Hitoshi Ariga Thread

honestly, i like the inkay line, but the rest of these are really mediocre to me

>>25833045
I agree he's done quite a good job.
That must be pretty cool, growing up with Pokémon and being able to create some yourself.

>>25833045
best designer. Can't wait.

>Good
Honedge
Doublade
Aegislash
Inkay
Malamar

>Okay
Tyrunt
Tyrantrum

>Meh
Pangoro
Aurorus

>Crap
Amaura
M-Beedrill

>>25833045

Malamar is awful, and the Sword family are much too over designed. They're painful to look at.

The rest of them I quite like though. Pangoro has a nice mafia boss look about it, and Inkay looks very cute. I also like the deadly missile look Mega Beedrill sports, so that's a plus. I guess I was going to like whatever M-Beedrill's design was considering it was such a based move on GF's part to give such an obscure 'Mon a Mega, but this guy really nailed it imo.

>>25833060
/thread
For you and everyone else my friend

>>25833082
I really like Amaura, what's wrong with her?

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>>25833082

>Crap
>M-Beedrill

>>25833068
>best designer.
That's not James Turner though.

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>>25833097
>Mafia boss
It's based on a bancho, though.

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>>25833097

>Malamar is awful

It's one of the single best designs of the sixth generation.

>>25833045
Why didn't he get to make Pancham? Every other line is completely his own.

>>25833100
neopets

>>25833121
Turner made his pokemon too detailed. I love ice scream cone and Mandibuzz, but the rest is too overdesigned for my tastes.

>>25833131

>Banchō (番長?) may refer to either a governmental position during the Ritsuryō period, or the leader of a group of delinquents.

>leader of a group of delinquents

Considering I knew literally nothing about it's design origin beforehand, i'd say I was pretty close.

>>25833045
I personally like all his additions, they all have special quirks (japanese delinquent, amanojaku, cursed sword, tyrant king+tyrannosaurus, etc), he do good stuff.

>>25833174

>amanojaku

What?

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>>25833144
>too overdesigned for my tastes.
It always confuses me when a person can feel that a Pokemon can be 'overdesigned'. I constantly fail to understand how that is even a thing.

The only Pokemon that can possibly even encroach on 'overdesign' would be some of the legendaries, and even they still fit into Pokemon's cartoony style.

As such, I don't understand the word 'overdesigned', because I see no Pokemon being as such. The word always causes me to scratch my head in confusion.

>>25833135

>awful ''le evil villain'' look
>weird, ridiculous arm things that don't serve any purpose aside from look far too big
>god-awful stubs at the bottom of it's body. are they feet? why the fuck would a squid need feet? it's pre-evolution levitated, right? why the fuck is it doing that?
>eyes could have been much more menacing, but instead look unintentionally tired and bloated

It would make sense if it's concept and origin were somehow related to Mozart (because of the hair) but they're not. A staff member at GF literally said ''hey a squid's tentacles could pass off as hair upside down'' and then it was decided. It's uninspired and weird.

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mandatory

>>25833208
My explanation will be subjective, I don't know what is the opinion on the term for other peoples.

Golurk is overdesigned because it has USELESS patterns in its design.
the Spirals, the dark markings aren't necessary in his whole theme and appearance.

Doublade isn't overdesigned, because every markings, every features of its body and shapes MEANS something and are a necessarity in its theme, design and symbolism.

>>25833208
>As such, I don't understand the word 'overdesigned', because I see no Pokemon being as such
Wow could you type less like an autist? You even used "as such" twice in one sentence.
>I don't think any pokemon is overdesigned.
There, that's all you needed to say. Brevity=soul of wit nigger.

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>>25833208

It's a meme, just like "it just gets bigger" being treated like an inherently negative trait. They're just go-to phrases for people who have a poor gut reaction to a given Pokemon and don't want to bother putting any critical thought into it.

>>25833240

>awful ''le evil villain'' look

What is this even supposed to mean? A kind-looking Pokemon that evolves by reversing itself looking evil is a bad thing?

>weird, ridiculous arm things that don't serve any purpose aside from look far too big

It's based on a squid. Squid have two longer tentacles than the others.

>god-awful stubs at the bottom of it's body. are they feet?

They're the fins on Malamar's mantle (again, have you ever seen a squid before?).

>why the fuck would a squid need feet?

It's not a squid, it's a Pokemon.

>it's pre-evolution levitated, right? why the fuck is it doing that?

Because it was turned upside down. Inkay floated, the reverse of that is being landbound.

>eyes could have been much more menacing, but instead look unintentionally tired and bloated

I'm not seeing this at all.

>It would make sense if it's concept and origin were somehow related to Mozart (because of the hair) but they're not.

Holy fuck what are you even talking about?

>A staff member at GF literally said ''hey a squid's tentacles could pass off as hair upside down'' and then it was decided. It's uninspired and weird.

How is that uninspired, and why is weirdness a bad thing?

>>25833082
>Honedge
>Doublade
>Aegislash
>good
literally just swords and shields, anon.
bland at best

>>25833411

There is literally nothing wrong with object-based Pokemon.

>>25833421
they're boring

>>25833256
>Golurk is overdesigned because it has USELESS patterns in its design.

How do you define whether a pattern is useful or useless? Do you see a fucking bird and think "wow what an overdesigned piece of shit whats with all these colours?"

>>25833256
I respect your opinion but I don't think that Golurk is overdesigned, their darker markings and spirals makes it more "ghostly", also the brown things (in the arms/legs) are in the original Prague Golem. To each his own, I guess.

>>25833360
>Because it was turned upside down. Inkay floated, the reverse of that is being landbound.
Not him and I really like Malamar, but it still can float like Inkay (considering it appearence in the anime, and that it's a Psychic type).

>>25833360

>It's not a squid, it's a Pokemon.
>I'm not seeing this at all.
>Holy fuck what are you even talking about?

Are you even trying?
If you want to make the biggest post in the thread, at least make your points coherent and opposing to mine. I don't want to know what each of your individual ''reactions'' are to what I said, I want to know why my points are flawed.

And hey, what do you know, I didn't mean Mozart, I meant Beethoven. The crazy hair, the swished up collar. It's clearly taken inspiration from him, and yet there's no logical reason why. Yet another confusing aspect of this design.

>Because it was turned upside down. Inkay floated, the reverse of that is being landbound.

This is the only good point you pose, and even then I still have no clue why it suddenly lost it's ability to float. It would look much more intimidating levitating above the ground.

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>>25833430

>>25833487
my opinion is fact

>>25833263
Sometimes I just have a bit of a habit of typing out the same word twice in a sentence. Whenever that happens, I notice it way too late/after I post a message. It typically occurs when I'm not paying enough attention.

>>25833256
Alright, so it mainly comes down to the idea that the Pokemon has patterns/markings it could do without. I understand that view a little better now, though to me, I don't see them as really being useless.

But it all comes down to preferences.

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>>25833495

And this gives you power over me?

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What an overdesigned piece of trash.

>>25833411
>>25833430
>He don't like a king's ghost sword that can drain souls
And Gengar is just purple Clefable, a pokémon don't need to have a otherworldly concept to be good.

>>25833060
I love the inkay line, the tyrunt line, the mega beedrill, and the ageislash line, and pangoro, and aurorous... So...
Fuck, that's like all but one.
Okay. I'm good with him.

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>>25833535
>a pokémon don't need to have a otherworldly concept to be good.

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What the hell were the designers thinking?

>putting the guy that made My Little Pokemon in charge of anything else
Should be fired.

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I swear they're running out of ideas.

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>Take a spider.
>Give it spikes/horns.

Bravo!

GUYS WHAT IF TIMMY TURNER IS JAMES TURNER AND HE ACTUALLY HAS REAL LEAKS BUT HE'S JUST TOYING WITH US FOR NOW

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>Take a fish.
>Attach a sword to its face.

Edgy.

>>25833485
>t's clearly taken inspiration from him, and yet there's no logical reason why. Yet another confusing aspect of this design.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Where is it obvious that it's clearly inspired by that?

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>>25833256

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>>25833608
Leave Mr. Turner with this Timmy Turner shit alone!

>>25833534
Man, Pokemon really is going downhill fast, everyone knows Animals have 100% purposeful design!!!

Out of curiosity, where are these Pokémon designed by who lists coming from?

>>25833635
>>25833620
>>25833600
>>25833583
>>25833569


All these just remind how so many of the complains about alot of Pokemon are just people being too dumb or ignorant too see the obvious inspiration. If you still don't like a Pokemon, it's fine, but your opinion is really garbage if you don't even understand what you're giving an opinion on.

>>25833658
bulbapedia i think

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>>25833485

The whole "upside-down squid" thing was probably taken from the Vampire Squid's ability to invert itself and use disorienting lights (that Malamar also uses, but for the purposes of hypnosis). The evil appearance and upturned "collar" made by its tentacles might also be a subtle vampire reference now that I think about it, based on the idea of vampires hypnotizing people with their gaze.

>>25833045
when is Mega Beedrill getting a plushie?

fucking mega slowbro and salamence get one

>>25833672
Samefagging. I see no pokemon with the level of detail of real life animals, especially the ones you posted and if there were, they would be over designed. They wouldn't fit the established aesthetic. I wish people without a shred of artistic understanding would just stay in their place. This would be terrible for world building. This is what digimon and yu GI oh did. Its a mess

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>>25833753

What determines if a Pokemon is "overdesigned"?

malamar is one of the best pokemon ever.

>Great design
>Awesome ability
>large move pool
>interesting gimmick

sadly his stats are so mediocre.

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>>25833779
Unnecessary features.
Let me give you an extreme visual aid. Ask yourself if this would fit into the pokemon universe. Never mind what it is or isn't based on, let's just say its a legendary. Does it fit?

>>25833753
>Samefagging

Ah yes, the retards defense mechanism.
also >>25833705 this.

>>25833815
You linked me to a defense of malamars design which is neither here nor there. I like malamar anyway

>>25833810
No because it has a completely different art style you retard. Additional details don't matter, the art style is completely off. Ifrit from ffx doesn't have many details, but the art is completely off.

>>25833810

No, it does not. But even the busiest designs in Pokemon come nowhere near that level of detail density. While there are people that may not like Pokemon like Dialga/Palkia or Zekrom, it was clearly determined that they DO fit in the universe that Pokemon's designers have envisioned. And in spite of that, Pokemon with simpler designs continue to exist in harmony with those with more complexity. There is and has always been room for both.

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>>25833834
OK now imagine that being drawn by sugimori keeping all the same features. Does it fit? Does this fit?

Some of the ifrit art from certain FF games would fit nicely because ifrit tends to be pretty simple in design from certain FF games, reinforces my point

M Beedrill is one of my favorite Megas

>>25833859

>OK now imagine that being drawn by sugimori keeping all the same features.

Anima as drawn by Sugimori would not keep all of the same features, because that would not be his style.

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>>25833856
I did say it was an extreme visual aid. The point I'm making is over designed has a basis in reality. Most of us realize that monster from FF wouldn't fit in. Some of us feel certain Pokemon, while less complex than FF monsters, pushes the envelope. They had to make Reshiram and Zekrom monochrome in order to make them fit in. I don't like those designs but that's in large part because they are arbitrary and only slightly over designed.

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>>25833882
My point exactly. Its not in the style of pokemon to have that much detail. The pokedex would look not cohesive. Look at digimon and yugioh and you see what happens when there isn't creative control.

>>25833911
Not knowing which that one is from, let me take a gander.... Yu-Gi-Oh?

>>25833911

I get your point, but there has yet to be a Pokemon that stepped across that line. I certainly would not say that a Pokemon like Golurk is overdesigned. All too often I see the label being applied to any Pokemon with a greater degree of complexity than other Pokemon that the poster simply doesn't like, without any further explanation. I don't think the likes of Palkia/Dialga or Reshiram/Zekrom are overdesigned. Whether they're GOOD designs is another matter entirely.

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>>25833918
I believe so. Isn't it sad that you can't even tell if it is yugioh, bey blade, digimon, duel masters?
I really don't want Pokemon to become this. But some people don't seem to care.

>>25833938
I think those legendaries push the boundary on being over designed for pokemon. I also think they are dumb designs in general. Perhaps I've become numb to these kinds of designs because they've slowly released them. If I were shown these back in Gen 2 or 3, would I still be as comfortable with them? Or more so? Idk. Its like power sink

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>>25833859
>imagine that being drawn by sugimori
big black bipedal dragon thing?

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>>25833970
See how you can only have 1 color on zekrom? This is what I'm talking about. They would have to remove significant layers of detail from Bahamut for it to fit in. Either the features or the colors have to go. That's how you know zekrom was pushing it. They had to make it monochrome because it already had a lot going on. Don't even get me started on black kyurem xyz ultimate blue eyes white dragon.

>>25833964

>If I were shown these back in Gen 2 or 3, would I still be as comfortable with them?

Probably not Gen 2, but in Gen 3 we got Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, and Deoxys. If you're comfortable with them, the more recent ones really aren't that much different.

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>>25834010
I disagree. I used to think Gen 3 legendaries were pushing into digimon/yugioh territory but were just OK enough. This was as an 11 year old. I think you and I know that the Gen 4 and 5 legendaries are a level of complexity above the Gen 3 legendaries, in all honesty. Primal forms is a different story

>>25834046

Maybe not Kyogre or Fug, but I think Groudon would have fit in perfectly in Gen IV without any changes to its design. And both Xerneas and Yveltal feel like they could have potentially fit into Gen III.

>>25834087
Ground on would have needed to be grey with gems or something. But I agree about Yveltal and Zygard. I think the Gen 6 trio was a step in the right direction.