I'm calling it! The new fire type is a snake!

>>25773399
Foxes are not dogs, retard.

>buh buh muh canidae

Would you call meowth a tiger pokémon?

>>25773433
No, and I wouldn't call it a fire-type either.

I want a fire bat starter, just to see you idiots try to convince people that bats are technically mice or rabbits.

>>25773399
Fire/Poison Rattlesnake
Fire/Ghost Dream Sheep
Fire/Fairy Minotaur
Fire/Electric Energizer Bunny
Fire/Steel Trojan Horse
Fire/Ice Saber-toothed Tiger

>>25773481
I'm rooting for a Bear myself.

Hope we get either a sheep or a rabbit. Also the zodiac is very real, cunts.

>>25773449
I think you might be illiterate, friend.

I want a Fire hummingbird starter just to see which animal you would force into it.

>>25773399
God, that would be nice but I don't believe in this theory so we will probably get something different

+ All starters have legs

>>25773509
>"Bears are mammals with four legs. So they are technically the same as horses."

>>25773524
>samurott
>serperior
>venusaur
>meganium
>toterra

>>25773515
Explain the fox.

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>>25773509
We already got ManBearPig

>>25773518
It's a bird, do it's totally another chicken.

>>25773554
>quadrupeds don't have legs
What the hell have you been smoking?

>>25773515
I hope we get either a bat or a wolf, basically anything that is either totally unrelated to the zodiac or that would fill a slot that is already taken.

>>25773481
Rabbit because bats have long ears
>>25773509
Tiger because bears are big, strong, live in forests and can swim
>>25773518
Snake because hummingbirds are fast and birds came from dinosaurs, which are reptiles

>>25773576
>serperior is a quadruplet

what were you drinking!?

>>25773609
I did not say that, though. And you're trying to change the subject away from your crippling dyslexia.

>>25773638
Yes I am!

>>25773555
Its not entirely based on foxes, clearly some dog inspiration in there too. Its cry is a bark for fuck sakes. Also fennic foxes aren't that far off from dogs themselves as a lot of people like to make obvious.

>>25773554
>>samurott, venusaur, meganium and toterra are legless

I came to this thread expecting some really stupid people, but you somehow manage to take it to a whole new level. Bravo.

>cyndaquil is a rat
>fennekin is a dog
>charmander is a dragon

>>25773670
>the fox pokémon isn't really a fox

Are you even buying your own bullshit?
Because this is really reaching. If foxes are dogs, then are cat pokémon lions, monkey pokémon humans etc?
Hey guys, we don't have to wait for a dolphin pokémon anymore, we have Wailmer!

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Yeah, this is clearly a mouse.

>>25773821
>cyndaquil is a rat

A shrew same shit

>>25773936
Shrews are not even rodents.

Sumo will use pre existing Pokemon as starters for the first time.

Ponyta is the fire starter.

>>25773975
And somehow, the zodiac-fags managed to find a way to become even dumber.

>>25773975
>Sumo
kill yourself

Fennekin is a fox, and Cyndaquil is A FUCKING HEDGEHOG

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>CYNDAQUIL ISN'T A MOUSE, IT'S A _______
>Japanese call that animal nezumi as well
It's never not funny

>>25775138
Oh yeah, mice are famous for having no tails or ears.

>>25773399
Almost, but fennekin goes over Ox, because its just an Ox with an F at the front (for fire)

>>25773433
But Vulpidae is a genus of canidae, while Felis is the family Panthera is part of.

>>25775254
but are they dogs?

>>25775273
Yes. Everything in the Canidae family is technically a dog.

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>>25773399
Fennekin doesn't count at all. The zodiac clearly began at Gen III and skipped a gen. All Zodiac will be Fire/fighting. They just gave us a break with Fennekin.

>>25773433
>implying Game Freak would honestly give two shits about accuracy of a bunch of monsters when they could just go style over science

And technically, everything in the Felidae family is a cat, thus no Tiger starter is possible due to any tiger being relegated to cat
You can't just go "Close enough" with stuff like this, especially with foxes given the mythological aspect of them in Japan

This zodiac stuff is just a coincidence. They're all just common animals.

Grass starters are usually reptilian and Water starters are usually amphibious, so they don't usually get Zodiac signs, which are primarily mammals. Snivy got snake (the only reptile on the Zodiac--not counting dragon, which Sceptile I guess ended up getting anyway). Chespin is the first mammalian Grass starter, and it's pretty rodentlike. If Grass and Water starters didn't have the limitations put on them that they do, they would probably have some more Zodiac animals because, again, they're just common animals.

If anything, Fire is the one WITHOUT a pattern at all. They can be birds, mammals, reptiles--whatever. Therefore, they get to be the other common animals that the Water/Grass ones can't be.

>>25775273
a fox is technically closer to a dog than a chimp is to a monkey.

>>25775339
The one thing that would convince me of the zodiac pattern would be a Fire-type Tiger starter that is not just a cat but 100% a tiger. It's the least common animal on the zodiac, so it's inclusion would be pretty indicative of the pattern as something beyond coincidence.

>>25775285
>All primates are humans.

>>25775409
what about a line that goes:

Tabby -> Tiger -> Sabertoothed Tiger

>>25773399
I want a sheep that is on fire.

>>25775395
Chimchar evolves into a monkey and people mostly post fully evolved versions of this image.

>>25773936
>cyndaQUIL
It's clearly a spikeless hedgehog or porcupine

>>25775285
>Everything in the Canidae family is technically a dog.

You don't even believe this yourself. If you saw a fox or wolf in the woods, you wouldn't say "look, a dog".

>>25775504
>localized name
>mattering
Also

>spikeless hedgehog or porcupine
Are you retarded?

>>25773505
>Fire/Fairy Minotaur
>not Ground Fairy

desu Im glad fairy exists so we can get some mythological looking creatures in, though they might just stick with the fairy = cute route.

>>25775504
Yeah, its Japanese name refers to porcupine, English to hedgehog/porcupine, French to hedgehog, German to hedgehog. It's got Fire coming out of its back to emulate spikes. I mean, c'mon--it's obviously not a rat.

>>25775520
Sounds like something somebody who'd never seen a fox before would think

>>25775285
This is dumb.
You're trying so hard to get people to believe your argument you're arguing against general modes of thought. You're making connections that are only there from the very broadest points of view. Nobody ordinary person views similarities between foxes and dogs from a taxonomic perspective, it feels like you thought that up after you concluded "there's a zodiac pattern" to prop up your argument rather than making that conclusion from the similarities.

>>25775531
>Cyndaquil and Quilava's JP names are literal porcupine puns
>your uninformed opinion
>mattering

>>25775481
That's also funny, Charmander line only fit the pattern if you take its final stage but Cyndaquil line only fit if you take its first stage . When will people understand that this pattern is mostly a coincidence

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>>25775536
>we can get some mythological looking creatures in
>Dragons aren't mythological
>Yuki-onna aren't mythological
>Futakuchi-onna aren't mythological
> Quetzalcoatl isn't mythological
etc...
They didn't need fairy to get pokemon inspired by mythological creature.

THAT. WOULD. BE. AWESOME!!! I LOVE SNAKES

>>25773936
Feuermaus Pokémon ist keine Maus. Alles klar.

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>>25775568
It's funny, the Cyndaquil line being porcupines is the line's crux.
Porcupines are considered both rodents and 狸. Cyndaquil exaggerates the "nezumi" aspects of porcupines, to the point of it making looking like a shrew and hedgehog (which are nezumi, despite not being actual rodents). 狸 are "ambiguous feliforms", which features Typhlosion exaggerates by its growing fangs and having a stockier porcupine body, to the point of it looking like a large mustelid (which are feliforms). Quilava is happy medium between these two exaggerations by having the body of small mustelid and the mohawk and tail spines of a porcupine.
As you brought up, them being based on porcupines is also important for the line's concept, since the Japanese words for fire+porcupine are easily modifiable to mean what the line is the walking embodiment of, (fire)storms and volcanoes. Unfortunately, only Typhlosion's name doesn't get lost in translation.
I'm impressed actually, because all the animals /vp/ comes up with to describe the Cyndaquil line are actually not wrong according to traditional Chinese/Japanese taxonomy. Just no one ever goes in depth to see how all these animals are possibly related to each other and how they go with the theme.

>>25775596
Honestly Charizard isn't even the right kind of dragon. Western dragons are even further removed from eastern dragons than a fox from a dog or shrew from a rat.

>>25776207
>not the right kind of dragon
dragons are dragons idiot

>>25773399
>fire mouse isnt a rat
>pig isnt a boar
>fox isnt dog
>chicken isnt rooster
>fire monkey isnt old world monkey
>lizard isnt dragon

when an animal doesnt fit this scheme be it another bird a bear a fish etc
Please come back and refute this.
Until then this is the only muh patterns that is yet to be broken.

Rodent is considered rat
Fox is considered dog
A bat wouldnt be considered a horse then this would be debunked.

I would gladly like to see something ruin the pattern but so far all are easily attached via style or dex name or genus.

At least let this get btfo before shitting on it

>>25773399
its going to be a scorpion

but im hoping for some kind of fire bird, but the sneaky pebbles weak will make it shit

i'm hoping for tiger or bull cus a fire snake would be ugly and retarded
horses are ugly too, but i'd be fine with a rabbit or sheep fire starter

>>25773481
>starts as a rabbit and then grows wings and turns into a bat
Hmmmm....

>>25776251
only in name, friendo.

>>25776323
yeah but it's still a dragon

>>25776305
I could go for a Water/Poison snake starter, myself.

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What about a Fire/Fairy line of Rabbit -> Jackalope -> Wolpertinger? Yeah, there's already a rabbit-like fairy, but it's not like it has to be a clone of it, right?

>>25776353
with wings.

chinese dragons do not have those.

>>25776427
>stays fully quadrepedal
>learns Megahorn, Charge, Double Kick, Horn Attack
>fire muff and tail
>dark coloration
I could get behind this.

>>25776185
>Quilava replaces fire quills with fur so that Typhlosion looks like a walking volcano from behind
It's a great application of the volcano theme, and it's way more subtle than what Camerupt does.

>>25773433
>>25773516
>>25773481
>>25773518
>>25773555
>>25773861

Some pretty confused Redditors here today. The fire starter based on the zodiac thing is practically confirmed. Idiots.

What bullshit

If firetypes are the Zodiac, then what of water and grass starters?

>>25777157
The equivalent of the Fire zodiac for Grass starters is that they are reptiles.
The equivalent for Water starters are that they are animals that also go on land.

>>25777258
>Chespin
>Reptile

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>>25777258
>that they are reptiles.

>>25777265
>>25777271
>implying it isn't a reptile

>>25777258
>water type starters arent literal fish

gee I wonder why that is

>>25777157
Water is amphibious animals.
Grass is harder to say. Some people say the final evolutions are supposed to be based off prehistoric animals.

>>25777321
>implying owls are birds

>>25777321
>implying owls are birds

>>25777265
>>25777271
I don't buy the theory either. But I've seen people try to make it fit by saying Chesnaught is a doedicurus, which is close to an anklyosaur. Then there's the classic debate: is Venusaur an amphibian or reptile?
Note that I said equivalent, because the same kind of arguments Fire patternfags have happen for Grass patternfags as well,

>>25777332
>Some people say the final evolutions are supposed to be based off prehistoric animals.
I like this one better.

>>25777410
Yeah and chesnaught is suppose to be one of the earlier mammals. IDK I never understood that theory. Then again it's the harder one to explain.

>>25776267
>Mouse is considered rat
>Fox is considered dog

>Implying

This pattern has already been btfo faggot

>>25776489
>then it ends up Fire/Fighting

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>>25777647

>>25777271
Actually, this brings up another point against the zodiac pattern. Grass starters had always been reptiles until Chespin. It's possible that they never HAD to be reptiles--they just happened to all be. It could have been an unintentional pattern.

The same could be said about the Fire zodiac. It could easily get broken next gen just like how Chespin broke the line of reptiles. This could mean that there really isn't a purposeful zodiac pattern either.

There's really no way to guess what the next Fire type will be--no matter what pattern you think exists.

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>>25777603
>earliest mammals
Now that you mention it, Chespin does fits that. The first mammals were shrew-like; Chespin being a shrew as well as a hedgehog makes sense since Chespin is described as a nezumi as well. >>25776185
So that means the line follows one of the earliest mammalian diverges, the xenartha superorder, up until the last Ice Age.
That's actually pretty neat. I guess that makes Chesnaught a little bit of a giant sloth as well.

I'd love a snake starter, poison/fire would be cool.
I just want more snakes.
And spiders.

>>25777054
>Source: My ass

>>25773821
Charizard is. But is Thyplosion a rat then?

>>25773936
Pokedex refers to him as fire-mouse

>Gen 6 fire starter turns out to be a kangaroo
>zodiacfags claim it's a rabbit because it has long ears

I hope the Zodiac Killer murders you

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>>25778197
>>25726898 wasn't funny the first time.

>>25778255
your zodiac retardation isn't funny either, you quadruple nigger

For those of you wondering what the pattern for grass and water types are, I can explain:

Water types have always been creatures that can survive on land and in the water. This is easy to see, as we've had a turtle, an alligator, a mudfish, a penguin, and otter, and a frog. All of these spend some portion of their lives in and out of the water.

The grass pattern is a bit more subtle. The ones saying they were all reptiles are close, but don't quite have it right. Each grass starter has been based on the different body types reptiles have evolved into. Venusaur is a squat quadruped whose legs extend from the side of its body, like you would find on a Gila monster or crocodile. Meganium is a quaduped whose legs stand under its body like an appotosaur. Sceptile is bipedal, like a velocraptor or T-Rex. Torterra is quadrupedal once again but this time comes with a shell like a tortoise. Serperier is obviously a snake, with no limbs present. Chesnaught is an interesting take on the concept, because it is supposed to be like the evolutionary link between reptiles and mamals. It has hard scaled armor and hair both covering it's body. I realize chesnaught is a bit of a stretch but when there are so few general body types I think some creative freedom can be allowed.

>>25775204
c-ca-can you read anon?

>>25778352
So apparentely Blastoise is also a shellfish

ALso check out the weeaboo faggot with his retard stutter

>>25778301
Then hide the thread.

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Fire/Steel Ox
Fire Tiger
Fire/Fairy Rabbit
Fire/Dark Snake
Fire/Electric Horse
Fire/Ground or Fire/Rock Goat

>>25778464
No I'll stay here, get mad, and laught at your autism

faggot

>>25778501
By copy and pasting the same posts?

>>25778053
The same way Zangoose is a mongoose despite looking more like a cartoon cat and not a mustelid in any shape way or form, I guess.