Genwunners will defend this.

>take basic geometric shape.
>hang a few random doo-dads with clashing colours on it

You have a new Pokemon.

>>25696651
Honestly, if Garchomp's belly was only red or only yellow, I'd probably like it a lot more.

>>25696651
The left one describes modern com mons and starters.

The right one describes mega evolution and legends.

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>>25696651

>>25696651
Every gen has good and bad designs

Slurpuff is qt but not so much as his prevo

OP is a faggot

/thread

>>25696703
it'll never be muh gen 1

>>25696705
fucking what

none of that means anything

>>25696724
>Slurpuff is qt but not so much as his prevo
Slurpuff was a huge improvement.

>boohoo people have different opinions to me

Stop browsing the internet if you're a soft cunt who can't handle people thinking differently.

>>25696738

Did you actually read it?

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>>25696741
Nigga
this this is brilliant

>>25696666
>I've never drawn a single thing in my entire life

>>25696705
>>25696705
explain this logic on Cubone, Magmar the assface, Persian/meowth, Marriel, snubbull and tysploison

>>25696758
yes, but it's entirely subjective

especially that comment about Watchog

>>25696705
Yeah that's a good point. Gen 1 pokemon designs were very much "form follows function."

>>25696738
It means that modern pokemon's personalities are a reflection on their appearance, rather than the other way around.

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>>25696762

Yeah we know drawings START with geometric shapes you fucknut. But you're supposed to make those shapes more detailed, not just fill them in with colors and call it a day.

>>25696802
>It means that modern pokemon's personalities are a reflection on their appearance, rather than the other way around.

If they reflect eachother then they would still be the same and you could say that one came from the other or switch it as you please

Garchomp is an ugly design, there's no doubt about it

>>25696759
Nope. Hated it ever since it got leaked.

>>25696705
What's the reflective jacket Pokemon?

>>25696762
If you don't think old Pokemon take on more natural less geometric shapes then new ones you are literally retarded.

But then I know you are just an autist splitting hairs because you have no legitimate argument

>>25696838
>If they reflect eachother then they would still be the same
Found the non-artist.

>>25696945
watchog

>>25696969
the point that you can derive one from the other fits

>>25696971 for example
You can say they went "lets make a pokemon that looks out for danger, so lets make it look like he's got a reflective jacket" rather than what the other guy argued

The argument is poor for the "gen 1-3 pikamans were special"

>>25696820
Depends on what you're doing. Cartooning's all about exaggerating geometric shapes as far as you can and it's best done with more basic shapes. The key difference between these is that vulpix is way more cartoony realism, which combines cartoony values and understanding of realistic values like anatomy.

It's really all down to preference. I prefer the cartoony realism because it grounds the pokemon world more making feel more feasible but cartooniness exaggerates the more fantastical elements of the franchise.

>>25696651
Protip: there is more than one person who dislikes modern designs, at least two people! Those different people dislike modern pokemon for different reasons. It's funny how that works.

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>>25696705
>>25696820
>>25696867
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have

>>25696669
Yeah, the yellow looks out of place. Maybe get rid of the set of spikes on the upper arms too.

>>25696945
Do you even Pokemon

>not realizing a team of individuals design Pokemon nowadays
>not realizing that while some fit the "basic" Pokemon aesthetic, some don't but get okayed anyway because children today may like the designs

>>25697339
Yeah we fucking get it: those designs re ass. It doesn't need to consistently be brought up in every thread like this.

You think those designs are awful...well guess what? Somebody out there likes them. Everyone is entitled to like or dislike whatever they wish, and if someone's dislikes happen to be certain Pomemon designs, let it be.

>>25697339
Do you check every thread thread looks like a genwar thread and post this?

How's the NEET life?

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How can genwunners be real if ditto is real?

>>25696651
Literally no one claim what's on the left though

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>>25696703
Orboth describe the particular examples given and more

Here are some common and baseless complaints from all generations

"Overdesigned" common mons:
Nidoking "muh extra spikes"
Lucario "muh extra spikes"
Druddigon "muh extra spikes"
Rhyperior "lol ruined my bro"
Magearna "this intricate automaton should be made of no more than two basic shapes"
Exploud "muh extra blowholes"


"Underdesigned" common mons:
Igglybuff "it's a base stage Digimon"
Muk "just a pile of goo"
Ditto "just a pile of goo"
Voltorb "literally my mom's pokeball"
Joltik "it's just a fluffy bug xD"
Lillipup "literally my mom's dog"
Goomy "just a pile of goo"

"Overdesigned" Legendaries:
Dialga "Wow le edges xDD"
Xerneas "muh extra colors"
Mega Ray "ITS A SPECTROBE GUUZE"
Regigigas "Omg why is it green and gold -1"
Keldeo-resolute "lawl simplified ponyta amirite"

"Underdesigned" Legendaries:
Moltres "rubba chicken¡!"
Zapdos "so spikes. Such wow"
Articuno "is just a blue bird"
Ho-oh "rubba chicken parte dos: the weak-to-electric Gyarados¡!"
Regirock "it's just a pile of rocks"
Manaphy "is just a blue blob"
Keldeo-ordinary "lawl simplified ponyta amirite"

Bonus:
Simple Megas "they're Underdesigned, don't fit the concept, lazy"

Complex Megas "muh spikes, don't fit the concept, lazy"

Golem ">"

Both sides of the argument are redundant and completely subjective. Case fucking closed.

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>>25696820
>/vp/-anon thinks that they understand Pokemon design and what can constitute as a Pokemon.
It's okay, hon. You at least try, even if it IS the bare minimum of effort in understanding. Maybe someday you'll learn just what a pokemon honestly can be, or even have an understanding about design and creativity as a whole.

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>>25696651
Good details vs either round shapes or overdesigned

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>>25696705
>this person has never seen patterns on a real animal

>>25698314
Anon do you even play Pokemon anymore?

>>25697837
>Nidoking "muh extra spikes"
>Magearna "this intricate automaton should be made of no more than two basic shapes"
>Exploud "muh extra blowholes"
>Igglybuff "it's a base stage Digimon"
>Joltik "it's just a fluffy bug xD"
>Goomy "just a pile of goo"
>Xerneas "muh extra colors"
>Regigigas "Omg why is it green and gold -1"
>Zapdos "so spikes. Such wow"
>Articuno "is just a blue bird"
>Ho-oh "rubba chicken parte dos: the weak-to-electric Gyarados¡!"
>Regirock "it's just a pile of rocks"
>Simple Megas "they're Underdesigned, don't fit the concept, lazy"

I've never even heard any of these in all my years of Genwar threads.
The rest are all true, but not necessarily nitpicking.

>>25698338
Not the actual games, no, I stopped at B2W2. Everything after that seemed to suck. I mostly play matches on Showdown and write porn.

OH WOW!
OP figured out genwunners are all trolls, or nostalgagogglistic
What a breakthrough!
I'm glad we could have yet another thread about the topic, which brought forth newfound discussion

>>25696705
>Including Gen III in with I and II
fuckin hoennbabies

>>25698314
quit convincing me that new Pokemon are shit!
You're doing too good of a job!

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>>25697837
Bravo, anon

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>>25698314
>>25698314
>>25698314
>>25698314
>>25698314
Here (You) go

>>25696651
fuck these threads, where are all the fake leaks

>anti-genwunners don't have the brain capacity to comprehend that they're too simple AND too complex but in different ways

Their basic anatomy is too simple but they're complex in that they have too many needless accessories or colors.

Both arguments are stupid and baseless, designs are completely subjective and always will be.

>>25698369
I've heard Xerneas and Regigigas harked on for the antlers and bushes, but no one ever touches the early gens for over designing

>>25698409
What a great post, thanks for contributing

>>25698314
The images critcises the overly big head on Minccino and yet it puts charmander in there as an example for a good design. Yeah no.

Genwunners are really a thing I see.

>>25698476
These comparisons don't work because they're using gen 2 Pokemon and some of the comparisons don't even make sense. Tyrantrum doesn't have needless spikes but Tyranitar does? And of course Psyduck doesn't have plummage and Zubat doesn't have fur. That's how they were designed. It's not the same as comparing Pokemon WITH fur but drawn way simpler and too cleanly.

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>>25698314
>>25698476
>STILL shitting on pokemon designs
Fine, get a bigger load of it

>>25698476
dragonite and
>dicklett
got me

>only 60 new pokemon in XY
>not a single one was remotely good

I shudder to think of what they left on the cutting room floor

>>25698533
>Tyrantrum doesn't have needless spikes but Tyranitar does?
not him but yeah, the forehead spikes are like a crown on TYRANTum
>of course Psyduck doesn't have plummage and Zubat doesn't have fur. That's how they were designed.
>That's how they were designed.
And pokemon with simple and clean fur were designed that way.

>>25698601
>not a single one was remotely good.

I thought they were pretty great for the most part.

>>25698498

fuck off.

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>>25697389
this guy

>>25698476
I disagree with a lot of those, but I do thank you for at least trying and not just dismissing the other image altogether.

>>25698527
Have you even looked at their bodies? One can reasonably hold his head up, the other really can't.

>>25698537
Who's shitting on Pokemon designs? There's valid complaints across all generations and having standards doesn't mean you're a genwunner. Most of my favorite designs come from the newer gens, particularly the fifth, but I do think in general they've lost some of the art direction the old ones had.
Also, spoiler that shit, it's triggering me. How can anyone consider that the Pokemon-killer?

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>>25696669
>>25697354
The colors clash. Making those parts white makes Garchomp look awesome.

>>25698533
>Tyrantrum doesn't have needless spikes but Tyranitar does?
yes because Tyrantrum's spikes are a smart reference to Dinosaurs having feathers and also a play on its "Tyrant' or king reference

>>25698533
>And of course Psyduck doesn't have plummage and Zubat doesn't have fur. That's how they were designed
>that's how they were designed
well fuck you too, that's how gen 5 mons were designed. You're so fucking transparent with your fucking bias

>>25698667
>I disagree with a lot of those, but I do thank you for at least trying
I don't even want to hate gen 1 because I grew up with it. But the staggering excuses people will come up with just to shit on the newer gens really infuriate me so much

>>25698720
Looks more like a great white shark.
...I like it.

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>>25698533
>That's how they were designed
Genwunners are allowed to use this excuse but newgenners can't

>>25698615
The spikes on the tail are randumb by the logic of that image.

I can't respond to the rest of your post because I don't read spoiler tags.

>>25698736
>yes because Tyrantrum's spikes are a smart reference to Dinosaurs having feathers and also a play on its "Tyrant' or king reference
See above.

>well fuck you too, that's how gen 5 mons were designed. You're so fucking transparent with your fucking bias
No, they were designed to be simpler DESPITE having fur and feathers. The comparison with the gen 1 Pokemon doesn't work because they don't have fur and feathers to begin with you retard.

>>25698768
see above

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>>25698811
you fucking wish

>>25696705
I would agree with the sentiment, that GF lost their focus for a while, but I would argue that Gen 3 was half 'n half, already transitioning away from the focused design.

I would also argue that Gen 6 started transitioning back toward GF's original focus. Gen 6 does have misses like Sylveon, Slurpuff, Aromatisse and Florges (coincidentally all Fairy types), but it also has great, focused designs like Gourgeist, Noivern, Carbink, Tyrantrum, Heliolisk, Aegislash, etc.

>>25698811
No your opinion is immediately invalidated by the fact you think you can use "they are designed that way" to defend gen 1 because that reason can literally be used for anything just like you were designed to be a massive faggot and there's nothing we can do about it

>>25698891
That's not what he was saying though, you faggot. Learn to read.

>>25698871
The Fairy Type was rushed as all fuck. You can tell little thought was given to everything about it, from designs to movesets to Type advantages.

The other designs you mentioned are all great- The only one I disagree with it Aegislash, but I seem to be one of the few people who genuinely likes Honedge and Doublade.

>>25698905
He directed all three responses to his original post to a concern about tyrantrum's tail spike. Well guess what, it was supposed to be designed that way

>>25698476
The black marks on tyranitar are actually holes in the shell. Just thought I would point that out.

>>25698871
what the fuck does "focus" mean?

If you mean that they were going for a specific design, Slurpuff is a dessert, I don't see how that isn't "focused"

>>25698433
>including gen 1 with gen 2
"genwunner" literally comes from "gen one-er"

fuckin johtoddlers

>>25698314
The paw design always gets me. How do you go from fairly detailed and realistic paws of Vulpix and Eevee to literal 1 line of Zorua and Fennekin?

>>25698476
The feathers on both Ducklett and Tyrantrum aren't detailed at all. Actually it's really hard to tell what Tyrantrums collar is even supposed to be due to lack of detail and extremely generic shape.

The argument against Dragonite is basically you being butthurt it's not a massive edgelord like most dragons from generations 3 and beyond.

And way to completely miss what Meowth is supposed to be.

>>25698943
I actually agree that Aegislash is the worst-designed of the three. I even like Flabebe and Floette's designs, but Florges and Aegislash just kind of seem like out-of-left-field progressions. Which, admittedly, is nothing new for Pokemon.

>>25698314
a lot of this can probably be attributed to Sugimori's art style changing

why are genwars banned but this shit is allowed?

>>25699116
What dragons are edgelords in Gen 3? Altaria, Flygon, Salamence, Rayquaza. None of them seem very edgy to me other than maybe Rayquaza

>>25699116
The original genwunner photo had so many "body part x is detailed" when it's just a few lines more than the newer pokemon

And if you're allowed to say "way to miss the point of meowth", then way to miss the point of newer gen

>>25699116
What he said. I actually thought Tyrantrum had fur. It's the first time I'm hearing people calling that feathers.
The whole image has a problem with calling detailed things that aren't, complaining about valid details and not understanding obvious design choices (like Meowth and Digglet. You want to complain, at least pick Dugtrio!).

>>25699186
That's the point. It used to be better. You can check this thread for more: >>25686820

>>25699212
Altaria shouldn't even be a dragon. Yes, I get what it's based on, but they removed the only aspect of the original creature that made it a dragon. Altaria should have been a pure-Flying Paradise Bird Pokemon.
Flygon is cool, but should be Bug Type.
Salamence needed a redesign. It's too fat and those wings make no sense. It's still my favorite dragon though.
Rayquaza became an edgelord when it got a Mega.

>>25699245
>a few lines more
That's what details are. Also, what drawings are in general.
And you're still missing the point of Meowth.

>>25699025
I admit I used the word focus as a catch-all for whatever I wanted to imply. My definition of a hit or miss is also pretty subjective. For instance, Slurpuff admittedly is a focused idea, but I just generally dislike Pokemon based on food.

Actually, on second thought, I just dislike the final evolutions of them. I really like Vanillite, Vanillish, Swirlix and Spritzee, but I hate the direction their evolutions went. Vanilluxe shouldn't have become two heads, Aromatisse is too poofy, and Slurpuff should have continued the cotton candy motif instead of a plump milkshake/ice cream/whatever it is.

>>25699116
>Actually it's really hard to tell what Tyrantrums collar is even supposed to be
it's feathers
dinosaurs had feathers, anon
>The argument against x is basically you being butthurt
this whole thread
>And way to completely miss what Meowth is supposed to be.
Oh yeah Meowth's design is thoughtful and should not be forgotten but Tyrantum is just muh generic shape dinosaur with spikes

>>25699272
>it used to be better
That's up to personal taste, anon. I like all the art pretty equally.

He's definitely gotten better at drawing if you've seen comparisons between the R/S and ORAS trainers.

>>25697339
is this seriously only one person that says this exact same shit whenever there's a thread like this?

>>25699272
>Altaria shouldn't even be a dragon.
no jokes are allowed in pokemon this is a serious franchise for serious people

>>25699272
>That's what details are
Then pointing out the extra few curvy lines to indicate plummage is legit against psyducks's perfectly smooth design, you fag

I swear with how big of a deal the intricacies of Pokemon designs have become over the years, leading to these arguments and debates, you'd think that Pokemon fans were all art philosophers and aspiring drawers.

How come other franchises rarely have such heated debates over something like this? Why do we even make a big deal over something like the shape of a Pokemon's foot?

>>25699398
Because genwunners do. They always do

>>25698720
actually, this is pretty good
now give him regular claws, and remove the star on head and is gonna be perfect

>>25699398
people feel very strongly about stupid shit from their childhood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzwHs9PhJwY

>>25696651
genwunner here
>slurpuff is kinda good
>garchomp is overdesigned
also
>many details =/= overdesigned
and before someone asks, I hate a few designs of gen I, but of course, I hate much more from the newest generations

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>>25696738
It means older pokemon were designed to convey an idea, rather than just look cool or cute.

Compare Gyarados and Druddigon, for example.

The basic idea behind gyarados is that it's a pitifully weak fish that overcame all odds to become a terrifying earth-shaking beast of legends.

The basic behind druddigon is... it's a dragon. Raawr.

That's cherrypicking though. Later gens also have plenty of pokemon with unique ideas behind them, such as the prophetic gothitelle.

>>25698537
Fuck you pal

>>25698314
Why does no-one ever point out that the modern gen art is more consistent with ingame portrayal by far, and thus looks a bit more digital-friendly (3d models, etc.)
That wasn't a problem before because you literally just needed to make blobs up until gen 3 or so, which was also reduced considerably.

As someone who technically could be considered a Genwunner (view all 151 with heavy nostalgia), I fucking adore Gen 6. Even despite the version exclusive fairies which I mostly dislike, I view pretty much all of them overwhelmingly positively. I've even come to love Chesnaught and Delphox, which at launch I initially hated mostly because I only looked at their 3D render from the front, zoomed out, etc.

>>25699338
>one guy
There's another on /v/ who I swear uses the same system as barneyfag poster

>>25699682
The point of >>25697402 is to show no one cares about bringing up other points than the ones discussed to death a million times

>>25696666
ITT: Satan shares his secrets

>>25696705
This is fucking bullshit though, you seen pokemon that are both concept and design based in all generations. Look at fucking Gen 5.

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>>25699558
Druddigon is based on this.

>>25696820
Zorua was a pathetic attempt at a Pokemon design
Gen 5 was a disgrace

>>25700067
>literally the best gen
>a disgrace

kek

>>25700161
>literally the best gen
lol

>>25700054
and a gargoyle, dont forget

bretty gud design in my opinion.

>>25696651
The guy on the left is overdesigned compared to similar mons like Clefairy or Jigglypuff.
I'm not even kidding.

>>25698476
>Skrelp
>eye's aren't cartoony

Top. Fucking. Kek.

>>25697339
Cupistol is great. Name a better one other than Casanuva

>>25700067
>Gen 5 was a disgrace

epic :^)

>>25697339
Yaaaas. Always looking forward to this

>>25700419
Your shitposting doesn't make it untrue

>>25697339
>>25698537
>>25700425

(You)

>>25697012
>>25699041
>muh realism
Pokémon was always cartoony.

>>25699558
Gothitelle is an example of a Pokémon made to look like something rather than reflect an idea - it's the Gothic Lolita Pokémon.

>>25697339
>>25698537
Get the fuck outta here bruh

>>25699558
>the idea behind Gyarados
It's from a legend about a karp becoming a dragon. It and Druddigon are both based on myths. Just stop.

>>25700778
Nice autism.

>>25701014
Him proving your dumb opinion wrong doesn't make him autistic.

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>These Pokemon were originally intended to be in the main games but got cut due to hardware contraints.

This kills the genwunner.

>>25696651

>all this underage butthurt

Gen 1 has the best pokes, Gen 2 almost as good.

BW introduced THE ABSOLUTE WORST Pokemon by far.

XY restored quality.

>>25696651

modern gen pokemon have NO FINGERS

>>25697506

I would destroy that kid in a fight

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It sucks being the only person who likes Slurpuff and Swirlix

>>25701104
>Blissey

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>>25700438

sure, m8. next time, don't try so hard to hate something. people may actually take you seriously.

>>25701104
>Chansey
>Jigglypuff
>Voltorb
>Electrode

>>25701080
Look at all that amazing proof you're posting.

>>25701123
Swirlix is amazing, it deserved a better evo. Slurpuff looks like retarded shit.

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>>25701085

Get some new material, please.

It's kind of embarrassing how /vp/ can't handle any criticism towards the newer gens

>>25701080
It still really fucks me up that remoraid evolves into octillery

>>25701191
>that lugia sprite

i need that fucking sprite is a 10/10 reaction pic potential

>>25701274
Like how genwunners can't handle any criticism toward the older gens?

Note that since they haven't played the newer games, they only try to criticize the designs.

>>25701085
>BW introduced THE ABSOLUTE WORST Pokemon by far.
I wouldn't say that, but as far as sheer amount of terrible ones, BW did introduce the most.

>>25701123
Slurpuff is my bro. I'm going to make one my starter when I play through ORAS.

>>25701274
No one criticises the new gens just gen V for being awful

And all the poorfags who don't own a 3DS and only emulate pokemon games leap in to defend it since it's the best they have

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>>25698314
You realize that times have changed, yes? Take a gander at all that moeshit infesting your local anime website, or get a load of the heart, over in Japan's Akihabara. Fact is, they're going cuter so they can appeal more to Japan. You think they give a shit about what people over in the states want? Nah. Sure, they'll include your regular supplement of badassmons like Pangoro, but even then, the cutemons far outweigh them.

Cuteness sells in Japan, this is proven with Kirby. You know, when porting the Kirby games over here in the west, they always change the box art to him looking pissed as hell, but over in good ol' Nippon? He's a cute lil motherfucker ready to unleash a path of adorable destruction.

Bottom line, you wanna sell in Japan then you gotta get cute. You could argue using something like Evangelion, considering it's not very cute yet it still sells, but that is an anime with a beginning and an end. As far as we know, Pokemon is not ending anytime soon. It needs to take measures to sell itself.

TL;DR: MOESHIT SELLS AND GF HAS TAKEN NOTICE OF THIS

>>25701085
actually, you're right

>>25701085
I've heard your post hundreds of times.

please come up with proof, then i'll give a shit about your opinion.

>>25701274

It's even more embarrassing that this so-called criticism can be sumed up as "hurr durr everything new sucks".

>>25701080
What type would Skarm or Scizor even be??

At least the Dark types can get away with their secondary types

>>25701449

Simply epic

>>25696651
Why is it bad for me to like gen 1?

>>25701490
You're completely right, but so what? Are you saying people can't complain about it just cause it's popular? Every chan I've ever been in shits on moe, this is nothing new. Stuff being made for bigger audiences and profit doesn't tend to be good, on the contrary.

>>25701675
Normal/Flying and Bug/Flying, I assume.

>>25701675
>what type would Magnemite be in Gen I?
That's how you sound.

>>25699998
>6666
that ain't satan, that's super satan

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>>25701274

Nigga, this whole board is an embarrassment.

>Hating on Gen V designs
>Hating on Volcarona
Nah, fuck you

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>>25701692
No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying people who whine about designs ceasing to be 1996-esque need to get with the times. Game Freak doesn't care about them, it's the sad truth ;_;

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This right here is the ultimate example of what's wrong with newer Pokemon

Why does it have the big ring structure on its back? Literally just remove that useless piece of overdrawn garbage and you have a perfectly decent Pokemon that could probably fit into Gen3 in terms of appearance/color scheme.

>>25698476
>zubat legs are literally lines
i laughed anon

>>25701191
how is that raticate real, it looks too good!

>>25701080
>implying Genwunners doens't like Gen 2
the ones that only played gen 1 doesn't even post on /vp/

>>25702139
LHC anon

>>25702139
It's a turbine/reactor thingy

It generates energy through hydrodynamics

>>25701191
and where did we get those sprites from

>>25702291
It's on the Internet

>>25696772
>cubone

What if there were a Pokemon that uses the bones of its mother as armor and weapons? - function, not visual design

>magmar

It's just a Karura Pokemon. Karura were mythical bird-like creatures that breathed fire in buddhist myth. Hence the duck bill, feather-like frills on its arms, etc

>Meowth line

Again, just based on a real-world thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneki-neko

>Marriel

I assume you meant Marril. In that case it's "what if there were a water-type Pokemon that used its tail to float".

>Snubbul

It's just based on a lapdog, a frilly dog meant for shows and stuff like that. Which is why it has a fancier design.

>Typhlosion

It actually has a very simplistic design. If you're talking about its flames, they probably function like the collar of a frilled lizard - to scare predators and display power, and to attract mates.

>>25698325
Stripes and other animal patterns do serve a purpose though, either camouflage, intimidation, or attraction

>>25698537

Isn't Youkai Watch Japanese for "Nickelodeon Rejects?"

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>>25702139
>>25701085
>shitting on pokemon designs
>in 2016
This is a toughie, how about a load of this?

>>25705543
There's a difference between "bad design" and "not pokemon style"