't simply slap the strongest 4 moves on everything and a lot of pokemon were not even that good even with TMs

If you think Gen 1 is the easiest, I urge you to make a clean run on RB, and then XY and see which one is easier

>>25899189
Of course they do, they completely infest this board.

>There people who dont rotate their teams and only use 1-4 Pokemon

I remember beating Diantha with my team of early 50s, and I grinded a little bit before hand (like 3 levels).

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>>25898446
>using blizzard against water type

>>25898915
>>johto champion
>god that's stll pathetic
they was a whole second region to explore, of course they're a lower level than the other ones.

>>25898446
You.
I've trained 5 pokemon and turned exp share off and I was 15 to 20 levels below the champs pokemon in both OR and X.
4 of my OR pokemon even got traded bonus exp and I was still hopelessly underlevel'd the whole game through.

>>25899215
I just did both recently. XY has far more super effective attacks and enemies have better moves. It's really no contest.

>>25899068
Nope. I also played Emerald right before OR, and also played Black 2 right before that. Both harder. Hell, HGSS was harder

While I agree the games are getting easier, at the same time what would you do to fix it? Because most of the ideas I hear from fans reminds me of the whole "if WoW fans designed modern WoW" aka good ideas used in a terrible combination.

>>25899413
Well isn't it obvious? ZOMBIE DRAGONS

>>25899478

I'm surprised you were thinking it.

>>25898498

I had it off for the whole game and was actually underleveled for Diantha.

>>25898709

Hello Ash!

>>25898709
Did you name your dog "Dog"?

>>25899068
>Gen 6 is basically right in line with the bulk of the series
>None of the Elite Four have six pokemon in XY
>Tierno has a Pokemon with ONE MOVE
>Most of the Elite Four in XY have Pokemon with only 3 moves

>>25899527
DOG actually. All capitals. He's from gen 4.

>>25898676
Yeah well I trained 50 pokemon with no exp share and still got to the elite 4 with all level 100 pokemon in only 12 hours, you must be doing something wrong.

>>25899413
Get Drayano to do balance

>>25899616
Drayano's hacks are garbage because he cannot into regional dex
I fucking hate his pokemon availability, throws out game design entirely

>>25899413
Just make that AI trainers can switch their pokemon to have the one that won't get OHKO by your pokemon.

>>25898915
Jhoto true Champion is Red. Levels 73-81.

He remained until Generation IV to be the trainer with the highest leveled Pokemon, you pleb.

>>25899299
I did the same. And my team had far better moves in Y than Blue. Yes, I did use TMs in Blue but they're one time and many are available late.
On top of that you're underleveled in gen I, which balances out nicely with your superior movepool. Unlike gen VI which your about the same level without Exp Share, and far overleveled with. On top of that gym leaders and E4 members having only 3-4 mons were an absolute joke. None of the E4 members in Kalos got even remotely close to matching Lorelei.

>>25899413
Gen 5 exp, old exp share back, Exp all for post game, give trainers more pokemon, default battle style to "set"

there, games are good now

You're keeping Greninja in on Gardevoir for one. I don't care about the small level difference Greninja dies to a light tap.

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>>25898446
naming your pokemon after kingdom hearts

>>25899723
So...like 5 years? lol

>>25899723
Red's team was kind of shitty though. "Anything works in-game" the team. Wally and Barry's teams are the closest we've gotten to actual players.

>>25898484
nah hes talking about the level disparity in his party vs the final bosses best mon

>>25898709

>Playing the game different than me

Wholy sheit this O.P. is so retarded am I rite ??

>>25898446
The ammount of pokemon in generation 6 is obviously higher, therefore you encounter more trainers with more fully evolved pokemon in your adventures, eventually giving you more levels.
Since fully evolved pokemon were actually something in gen 1, they were less common.
Now they appear everywhere and give you more experience.

>>25904167

Nicknames are pretty stupid though.

>>25899413
Enforce a level cap that gets gradually raised as the player gets more badges/ beats the Champion.

It would stop people from easily overpowering Gym Leaders with overleveled Pokemon.

>>25904188
Maybe a level ratio between the player and the Bosses, as well. Can't just grind to victory.

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>>25898446
>named a water type riku

>>25904188
I'd be down with a level cap raised by badges

>>25899559
I should get tips from you

>>25899624
His hacks are designed around making all the Pokemon available. Like, that's the point. They're hard mode hacks second.

>>25898446
Change the battle format from switch to set

>>25898446
Taking the full-retard AI into account this is pretty balanced.

>>25898498

maybe if you only used one pokemon.

No EXP share but Lucky Egg with a team of 6, you'll likely be around the low 60's.

No EXP share and no lucky egg with a team of 6, team will be around low to mid 50's

>>25904188
Introducing a hard level cap, like "you don't get experience at all" is really one of the most retarded things you can do in a jRPG. A better suggestion would be something like Gen V's experience system. The player that wants to overlevel by grinding and walk through the game should still have the option to do so. Stop going to the other side of the spectrum with forced difficulty by taking away freedom from the player. That's beyond retarded.

>>25898484

Everything went wrong, new gamer fag! You will never experience the mind blowing event when encountering an powerful oppenent on a non online pokemon battle. This was in red/blue/gold/silver. Its confirmed that game freak made the newer games easier for casual assfucks like you?

>>25898498
Smh at lying on the internet in 2016, Family.

>>25906036

read this:

>>25906011

I really hope that Game freak will make sun and moon harder like the original games, i can hear the cries like "where is a walkthrough"... these new casual faggot nowadays...

>>25898446
I noticed this problem, too. When I went back to play yellow I remembered how hard it used to be.

>>25898736
Because it's fucking boring is why.

>>25898446
If they keep lowering expectations of new generations of kids, you get NEET blobs.

It's the degeneration of values even ruining games because they fear it will hurt sales if it's too hard.

What a crock of shit.

>>25906623
I don't even need to point out how ridiculous your line of thinking and idiotic connections between disjointed points is. Jesus christ, project less.

>>25906116
>I really hope that Game freak will make sun and moon harder like the original games

Yeah , Red and Blue were so hard, man, that Brock so challenging, without any rock type moves and Blue, such a powerful team with super movesets, yeah...

>>25904188

No fuck you, that's some Chrono Cross bullshit.

>>25904183
kill yourself

>>25906656
>>25906645

Can't believing the faggotness here. Do you even know that casual gamers have problems with brock? Using normal attacks against rock? Now, back in the time WITHOUT internet and exp. share SIX TIMES, you will have to experience how you can break the rock type pokemon, without mashing your attack button like you are a braindeath new gamer zombie.

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>>25906759
yeah using ember on brock is very hard.

>>25906759
>Do you even know that casual gamers have problems with brock?

Beacuse they're ratrded? We're talking about Pokemon fanbase, not some casual fucks

>>25906797

The problem with gen 6+ is that game freak targeting more and more casual players for more cash, broader fanbase. Because casual brainzombies can't handle red & blue / gold & silver(WITHOUT internet + this damn six time exp cockblocker)

>>25906759
I beat Brock every time both in Yellow and Blue back in the day by using tackle or whatever attack pikachu had and spamming ember with Charmander. I remember him using Harden like no tomorrow. It was soooooo hard man. Like I had to keep pressing A.

>>25898446
>>Playing red in elementary school
>>Grind all day erry day
>>Make it to E4
>>Grind 3 days still can't beat it
>>Boring as fuck, have some kid gameshark E4 into lvl 5 mews so i can finally win

>>Be in highschool
>>Use newfound social status to get everyone to buy a ds and D/P
>>Actually have patience and skill to beat game
>>EVERYONE else uses exp cheats or hacks in rarecandys

>>X/Y comes out
>>No one needs to cheat
>>Everyone raises more than 6 pokemon so battles between us are always fresh
>>"wow this is pretty fucking great!"

X and Y were the games that fixed pokemon

>>25906759
>Can't believing the faggotness
Oh shit new meme

>>25898446
What's the thing in the top one?
A fakemon?

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>>25898785
Gen 1 : Dewgong Onix Gengar
Gen 6 : Clawitzer Aegislash Klefki

>>25906759
Please, the mechanics are so broken in RBY that you can beat the entire game with a fucking underlevelled Paras if you wanted to.

Even by current standards it's extremely easy, then there's the fact that you can't turn it off either unlike the EXP share so it's constantly on EZ modo.
You can't even lie about it anymore or blame it on casuals because everyone has access to the older pokemon games on VC.

>without mashing your attack button like you are a braindeath new gamer zombie.
That's literally all you had to do with anything in RBY.

>>25906948
I thought to be the only one, man. High five

Everyone complains about how easy the EXP share made the games, but honestly turning it off and doing Pokemon amie makes the game just as easy. +50% exp for every god damn fight all because I wanted feed my pokes some cupcakes.

>>25907646
>and doing Pokemon amie
Then don't use amie.
Seriously pokemon is a game where you tailor your gamplay to your liking, if you don't want it to be easy don't make it easy by using these things.

>>25907677
Also you have to waste quite a bit of time with Amie to get the EXP boost anyway so you can still use amie and not gain the benefits.

>>25906948
>he couldn't destroy E4 as a kid in the original games

were you the retarded one? literally a Nidoking or Kangaskhan can solo the whole Elite Four

>>25898676

You grinded on wild Pokemon didn't you?

>hurr gen 6 le casul garbage!
>yet as soon as they try to do maison all they do is cry a river about "le hax" and resort to cheating/cheesing
never change, /vp/

>>25898446
instead of making it a difficult single player game. they made it easier to grind teams up to higher levels so people can have better multilayer experience, but it din't work out that way because all of the cheating. which ruins the multilayer. so people look at the solo game for a fair challenge and end up boo hooing over how easy it is.

>>25908066

Prove it fag! Go on youtube and watch some red/blue walkthroughs, probably cheated mons used by most lets players and bug using. These gen 6 easy playing defending fags. Again i HOPE sun and moon will utterly hard, so i can enjoy a great pokemon game AGAIN! And you fags can watch a fucking walkthrough before you play this GAME, losers.

>>25908317
Basically this. Want a challenge? Do what me and my friends did: All of you play until just before a gym battle and battle each other. Good shit.

>inb4 no friends

>>25908329
R/B still weren't hard. And they won't make the game tough because it's a fucking kids game you moron.

>>25908338
all it takes one retard to powersave their shit and it ruins it for the whole group

People are retarded. They brought back "Gotta catch em all" and added an experience share that makes training easier in a game with 450 Pokémon so people would use more Pokémon. Catching 5 and using them start to finish is not the point.

>>25908066

... oh, forgotten, also most using shit, pokemon defeated, sending a slave pokemon, go to bag and revive the pokemon, send again... shitty tactics on gold/silver/red/blue, doing this 10 times in one battle, like against lance. Gen6+ cocksuckers, your argument are invalid.

>>25908352
None of us do that; besides, we'd just stop battling them.

>>25908390
For those that don't like to decipher poorly written arguments:
>Oh, I forgot all about using a shitmon, having it be defeated, tossing in your HM slave and reviving the shitmon and sending it in again. You probably did this 10+ times against actually hard trainers like Lance. Gen6+ cocksuckers, your argument is invalid.

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>>25898446

>>25908329
>Prove it fag
Anything with a Special stat over 80 demolishes the game easily.

In Gen 6, the exp you gain is no longer divided by the number of pokemon that participate in the battle. You can gain anywhere from 100% to 600% of the exp yield compared to previous generations.
If you have the exp share on and a full team of six pokemon, then it ranges from 350% to 600%.
Basically, the exp mechanics in gen 6 are fucked.

>>25908394
how would you know? What if they spent the time breeding and training, would you stop battling them because you keep loosing.

>>25898461

Kek. Not using the EXP share changes nothing. Trust me, I've done it. Unless you're just extremely bad at the game I don't see how the Kalos E4 could ever be a challenge for anyone.

>>25908457
What kind of faggot spends time breeding and training an in-game team? No one did that, and no one won consistently enough to warrant claiming they cheated.

>>25908453
First it was 350%
Now it's 600%

You shitposters really like going off on one,

>>25908486
That's up to 600% WITHOUT using the exp share.

>>25908329
This post reeks of 11 year-old.

In Alpha Sapphire I once gained over a million experience from one battle.

>>25908329
Is part of the game in both version, deal with it

>>25899527
My physics teacher in high school did

I'm playing pokèmon mainline games since fucking 2000 and I never had any issue with being underleveled against the E4. Even if you're level 40 and they're level 60, you still can win by using the right mons and moves. The only time I wasn't underleveled (gen 6) I really curbstomped the E4.

>>25907677
The problem with this argument is that it requires you to know everything about the game beforehand. You get given the Exp Share but you don't know whether you need it until your Pokemon are way over levelled. Same with Amie, unless you spend hours reading serebii beforehand you don't know what benefits you get.

>>25898446
Why is Scrafty using Scary Face on Blastoise?

In gens 1 to 5, whenever I got to the champion, I was ten or fifteen levels lower than him.

By the time I got to Steven in Alpha Sapphire, my entire party was level 100. My fucking HM slave was higher level than any of his pokemon.

>>25898446
I sincerely have no idea which Pokemon the player is using in the upper screenshot.

>>25908481
so you remove IV breeding And EV training and have a set level battle with rock paper scissor attitude, I'm sure its fun.

>>25908597
and probably better than most of the competitive shit.

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>replayed the VC releases of Red/Blue

Gen 1 is easy as hell. I forgot how decent the team balance is. Never lost once, and I had one fight in the 14 hours I played it where I had multiple faints in a battle, and I wanna say that was against the Rival at some point.

Just because it was hard when you were a kid, doesn't mean it's hard now.

>>25908560
>The problem with this argument is that it requires you to know everything about the game beforehand.
We aren't talking about casuals that wouldn't care either way anon, we're talking about us, the people who trawl serebii for any kind of info.
We knew what Amie did long before the game even came out and that it required a bit of time playing it before those specific benefits even kicked in.
As for the exp share by the time you notice you're over levelled there's still time to box that pokemon, turn off the exp share and still have those pokemon be at a regular level especially if you're the type of player that switches their lead regularly.

The concept of difficulty in a turn-based JRPG is kind of abstract to begin with. They involve no skill, and only the richest of them require even a modicum of strategic thinking. It all boils down to how long you spend grinding for exp.

That said, gen 6 Pokemon still manages to be so dumbed down that it's downright insulting.

>>25898446
Gen VI was made for brainless mobile casuals, tell us something new.

>>25908590

Literally how

>>25908596
It's vaporeon underage mother fucker.

>>25908744
Pro-tip: if you want to play using a theme team, trade them into your game BEFORE they hatch from eggs.

>>25908761

>gets 50% more xp than normal
>complains about being overleved

That doesn't make a lot of sense.

>>25908775
You really think these people have a modicum of sense?

>>25908775
Yeah, it was partly my own fault, I'll concede that.
The gen 6 exp mechanics are still fucked though.

>>25908780

Sometimes.

>>25908790

Somehow ORAS seemed okay on the first match against Steven for me, while XY elite four and champion were a lot easier. I even forgot that I had two hm slaves on my team.

Though I guess it's just because my ORAS team wasn't good against mega metagross the first time. Rematches were easy as fuck though.

>>25898498
>>25898676
Bull-fucking-shit.
This is impossible unless you fought a lot in the battle chateau/restaurants, which are optional.

>>25898676

Did you wonder trade your entire team or something?

>>25908834
Or, like, maybe they switch pokemon in battle sometimes?

>>25908848
Switching pokemon wouldn't net you that much EXP.

>>25908851
In gen 6 it would. The exp gain isn't divided by the number of pokemon that participated in battle anymore.

>>25908858
It still wouldn't net you that much EXP unless you did some excessive grinding with the EXP share and Amie boosts.

I played through XY without Exp. Share, not killing any wild Pokemon, just fighting the obligatory trainers and the game was pretty challenging.

>>25898446
>Gets pixilate
>Has no normal moves

Good job game freak
Same thing for the drake rematch. That one pissed me off more, because it was supposedto be harder and they still droppedthe ball

>>25908873
If you take a turn to switch your pokemon against every opponent pokemon (which is somewhat plausible if your battle mode is Set) then you effectively double your exp gains.

>>25908719
>ruining the surprise of the game by looking everything up on serebii
Are you seriously complaining that the game is too easy for people who know literally everything about it beforehand?

I guess that means you're too stupid to realise the solution isn't "stop using exp share" it's "stop looking stuff up".

>>25899063
>much optimal builds
Good job you made a new competitive meme

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In ORAS, obtain six Pokemon traded in from foreign language games. These pokemon must be capable of evolving by leveling up. I used German Wurmples.
Level them up to the level that they evolve or higher, but do not allow them to evolve.
Equip each one with a Lucky Egg. Wild Pelipper sometimes holds the item, and Dexnav makes them easier to find.
Play with each of the six pokemon in Amie until each one has at least 2 hearts of affection.
Go to a secret base containing a battle against three level 100 Blisseys. QR codes are readily available on the internet. Be sure to activate the level release.
Use the Exp Up O-Power level 3 and enter battle.
Switch your pokemon during battle so that all six of them participate.

This gave me 239,160 exp each for my pokemon, for a total of 1,434,960. This is well over the amount of exp that Arceus needs to reach level 100. Oddly enough, though, it would only bring Swalot up to level 96.

My Wurmples all went from level 10 to level 62, and I spent about 20 minutes after the battle leveling them up (plus three more evolving them all. They all became Silcoons.)

>>25908963
but y tho

>>25898446
This argument is bullshit. The "much better and harder" Gen's champion and elite 4 can be swept with a level 47 Lapras. You only think Gen 1 is better or more challenging because the game is broken to shit and there's nowhere decent to grind besides the elite 4

>>25908994
cuz i wanted to get the exp millionaire medal on the global link :3

>>25898446
Unless you're 20+ levels under, it doesn't really matter.

>>25898446
you used blizzard on a water pokemon 10 levels higher than you. even worse, it looks like you purchased pokemon x or y.

>>25908329
what the fuck are you going on about

>>25898446
Grinding in general is a lot easier in oras & XY I remember that I did grind with exp share. on maybe 2-3 times during my first playtrough of XY and my pokemon were around level 90 when I entered the league

The games were never terribly difficult, but gen 6 is just insulting.
Did you know that pokeballs will never fail if you use them on the first route that has wild pokemon?

>>25909041

>grinding

Why would you even need to?

>>25898446
They need to at least give us two different versions of exp share. I want to exp share one pokemon, not my whole team- that's why I think the exp share change is bullshit. Give us something in the middle.

>>25909109
I like being OP when I play the main storyline

>>25909109
I've needed to grind in Pokemon before.
For example, at the beginning of my Caterpie Solo in Leaf Green.

>>25898446
Nice injection, gaylord

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>>25908507

>>25908997
>needing to grind

you're supposed to use your smarts as a trainer to win battles. not mindless grinding.

>>25908590
I experienced something similar