>Yfw IVs are removed in SuMo

>>25890668

Nah, they'll be in S&M. They won't change things that much.

>>25890668
Competitive becomes even less varied than it already is, big surprise.

>>25890682
>>25890685
>competitivefags on suicide watch

>>25890672
this, considering it's still the same gen. It'll just add some new pokemon but nothing with the core mechanics will be changed.

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>>25890700
>add new pokemon
>same gen

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>>25890700
>considering it's still the same gen

>>25890685
Everyone maxes out every IV except maybe attack and speed at times for foul play and trick room. Outside of that IVs don't add anything to competitive.

The only real thing removing them from the game would change would be Hidden power, but im sure they could figure out something else for that. Not saying I think they would remove IV's, but certainly would be nice.

>>25890668
Never going to happen.

>>25890706
OR/AS added new pokemon, and it wasn't considered gen 7 you moron.

>>25890668
sauce?

>>25890726

Except it didn't.

>>25890726
>ORAS
>new pokemon
???

>>25890706
>muh patterns

>>25890727
The fuck you talking about? It's obviously meant as a hypothetical.

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>>25890668
>mfw IVs removed
>mfw Megas retconned

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>>25890727

>>25890715
Hidden Power, speed ties, gyro ball, speed creeps after certain boosts, lowering certain IVs to activate berries faster, overal IV's give each pokemon a decent amount of customization.
I do think they should let you choose them though, instead of having them at random through breeding, you should be able to visit some old guy that enables you to distribute your pokemons IVs in any way you want.

>>25890668
>yfw pokemon transferred to Sun and Moon get their IVs scrambled
>the same happens when you trade over the internet with friends or GTS

>>25890726
New megas != new pokemon

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>>25890744
You see anon, that anonymous poster was obviously aroused and interested by the picture the Original Poster of this thread used. Thus, he wished to find the source for that.

>>25890726
>Megas
>New Pokemon

Even though gamefreak says their new gens, you faggots are still in denial. For fucks sake, the next CoroCoro can show new starters and new region and you'll still do the mental gymnastics to "prove" it's still gen 6.

>>25890731
>Implying mega evolutions and primal reversion aren't new pokemon
>Implying "Pokemon XD: Gale of darkness" was gen 4 because it had new pokemon (Bonsly).

>>25890762

Yes, I may have misunderstood what he was asking for the source of. Point taken.

>>25890769
ORAS's advertisement used new Pokemon as a key factor. Even X and Y teased Mega Mewtwo Y as a "new Pokemon with a familiar appearance".

Not to say that the whole "what gen is it" argument is fucking retarded bullshit to begin with, but GF dug their own bed in this fight by pulling that kind of shit in the past.

>>25890770
>Implying mega evolutions and primal reversion aren't new pokemon

Who's implying that? We're flat-out saying it. No, they're very obviously not new Pokemon.

>>25890782
isn't*

>>25890782
>ORAS's advertisement used new Pokemon as a key factor

You're gonna have to provide some evidence of that. Are you sure they said "new Pokemon," as opposed to "new Mega-evolutions?"

>>25890770
Megas and primals are not new pokemon, they're clearly just fucking glorified form changes. I don't know how people could still fail to grasp this

>>25890744
yes, i meant op's picture

This thread is more like lazy people wishlist.

Nothing of this is happening, but hey.

>>25890782

New dex numbers or bust.

>>25890779
This is how you fucking fix it, instead of throwing everything out the window, you just make everything available and easily changed.
Make it optional too for the faggots that think breeding is amazing.

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>>25890770
it's GEN 7.
GEN.
7.
WHAT PART OF THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO WRAP YOUR MIND AROUND?

>>25890826
Gens are a social construct

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>>25890726
>OR/AS added new pokemon
>implying new pokemon equaling new megas
>not simply "forms" despite bullshit marketing buzzwords

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>>25890668

>>25890668
>SuMo
Its SM

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>>25890843
>Gens are a social construct
>Implying ''gens'' being only a fan term

K bud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzO6J981nAw

>>25890861
>SM
It's S&M

>>25890891
>RB
>GS
>RS
>DP
>BW
>XY
And suddenly
>S&M
Its SM

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>>25890891
>pokemon ORAS
>pokemon BW
>pokemon RS
it's SM, FUCK OFF 6.5NIGGER

>>25890900
>>25890907

I acknowledge the inconsistency. But calling it S&M is mildly amusing. And that's enough for me.

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>>25890861
THEY GOT GUTS

>>25890782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_YC0MXJ-0

Here's how they revealed Mega Mewtwo Y, note the video description:

>Get a glimpse of a newly discovered Pokémon in Pokémon X and Pokémon Y that bears an intriguing resemblance to the Legendary Mewtwo!

>>25890798
I can't find what I want from the US Pokemon ORAS website since most of the pre-release hype has been turned into a guide for newcomers on how to find things like megastones, but digging back to when the games were announced gave me this little nugget from Serebii circa May 8th 2014:

>Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire

Following its reveal yesterday, there has been some question as to the actual content of Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire, as to whether they're remakes or new versions due to the wording of the announcement. During the Investor Briefing today, Satoru Iwata confirmed that Pokémon Omega Ruby & Pokémon Alpha Sapphire are full-remakes of the 2002 releases, Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire. We'll bring more on these games as it comes
Edit @ 15:38: The Japanese arm of The Pokémon Company sent out an e-mail to all Daisuki Club members which ends up pointing out the differences to Groudon & Kyogre on the box-art, stating that they're showcasing "never before seen Pokémon", the same terminology they used for Black & White Kyurem, as well as Mega Mewtwo Y upon their reveal, indicating that they are more than stylised artwork of the Pokémon. We'll bring more on this as it comes.

In other words, it's GF's vague and retarded way of teasing things that has caused the possibility for them to say "New Pokemon" and not give new dex numbers.

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>>25890668
>everyone gets! perfect pokemon

Yay now the games are even easier

What they need to do is make IV breeding easier, not remove it altogether
That would be retarded and pandering to casuals/children

>>25890969
>pandering to casuals/children

Also known as "selling games."

>>25890974
>Its okay when Nintendo does it!

>>25890969
>Yay now the games are even easier

No, they're just a fuckton less boring. There's nothing hard about breeding because the player can't fucking control it.

>>25890982
Thats why you make it easier to breed good IV's
Removing it altogether would make the gyms and elite 4 pathetically easy, even more so than they were in XY ORAS, and it would completely fuck up competitive for actual serious players. It would be casual pandering.

>>25890977

It's a children's series. You can hardly blame them for trying to sell games to children.

>>25891002
They're not though, you are asking for them to pander to children. Are you a child?

>>25890995
>Thats why you make it easier to breed good IV's

I don't see the point.

>Removing it altogether would make the gyms and elite 4 pathetically easy
No, because 1. IVs BARELY matter in-game, and 2. the NPCs are going to have the same perfect IVs.

>and it would completely fuck up competitive for actual serious players

No it wouldn't because everyone min/maxes IVs anyway.

>>25891009

I'm not asking them to pander to children. But I don't deny that it's commercially rational for them to do so.

>>25891011
>I don't see the point.

>"fuckton less boring"

>NPC's are going to have the same perfect IV's

Yes that is exactly what I meant you idiot
In the previous games the leaders and elite 4 have cranked up Pokes so they can pose an actual challenge. Removing that altogether would ruin a part of that, and it would remove that awesome feeling of breeding some super powerful pokemon.

>No it wouldn't because everyone min/maxes IVs anyway

Hackers*

>>25890752
>tfw you recognize most of the pics

This is a terrible idea
You do know why they introduced IV's in the first place dont you?

>>25890668
I have no face because it's never going to happen.

>>25891017
>>25890977

>>25891009
POKEMON IS A FUCKING KID'S GAME
OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO PANDER TO CHILDREN YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>25891095
WEW LAD CAPS LOCK SOMEONE IS MAD
THEY'RE NOT REMOVING IV's
YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO REMOVE IV's
THEY AREN'T PANDERING TO CHILDREN, YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO
ARE YOU A CHILD?

LEARN ENGLISH COMPREHENSION

>>25891095
I think well over 2/3 of the fanbase are adults m8

>>25890969
This makes the game harder because all in game trainers presently have 0iv pokemon. Lets's say your mons have an average of 12 in all stats. If all IVs are maxed in SM, you've gained 19 in each stat but trainers have gained 31; comparatively harder.

If all IVs become zero, you've lost 12 and trainers have lost none; comparatively harder from current mechanics.

>>25890756
OR just leave that to EVs where it belongs.

>>25891153
>Gen 1 was harder

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>All HMs get the Eon Flute treatment removing the need for HM Slaves

>>25891143
I think you're very wrong about that, m8.

>>25891178
Now THIS is actually a good idea
Or make them "traits" of pokemon so that you dont have to waste slots on shitty moves

>>25891181
This is an 18+ site, please leave

>>25891018
>>"fuckton less boring"
I mean compared to just cutting IVs altogether you mong

>Yes that is exactly what I meant you idiot
>In the previous games the leaders and elite 4 have cranked up Pokes so they can pose an actual challenge

They pose an actual challenge because they actually have full teams, actual movesets, and usually higher than player levels. IVs have little to do with it.

>Hackers*
Yes. These are the people who play competitive because IVs are a retarded pain in the ass.

>>25891201
Its never going to happen m8

>>25891168
There were IVs in kanto, known as DVs. You had random, trainers had zero

>>25890762
I remember reading that on fakku before they took down all the shit. Good faps. Anybody know the name of it?

Also I think the game would be better off without 2 different stat customization stats that are both under the hood and super rng and grind heavy.

>>25891212
it will if people complain hard enough.

>>25891273
The only people that complain are whiny faggots like yourself, so thats not going to happen either

Why dont we make every pokemon shiny too, And remove levels, and EV's? I mean its all just grinding. :^)

>>25891280
>Why dont we make every pokemon shiny too
because it has nothing to do with how objectively good the pokemon is and it's just an aesthetic thing.

>And remove levels
Levels are directly controllable by the player and they control difficulty in the game.

>and EV's
They are easily controllable and there's not a single objectively best set, even for one Pokemon unlike IVs.

>>25890668
I know they want to make things simpler again but they could do it by just reducing the IV range. Make it something like 0-10.

>>25890824
>make it optional but make it way easier on me since I either don't want to invest the time to get good pokemon or simply don't understand how the system works but people that are autistic or dedicated can keep doing that even though its pointless

naa fuck off

breeding won't change
IVs will stay the same
EVs might change but I doubt it

just get used to the fact that the pokemon you catch in the story are your friends but they fucking suck and the only way to get actually useful pokemon is to put in the time for them

>>25891298
So how could you possibly be against them increasing the odds of breeding decent mons as opposed to removing the feature all together?

Removing it would spoil it for a lot of people like myself who are into the competitive scene. Keeping them the way they are would still make people like you mad, so if we just made them simpler then everyone wins right?

>>25891188
A system from Ranger would be good, each Pokemon gets one field move it can use with no strings attached. They can still put the badge restriction if they want, but otherwise no more stupid HM slaves

>>25891321
This
I hate using up a spot in my team for a shitty sharpedo or a ducklett

>>25891317
>Removing it would spoil it for a lot of people like myself who are into the competitive scene.

I AM into the competitive scene. IVs don't fucking add anything to it. All it is is a pointless barrier before actually battling.

>>25891335
Good for you bro

>>25891273
The only ones that complain are western fans, and there arent that many of them to make a difference. There are still quite a lot of people who enjoy breeding.

In Japan, grinding is considered a natural part of the game design, to the point people can't imagine a game without some sort of grinding element in it. Why so you think games like Monster Hunter and Puzzle and Dragon got popular? And these are way, WAY more grindy than Pokemon ever was. Be thankful for what we have.

>>25890668
Good
you should only need EVs and nature

>>25891345
Monster Hunter is fucking fantastic though

>keep IVs
>keep EVs
>Bring back X/Y trainer customization
>Add in comprehensive move tutors who are able to teach pokemon every move they could learn in that generation and all previous generations, except for moves that they could learn through TM/HMs and Egg moves.
>change the way surfing works or reduce the encounter rate while surfing
>add a new mega for every single fully evolved pokemon in the game that makes them worth using in some way or remove megas altogether

this is what is needed to make the game good

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>>25890668
>yfw IVs retained but reworked so that they can be incremented through some form of alternate super training or ev conversion or something

There, everyone wins.

>>25891356
I agree, but thats not relevant to the discussion

>>25891366
I thought you were implying MH is a shitty grindfest
Grinding is the whole point of the game

>>25891363
I think you mean

>I win and breeders lose because breeding takes a lot of time and isn't fun to me so make an easier way to do what they do that invalidates what they do

pretty much sums it up

>>25891361
>add a new mega for every single fully evolved pokemon in the game that makes them worth using in some way or remove megas altogether
You don't know dick about game design if this is what you think would make the game good

>>25891375
this makes me sad

>>25891374
MH is a shitty grindfest but it's still a good game, just like Pokemon

>>25891382
megas were probably the single worst decision the franchise has ever made

their introduction and the fact that you are limited to 1 per team pretty much invalidates 90% of the pokemon roster from ever being good.

it stagnates the game even more than it already was by forcing players to use one of a handful of select pokemon that people might not want to use

either you get inclusive and make it so that everyone gets a mega so that people can use what they want and try to build a team around their favorites or you remove the mechanic wholesale to return the game back to a, still shitty, but less shitty state than it is currently in.

>>25891312
And that's why Pokemon as a series changes so little. No matter how obtrusive some mechanics can be, there will always be retards to defend them.

>>25891395
Megas were created so that people could use "their favorites". There was still a definite roster of strong pokemon before megas, megas just added a few pokemon to that list. Even if every fully evolved pokemon got a mega, some would still be significantly more useful than others. There just aren't enough distinct niches to avoid having some pokemon straight-up outclass others.

>>25891395
Oh and also, you still can try to build a team around your favorites even if they're shitmons. Just don't try to play OU/VGC with that team, play RU or Little Cup rules or whatever format that team is decent in. That's kind of the whole point of a tiering system.

>>25891400
this might come as a surprise to you but some people actually enjoy doing the more tedious things in the game

like finishing the pokedex, shiny hunting, and IV breeding

just because you don't enjoy it that doesn't mean that the game should be reworked to cater to what you like

you enjoy the campaign and catching your buddies thats great. Just don't expect to be able to take them into online battles and succeed the same way you can fighting against the AI trainers in story mode. If you want perfect pokemon you should put the time and effort into them.

>>25891312
breeding changed in BW
breeding changed in XY
breeding will change in SM

>>25891418
I try not to pay to much attention to the smogon tiering system but I understand where you are coming from

the general problem is say the someone wants to build a team around their favorite pokemon but they hate every pokemon who currently has a mega evolution. They are now basically obligated to use one of these pokemon they hate simply because their team needs a mega on it.

You might not need every single pokemon to have one, that might be a bit much, but you do need a huge influx over what we currently have. For this to have been a thing well over 100 megas should have been released with the mechanic and they should have been adding quite a few more with new generations.

>>25891421
>just because you don't enjoy it that doesn't mean that the game should be reworked to cater to what you like

Same thing can be applied to you. Why should they hold back the series from changing or improving to cater to what you like?

And don't give me some bullshit like the series will sell less. You can stamp a pile of shit with the pokemon logo and people will buy it.

>>25891425
fair enough
I would not be surprised if they added in a new item that allowed for a parent to pass down their ability when held 100% of the time or made it so that destiny knot forced 6 IVs from the parents to be passed down

but I do not expect the mechanics to seriously change all that much since they have not changed very much between generations

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>>25891375
Look, breeding's cool and all and much respect to those who put their time into it, me included, but it shouldn't be like this. I think this whole system could be better because the way it is now deprives the majority of Pokemon a chance to ever be competitively viable. I mean, imagine how many Pokemon right now are rotting away in their boxes, doomed to never be used because they have the wrong nature or bad IVs or shit like that. I think it needs to be reworked so that every Pokemon can potentially be trained to their maximum potential with some subsystem on top of EVs that allow trainers to customize their Pokemon's specialty. Yeah, that sacrifices a Pokemon's individuality a bit and makes breeding as it is pointless but maybe those can be remedied to accommodate the system.

Right now IVs are what make each Pokemon "unique" but what if they were given visual differences. Think the Spinda concept on every Pokemon. Maybe this Pikachu has a tuft of hair or this Shuckle has a battle scarred shell. Maybe even put an accessory on it. Breeding could still be useful by saving time and giving the offspring already high or maxed IVs but maybe offspring also gain stats or level up faster. Maybe, depending on the offspring's father, the Pokemon has special egg moves added to its level up movepool and, when it learns them, a move tutor could use that Pokemon to teach it to the parents or others of the same species.

I'm just saying things could be better than they are now.

>>25891374
>Grinding is the whole point of MH
>not polishing your skills as a hunter, since it has stellar fighting mechanics
Yeah, I guess that's the case if you play it as an MMO.

>>25891455
Yeah good luck killing that G-rank monster with your lr gear

>>25891460
I hope you're just talking about the weapon because that's the only thing you really need.

>>25891441
You don't /have/ to have a mega evolution on your team. Most of them are strong and it makes a lot of sense to use one, but if you're building a team based more on what pokemon you like then you're perfectly free not to use any megas. Although, I find it kind of doubtful that anybody could hate all 46 of the megas currently released. I figure they didn't add too many at first because this is supposed to be a somewhat mysterious transformation, not something that's all over the place. They'll probably keep adding more with SuMo though, so it's all good.

>>25891446
the game already functions in a way that I find acceptable
so my statement actually doesn't apply to me

I don't think that portions of the game that people enjoy, and have enjoyed for multiple generations should be removed simply because some people find them difficult or tedious

if you don't like it don't do it.
Just don't come crying to me when you don't have hexa perfects and get smashed in online battles

like I said
you want perfect pokemon earn them

The only place I could see some real concession on how IVs work is with legendary pokemon. Soft resetting endlessly for a hexa perfect legendary just blatantly encourages hacking and until they make a system that cannot be fooled (which they never will) there is no reason to force players to soft reset for decent legendary pokemon.

Add in some held item that forces certain stats to rolled on caught pokemon to limit RNG but not invalidate it. This could also be used by trainers like yourself to speed up the breeding process but not trivialize it.

>>25891468
>le never get hit meem

Complete and utter bullshit, G-rank would fucking annihilate your asshole if you didnt have appropriate gear
Back to /v/ with your git gud memes

>>25891472
the issue is that players now feel obligated to use one since without one you are simply playing with a handicap for no real reason.

Before megas you might have been using sub par pokemon but the game wasn't actively discouraging you from using the ones you wanted.

>>25891460
>never did naked runs
>probably is a carried shitter

>>25891481
This was already said multiple times, even in this thread alone. Time spent on breeding is time wasted not battling AND it prevents big part of community from participating in on-line battles, because who doesn't get discouraged by a system that requires you to grind for dozens of hours (no skill required whatsoever) to stand any chance on-line?
Giving the players more room for customizing their Pokemon through additional training modes etc. would be in every way superior to keeping the things as they are for biking simulator fans.

What if they included something called "Ultra Training" in which you could train your Pokemon's IVs? And also let you buy your pokemon unhealthy snacks which would increase their happiness but also lower a respective IV by one (so you can get the hidden power you want).

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>>25890668

I think it's time to remove move tutors and just make them TMs/egg moves

I'm really pissed that there are move tutors we haven't had access to since emerald/HG/SS and even if I went through the effort of transferring up for sucker punch or whatever, I'd have to deal with gen 3/4 breeding mechanics

>>25891511
>BIG part
dono about that chief

I get online battles as quickly as I ever have. Its not like there is a shortage of people playing online.
also
just because a mechanic acts as an entry barrier for new players to the end game it doesn't make it a bad thing.
especially since it is one that is so easy.

I agree that giving players more customization is a good thing though. But removing breeding isn't a way of giving more of that, its just a way of eliminating a mechanic that you don't particularly like

Things that make me mad even as someone who enjoys breeding are really stupid cases.
Example would Clefable and Softboiled

things like this where a move tutor teaches a pokemon a single move 4 generations ago and never did it again but said pokemon is still legal for play if you transferred them up through all the generations is BS that just encourages hacking rather than breeding or in game mechanics.

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>>25890668
>SuMo

>>25891481
Your statement doesn't apply to anyone. That's the point I'm trying to make. Like I already said, pokemon will sell regardless whether they want to change or stay the same. The only thing you can argue about is whether it's practical or enjoyable for yourself, not other people.

As for me, I play solely for the campaign and the few extra bits in post game. And to have an enjoyable campaign experience, I'd like them to get rid of anything that hinders difficulty control. And with IVs being a random element, it's definitely one of them.

Removing IVs won't completely solve the problem, but it's a step in the right direction that I want it to go. I doubt many people care about this, but that won't change my mind on the matter. And neither will my opinion change yours.

>heart pupils

Yuck.

>>25890668
Sauce plz

>>25891553

>stop using a convenient shortening, it triggers me!

It's not going to go away, just like ORAS didn't. Expect to see SuMo until the end of the series

>>25891554
If you only play for the campaign then IVs have pretty much no effect on you the benefits they give are so marginal that they don't actually matter. Especially when fighting vs. the AI trainers where 90% of them don't even use EVs or IVs

so I don't understand why you would want something removed that doesn't play any part in the section of the game you enjoy

hell the only thing you should really be complaining about is natures and that is so piss easy that I don't see what the problem is

>>25891542
Except I'm not advocating removing breeding altogether. It just shouldn't be such a major part of the game - it's fine for egg moves, but I don't see why players shouldn't be given any additional tools for modifying their Pokemon through other methods.

>>25891561
Say SM you fucking autist
You memewords wont catch on

>>25891582
because the tool already exists, has existed for multiple generations, and many people actively enjoy it

just because you don't enjoy it that doesn't mean that you should take that away from players who do.

you don't see me here advocating that we should cut the story down to 4 gyms and a final 2 since it's tedious running around and collecting all the gym badges and doing all this other junk just to reach endgame

>>25891612
Even if IVs are removed you can still autistically breed as much as you wish. No one is stopping you.

>>25891576
Like I said, it won't solve the problem completely but is a step in the right direction. If they decide to add difficulty options for example, IVs can be pretty deciding in a battle. Especially speed.

>>25891617
dude I totally enjoy doing bike simulator just to hatch eggs and not for the final product. I would still totally just sit and breed for hours if there was literally no point to it.

what an excellent suggestion

the part of breeding I like is the satisfaction of getting the final hexa perfect product and knowing that I know have something that others covet and that I can trade with. If the process is made to easy then people will no longer care as much about hexa perfects they will have less value leading to a decrease in trading leading to a decrease in overall player interaction

not something I want

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>>25891612
Like a broken record.
Well, enjoy menially breeding your mons while you can, because Pokemon is getting more streamlined either way. It's only a matter of time before GF brings an axe to the old and needlessly time consuming mechanic in order to make the game more kid friendly.

>>25891636
and you know what I don't want? Sitting around for hours on a fucking bike simulator because I have to rely on rng rather than skill.

You can still autistically breed without ivs. Just pick an arbitrary time, stop breeding there, and pretend the rng gave it to you. It's effectively the same thing because either way you had no direct control over it.

>>25891638
>"i-its only a m-mater of time" man says nervously for the 7th generation in a row

>>25891640
then trade with someone who did put in the time if you don't want to do it yourself

you probably have tradebait that they will take
you have a set of leftovers in your game
you can get BP and buy items that breeders want and are willing to trade for
your game comes with legendaries that are sick tradebait for good pokemon

just because you don't want to put in the time it doesn't mean that the mechanic needs to be removed

>>25891645
Yes. Each gen they make obtaining IVs easier. Eventually it'll get to the point where they flat out remove them.

>>25891329
>sharpedo being the fastest surfer+great hm slave+in a game that's 50% water=forced to run 5 pokemon and a slave sharpedo

Why not just speed every single surfing pokemon up?

>>25891375
i dont get it. How can anybody enjoy holding Left/Up for possible hours?

>>25891659
Pretty much. GF must have been aware from the get go that breeding is complete crap shot, it just turned out there were people autistic enough to spend hundreds of hours on it in hopes of getting something decent. And since cooking up some new mechanic was too much work, they just kept patching it bit by bit with every game. Hopefully they came up with some replacement by now.

>>25891522
I'd be fine with it but you'd have breeders with Stockholm Syndrome talking about how it's a bad thing

>>25891676
like I said above a little while ago

its not the actual process that I enjoy
its the satisfaction of having something that others want and then being able to trade said thing to others because they place value on it since it was difficult to get or use it in online battles knowing that it is something that I put in the time to acquire

if IVs were made easier to get then it isn't as satisfying when you finally get that thing you have been grinding for and it doesn't have as much value so people no longer really feel a need to trade for things that they can get themselves in half the time.

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>all these braindead fuckwits ITT calling it "gen 6.5"
IT IS GEN 7. THE SEVENTH GENERATION OF POKEMON. NEW GAMES. NEW POKEMON. NEW GENERATION. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, IT IS GEN *7* GENERATIONS 7. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

>>25891561
ORAS encompasses 4 words retard
Sun and Moon are only 2 words. There's no reason to type SuMo over SM.

>>25891708
But...my suspicions.

>>25891696
Not everybody's willing to throw a few mons in the daycare to get a mon with some egg moves, you know. Not saying i'm that way, but those people are out there. Even if iv's aren't around, you still have those and Hidden Abilities to give some incentive to trade.

>>25891715
not nearly as much

if you remove IVs you will see trading communities like WiFi General collapse and either turn into elitist shiny/item only trading communities or just go away entirely.

things that are simple to do and can be done by the individual in 5-10 min carry little to no value and no one will be interested in trading for pokemon that they can get by themselves in half the time it would take them to even probably find someone with the exact thing they are looking for.

>>25891715
I will also add that if they remove IVs or trivilize them so that breeding is no longer necessary for them then your argument will just change (maybe not necessairly your opinion on this subject but your general side of this argument) to one of
"why do egg groups even exist?"
"breeding chains are tedious why can't I just breed any pokemon with any other pokemon?"
"they should make it so that I can just tutor egg moves instead of having to breed for them"
"why do I have to do this part of the game it really separates players who are autistic enough to breed from the normal people, such as myself from playing the endgame"

instead of ditto being the all important pokemon that everyone gets angry about it will be smeargle

people on your side of the fence won't ever be satisfied 100%. People will always complain that something isn't accessible or that it is too tedious or that they don't like it and that it should be removed.

all you would be doing is damaging communities and segregating the community even more by removing middle value currency pokemon (6IV pokemon) and forcing them into two categories.
1. Those that play the game solo and breed all their own stuff and never interact with the community
2. those that only trade the highest value things (like shiny pokemon and legendaries)

there would no longer be a middle ground for players to exist in and that's ultimately a bad thing

>>25891789
>people on your side of the fence won't ever be satisfied 100%
What a nice slippery slope fallacy. It reminds me of people getting overly butthurt when XY increased the number of IVs inherited from parents.
>bawww, now every retard can breed full team in mere days

Any community based around markets for trading digital goods in games should go.
Just get into TCG or someshit to feed your autistic needs.

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>>25890685
>competitive
>varied
>31 all IVs except gyro ball users and trick room teams (don't exist)

IVs are shit

>>25891810
thats actually not a slippery slope fallacy and you should know that discounting an argument because it uses a fallacy is also a fallacy

>I don't like online communities interacting with one another online and trading their digital things

then why are you even on /vp/?

>online community
>trade ideas/digital goods

just go and stay go

>>25891811
don't forget every special attacker since they take less damage from play rough

also don't forget ultra slow volt charge / u-turn users

also don't forget hidden power users

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>>25891810

>>25890668

what happens to Hidden Power then?
Don't you appreciate the secret trick up your sleeve?

>>25891837
>implying they cant add a HP type changer

>>25891855
>implying they need to

if it ain't broke, don't fix it
:^)

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>>25890748
This would be enough to redeem the tragedy that was ORAS

>>25891828
Your whole argument relied on that single fallacy though. I've proposed ideas how to improve things and from your side only heard how it's wrong because it's going to endanger your way of life.

>>25891847
Case in point.

>>25890668
>SuMo
could you please fuck off with this maymay?

>>25891942
like I said though
it isn't a fallacy

slipper slope would be if I say because X then Y will happen but I supply no real reason for Y happening

in this case I have supplied quite a many reasons for why the situation I described could happen.

your suggestions boil down to

"some people don't like this thing and find it tedious, it should be removed"

I am saying

"some people enjoy this thing and it should stay"

one of these sides ends in the other having the thing they enjoy about the game completely removed and no longer being allowed to enjoy the thing they once did while the other side simply sets up an inconvenience for the opposition view.

why should the section of the game I enjoy be removed just to satisfy you when you could just man up and do the thing I do?

>>25891992
>why should the section of the game I enjoy be removed

no section of the game is being removed though. You can still breed all you want with no IVs.

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>>25890668
>mfw yfw

I just wanna catch pokemon

I miss that. I can't do that anymore if I wanna go online and battle, I have to grab a ditto and breed a few dozen eggs and hope they come out decent.

The only argument people who want IVs to stay can give is the fact that they want something exclusive. Which is dumb because the majority of things nowadays are just hacked in anyway. Even then breeding has become easier than ever, despite IVs in general being unmentioned in-game aside from that one NPC who sorta rates them but not really.

It's a secret club that exists for almost no reason. Breeding should be used for moves, abilities, or just getting more of a particularly rare pokemon, but instead it's a barrier that's easily surmounted and only serves to make the majority of in-game pokemon completely useless and give casual fans an extra hurdle they don't even know exists to disuade them from ever getting into more competative battles

>>25890668
>Closeup of a face
>File deleted
Stop being prudes, janitors.

>>25892061
>the majority of in-game pokemon
more like every ingame pokemon

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Weaboos BTFO

Based mods

>>25892125
ikr

Reminder to report all of the other crops too

>deleting face closeups
>not deleting the rampant "LEAKS HERE" posts

good job mods

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>>25890668

>SuMo
when will reddit leave

>Some guy says people enjoy breeding
>Literally the mode baity bait to ever be posted on this board
>/vp/ falls for it
Jesus Christ guys. Also guarantee this anon has a hacked 6 iv shiny japanese ditto and hasn't had to do actual breeding ever

>>25891536
Don't forget the lack of Metronome tutor since FRLG

>>25890752
my sides just went into space

>>25890770
>implying bonsly is gen 3

>can't post anime girls sneezing on /vp/
kek