LOL

>>25745075
tierno is a lazy fat fuck

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If the S/M rival/s manage to be worse than the X/Y ones I will gently bite my hat

>>25745075

I'm glad that the anime basically ditched everything about him from the games and actually gave him a proper team, because holy fuck was he an embarrassment.

>>25745075
>tierno means tender in spanish

faggot

>>25745075
You'd think with all that dancing he wouldn't be a fat fuck. Holy hell, were X & Y's "rivals" terrible.

>>25745075
Giving a mon only 1 move might be a way to make sure the bad AI doesn't fuck up.

>Talonflame (Swords Dance) (Gale Wings)
>Lilligant (Quiver and Petal Dance)
>Hawlucha (Feather Dance)
>Crawdaunt (Dragon Dance)
>Volcarona (Quiver and Fiery Dance)

Would this be overkill?

>>25745159
He eats after he dances

>>25745212
Ludicolo with Rain Dance

>No Ludicolo
>No Jynx
>No Hitmontop

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>>25745234

The Japanese name is something like Rain Prayer.

>>25745115
The anime in general is basically a non-shit version of XY. Everybody is better.

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Anime team:

>A dancing Blastoise.
>Politoed and Ludicolo (Rain Dance)
>Hitmontop (Dance-Fighting)
>A dancing Raichu.

>>25745271
barry was a cool guy

>>25745271

Was Barry the last good rival?

>>25745328
Cheren was okay up until he met Alder

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>>25745271

>>25745328
Hugh was great.

>>25745389
yeah, kinda forgettable. I only remember him for "MUH PURRLOIN"

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>>25745389

Eh.

>>25745389
I think he would be a lot better if they actually gave us a reason to care about his motives.

>>25745389
>Unfezant
>Only 4 Pokemon by the end of the game even in challenge mode
Fuck, even Serena gets 5

>>25745443
>starter
>Hand-Out Monkey
>first route bird
>buffalo he just caught right just now

Holy shit.

>>25745388
Jesus Christ

I try to like all the pokemon games, but XY made it hard sometimes

>>25745443
That Serperior can wreck your ass once it gets two coils up.

>>25745443
>>25745467
That battle music was wasted. Remember when he was first revealed and people thought he might be a mean rival?

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>>25745388
>>25745075
Pokemon didn't get easier, they said. You just got older, they said.

God, everything about X/Y is fucking atrocious except the new Pokemon and somehow that's what people bitch about most

>>25745488
>lasting long enough to Coil not once, but twice

>>25745443
I cant defend his pre-post game team, but I liked him as a character. He wasnt all 'freinds forever" like X and Y guys and had his own arc, rather than only existing in relation to you

>>25745456

1. Scrap the stupid Purrloin and replace it with the third starter.
2. Make it clearer that it was a gift from the dead grandpa.

>>25745496
But that's Battle Maison.

>>25745388
The final Cyrus fight is one of the hardest fights in the series.

>>25745075
Blame junichi masuda.

>>25745496
I really need to finish ORAS, that looks like fun

>>25745496
Wally confirmed for Smogonfag

>>25745496
That's his post game team though.

Either post is Victory Road team or everyone's post game teams

>>25745328
>Barry
>good
I should fine you

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>>25745075
LOL

>>25745529
>Whirlwind

>"PIDGEOT used Whirlwind!"
>"But it had no effect!"
>"Better use it three more times!"

>>25745075
No way
I knew the X&Y rival were trash, but I didn't think they were THAT bad. Seriously, that's worse than some of the garbage movesets that gen 1 had.

>>25745505
>Scrap the stupid Purrloin and replace it with the third starter.
what would changing the species do exactly?

>>25745489
Yeah, usually characters that look as dark and emo as him are bad guys, but he acts basically identical to Barry. I guess they don't want to upset little children by having people act nasty to them.

>>25745529
honing in on rage is kind of stupid on charizard when it still has 3 good moves

really, you should be focusing on pidgeot, because what the fuck is that doing on a champion team

>>25745529
What does this have to do with every trainer in X/Y being fucking stupidly easy

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>>25745529
>not taking into account Gen 1 moves and Pokemon and limitations and stats
>not taking into account the context of both teams
>being this mad

>>25745388
To be fair, Lysandre actually gave me trouble the first time I did a speedrun, using only a Lucario that was out of PP on some of its moves

>>25745568
You cherrypick Tierno, he cherrypicks the fucking champion of the very first game. Simple as that.

>>25745529
>comparing the 1st gen that had much less code, pokémon variety and moves in general to Gen 6

That right there is a textbook example of flase equivalence

>>25745558

People would be more likely to care if it was a starter instead of early route trash.

>>25745577
And OP didn't take into account that Tierno has a gimmick team, yet was so mad that he needed to point it out. What's your point?

>>25745577
TMs still exists, and other trainer used them too.
there is no excuse for Exeggutor and Rhydon.

>>25745529
>whirlwind useless on trainer battles
>both sky attack and wing attack
>psybeam when you have psychic
>literally no stab on rhydon or exeggutor
>both have the most retarded movesets ever
>leer gyarados when you could have any of the elemental beams as coverage
>rage charizard when you could have earthquake

>>25745599
The anime did his gimmick way better, what was Gamefreak's excuse?

>>25745586

One game was ~20 years ago. One is not. There was hardly any science to trainer Pokemon design back then.

>>25745590

>Sneasel and Magneton because muh originals faithfulness

I'll give ORAS credit where it's due for dropping the "no future evos" bullshit.

>>25745591
why would they? you can get starters easily in this day and age.changing the species does nothing to the quality of the story

>>25745588
>>comparing the 1st gen that had much less code, pokémon variety and moves in general
Mega Drain, Psychic, Flamethrower, Earthquake and Rock Slide are all moves that existed in Gen 1.
No. Excuse.
also, that's a Champion team too. They literally didn't give a shit and it gets a free pass because muh Gen 1 muh Gary muh Champion Rival.
His FRLG team is another story though.

>>25745599
A Gimmick Team is in now way an excuse for your pokemon having less than 4 moves in it's final battle. You are literally saying it's ok for Gamefreak to prioritize pushing a meme over making an interesting/strong rival.

>>25745075
>Fat people

Not even once.

>>25745577
You could easily make a better team using only Gen 1 moves and Pokémon. In fact they did with Yellow.

>>25745656
Tierno wasn't your rival.
He was your friend, and he never cared about battling pokemon.

>>25745522

Explain why he wasn't.

>>25745648
Gary's team is coded by using the default level-up moves, back when team building wasn't very advanced. When they had a shot at his team in FRLG, they properly fixed it.

And even back then Gary's team is easily more escusable than Tierno. Roserade has ONE move. Let that sink in

>>25745562
But once rage was used in gen1 that pokemon could not do any other attacks than rage.

>>25745636
Ok to be completely fair there is no way to evolve Magneton into Magnezone in HGSS and a Razor Fang can only be obtained at the Battle Frontier in HGSS. So him not having fully evolved Pokemon is justified.

>>25745075
To be fair, Tierno never claimed to be anything but shit at battling

Still a waste of space though

>>25745134
means cute also

>>25745677
And this is why Pokemon has gotten easier. We are now bombarded by "friends" who are easy to defeat. We no longer have rivals that kick your ass and want to be better than you. Now we have like 4 weaklings who you fight every once in a while that are all nice and friendly to you and heal your Pokemon.

>>25745698
fair enough, but i've honestly never seen his charizard use it

>>25745586
>You cherrypick Tierno
And he's fucking garbage. Even ignoring the amount of moves, he only has three Pokemon.

>>25745688
>Gary's team is coded by using the default level-up moves, back when team building wasn't very advanced.
other trainers have Pokémon with TMs.
Fuck, some even have moves they can't learn in any way, or before the level they get them at.
You're explaining how they fucked it up, but not why or how it's excusable.
>Gary's team is easily more escusable than Tierno
one is a champion, the other isn't even considered a rival, Calem/Serena is.

>>25745736
>And this is why Pokemon has gotten easier.
Or maybe it's because it's a game for kids and we're all now >20 year old neckbeards?

>>25745767
>Or maybe it's because it's a game for kids and we're all now >20 year old neckbeards?
This fucking thread literally proves that's not the case

If you think that X/Y wasn't just legitimately baby mode pants-shitting easier compared to earlier games, you have brain problems

>>25745767
Then how do you justify >>25745388 and Cyrus having a legitmately threatening team? I remember Ghetsis' Hydreigon was pretty fearsome as well.

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>>25745767
>p-pokemon games aren't getting easier guys! the overpowered exp share you get earlier in the game, the gym leader's levels getting nerfed, lati@s being handed to you for free in the middle of the story, being given a stone that turns your pokemon into a legendary that barely anyone else in the game uses, and game freak themselves admitting the games are being made easier for a more casual audience is just you getting older and being better at the game!

>>25745796
Did you not see >>25745529
and Gary was the fucking champion, not some fat retard who doesn't care about pokemon battles.


>>25745801
With my original point that Tierno isn't a rival or someone who cares about pokemon battles...

>>25745677
Outside Silver, your Rival was always your friend.

Lyra was a "rival" friend too but never battled you.

Lucas battles you once or twice, but his team was decent for early game.

Both better executed extremes

>>25745825
Okay, then why does Lysandre suck so hard compared to Cyrus or Ghetsis

>>25745829
Serena/Calem was your rival. Not Tierno.

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>>25745801
I just replayed Black and holy shit that fucking Hydreigon. He killed 4 of my team members and I had to use X Items on my lv 57 Serperior just so I can 1 hit KO him with Leaf Blade. Coil+X Speed is the best.

>>25745820
>being given a stone that turns your pokemon into a legendary that barely anyone else in the game uses

You know, I wish Mega Stones were more common in game. All of the Elite Four should have one first time around, even some of the later gym leaders. Hell, make a new Ace Trainer variant called Mega Trainers that shows up around Victory Road and other end game places, using the Mega's that otherwise wouldn't get a spot on E4/Champ team.

>>25745844
And Lyra and Lucas were better executed versions of the same thing. That's what I just said.

Also, You have two Rivals in BW, why can that not be the case here?

>>25745820
- You cant turn it off
- Until the 5th gym
- You can leave it in the box
- You can ignore the megastones if they trigger you so much.

But yeah, its more easier in some aspects, like breeding, thanks to god.

>>25745820
You realise you can turn the exp share off, right?

>plays the game on easy mode
>complains the game is too easy

>>25745606
>Not knowing gen I games coded the trainers to have the last 4 moves learnt by level up
I want these kids to leave.

>>25745590
piss easy

>>25745888
>>25745897
guys if you go out of your way to make the game harder youll notice it actually isnt a casualised shitshow with no challenge

>>25745888
Oh, the gyms are only nerfed for HALF the game, not all of it, so it's not easier! Also constantly having to run away from everything the games give you just to not make the game a snorefest isnt an indication of anything either, yeah

>>25745934
>Oh, the gyms are only nerfed for HALF the game, not all of it, so it's not easier!
yeah, because the next gym leaders got buffed.

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>>25745825
Gary gets better teams with each gen, though.

>>25745934
>WAHHH, MY LEADERS LOST 1 OR 2 LEVELS!! NOW THEY ARE A PUSHOVER!!

>I FEEL OBLIGATED TO USE THAT THING I HATE BECAUSE THEY GIFTED ME IT!!

>WAHHH!

>>25745897
It's not easy mode. Stop pretending it is.

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What does it mean when a Pokemon Sidegame is more difficult than the main series? Skill Swap Slowking and a Slaking what the fuck

>>25745888
>still makes the game easier
>at the point where your pokemon are overleveled from exp share anyway
>still makes the game easier
>still makes the game easier

when your argument boils down to "b-but it's not easier if you ignore all the things that make it easier!" then you know the game is shit

>>25745972
With the exp share turned on it is

>>25745928
>>25745934
>>25745992
these basically

>>25745975
Why is Tyranitar holding a Nugget?

>>25745992
My point was "if he/she/it hate those things"

And remember, we arent the retarded kids from years ago who started their first pokemon game.

>>25745388

Ghetsis Team at the Elite 4 is pure death and is proof you're not even remotely read to face the actual champion since his team is Lv 60+

I had to fucking stall to win because I had a shit tastic team because B/W has horrendous options for teams.

>>25745995
No it's not. The game never states anywhere that it's an easy mode.

The "easy mode" bullshit is just an excuse you apologists are using to defend the game. If they meant for it to be a difficulty mode they would have put in ACTUAL difficulty modes like in BW2, not some vague shit in the form of an item that's turned on automatically where the player is never given any indication that there's an advantage to turning it off.

>>25746020
>And remember, we arent the retarded kids from years ago who started their first pokemon game.
refer back to >>25745801

>>25746014
So you can sell it once you catch it I guess.

>>25745948
In a vacuum, sure. But the later normal trainers are higher-leveled, so you get more EXP. You're definitely higher-leveled comparatively to them than you were in RS. Well, maybe not for Liza and Tate, but who the fuck cares about any non-Emerald version.

Source: I'm autistic and did runthroughs of Sapphire and AS with identical teams.

>>25745496
Why is it so cimplicated to unlock this battle, you need to win against a Chatelaine on Super mode

>>25745743
Tierno fits oin the definition of a rival. It's a recurring character that battles you often. I know he makes an awful job at that, but he's a rival.

Complaining about Gary's team is like complaining that Microsoft Word 2003 doesn't have the cool shit the 2015 version does: the technology just wasn't all that back then. Once again when they looked at his team again in FRLG with better engines and technology they fixed everything: the first team wasn't a conscious design

On the other hand they KNEW what they were doing when they gave Tierno 3 pokémon, one of them with ONE move, on the most advanced pokémon game at the time.

>>25746055
That is because you need to git better at RGN

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>>25746067
Fair point

>>25745388

Everyone can shit on DPPt's multitude of problems all they want, but you can't deny that Gen IV was the last time GameFreak actually put effort into boss teams.

Seriously, Gen V was when they stopped caring about difficulty, and Gen VI's embarrassments were the result.

>>25745964
WAAA, AND greentext?

Not realising that being gifted several super powerful things may be a problem?

It's underage on /vp/ alright

>>25745948
Tate and Liza are a 7th Gym with two pokemon. And yes, it was shitty in RS too

>>25746084
To be fair, Gen V still had some decent boss battles in Ghetsis, Hard Mode Iris and even Colress, and Wally's ultimate team is pretty damn competent.

Rip Gym leaders though

>>25746097
>[WAAAAHH INTENSIFIES]

>>25745888
Gen 7 is going to be even more casualized and people will start defending it with "it's not that easy if you do a Nuzlocke!"

>>25745884
>two rivals in bw
Three rivals, for all intents and purposes, for that's what N is, essentially.

>>25746130
>Gen 9 comes out
>"it's not easy if you only use your starter with an everstone and use nothing but normal.type moves!"

>>25746059
he's as much of a rival as Eusine.
>Complaining about Gary's team is like complaining that Microsoft Word 2003 doesn't have the cool shit the 2015 version does: the technology just wasn't all that back then.
are you just gonna keep ignoring the part where the other trainers in the same game had functional teams and movesets with TMs and even cheated moves?

>>25746130
I hope those fags who want a "protagonist must die" mode leaves soon after they confirm Sun & Moon are still casualized, outside of online battles.

>>25746084
>Gen IV was the last time GameFreak actually put effort into boss teams.

Lol what? Ghetsis' BW team was much better than any boss team that came before or after.

>>25745847
This was the first time I had ever seen a Hydreigon and it ended with me getting torn a new asshole. I was only able to beat him because I put aside my pride and stalled my way to victory.

>>25746172
>if he defends Pokémon games not being a cakewalk, he must want Dark Souls level of difficulty, lmao

k den

>>25746130
People already use this excuse for Gen 6

>>25746134
Right. Some dont count N but I suppose I do.

>>25746059
Why the fuck do you idiots keep mentioning technology as though that has anything to do with why all of RB's movesets are auto-generated (except for gym leaders who replace one move on some Pokemon with their TM)? Gamefreak just decided to put almost no thought into moveset composition, which is a design choice. Easy case-in-point as to why the technology doesn't matter: Yellow had actual movesets (well, Gary's Exeggutor is still retarded).

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>>25746172
There's a middle ground between XY's piss-easy difficulty and something like a kaizo ROMhack. But you've pretty much proven that you only defend shit like the Exp. Share because you want the piss-easy difficulty if you're using arguments like this.

>>25746191
If you uderstandu all is right with za warudo :^)

>>25746116
With a handful of exceptions Gym leaders have all been shit. Their so easy that you can sleepwalk your way through them.

GF need to change them up and get rid off this mono-type bullshit, but it ain't gonna happen with Masuda in charge.

>>25746210
>Retarded
>With how Sleep works in Gen I
If exeggutor wasn't slow as fuck it would be pretty threatening.

>>25745498
Serperior is fast and if you cant K.O it in one go it can get two coils up easy then the next turn sweep your ass with leaf blade.

>>25746224
>Implying i care about the exp all

Well, it can be useful outside the main story, grinding for some teams in pvp, but if people gets triggered by things they can use or not i have to say something.

It would with them if i couldnt turn off that thing, doe.

>>25746265
Oh, I get it, you want the games to remain as piss-easy as XY because "it's an epic BTFO to the haters!"

Should've known I was talking to a memer.

>>25746390
...no??

Understand what you want, im only tired of people entitled by their opinion of things they dont have to use if they hate it so much.

But the salty spitoon its that way→, if you are lost.

>>25746461
>entitled

Yep, you're a memer.

>>25745496
>female Garchomp
Is Cynthia his waifu?

>>25745975
keep in mind this game is also almost exclusively double battles. This guys an ass.

Are there any XY rom hacks that don't give the game super edgy dialogue and don't go out of their way to make the game incredibly difficult?

I want to play through them again, and I want at least a little bit of a challenge.

>>25745105
Well you can't give a pokemon less than one move

>>25746897
There are XY ROM hacks?

>>25746935
There's a handful of XY and ORAS hacks.

You have CFW on your 3DS, right?

>>25745496
>that talonflame
>that azumarill
>that garchomp
Since when canon characters are smogonfags

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>>25745496
>was so super hyped for this fight, thinking I'd finally get a challenge
>sweep him easily

>>25747035
>Pokemon fight outside facilities
>"challenge"
What the fuck?

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>>25745951
>held item: Iron Ball

>>25747070
It gives Fling max BP

>>25745706
didn't stop Jasmine from getting one

I still think the Gen II rival (Silver) was the hardest after you try to enter Ilex Forest and he stops you, you don't really expect him to just pop up there so when you're a kid you don't even think to heal up and there's not really much Pokemon to find before that, so you might have a Pidgey or Mareep or Heracross at best. And he rolls in with a fucking Gastly and a surprisingly buff Zubat and tears your asshole apart, man I had respect for that when I was a little tadpole.

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Blue should have had something like this in R/B:

Pidgeot: Swift/Sky Attack/Mirror Move/Double Team
Rhydon: Rock Slide/Earthquake/Body Slam/Submission
Alakazam: Psychic/Seismic Toss/Reflect/Recover

Venusaur: Sleep Powder/Razor Leaf/Body Slam/Leech Seed
Blastoise: Surf/Ice Beam/Earthquake/Body Slam
Charizard: Flamethrower/Earthquake/Slash/Seismic Toss

Exeggutor: Sleep Powder/Psychic/Mega Drain/Leech Seed
Arcanine: Flamethrower/Body Slam/Dig/Agility
Gyarados: Surf/Ice Beam/Thunder Bolt/Hyper Beam

Keep in mind the horrible attack limitations of most of these Pokemon and how stupid the AI is. Complex movesets just wouldn't really work, but at least this mess would be better than Tail Whip and Leer on the same god damn Pokemon.

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>>25747070
>Attract

>>25747086
>halving your speed in return for a single 130bp non STAB attack
No thanks

>>25747115

Jasmine has also been to Sinnoh though.

Im B2/W2 I kept getting my ass kicked by Colress in the final battle against him on the Plasma frigate.

>>25747181
>Machamp
>caring about speed
Nigger

>>25747212
ok, Karen's Weavile then

>>25747152
>this art is official
>its official that women are getting the hots for pokemon

>somehow fags still are in denial

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>>25745328

>>25746900
But you can give them no attack moves.

>>25747221
Challenge mode?
FIVE FOUR THREE TWO ONE

>>25749075
>Gen 3 rival
>final team has no Hoenn-native pokémon

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>>25745291
and yet

>>25745529
Pokemon Stadium movesets were better. Should show a comparison. R2 E4 were actually hard.

>>25745271
he likes crunch

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>>25745951
>Fling+Iron Ball
Pretty good.

>>25745496
> Talonflame
> Garchomp
That makes no sense. They not even fit properly to his personality.

Game Freak and his forced attempts to get popular Pokémon in all

>>25745951
>No Guard
wut. Uhh....isn't this OP as fuck?

>>25749311
Machamp is too slow for No Guard to be truly OP
If he was released in Gen 4+ he'd definitely be one of the best Pokemon

>>25749338
Machamp was one of the best pokemon in gen 4

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>>25749384
Yeah, so imagine him with the effect of power creep.

Pic related as a base for his mega

>>25749120
To be fair Roserade and Magnezone evolve from two of his in-game mons. Gallade was on his in-game team. Marill is found in Hoenn. He dumps his Altaria for Garchomp and adds Talonflame.

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>>25745529

It was fixed by Yellow.

They should just remake the gen 1 remakes so we get Gary again

>>25749384
Those were the days

>>25745496
I remember trashing him with my Mega Mawile alone on that Victory Road battle. This is actually quite good on the other hand, I'm curious about this fight.

>>25745389

>Hugh
>rival

Nah.

>b-but starters!

He has no interest in the league
Set off on his own journey (which was completely different from yours)
Helped you out three times as much as he actually battled you
Speaking of battle, only battled you to see if you were tough enough (whether it was for team plasma or the pokemon league) which was 4 times.

Hugh is not a rival

>>25749269

It does make sense. Wally's entire character and ark is from him going from bitch boy to man with brass balls

Makes perfect sense he'd go full Smogonfag (except for Roserade cause that's probably his Waifumon)

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what happened

>>25749989
>cannon aurora
>beam clamp
what the fuck do these moves do?

>>25750554
are you retarded?
It's obviously
Spike cannon, aurora beam and clamp.

>>25747070
>What is trick room.

>>25749311
>>25749338
>Not noticing trick room on Exeggutor.

>>25747181
>Not noticing trick room

>>25745496
>assault vest azumarill
looks fun

>>25749120

Roselia and Ralts aren't Hoenn native?

>>25745928

>turning a feature off/boxing a pokemon/not using an item is "going out of your way" to make the game challening

you're an idiot.

>>25750199
This is one thing I really loved about Gen V, becoming the Champion wasn't the be all and end all like in previous games, people actually had other aspirations.

N - Beat Alder, but didn't take the title because he had bigger plans

Hilbert/Hilda - Didn't bother with being Champion and left to find N

Cheren - Beat the E4 but discovered there's more to life than just being strong and went to become a Gym Leader

Hugh - All he cared about was getting back Purrloin, he didn't give two shits about being Champion

Bianca - Set off on a journey to become strong, and later found her calling as a Professor's Assistant.

Benga - Implied to be as strong as a Champion but decides to spend his time as Final Boss in Black Tower/White Treehollow instead of challenging the league

I loved this because the whole Champion thing has always been shallow as fuck in all honesty. The game builds it up as this cool and amazing thing but when you eventually become Champion you can never do anything with it, you can't even stay at the Pokemon League and defend your title, it's completely fucking pointless.

In mainline Pokemon games, the journey >>>>>>>>>> destination.

Batlling through the gyms, main story and E4 = Fun
Becoming Champion = Shit

>>25745291
I'm just surprised that you found a list like that.

>>25751169
Being a "rival" by definition is having similar goals to strive for. Gary is often seen as the best rival because he explicitly is competing with you specifically to get to your goal. He even beats you to it.

>>25746249
Not really. Exeggutor's attack stat sucks. All it needed was Psychic to start kicking ass. Mega Drain would be good too since it IS supposed to be his token grass type.

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>>25745951
>Pidgeot instead of Gyarados

>>25751494
Sleep+Leech seed rapes

>>25745975
I can't remember if the order is randomized or not (and I'm too lazy to look it up), but I know he can send Slowking + Slaking out Turn 1 and just auto win right there. Colosseum was ridiculously hard.

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>>25745388
>tfw doing a nuzlocke on platinum
And most of my casualties have been to Team Plasma's faggotry to boot.

>those --'s

holy fuck

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>>25745496
>Finally get to this fight
>He only used the Victory Road theme as his encounter music and has a generic battle song

>>25748856
>>this art is official
Officially drawn by an intern?

>>25751501
Pidgeot is Garys ace now that he's been retconned out of having a normal starter or Eeeve

>>25745975
Wasn't the first Pokemon they would send out always randomly decided, too? Or was that just the last guy with the Shadow Togetic?

>>25749123

because the pokemon itself is dancing you dummy.

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>>25751749
>Shitgeot

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>Granbull
>Swellow
>Manectric
>Starmie
>Aerodactyl
>Altaria

>>25745529
>blue beat lance with this team

yea im calling bullshit

>>25745271
>most of these would still be viable sets with different abilities and items

>>25751918
>>25751749
>>25751501
>>25745951

Blue/Green/Gary doesn't have an ace pokemon, that's what makes him special. He's the biggest collector out of all the protagonists/rivals. He legitimately has every Kanto and probably every Johto pokemon and way more than 6 pokemon trained up to a high level.

Also, Pidgeot is the 1st gym leader in Johto's ace anyways.

>>25746084
>Gen V was when they stopped caring about difficulty
Nigga it is literally so far the only gen with difficulty mode options

>>25745271
But Barry's starter is Infernape, anon.

>>25751559
nah, scizor comes out first, boosts, then baton passes to slaking on the same turn slowking uses skill swap

>>25745847

Oh, I remember how I was legitimately scared of this. I had just defeated N and thought "well, that's it then" and this fucker appears.

Cofagrigus is a bulky bastard and otherwise that teams hits like a truck full of bricks. Not to mention the insane coverage. The Hydreigon easily took out half of my mons. Including Reshiram. Samurott managed to take the three headed monstrosity out with X-Scissor eventually. The best boss fight in the series.

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>>25745493
>Pokemon didn't get easier, they said. You just got older, they said.

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>>25745388
> - -

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>>25756808

>>25753360

Said difficulty mode options were shit and required you to beat the game and trade keys with another player.

>>25750895
yeah he is the retarded one

>>25745820

This makes me a bit curious. Did Masuda Freak actually say that they've casualized the games? I mean, it's obvious that they did it but I've never heard them actually admit it.