Why did Gen 2 have so many shitmons?

Same reason every other gen does too.

Why does Pokemon have so many shitmons?

>>25762428
To make legendaries look good.

>>25762396
Gen 3 had way more shitmons.
>Mightyena
>Linoone
>Beautifly
>Dustox
>Pelipper
>Masquerain
>Slaking
>Nosepass
>Delcatty
>Sableye
>Mawile
>Plusle
>Minun
>Volbeat
>Illumise
>Swalot
>Torkoal
>Grumpig
>Spinda
>Cacturne
>Lunatone
>Solrock
>Whiscash
>Crawdaunt
>Castform
>Kecleon
>Tropius
>Chimecho
>Glalie
>Luvdisc
>Absol

Trash.

>qwilfish
>shitmon
Let me bet; you choose Meganium?

>>25762396
Game Freak didn't give a shit about competitive Pokemon until gen 4. It's the same reason why most Pokemon had such shitty movesets before gen 4 too.

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>>25762491
>absol
>sableye
>trash

>>25762396

Quilfish ain't that bad.

Good movepool, has spikes and and stockpile moves.

What do shitmons actually add to the game?

Why can't they just be viable in different ways?

>>25762504
Useful abilities too. A choice between swift swim and intimidate aint bad.

>>25762503
The list is from the point of view of Gen 3. Absol had no physical STAB then, and Sableye had no Mega or Hidden Ability.

>>25762491

>Sableye
>Mawile
>Absol
>shitmons

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>>25762414
>>25762428

Gen 2 has a disproportionate amount though. Aipom and Murkrow were just terrible prior to their evolutions.

>>25762503

Stantler is my dude don't mock him.

He knows retaliate and psychic moves, what more do you want?

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>>25762491

>Sableye
>Torkoal
>Absol

>>25762541

>Xatu
>shitmon

I'll kill you

>>25762541
These aren't even close to as bad as the Gen 3 abominations. You're definitely reaching with Lanturn.

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>>25762541
>>25762503
Stantler was actually GOOD in Gen 2.

Hypnosis and stomp carried me through the game.

>>25762541

>Aipom
>Corsola
>Xatu
>Stantler

>Shitmon

>>25762536
>Absol had no physical STAB then
Did absol have bite and crunch?

>>25762585
Dark was Special only until Gen 4.

>>25762491
>Sableye
Literally end yourself.

>>25762585
Dark type was special in gen 3

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>>25762541
>Lanturn
>thinking it would ever be a shitmon

>>25762569
everything is good ingame

>>25762598
In what way is it not shit in Gen 3? It is useless as fuck. The list has nothing to do with aesthetic or flavor opinions, just with how shitty it is to use.

>>25762597
>>25762600
Bite wasnt dark type?

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>>25762558
I love xatu, but have you tried using that thing in game?
Without TMs, it has fuck all to do except nightshade.

>>25762514
>What do shitmons actually add to the game?

A lot of the time not only are they bad, but they are rare. Especially in johto. They add to the collecting part of the game.

>Why can't they just be viable in different ways?

What different ways to be viable are there? Contests? Learning lots of HMs?

>>25762536
So gengar from gen1 is a shitmon.

>>25762491
>Mightyena
>Linoone
>Slaking
>Delcatty
>Sableye
>Mawile
>Grumpig
>Crawdaunt
>Tropius
>Glalie
>Absol
They can be bad at competitive (excluding Sableye and Mawile now in Gen 6) but I love all these mons by their designs, gen 2 had many "incomplete designs", like Gligar, Yanma or Misdreavus, thanks to Gen 4 they feel more complete now in my opinion, I really like them.

>>25762514
There's nothing wrong with basic animals that just add variety to the world or showcase some new game feature. We're here to catch 'em all, after all.
Of course there's still room to expand on them in the future, but they aren't hurting anything by just existing.

>>25762635
Gen 1 Gengar had an immunity to normal type moves (which were probably the most common moves back then). It also had high Special, it was the fastest sleep inducer and it had a good move pool.

Please educate yourself.

>>25762647
Forgot Cacturne, he is one of my favorites Hoenn mons.

>>25762656
>Of course there's still room to expand on them in the future
You're going to make /vp/ explode.

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is this better shiny for it?

>>25762632

You're right, Xatu's level up movepool is abysmal. But I always tought mine TMs so it wasn't a dealbreaker for me.

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>>25762647
>incomplete designs

>>25762617
Are we talking about in-game fights, right? Explain me how could you not just win with whatever pokémon you want to use vs NPCs. This game has always been super easy. Don't see how that thing could not just work with a shadow ball.

>>25762635
How does that comparison make any sense? If Gengar had Absol's Spe, it would probably have been as shitty in Gen 1 as Absol is in Gen 3. Absol needed priority physical STAB to get use because it made up for its Spe. Then it got a Mega that gave it Spe. Gengar had Spe from the beginning. Plus, it had a sleep-inducing move. Plus, it had an immunity to Body Slam. Did you think at all before making that comparison?

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>>25762679
It hurts me too, you know.

>>25762541
>Sunflora
>Shit
Genwunners are the worst.

>>25762710
Fugg you hit me in the feels there.

I was hoping no one would bring up Ledian because its been the most obvious example of Gen 2 failure.

And also the most obvious example of a Pokemon being 'left behind' by Gamefreak.

>>25762709
I was talking about in-game fights. And anyway sleep inducing was literally the only thing gengar could do. Ok free switch on Tauros's return, can't deal any damage to him, die next turn from eq.

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>>25762396
Gentoo introduced intentional type confusion

>>25762706
Obviously since every Pokemon CAN be used successfully in-game, that can't be the definition of a shitmon.

I'd define it as something that is pretty useless or outclassed competitively and that is also less useful in-game than the majority of other choices. Wormadam comes to mind. I liked using Wormadam-G in-game, and I even used it competitively for some reason (Sucker Punch and EQ nonsense), but it was much less useful overall than if I had just used a decent Ground type. Despite the fact I like it and I used it, I know it's a shitmon.

>>25762710
I got soul silver just for ledyba and I still haven't actually used one.

>>25762771
I meant bodyslam not return, plus never saw how sleep in game could have been used in fight aside from the ones you had to catch a mon.

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>>25762731
I just love the bugs, man. Gen 2 is full of fun bugs, but they just up and ignored most of them.
To be fair though, the ones that they supported turned out fuckin' great.

>>25762794
I tried, but the thing is just unusable. Best you can do is throw up a Reflect and hope you don't get killed through it before you can switch.

>>25762814
Ledian really needs an evo or mega. I dont want to say it myself, but a simple stat increase wouldnt help enough.

>>25762805
Sleep in-game was so good in Gen 1. Put an opponent to sleep and they never switch out because they're dumb. They wake up and can't do anything bc Gen 1. Put them back to sleep next turn. Rinse and repeat.

Gen II is partner to Gen I.

>>25762834
indeed. Fucking lame. These games were already easy for the retarded AI. Then people make it even easier.

>>25762867

You might even call it Gen 1.5.

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>>25762814

Speaking of difficult to use in game, pineco is both out of the way to get a hold of and near unusable. It's best bet is, what, mirror shot after evolving?

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>>25762541
>Magcargo
S-stop...stop reminding me of my bro's fate.

>>25762558
I love xatu but man its hard to let it slide when it has average base stats and a crappy movepool for its unique typing. The only decent psychic attack it has at a low level is future sight and it dosent learn psychic until level 50 I think.hes still my bro though

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The order of how useful competitively each gen's Pokemon are to the current game (counting Megas as whatever gen that Pokemon came in, not Gen 6) is
3 > 1 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 6

Gen 3 has Manaphy, Sableye, Altaria, Garchomp, Latios, Metagross, Gardevoir, Latias, Manectric, Jirachi, Medicam

Gen 1 has Charizard (X & Y), Clefable, Alakazam (both forms), Gengar, Mew, Slowbro, Venusaur, Aerodactyl, Gyarados, Pinsir, Starmie

Gen 5 has Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Heatran, Keldeo, Landorus, Thunderus, Tornadus, Kyurem-B, Serperior, Volcorona

Gen 4 has Garchomp, Hippowdown, Lopunny, Weavile, Gliscor, Magnezone, Rotom-W

Gen 2 has Azumarill, Scizor, Skarmory, Tyranitar, Celebi, Politoed, Raikou

Gen 6 has Diancie, Hoopa Unbound, Talonflame, Klefki

>>25762491
i love u

>>25762491
What's with Gen 2 faggots deflecting to Gen 3?
Anyway
>Meganium
>Typhlosion
>Furret
>Noctowl
>Ledian
>Ariados
>Lanturn
>Togetic
>Sudowoodo
>Politoed
>Jumpluff
>Aipom
>Sunflora
>Yanma
>Murkrow
>Misdreavus
>Girafarig
>Dunsparce
>Granbull
>Ursaring
>Magcargo
>Corsola
>Delibird
>Houndoom
>Stantler
>Miltank
Don't forget the babies and such. I would have added some of the other pokemon like Gligar but I know I'm just going to get some shitposts about that that said a lot of these Pokemon didn't get good until later generations.
The only reason Gen 2 has less shitmon is solely because it added less Pokemon.

>>25763068
manaphy is gen4 babe

>>25763132
houndoom and lanturn are great nigga what are you talking about
heck even ursaring and miltank are pretty good

>>25763173
Nah they were always absolute horseshit.

>>25762898
After Gen 4, sure. Before then you were 100% fucked.

You can teach it Dig though, that's pretty neat.

>>25762541
>Octillery
>Shitmon

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Gen 2 has one of my favorite,

>Ampharos Which I am glad it got a mega but it still kinda sucks

>>25763138
Oh right that changes everything, then it's 1 > 4 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 6

>>25763185
uh no
they were pretty good especially in gen 2
especially houndoom, that dude was a beast

>>25763068
You've missed out a hell of a lot of Pokemon there.

>>25762898
>out of the way to get a hold of
it was literally on every headbutt tree

>>25763238
>they were pretty good especially in gen 2
You keep on thinking that.

>>25763256
In HGSS it's only on specific ones.

>>25763318
>HGSS
>Gen 2

>>25763277
yes and for a reason
you said miltank you're discredited

>>25763357
Coming from the person that thinks they were ever good.

>>25763185
>Houndoom - BL
>Miltank - OU

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excuse me?

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i dont think so bitch

>>25764331
Literally a wingless Charizard. It was destined to be shit.

>>25762623
Bite was dark type and all dark types are special in gen III.
Meaning that absol will have a non-STAB movepool to do any damage, which technically gimps its outstanding attack stat, its only redeeming factor.

I don't consider it a shitmon by far, though.

>>25762541
Shuckle is NOT a shitmon

>>25763021
It shares a typing with lugia, just saying.

>>25762666
He's probably aware of that. Gengar is an example of a stab-less beast. But absol doesn't have much in the way of non-stabs to make up for it, whereas gengar has thunderbolt. So it's moot.

>>25763068
>gen 3 garchomp
I want to know which pokemon you were actually thinking about here.

>>25763068

Why would you even take the time to do this when it's so shit?

>No Aegislash in Gen VI
>Counting a shitload of legendaries to beef up Gen V but doing it nowhere else
>Equating competitive viability with unbanned OU pokemon, discounting Ubers

>>25762541
You are stupid

>>25763068
Manaphy AND Garchomp in Gen 3

I guess we know anon's favourite gen

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>>25763377
okay buddy

>>25763328
>gen 2
>mirror shot

>>25768389
>not knowing that in gen I-II only OU exists

>>25766120
>wingless Charizard

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>>25769392
>http://www.smogon.com/dex/gs/pokemon/arbok/

>>25769392
Ubers, OU and UU literally were the only tiers ever since gen 1

What gen has the most solid dex of Pokemon? I'd say VI because there was so less of them.

>>25762541
This is very True anon, minus Lanturn. It could Beam-bolt-surf in gen 2

>>25769596
i'd say 3 but i hate the gen 3 electric and fire types

>>25762541
Lanturn is amazing what drugs are u on?

>>25769596
Gen V>III>VI>II>I>>>>IV

I hate the IV dex so fucking much

>>25769654
why? platinum's was pretty based

>>25762832
It missed that chance in gen 4. It saved a lot of pervious shit mons

Weavile
Mamoswine (I know people like Piloswine but DESU I think it looks like a huge deformed swinub)
Ambipom
Gligar
Honchrow
Togekiss (togepi+togekick are fucking useless and you know it

Let's not forget all the shitmons introduced through breeding

>>25769663
I have no idea where desu came from. It was supposed to be DESU

>>25769660
no fire types, shit for grass, flying etc

>>25769663
Don't forget Yanma and Misdreavus

>>25762396
Gen 2 was largely the Pokemon left over from Gen 1 that didn't make the cut. This is fact

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>>25762396
Still better than this

>>25769672
FUCK DESU=DESU

>>25769673
platinum had a good amount of fire types desu, houndoom and magmortar in the middle of the story.

>>25769685
misdreavus is amazing what are you high on. it was one of the best pokemon in gens II and III

>>25769672
>>25769693
shut the fuck up you weeaboo

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And this.

>>25769695
I consider perish trapping to be shit sorry

>>25769701
Im trying to say t b h. It's been changing it on my after I post it

>>25769745
what you consider is irrelevant, it objectively works well and it's good

>>25769754
You are a liar desu senpai

>>25762396
Because just under half of the new Pokémon are leftovers from Red and Green. Let's just say there's a reason why many of them were left out of the first generation.

>>25763132
>What's with Gen 2 faggots deflecting to Gen 3?
What's with shitting on a gens designs in the first place? Every generation has shit designs and a generation being your favorite doesn't make it less true. You complain about someone shitting on gen 3 yet you're shitting on gen 2 in the same post. You're no better than the other anon. Also
>Ariados
>Lanturn
>Togetic
>Politoed
>Yanma
>Misdreavus
>Granbull
>Ursaring
>Magcargo
>Houndoom
>Baby mons
>Gligar
>Shit
At least design wise they're better than a lot of gen 3 mons. And as for gen 3 having more shit solely because it added more, there's a difference of 34 mons. When the majority of them have bad designs it isn't because of how many there are. It's just a lack of quality. But there's no sense in arguing with people like you because you just like to shit on generations you don't like while blindly praising your favorite generation no matter how bad it is as a whole.

>>25769856
which ones were actually leftovers?

The problem with gen 2 is that nearly every gen 2 pokemon is either shit, obtained far too late in the game to actually use, or hidden away and awkward to obtain.

Want a Yanma, Marill, Dunsparce, Snubbull, Qwilfish or Remoraid? 1% ENCOUNTER RATE UNLESS YOU GET A RANDOM PHONE CALL.
Want to use Misdreavus, Sneasel or Larvitar? HA HA NOPE, NOT UNTIL MT SILVER.
Slugma and Murkrow? NOPE, NOT UNTIL KANTO.
Want a heracross? HAVE FUN HEADBUTTING RANDOM TREES FOR HOURS.
Oh neat, you got a Ledian? IT'S TOTAL FUCKING SHIT.

You could count the gen 2 pokemon that were actually fucking usable on one hand.

>>25770143
marill, snubull and remoraid aren't 1% bruh. they're just more common in the night or the morning.
also
>complaining good mons are hard to get
it's like you want everything on a silver platter

>>25770143
is a heracross really hard to get in the old games? In Heart Gold they are easy as shit

>>25770198
they're not that hard, people just don't look in the right trees

>>25770236
yeah in the right tree it takes 2 minutes to find one

>>25762541
Really only Delibird, Ledian, and Corsola are absolute shitmons since they can't even be used well ingame

>>25770244
It is annoying to find the right tree though. Least you can get one as early as Azalea, but the only difference between a medium encounter tree and a low encounter tree is Ekans instead of Heracross, so if you get Spearow and Aipom, it could still not be the one you want.

>>25762491

>hi Im retarded

>>25762814
Gyro ball does wonders

>>25762710
he looks cool and i really like him but his stats are awful

>>25763132
is this a list of good pokes right?

>>25762491
Here's your (You)

>>25770188
You're right, as a kid I did want those things on a platter. You want to know why? Because they were NEW. It's a NEW game, with NEW pokemon, but I can't fucking use the NEW pokemon, because everywhere you look, you'll only find OLD pokemon. A silver platter? You were lucky if they were even on the same table as the fucking platter.

>>25770991
the whole point of them being new is that they were hard to find

>>25762396
So that Gen 3 mons can look good.