Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

XY&Z17 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_017_Thunder_and_Onvern!_A_Furious_Strike_of_Lightning!![H264_720P][BDABE452].mkv.torrent

MOVIE 18 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY_Movie_2_-_The_Archdjinni_of_Rings_-_Hoopa[H264_1080P][0E97AEA2].mkv.torrent

MOVIE 18 SHORT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY_Movie_2_Short_-_Pikachu_and_the_Pokemon_Musicians[H264_1080P][8CE702AE].mkv.torrent

XY&Z18 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=792396

XY&Z19 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=794532

XY&Z20 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=796559

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z21: A BRIDE FOR CITRON! EUREKA'S S'IL-VOUS-PLAIT PANIC!! (APRIL 7TH)
>As Ash and his friends continue their journey, they encounter a girl who has a Buneary as her partner. Bonnie proposes to her, but she doesn't laugh it off the way everyone assumed she would!? It turns out she is the only daughter of the president of a world famous robotics company, and she tells them she's on the look for a prospective partner. She takes great interest in the devices Clemont has made and somehow feels very good about him.... but Bonnie appears less pleased

UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 26 (Apr 3rd)
>Celebrities Show Up One After Another to Showcase Pokémon Merchandise / The Developers Talk About the Special Footage of the New Pokémon Games! / Battle: Rinka Otani VS a Television Viewer!

XY&Z022: Serena Becomes Ash! The Ultimate Pikachu Showdown!! (Apr 14th)

XY&Z023: Ash and Alan! Greninja VS Mega Charizard Once Again!! (Apr 21st)

XY&Z024: The Forest's Curse and the White Phantump!! (Apr 28th)

POKÉMON XY&Z CHARACTER SONG PROJECT VOL. 1:
http://www.megafileupload.com/ao6i/Pokémon_XY&Z_Character_Song_Project_Vol.1.zip

DREADREA (BY SERENA, CV MAYUKI MAKIGUCHI):
http://www.megafileupload.com/aynY/DreaDrea_(Serena,_CV_Mayuki_Makiguchi).aac

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Post cute.

>>25754061
Kek, I like the filename. They're tights, though.

Serena nudes

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>>25754078

>long hair Serena

I found you, faker!

>>25754086
Go take them yourself, Ash.

>>25754079
Was this you? >>25753000

>>25754091
He already has them.

>>25754089

Faker?

Ha!

You're not good enough to be my fake!

So... Serena Nudes? Unfornate I am not Ash

So in the meantime, when will the new pokefan/corocoro/newtype come out?

>>25754093
Nope, but I did reply to it.

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>>25754098

I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS

subs when

>>25754100
Yes, but Serena will become Ash later.

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>>25754108

I see. So there's more to you than meets the eye. What are you, anyway?

>>25754089
>>25754098
>>25754108
>>>/v/

>>25754111
>yfw if this is a body swap episode, then this is as close to fucking as the anime would ever be able to get away with

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>>25754115

What you see is what you get: just a girl who loves Satoshi.

I'm Serena the Performer!

>>25754103
16th/9th-15th/eventually.

>>25754118
Satoshi is literally inside Serena.

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>>25754120

I see. Well you know, I can't let you live.

Your spaghetti eating days are coming to an end!

SA2 is one of the main games of my childhood and seeing people quote it slightly wrong (aside from the adaptations made to fit Serena) triggers me.

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This is what you wanted, right, Serena?

To be with Satoshi...

FOREVER...

>>25754127
Serena's inside of him too when you consider the foot tapping.

>>25754157
>>25754127

Care to elaborate?

Is there a new preview for that episode out yet? What foot tapping?

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>Sonic vs Shadow theme reenacted again and again
>no Shaymin variant yet

why even live

>>25754173
Literally in the OP: Serena Becomes Ash! The Ultimate Pikachu Showdown!!

Probably not as hilarious as what we imagine it to be.

>>25754173
I'm referring to how Serena does her foot tapping in DoriDori Ash does it in XY&Z.

>>25754173
The foot tapping thing is how Serena taps her foot at the start of Dori Dori virtually the exact same way that Ash taps his foot at the start of the current opening for the show

>>25754194
That's just pottery not being inside each other.

>>25754182

It really isn't though. All this discussion of a body swap is preposterous. It'll probably go like this:

- episode starts
- oh no, something happened to Ash!
- Serena meets another Pikachu trainer, has to fill in for Ash

>>25754204
It probably is, but it's more fun to imagine the two of them bodyswapping or exchanging clothes

>>25754214
I could imagine it being about swapping clothes in part because I could almost imagine a member of the art team saying, "Hey, we think it'd be really fun to draw the two protagonists in each other's outfits. Could one of you write an episode to give us an excuse to do this?"

>>25754204
>>25754234
>Ash takes off Serena's hat and puts his on her

>>25754244
>it's just a hat
>/padt/ literally EXPLODES
>all kinds of crazy edits involving different hats, a lot of them Trump hats
>somehow, a Milfie edit appears

>>25754244
Even this would be absolutely unprecedented and I want to see it happen

>>25754249
>just a hat
Pls, that'd make the ship between Ash's hat and Serena's hat even more canon.

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D-Did you guys forget about me?

>>25754244
She would look better with a cap instead of that hat.

>>25754249
a reveal that Millie is actually bald?

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>>25754263

>SA2 memeposting
Keep going, I'm having a laugh.

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Post 'em.

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>>25754280
Right when Milfy thought her life couldn't get any worse

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>>25754301
filename related

Why is this general so cancerous?

>>25754313
Because you keep evading your ban, stale.

Why are the Amourshippers on serebii so damn stupid? That thread is filed with idiocy.

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>>25754290

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>>25754292
>"I planned to give you a taste of my revenge once all the Mega Stones are collected. Once I initiate this Mega Evolution Energy System, it cannot be disabled. All of you ungrateful humans, who took all the beauty out of this world, will feel my loss and despair!"

>no cast list for heiress episode
>yfw we'll get credits from Flare members like Xerosic and Lysandre
>yfw more Blue Core torture
>yfw Bonnie will be too busy protecting her onii-chan's virginity to notice Puni-chan's worry.

>>25754316
I don't know what you're talking about, but you're proving this general is even more cancerous.

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Would you go to a baseball game with her?

>>25754302
>shiny eyes and cat-like grin of expectation
Poor Millefeui.

>>25754337
Casey basically was the May/Dawn/Serena of her region. The beginning female trainer who picked the grass starter and tried to do battles.

>>25754332
That's actually so fucking in-character compared to your other memes.

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>>25754337
I want to protect that smile.

>>25754341
She even looks like Kris. I often wonder if she's actually based on Kris's design, since Green/Blue is based on the unused female protagonist from Red and Green, it's probable that they similarly designed one for Gold and Silver.

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>>25754339
All of that, broken in an instant

>>25754349
>>25754353
Imagine if Casey had replaced Misty for Johto? Or at the least, joined as a 4th cast member?

>>25754354
I voted for Xin Lee.

>>25754361
>we barely saw her performance
>probably left the venue after losing on account of how she wasn't there watching Serena vs Elle
At least Clarice stayed behind, as well as Smeargle girl.

>>25754249
>it's just a hat
Anon please. He'd fight anyone for his hat.

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>>25754369
Probably could not handle the humility of the landslide loss. I don't blame her.

>>25754359
I also sometimes wonder if they hadn't at least considered that. She appeared in the second episode, and was set up as the underdog/junior trainer, and would probably have served a similar role to May had she stayed with them.

Of course the previous season had seen Brock replaced with Tracey, with Brock returning when it became apparent that people liked Brock and nobody liked Tracey. Perhaps they chickened out of replacing Misty after the negative reaction to Tracey, or perhaps they changed their minds because the female trainer was once again not implemented, reducing the impact of Casey as an marketing tool.

>>25754383
Had Casey been a main character, then obviously Ash would have never gotten a Chikorita because Casey had one of course.

Bulbasaur probably would have stuck around the entire span of Johto then, it lasted all the way past the 6th Gym too.

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>"Alan... I beg of you... Please, do it for Hari-san..."
>"Manon!"
>"For all the people... in the Kalos region... Adieu, Alan the Edgelord."
>"Manon... I still remembered what I promised you... For all the people in this region... I promise you... REVENGE!"

>>25754342
Well, I'm not the same person who wrote the others.

Am I the only one subtly jealous that Misty is still in the most amount of episodes of all the main girls? Misty has 275 episodes as a main character (but over 280 is you count her cameos), and all the other girls have far less.

>>25754418
I'm more jealous that they picked Nene as Serena's joke rival instead of Swanna Girl or one of the other actually attractive performers.

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Her surname is Yotsuba and she has the 4chan logo on her shirt. She's clearly at least a lurker.

>>25754441
She's Hiro's daughteru.

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>>25754421
>Serena's joke rival is Cussler

>and by that I mean she replaces Millefeui

>>25754441
Is this original?

>>25754459
Yes?

>>25754492
Poor kid...
She has to be 18 to be here...

>>25754453
Why couldn't they have combined the Dance episode with this ship? For instance, everyone arrives at Pierre's party and enters into a time warp (caused by some random bullshit like in the one where May's Eevee hatched or some shit) and they all end up in the Grand Hall on the Cussler. There aren't enough life boats for them all, so Ash offers to stay behind. Serena won't go without him. Most of the unnamed boyfriends are stuck as well.

They head to the middle of the ship, where Serena prepares to confess since it's her last chance, however before she gets the chance the ship breaks in two. The stern crashes back into the water with Ash, which Serena begins to sink. Eevee evolves and uses it ribbons like a Vine Whip to get Serena over to the stern. They climb up the the back railing, now the highest point above water. Swanna Girl's boyfriend falls off and into the water, hitting one of the ship's propellers on the way down. While the propeller has been shut off with the engines, he makes an amusing clink noise on impact.

Random Deus Ex Machina bullshit gets them back to the castle. Swanna Girl's boyfriend somehow survived the drop onto solid steel, as well as the remaining multi-somersault plunge into icy water.

>>25754511
I giggled.

>>25754511
>Most of the unnamed boyfriends are stuck as well.
>no Bonnie cross dressing Clemont to get him on a boat

>>25754511
>so Ash offers to stay behind. Serena won't go without him.
Literally Isador and Ida Strauss. Straight up, that's what they're known for.

There's also the factor that on one side of the ship, it was women and children first, but if there are no women left on deck, then men were allowed to board; on the other side, it was women and children ONLY.

She likely didn't have a "grand hall," either. She most likely had a Grand Staircase and a reception area on D-Deck, like the ship she's so explicitly based on.

You are NOT going to out-autism me on this specific subject, anon.

>>25754529
Naturally it wouldn't need to match the real life scenario exactly. Presumably the dance party people wouldn't be the only passengers, because if they were then the whole not enough lifeboats thing goes out the window.

>>25754540
>But onii-chan, you'll be trapped with 30 women, whom I can ask all at once to be your wife! And then you'll have nowhere to carry me off to, and they won't be able to get away!

>>25754545
Naturally.

The music in that episode would have been a lot better in my opinion, though, if it came from the White Star Line song book. Emporer Waltz, Valse Septembre, The Wedding Dance Waltz and so on all would have made for damn good dance music.

They all have hard down beats that make them easier to waltz to than the music they used in the episode, in my opinion.

>>25754567
Perhaps Ash wouldn't have headbutted Milfy if they'd been dancing to one of those. Especially if they played The Wedding Dance Waltz first, and Serena recognised it and became visibly mad that Milfy was dancing with Ash while it was on.

>>25754606
She would have probably gotten a worse injury.

>>25754511
>instead of staying at a nearby hotel after the dance, they stay in some unoccupied cabins on the ship
>due to Yashio favoritism, Ash and Serena think they got two different cabins, but quickly learn that they're actually parts of a suite with a private promenade

>they sleep in the same bed, but emerge from separate rooms in the morning to keep it a secret

>>25754645
>Arceus tried to smite them for having premarital sex
>This is why the Cussler sank in the first place

>>25754655
>implying Arceus doesn't owe Ash
Barza pls.

>>25754655
>Serena only became Ash-obsessed after Ash helped Arceus out
>Serena is Ash's reward from Arceus, if only he would accept the gift

>>25754672
>yfw Ghris was alive when the Cussler sank
>yfw Hoopa made the iceberg appear in the ship's path
>tfw that's why they didn't see it until the last second

>>25754645
>their plans for secrecy are ruined when it turns out that Serena is a screamer
>Bonnie and/or Clemont has the room on the other side of the wall
>Millefeui gets the room below them, which means she hears the bed creaking as well

>>25754680
>implying he didn't which is why it comes out of his mouth and he asks her to join him

>>25754691
Well, to be fair, it was also super fucking foggy according to the flashback we got... on top of most of the reasons the actual Titanic couldn't see the iceberg appearing to be present, such as a moonless night and flat calm seas (no wave action on the iceberg's base).

The one difference that might have made it easier to see for the Cussler than it was for the Titanic is that Cussler was dealing with a white, snow-covered iceberg, while Titanic had a recently rolled over transparent one. Again, though, the fog that Cussler was dealing with wouldn't have given it significant help here.

Speaking of help, help me! I'm drowning in my own autism here!

>>25754702
Arceus: best Secret Santa. Instead of giving you gift cards, he gives you qt grills.

>>25754691
>implying Wulfric wasn't alive back then and generated an iceberg big enough to sink a ship as a way to train his ice types

>>25754708
I watched a documentary on Youtube the other day that explained why they couldn't see the iceberg, as well as why Captain Lord didn't come to their aide despite him watching them sink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxQvij8Ttug

Basically the iceberg was in a cold current in the middle of an otherwise relatively warm sea, causing warm and cold air to mix, generating what's known as a cold water mirage, cloaking the iceberg (which would otherwise have appeared on the horizon) and making Lord believe he was looking at a small steamer rather than a gigantic ocean liner.

>>25754731
I learned this literally yesterday in the newest James Rolfe video when he spouted it as a bit of random trivia while playing.

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>>25754728
Why would Wulfric kill ocean liners?

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fat birds

>>25754747
Easy: he was making them en masse, a mile across, in PokéGreenland, with such a massive number of them getting made that to have at least one of them drift into the southernmost shipping lanes would be all but inevitable.

It's gonna be fun to see how people respond to this entire discussion 7 to 9 hours from now, wondering "What the fuck happened here last night?!"

>>25754763
>there will never be a New Zealand region where these can be caught

>>25754763
Turkey dinner.

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>>25754773
With the usual shitposting from the usual suspects. I don't know what else you expecting.

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>This entire thread right now

>Welcome to the Titanic Sinking Discussion Thread, hosted by Mewtario and friends

>>25754775
>implying not Johto-bred
>implying not full of eggs

"Ash Becomes Serena!" episode title when?

>>25754824
It happens every time during the OP.

>>25754800
Many of the most egregious posts in that particular discussion weren't even made by Mewtario

... and this fact terrifies me.

>>25754834
Touché, anon.

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>>25754909
W-w-what's Ash planning to do with that pole?

>>25754899
>cross-dressing Ash in the middle
>cross-dressing Clemont(?) on the right

>Manon on the left, not cross-dressing
Why include her?

>>25754934
The one on the right is Trevor.

>>25754957
Didn't even recognize 'em with a normally proportioned head/face

>>25754957
Trevor a cute.

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>>25754934
because Manon is Cute!

>>25754930
Beat Elle to a pulp

>>25754963
>yfw he likes crossdressing but feels conflicted doing so
>yfw this is the reason why he "loses" his backpack because all her trap clothes are there but Tierno and Shauna blows it out of proportion

>>25754418
Jessie wins

ded bred

>>25755170
ded wek
ded bred

Don't worry, next Sunday will start Autismgeddon

>>25754418
Don't be jealous. Do you actually self-insert into one of the girls and pretend to be travelling with Ash?

Anyway, much of Misty's screentime is wasted on filler anyway. Her grand dream of Water Pokemon Master is barely touched upon, and since getting Togepi and as Ash became more mature through Johto has become less dynamic with her so-called interactions with the group especially Ash, relegated to being the punchline to Brock's recurring gag.

I would say no one should ever feel jealous of her, even Iris, since she actually participates in tournaments and has a rival even if her quest to become a Dragon Master was poorly handled. At least she got to battle two dragon masters, Drayden and Clair.

Also this: >>25755089
But you can't really "develop" TR that much, though Jessie losing gracefully in the Master Class, pretty much acting better than all of Serena's rivals, was pretty great to see.

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>Joy are also trained to treat humans in Kalos

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>>25755193
I'm just waiting to learn who wrote XY&Z 22.

Please let it be Omode pulling overtime

>>25755206
I don't care about Misty's goal because water Pokemon are boring as fuck.

>>25755224
Casey would have been good to have in Johto. Although the dub would have been unbearable with her nonstop baseball puns.

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>>25755233
So I guess she struck out with those?

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Guess what episode this is from

>>25755374
Wasnt this one from based director?

>>25755374
I don't know. Pikachu's face looks different. Maybe it's just the mouth.

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>next week will pretty much determine serena's future

To think, that just 3 years ago, we saw serena's childhood crush on ash and went full autism mode.

Fuck, I'll miss this season /padt/. There's just so many memories

>>25755219
Already caught it. Can't wait for Complete form and Ash Greninja to come out

How long until Ash is at the league?

>>25755453
Mid summer looks to be a good bet.

>>25755429
Next week?

Amyway, it's remained one-sided since then and will remain one sided for the last 30ish episodes.

>>25755462
Just let us enjoy the ride friend. No need to ruin the fun mate. It's gonna be over soon anyway.

>>25755478
How will next week determine what happens with Serena? You mean last week?

>>25755494
Don't know, I am not that anon and I am wondering that too.

>>25755429
What happens next week withSerena?

>>25755494
Oh he is probably talking new SM footage on Sunday. They might reveal SM protagonists. I hope you go easy on us when that happens.

>>25755501
>>25755507
SM footage. We'll get to see what the region looks like as well as a bunch of other things

>>25755523
That makes sense. Amour just needs a nice conclusion and people will be fine.

>>25755523
It won't make a difference. This thread will go to shit either way

>>25755533
Or will we just see the titlescreen again while Shoko relishes in the combined anguish of every single westerner out there? The initial ORAS footage was payback for Hiroshima. This will be payback for Nagasaki.

>>25755553
Can't wait for /vp/ to explode due to lack of info as she laughs

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>>25755429
>we will meet the xy family's replacement

I'm not ready anons

>>25755539
This. If they happen to show the female protagonist, she likely won't look like Serena, and it's even less likely for her to be named such. The anime could dress Serena as the next main character, and that fact is going to lead to an unending argument and a "new" piece of bait to make stale through repeated use.

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>>25755584
Neither am I famalam
>bonnie will leave by the end of the season

>>25755597
Why did they give Bonnie less screentime than Misty? She is literally the best female companion ever, and beats all the others combined. (Serena has Amour going for her, but her goal didn't start until over a year in, lasted barely longer, all her Tripokalon wins were rubbish and the only time she put on an actually good one she got fucked over by shitvoting)

>>25755584
I still latch to the Zyggie being in SM as reason for family to stick together.

>>25755616
How would you feel if Bonnie and Puni-chan stuck with Ash, but Clemont and Serena left? Ash becomes Bonnie's big bro of sorts, including all the times she gets homesick. She also forms a bond with the new female companion.

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>>25755615
Bonnie got plenty of screentime and will get more with zygarde core and team flare fampai
She's usually there to provide comic relief and cuteness in an episode and does it wonderfully

>>25755636
Long distance relationship between you know who or get the fuck outta here

>>25755584
At least it'll show that no "romance" with Ash will ever lead to anything.

>>25755642
>just a prank, bro

>>25755669
>yfw post-XY&Z 21, we will have KEEPUs that are actually jokes

>>25755642
Then why are most episodes about her filled with death and suffering?

>>25755642
what ep is this from

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>>25755705
From one of these

>>25755722
oh right, an old ep

>>25755688
>yfw it is Clemont who does the keepu, much to Bonnie's annoyance knowing how she'll never be able to pull it again on her onii-chan

>>25755597
Ash and Serena will get more than a handshake right?

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>>25755759
I believe they'll at least mirror what happened in XY007 for some final pottery if serena were to leave at the end of the season

>>25755759
>Bonnie asking girls to marry her brother
>Millefeui asking Ash if he has a bride in mind
>Serena looking at what appears to be a wedding dress
>Jessie fantasizes about marrying Steven
>Jessie wanting to marry that one doctor
>the Pikachu guy's flashback to his wedding
>Bonnie wanting to interrupt her brother's wedding next episode
Gee willikers, I dunno, man

>>25755827
b-but she's too young to marry

>>25755840
If they use a bit of novelization logic, no she isn't!

Or they can go a step farther: if they use State of Delaware logic from the year 1880, they're even three years past the age of consent for sex.

>>25755807
What exactly is Serena still afraid of from Ash finding out at this point?

>>25755642
Bonnie and Zygarde feel episode when?

>>25755759
they will get a hug or we riot desu senpai

>>25755898
the very last one when she sings the punichan song for it one last time as its body disintegrates

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>>25754156
You should have used a fully body shot of him tbqh senpai

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>>25754263
>>25754290
>>25754322
>implying I would ever let them forget

>>25754339
>>25754354
It's not like she cared too much, she was just getting a giggle out of teasing Serena.

>>25756042
But for what purpose

>>25756057
Why should they ever forget about Millefeui?

>>25755853
>Kanto has the same age of consent as Delaware did in 1880
>Ash and Serena fugged during Oak's summer camp
>it was entirely legal

I HAVE NO POKEMON

AND I MUST BATTLE

>>25755878
Still rejection I presume.

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>>25754404
You're alright

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Hey buddy I think you got the wrong door, the leather clubs two blocks down.

Would you guys be happy if Ash-Greninja takes out Diantha's Gardevoir but then loses to Mega Gardevoir?

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memes compelled me

820 hours on paint, hope it doesn't look assmade

>>25756497
Cute

>>25756497
Nice

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>Serena

>>25756424
Yeah, sure.

>>25755722
>That combo breaker with subtitles.
It trigger me

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Which one

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Do you choose? :^)

I have one small ray of hope that Serena won't leave with Yashio in the end.

Pokemon has always been about having fun and having strong bonds with your team. By anime logic, Serena's "just have fun" attitude towards performances should give her a giant advantage because it's in keeping with the franchise's morals.

The thing is, Yashio is telling her to do the opposite of that. Not valuing fun and bonds essentially makes her a villain of sorts.

There can only be two outcomes from this:
1. Serena convinces Yashio that fun things are fun and changes her outlook
2. Serena tells Yashio to fuck off because her bonds and fun are the most important things to her

If Yashio won out over Serena, it would go against the whole theme of Pokemon. I'm pulling for Serena to nope out and keep traveling with Ash.

>>25756642
>>25756653
Both at once.

YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE? NOT GETTING SUBS!

I JUST LOVE BEING THREE EPISODES BEHIND.

IT IS JUST AMAZING.

>>25756858
S-Sorry, anon.

>>25756757
>The thing is, Yashio is telling her to do the opposite of that
Sorry, but in XYZ20 Serena understood what she is lacking and it's not "you're having too much fun".

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>>25754899
Don't do this to me please

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>>25756955
Why did the thing she was "lacking" have to be so stupid though?

You can't rely "too much" on Pokemon for a thing where only Pokemon are capable contributing to the work.

>>25756858
go sub it yourself then ungrateful anon

>>25756994
Good thing this is a break week

At least the subs will be able to reach to the most recent episode

>>25756980
It's not only about pokemon. Serena in general, is weak and often relies on her pokemon/Ash. Elle is strong and she gives advice to strangers(like in XY064). she doesn't make audience worry, by fucking up and breaking wrist and her smile makes audience happy.
Serena is not queen material yet, she needs to be stronger.

>>25757048
HA YEAH FUCKING RIGHT. WE'LL GET ONE FUCKING EPISODE THEN IMMIDIATLY GO BACK TO BEING THREE EPS BEHIND.

>>25757077
IIRC THEY GOT WAY TOO BEHIND CAUSE OF THE HOOPA MOVIE

>>25757067
But that has absolutely nothing to do with performances, that and it's unlikely the audience had any knowledge of her hurt wrist, which in the end still presented no problem in her final performance.

>>25757099
>But that has absolutely nothing to do with performances
Well, personality is important for Performer too. Performances are reflecting performers personality(for example Jessie's performances are always kinda strange, just like Jessie's sense of beauty). Can't give crown to some crybaby like Millefeui/Shauna for example. Queen needs to be strong.

>>25757159
None of the audience are going to know the personality of the performers unless they get to know them personally.

None of the audience saw Millefeui cry as she did it after her loss backstage where none of the audience could have gone.

>>25757188
>None of the audience saw Millefeui cry
She didn't cry, but she looked really sad on stage, when Serena won first round.

>>25757206
Which was already after it was over, meaning it meant nothing in the end.

>>25757212
>meaning it meant nothing in the end.
If Milfy attempts again, she will certainly lose because people know she is weakling, who can't take loss without crying.

Serena needs to be more independent. She relies on others for strength. That's all there is to it. You can disagree with it, but that's what the anime is running with and why she will ultimately leave Ash.

>>25757239
It's too late to do anything about it now, she had a good start but they went in the wrong direction with her episode 60 onward.

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>>25757290
I'm still thinking they should have introduced the tripokalons earlier and at least add 2 or 3 more tripokalons before the master class

at least they're not swanna girl

>>25755462
>implying

>>25757330
She's going to leave Ash to train with Yashio in the end. So any development you think there was on Ash's side is moot.

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>>25757353
Enjoy the ride while it lasts

>>25757239
Except that isn't even a weakness when they've shown she's strong. In fact it's because she's relied on others that she's gotten as far as she's had.

>>25757311
First there was no Tripokalon for 60 episodes and then it gets rushed to have 3 Tripokalons within 50 episodes. They probably decided to change the story direction when the female writers got involved so they gained power to change Serena, I'm sure they originally had different plans for Serena.

>>25757311
Yes, Tripokalons were introuduced in XY040 and proper competition 20 eps later and that performers need only 3 keys to enter Master Class, I think they made them too short/rushed.
It's shame that Serena's goal got so little screentime, opposed to Dawn and May's Contests.

>>25757353
>implying again

>>25757239
Serena leaving for that reason would be rather ironic to me, because she would still rely on someone else to teach her how to git famous.

Also, it sounds weird that someone is willing to help a person to beat someone that also took her training and is apparently still under her supervision.

>>25757399
You're a retard as always longhair.

>>25757411
>it sounds weird that someone is willing to help a person to beat someone that also took her training and is apparently still under her supervision.
Yashio is tired of Elle's shitty performances.

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>>25757353
There is no reason to keep Serena, it will be hard to keep her entertaining when there is nothing left for her to do in the remaining episodes. There will be some filler episodes where she has to share the screentime with Bonnie but besides that nothing undoes the damage the shitty writing caused.

>>25757421
That could be one reason and would remind me of Whiplash if done similarly. That was a good movie.

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>insert mecha sfx here

>>25757436
>>25757418
It's like you didn't read the episode titles.

>>25757400
Also, Serena got only 3 pokemon. Even fucking Iris had four. It's not fair. After Pierre explained that 6 pokemon could be used in Tripokalon at once(and we never seen that, even Queen used olnly 3), I thought Serena will have full team, like Dawn.

>>25757457
>Comparing Perfect Zygarde to robots.
Don't insult it like that.

>>25757481
>not liking mecha

>>25754079
Aren't those synonymous? At least in the UK.
>>25755215
>that warm glow
>those cross-hatched windows
>those neon lights
yeah he's getting "treated" by Joy-san alright
I'm saying it looks like he's in a red-light district

>>25757457
>we still haven't seen Perfect Zygarde yet
I want to see him in his PERFECT FOOORM

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>>25757390
>Ash considers her strong
>she thinks she isn't good enough

Who is really right?

>>25757474
Serena's goal was rushed, and is the shortest path to the top but it's over now so w/e. The question is what will they do with her for the remaining 35-40 episodes.

>>25757518
>Ash becomes a wizard
Only 11 years left.

>>25757474
Oddly enough I think Serena works best with only 3 pokemon.

>>25757523
>The question is what will they do with her for the remaining 35-40 episodes.
Filler eps, like all Clemont focus after bro bowl.

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>>25757542
kek

>>25757474
Technically even though May and Dawn had 7 pokemon, a lot of their pokemon got screwed over screentime wise.

With May, her Munchlax didn't do anything till BF, and even then it was only in the battle round of one Contest till the GF. Her Eevee was also extremely late and AG only had 30 episodes left when she got it.

With Dawn, they had her release Ambipom and then gave her a Togekiss only 2 episodes before her Grand Festival. Even her Cyndaquil came so late in DP it didn't get much focus.

>>25757547
If she had more, she still could rotate them and performs with three
I wanted her to catch Rhyhorn and Meowstic.

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>>25757497
I prefer sentient steel instead of robots.

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>>25757549
>first episode is Serena and Pikachu
>every writer but Ohashi does amour
>Ohashi does the previous episode

>>25757575
>Catch Rhyhorn
she can just call up her mom for her's

>>25757597
>implying fillers can't have amour

>>25757597
Why is Ohashi such a faggot?

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>>25757549
Maybe throw this girl into the mix

>>25757474
They said could use, not needed.
Plus, the thing about Serena is that she actually has a better bond with her Pokemon than the other girls have, especially how Tripokalons have the "humans and Pokemon" thing working.

>>25757607
>Serena with a Rhydon or Rhyperior
I'd love that, especially if it acted like some Noivern esque powerhouse.

>>25757628
It's better if that crazy girls stays in those mediocre ORAS games.

>>25757547
Not without Mawile

>>25757617
>implying I implied that
>implying fillers don't have development at times

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>>25757597
The big test will be to see now that Millefeui isn't around, will Serena actually take some fucking initiative with Ash.

>>25757549
>implying Ash-Greninja isn't wearing a bracelet invented by Clemont to help Ash figure out Ash-Greninja as he had promised back in the first Ash vs Alain episode
>implying all his energies will not be to make it better for Ash as well as keeping a lookout for Bonnie after she has fallen in despair due to Puni-chan-related sufferings

>>25757636
>They said could use, not needed.
Still could show it, because it's interesting idea. If not by Serena, then by Elle/Shauna/Swanko/etc.
>Plus, the thing about Serena is that she actually has a better bond with her Pokemon than the other girls have
She could had more pokemon and have good bond with them. Ash has 6 mons in Kalos and he has good bond with every one of them.

>>25757618
You had Ohashi having Ash backseat driving Serena on how to catch Pancham.

He seems more of a wincest guy.

>>25757671
Millefeui a best.

>>25757672
>Ash
>Bonnie
The thing is, Clemont will be shafted by them in all these scenario. There would more focus on other characters, than on Clemont.

>>25757549
Have Serena try out in a Pokken battle, she's got a Braxien

>>25757672
>implying the device won't end up breaking in the end and it'll be Serena who has Ash perfect the transformation

>>25757640
>action waifu-themed performance
Want.

>>25757688
Millefeui was really the only one who pressured Serena to doing something. Now that she's not around will Serena just continue to be passive?

>>25757671
You say that as if Millefeui won't return.

>>25757523
>The question is what will they do with her for the remaining

Spill spaghetti, what else?

>>25757748
>lost Tripokalon
>lost Satoshipokalon
Yes, she won't

>>25757740
Probably, Millefeui better try harder at this.

>>25757748
She better, Millefeui a best.

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>>25757628
>Wanting to ruin XY&Z hype with garbage

>>25757740
Without Millefeui you've still gotten Ash going to the point that Millefeui even asks.

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It was fun while it lasted.

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>>25757759

>>25757759
>>25757806
She was never aiming to win the Satoshipokalon. She wants Serena to win that.

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Meowth please.

>>25757820
What does she have to gain from it?

>>25757834
Satisfaction from seeing people get together.

It happens in real life too.

>>25757841

Is that like some kind of NTR offshoot?

>>25757834
Personal satisfaction?
Fulfilling "Get helped by stranger, pass it to three other?"

>>25757820
>She was never aiming to win the Satoshipokalon.
>pokefan confimed she likes him, she was kinda confused when Ash said that he won't cheer for her
She liked him. If she wants Serena to win then she is a cuck and worst girl.

>Serena getting stuck in Kalos
>not following every other girl's example (except Misty) and going to another region to explore
>implying either tripokalons won't become a thing in other regions or Serena becomes interested in contests/musicals/etc.
Yashio will limit her potential, and given the fact that she is likely willing to throw Elle under the bus just so she can manage Serena then shouldn't Serena turn down her offer and instead choose her own path? If people say "she relies too much on her pokemon" in performances and equals it to relying on Ash's strength as well, would it no be also contradictory to have her be managed by Yashio, relying on her own how to become Queen?

If Serena chooses to leave it is not by Yashio's hand by her own. If she wants to gain strength on her own, not rely too much on her pokemon, and become an equal to Ash then she must choose her own path and not the one Yashio sets up for her.

>yfw Serena proclaims that she will become Queen of All Performers to coincide with Ash's dreaming of becoming Pokemon Master

>>25757848
Millefeui is a cuck. She would probably raise children of other woman.

>>25754061
I have to ask, how long have these showcase episodes been going on for?

>>25757852
It only said she had him on mind. When she was confused she asked Serena if she had made progress and got all smiley afterwards.

>>25757848
No?

>>25757841
Like all shippers, happiness through seeing two characters get together.

>>25757866
A woman is never a cuck, she could still have kids herself.

What will happen to Serena when SuMo comes out?

>>25757864
>and going to another region to explore
Tripokalon is Kalos-only thing.
And she is better to stay in Kalos, than go in Hoeen/Johto purgatory.

>>25757883
She will leave Ash and Amour would have amounted to nothing.

>>25757877
Exactly.

>>25757890
>not Kanto

>>25757880

A woman can't be a cuck, she'd be a cuckquean.

>>25757890
>>implying either tripokalons won't become a thing in other regions or Serena becomes interested in contests/musicals/etc.
Who said anything about going to those two places?

>>25757895
>implying

How much would you guys enjoy it if Ash loses to Tobias again in this league.

This time he has a regigigas and mega latios.

So wait, if Ash's bond with Greninja is supposed to be special (in that it takes on some of his physical traits), why did that ancient Greninja also seem to have those traits? Or is it just one massive coincidence? Did they just shove that in there to have a contrived reason for why Ash will leave a Pokemon he bonded with on such an intense level behind (in order to watch over a ninja village that already seems perfectly capable of protecting itself)?

>>25757907
>other regions
Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Sinnoh have Contests.
Unova has musicals. What regions? Orange/Decolora?
And Contests/Musicals are too different, Serena wants to be like Queen, and Contests/Musicals won't help her with this, because personality aren't important in them.

>>25757933
>yfw Serena is the one who invents tripokalons in the other regions

>>25757927
Same cross on the back, not necessarily ashes hair and hat features

>>25757927

he's related to ash, just like that lucario dude

>>25757927
>Did they just shove that in there to have a contrived reason for why Ash will leave a Pokemon he bonded with on such an intense level behind (in order to watch over a ninja village that already seems perfectly capable of protecting itself)?
but then Greninja is just another greninja, since you know. Ash has to be around to tap into the evolution/form or whatever.

>>25757927
The ancient greninja didn't have a hat and stuff. It just had a back Shuriken.

It probably had a strong bond with it's trainer as well and strong bond mode activates a back shuriken.

>>25757933
>Orange/Decolora?
Those aren't regions and originally Kanto and Johto didn't even have contests.

>>25757958
>yfw Mega Greninja in the games will have the giant shuriken blade in the back but not Ash's hat and hair
>gets a new ability that is just pretty much just Stance Change where Greninja utilizes Water Shroud or use its blade in its back
How broken will the metagame be?

>>25757965

It looks like it also had some kind of red marking on its head, but yeah, otherwise it's not a good angle to make out details.

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>>25757964

>Mfw next season Ash brings both Greninja and Pikachu with him to the new region.

>>25757927
All that Greninja had was the back shuriken and other small vague traits.

The bond thing can only be achieved with Pokemon and trainer, so it wouldn't work leaving Greninja at the village.

>>25757988

>it's physically oriented

not very

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>SUMO will be dual region like GSC
>anime repeats Johto and has the same companions

It can happen, right guys?

>>25757877
She seems to want in on him a bit going by XY26.

>>25758001
Honestly, I can't see any reason why this can't happen.

Ash has done it before where he's taken another pokemon with him to a new region. Phanpy for Hoenn and Aipom for Sinnoh.

Also, it'd kinda be like how Iris had Excadrill as well as Axew. Greninja would kind of be like a Pokemon to rely on in case shit went down early on.

What more is there to resolve?

>Wulfric's gym
>Serena's dream
>Alain, Manon, Team Flare and Zygarde story
>League

Something else?

>>25758051
>Zygarde yet to receive his spotlight.
It can, senpai

>>25758051
Johto didn't have the same companions. He got the 3 starters and pikachu and a noctowl and Heracross.

Although he did replace them as the series went on.

>>25758051
>anime repeats Johto
If this means reducing Serena and others to filler characters(like Brock and Misty were), then pls no.

>>25758074
>Johto didn't have the same companions

Pretty sure he's talking about Serena, Clemont and Bonnie.

>>25758074
>Johto didn't have the same companions.
uwot

>>25758060
>Serena's dream
Already resolved.

>>25758055
Ash'd be too powerful then, and unless they intend to up the powerlevels of the gym leaders to compensate, then they'll really need a really really great excuse on why Greninja should go despite its bond with Ash.

And then once again we'll get faggots who will say "why don't Ash just get his old Pokemon to beat the gyms, hurrduur" despite Ash explaining why he does so multiple times.

>>25758080
Misty was always a filler character.

Serena actually has more going for her.

>>25758082
>>25758083
Oh ok. Yea I thought we meant pokemon.

Nvm carry on.

Also Tracey > Brock but that's just cause I like people who draw better than horndogs.

>>25758099
>Serena actually has more going for her.
For now. In first 40 eps of XY she was literally filler too.

>>25758092
Just because him having Greninja tag along will be OP, doesn't mean Ash has to actually use it, especially early on in in his adventure in the new region.

Considering how based director has been with XY/XY&Z in breaking status quo's and shit, if he sticks around for the next anime series, who knows how he'll start it off.

>>25757890
>Tripokalon is a Kalos-only thing
They put Contest's in Kanto for the Battle Frontier saga.
I'm pretty sure Pierre has some distant brothers that look the same as he does

>>25758115
>breaking status quo's
>Master Class
He hasn't broken obligatory losing.

>>25758155
Serena essentially lost to the champion while winning what you'd call the regular league. May and Dawn both lost at what you'd consider the league.

>>25758092

Well, if he gets a new starter right off the bat, then Ash would obviously be using that instead of Greninja for most battles because it would require more training to get up to speed. His Greninja could even act in a sort of mentor role to his other new Pokemon (because let's face it, while Pikachu has been around a long time and is pretty tough, it doesn't really inspire immediate respect due to being unevolved).

Even Charizard was axed only 20 episodes into Johto, and Charizard was insanely popular back in 2001.

Greninja won't stick around.

>>25758060
Iris

>>25758186
>forgetting the whole evolution shit about Shudo

>>25758176
>Serena essentially lost to the champion while winning what you'd call the regular league
Master class != league, Grand Festival is not, too.
Where is Serena's prize for her league win? Her title?
She is fought E4 but lost. When you lose to E4, you're not winner.

>>25758186

Charizard wasn't bonded with Ash on a weird empathic level strong enough to cause a physiological reaction. If this thing with Greninja is actually the precursor to some mechanic to be introduced in SuMo, then that would be the reason to keep him around (as an advertisement for it, basically).

>>25758060
This reminds me on how Sycamore still doesn't know about Ash-Greninja.

>yfw this leads him to talk about how in some far away region there are things called Synergy Stones

>>25758155
>implying Serena beating all her rivals and losing to the champion is breaking status quo

>>25758234
Elle is rival. She didn't beat Elle. Ash also beat all his rivals in Sinnoh.

>>25758234
>isn't
Fuck

Hey, this is actually pretty great discussion.

>>25758247
Don't jinx it.

>>25758227
>yfw it is revealed that my niggah Ash is actually a living embodiment of a stone like those stones in the SuMo logos.

>>25758227
Even so, Charizard could have lasted a long time into Johto but didn't. You're not thinking in the context of 2000-2001 when Charizard TCG's sold for $100 and Charizard was still at the height of its popularity.

It was actually Charizard's departure in early Johto when the initial hate for the Johto saga started. I remember as a kid everyone I knew rage-quit the anime when Charizard left because we thought he was gone forever like Pidgeot and that Ash was, "always releasing his strong pokemon."

There was a huge backlash in the early Johto era when Charizard left. I remember seeing it all throughout the fandom.

>>25758244
Elle is the champion (Kalos Queen).

>>25758052
Millefeui never came across like she had a crush on Ash. She wasn't really bothered when Ash choose to root for Serena over her, and she was pretty happy when Serena was yelling at her about it.

>>25758284
There is no champions in Tripokalon. Elle is finalist.

>>25758268
>"always releasing his strong pokemon."
Sins of the past, a meme that continues to this day and has tarnished Ash's reputation forever.

>>25758176
She was the winner of nothing.

>>25758301
Ash has led a hard life.

>>25758300
>>25758312
>title held for year, that has to be defended and gives holder free pass to last showcase in tournament

This sounds very championish.