/pmdg/ - Pokemon Mystery Dungeon

god fucking dammit, why do the endings still make me tear up so much

Replaying Sky feels really refreshing after going so long going through nothing but hellish level 1 dungeons

>>25718627
cuties

Let me know if anyone needs rescuing in Explorers

so /pmdg/ what pmd song have you listened to most in the past week/month or so, if any?

I think I'd have to say poliwrath river

>>25713461
anyone? is super mystery dungeon worth the dollar or do i get something like monster hunter/fire emblem/SMT between now and SM?

Is there a list of what music plays in which dungeons anywhere? Trying to sort out my ost list for this game but it's tough naming them when I don't know what they're called from:

http://3sf.joshw.info/p/Pokemon%20Super%20Mystery%20Dungeon%20%5bPokemon%20Chou%20Fushigi%20no%20Dungeon%5d%20(2015-09-17)(Spike%20Chunsoft)(Nintendo).7z

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>>25718742
Aegis Cave.

>>25718939
I'd say it's well worth it. Really good gameplay and a lot of things to do to 100% complete the game.

>>25719272
ooh

gettin stoned, I presume?

and not in the good way

Is there a different cutscene if you defeat Jirachi?

First thing I did after arriving in the town was putting my whole inventory in the box

>>25719284
im willing to bet it's the same

they never differentiate between "you won the supposed-to-kill-you boss battle" and "you lost the supposed-to-kill-you boss battle"

>>25719278
Oh yeah. Thankfully it's all over now, at least until the next replay.

>>25719284
I didn't even know that you could lose the fight against Jirachi and continue. I thought the game was just having another one of those stupid difficulty spikes.

>>25719329
Yeah, I thought I'd get my first game over.

I'm actually kind of sad, that the fight is skippable with it being one of the squares that are being filled

I really love the collect-icons-of-events mechanic in pmd, all the icons are cute and it's fun to fill up the bar

it'd be nice i fthe game would space them out evenly from the start so you never know how many events there are total, though

>>25719342
I'm sad that it filled one of the squares because it signified that a fourth of the second half of the game was already over before anything really started.

>>25719349
I really thought that Super would do this by shrinking the icons/introducing a second row. Any of those would've been really cool for subverting expectations.

>>25719376
yeah i was hoping for that too

but it never happened

>>25718627
Best team

So, /pdmg/, if main-game breeding was fully implemented in a PMD game, would you take advantage of it?

>>25719737
>Making PMD even more grindy
>Now with more chance!
No, Anon, let that stay in the main series

>>25719755
But egg moves!

>>25719764
You just want to make cannon that you fuck your partner, don't you?

>>25719766
Maybe.
>you will never fug your partner so much trying to get a 6x31 IV babby

>>25719737
can I breed my partner gayly

>>25717920
>but i think truly bad pokemon don't exist anywhere
Darkrai really proved Wigglytuff wrong, he's probably the most vile character in the entire Pokemon franchise

>>25719785
My partner and I are in the same egg group but we are male

>>25720033
Anon, we have being doing that since the homo scarfs

>>25720045
what was darkrai's deal after all? just for the lulz?

I've already forgotten

>>25720066
He feeds on nighmare's and despair.

>>25720033
anything is possible with those double dubs

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Explorers of the Sky is literally the best Pokemon to date, even better than mainline games.

>tfw my dog peed on my cartridge

I killed the fucker.

>>25720173
rip cart

i have two but you can't have one

i bought another because i didn't want to murder my first team to start again

>>25717820
Actually, GtI and Super cutscenes are easier to edit. I wonder if someone managed to replace models though.

>>25720535
the rips thread on that one site was working on replacing mc and partner but idunno about npcs, and even then i dunno about actual model swaps rather than just charcter data swaps

>>25720575
Huh, I didn't know about this. I guess I'll give it a look later

>>25720173
you think that's bad?
during a trip, an open bottle of chocolate milk was spilled, all over Pokemon Emerald
gone
or was it? the thing actually still worked
though without the battery, so no more timed events

>>25720173
>killing a loyal companion over a video game that can be replaced
It's your own damn fault for leaving the game where your dog could get to it.

>>25721244
are you implying pets can't be replaced? because they damn well can

>>25721535
Just like how game carts can also be replaced. :^)

>>25721244
>>25721535
>>25722179
You can make a backup of your save, but you can't make a backup of your dog.

Just curious, have you guys ever done themed playthroughs before? How'd they go? And how quickly did you run out of nicknames?

currently playing gates of infinity, is not that bad.

almost finishing and thinking if i should keep playing after beating it or get super mystery dungeon

which one is better?

>>25722298
After you've done the main story, there's one postgame dungeon and not a whole lot else to do outside of building up Paradise.
I say pick up Super when you grow bored of that.

Have you ever gotten bodied by an enemy you should have easily beaten?

>fight giratina in Sky
>Jirachi keeps missing with Confusion, without accuracy modifiers
>Giratina keeps using ominous wind, getting boost after boost, several per use because of my team i was leveling
>starts hitting a jirachi with 200+ stats for triple digit damage
>reset.exe

>>25722372
Closest I can think of is one time in PSMD when I dashed down a corridor right into some weak bug mon. It used Bug Bite, ate my Blast Seed, and instantly KO'd me because lol no HP growth.

>>25722372
>>25722440
Espanon's experience with bullshit
>grinding Gummis in Uproar forest
>Seedot used Bide
>Hit once, doesn't KO
>hit twice, both miss
>Seedot uses Bide to OHKO, wasting a reviver seed

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>>25722632
speaking of IQ grinding

>>25720066
he wanted to make the dark future because it's dark and bad and evil and he could rule over it because he's a dick

or something like that

it's hard to judge what exactly he'd be ruling over but considering he talks about "still being able to feel the darkness inside of him at times" when you have him as a team member in the cafe/watering hole, it may well be that he simply went insane

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>>25722789
HERE COMES THE MONEY

You know how to get buried items right? You know that you can get the Tight Belt now? It's in Far-Off Sea, real deep in hidden in the walls

>>25722817
actually you can get it outside of the walls if you're lucky enough
or if you're a cheater you can just plug in a rescue mission for it from upokecenter or the like

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>next pmd
>PC tells partner pokemon that they're a human
>pic related happens

>>25722889
Yeah, but the walls have other rare hold items like a Trap Scarf, great for partners too dumb to trap avoid

>>25722353
thanks! will do.

Always enjoyed the mainline Pokémon games, but never really looked into PMD, and kinda want to now.

Any recommendations on where to start?

>>25722995
Rescue Team or Explorers of Sky is the best place to start off if you're totally new to the series. After that, Super's probably your best bet to play next.

>>25722995
Rescue team has a few things that aren't in any other game, and has a loose story during the postgame. It's a good starting point, and if you need rescues, people here can help you

>>25722930
>Next PMD
>PC tells the partner that they're human
>Partner tells the PC that they're human as well
Directed By M Night Shamalamana

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>>25723085
>the bad guy of the game says, right as you begin the final battle, that he is a human too
>he lied to trick you

>>25723111
>It turns out that everyone you've met were previously humans
>But some mysterious entity/some other raisin causes them to forget their human memories the longer they live in the pokemon world
>You were sent here to rectify/save everyone but the main raisin why you can't remember anything about the human world is not because of amnesia but because you've been here for a while

>>25723111
>>25723085
>everyone is a human
>that's why you're here
>the gateway is pulling humans through uncontrollably and nobody knows why

>>25723153
>>25723166
>end of the game
>you find out the truth
>You're dead. Everyone in this world died in the human world and got sent here.

>>25723171
I'd be so mad

>>25722789
trying to get Mew right now, I remember a way to know if it's here, by watching for "Mew used transform"

>>25723085
The ending of Super was pretty much Shyamalan squared

>>25723171
>It's neither heaven or hell
>It's purgatory
>The big bad was sympathetic for the humans so they created this plane of existence for everyone to live in happiness
>But since no one moves on, everyone forgets who they once were overtime

>>25723202
yeah, also keep in mind it can go over water even if transformed. I got mine by fighting a golem that was chilling on water
not sure if this is true, but I read somewhere that, if you have the music box in your inventory, mew is guaranteed to appear once, but only once, on floors 36-98

>>25723238
as in once overall, not once per floor

>>25723179
>you find out this wasn't the end, your partner mentions that Arceus didn't look quite right
>You go on a massive quest to a ton of different legendaries, trying to find out where the real Arceus is
>You finally find Arceus
>The impersonator comes in just as you ask Arceus the truth and attacks you, now with several of those legendaries you fought, who were on his side
>The impersonator is the Darkrai from Explorers

>>25723238
>>25723255
and if I just have the box with me?

>>25723286
You need the box with you. Mew appears only once a run, and might not even appear the entire run. If you spawn at stairs, wait for a few turns to see if Mew uses Transform

sick of these piece of shit signs, just give my address numbers, fix your shit An Hiro

>>25723286
yeah, just have it in your inventory, do NOT use it. If you use it, it will be destroyed and you'll have to fight all the regis again to get another music box. I'm also not sure if mew transforming will actually broadcast like you said.

Speaking of regis, iirc to recruit them you need either the box or their specific part (i.e. for registeel you need the steel part or the box)

>>25723238
I've seen Mew twice in one of my many runs of Buried Relic, so I don't think that's right.

>>25723324
A message does appear when Mew transforms, no matter where it is on the floor.

>>25723324
>Speaking of regis, iirc to recruit them you need either the box or their specific part (i.e. for registeel you need the steel part or the box)
Yep, you need the music box for the regis, or the part. Chances are you'll have the box though. Also you need Ancient Relic or some friend area to get them

>>25723312
>sick of these piece of shit signs, just give my address numbers
Delete cookies and (maybe, I'm not sure) restart your Internet connection. That usually does it for me.

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95 fucking floors

>>25723860
I hope you have the Friend Bow.

If you don't get it, try again when you're level 51+. After level 30, every so many levels you get a recruitment bonus

>>25723879
>have friend bow
>fuck Mew up
>no recruit
holy shit what a fuckin disappointment

>>25723901
Mew has a 0.9% recruit rate. At level 45 you have a +7.5% chance to recruit. With the Friend Bow you have an extra 10% chance. You only had an 18.4% chance to recruit it.

>yfw the Golden Mask looks a little like a Yamask Mask

>>25723950
I've always wanted to write something based on that. The concept of Yamask in PMD in general is a really good one.

>>25723860
Doesn't Mew also spawn out of Buried Relic? I remember it does.

>>25723964
>Yamask really is a dead person sent to the pokemon world, only they're the only ones with memories of their life

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>>25723901
>>25723930
let's do this again, shall we?

>>25724062
Reminder that if you recruit a regi, DON'T use the Escape orb in the room you fought them in.

>>25723860
>she doesn't complete Buried Relic in its entirety for fun
>she doesn't regularly complete *-ranked escort missions there

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>>25724062
Oh, and about the girls only time I said before
can't, this bitch ass dude doesn't seem to want use to be alone
one day
soon

>>25724100
>he doesn't scour each one of the 99 floors for every possible buried item
>he doesn't leave with +20 max HP every time

>>25724118
be careful anon. although Buried Relic seems to lack the tornado that kicks you out after too long on one floor (I've made entire floors into one single large room), random pokes can fuck you up.
-t. someone who was 1-shotted by dewgong's sheer cold and had no reviver seeds with a Tight Belt in tow too ;_;

>>25724152
Dewgong isn't in Buried Relic, and why didn't you ask for a rescue?

>>25724203
it was probably in Silver Trench then, my b
and because it was before these generals were a thing

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Get Bodied!

>>25724874
>The slut has found new prey
>The god of creation

>>25724913
God damn it anon, I'm a pimp
but yes, it's still my prey

>>25724933
also, how good is Morning sun?
moves right now
Tail whip->Tackle
Attract
Psybeam

>>25724933
Yes yes, you are a pimp
Yes, of course. A pimp has to unwind once in a while, yes
Of course

>>25724990
It's basically Recover. Once your HP is high enough though, there's not much point.

Eventually you'll want tto replace Tail Whip with Wide Slash

>>25718344
>want to start a 2nd run of Super, this time with quiz mon
>quiz gives me Turtwig three times in a row

>>25725192
Oh silly Anon
Espanon sluts only to dragon dicks
everyone else is just a slave to her pimping business
maybe even her partner as well

>>25725240
>Dragon dicks

Might need to learn Fly for that again

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>>25724874
another one bites the dust
>>25725285
well I do have the two Eon pokemon... those are dragons
except one doesn't have a dick
I'll still fuck her

>>25725301
steam rolling through these guys

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>>25725445
whoops

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>>25725491
oh yeah, they got me a present too

>>25725491
>>25725511
>And Espanon's quest to fuck every dick in the pokemon world continues!
>But can she handle taking three at once!
>Find out next episode!

>>25725519
why do you do this?

>>25725542
For the glory of Satan of course

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I always liked the three golems, too bad they're shit in competitive to be useful

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>>25726736
I hate these guys
I hate these guys so much

>>25726793
Well if you ever wanted to use one, now you can.

>>25723085
>Wake up as a human
>You fight with baseball bats and other unconventional weapons, like a normal JRPG

>>25726819
I can in my main games too, but they're shit, but I love them anyways

Holy fucking shit Nuzleaf.

What idiot at Chunsoft thought the Aegis Cave Unown Stone gimmick was a good idea?

>>25727138
Probably the same guy who put Parasect in Purity Forest and Bellossom in Sacred Ruins.

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>>25727151

>>25727151
>parasect in purity forest
god, don't remind me of this

>you will never realize the last thing you saw before getting pummeled to hell was a giant mushroom spewing out spores

Thinking about making a team in Explorers of Sky that is just the water starters up to Gen 4.

How fucked will I be throughout the game?

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>>25726793
down boy, good dog

>>25727243
Mudkip is terrible

>>25727243
Mudkip, without TMs or being able to evolve, is absolutely terrible.

>>25727279
>>25727288
Which would be better then, a team of fire starters or a team of grass starters?

>>25727310
Every Fire starter gets flamethrower. Every Grass starter gets Bullet Seed

>>25726793
Regirock was a perfectly usable in gen 5, when permasandstorm was still a thing

>>25726825
>Something in the pokemon world is trying to bring an human over there
>It fails
>It keeps trying
>It keeps failing
>It keeps trying and failing multiple times
>Meanwhile in the human world people are waking up as pokemons

Is it best to start with Super Mystery Dungeon, or will I ruin experiencing older games because it's so new? What would you guys recommend for my first Mystery Dungeon game?

>>25727785
Blue if you really want to do the series as a whole.
Sky if you just want to experience the best plot.
Gates leave it for the end in every case.
Super is probably best at the very very end beacuse of all the easter eggs.

>>25727785
Play Blue Rescue Team, then Explorers of Sky, then Super.

Then, if you want, Adventure Squad and Gates to Infinity.
Adventure Squad is basically EoS without story, nice graphics, whatever. It's also only in Japanese. But the gameplay is good.
Gates to Infinity is basically a prototype of Super with a different plot that tries to do some of the gameplay stuff a little different to make it less lacking.

Started playing SMD and I was wondering. Are the connection orb encounters/missions randomized? Because I got a lvl 50 Salamence to fight here and I am pretty early lvl (10 to 20)

>>25727866
Preset.

>>25727866
No it's a fight made to prepare you to use items. Essentially, bring wands, blast seeds, moves like screech or growl and use alliance attacks. This game forces you to rely on items throughout it. It's probably the hardest connection orb mission you'll get for quite a while though.

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>Mudkip has 0 swap items so far
>check Croagunk's shop, maybe he has one
>see pic related

you gotta be fucking kidding me

>>25728411
It's some pretty damn useful extra regen, as well

>>25728503
inb4 Delcatty's item

Is there any sense in playing explorers of time?

>>25728600
No. Time/Darkness are inferior versions when you can play Sky. It'd be like playing Pearl when you can play Platinum

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What the fuck is this? The baby that just hatched had an item? It was a Bonsly, by the way. All the item does is boost Bonsly's HP.

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>>25728690
I finally fucking got something.

>>25726736
it's a shame you never get to fight these guys fair and square

I would have raped them to death

but they always just kill you in cutscene space and you can't do shit

>>25727977
Finished it up. Seems like an OP ally to have.

>>25726825
>it's just mother 4

>>25728734
>HURR MUH GAS COMBO

Can't we just show up with fucking cotton stuffed in our noses or something? Can't Skitty just spam Blizzard the second they show up?

my preferred order to play the games is chronologically

that way the references and cameos just stack up

except gates, i don't remember if there were any cameos in that one

but super has cameos for all games, so you can have those "oh god everyone's here" feels

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>>25728759
>gas combo

>>25728814
Not today hitler, i'm trying to go on an expedition

>>25728814
fuck

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>this stacks with the Marsh Mud

Finally things are sorta looking up.

>>25729236
>Even with two items that up sp attack, Skitty has 57 sp attack unboosted, 1 more than Mudkip
>and is higher in everything else

>>25727250
So, fucking Raikou is just as annoying to catch as in the main game

>>25729243
Whenever I hear about people's woes regarding their player/partner choices, I wonder if I just got lucky going for Riolu/Vulpix from the get-go. I mean, Riolu does have some minor struggles because... well, it's Riolu, but I've never had any major problems with stats or moves or anything with that team.

Is it me or is Super Mystery Dungeon just... Bad

I have only played Explorers before and I remember how hard I had to work to get stuff...

But I beat Super in most of a day since Story stuff was almost always the day after and I could instantly just get Level 50 followers so early in the game?

>Just used two Blast seeds on Salamance for one quest to defeat it
>It's now my friend
>It's level 50
>Gives me easy quests for my Level 50's when I am only level 14

>>25729497
Play further into the game.
You'll learn that's not the case.

>>25729497
Go ahead and use that Salamence on the final boss, then. Or on a legendary fight, that will surely work.

>>25729509
>>25729516

Like I said, I beat the main story. I know it isn't a walk in the park since there were parts where I just used my items well and beat it with myself (Fennekin) at level 24 and Piplup at level 26.

It's just why do I bother using other pokemon when I can get a level 50 to help me in the area? I know some later dungeons kick my ass instantly since I am low level, But what is the point of using anything but the 15 high levels with me?

And why does the story go by so fast? Every other day was story progression...

>>25723965
Spawn outside of the dungeon? Like in other dungeons besides Buried Relic?

It's set to only spawn in that dungeon. Are you probably thinking of Explorers where legendary mons such as Darkrai can appear in more than one dungeon?

>>25728690
Wtf this is new to me

Did you recruit it to get the item?

>>25719284
Speaking of jirachi fights, I'm still pissy that you automatically lose the bidoof fight even after you win in bidoofs mission.

>>25729599
same

i totally wrecked team rogue or whoever

well maybe not TOTALLY since i lost all of my reviver seeds

but i came prepared and won anyway

>>25729589
I said yes, but it was hatched and i just got that item.

>>25729561
They realized that the main game was shit and the postgame had the only decent content, so they wanted to rush you through the main game, but unfortunately rushing you through the main game makes it even shittier and discourages many people from continuing.

In all seriousness, though, the game just feels like they didn't have enough time to do everything they were trying for. The main game suffers the most from it.

>>25729766
maybe it is a bit rushed

it seemed like they didn't allow enough effort to be put into gates and super to polish them up

i bet the pokemon tteam just thinks of pmd as a way to pad out between main series, which i guess they are, but they're their own thing that people love, and I wish they'd allow more effort to be put into them

>>25729965
A long time ago, someone once described Gates as a game where they worked with the time limits they were given, while Super feels like they were fighting against the time limits they were given, and I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment. Super's always felt unfinished to me, like they had ideas and had implemented them partway, but then just kind of threw up their arms and shipped it out as is. It's not really unfinished in the broken glitchy sense, more in the flawed design, poor changes, weird omissions sense.

It's a shame, since I feel like the ideas they had were good ones, but since Super's been so divisive, who knows what they're planning to do for the next game. I definitely agree that it feels like the PMD titles are being used more as generational padding rather than a proper side-series, which really sucks.

>>25730005
here's hoping the next one is like the EOS for super and gates, or, i dunno what's another franchise where the sequel perfected the game?

maybe like tony hawks pro skater 2?

>>25730026
Yoshi's Island? I've always likened the series to Yoshi, where they blew their load early and they've consistently tried to get the magic back but with mixed success.

I mean, I'm an Explorers nut and I won't lie about that, but even I want to see the series really get back on track. Gates was divisive and flawed, Super was divisive and flawed... heck, even Etrian Mystery Dungeon was pretty clunky and kind of bad. It feels like Chunsoft doesn't know what they want to do with Mystery Dungeon in general, so they're floundering about and trying to try new gimmicks or whatnot when really, just some solid dungeon-crawling would be just fine.

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>>25730043
In a way it feels like they were probably rushed by GF because they wanted to reveal Sun and Moon, and didn't want people thinking about a non mainline game when they did it. If the game was delayed a few months, it would have come out around the same time as that announcement. I'd count Pokken, but that was already out in Japan and the Wiiu version is just a port.

None of the PMD games are necessarily bad, but they're pretty divisive. Every game has its flaws, for sure, but ever since Sky it's like they just never got a proper go. Adventure Squad was a Wiiware game that flopped in japan, looked bad, and was split into 3. Gates was more or less rushed out just to have a pokemon game on the 3DS, and it's starting to look like Super was put out just a couple months too early. If it got those few months, it might have been better paced, and rescues wouldn't be subject to region lock fuckery.

They're not going to stop here, I doubt it. Isn't PMD one of their bestsellers? They're probably contracted by GF to make one for every gen, anyways.

>>25728617
Pearl and explorers of time are the only games I have. My DS will break any day so there is no sense to buy new games. My computer cant run platinum emulators

Wat do?

>>25730522
I suppose you might need to buy a new ds soon

but im not suggesting to, since they're a bit expensive if you don't have a job

maybe invest in a better computer eventually?

Best place to farm Reviver Seeds in SMD?

I'm running low after making a series of bad decisions.

>>25730600
are you able to buy them with gold bars from cofag

>>25730603
I can, but at the moment I'm not getting gold bars at a high enough rate to comfortably sustain my Reviver Seed addiction.

I have 47 bars atm, but I don't want to burn through too many.

>>25730626
it's 5 seeds per gold bar, how many could you possibly need

this addiction might have gotten farther along than we thought

>>25730626
47!? I think you get 5 Revivers from him for just one fucking bar. DO IT!

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SMD is the first MD game I've beaten. I bought the gba one quite a long time ago and enjoyed it, but never finished it, although I'm playing through it now and enjoying it, for what it is. But uh, how do you guys get over SMD's post-game depression? I can't believe that nearly a week later it's still eating at me.

>entire credits sequence is you crying with the most bittersweet music ever
>your character says how their life has no meaning without their partner (something along those lines)
>The sheer desire and determination felt when going through the Sand Dune of Spirits and Mystery Jungle (dat fucking music!)
>the horrible feeling when you find mew and he acts as a replacement
a few missions later
>WAIT OH SHIET THERE HE IS, IT'S YOUR PARTNER! Glory be!
>"Looks like we meet again anon, thanks guys!"
>thats it
>that's fucking it
>After everything that happens, not a single tear is shed at what should be a glorious and emotional reunion
>All that's left is "its a great day for expeditions!" everyday

Seriously, fuck that reunion. I'd be perfectly okay with leaving the rest to imagination if the reunion was just handled properly. The game makes it too well known that your in-game character is just destroyed (I know I was) by what's happened for this to be acceptable. And now that the partner's back, it's just a constant reminder of how the game developers toyed with your emotions. Fucking lively town's cheery ass music playing like everything's hunky dory
Game is still a 10/10 for me with that incredible ost and since it's definitely going to stick with me for a long time, even if it's just going to sting every time I listen to music from the game. Or just think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvMxPnehBY
ouch

>>25730641
yeah they do the tearful goodbyes very well but they still haven't gotten a good grasp on tearful reunions yet

TDS was better but still not perfect, it was kinda just like "oh, well time magic, you're back now" but the scenes about the partner after you fuck off into the light were really good and sad

>>25729497
I haven't got too far in, but I'm already not liking it. The characters are boring and it's pretty much School Simulator 2015 so far.

Well, I don't know exactly how to gauge how much I liked a game anymore. The plot was pretty good, but I've never been that big of a fan of dungeon crawling and the game has you gripping for your life so much that there's no way I can play through the game again. I only got through the postgame with help from a friend who probably saved me from weeks or perhaps more than a month of bumbling around just getting strong enough to START it. Time/Darkness was far more reasonable in this regard, but it's not a game I go back to too often, if I'll ever feel like going back to it again.

That's what has me stymied, though, is that I no longer feel like replaying a game that much anymore, no matter what it is. It's resulted in a ton of games, that just like this, I've only played once and then never again. Did I enjoy them? Maybe when I had something to do in them, yes, so I think that still means I think it's a good game. Then again, there are still a few games that I like to replay, but that's only after having not done so in a long time. Even that has become less often by now.

So did I enjoy this game when I was playing to see it's end? Again, the story was good, but I was far too stressed out by how intense the game itself is. I'll probably still say it's a good game, but it will eat you for lunch.

>>25730666
Yeah, this game is probably trying to be all of the other MDs in one. It's random adventures like the first one with perhaps small glimpses at the plot you'll be facing. When the real part of the game kicks in, you're halfway through the game already, but then plot time commences and it plays like a real MD game finally. That is one thing I will agree with on the plot, it wasn't well written and I swear this is the longest tutorial I've ever seen, and yet it treats it as a normal part of the game. My one regret from this part is once you are able to go on missions, if you do them now, you won't be able to get points for them later. Yeah, remember how I said halfway through, it finally plays like an MD game? That's what I meant, you don't get points for missions until midway through the game. I'd still do a few of them to get help for sticky situations, but try to conserve them for when you REALLY need the points.

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>>25730764
That's disappointing. Maybe I should just play Sky instead lol.

>>25728787
This is the only actual reference to RT in Explorers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_7bgBj8tBI

>>25729563
>Like in other dungeons besides Buried Relic?
Yep. I'm pretty sure it does if you have the required item, and no I'm not confusing with Explorers.
I think.

>>25730641
>Mew as the replacement
Probably either looking too deeply or misreading it entirely, but it came across as a bit creepy and unhealthy to me getting very friendly with someone just because they remind you of a dead friend. That and the player character flat out willing to risk Dark Matter returning over it (it was a hoax, but he didn't know that at the time) Really gave me the impression that the writers really loved the partner a bit too much for their own good

>>25728600
You can play as Munchlax and spam Metronome

>>25730641
>Carracosta mistaking Mew for the partner
I was not ready for that gut punch there. He should have been in the final scene, he has more of a reason to be upset than the player

How do I get a ORAS rom on my android?

>>25731641
Sell your Android and buy a 3DS and ORAS.

>>25728600
There's no point when TD don't have this beautiful theme playing in the Marowak Dojo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MncYabAguSY

So what if the Nuzleaf from SMD was from RRT/BRT's Team Shifty?

>>25732316
It's set in the future, I believe, so no.

>>25732365
>implying nuzleaf can't just break away from Team Shifty

I'm just trying to keep the general alive

>>25732399
tfw nobody wants to get rescued

>>25732316
it fucked me up when victory fire suggested that team charm should be made up of the medicham from team meanies and the gardevoir that gengar abandoned

and also that the ekans from team meanies went on to become the arbok from team AWD

that sort of continuity would just be great

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;_;

>>25732891
yeah I'd probably kill myself

it'd be super easy, considering i'd be up in the fucking sky already

>>25732562
Continuity like that'd make me cream my pants.

>>25732891
>>25732985
b-but that's not what you'd want for them

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fucking hated this guy in Soul silver, jesus

>>25733125
yeah i want my partner to be happy

i wouldnt know if i could promise them id be back from not existing though

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>>25732891

>>25730111
That's... Huh, that's a damn good point, actually. Weren't XY announced even just before Gates was released stateside? I feel like treating it as the capstone to each gen kind of puts them a little too high up the priority ladder, honestly. Not that I want to see Reds and Blues and multiple versions coming back, I like having them consolidated, but it does feel less like a side-series and more like an... obligation? Does that make any sense?

It's definitely Chun's best selling MD, as far as I can tell, so they're not going to stop. I just have to wonder what they're going to do...

>>25733412
I don't think that's actually a problem though, Super is as it was meant to be. The forced progression is intended.

>seven whole pages of oran berries
Hoarding is hell.

>>25734010
Oh, Sky's storage system.
I don't know why they changed it, but I'm glad they changed it back.

>>25734042
I guess it was an okay attempt at forcing players to actually think about how to manage their storage, but it just felt awkward, especially after RRT/BRT's infinite storage.
At the very least, if it was possible, they should've given you infinite storage upon reaching Guildmaster Rank.

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>>25734074
these are fun but i havent slept and im so tired

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>>25732891
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT ENDS LIKE THAT? YOU CANT END IT ON MY PARTNER CRYING ON THE BEACH. I SHOULD BE/AM THE ONE WHO IS CRYING.

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>>25734208
;_____________;

>>25734142
Don't know about you, but I never came close to reaching the storage limit until well into the post-game, by which point it was a bother.

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>>25734208
>Wh-what's the matter?
>B-Bidoof!

>>25734285
I've come close several times, especially in the early part of the story, but I never actually reached it.

I guess I *could* just erase a page or two of Oran berries at the Recycle Shop, it's not like they're hard to get again.

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>>25734265
>tfw beat the guild graduation in 3 turns
>the only one that survived the first turn of charge + discharge was wigglytuff

>>25734478
wiggles 2 stronk

>>25723085
> not M. Night Salamence

>>25734285
>400+ hours on a savefile
>constantly pushing the max limit
>i can't use any of the best Prism Ticket Big Win items
>i've already got a bunch of iq boosters
>i've already got a bunch of legit miracle chests
>my mains are unkillably OP
>but yet i still keep playing

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Jesus fucking Christ

>>25734796
Yeah, anon.
He gets better.

>>25734796
that nigga's fuckin dead

kinda

>>25734866
Ups my spoilers didn't work

>next PMD
>you go around telling everyone you're a human
>you're not

Kinda somewhat related, anyone else feel like the twists in Super were kinda meh? They were either obvious (Nuzleaf being evil) or just completely out of nowhere (your partner is Mew, I think? Except they also sort of aren't, since they appear alongside Mew in the postgame?)

>>25734142
I've never really come close to reaching the storage limit either, to be honest. Even now that I'm nearing 200 hours, I'm still only at about 80 of 100 items or so. During the maingame, I had way, way less.

>>25734880
>the memory of being a human is a false one, brought about by getting sent halfway across the world by falling into a Hoopa ring or something
>later on you go to a different continent and some pokemon recognizes you, but you don't remember ever seeing them

>>25734815
>>25734840
After playing Super then Sky, is it bad to say I'm so far enjoying the -story- of Gates far more than the other two?

>>25718742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBl3NqVnWbo
this

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>>25734908
The human you think you are is real, but they're not you.

>>25734925
the story is better

it's less saccharine and just more interesting in general

>>25734931
>the reason your partner is so close to you is they're really the human you think you were, and think you are one turned pokemon too

>>25734925
Storywise Gates were very good - sadly the game was too short, and plot felt kinda rushed at times. If they showed more of the world, and gave the game some xtra lenght it could make up for having only 5 starters.
Also Pokemon Crossing postgame was quite enjoyable, i liked it more than SMD's one.

>>25734936
First half of the story actually had some weight to it, which is more than I can say for Super and Explorers. Also helped by having a better cast of side characters, and I liked how they downplayed the partner a bit since the partner in Explorers and especially Super got a bit annoying and too in-my-face for my liking.

>>25734948
>Showed more of the world
Seems to be a problem. If the idea of the world being full of miserable dicks was a theme, then they should have shown more of it. They did a bit, but they should have went further if it was to have more impact. There's little nagging flaws here and there, but none of them really broke the story unlike Super's pacing for example. Not finished it yet though, so maybe it shits the bed at the end ala Super.

Never thought I'd ever say this about a pokemon game, but thanks to the improved story but weaker gameplay, I'm actually playing a pokemon game more for the story than the gameplay itself.

>>25734931
>Top 10 swordsmen in anime
I like the moment where he alpha strikes the void shadows out of nowhere and saved you and the rest of the group

>>25734993
>I'm actually playing a pokemon game more for the story than the gameplay itself
I can't help but chuckle a little about how this was the reputation of PMD as a whole, some-odd years back. And nowadays it's the other way around, with fans who've been playing PMD since the beginning enjoying the gameplay a lot and also enjoying the story, and everything. Nowadays I think Gates is the only game where "ignore the gameplay, play for the story" is really applicable.

>>25734895
There isn't really much to hoard beyond a respectable amount of Oran berries, Reviver Seeds, Max Elixirs, and Escape Orbs, honestly. Food's pretty much optional once you snag a Tight Belt, too.

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>evolve player and starter
>completely lose interest all of a sudden

help

>>25735152
>he evolved his starters

you fucked up

Time to do zero isle and destiny tower anon! You're not truly done until you've done all the 7 treasure missions and climbed Destiny Tower

>>25735134
Feels like a bizarro world pokemon game. I can't say it's a particularly good game overall, but I'm glad I decided to play it.

>>25735152
Explorers hit this problem for me too. The IQ system was its downfall in a strange way since it just encouraged me to only play as the player and partner since I already got some IQ on them. I could IQ grind another pokemon, but that just took way too long, and as a result, it felt extremely repetitive, so I stopped playing about two hours after the Darkrai event was done. Might go back and try Destiny Tower once I complete Gates.

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Rate the level 1/5 dungeons

>1: Sky
With several of them, varying in length and difficulty, and the items inside them, these are the best of the bunch. Tight Belt's a little too rare though, and the reward on 99f of ZIS could be better.

>2: RT
Wishing in Wish Cave is the highlight of the three dungeons. Joyous tower has too many exclusive pokemon too deep in, and both the tower and Purity Forest have overleveled pokemon. Damage scaling with level means that any pokemon who isn't named Kecleon will do horrible without warp spam.

>3: SMD
pic related

>4: GTI
The very limited selection of pokemon combined with things just plain taking forever make these the worst. Not to mention all weather prevents HP recovery, even if you're a water type in rain.

>>25735152
>>25735170
>>25735183
I'm kind of in the opposite boat, personally. Sometimes it's actually weirdly awkward being one of the anons who made it a goal to evolve the partner and I. After that, my goal was pretty much do random missions and collect species-specific items and find random treasures and stuff along the way. I never really have gotten to any restriction dungeons, since I guess they just don't interest me.

The IQ system's definitely the flaw for Explorers, but it's always felt minor enough to be a small flaw, in my case anyway. I've never had any interest in playing as or training other recruits, except maybe Darkrai (and Shaymin), so once I'd gotten max IQ for the partner and I, I was... well, happy, lol. That's part of what killed Super for me, encouraging you to play as other Pokemon that I didn't really care about, day after day after day. Especially after getting rid of the little personalization parts, too. Why were nicknames removed again?

>>25735281
IQ could have stood to increase faster. Even with Wonder Gummis it takes a long time.

As for the nicknames, someone said it's because they aren't random recruits. It still leaves you wishing you could change them, though.

>>25735170
Eevee's only real shtick is Adaptability, and Riolu's movepool is vastly improved upon evolving to Lucario. There's always the alternative of recruiting an identical starter/partner for evolving purposes, but the investment required is a little much (such as raising IQ to a usable level).

>>25735183
>>25735281
I just wish every pokemon could use every IQ skill

>>25735390
I don't like to evolve my mons because outside a few exceptions, i like the unevolved form more. That and all the unique animations for your starters just get instaditched the second you evolve

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>>25735388
Yeah, that's the primary issue for me, is that it just takes an agonizingly high amount of gummis to work it out. The IQ EXP curve's one of the things I think Rescue did unquestionably better than Explorers.

>>25735527
RT upped IQ faster all around. same type gummis granted +7, and they applied the IQ boost effect twice for dual typed pokemon.

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>>25733149
Raikou fucking took like 7 tries, this fucker gives up immediately

>>25735518
Yeah, that's the disappointing part. Even with the increased power and versatility, it's... not really the same, honestly. I definitely didn't have a problem with evolving recruits, though.

>>25735556
There's a lot of things RT did better than TDS, but the lack of portraits for every Pokemon and the lack of a gen 4 phys/spec split is a dealbreaker for me.

>>25735592
Generally it feels like a letdown being forced to evolve in the main games because i know i wont like the full evo as much most of the time. That's one reason i like pmd, because that rule doesn't apply here.

>>25735573
So, I heard that getting Lugia trigger Deoxys yes? and Getting Ho-oh trigger Mewtwo

>>25735624
Yes. Fun fact: I remember fighting all the way to the bottom of Silver Trench to recruit Lugia, only to have it not join my team.

99.9% recruitment chance, and that 0.1% shat on me.

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>>25735573
w-what?

>>25735737
wheres your vaporeon now :^)

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>>25735753
right here

>>25735737
Ah yes, this. I'm glad they don't do this anymore.

Why is the recruitment and job system so bad?

Everything else is top notch but this is killing me

>>25735787
The job system wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't limited to 8 slots.

>>25735764
besides, all I need it for is to just get into the dungeon, no one said you had to keep it
although I probably would if it was high enough level and could withstand the area
or if it was a real Vaporeon, again around the same level as me
although I could go right now and get Eevees....

>>25735670
But if you're above level 30, it should be a guaranteed join. The only way it would not join is if you had more than 2 Size rating in your team altogether. So you cannot fight Lugia with 3 pokemon.

>>25735737
Wait that's a thing? I never knew, my main was water type anyways.

You can just send it back on floor 1 anyways

>>25735830
It's been a long time, so I don't remember all the details. Probably was a partner pokemon that finished it off.

>>25735848
Another note, you can't recruit Jirachi if it KO's itself with Double Edge.

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h-holy shit, what?

>>25735927
You'll be fine
Everything is fine

super fucking long post incoming

>>25735233
I've got Gates, but I've yet to do its level 5 dungeons, so I can't say anything about it.

>Rescue Team
The most fulfilling to do. Wish Cave had Jirachi and wishes, Purity Forest has Celebi, and Joyous Tower has its exclusives.
You could count the number of Pokémon which are even usable in the latter two on one hand, which is no good.
Don't really like how they pile on the level 25-30 Pokémon at the end. Really sets you up to lose right on the final stretch.
While it's cool for Joyous Tower to have exclusives, it's got too many. How about we swap out one of those ocean dungeons which all have the same fucking Pokémon for a place to put some starters?

>Explorers
There are quite a few of them, and they tried to make them each a little different, which is nice.
They put rewards at the end AND behind locked doors. You can get different ones each time, so it adds a sort of replayability to them.
Level scaling with floor feels a lot better than in RT.
Many more viable Pokémon than Rescue Team, too. Pokémon that learn lots of moves at level 1 learn some of them at 2 and 3, which means no rerolling for moves, unlike in Super.

>Super
A lot more Pokémon feel useful in these than before, which is great.
I also like how they tended towards shorter, more difficult level 5 dungeons.
The dungeons feel dangerous, but at times they can just be kind of bullshit. Take one step, Alomamola used Hydro Pump kind of bullshit.
Absolutely nothing at the end of any of them, though. Not even something useless like the Space Globe. The Meowth Theatre's got five of different length, but I can't be assed to do them because they've all got no reward and no new rules and restrictions. Also, a 99-floor level 5 dungeon in Super is "just kill me"-tier.

Overall, I say Explorers > Super > Rescue Team.

>>25735924
But can you still get a wish from it? I never made it past the 20th floor

OK, does Energy Saver and Stamina band stack?
also, here's some music for my journey through the trench https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VGuWDQBXrU

>>25735990
>Someone else listens to Metroid soundtracks while playing MD
It fits so much

>>25735955
Yes, you get a wish from it, because the requirements are "Have a Wish Stone" and "Don't recruit Jirachi" It gave me an Unown that time.

You want to try again, look at my guide in the OP

>>25735990
Should do. I did some experimenting with hunger a while ago and everything seemed to stack.

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ok so, I REALLY want to spam this move right now, I wish I could, really do
now, if I was a Swampert in this situation, everyone would be fucking dead

>>25736240
Don't worry, Espanon, they're just tentacles
What's the worse that could happen?

>>25736273
PMD is NOT for lewd

>>25736273
they could stun lock me, keep using leer until all the 1 damage turns into 15, and then use other moves to SLOW me down
although through it all..... I only lost one reviver seed

>>25736310
>you will never curl up with your partner and read spooky stories to them

>>25736375
>You and your partner unable to sleep afterwards
>Partner asking if they can sleep with you (In a non lewd way, you sick fuck) because they feel safer with you near by
>You both end up falling asleep in each others arms

>>25736526
not you again
i'm not ready to feel things today

>>25736526
but anon, that's the best kind of cuddling

>you will never wake up and watch your partner sleep soundly
>you will never smile softly and slowly roll out of bed
>you will never put on a scary mask and stare at them, waiting for them to wake up
>you will never see the slow realization exponentially accelerate to horror when your partner wakes up
>you will never have to treat your injuries inflicted by your surprised partner while they glare at you for the rest of the day

>>25736605
Well, you're in luck this time. For that's all I have

>>25736627
Halloween DLC confirmed

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Let's fucking go

>>25736819
ok, just...... it's too easy, and I barely used Attract

>>25736919
Maybe Lugia didn't want to fight
Maybe they just wanted tea

>>25736919
>barely

Attract is a gamebreaker you know

>>25736922
well, I mean I had to go there because there were disasters going on

>>25736932
Yeah but maybe if you talked to Lugia

>>25736745
>you will never introduce your partner to the basics of halloween
>you will never convince [insert town here] to take part in these festivities
>you will never joyfully give out berries and health drinks to the young 'uns
>you will never be completely thrown off guard by the groudon you recruited dressed up as a sunflora
>you will never faint out of sheer bewilderment when it asks for a joy seed

>>25736934
>"You went through 99 floors of this hell hole, I'm going to kill you for that!"
I may be paraphrasing, but that's roughly what he said

>>25736935
>Halloween in SMD
>Lively town's all decorated
>Bringing all the kids from Serene village to partake in the festivities
>Going door to door trick or treating
>Costume competitions
>People from the other contients coming to have fun
>Ending the day with you and your partner watching the fireworks with the Expedition society on Jirachi's lookout
>Completely not hearing your partners confession due to the fireworks

>>25736935
So what exactly does the PC remember about being human? Just that part, and forgot literally everything else?

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also, now this is happening
this fits perfectly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Shs7AwmBs

>>25736952
Maybe Lugia was under some stress

>>25737002
A Pokémon can only handle so many years alone at the bottom of a 99-floor dungeon.

>>25737016
Exactly. Lugia did nothing wrong

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>>25736998
oh god, I can hear the metroid cries already

>>25736991
For the sake of theoreticals, sure.

>>25736989
>Halloween in EoS
>Treasure Town is stuffed with even more treasure, if possible
>shaymin village inhabitants pay a visit and join in on the festivities
>wigglytuff steals all the candy chatot was planning to hand out
>marowak dojo temporarily turned into a haunted house-esque area for fun
>spinda's cafe packed with pokemon wanting to liquify their booty
>team skull obliterated by team charm in the middle of attempted thievery on the player's partner

>>25737065
Are you ready for nightmares?
Too bad, it's time for Metroid nightmares

>>25737079
>implying team charm can actually do anything

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IT BEGINS

>>25736998
>>25737065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pug7eKPcRb4

>>25737106
>implying they can't
Just look at Special Episode 4.

>>25737297
>Lopunny has the worst ability this side of Truant
>Medicham kills herself by missing
>Gardevoir is the only one that doesn't suicide/have klutz

>>25737367
still something
slightly
they got to master rank with that setup somehow

>>25737398
Knowing them they probably just run a ton of low level missions. It'd be like taking missions at Mt. Horn at level 50

>>25737414
That's... a fair point.

>you will never track team charm during one of their missions
>you will never stare in horror as they travel to drenched bluff
>you will never have your ideals completely shattered by the realization that team charm has been loading up on easy jobs
>you will never be discovered and... bribed to keep silent about this

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This is gonna be fun, fighting ghosts with a partner that always hits Normal and a lead that only can use Water Gun most of the time. Thank fuck Jellicent doesn't exist yet.

>>25737398
They did it by tricking other explorers into triggering traps for them and then running away with the treasure
RIP Golem

>>25737472
>Team ACT is a pitiful Gold Rank
>has to constantly explore in a neverending sandstorm
>only way to protect is to be forced to use Weather Bands
>but 2 of the 3 members are great in level 1 dungeons

>Team Charm is bad all around, one of the party members loves to spam Healing Wish to kill herself, and can't level 1 for shit

>>25737502
Is Team AWD any good at level 1 dungeons?

if so, explains why they got trounced by zero isle so quickly

>>25737502
>Team ACT can never do rescue missions unless they are sure the one in need of rescue can endure the sandstorm
>Tyranitar cries himself to sleep wishing he were born with the hidden ability, Unnerve

>>25737542
>implying they wouldn't take it as a challenge
Find the client before Tyranitar kills them!

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Can we all take a minute to agree on how pic related's floor layout is fucking cancer? Especially when there's a bunch of Drifblim just blowing up on your ass.

>>25737539
Drapion can make it all the way in ZIS. They're just uncoordinated when together.

>>25737539
I think Drapion may be passable due to acupressure, even then it needs level 17 in Explorers or level 13 in PSMD

Either way they had a bad encounter with Team Razor Wind, if you get my drift

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>>25737574
From my guide:

Good starting moves and stats, and better levelups than most to boot. Learns the great Pin Missile at level 5, which is inaccurate, but very powerful, especially due to being ranged and multihit. Excellent typing gives it only one weakness. Scope Lens is a good fit for this mon, due to Sniper making crits insanely strong, and speaking of crits, Drapion will never get crit due to Battle Armor. One of the better choices.

scarves were used

>>25737454
>He didn't purchase Ice Beam from Kecleon ASAP
>He didn't purchase Blizzard from Kecleon at some ill determined time in the near future
>He's never encountered a rock type move that Mudkip could learn

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Fuck yeah another shitty move i can't use!

>>25737625
Literally the only tm i've seen Kecleon stock this entire game was Reflect. Everything else was an Orb

>>25737625
>in the near future
Well, maybe he's going to do that when he comes back, which would mean you're wrong.

>>25737595
Guess bulbapedo is wrong again, it lists it Lv12 according to the PtHGSS movepool
Also at Lv9 in the ORAS movepool

>>25737641
>not using take down for the extra ~1 point of damage

>>25737664
Same BP as Tackle, but less accurate and with recoil.

Mudkip gets Gap Prober next IQ skill, if i can get a Water Pulse TM we'll be all good

>>25737625
>just in Gen 6 they gave Mudkip a rock move by level up
>even then Rock Throw sucks

Every fucking TM in the dungeon has been either shock wave or fucking Recycle. Give me a Water Pulse TM, for the love of fuck

>>25737673
I know senpai that was a joke

>>25737673
>>25737673
>Same BP
It has like triple the BP?

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As my movepool cries out for help, Skitty's gets something with the same power as Tackle, 5 less PP, but it never misses. Plus it's a STAB attack.

>>25737718
Not in MD, base power means fuckall

What's a good moveset for Lucario? Currently have a mixed set (Aura Sphere, ExtremeSpeed, Dark Pulse, and Metal Claw), but the PP amount could be better.

Aura Sphere definitely fits the bill for both 100% accuracy and a line move.
ExtremeSpeed's nice for some range without using Aura Sphere.
Dark Pulse is pretty useful for crowd control (was using Wide Slash before).
Metal Claw's decent for STAB, and... that's pretty much it.

>>25737718
Not in Mystery Dungeon; both have 4 stars for power, but Take Down has less PP and accuracy.

>>25737744
You could replace Metal Claw with Flash Cannon
Focus Palm is still good, Drain Punch if you need to have it healed at all times

>>25737744
Hmm. Usually I go for Dig, mostly for the turn of invincibility that you get. It's probably not actually that helpful, though, and I only learned it because it seemed fitting for Grovyle and the protagonist to share a move.

Is this Super or the older games, then? Part of me almost wants to say Bulldoze, though I'm not sure how well that slows enemies down, or if it does at all.

>>25737732
>STAB
Skitty gets Normalize?

>>25737732
In SMD it literally has triple the base power. Does that seriously count for nothing?

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This music is giving me Zero Isle South flashbacks.

>>25737785
Skitty gets Normalize. Great when fighting anything that isn't a ghost, but a bitch when it is.

SMD actually has base power, that's the difference. Hyper Beam/Hydro Pump are great there, but horrible here.

>>25737732
Normalize is pretty much the entire gimmick of Skitty and Delcatty.
Faint Attack becomes normal and get STAB
Blizzard becomes normal and gets STAB
Wide Slash becomes normal and gets STAB
The standard attack becomes normal and gets STAB
Thrown spikes become normal and get STAB

>>25737817
I wonder how these mons will do in ZIS. I'll test eventually.

>>25737763
Hm, interesting. Flash Cannon has the same power as Aura Sphere, just with one more PP but at the cost of imperfect accuracy.
Metal Claw also has more PP and accuracy than Force Palm, but Force Palm does have that sexy paralyzation chance. Drain Punch is pretty much the same as Force Palm, but 8 PP is... kinda horrifying.

>>25737771
Dig's accuracy and power is pretty beautiful to look at, so it's probably not out of the question.

Playing Explorers of Sky with an Espeon main character, by the way.

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>>25737744
Well, for me, I roll Aura Sphere, Dual Chop, Reversal, and Power-Up Punch

Aura Sphere because 100% accuracy
Dual Chop because multihits and it's a Doragon move so although it doesn't hit as much as Bone Rush, I can use it on Pokemon that are immune to Ground unlike Bone Rush)
Plus, Multi-hit moves are great
Power-Up Punch because it does good damage plus increases Attack, which is not only good but helps with:
Reversal, which is basically your highest hitting move. Less health you have, more damage it does. Add that to spamming Power-Up which boosts your Attack, and a good Looplet that increases the damage of moves or your Attack, and Reversal hits like a truck going 88mph
Perfect with a Toughness emera, since it makes you immune to OHKO's (Leaves you with 1HP) and that helps with Reversal a lot

I'm not 100% on Power-Up Punch since I've switched that around a lot with other moves(mainly Close Combat), but it's good to have for the buff
But this is what I roll at least. I've had no issue with it

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>>25737848
Hm. Well, funnily enough your stated moveset is pretty much the same as mine, except I have Dig instead of Dark Pulse. My partner knows Dark Pulse instead, which is why I skipped over it.

I've considered Shadow Claw instead of Metal Claw, though, just in case of Ghost types. Aura Sphere and ExtremeSpeed are solid choices, though.

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>>25737891
In EotS try to get the Riolu exclusive item ASAP, then you can drop moves you use just to hit Ghosts.
Also get Focus Punch and bait things into moving in front of you

>Riolu MC in my last EotS run
>get Focus Punch TM very early on in the Cafe
>roll with it the entire game, destroy Darkrai with it.

>>25737972
Hum. I'll need to hunt for that, then. I just read about how ZIC's chests contain exclusive items for the Pokemon you bring in, so maybe I could do it that way somehow? But that's probably kind of risky, even for me.

>>25738044
You could also pass the day with the Training Dojo until it shows up at Croagunk's shop

>>25738044
>tfw got like 4 Wooper Bows from running ZIC and those other dungeons with the Grudge traps
>it's useless, preventing hail damage but still forcing the pause where you'd take damage

Quagsire's item is where it's at anyways, makes Grass heal

>>25737891
Dark Pulse mostly covers the Ghost weakness while also providing pseudo-crowd control if you're surrounded somehow, while Shadow Claw only hits one enemy. Same PP though, and Shadow Claw does have more accuracy and power iirc. Just curious, who's your partner?

>you will never ask your partner whether Dark Pulse or Shadow Claw would be more useful
>you will never have them hug you and say you're perfect anyways
>you will never hear them say that Dark Pulse is probably more versatile overall