>VGC is competitive

Having all the same Pokemon doesn't mean it's not competitive, but it is way over centralized and any smogon tier is way better.

>>25818912
this reminds me of the Street Fight 4 upper level gameplay video for the 3DS

it was just two guiles using sonic boom over and over

>>25818912
2015 was the worst year for competitive

>>25818967
That's 2016.

PROTIP

>>25818925
I think OP's point is that the the number one player has a Clefairy.

How the fuck are the Primals fine, but PHIONE is too OP pls nerf?!

>>25818912

That cant be real. If it was I'd just use a team of those 6 pokemons counters and use that next year.

>>25819013
This.
Can we make Primals count as mega, so you can only Primal/Mega once? Groundon/Kyogre are cancer.

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>>25818912
>Pokémon is competitive

>>25819013
It's not. It's just unfair to allow Mythicals because some people will miss the chance to get them.

>>25819063
no

>>25819068
You can't miss out on Phione.

>>25819068
> Implying the Pokémon aren't already hacked to have perfect stats

>>25818912
>Naming your kid Florian

why would anyone do this

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>smogonfags this angry that VGC players are happy playing the game and win actual prizes

>>25818912
Gamefreak never cared about balance , look how powerful was mewtwo in the first gen

>>25819096
???
It is a perfectly fine name?

>>25819081
Why do you want 3 Brawl Meta Knights on one team?

>>25819113
florians pls leave

>>25819084
If you don't have a Manaphy from an event the only way to get a Phione is through a trade with someone who did get a Manaphy/was traded a Phione, which is true of all the other mythical Pokemon. Obviously its an easier trade to make, but still.

>>25819138
You can breed more Phione from existing Phione.

It's strange that Phione is banned, but early-gen Zoroark was not.

>>25819138
>a pokemon you can only get by trading
literally the case since day fucking one, m8

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>France

Found the problem

>>25819159
> Is Kalos
> Battle Maison
Seems legit.

I hate LC just because Mienfoo is on every team. No way I could play VGC where literally every single team is the same.

>>25818912

>"variety"

And it's annoying that almost everyone I had ever battled(in Showdown) used at least a Kangaskhan,Talonflame,Xerneas and P-Groudon.The worst part is that when you counter their meme strategy

(by sending out a Pokemon that can skill swap M-Kangaskhan,using counter in conjuction with a focus sash on Talonflame,taunt Xerneas so it can't use Geomancy or taunt Smeargle so it can't use Dark Void,or by locking P-Groudon with Shadow Tag and then sending out P-Kyogre)

they ragequit and start cursing at you as if you are the person who built their stupid teams.

>>25819186
Mienfoo is on every team because people just open up the viability list and see he is at the top http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lc-viability-rankings-2-0.3547566/

I'm glad more people dont use Diglett

>>25819216
And Charizard X is at the top of the OU viability list but you don't see him on every team. Mienfoo should be banned, it's too overcentralized, even if it's not overpowered, its just too overcentralized.

>>25819246
I get mad as fuck when Mienfoo knocks off my Duskull's eviolite every time desu

>>25818967
2016 made it worse.

>competitive games don't have tier lists
Hurr durr

>>25818912
I struggle with this. I want to play competitivly but I can't bring my self to use this team. I despise playing mirror matches in general and even more so when speed ties have such a huge influence on the games.

>>25818912
>tfw Clefairy is really fucking good in this format.

>>25819569
Competitive games can have tierlists but they shouldn't centralize the game like this.

For example look at Street Fighter V at NorCal Regionals
1. RZR|INFILTRATION (Nash)
2. MCZ|Tokido (Ryu)
3. EG|JWong (Karin)
4. Marn (R. Mika)
5. Liquid|NuckleDu (Nash)
5. Julio (Ken)
7. EG|Ricki Ortiz (Chun-Li)
7. MJS|Haitani (Necalli)

9. YP|Filipinoman (Chun-Li)
9. RZR|Xian (F.A.N.G)
9. RB|Bonchan (Ryu)
9. AS|Reynald (Necalli)
13. GGP|Kazunoko (Cammy)
13. RB|Snake Eyez (Zangief)
13. LAMERBOI (Rashid)
13. MCZ|Mago (Karin)

Out of 16 playeable characters 11 are represented in top 16.

>>25819618
This current format is more flexible because you can have legends and megas with your team and it makes more potential combos. If you use the legend right, you can have some unusual things work.

>primal groudon
how is this fair

>>25819669
Primal Kyogre + Wide Guard

I hope primals don't exist next game. They have 780 base stats and aren't even Megas. Primals should just have been something ORAS since those are Kyogre and Groudon's games.

>>25819723
>Implying Primal Dialga isn't coming soon.

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>>25819669
>he tthinks Primal Groudon is hard to counter

>>25819669
Prima Groudon is a good counter against it

>>25818912
>>25818981
>>25819632
Can someone explain how Clefairy is viable?

>>25819834
Held with eviolite, it can tank a large amount of hits. It has find guard, which reduces damage taken to the partner pokemon by 1/3rd. It has Follow Me, and a great defensive typing.

>>25819834
I can. So you know about hidden abilities, right? Clefairy has one called "friend guard" which reduces damage from adjacent party. That right there allows Pokemon to survive attacks such as Geomancy'd MoonBlast from Xerneas and Precipice Blade from Proudon. Not only this, but i has access to Follow Me, which allows you to set up however you want with your other Pokemon. And finally, it can have Helping Hand which makes Preci Blade an insta kill, or encore to meme Geomancy or Fake Out users.
>But whow does it survive?
Eviolite

>>25818912
what's with all those italians?

>>25819889
I didn't realize this was 2v2

>>25820120
VGC is doubles, yes. Which is why you see people use TalonFlame's wide guard and shit like that

>>25820120
Yep, double battles 4v4. At first I had quite a time adjusting. But now I love it, it makes a lot more starts viable.

>>25819637
Fuckin' Marn

This ain't looney tunes

>>25818912
Been out of pokemon for a while, why Clefairy over Clefable?

>>25820331
Friend Guard

>>25818912
Careful there Giovanni, plebs might meme the fact that you use Clefairy.

I personally like Clefable over Clefairy. No boost can fuck me over because of Unaware.

>>25821104
Sometimes it fucks you over. For instance you can't pick of a M-Ray after a dragon Ascent because you ignore its defense drops.Additionally it doesn't ignore the attack drops from intimidate.

Both Clefs are good, just Clefairy being dirt slow means it take very little from Ferro's Gyro's and can act as a a sort-of check to TR with it's low speed After Yous.