>Blastoise fire truck in Sun and Moon concept art >confirmed

>>25894626
I'll take that over another Black & White every time.

>>25894626
Good. BW dex was a mistake

>>25894626
Customable vehicles as transport method when?
>Gamefreak
Nevermind, these vehicles will be used in the same way as the gimmicky Rhyhorn riding will be used: small linear roads with nothing interesting going on.

>>25894626
Yeah I'd rather have a huge bunch of new shitmons to catch once then never look at again. Oh wait...

>>25894685
>>25894709
Anon, pls.

>>25894626
70 new Pokémon?

No thanks. I'm not buying this game.

>>25894751
Yes you will

>>25894626
>he liked bw's limited dex
Good taste.

>>25894784
He can just pirate it.

The only 3DS game I'm buying over the next year is Dragon Quest VII, I'll only buy SM if there's 100+ new non megas.

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>>25894626
>concept art confirming anything

>>25894685
>>25894709
>Waaaah, I don't wanna use new Pokemon mama!

>>25894626
Why the fuck do you want 10000 more Pokemon per game? Do you enjoy imbalance and power creep?

Honestly I hope they add 11 new Pokemon and focus on giving old ones better stat distribution and movepools.

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>>25894685
>>25894709
Good job, you're what's wrong with the world.

>>25895880
>Oh boy I can't wait for another Dex full of garbage that will never be used!

>>25894735
>>25895880
>>25895896
>Waaaah, I don't want to have as many possible Pokemon to choose from in my playthrough because I get triggered when I see popular Pokemon mama!

>>25894685
Except you must accept playing through BW is simply epic

>>25895892
I enjoy changes to the meta and making new bros.

Stagnation is for fags, I don't buy for new regions, I buy for new mons.

>>25895995
Having some limitations forced to make you vary and not just use the same over and over again is healthy game design. Especially the direction they went with BW and BW2, where you got accustomed to the new pokémon in BW and got variation in BW2.

>>25896043
We can have changes to the meta without adding new Pokemon. We already have 721 and maybe 50 of those are viable competitively. I'd rather have the existing ones made more viable before we just start throwing more into the mix.

>>25896073
Unless they add 100 new good moves, not really.

I like the level of change that B/W brought best, inb4 REEEE GENIES

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>>25896073
Fuck the meta. i just want more Pokemon and neat characters.

>>25896100
90% of Gen V mons are nowhere near the top of the meta. Gen V was certainly nice DURING THE CAMPAIGN, but it didn't stir up the metagame nearly as much as Gen VI did with megas and rebalancing.

>>25896060
There's a way to force yourself to only use new Pokemon in games like X and Y, it's called having self-control and only using new Pokemon. When you limit the variety of wild Pokemon, not only does it restrict the players' options, it restricts the NPC trainers' options too. One of the best things about X and Y was that every trainer had a completely different team, unlike previous generations where everyone on the same route had very similar Pokemon.

There are over 700 Pokemon to choose from. This is something that should be celebrated rather than locking most of them away for no reason.

>>25896073
And we all know GF cares fuckall about properly balancing old shitmons. They will give irrelevant +10 to BSTs, give megas to pokemon that dont need them and give shitmons shitmegas. Unless you think GF will now start introducing new types and retype all old shitmons every gen to make them viable then okay

New pokemon makes gameplay fresh and are more likely to change the meta than some tweaked old shitmon.

>>25896134
Enjoy your scripted pidgey as first encounter

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>>25894626

I hope that is the case, because I always run Bug-type teams and usually need to dip into past gens to fill them out. On the other hand, if SuMo winds up being like Gen V and adds a bunch of completely new bug Pokemon, that would be stellar. If it only adds one new bug line like Gen VI, I will be incredibly disappointed.

>>25896132
>OU is the only meta
UU changed so much

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>>25896134
>There are over 700 Pokemon to choose from. This is something that should be celebrated rather than locking most of them away for no reason.
Can you stop being so horribly limited in your thought processes and reasoning abilities? It's not all that hard to consider why it was done.

>>25896166
Smogon metagames are a byproduct of GF refusing to balance existing mons. If the game was properly balanced then we wouldn't need arbitrary tiers.

>>25895880
What's the point of playing a Pokémon game if you can't use your favorite Pokémon?

>>25896169
Can you stop being so horribly limited in your thought process and reasoning abilities? It's not all that hard to consider why people might want more options in a game that's all about team-building.

>>25896183
Play the old games, then

>>25896183

What's the point of playing Pokemon if you only rely on old favorites instead of giving new Pokemon a chance?

>>25894626
>I'm so hyped to once again have only a scant 70 new Pokémon
>70

Why so optimistic?
Masuda said there would be a little more than a dozen of new pokemon

>>25896174
That's because Game Freak doesn't give a shit about the competitive aspect. They introduce a bunch of stuff, but they don't truly care about your metagame and competitive stuff.

>>25896188
But what if I want to explore new regions and fight new Pokémon using my favorite old Pokémon?

>>25896196
>not liking both old and new Pokemon
You're just as bad as a genwunner.

>>25896174
Balance doesn't make sense, not all organisms are created equal.

Why have boxing tiers? why not let everyone fight the same people?

>>25896219
It's a video game about magic animals that shoot lasers and blow up. It doesn't have to mimic reality.

>>25896215
BW allowed old mons after the E4

>>25896233
So only after beating the game?

>>25896208
Too bad. Learn to adapt and try out the new Pokemon.

>>25896247
You could just use Pokebank and transfer your bros that can't be caught during the main game?

But no, too much work for the picky baby?

>>25896247
Yes. You already traversed 5-6 regions with your old bros. no need to do it again

>>25896227
But at the same time, not every Pokemon is going to be as powerful as others. Some get left in the dust.

Poor Sunflora

>>25896134
This guy gets it. XY had God-tier Pokemon selection, and it was great to use bros from past region as well as new ones in the same run.

>>25896286
There's no reason they have to be, though. If a shitmon is irredeemable GF should throw it a bone with more moves/base stats.

>>25896295
It's the ratio that's bad. 72/450 are the only new pokemon. It ruined immersion even if you tried to stick to only new pokemon

>>25896278
I didn't know you could use PokéBank in Gen 5.

>>25896254
>>25896282
Not even a Genwunner, but how is that even remotely fair?

>>25896324
Fair to what? You know what's not fair? People expecting a NEW game and getting unending pandering to old pokemon who already had their time, a lot of which have already been used and featured up to 5-6 regions already.

>>25896254
>>25896282
>want to do a Poison mono-type run in White
>only three Poison types available
Having older Pokemon completely avoids this issue. Black 2/White 2 had older Pokemon and no-one complains about that. In fact, the Pokemon diversity in Black 2/White 2 was actually one of the best things about the game.

>>25896314
Use pokesav or cheats, nigger.

>>25894626
Anon, be realistic.

>40-50 new pokemon max
>15-25 new Mega evolutions (that cannot be used until the second half of the game)

>>25896358
Yes but compare B2W2's ratio of new:old vs XY's

XY's new pokemon weren't even a quarter of the regional dex ffs

Why can't all of you understand that new Pokémon should get love too?

Yeah, I suspect there are going to be only around 50 new Pokemon this time around. I think they'll focus on the franchise as a whole rather than new Pokemon since it's a 20th anniversary game.

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>>25896344
>You should only be allowed to use new Pokémon!
>Who cares about any of the old Pokémon that people have been attached to for years?
>Instead, GF should fill the PokéDex with useless filler!
Unovabortions everyone.

>>25896382
>older Pokemon existing means that newer Pokemon don't exist
Where's the logic in this? If anything, it actually made me more excited when I saw a new Pokemon because it felt fresh. When every Pokemon was new in Black/White, the novelty wore off after the first route.

>>25896358
I wonder if anyone ever started D/P planning on doing a Fire mono-type run.

I just don't want the new Pokémon to be overshadowed too much.

>>25896215

Where did I imply anything of the sort?

>>25896406
>doesnt try new mons
>call them useless filler
Gee i wonder why

>>25894784
I didn't buy Pokémon X and Y

>>25896406
The ideal is obviously
NEW POKEMON
GOOD DESIGNS

How can you actually argue against that?

I will never understand about people who complain about older Pokemon being in the newer games. Do you complain about Mario being playable in Smash Bros? Do you complain about Ryu being playable in Street Fighter? No other video game fanbase complains about shit like this.

>>25896520
Because I want to catch and train zubat for the 81st time and everything i dont catch are useless filler gatbage trashmons

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>>25896524
When smash bros and street fighter are about collecting monsters of different forms, powers and species, then bring this up

>>25896183
>>25896188
>>25895880
>>25894685
>>25894709

The Golden ratio is 3/4 all new Pokemon and 1/4 old favorites. Common "vermin" Pokemon like Zubat and Rattata, "pollution" Pokemon like Grimers and Trubbish, and other such common archetypes should be reused as the situation allows, rather than making "all new" Pokemon that basically are rehashes. Starters should never be reused, and in fact I hope the element wheel for starters gets changed up next gen (like Espeon and Umbreon in Colosseum). It would be a nice change seeing a few old legendaries feature prominently in the lore of new regions, along with some new legends as well. People react far better to "alien" new Pokemon forms when they are presented along with a sprinkle of old favorites.

I'll admit BW was a little jarring, but let's not go back to XY or even GSC, where it's literally just Kanto all over again. There's a happy medium somewhere that B2W2 achieved nicely.

>>25896557
This doesn't stop at the mainline games though. Even with Pokken, people were pissed off because Pokemon like Charizard and Lucario got into the game. Complaints about Pikachu Libre are completely valid (that slot should have gone to Hawlucha) but people here just get angry because something is popular.

dude there are a billion pokemon already.

they could add just 15 new ones in SM and there would still be too many Pokémon.

>>25896520
Yeah. Because Garbodor, Vanilluxe, Keldeo, Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Druddigon, Samurott, Emboar, Emolga, Kyurem, Reshiram, Conkeldurr, and Musharna had such good designs. Right.

>>25896608
Irrelevant. Pokken is the first of its game.

>>25896626
Fuck you, there aren't enough.

If you count whole lines as singular pokemon then we probably have like 300, which is fucking nothing.

>>25896535
Most of the Pokémon in Gen 5 were trash though. Just look at all of those horribly designed legendaries as well as the awful starters.

>>25896662
Im glad you agree.

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>>25894626

Might wanna wash some salt out of your eyes, OP.

Nobody is really complaining about old Pokemon being available in the new ones.
But having 99% of the old ones being prevalent and there only being like 60 or so new ones that are supposed to bring diversity and new experiences isn't the same as having a good number of new Pokemon say 100 and having some old ones dispersed throughout the game and more old ones unlock able past E4.
The games are supposed to be fresh new and exciting not mundane with only a hand full of new pokes who may not even be well designed. It's about the Pokemon, it's the Franchise's name ffs

>>25896680
Gen 5 had the best designs outside of the trash and icecream lines

>>25896727
>not liking garbodor and vanilluxe

Why is everyone all of a sudden sucking gen 5's cock?

>>25895949
Bw is the only game when i have to change party pokemons a lot because there are so many cool ones

>>25896748
underage fags who grew up with gen 5 are growing up, coming on here, and defending it since it's their first game

>>25896727
I wouldn't say it had the absolute best designs, but it did have a lot of great designs. I agree with the other anon about the legendaries and starters though.

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>>25896727
Wrong.

>>25896662
You picked a very small amount of pokemon out of a huge dex that (You) think looks bad.
Not him, but that doesn't really prove any point you're trying to make, you can pull about the same amount of designs out of your ass for every gen.

>>25896727
fucking kek

>>25896770
Like this?
>>25896763

>>25896727
It's certainly not the best, there were some great designs but the majority ended up being awkward and forgettable. It was a lot like gen 2 in that regard. Although gen 2 had too many pointless baby Pokemon and single-stage shitmons while gen 5 had too many legendaries and three-stage Pokemon that really should have been one or two stage Pokemon.

>>25896770
Started with RBY, gen 5 is the first game I legitimately enjoyed since GSC

You tried, though

>>25896772
It's not a bad design, you just hate it because Pony = mlp bronies in your fucked up mind

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>>25896727

I agree, but I actually like both Trubbish/Garbodor and Vanillite/Vanillish (not a fan of Vanilluxe though).

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>>25896727

Not the best, but still better than it gets credit for.

>>25896748

Because hating Gen V was always a meme.

The games should only have new pokemon in the regional dex.

Old pokemon are okay to have in the game, just have them in from a different means (Safari Zone, Possible pokemon adoption centers, etc)

The whole point of a new region is "OH SWEET LOOK AT ALL OF THESE NEW POKEMON WE'VE NEVER SEEN" Not "WOAH COOL LOOK AT THIS NEW POKEMON I'VE NEVER SEEN RIGHT NEXT TO THIS COLONY OF FUCKING MAGIKARP THAT ARE FROM KANTO BUT ALSO NATIVE TO THIS NEW REGION WOOOW"

>>25896848

Even if MLP did not exist, Keldeo would still be an atrocious Pokemon design.

>>25896848

Calling it's design garbage is an insult to Garbodor. People give gen 4 legendaries shit while that piece of dog shit exists.

>>25896933
This. It's bulbous and goofy, and nothing about its appearance is indicative of its typing.

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>>25894626
>post game that plays like Pokémon Ranger where you get a job as a fire fighter
Sounds good to me

>>25896562
This guy gets it. Bring in Pokémon that we know and that would make sense (woobats in caves, corphish in water) but tone it down. It should be mostly new Pokémon in S&M, but some areas should have a Pokémon from a past Gen to let players not get so overwhelmed. We don't need to make a new zubat every time.

That being said, the focus should still be on new Pokémon. We don't want S&M turning into a kanto shitfest like XY.

>>25896913
>preferring genies over the swords trio
delete this and kill yourself

>>25896927
This.

GF should really figure out which Pokémon is native to where. Like, Eevee isn't actually native to Kanto. It'd be cool to see Tyrogue in the wild in S&M because that would imply that this is where Tyrogue are native to, let's you use the entire evolutionary chain without them being gift Pokémon and adds the flavor of past gens.

That's how past Gen pokemon should be sprinkled into new games to make them feel more natural and appease both sides of the fanbase.

>>25897071

"Preferring" is a strong word, the Genies are just meh to me. I can't even work up the energy to actively hate them, but their basis is pretty neat. The "musketeers", on the other hand, are just obnoxious.

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>>25896770
>People only like the new gems because they grew up with them
>they should like the gen that I like because I grew up with it
>I can't comprehend anybody liking anything for any other reason

>>25894626
Why build a fucking firetruck for Blastoise, instead of giving a fireman just a bike and pokeball

>>25897804
the key thing here is "all of a sudden." Sure people can like it. But the way that SUDDENLY people are defending it so bad makes it obvious. Underage fags are growing up in clusters. Sorry you've been spotted, underagefag

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>>25896073
>I'd rather have the existing ones made more viable before we just start throwing more into the mix.

>>25896132
>Gen V was certainly nice DURING THE CAMPAIGN, but it didn't stir up the metagame nearly as much
Weather wars were not a thing in genIV

>>25896368
>>15-25 new Mega evolutions (that cannot be used until the second half of the game)

>Implying you won't get the Mega Stone before the first gym

I hope they do only new mons in the initial games again but it's fine that it's not this time. If it happens every few gens I'd be happy.

>>25897091
>Like, Eevee isn't actually native to Kanto
Eevee's are native to Unova apparently

>>25898552
and kalos

>>25898593
Holy shit. How did I not know this?

>>25896073
Nobody relevant cares about the meta, fucking tourneyfag.

>>25898158
Not him, but I remember Gen 1 days fondly down to Ash and Misty figures, Imakuni? and all those Anime Web Turnpike sites and still think Black and White was the Pokemon experience many didn't know they deserved.

You're a grown ass man, try to be less picky about these things.

>>25896165
Vivillon is better than the Gen 5 Bugs though.

>>25898305
>why don't we have both
Because this is GameFreak we're dealing with here.

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>>25896927
I agree, as much as I get tempted to try out older mons i've used before, it genuinely feels more fun to try a newer mon out for a spin, unless the older one has a new evo or the rare mega exception. You never know what they can pull or if you'll grow to like them and make them a personal favourite.
Its like picky eating with this "I wanna use x again", you have so many options but when you go out to eat, you want the same things you eat so many times
>"I don't care about these other foods, I want a cheeseburger like I always have"
>"fuck new pokemon or other water types, I want to use a gyarados like I have every other game"

>>25903059
are you nuts anon?

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>>25903059
Lies

>>25894685
>>25894709
faggots

5 is best gen

>"N-New pokemon? oh no, I'm not going to use the same pokemon i always do?"
>"THIS IS THE FUCKING END OF POKEMON ITSELF"

I know this is /vp/, but you guys aren't that autistic, are you?

>>25896562
Everything is Kanto all over again.

>>25896312
If anything there should be less new pokemon.

>>25903578
You could use gen 3, 4, 5 or 6 pokes you never used too. Nothings stopping you.

>>25903814
Well if they're obtainable easier in that game then their debut game, then go wild my man. I was guilty of using Houndoom in Platinum since G/S at the time basically housed them in Kanto.
I'm mainly on about people who will look at something new, not even try it and then go "nah, you suck" while recycling the same species of mon at any given moment. I can understand liking them enough, but I feel you'd just burn it out with tuning in, especially if all you'rr getting is a slightly revamped level up moveset as the main difference, which can be dived into postgame