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Hoopa-U suspect

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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-oras-ou-suspect-process-round-6-purple-haze.3568442/

What are your thoughts on le stall fucking man? Do you want him gone? Do you want him to stay? Why or why not?
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>>25749221
>>25749221
basically the only things that can even attempt switching in on it are mandibuzz

fuck this thing desu
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>>25749221
Doesn't really bother me too much

It has weakish speed and no defense

It's good to have at least one pokemon in the meta game that is the designated stall fucker
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>Hoopa is a huge restriction in terms of teambuilding; considering that not only the fact that there are very few reliable Dark resists, but also the fact that none can safely switch into Hoopa. Hoopa lacks any true counters, making it impossible to prepare for and thus worthy of a suspect test.

You know they really want something gone when they use the "IT HAS SO MANY COVERAGE MOVES YOU CANT THEORETICALLY COUNTER IT!!" argument.

Went into the thread expecting a ton of "it invalidates muh stall!" arguments and was not disappointed.
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>BOO HOO IT HURTS MUH STALL TEAM
Why are smogonites such stallfags?
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>>25749221
>game limit of 70 games
That's new
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>>25749221

Is this legit, or an April Fool's joke?

Remember what they pulled with Giratina-Origin last year?
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umbreon does a decent job at killing it
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i would rather they suspect mega diancie

you need to have bullet punch on your team or your team is fucked
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>>25749368

This difference here is most of the fucks really hate this thing and the community has always been extremely biased towards change by excluding elements rather than introducing new ones.

Getting smogon to ban something is like throwing a hot dog down a hallway, but getting them to unban something is like trying to push that same hotdog through the head of a threading needle.

>>25749414

Spotted the sub 1100 shitter
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>>25749414
>earth
>quake
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Mega Metagross wasn't banned
Mega Sableye wasn't banned

Suspect test =/= automatic ban
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>>25749414
Oh yeah cause Diancie is such a centralizing and broken mon right?
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>>25749336

It destroys stall and balance, neither of those playstyles have anything for it. Basically with Hoopa around, it's run offense or just dont play. Just think about the fact that it destroys two whole playstyles. I'm personally an offense player and hate fat teams but I see where people are coming from when it basically makes certain playstyles unplayable. Maybe you should look into what happens in OU before saying arguments are weak
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>>25749435
>eq that outspeeds mega-diancie
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>>25749460
>literally impossible to check

I love the exaggerations
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>>25749460
>Hoopa
>Impossible to check
Is this nigga serious?
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>>25749368
>last year
That was only 3 months ago.
Right?
RIGHT?
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this thing dies after one smogonbird brave bird
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>>25749346

What does balance or stall do against hoopa

Name one thing.
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>>25749439

Those weren't quite the same....I'm cautiously optimistic but at this point I think they're starving for a successful ban.

>>25749458

A balanced team that this thing "destroys" wasn't all that balanced to begin with. Running a revenge killer/check for hoopa (of which there are a ton of options) is commonplace on "balanced" teams (M-Scizor immediately comes to mind).

>>25749460

These are the kind of irrational fuckers that run every suspect test.
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>>25749496
use umbreon :^)
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>>25749477
>>25749482
name 5 things that aren't 2hko'd by hoopa

hint: you can't

all you can do is sack something and then try to revenge it
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They need to start banning stallmons not offensive Pokemon. Stall is overpowered. And is used by the top player in OU.
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The line at the end about how he "can't wait to run pursuitless balance" is what really makes me laugh. It just says a lot about the people voting here.
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>>25749536
>an offensive pokemon is good at offense

w-wahhhh

Quick name 5 dedicated special attacking pokemon (with no boosts) that can 2hko chansey with evolite

Hint: you can't

I guess I'm right again haha :)
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>>25749501

I would barely call that a check since the only time that thing is coming in is after something dies or playing around it trying to predict a psychic move. Even then Hoopa 2hkos it easily with specs dark pulse and scizor weak teams can could certainly be carrying fire punch. I don't think this thing should be banned but a suspect is certainly warranted
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>>25749554
where can one watch battles of that "top OU player"?
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>>25749615
Hoops is mixed you lose haha

I guess you can't beat my argument
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>>25749614
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-350824937

Pokemonisfun is top player.
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Since the top OU players play stall, I know this this is gonna be banned whether I like it or not, but I will say, playing these last couple of months has been a blast. Stall usage is fucking nowhere, and I've had the most fun with this thing looming than the past couple of years playing.

The ride was fun.
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>>25749581

Dumbest comparison I've ever seen.
You completely singled out special attackers which can't 2hko chansey(while ignoring numerous physical attackers which can) while trying to compare it to hoopa which 2hkoes everything.

Also some special attackers that 2hko chansey?
Keldeo
And ironically Specs Hoopa U psyshock
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>>25749624

Lmao if you've never seen specs Hoopa you've never played OU. Goodbye.
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>>25749660
This guy is right

Hoopa-U is totally unfair and basically belongs on every team. It has no checks or safe switch ins and it's impossible to revenge kill. It's also very very very easy to use and impossible to predict and makes up 100% of the meta game currently like jeez just ban it! BAN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>25749628
>turn 36
>only one Pokemon out of twelve (12) has fainted

Holy shit how does anyone find this enjoyable!
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>>25749624

You do realize Hoopa has more than one set right.
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Git gud.

It gets revenge killed by basically every decent physical attacker in the game.
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>>25749683
>36
Bruh that's a really quick kill in a stall match.
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>>25749683
Thats another reason I hate stall, not just because it's overpowered but it makes matches take too long.
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>>25749728
What's a switch?
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>>25749740
>>>>>>pursuit

GEEZ ITS SO OP THERES NOOOOOOOOOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT HOOPA-U
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>>25749683

They live in their own world....we aren't meant to get it.

>>25749684

Almost every Pro ban argument is about how oppressive the specs set is so most people are considering it first.

>>25749740

What's a pursuit?
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>>25749729
>36 is a quick kill

I don't doubt that.

>>25749731
I'd hate stall less if it was fun to play against. It's just the opposite of fun. Why can't they ban stall on the basis of just being annoying and unfun to play against?
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>>25749748
>>25749753
What are pursuiters of OU? I know of Tyranitar and Scizor.
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>>25749536
Check means you can revenge kill it. You're thinking of counter, which means able to switch in AND kill. Big difference.
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>>25749221
If they have to ban this can they at least try unbanning a few pokemon that might not be so bad

Honestly I don't think Aegislash or Greninja were necessarily that bad
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>>25749829
s t o p
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>>25749789
that's basically it, i've seen it on some metagross and weavile sets though
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>>25749789

Bisharp and M-Metagross are seen commonly running it
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>>25749536
Nigga I'm talking about checks, not counters
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Hoopa-U is Gen 6 Hydreigon

And Hydreigon back in weather wars didn't get banned. So Hoopa-U shouldn't either. It's healthy for the meta game that's gonna end in 6-8 months anyway.
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>>25749901

I agree with this
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ban that shit, it had to be confined for a reason

t. totally not a stall player
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>>25749789

Weavile
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>>25749683
>he's never seen 1000+ turn stall vs stall battles
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>>25749221
You know, I've stopped caring about Smogon politics a while ago. I still play their meta-games, but I do so casually. I'll just hop on one day and see, "Oh, I can't use this fucker in this tier anymore, I guess it got moved up....welp...whatever." I honestly don't care a whole lot. I play "casually competitive," if that's a term I'm allowed to use. I hop on, build a team, kick ass or get my ass kicked, and leave.

The only thing that bothers my is when I meet Mr. and Mrs. Rando on the street, and bring something that happen to not coincide with Smogon rulings, mostly because I can't be bothered to constantly check the change log, and get called a cheater for using a Pokemon or a strategy that was deemed noncompetitive or overpowered in the Smogon community, for the said tier that I chose to use the strategy or mon in.

"I'm sorry, I didn't realize that this strat/mon was banned considering it was OK not too long ago. Don't know what suddenly changed that, but I'm sorry for not adhering to 'the rules' in our casual match..." God-fucking-damn. I'm sorry I'm not a member of the Smogon Master race, and therefor not expect every competitive player to always follow "the rules" of battling. I'll take my greninja and swagplay klefki elsewhere and replace them with something that's Smogon legal. Just don't yell at me because you aren't comfortable playing against "banned" strategies.

I guess that's mostly my fault for not asking about my opponents comfort levels beforehand, but Goddamn, I shouldn't have too.
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>>25749829
>Honestly I don't think Aegislash or Greninja were necessarily that bad

yes they were

especially motherfucking cancersword with the most bullshit move in the game, king's shield
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>>25750642

>Most bullshit move in the game...

Protect/Detect suspect test when?
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>>25750917

Protect and Detect don't lower your attack two stages
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>>25750917
>Protect/Detect suspect test when?
Are you not aware of what King's Shield does or are you just intentionally retarded?
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>>25750930
>>25750934

I know it lowers your attack two stages if you make contact (earthquake exists btw). I was just trying to make an argument as dumb as it being "the most bullshit move in the game".

Did you know it also doesn't block status effects? Burn/Taunt/etc the fucking Aegislash.
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>>25749581
Here's the difference: Chansey walling a Special Attacker doesn't result in a Pokemon lost.

Keldeo, for starters.
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>>25750934
>G-hyaaaaaaa~ my choiced physical attackers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

are people this retarded
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>>25749683
Don't bother.

Stallfags are delusional enough to think switching between M-Sableye, Chansey, Amoongus and Slowbro over and over and over takes serious skill and strategy,
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>>25749554
>>25749628

Mega Sableye needs to be banned.

Stall teams are effective partially because Mega Sableye prevents toxic or stealth rocks. Getting rid of him would get reduce of funsucking stall jerkoffs.
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Never understood why they decided to Introduce this thing to OU then test up, Typically anything above 670 BST starts in ubers and gets tested down like Kyurem-B.

But It'll be good to see Hoopa go, I've been clinging to Pursuit trapper T-tar to deal with band/specs/scarf sets, but Tyranitar still loses to Life Orb sets and at that point I just devolve to "lol send someone in and hope it works". So it'll be a breath of fresh air to not rely on him for my sole win condition against the genie.

But yeah this thing really should've started in Ubers in the first place, but instead we got 8 months of this guy rampaging through the tier.
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>>25749628
pokemonisfun is actually not that good. Sure he's better than most players but he uses extreme stall and relies on RNG way too often for a supposedly top player. Build a stall team with an emphasis for fishing for favorable RNG results and it's quite easy to ladder.
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Just so you guys know, the ladder doesn't mean shit

90% of ladder players are terrible

Suspect tests usually take tourneys into account, not the ladder
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>Every hacked to death mon in OU
>Hoopa-U is up for suspect
Is this an elaborate prank? Smogon would literally rather ban a pooty poke with snail speed rather than put bug moves on Muh Lando-T switch out to Rotom-W team?
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>>25751372
is there something about how Showdown works that makes fishing for RNG better?
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>>25751469
no, showdown emulates/tries to emulate cartridge mechanics as best as they can, they dont alter moves' effects
if the effect of something is wrong, it gets reported, and it gets fixed, just like that situation with magic room accidentally fucking with primal reversion
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Who /votingnoban/ here?
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>>25752212
>posting on smogon
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This thing and Mega Sableye need to leave.
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I don't even understand the point anymore....we're about to get new games and thus a new meta in about 6 months....so why bother?

It's like when they banned salamence at the end of gen 4 for like 4 months.....great job guys.
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>>25752212
>imploring anyone on here outside of sea pee gee will get reqs
hahahaha laughin my assout
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>>25753131
>implying Sun and Moon won't be Gen 6

Fuck off.
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>>25753173

>Implying ORAS didn't create a new meta
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>>25753131

Well they probably want to leave an ideal meta behind as we move on to the next gen as there'll be less focus and ability to shape it afterwards, they still play older gens in tournaments.
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>>25749628

>Vs. BLOODY SUNDAY

At least give the guy a chance to prove that he's actually good and didn't just get lucky.
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>>25749753

There should be a study done to prove once and for all that stallfags are more prone to autism than any other battling demographic.
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>>25750534
shut up lol
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>>25750534
me too thanks
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>>25749221
Are u fucking kidding me?

-80Speed
-60 DEFENSE

And meanwhile, ferothorm, cresselia, chansey, gliscor and mawhile shitting around
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>>25754218
hyper offense shitter detected
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>>25754223

what else do you wanna with a mono dragon
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>>25749221
What if we kept it and brought deo-d or aegislash back?
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>>25749221
>tfw m-mawile would make a nice check/counter to it, depending on the spread
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>>25754238
remove cancersword from all future games
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>>25754248
But nope, they banned that.
God, does Smogon have to ruin every fun thing?
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>>25750966
I did not know that, actually. Thank fuck
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>>25753486
I like stall. Am literally austistic. Your first sample now get to it
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>>25749221

REMOVE

GENIES
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>>25753486
they are lol, there doesnt need to be a study done
stall is what autistic people like to do, repetitiveness, safety, and calculations and shit
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>>25753486
>>25754416

I am not autistic, stall is the worst.
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>>25754218
>mawhile
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>>25749221
lmao, I told you it won't last
>muh stall!
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Don't these mega retards realize that it's healthy for metas to offer only offensive playstyles?
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>>25749581
Anything with psyshock
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>>25749829
Greninja was insane. If it was running the mixed attacking set there was basically nothing you could do vs it
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>>25749221
Why do they always try to force their shit music taste? Like, why the fuck is that music video there?
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>>25751407
I disagree. The fact that he's higher than PDC (who i'd argue is a top 10-50 OU player who is actually trying for number one says a lot)
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>>25749221
Yet another episode of Smogon banning pokemon they don't personally like.

It's all about favorites when it comes to Smogon bans, and Smogon wouldn't ban pokemon they like such as genies and other such cancer.
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>>25755075
>waaaah i cant get above 1200 points
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>>25755075
but anon, hoopa is a genie
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>>25755178

the irony
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I find it funny that XY MMedicham didn't get a suspect, but this thing does. Name me one Mega Medicham counter that can beat a set with HJK Zen and Ice punch

Protip you can't. Has 0 switch-ins yet it's still around
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>>25755223
and Thunderpunch
sorry
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>>25755223

Slowbro, mega slowbro, mew mega sableye, cofagrigus, cresselia. Not sure what you're talking about
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>>25755234

No one is ever running tpunch+ice punch. Matter of fact no one really runs tpunch to begin with
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>>25755236
Two of those are only ORAS (he said XY MMedicham), 2 of those are somewhat unviable, leaving only Cresselia and Slowbro.
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>>25755223

XY meta? You mean the meta with spooky sword(which countered it) and other threats like mega lucario and mega mawile to worry about? Yeah good one anon
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>>25755247
Mew is not unviable in XY
Slowbro was not
Cresselia and Cofagrigus arguably
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>>25755223

There was thing called Aegislash which dominated the majority of the XY meta, and made most psychics borderline unusable up until it was banned. Dont know if you've heard of it.
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>massive walls and stall heave Pokemon don't get banned because "you guys have a lot of wall breakers and you don't bring the exact right wall breaker to deal with my stall that your fault"

>any good wall breakers get banned because "it breaks muh stall, I can't figure out the exact right counter to it"

>stall reigns supreme
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>>25755223
Mega Medicham can't use items though
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>>25755236
Thunderpunch. Mega Sableye isn't XY now is he?
>>25755262
Obviously after those were banned
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>>25755264
Fine. Mew was the only "Counter" people ran Tpunch for slowbro though
And even then, MMedi was always paired with something that could deal with mew, like Bisharp. There's a reason BisharpMedi was common
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>>25755264
what happened to slowbro in ORAS?
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Thought it was pretty obvious that I meant deep into the XY metagame, since everyone knows Aegislash held it back, but I was talking about after the Aegislash/ Mawile ban. It was iterally in the same spot Hoopa U is in now
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>>25749221
Am I the only one that doesn't mind this going away just so I don't have to see this digimon tier trash design?
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>>25749221
Hoopa can do anything!
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>>25755564
One of the Pokes you use probably has a worse design.
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>>25755639
That is pretty fucking difficult to do
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>>25755516

That was a very short period.
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>>25755516

Aegislash ban also led to the increase in usage of many defensive psychics as well, like mew, celebi, bulky starmie, slowbro etc. which kept medicham in check, though yes, Medicham was very good during this period.
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>>25755708
>defensive psychics
Top fucking kek, this proves that Aegislash destroys Stall.

This is literally the only reason why Smogon banned Aegislash, and it's because Aegislash destroys Stall, which makes Smogon butthurt because they consider MUH STALL precious. The coin flip argument was literally just a pathetic and transparent excuse to ban something that wrecks their precious stall.
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>>25755797

It also led to the rise of usage of Mega Gardevoir, Mega Heracross, Mega medicham and Terrakion in OU, all if which are wallbreakers. It wasn't just bulky psychics, it opened up the usage if many other pokemon. Please know what you're talking about next time.
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Smogdrone here, i think the suspect test is dumb as shit because its just targetting shit that isn't broken at all despite the community outcry against it.

No point in arguing over it because you never change people's minds unless you're a tour player the community dick sucks to hell and back. At most, just get reqs, vote, and move on. if hoopa gets banned, just start using other breakers like rain dance manaphy or togekiss.

It's a gay ass system but you can't stop it or the bandwagoning that follows
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I'm so glad that the rare occasions I play Showdown its in the lower tiers
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>>25756320
Pretty sure UU, RU and NU have had more or just as much Suspect Tests than OU senpai.
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>>25755006
>252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 261-307 (40.6 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
FYI the only non-physical attackers capable of breaking through Chansey without dying in the process are Keldeo and Specs or NP Hoopa-U. Other Psyshock users don't hit hard enough by themselves and none of them have Nasty Plot to boost their special attack fast enough, having to rely on Calm Mind instead. So yeah, Chansey hard walls most special attackers, or at very worst forces 1on1 trades on them.

Neutral on Hoopa-U myself, but I know where pro-ban side comes from. It's mostly a problem of its held item, mispredicting it (mostly Scarf vs non-Scarf) can easily cost you the game right off the bat. It's certainly manageable, but very centralising, usually requiring you to pack multiple answers to it or very reliable revenge killers like Scarf Lando-T.
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>>25756413
Yeah, but its never quite the drama that OU is
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Choice scarf hydreigon! Choose spam move dark pulse, dragon pulse, flash canon, fire blast, earth power win or u-turn, win, and not be move locked. Old boy is so og.
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>>25749471
Any dragons dance minus t-tar, aero, scarfed lando, get gud
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>>25756494
It's only drama because of a much bigger playerbase, and also because OU is the primary tier, bringing the most retards to it.
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>>25749221
Why don't they just accept GF doesn't want Stall to exist?
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>>25756618
Why would you accept anything GF does in Singles? GF thinks Doubles (and even sucks at it, just take a look at the diversity in VGC 16 and the retarded coinflips everywhere with prio swagger or Dark Void shenanigans).
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>>25756094
>Smogdrone here
>targetting shit that isn't broken at all

When you say Smogdrone do you mean sub 1400?

Hoopa-U literally has no switch-ins, especially the Specs set of Dark Pulse, Psyshock, Focus Blast, Thunderbolt. It fucks over balance and stall completely. If it were itemless or didn't have coverage out the ass like Gunk Shot, it would be easier to play around, but that's not the case.

>>25756618
How dumb are you? Hoopa-U isn't even allowed in VG Singles, let alone VG Doubles.
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>>25756667
Doubles is the official format for a reason. GF are the official owners of Pokemon, not Smogon. Smogon has no say in what's official or not official.
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>It fucks over balance and stall completely
That's an objectively good thing. Competitive Pokemon that isn't pure offensive is inherently cancerous and shit and autistic. There's a reason why the official format is pure raw offense, and it's not because it's a coincidence.
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>>25756728
I'm going to disregard your opinion now since what you're saying invalidates the capabilities of a huge chunk of the Pokedex. The reason the official format is pure raw offense is because box legendaries are allowed. Even then, Smeargle is standard. Or are you forgetting Pachirisu?
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I use Hoopa-U a lot but I don't really care what happens to it either way. I've already replaced all the Specs Hoopa-Us on my teams to Specs Hoopa-C for the suspect test and it plays roughly the same (spam your big dumb STABs, Focus Blast the Dark types, Trick the Chanseys). It's obviously not as strong as big poppa Hoopa but its Shadow Ball is stronger than LO Aegislash's which was an amazing wallbreaker when I used it in the Aegi retest.
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>>25753486
I am autistic and I like stall.
Math checks out.
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>>25756728

That's really just your opinion, but ok. I don't know in what world that a pokemon that shuts down two whole playstyles(and mind you I am an offense player and have never used stall a day in my life) is good and doesn't at least deserve a suspect. I'm speaking from the amount of times I've used Hoopa and just watched it completely decimate any teams even inherently bulky. I mean if you're ok with a meta that is offense only, and there's no room for the use of other things then sure I guess what you're saying makes sense.
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>>25756728

Well if you're logic is gonna be "it shouldn't be banned because I don't like stall or balance" then smogon really isn't for you to begin with. What's the point of voting or taking a side if you're just gonna use your bias over what's best for the meta? I play offense and speaking from experience even I can see how it hurts the meta. It completely invalidates two whole playstyles. Whether it hurts the meta right now is not a debate, it's whether it's flaws make up for how much it does, and I think they do make up for it, and so personally I wouldn't mind if it stayed.
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>>25756898
>It completely invalidates two whole playstyles
It invalidates two cancerous playstyles. That's not even remotely bad.
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>>25756968

Did you completely ignore everything else I said. You're literally repeating exactly what the other guy said, and what I just refuted.
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>>25756898
Chansey with Evolite and MSableye invalidate any team that isn't stall or focused on killing them but wh re are their suspects?
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>>25756968
>balance is cancerous

You've got to be the dumbest poster of the day.
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>>25757020
No you're just a dumbshit who doesn't know how to deal with stall.

For those 2, Calm Mind Clefable sets up on them. Life Orb Tornadus-T 2HKOs each of them. Keldeo beats both of them easily. Mega Heracross blows them both out.
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>>25756968

Two whole playstyles which makes up a large amount of the Pokedex. But yeah I guess that's fine. We'll just all use the same things.
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>>25757020

If you don't have stallbreakers on your team then you might as well delete it. It's a bad team. No serious OU team even inherently offensive should be ran without stallbreakers. So that's a pretty bad argument.
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>>25757045
And any thing bulky with priority beats HoopaU.
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>>25757065
But every stall team should be allowed to run full stall and no offense. Ok.
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>>25757071
Alright, wise guy, I'll humor you. Name something bulky that doesn't get 2HKO'd by it. Bonus points for naming something with recovery.

Priority means jack shit since Hoopa-U can switch out and come back in later, at which point you're hard-pressed to find something else to come in.
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>>25757093

That literally makes no sense, but ok. If you didn't know, stallbreakers are commonly run on offense.
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>>25757093

Question: do you know what offense is, and do you know what makes up offense in OU?
Cuz it doesn't seem like you do from a statement like that.
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>>25757121
Name something that can 2hko a Chansey with Evolite.
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>>25757187
Is this bait? Terrakion
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>>25757187

Leave this thread. I don't think pokemon competitive discussion is for you.
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>>25750323
Please be joking. I don't mind playing against stall but I found 100+ turns in gen 2 out to be painful.
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>>25757223
Of course he's an overexaggerating faggot. But 200+ turns is pretty common in stall vs stall.
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>>25757233
Is that scenario common in OU?
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Bug/dark with priority when?

Poison/electric rotom form when?

These typings are so fucking badly needed in OU. Like Jesus
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>>25755505
This...thing
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>>25757243
Not that often since few people play stall in ORAS, so stall vs stall games are rare.
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>>25757233

I saw a 600 turn match just 3 weeks ago, and that's just how long I decided to stay so I don't even know how long it really was.
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>>25757187
How brain dead are you when this post was not too long before yours?
>>25757045
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>>25757187
>every Fighting type ever
>SD Scizor with Superpower technically kills it in two turns
>Xzard
>Megagross with Hammer Arm
>LO Bisharp with Knock Off + Iron Head
>Weavile has a small chance with Knock Off + Icicle Crash
>Band Azumarill, technically Belly Drum as well
>LO Excadrill
>Soft Sand Lando-T has a small chance
>Band Talonflame has a small chance
>physical Kyurem-B
>Band Ttar
>Mega Pinsir
And a whole bunch of more niche ones.
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>But switching out
Just use pursuit you dumb nergroids
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Hoopa isn't bad in my opinion. 90% of the time they're choice locked, so they're easy to predict. You can even Pursuit Trap them with a Dark type if they lock into Psyshock (and they will if you send in Chansey) Hoopa just comes down to prediction.

If naything, they shouldn't be looking to ban more stuff, they should be looking to unban stuff from ubers. Like, OU is full of fairies and Clefable is everywhere, would Palkia be too broken? What about Giratina? A lot of people loved the Giratina-O suspect test, what if they were serious about looking into suspect testing regular Giratina? Dragon isn't the mazing all-powerful typing it used to be and Both of those pokemon get forced out by really common threats like Altaria and the Latis
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Stall is the least skilled playstyle. Hoops is the chemo.
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>>25757223
>>25757233
no i wasnt joking or exaggerating. those thing's happen although not every day.

like this ;^)
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>>25749368
>Remember what they pulled with Giratina-Origin last year?

What happened.
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>>25760640
Haunter made a Giratina-O suspect test, ladder and all, but it was revealed to be JUST A PRANK BRO A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT like a n*gger
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>>25760259
why is the infernape using struggle?
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>>25760854

The Slowbro hit him with Block so he can't switch out and just walled all his moves. The Funbro set is why the Endless Battle Clause exists.
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Good old funbro, kekking your way to ragequits, BTW that thing is banned I Smogon as of now.

The amount of offensefags and their bias vs stall is rather amusing, specially when coming from folks that thing 2v2 spectator offense faggotory should be the rule, do you even cress?
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Hoopa is trash.
Knock Off and it's gone.
There ya go
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THEY'RE REMOVING THE WRONG GENIE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>25761786
>hoopa
>genie
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