Lets clear up some misunderstandings about ORAS. I'll start:

>not Erachnid Emerald

Lets clear up some misunderstandings about ORAS. I'll start:
>ORAS was a mistake
>There are no redeeming qualities about it
>ORAS killed Gen VI
>Gen VI is not canon
>Hoenniggers are trash

>>25842113
>not Delta Emerald
>not Chaos Emerald

>>25842146
>>ORAS reinforced the idea that Hoenn was never good
Fixed.

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>>25842161
did u say chaos emerald?

>>25842168
Gen 3 was based. Gen VI ruined the third best Gen in the franchise. But it's not a big deal, since Gen I, II, and VI aren't canon anyways.

>>25842168
>>25842146
name your actual issues with it

The framerate drops were not fucking fixed in ORAS. It's obvious the engine wasn't even slightly optimized.

>>25842182
They were hardly ever present on the overworld. Which was the biggest issue. They're everywhere in XY.

>>25842178

I already did

>ORAS was a mistake
>There are no redeeming qualities about it
>ORAS killed Gen VI
>Gen VI is not canon
>Hoenniggers are trash

>>25842146
>Gen VI is no canon.

Explain

>>25842177
>Gen 3 was based.
Only good parts of Gen 3 was the side games and FRLG, and even that had glaring flaws.

>>25842190
Second chance to redeem yourself

>>25842197
>>25842177
I can't replay gen 3, the exp system is horrible. There's nowhere to grind. TMs are finite.

It's still great, but deserves a remake before gen 4

>>25842193
We know Gen I and II aren't canon and are part of their own timeline, and have been debunked ever since Gen III and IV.

Gen VI isn't canon because the Mega timeline is totally isolated from the canon timeline, we know this for a fact. ORAS could've been canon as it would've debunked Gen III RSE if it didn't have Megas or Gen VI Pokemon, thus making it a part of the Mega timeline.

Gen III, IV, and V are objectively the only canon games.

>>25842113
Gen 6 battles are slower than Gen V battles

>>25842146
The are the least fun Ive had in a pokemon game outside Y, but there are plenty good qualities about them

>>25842221

Gen V battles are the fastest, what are you smoking? Gen IV are the slowest, Gen VI following suit.

>>25842211
There is no different timeline between Gen 6 and the rest

>>25842221

>there are plenty good qualities about them
>names none

Literally zero.

>>25842211
>Gen VI isn't canon because the Mega timeline is totally isolated from the canon timeline
We'll see when SuMo are out which one is the canon one.

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>>25842230
Read my post again

>>25842211
That's interesting, thanks anon.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sun and Moon expanded on gen VI timeline though.

>>25842235

Yes there is, this has been proven. The 3,000 Year War never happened in the canon timeline, nor did Megas ever exist. If anything, Pokemon Origins is canon in the Mega timeline along with Gen VI, and nothing else.

>>25842211
Why are you calling the non-mega timeline canon? All of the alternate timelines are equally valid.

>>25842255
Gens 3-5 can be called the "Ability Timeline".

Pros:
>Look better than XY
>More MegaSpam
>Fixed stupid ambientalist plot
>Plenty of legendaries
>DexNav, Soar, Music

Cons:

>Mega evolutions to pokemon who didn't need it
>Mauville is now a yellow box
>No rematch
>No Battle frontier, just a shitty chateau
>No post-game
>Delta Episode
>Free legendaries for breathing
>Short
>After completing delta episode, the game is a pokedex simulator
>The plot is still idiotic.

>>25842235
It's basically confirmed in the delta episode that the games with mega evolution are a parallel universe to those without.

>>25842257

Because Mega Evolution is not canon.

>>25842264

Gen 3-5 should only be called the canon timeline. Gen 6 is the Mega Timeline or the Mega Timeline. Gen 1-2 is the Alternative Timeline.

>>25842211
Look man, no gen is canon because (including remakes) they keep retconning movesets.
Who even cares.

>>25842286
Gens 1 and 2 are the "8-Bit Timeline" because the mainline games are, of course, 8-Bit. Gens 3 through 5 are the Ability timeline because they are the gens in which Abilities exist but not Megas.

>>25842221
>Gen 6 battles are slower than Gen V battles
Does anyone have the data on this? Should be an interesting read. From my experience they're faster.

>>25842278
>not liking friendly access to shiny legendaries

>the game is a pokedex simulator
I bet if they hadn't added Secret Bases it would be on everyone's con-list.

>>25842289

>no gen is canon

This is wrong. Gen VI is not canon because Pokemon Origins and Mega Evolution, and the War. Gen III, IV, and V are canon because it's the only Gen not retconned.

>>25842307

Nobody is going to call it the Ability timeline when it's the Canon timeline.

>>25842315

Have you never played Gen V? Gen VI's battles are slower. Maybe try optimizing your Desmume, emulatorfag.

>>25842286
>Mega Evolution is not canon
says who?

>>25842338
>using emulators to compare to legit copies
>no evidence to back up your claim that Gens 3-5 are the only canon ones
Fuck off, Mewtist.

>>25842347
Says his ass

>>25842280
It's confirmed that Hoenn was different, that's about it. Just because the other games didnt have Mega Evolution mechanics built in, doesnt mean the concept doesnt exist. Polar Bears exist in the real world despite none being in my country.

>>25842255
You sound like you dont want Gen 6 to be canon because you dont like it, which, fine, but That's not much

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>>25842338
>because it's the only Gen not retconned.
Every game, including remakes, has retconned movesets.

>>25842338
So you've got no evidence and resort to ad hominem?

>>25842338
but there have been retcons: movesets and typings changed, and the physical/special split.

>>25842286
When are gens 1 and 2 debunked? Because they were remade in 3 and 4?

>>25842347

Proof

>Gen VI does nothing to retcon Gen III-V the way Gen III retconned Gen I and Gen IV retconned Gen II.
>Masuda has confirmed that it is still possible for them to continue the story of Gen V even after Gen VI, making it the official canon timeline. It would not be viable to continue if Gen VI were canon, because of Megas, 3,000YW, and Origins.

Source http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/198239-masuda-talks-possibilities-of-pokemon-black-white-3-pokemon-snap

Notice the date. Masuda said this AFTER Gen VI was already much in development. This confirms that Gen III, IV, and V are canon.

>>25842255
>No canon

According to random 4chan guy, the gen he didn't like are not canon

Or maybe not everyone is informed about it, each region seems to be isolated, hermetic, they only know a bunch of pokemon and no more, Kanto and Johto are close, but until certain point you can't visit Kanto and Kanto is reckless about Johto, this means regions are very protectionist.

That explains why Steel, Dark and Fairy types are unknown for some regions, why some pokemon aren't evolved or evolve and why Mega evolution doesn't appear in another regions

The pokemon world is coldwar-like, nothing in and nothing out.

>>25842358
>A Hoenn region that’s almost exactly like this one we live in.
>Filled with Pokémon and people like us.
> A world where maybe the evolution of Pokémon took a slightly different path, where Mega Evolution is unknown…
>A world where that war 3,000 years ago…never happened.
> A world where the ultimate weapon was never even built.
sounds to me like an alternate timeline.

>>25842356
>>25842358
>>25842361
>>25842383

See >>25842379 and kill yourself. The proof is there, ORASshole.

>>25842390
Refute me. You're responding to multiple comments without adressing them individually

>>25842379


None of that implies Gen 6 isnt canon

>>25842398

>Is proven wrong
>Asks for more attention than required

I see you're one of those anons. Trash.

>>25842390
If Gen 6 is retconning previous gens, that means THOSE are the non-canon ones. Do you not know how retconning works, Mewtist?

>>25842278
>>Look better than XY
Interiors yes, but outdoor color palette is fucked in ORAS

>>25842387
It's referencing that it's a remake of a different Hoenn the same way Johto in Gen 4 is the most current version of Johto, rather than the Johto of Gen 2.

It's saying Gen 3 Hoenn has no Megas and any other interpretations are adding more information than what's actually presented.

>>25842399

Read the thread again, use your brain, and you'll see you are wrong.

>>25842410

Are you dumb? I literally just said how Gen VI DOESN'T retcon Gens III-V for many reasons, a primary one being a continuation from B2W2 which would be impossible in the Gen VI timeline. However, since Gen VI is active in itself, that means Gen VI is an alternative timeline, but not the main canon.

>>25842428
>Are you dumb?
thats how you know anon is socially needy

>Emerald has a better story
I don't get this at all. There's more to the characters in ORAS, hell even the conflict between Groudon and Kyogre is more fleshed out.

>>25842435

>Gets proven wrong with facts
>Averts subject

Good moves.

>>25842405
read >>>25842398

>>25842448
oh anon.
if you only knew.

>>25842280
Then which one is the canon one?

If there are several universes, one with mega evolution, one without it.....which one is the real one?

The fact that national pokedex shows kanto, johto, sinnoh and unova means that they appear in "Mega" Universe, but the professor also says that foreign pokemon used to be native pokemon in the past....so.....

Maybe the normal universe and the "mega" universe are related, i mean, the cable link is a device used to cross dimensional frontiers to contact other trainers

And what about Emerald, Yellow, platinum, Crystal? They have different stories, more universes?

>>25842444

Gen III being canon automatically makes it have a better story compared to ORAS, because Gen IV and V add on to its lore.

Educate yourself.

>>25842450
read >>25842448 >>25842405

>>25842458
read >>>25842450

>>25842453

Gen III, IV, and V are canon.

Third version games from Gens III and IV are in their own canon, also linking up with their own duplicate Gen V.

Gen V is canon any way you slice it due to the lack of a third game.

Gen I and II are not canon and also have the same third game rules.

Gen VI is not canon and is part of an alternate active timeline but is overall not the main timeline. It has not retconned the main timeline.

>>25842466
read>>25842458

Well thanks for ruining my thread asshole

>>25842508

Fuck you too, ORASshole. Hopefully you come around.

>>25842513
person getting this worked up over pokemon on /vp/ on tuesday....
inb4 they never stop replying

>>25842533

At least you know the truth now, Kalospic

>>25842543
that a random is worked up?
yes i can see that.
i only wrote one reply in this topic >>25842533

>>25842557

I have 4chan X for Greasemonkey, so I know you're lying. Last new IP was >>25842444

Why are you full of shit?

>>25842475
But why?

Gen VI talks about previous characters and events, doesn't that count as a retcon?

Why Gen I and Gen II are not canon? Give me examples of the retcon?

I know masuda said he wants to expand Gen V, but maybe that was a decoy to deceive us (Gen VI projest last several years before BW2)

Explain me that, i am not denying it, i want more evidence than "Not canon, deal with it"

I want to know about the canon timeline too

>>25842578
in this anon thread.
both you and I know you are telling a lie. but your the weirdo who is pushing this for some reason.
if you are saying the truth, im telling you in honesty. your 4chan x is not working properly.
100% serious.
anon doesnt care about ego. but intrigued by your reasoning for the lie.

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>>25842595

Doubt my 4chan X is malfunctioning considering the most recent update is full proof as of yet.

>>25842595

Also, learn English faggot.

>>25842619
its still just you and me.
i know you are telling a lie and so do you.
know one else cares.
continue your efforts in this "conspiracy" though if you want.

>>25842626
i can only imagine your fears of the future this site has indoctrinated you with. alternative media can be a bitch, but you have been swimming in the kool-aid for so long.

>>25842631
>>25842642

>>>/int/

Go speak your native language with people who can understand you, faggot.

>>25842146
I agree with you desu. ORAS was an error. In the first place they should have done the remake of Emerald, but of course with 2 versions they sell more, so basically this is also why we had no z and we'll never have. XY had some good qualities and some serious flaws, that an hypothetical ''Z'' could have fixed. Now gen 6 just feels so inconclusive, both xy and oras are incomplete and Hoenn in 3d dosn't work for a shit, at least Kalos was a nice region.
ORAS is definetily forgettable trash, yet unforgivable.

>>25842659
i think this topic is more your speed, broseph.
>>25840872

>>25842665

I think you should position a propped up razor blade underneath your scrotum and slide your penis across it until it splits down the middle.

>>25842673
im loving it bro.
im going to just count your social desperation.

starting with one.

>>25842685

Stop using the word social, you fucking sperg. Go back to Google+ or Fagbook so you can use your buzzwords in peace.

>>25842698
2nd reply

>>25842113
What I want cleared up is why there are more ORAS hate threads than XY hate threads.

>>25842750
memers cant stop memorizing and regurgitating

>>25842113
>much less in the overworld
There weren't any framerate issues in the XY overworld to begin with, though
>Battle speed is still way above anything from previous gens
factually false

>>25842750
ORAS isn't particularly worse than HGSS in all honesty.

>>25842780
>There weren't any framerate issues in the XY overworld to begin with, though
Yes there were. Replay the game.

>factually false
Feel free to prove me wrong with evidence

Man, y'all are probably some grown ass, greasy, neck-beards who have nothing better to do than argue over why a Pokemon game is lacking and start throwing insults. Go back to your hideyholes you 2014SummerFags. You are /vp/ cancer.

>>25842931
>nothing better to do than argue
if you pay attention. the "argument" is usually one sided. meaning only one person thinks a argument is happening.
take of that as you will.

>>25842750
Because XY felt new and ORAS feels like a regurgitated version of Rubby and Saphire.
And Rubby and Saphire were great games for 2002, but after playing Platinum, HGSS and BW2 they kind of fall behind.
I think a better distribution of pokemon early game would have made ORAS way better than it is.

Also, Sea Mauville is fucking great. Especially the Spiritomb room.

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>>25842146
>gen VI is not canon

Wow. Calm your salt, you raging autist.

>latest gen isn't canon
>anime adding to some sort of new evolution which will add to it in sun/moon
>new fairy type and weakness/strength matchups altered
>anon still thinks gen 3, 4, 5 are the true canon and not alternate timelines.
If they do revisit black and white again do you honesty think they won't have megas and fairy types?

>>25842278
>the ability to get legendaries in games that would otherwise be difficult to repeatedly trade is bad
Wew lad

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>>25842278
>pro
>music