So /vp/, what does mega Ledian need in order to be top tier OU

Skill Link + a huge boost in Atk and Spe

Huge boost in atk
Bug/fighting type
Gale punch

>>25847596
this

>>25847569

Ironically I think this is one of the few pokemon in which Huge Power would actually make sense

HP 55
Atk 110 (+75)
Def 85 (+35)
SpAtk 20 (-35)
SpDef 110
Spd 110 (+25)
Type: Bug/Fighting
Ability: Iron Fist

Mach Punch
Drain Punch
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch

>>25847610
explain

>>25847618
Gale Wings Talonflame

>>25847631
Have a teammate clear it out first, it's bug typing is always gonna make it Talonflame fodder

>>25847628
Not that guy, but I agree, it fits for some reasons.
The little underdog hero unleashes his true power to fight for justice

>>25847569
+100 attack
huge power
new bug type priority
literally the only thing

Pokedex entires say a lot about it being 'connected' to stars.
And being a shitmon like beedrill used to be, so...

Bug/Fairy
Competitive

HP 55
Atk 10 (-25)
Def 50
SpA 125 (+70)
SpD 110
Spe 140 (+55)

Gets access to moonblast and quiver dance

>>25847631
Everything needs a counter, anon

Old one: Quad-punch - All punch moves hit 4 times.

Who needs STAB anyway?

>>25847569
Anyone got some fake mega designs for this guy? I have seen some really cool ones posted before.

>>25847829
>elemental punches
>40% chance to proc status
I'd use it.

How about he gets a better inversed defeatist?
Base ATK is tripled when below 50% HP.
Can he learn substitute and belly drum? Because that would be the tits.

Give him an ability that makes punch moves +1 priority moves.

a cross gen evolution and then a mega

>>25847569
Twice as many arms means twice as many hands to hold mega stones.
Two mega stones = 200 points to distribute

>>25847569
ledian is my bromon but i ont want him to get a mega or stat changes.

its fine if he's a shitmon desu, i have no idea why people seem to want every pokemon to get attention or be viable in competitive play.

>>25847829
although this would be great, no need to give him an autistic base attack boost, with a base attack of 35 this wouldnt be too bad.

>>25847829
>four dizzy punches
>four focus punches

and the real bullshit

>four power-up punches
just put all EV's into defensive stats and boost attack by four stages in one turn

>>25848321
I like this one. Being able to spam non-stabbed 75BP moves makes it good without being OP.

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Bug/Fighting
Speed Boost
HP: 55
Attack: 35 --> 115
Defense: 50 --> 70
Sp. Attack: 55 --> 15
Sp. Def: 110 --> 110
Speed: 85 --> 125

>>25848668
>40 wasted in speed when it already has speed boost

boost defense instead

>>25847569
an actual evolution

>>25848668
Bug/Steel (Still fits Kamen theme, but steel gets better resists than fighting)
Ability: Speed Boost
HP: 55
Attack: 35 --> 15
Defense 50 --> 90
Spattack: 55--> 135
Spdefense: 110-> 110
Speed: 85--> 85

Gets quiver dance.
Boom, minimum A tier OU for its potential to baton pass

Bug/Fighting
Serene Grace (Ice Punch more likely to freeze, you can do a Silver Wind-Baton Pass set if you really want to)

HP- 55 (+0)
Atk- 135 (+100)
Def- 30 (-20)
SpA- 110 (+55)
SpD- 30 (-80)
Spe- 130 (+45)

It would at the very least be BL. Defenses are shit, but a good Drain Punch would restore most of it. It'd be on a similar level to mega Lopunny, except meant to go mixed.

>>25849425
>>25849434

Baton Pass is banned with speed increases in OU, bros.

>>25849440
what, like, all increases? Okay, speed boost I get, but it's banned with agility?

>>25849485
No ,you can only pass either speed alone or other stats, but only if speed isn't one of them. You can pass Agility, but you can't pass Quiver Dance or Shift Gear.

Yeah, it's convoluted and stupid, but that's Smogon for ya.

HP 55
Attack : 120
Defence : 95
Special Attack : 10
Special Defence : 110
Speed : 120
Type: Bug/Fighting
Ability: Iron Fist/Serene Grace/Tough Claws

Ice Punch
Thunder Punch
Bug Bite/Drain Punch
Dizzy Punch/Brick Break

The 4 attacks is the way to go. Just nerf multi-strike abilities so that secondary effects only apply on the very last hit. That way, Mega Kang doesn't go +2 and Mega Ledian won't go +3.

That being said,

Mega Ledian
Bug/Fighting
HP 55
Atk 35
Def 50 --> 120 (+70)
SpA 55
SpD 110
Spe 85 --> 115 (+30)

Sample moveset:
Drain Punch
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch
Swords Dance/Roost/Mach Punch/Focus Punch

Sample Calcs:
252 Atk Ledian Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 612-722 (95.3 - 112.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Ledian Ice Punch vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 492-580 (117.9 - 139%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Ledian Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 208-246 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Ledian Focus Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 316-373 (104.2 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>25847665
>fight for justice
It's an ayy lmao ladybird. There's nothing just about it.

>>25847569
Aerilite + Extreme Speed

>>25847569
An evo, THEN a mega.


Ledian Evo
Same abilities
Bug/Fighting
HP: 55 -> 80
Attack: 35 --> 70
Defense: 50 --> 70
Sp. Attack: 55 --> 65
Sp. Def: 110 --> 120
Speed: 85 --> 100

BST : 390 -> 485

Mega-LedianEvo
Bug/Fightan
Ability : Heroic Fists/Fist of the North Star/JoJo Reference
Cuts the power of punching moves and their chances of secondary effect happening (for the elemental punches) by three, but they hit four/five times.

HP: 55 -> 80
Attack: 35 --> 70 --> 115
Defense: 50 --> 70 --> 84
Sp. Attack: 55 --> 65
Sp. Def: 110 --> 120 --> 145
Speed: 85 --> 100 --> 116

Could see as a Subpuncher or Pup/SD setup sweeper in UU, minmax it some more if you want an OU mon.

>>25847796
>HA is iron fist, primarily physical movepool
>taking attack away for the mega

shiggy diggy

>>25848084
>40%
Nice elementary school education you fucking burger.

>>25847796
This is the best so far

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>>25849956
Cut the power in half, leave status' the same, strike 4 times (4 arms) for 200% damage overall, but 4 chances at status and crits.
with BST of 585 that would be pretty decent for my favorite little bug.

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>Without retarded Min/Maxing
HP 55
Attack 125
Defense 50
Sp. Atk 55
Sp. Def 110
Speed 105
It would still be shit so nobody would use it anyway
>With retarded Min/Maxing
HP 55
Attack 145
Defense 50
Sp. Atk 5
Sp. Def 110
Speed 125
It would be way better and its huge movepool would grant it some use, but most people would still not want to waste the Mega slot on that, it would all be up to its ability I guess
>Without retarded Min/Maxing and Huge/Pure Power
HP 55
Attack 70
Defense 85
Sp. Atk 55
Sp. Def 110
Speed 115
Not the strongest Huge/Pure Power Pokemon but the fastest, it would be a pain in the ass to deal with if you're not carrying Aerodactyl or Faggotflame
>With retarded Min/Maxing and Huge/Pure Power
HP 55
Attack 90
Defense 110
Sp. Atk 5
Sp. Def 110
Speed 120
The Meta is fucked

>>25848524
>i have no idea why people seem to want every pokemon to get attention
Because Ledian is a neat gimmick mon that Game Freak ruined because of one of the shittiest and most retarded stat distribution. It's one of the only pokemon that is shit in game.

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>>25852363
mine carried me back in silver :')
Though it was over leveled as fuck, just having the ele punches was so goooodddd

New Ability-
Massive Power :Doubles Attack.
Short, simple, sweet. Would probably boost it a tier or two.

>>25849884
It has some sent resemblance which is not lost on Japanese fans.

Who by the way are still the primary audience for designs. After all, who else but the Japanese would actually get that the Deer trio + Keldeo designs are actually based off of an old anime?

>>25849884
>>25853711
*sentai
fucking autocorrect

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>still trying to make this early bug shitmon good
STOP, at least work the efforts on a likely mon to get a mega
>but beedrill got a mega
Beedrills iconic, this thing isn't

>>25853791
By that standard, all Kanto mons should get Megas before everyone else.

>>25849955
Nope

>>25853811

They should.

>>25847569
my dick in its ass