Why is Gen 3 the most polarizing generation?

>>25685964
>polarizing
elaborate

It took a big step away from how gens 1 and 2 felt.

>>25685964

It's the first game where genwunners became a thing. For all the games after gen 3, genwunners reused all their same arguments so it's more difficult to actually care because everyone already formed their opinions on whether Pokemon gets better with every game or worse with every game.

>>25685977

Polarizing means you either love it or hate it, with no middle ground.

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>>25685964
Because its Pokemon designs were 50% good 50% shit.

>>25685995
Well, if they became a thing after gen 3 and not gen 2, there's obviously a reason.

>>25685964
You misspelled Gen 5. There's a reason why Gen 6 has been nostalgia-heavy.

>>25685964
Nostalgiafags.

Most kids who were into gen1 and 2 were in middle school when gen 3 came out, and playing Pokemon was "uncool".

So they stopped playing at this point, and see it as the bad games that turned them off the franchise.

I'm pretty sure Gen IV is.

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>>25685995
>It's the first game where genwunners became a thing.

It's the first game that started to have digimon tier designs
I blame Masuda

>>25686013
this. the ones you play when a kid are your favorite. then once you grow out/are pressured out that one's your least favorite. then you either like games after that or you don't.

>>25686010
Most genwunners count Johto as gen 1 because of the original 190.

Because it's the bridge between pokemon's stylistic design changes.

>water color art style gone
>all recurring characters gone
>very few old mons
>start of "monster of the week" stories

Doesn't help that it came just after the series downward slope of popularity among normies. The fad passed, pokemon was still "popular" but it was no longer a phenomenon. funny enough the anime got that squeaky clean re imaging as a result of said popularity

They're not really that bad. It's just they have the unfortunate position of arriving at a bad time for pokemon, and bringing a lot of unexpected changes, which is a garunteed way to fracture a fan base, regardless of if those changes are good, bad, or "Whatever"

>>25685964
Gen 3 was the beginning of the move towards the obviously kiddie geared games we have today. Also, I think a lot of people are still bitter about not being able to transfer their old mons.

>>25686029
>It's the first game that started to have digimon tier designs
thats not gen 5

>>25686011

Gen 5 didn't become polarizing until the Hoennbabies got old enough to post on the internet.

Before then, it was Gen 3.

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Every time a Hoenn game is released, there is anger.

>>25686000
unnoticed trips why is this board so shit?

>>25686029
Dunno what you're trying to say with the pic, but in case you're retarded; game designer =/= creature design. You probably know this, or you should have known this.

>>25686081
>best difficulty curve in the series
>beginning to move towards the kiddie geared games of today
uh okay..? question mark

>>25686090
Dunno for you, but when first saw Blaziken as a kid I couldnt help but think of a digimon

>>25686010
Gen 2 was much more clearly an expansion to Gen 1. It introduced a much smaller amount of Pokemon (many of which were designs not included in Gen 1), featured essentially the same mechanics with the only big shifts being the welcome fixes to obvious problems and the introduction of two new types (which were also clearly part of addressing the problems with the previous games). You still fought Team Rocket and you could go to Kanto.

But RSE introduced an entirely new region mostly disconnected from the previous games, far more Pokemon, had more dramatic mechanical shifts (natures and abilities), new antagonists. This did a lot more to "isolate" people who played RBY then GSC did.

>>25686011
Gen 5 was also incredibly nostalgia heavy. In a way, Gen 6 is the GSC to Gen 5's RBY.

>>25686028
Not really; it really only moderately increased the difference between the first two generations and the newest ones.

>>25686090
>>25686011
>>25686093
Gen V is polarizing on /vp/ only
Outside of here, everyone agrees its garbage

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>>25686029
>>25686090
>digimon

seriously guys it's 2016

>>25686171
>Outside of here, everyone agrees its garbage

[citation needed].

>>25685964
Because it was different from the first 2 gens so genwunners hated it.

Also, it came out when kids were starting to "grow out" of pokemon which is why most Facebook normies see it as the gen that killed pokemon

>>25686093
am hoennbabyy

Gen 5 is best gen

>>25686175
John Oliver pls, go back to /pol/

>>25686063

Its impossible to have the "original 190". There was exactly 151 in the beginning you fucking twat.
Fuck off for even bringing those fags up

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>>25686006

>People actually care more about what the monsters look like than the actual gameplay

>>25686203

>Look! I proved nothing!

>>25686146
Kiddie doesn't even have to refer to difficulty. Gen 3 wasn't mind numbingly easy like what we've had recently. It's more about the over the top, ridiculous villains and friendly rival among other things.

Call this inconsequential but gen 3 changed the trainer battle intro from 'wants to battle' to 'would like to battle'. More polite and cheery which was a noticeable change from the previous two gens.

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>>25686203
Unovabortions on suicide watch

>>25686203
People not naming it their favorite does not mean they think its garbage.

>>25686209

You'd be surprised how important aesthetics are in grabbing someone's attention in the first place.

I never would have given pokemon a try if I hadn't seen the official artwork in Nintendo power back in the day.

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>>25686171
At least Gen 5 was a complete gen

>>25686156
>Gen 5 was also incredibly nostalgia heavy.
How? You weren't even able to use old Pokémon in B/W until you beat the game.

>>25685964
People still pissed that they had to completely restart from scratch and lose all their old pokémon

>>25686237
It's called demographics and I'm pretty sure Game Freak tried to appeal to more. In fact, they're still trying to appeal to more and more, not always kids.

Don't you mean B/W? It scared off all the genwunners because you couldn't find Pikachu in Unova.

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>>25686171
>Outside of here, everyone thinks it's garbage
All the people who write fic and draw fanart, in both the English and Japanese fandoms, love gen V for having actual, developed characters. Do people really not realize this?

>>25686262
Because the games was designed to remind you of the first ones but still be a new experience.

That's why Gen 5's dex is filled with Pokemon with the same themes as Gen 1.

>>25686171
Outside of here, generally only genwunners and nostalgiafags are the only to think it's bad. or it could just be that people on Facebook are retarded, which I wouldn't really be surprised with

>>25686301
>but still be a new experience.
Which it succeeded in. Which is more than i can say for certain games which force a pidgey as a first encounter

>>25686268

That was a big part of it for me yeah.

Also, I don't know why, but I just assumed we could go back to Johto and fight the gym leaders again, just like we went back to kanto in gen 2. I was heart broken when I found out that what we saw was what we got.

>>25686297
Its one guy spamming every thread with his hate. Have no idea why he hates V so much, its pretty ridiculous. Its just a generation of Pokemon.

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>>25685964
Because Hoenn is shit, half of the new Pokemon were fucking awful and Pokemania was over.

>>25685964
first new game after the initial Poke-mania so it was a pretty big deal

also most people who played the first games as kids were a bit older now and had nostalgia to deal with.

>>25686408
It's like, either bait or just a "spot the" game.

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>>25686371
It's my favourite gen, and I know people have some valid criticisms of it. But I don't really understand when people say that Gen V is hated outside of /vp/, since this isn't the first time it's been said. Has anon never bothered with the parts of the Pokemon fandom that actually creates content? It's not even an observation that's anywhere near right, it's just factually wrong

>>25686433
>typical Hoennshitter can't accept that Gen 3 brought a ton of absolute shit into the series
>usual "b-bait!" response
dude nice

It's a good thing Gen 4 put them back on track or the series would have died a horrible death tbhfam.

>>25686467
Too bad Gen 5 went way off the rails again

Real answer: people are scared of change.
Johto never got shit because it was Kanto 2.0. Sinnoh got less shit than Hoenn because it was just cold Hoenn and people were now used to Hoenn.

>>25686458
Eh, you see normalfags throwing ice cream and garbage around on Youtube and social medias all the time. I don't see them as more than nostalgiafags, because when I go pile of sludge and a pile of eggs they always go into this "oh my god stop using those examples AGAIN" mode. They don't realize they're doing it themselves, with even less "valid" examples than what can be thrown at gen 1.

>>25686458
I've never seen anyone who has played through it actually hating it, it does a very good job selling itself if you play until the end.

I remember being skeptical of it (because I hated D/P and quit for a while after those came out) but after I beat it I was super excited to buy BW2 and continue the story
>>25686467
>on the rails
D/P shit the bed so hard the had to re-work the entire game after for platinum.

also if you think Hoenn designs were bad Sinnoh's new pokemon were far worse combined with the fact that they were completely overshadowed by older pokemon.

Genwunners loved it because they could catch all Kanto pokemon asap and just play through like that

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>>25686467
Okay, if it's not bait then I've spotted the genwunner, nostalgiafag, whatever. Does that suit you better, anon?

>>25686532
>I've never seen anyone who has played through it actually hating it
I played through White and White 2, and hated both.
I'll link to my response from one of the other twenty threads up right now:
>>25679065

>>25686483
>1 was first
>2 was safe
>3 went off the rails
>4 was safe
>5 went off the rails
>6 was safe, even with megas

None of the "big" gens are safe, because they're trying to be new. Only 1 was because it was first.

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>>25686532
>Sinnoh's new pokemon were far worse
top jej

>>25686552
My first gen was Gen 2 and my favorite is 4 or 5, least favorite being 3 with 1 not far behind, nice try though (^:

>>25686209
I care more about the designs of the Pokémon than I do the gameplay. Always have.

>>25686620
There's a reason I said "nostalgiafag, whatever" because you can't be sure. Whatever, I enjoy my mechanically superior favorite, it's a shame you can't because of seemingly bias.

>>25686652
>mechanically superior
Both Gen 2 and 4 did more things for gameplay than 3, lad

>>25686652
>superior favorite
blaming it on the alchohol but what kind of shit writing did I just put out

>>25686663
Sure gen 4 did, but not gen 2 sorry.
>>25686594
This makes sense when you look at other franchises even. Look at the sales of Mario games during the DS/Wii era, the 2D ones were fucking bags of cash.

>>25685964
After two generations of with 151-251 beloved characters and locales (and some continuity, however thin), we were suddenly dealt a game that had virtually neither. It felt very foreign. It's the same reason why kids who grew up on Saved By The Bell didn't like Saved By The Bell: The New Class.

The shitposting about Gen 5 is eerily similar to the Gen 3 shitposting a few years back...

>Couldn't transfer from Gen 2
>First Region with no connection to Kanto
>All your old favorites were in the Gamecube Games
>Mafia Crime Syndicate replaced with goofy retarded world destruction plot
>Anime became filler central, and lost the original VA/Writing staff to rub salt in the wound. Much of the original viewerbase dropped it because of this
>The regions Pokémon variety and displacement was all over the place, making the single-player too structured
>Music was a strong change many disliked
>Ditto for the atmosphere of the games, and even the style of Pokémon
>Completing the PokéDex was completely unreasonable because no Wi-Fi and so many Fr/Lg/Camecube exclusive Pokémon
>Ruby and Sapphire in particular, had such little content, it hurt players who came from Gen 2.
>Region itself is polarizing. Unless you grew up with Hoenn first, chances are, the absurd amount of water routes IS going to piss you off.

Is that all of it? I think that's all of it. Gen 3 is the marmite of the franchise. As another anon said, Gen 4 is where they got things on a steadier track IMO. Gen 3, they just kinda' threw a bunch of ideas on the wall to see what stuck, and some of it was just plain bad.

Also, the Gen was too fucking long, I think they lost players just from how stagnant it was towards the end.

I have no interest in replaying it or playing oras, but i love rby frlg gsc and hgss

>>25686371
I noticed this too.

You know when you can just tell its a same fag, from writing patterns or whatever.

One fucking guy seems to just be posting his hate everywhere. I dont get it.

>>25686718
>not gen 2

>Dark type
>Steel type
>Gender
>Breeding + babby pokemon
>Egg moves
>Special Defense/Attack
>Day/Night
>Held items
>Friendship
>Inventory revamp
>New Pokeball types
>Pokerus

>>25686726
Its the exact same thing.

>>25686780
Also
>move tutors

>>25686780
>>25686796
>weather

>>25686780
>>25686718
Not either of those anons, but Gen 2 and 4 easily did more for the franchise than any other Gen. It feels silly to choose between them.

Gen 1 was obviously the first. Gen 3 was like an ugly duckling. Gen 5 and 6 just seem to be trying to nail things out in terms of quality and visuals. Whether they're suceeding is of course, up to opinion.

But in terms of actually permanently improving the quality and content and standards of Pokemon games, Gen 2 and 4 have given so much, as well as just having pretty solid games. Especially if you're looking at the Gen 2 remakes.

>>25686013
Fucking spot on.

Not all of those who hate gen3 abandoned the franchise, some simply didn't like it, however all of the deserters that came back in a posterior gen hate Hoenn with passion.
I've seen people accusing others who disagree with them of Hoennbabies when the discussion doesn't even mention Hoenn or gen3 at all.

>>25686833
>Nostalgia is a valid accusation
>Hoennbabyism is not
cool post

>>25686718
continued because fucking shitty writing today;
things like the Galaxy games and other non-2D games sold absolute shit despite being arguably better value than the 2D games
>>25686830
It is silly to compare them, yes. Don't exactly know why you're saying gen 3 was like an ugly duckling though, it would be nice to elaborate.

>>25686833
This is because Gen 3 fanboys have been shoving it in peoples faces for fucking years now. With HURR HOENN CONFRIMBO, and then when OR/AS is finally announced, it has been non-stop people posting about how Hoenn is the best and noen of the other regions compare.

They usually attack Gen 2 and 4 the most for obvious reasons. Frankly, I am sick of it, and I am sure other people are too.

>>25686592
yes I've seen you posting this wank around a lot

if the plot is your big issue I don;t see how you can be so spiteful yet have nothing to say on any of the other games, asode from the first two they have all had that sort of wank and handholding.

graphics I definitely don't agree, the 3D finally looked good and smooth without being slow as fuck like in D/P plus the spritework was fantastic, much nicer looking that the 3D models and I found the mix of 2D and 3D to add to the experience of the game. especially in areas with large towering features.

beyond this the fact that characters had some personality and weren't as much of one note cutouts (so far as a Pokemon game is concerned) I found to be a nice change of pace.

things like the introduction of Hard mode plus a lot of post-game focus and legendaries to find kept me busy for a long time while other games I dumped pretty quick after beating them.

Seasons are fine, they provide some nice change just like weather did and add a bit of excitement hunting for a rare seasonal Pokemon.

>>25686855
It's literally the same thing, anon. It's being biased because of nostalgia either way.
>>25686867
>With HURR HOENN CONFRIMBO
Pretty sure that was actually ironic shitposting from people that didn't like Hoenn to upset people that did as in "haha these are never getting remakes blelele" kind of childish mockery.

>>25686594
ironically the odd numbered Gens are the best while the even numbered ones are the most boring

>>25685964
it had to follow the GOAT Gen

also didn't gen 3 feel like it was the longest?

>>25686891
The exception is 2 > 1 :))

>>25685964

Because it came out after Gen 2 which was DA BESS GEN EVAAAAA (even though it's not)

>>25686867
>They usually attack Gen 2 and 4 the most for obvious reasons. .

You really think somebody would do that? Just go and tell lies on the internet?

>>25686891
That's not ironic at all, since that's just your opinion.

>>25686914
but two is worse than one

>>25686867
>implying that all of that isn't just overcompensating for the years of them having to defend gen 3 from people who liked gens 1/2

Gen 3's fanbase is largely cancer nowadays, but it wouldn't have gotten that way if they didn't get demonized for like half a decade.

>>25686919
TWO REGIONS
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>>25686855
I didn't say "Hoennbabyism" isn't "valid", I just said at this point is a buzzword used for everytime someone just disagrees with you in the most unrelated matter.
>>25686867
>it has been non-stop people posting about how Hoenn is the best and noen of the other regions compare
It has been the other fucking way. There has been not a single day where I have entered /vp/ and haven't seen "hoenn is fucking shit" several times and those who say otherwise called Hoennbabies.
Also, the fact that you instantly assume that practically everyone who attacks gen2 and 4 are hoennfags proves my first point.

2 > 1 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 3

It's just fact, I played all gens at time of release

>>25686923
Being serious, and speaking mechanically, nah. You know how badly gen 1 has aged.
>>25686931
See >>25686945

>>25686467
>using tbhfam
>expecting anybody to take you seriously

>>25686856
>Don't exactly know why you're saying gen 3 was like an ugly duckling though
Mostly because Gen 3 began the ridiculous tradition of removing features, some of which (Day/Night for example) were even brought back next Gen because it was so absurd to remove it. Gen 3 also began the tradition of starting off a Gen with zero Post-Game, so we would buy future versions. The artstyle changed, and a lot of the new features they added were risks and not all of them worked, and not all of them were even pushed at the time.

I just feel like Gen 3 was in a very awkward place and didn't find itself until the very end, with Emerald. And even then, if you didn't like the Region, or were sick of the Gen itself, you probably didn't even play Emerald.

It was also so long, the longest Gen to date I believe.

The jump to Wifi with the special split and everything, holy fuck, I remember it well, it rejuvenated the entire franchise with Gen 4.

>>25686915
>>25685964

Also adding to this, Gen 3 was incompatable with Gen 2 (ven though Gen 2 almost ruined what little of a meta Pokemon had in the first place) and since you cant get "MUH BROS" in a lot of people's eyes, it's seen as the black sheep of the franchise.

>>25686081
>game clearly developed and marketed for kids
>"kiddie geared"
No shit.

>>25686917
>>25686945
Usually they announce themselves though, talking about how Hoenn was much better than Johto or Sinnoh, or whatever.

I believe that it's because they are bitter at how well recieved those two gens were, whereas Gen 3 was polarizing and not everybody loved it.

>>25686931
This is possibly true honestly.

>>25686875
Hoenn's plot was stupid, but over quickly.
Sinnoh's plot took forever, but I can't complain about it when Unova exists.
Kalos's plot is just over before it begins. There's nothing to say about it.

Unova's plot takes over the entire game. It doesn't end. You don't even become fucking champion in B/W. You get to where you actually want to be, and N comes in and cockblocks you for his BATTLE OF DWAAAAAAAAAAAGONS

The sparse plot and characterisation in Kanto and Johto made the gameplay and the adventure stand out far more than having everyone be in your face.
Replaying Kanto and Johto is painless, since it's 95% gameplay. Replaying Unova is impossible because 95% of the game is mashing A to get through dialogue that sucked the first time.


>the introduction of Hard mode
They implemented it in such a retarded way that most people won't even know it has a hard mode.
The Pokemon World Tournament and White Treehollow were neat ideas, but it's not worth the fifty hours of torture beforehand.

Preventing someone from obtaining something in a game based on the time they play it is a terrible idea, no matter what.
"You can only find time to play Pokemon at night? Enjoy never being able to catch these Pokemon :^)"
"You want to play the game now? Enjoy having to wait for winter to roll around to complete the Pokedex :^)"

>>25687014
>Gen 2
>Gen 4
>Well received

I see those gens get tons of flak though. Not that I agree with that since aside from Gen 6 there honestly isn't a gen I dislike

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>>25686732
>mfw the French dub still has the same voice actors for Ash, TR trio and Oak since the OS
>mfw I see people who watch the English dub on this board complain about voice acting change every season

>>25687014
>they announce themselves though
Well I'm tired of those faggots too.
Thanks to them whenever I say Hoenn is my favorite region everyone assumes I hate gen4 and gen5, when in fact I also love those gens.

Hoenn is the Mad Max 1 of the franchise. Normies hate it but it's actually the best.

>>25687069
That's B/W

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>>25687043
I only dislike Gen 3. In my time, I have seen gen 3 and 5 are probably the worst received by the general fanbase.

I don't think 5 was bad at all though, they took a lot of risks that I personally think worked. Whereas I don't think the risks in gen 3 worked at all.

Opinions though...

>>25687065
See, you're a pretty cool guy in my book, even if we may disagree on stuff.

I am strongly of the belief that people will enjoy things more if we all talked about what we liked, rather than what we disliked.

People can have preferences, but you can still find the good in every gen if you try enough.

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>>25686974
>removing features, IE day/night
That was not included because of technical limitations. Don't confuse removal with admittance. You could try get the official GBA devkit and shit try get in day/night in if you believe it could have been possible.
>starting off a Gen with zero Post-Game
I'm speculating, but I believe we only got Battle Tower as a post game area because of how development actually goes, with deadlines and all.
>and a lot of the new features they added were risks and not all of them worked
Such as?
I know that the artstyle changed and some people didn't like it, but that's something the other gens did too.
>I just feel like Gen 3 was in a very awkward place and didn't find itself until the very end, with Emerald
Yeah, but you realize that's extremely subjective. People constantly argue about what's the "comfiest" region.
Longest gen? Yeah sure, but not by a whole lot.
Also daily reminder that Sinnoh introduced a lot of awesome shit, but didn't make up for it. Being the most convoluted and slowest region even outside of battling speeds has its own kind of bad reputation. I included pic related in case you don't understand.

>>25687024

>50 hours

you can beat any pokemon game in less than 5 hours.

>>25687114
>I am strongly of the belief that people will enjoy things more if we all talked about what we liked, rather than what we disliked.
Isn't it funny how all "opinion threads" on /vp/ always start with "my favorite is x because" and end in "your favorite is shit because"?

Anyways, even though Hoenn is my favorite region I don't have any problems with you disliking gen3: you'll have your reasons and I'm not here to convince anyone. I'm just tired of all the shitflinging and falseflagging.
For the record, I didn't like ORAS, too many wasted opportunites.

>>25687024
>hating the final battle with N
that was great you mong, N was the best rival since Silver

the lack of plot in 1 & 2 was fine but idk if its what should be emulated.

more important I think is being able to adventure and re-visit places latter in the game for new areas/secrets

Hoenn/Sinnoh did this well but it also made the initial part of the game a chore since the environment effectively became a wall to advancement constantly

BW tried to fix this but made the game too linear
BW2 I think got the balance perfect so in the late/post-game you had so much open for you to do, it made getting the badges/becoming champion more satisfying since you knew that now you could enjoy it and mess around.

the friends were annoying but really after the first gym they were not that bad and at least managed to grow a little character wise; unlike the Gen 6 friends who were just horrible.
complaining about day-night/seasons is bullshit, if you can only play pokemon at 9pm once a month then too bad for you, go replay RBY again then

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>>25687119
Im not really 100% on board with your post, but I find that picture incredibly interesting.

I've been replaying White, and I am enjoying the linearity just because it's kind of a break after coming off of the other games. (AS, Plat, HG, Red, in that order)

I'm starting to notice that I like all the regions because of their differences in pacing. If all of the Regions felt the same, it would be boring, no?

I dislike Hoenn because all the water near the end SERIOUSLY drags it down, but aside that, the flow and pacing of the the Regions has been very interesting and good for me.

I am interested how X/Y will hold up on my playthrough of that. I seem to remember it being god tier at first, but then it goes to shit with it's awkward environment changes midway.

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>>25686029
>>25686090
I don't think you guys know what a Digimon is so here's a reminder.

>>25687119
>only including up to the Leauge

post game is more important in some games than others. I got a ton of hours out of Gen II and GenV postgame

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>>25687170
You nailed my thoughts mate, 10/10

>>25687184
>all the water near the end SERIOUSLY drags it down
Hopefully we're not NateWantsToBattle-ing here because I'm not typing a whole Repels argument again. Don't bother with the fact that every water tile in Hoenn vs. every water tile in Sinnoh; it would still be faster to travel all the water tiles in Hoenn at the surfing speed in Hoenn games than all the ones in Sinnoh at the surfing speed in Sinnoh games.
>>25687217
Not made by me, it shows you where you travel and shit throughout the playthrough; where you will have to go to progress. You are basically, completely free to roam after leagues.

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>>25687275
>it would still be faster to travel all the water tiles in Hoenn at the surfing speed in Hoenn games than all the ones in Sinnoh at the surfing speed in Sinnoh games.
So? The flow and design of a Region is important. There's what, six water route in Hoenn that are BACK TO BACK. Like, that's it, that entire part of the Region is water.

I get that it was the theme, but I just don't like it. And "just use repels" isn't a legit solution, you could slap that onto just about any area in any Pokémon game that someone doesn't enjoy, you know?

Sinnoh's region is structured better, even if it was "slower".

I can have my opinion that I didn't enjoy all the water routes anon, it's fine. I know someone that loves Hoenn because of those routes, and it's baffling to me, but I guess there is an appeal for people, so I will let them enjoy it.

>>25685964
It's where the loudest camp of Pokemon fans, Johtobabbies, got off the wagon because they were being bullied for liking "kids games." So they rationalized it as gen 2 being the last """true""" Pokemon games and glossed over all of GSC's own flaws with a shiny layer of nostalgia.

>>25687275
desu I'm not going to defend BW's linearity because that bothered me too, but I did like how you were not held up at every turn by the environment/bullshit restrictions slowing the game down massively, really becoming champion should be just the jumping off point not the end of the game.

also Unova had a ton of caves/other features off the trails to be re-visited latter and explored more, it meant you could go back and adventure but not have to slog through them early on when you just want to move on.

>>25687324
>Sinnoh's region is structured better
Objectively false. Hoenn can be traversed with just Surf and Rock Smash. You need some 5 HMs just to get around Sinnoh. For traversability there is no region worse than Sinnoh.

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You know where I mentioned earlier about how Gen 3 fanboys always loudly shit on Gens 2 or 4, to compensate for the polarization of Gen 3?

cough- >>25687326 -cough

>>25687326
Is Kantoddlers next?

>>25686732
>Is that all of it? I think that's all of it.
You need to do some adjustments there anon, especially since the music is totally your personal opinion and the water was never really an issue until the memes about it rolled along about it.

As for the content it's a stretch to say that GSC had more when both regions only made up one in that regard with nothing else to do about the battling.

Also I disagree with what you said about gen 4, that was the generation where they flew off the handles from forcing the touchscreen and dual slot gimmick with the nigh useless Poketch and DDR for contests and barring certain pokemon without a GBA game in the slot as well as a player unfriendly region design that many Japanese players complained about forcing GF to make their games super linear in later installments. Then there's the story but that's an entirely different area of discussion.

Completing the pokedex wasn't too much hassle in that generation either however it was the only game to require five games as opposed to four. Because of Ho oh's and Lugia's event status at the time the GC games weren't necessary.

As far as the mechanics went they revamped the entire game from scratch while adding several new features in the battles and overworld on top of that a lot of the non gimmick features in GSC made it over and were improved by a large margin.

I could go on but I'm getting tired of the typos I make on the phone.
Try to put less opinions into it next time and put some effort into knowing about the features of the game.

>>25687326
>Johtobabbies
...you poor newfag

Because it was released when you were in middle school where "Pokemon is lame.", so you kinda resent it.

>>25687345

needing HMs to explore is great, but not when you need that many to get anywhere, and ESPECIALLY not when you pass through an area repeatedly

HMs should open up new parts of other areas for optional exploration, not block you off all together from progress.

I always needed an HM slave in Sinnoh which was annoying as hell

>>25686974
>Mostly because Gen 3 began the ridiculous tradition of removing features
>implying that wasn't gen 2
>implying they had the safari zone
>implying Kanto wasn't butchered
Fucking hell, you people have some selective memory don't you.

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>>25687345
I don't include HM's in this though, that's a whole other bag of worms, and I would not hesitate for a second to remove HM's from the game entirely.

I don't think that should affect the quality of the structure of Sinnoh though. But I totally understand if it does for you.

>>25687358
You seem to be just as biased against Gen 4 though. "Super unfriendly Region"? You think Sinnoh was too hard or something?

>>25687388
>HMs should open up new parts of other areas for optional exploration, not block you off all together from progress.
This is one of the things Unova did very well.

>>25687398
At least they mostly fixed that in HGSS. They removed the Safari Zone because of memory constraints.

I stuck to the battle Frontier in 3rd gen, what did people hate about it's multiplayer?

>Gen 1 has to many exploits and bugs like wrap abuse.
>Gen 2 is too stall heavy with Snorlax, Skarmory, and Blissily.
>Gen 3 is ???
>Gen 4 is back to stall but also shit like Garchomp and stealth rocks.
>Gen 5 is weather wars.
>Gen 6 is hyper offensive and too many overpowered mega mons.

>>25687426
>memory constraints.
bullshit since they had a cart available they could have used with more memory, they just took the cheap route.

Easy: it was when the Pokemon designs started to change a lot, so a lot of nostalgiafags who swear by the first two gens only at least played it, but didn't keep playing the later generations. There are other reasons why you may like or dislike this game in particular, but generally speaking, it's the timing (also has to do with first gen stans getting old enough to not easily get into it anymore).

>>25687324
Water routes like that, well, FLOW quite well if you're using repels which again are so accessible in Hoenn that there's no point in not getting them if you're being annoyed by random encounters.
>>25687326
I would almost call falseflag because of how stupidly you're writing that shit, anon. Cut that out.

>>25687398
I don't know how to even handle replying to this post.

You attitude makes me not want to bother.

>implying they had the safari zone
HG/SS did. You know damn well why there was no Safari Zone. The game was so full of other shit, they could barelt fit Kanto in the games. Plus there was otehr things like the Bug Catching Contest instead.
>implying Kanto wasn't butchered
You know why Kanto was smaller too. Kanto still ended up being much more content than anything R/S had, and it wasn't removed content neither. It was a miracle they got what they did into the game.

Where is the removed Content in Gen 2, anon? Where is it?

>>25687426
>At least they mostly fixed that in HGSS

>no Safari Zone still
>removed Game Center as well for English releases
>only new feature is a Pokemon follows you, which was done nearly 10 years prior

No.

>>25687451
>implying HGSS is gentoo

>>25687456
>no Safari Zone still
You fool!

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>>25687217
>I got a ton of hours out of Gen II
There's only about an hour or so of postgame in gen 2 though.
Also optional content within a region is a thing too don't forget that, postgame doesn't necessarily mean a lot of content.

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>>25685964
its not.

its just a has a large number of faggots too young to know any better, but old enough to voice their stupidity about their worship for "da battle frontier" and other shit we dont need

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>>25686243
>>25686090
>>25686171

>>25687466
"kill yourself"

>>25687474
Crystal I should say with the battle tower as well

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>>25687474
>an hour or so
>clearing all 8 Kanto gym leaders and Mt. Silver + Red in an hour

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>>25687445
But my problem was that I was sick of it, so much time spent surfing was boring for me. I like fluid environment changes.

Don't even get me started on the awful final routes with all the flowing currents and shit.

Fuck Unova for bringing that back too. But at least in Unova it's just 1 route (maybe 2?), and it's broken up by a large island with trainers, but Hoenn it's fucking THREE near-empty, current-heavy water routes back to back after Pacifilodge. Fuck, what were they thinking there?!

Repels aren't going to save me from the monotonous surfing around. But I will say that Diving was neat, especially in OR/AS, and better than it was in Gen 5.

>>25687508
also battle tower

>>25685964
It came out at a time when a bunch of people who played the originals felt they were getting too old for pokemon and a bunch of new kids picked it up as their first gen.

Basically you have people who started on gen 1 hating it because they remember it being bad when they were losing interest and you have a bunch of people who hate it because they started with it.

Fire red/Leaf Green were better than RSE T/F?

One thing is for certain the music was better

>>25687529
Absolutely

>>25687466
>it's contrarian to like Garbador
What the fuck? Opinions are not allowed?

>>25687464

Safari Zone got replaced with Pal Park.
aka, who fucking cares. It's not content or extra things to do. Kanto in any version of Gen 2 is just "Walk, battle, get gym badge.", and literally nothing else.

>>25687529
not Emerald but R/S definitely

>>25686628
Sure you did, anon.

>>25687474
Uhh, what? Gen 2 had shitloads of post-game content.

HG/SS still have, to date, the most content. Closest to come to it so far has been B2/W2 which got very very close. In fact, you could probably make a good case for B2/W2 having as much.

>>25687508
Not sure, but one time I saw someone saying that the only postgame part of gen 2 was Mount Silver. I would like to know what the basis of that was if someone else also saw that.
>>25687516
It takes like 3 minutes to go through all the water routes with repels or something
>>25687529
>One thing is for certain the music was better
Subjective. The style also changed dramatically, there's that as well.

>>25687543
Silph CO? Pokemon mansion? Pokemon tower? Rocket HQ?

>>25687543
There is a Safari Zone in HG/SS anon. You got to design your own Safari, and then let other players download it. The more unique you designed it with different objects and areas, the more variety of Pokemon you could find. Was a very interesting take, and the last time we got an actual Safari of any kind.

X/Y's Friend "Safari", and OR/AS's glorified route, does not count.

>>25687543
http://serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/safarizone.shtml

>>25687555
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HGSS is GenII

>>25687555

>Uhh, what? Gen 2 had shitloads of post-game content.

Like what? What meaningful content does it have? What is there to get after getting all 8 badges? Battle Red? Anything else open up? Or does just fast running to 8 gyms that all have shitty, easy levels count as Post-Game?

Might as well considering the amount of time it'd take to catch a Legendary in ORAS as a part of post-game, cause there is a new one every day of the week!

>>25685964
I think That you've started a genwar thread and need to apologize to the reasonable people on /vp/ for being a faggot.

>>25686113
Because we're not fucking autistic

Also gen 3 can feel like a complete overhaul of the original games.
>not many old Pokémon found
>all new graphics/system
>plenty of new mechanics

>>25687595
>plenty of new mechanics
abilities, natures, double battles.......................... wow so many features

>>25687451
>HG/SS did.
Not a gen 2 game, bug catching also isn't an applicable replacement for the safari zone because it didn't replicate the mechanics of it. Oh and that was it as far as side games went.

>You know why Kanto was smaller too. Kanto still ended up being much more content than anything R/S had, and it wasn't removed content neither.
I really hope you're kidding here.
Hoenn alone has more content than gen 2 as a whole especially with the secret bases and contests. To top it off the two regions barely made up one in terms of overall grinding which is why they made the level scaling so terrible to pad out the game.
Oh yeah and if they can't get it all in then they shouldn't have done it at all that was the biggest flaw of gen 2 and the Johto games in general and it carried over to HGSS.

>Where is the removed Content in Gen 2, anon? Where is it?
The Safari Zone
The majority of Kanto
Several Crystal elements that never made it overseas.

That's when you know a gen is bad, they remove things in the same gen it was introduced.

>>25687543
Uhh, what about all of the little mini-quests in Kanto, like with Surge? Or the Rocket dude and the Magnet Train? Plus all the Legendaries, Red, the Oak story after you beat Red, all the Trades and Gym Leader interactions?

When will this "Kanto was empty" meme finally die?

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>>25687571
3 minutes? Uhh, what? To get all the items and battle all the trainers too? I'm talking about when you're playing through the game first time, you get stuck in the water for a long ass time dude. 3 minutes? That's ridiculous. Maybe if you're crossing from A-B after already fully exploring it all, then sure.

>>25687603
Way more than what came from gen 1 to gen 2

>>25687624
see >>25686780
Lick my ass

>>25687623
Global rule 13.

>>25687501
Thing is that was the only repayable thing in the game the worst part is that it it was extremely glitchy but if that's your thing then go ahead, the Kanto segment was woefully short as well, unless you were new to pokemon.

>>25687609
>Uhh, what about all of the little mini-quests in Kanto, like with Surge? Or the Rocket dude and the Magnet Train? Plus all the Legendaries, Red, the Oak story after you beat Red, all the Trades and Gym Leader interactions?

Shit that leads to no where and is as optional as maybe using Cut to get a item?
That isn't post-game, that is just basically that, overall side content. Did you go to new towns? Discover or unlock new Pokemon to catch? A new island to explore filled with gym leaders and other high leveled Pokemon? Did it have Pokemon contests? Kanto is as barren as post-game in ORAS, only nostalgiafags would think there is anything in Gen 2 worth offering in the terms of long term play, even more so considering Gen 2 is so fucking easy that you could get most of the badges in just two sittings.

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>>25687595
As said previously, people don't like change. Bringing up that Mario franchise thing again, because you can see it there as well.
>>25687603 >>25687632
pic related because lazy, just like you
>>25687623
I meant as traveling the routes. Sure there's basically plenty of busywork in the waters of Hoenn, some people like that though. Mad Max, recent enough example.

>>25685964
Because most people here on 4chan grew up with the Hoen region. therefore, they more than likely love it. But when they played Alpha or Omega, they realized it was all in their childhood. Which doesn't make it bad but as an adult you realize it's not that amazing to relive it. Once Sun and Moon come out, then you will fill that joy again.

>>25687583
>There is a Safari Zone in HG/SS anon
Hgss isn't gen two retard.
And literally everyone hated that one to the point that they removed it in future games.

>>25687623
I've never had a problem with the water routes. It was a buildup, you saw a threat looming in the distance.
Why are all of you nimrods so assblasted about never getting instant gratification in your games?

>>25687676
You mean people who grew up with Hoenn recently started posting on 4chan because they've filled 18 more or less recently.
recently recent, recently

>>25687659
>they don't even have the IV checker under Emerald
Fucking bulbapedia what are you doing?

>>25687659
>pic related

>new Pokemon and moves
Gen 2 did this too
>Contests
lel
>8 gym leaders
Down from 16
>New Pokeballs
They replaced the Johto ones, nothing to see here.
>Weather on the field
Gen 2 still introduced the concept.
>e-Reader
lel
>Berries
oh boy, busywork
>Clock was removed
TOP lel

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>>25687114
>>25687184
>>25687231
>>25687324
>>25687354
>>25687410

>avatarfagging

>>25687656
>Did you go to new towns?
All of Kanto.

>Discover or unlock new Pokemon to catch?
Slugma, Houndour, Murkrow, Misdreavus, plus a bunch of Gen I Pokemon can only be found in Kanto.

>A new island to explore filled with gym leaders
I don't understand how you can argue one thing, then argue the exact opposite in the next post.

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>>25687683
>Reading comprehension
We were talking about the remakes

>everyone hated that one to the point that they removed it in future games.
You know well and true that is not why the feature was removed. I guess everyone hates the Battle Frontier and Customization too then?

>>25687639
Sorry, I just like posting images with posts, that was the folder I had open.

>>25687676
>Because most people here on 4chan grew up with the Kanto region.
Ftfy
Seriously, just because you want to think otherwise doesn't make it true

>>25687721
Motherfucker read this post >>25687725

Sides, you don't even know what Avatarfagging is, those were just random Roxie pictures.

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>Gen 2 fags

It's fucking delicious.

>>25687683
>Hating HG SS
wut?
I Don't know a single person who says this for the simple fact of the Pokewalker, not to mention the fact that you can even change the game back to game boy sounds. The game was one of the best remakes out there.
>Isn't gen 2
How is it not if it's LITERALLY a remake of the game unless you literally mean the game/region as it self which technically means that it is. A remake is a remake. Just with prettier graphics

>>25687709
wut

>>25687737
I didn't say they didn't. I just know more people referring to the Hoen region more as a the competitive racket because they were older to understand it. How a lot of us now in our 20s Play X and Y, understanding how it all works and trying to make a good team.

>>25687748
What's wrong with the Johtoh region?

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>>25687748
>Gen 3 fags

>>25687722
>All of Kanto.

Rehashed region and assets, absolutely nothing new to explore.

>I don't understand how you can argue one thing, then argue the exact opposite in the next post.

I am saying a breath of new actual content. Gen 2 is just literally copy-pasted Gen 1 at 30% capacity and adds nothing new to the overall landscape. It might add a few Gen 2 Pokemon that you can only get there, but it literally adds nothing new to the table that wasn't already present, and only includes 8 badges. All of which are easy to obtain and could be done rather quickly. It's not like a second game, we're talking easy to get to content that could be accessed and completed in the matter of 3 hours tops.

Gen 3 is so divisive because it came at the time when Pokemon's fad stage was coming to an end. Kids who played Gen 1 and 2 had gotten older and Pokemon was but a childhood memory to them, so whilst they still had nostalgia for the first 2 gens, gen 3 was seen as an affront because in their eyes Pokemon ended with Gen 2 and Gen 3 should never have existed. I'm ashamed to admit that I used to be one of these people but once i got back into the series full time with Gen V, I thankfully grew the fuck up.

You see people in here trying to claim Gen 4.5 or 6 are more divisive, but they're wrong, there's a deep seated hate for Gen 3 from many of the original Pokemon players, and you see it crop up on /v/ and /vp/ a lot of the time. ORAS being disappointing was like a birthday present to these people, because it gave them even more reason to hate Gen 3.

>>25687024
>You don't even become fucking champion in B/W.

That was the best part of the game, becoming Champion has always left me feeling empty because you never do anything with it, at all. You don't even take the place of the former Champion and face challengers for your position, which just makes it even more meaningless.

>>25687725
>We were talking about the remakes
Follow the conversation dumbass no one was talking about the remakes but you.

>You know well and true that is not why the feature was removed.
That's literally the only reason why, people hated it with a burning passion and the arbitrary wait times just made it worse.

>I guess everyone hates the Battle Frontier and Customization too then?
The gen 4 frontier yeah remember how pissed people were when they saw the Platinum version and buy the Emerald one? Oh and people did in fact complain about the lack of options when it came to customization both here and outside.

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>>25687720
>>Contests
>lel
>>e-Reader
>lel
Not gonna take you seriously, because you're basically throwing things away because they weren't relevant to your interests. You're really not relevant to mine. You're also not getting what is and isn't my point. You're arguing with a fucking Bulbapedia article. Go have fun in the Talk section.
Included this pic, the last things that's cropped of it "Incorporation of legendary Pokémon into the plot." Thanks, typing changes for filling up so much space with your fancy HTML, pomf
>>25687719
oh wow pomf get your shit on
>>25687758
The general thing about Johto which I've seen being thrown around is how it's too small. It tries to incorporate Kanto in as well and because of size limitations and other technical difficulties, they had to reduce the size of both regions. Or maybe it went like "woops we made Johto small, let's have Kanto be in it as well" or something. It's more likely that it was planned to have both from the start and ended up having to downscale their ideas.
It's funny how people say "day/night was removed from gen 3" when it was because of technical difficulties and probably other difficulties as well, when the one present in gen 2 is the worse technical difficulty they had.

>>25687024
>Preventing someone from obtaining something in a game based on the time they play it is a terrible idea, no matter what.
>"You can only find time to play Pokemon at night? Enjoy never being able to catch these Pokemon :^)"
>"You want to play the game now? Enjoy having to wait for winter to roll around to complete the Pokedex :^)"
Gen 5 never did this, the encounter rates changes but every pokemon could be found, only the Johto games barred pokemon like that.

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>mfw I hate Hoenn because those were the one set of games I skipped
>mfw I went from Silver to Pearl then back to LeafGreen
>mfw I funpost about how awful Hoenn is (because it is)

>>25686203
>twice as many people voted for Gen 4 than Gen 5
I can see why Unovababies despise the superior Sinnoh games now

>>25687822
>Gen 5 never did this, the encounter rates changes but every pokemon could be found
False. I wanted to use Spheal on my team in White 2, and it can only ever be found in winter.

http://serebii.net/pokedex-bw/363.shtml

>>25687829
Why not just emulate them?
Best case scenario is that you like it, worst you get legitimate shitposting material.
Or vice versa.

>>25687847
I did actually emulate it as a kid. I picked Torchic, saw the abomination that is Blaziken, and dropped it hard.

I have played through it as an adult and it still sucks lmao

>>25687845
What does the 5th gen seasons rotate around? Weeks?

Team Aqua and Magma are probably the shittiest evil team, so by virtue the entire plot was shitty. Other than that it was fine.

Team Rocket is a criminal organization.
Team Galactic is a cult.
Team Plasma is self-righteous sjws.

Magma and Aqua were environmental terrorists for the sake of the environment.

>>25687860
One season one month.

>>25687861
>Magma and Aqua were environmental terrorists for the sake of the environment.
Not anymore they aren't.

Also rocket is the worst of any team regardless of remakes, due to their lack of ambition and sheer stupidity.

>>25687814
Gold and Silver were never meant to be remakes in the first place. You start in Johtoh, you go back to Kanto and find several places different and the disbandment of Team Rocket. Which makes sense. The game isn't meant to be "the next step" but the next few years after some shit happened. I mean considering that Cinnabar island is nothing much but the gym and the Center. I believe it was due to the volcano explosion or was it Mewtwo? I don't remember.
Either way, you make it sound like the game was meant to be like, you're Red, and you cont on basically.

>>25687829
>saying that Blaziken is bad
>Is literally the only Fighting Fire pokemon that doesn't suck

And I bet you like the flaming Poo monkey don't you?

>>25687876
>Rocketo Gang is bad
How so?
>GIVE US YER POKERMAN ER ILL STAB YER ASS
>Giovanni is not a force to fuck with
With all the top mob bosses, I would fear him the most, but then again I would say they just get crazier and dumber over the years
"I WILL TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE WITH THE GOD POKEMON!"

>>25687829
You should play ORAS. Made me feel a little better about Hoenn.

>>25687876
>rocket is the worst of any team
fucking come on

They're the only one with realistic motives. They were just gangsters. Not completely ludicrous Saturday morning cartoon villains.

>>25687913
For most people, it was the opposite though...

Emerald's Battle Frontier, lads. That, alone, makes 3 gen very good.

>in b4 muh Pokémon Crystal's Battle Frontier
Can't compare m8.

>>25687906
>With all the top mob bosses, I would fear him the most, but then again I would say they just get crazier and dumber over the years
Because of how out of place they seem for pokemon, I mean they have all of these extremely powerful pokemon and they aren't doing anything with it.
I mean, they could at least capture them to sell for an extremely high price but no.

Every other team has had a plot that works within the pokemon series except them, even as a kid I wondered why they didn't just go after the legendary in the anime instead of just Pikachu too.

Also this
>GIVE US YER POKERMAN ER ILL STAB YER ASS
Doesn't describe Rocket at all they're so stupid and weak that despite controlling not only a building buy the entire city it was in they couldn't get in and out with what they wanted which was a pokeball on the person of the CEO of Silph. They could have just punched him out and mass produced it in their base but they didn't.

>>25687958
>Get OS
>playing it as a 22 yo
>OMG SO GREAT TO REPLAY A GAME I'VE NOT PLAYED SINCE I WAS A TEEN
>playing it
>beat it in a month
>huh. Was I just an idiot then or am I smarter now to the game?
>after game
>catching Pokemon
>Don't know why I'm keeping this game
>Don't know why I don't trade it in to put cash down to Moon
>Nothing on there but 2 mews I have
>No honest reason to replay it when I have X
>X is by far still my main favorite
Why even play the old ones? I don't understand Genwunners any more when the it was basically the starting game of it all.
I guess we just have to wait for the newest content of Pokemon to compare?

>>25687994
I get your sentiment. OR/AS was a huge step down from X/Y, which may be controversial to say because /vp/ dislikes X/Y and has a huge nostalgiaboner for Hoenn.

>>25687906
>Gold and Silver were never meant to be remakes in the first place. You start in Johtoh, you go back to Kanto and find several places different and the disbandment of Team Rocket. Which makes sense. The game isn't meant to be "the next step" but the next few years after some shit happened. I mean considering that Cinnabar island is nothing much but the gym and the Center. I believe it was due to the volcano explosion or was it Mewtwo? I don't remember.
>Either way, you make it sound like the game was meant to be like, you're Red, and you cont on basically.

The amount of headcannon in this shit is astounding.

>>25687861
Team Plasma used that as a facade to appeal more to the general audience. It brings up a good point actually, it gets people playing the games surprisingly much.
>>25687876
Rocket is literally "we're a thug mafia gang, give us your pkmn/pokecash"
>>25687906
>Gold and Silver were never meant to be remakes in the first place.
uh yeah obviously, my rambling is more or less speculative if you got it from the last parts.
>The game isn't meant to be "the next step" but the next few years after some shit happened.
Though, you can't compare what it is in terms of story to what it is in terms of actual game. At least, not as directly as you're saying.
>>25687945
>realistic motives
>in a game where horses are on fire and eggs are talking
cmon anon, you can't say most realistic is always good in a game where realism is thrown out the window. Side note, I think I realized why a good amount gen 1-2 childhood people are so edgy, the rivals and Rocket.
>>25687913
Only storytelling was fixed in the places it needed. As >>25687958 said, not everyone enjoyed what was left out of OR/AS. Luckily, you have me with my OR/AS nostalgia ROM hack project wip maybe soon(tm) ;)))))

>>25687958
This.
Loved RSE Hoenn.
Despised what they did in the gen6 in general.

>>25687945
See >>25687992
As much as you want to believe it a team with realistic goals is boring in pokemon and doesn't fit the world inhabited with creatures that can easily cause mass destruction.

It'd be like if Final Fantasy was just about medieval war rather than a plot with Monsters that make a causual loop. It's boring.

>>25688018
Please, although I agree, you can say /vp/ has a nostalgiaboner for all gens up to IV. And in a few years up to V.

>>25688033
>Rocket is literally "we're a thug mafia gang, give us your pkmn/pokecash"
That's exactly why they're the worst, they didn't even come close to their end goal.

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>fedora
Fuck off

>>25688066
No one really had nostalgia for 2 and 3 here until recently.
I don't even think you can call the gen 3 defenders nostalgiafags because they don't ignore the flaws of the game but rather correct people about it.

>>25688077
Which again, Plasma came closer to their goal than Rocket, both what Ghetsis initially said was his goal and what was his actual goal. Talking about success, Galactic was the only one that, succeeded, more or less.

>>25688084
Reee for me Sinnohbabby.
Reee for me...

>>25688114
it's about loving the flaws of a generation :3

>>25688114
>I don't even think you can call the gen 3 defenders nostalgiafags because they don't ignore the flaws of the game but rather correct people about it.
Haha what?

>>25688140
He's a Gen 3 nostalgiafag making excuses

>>25687992

>I mean they have all of these extremely powerful pokemon and they aren't doing anything with it.
>imma take over the world! With this fucking dumb pokemon that can fucking kill you!

>Pokemon in the old days meant something, now everyone wants to take over the world/universe

>anime
NEVER COMPARE THE GAME TO THE ANIME YOU WILL LOOSE THIS FIGHT
Yes I agree with you on that too. That's why I had high respects for when TR got their shit together and established a base there with Yami Yugi

>Not ROCKET
I must be thinking of the Manga. I remember something like it.

>>25688018
I've never heard /vp/ hate XY, can some one explain this

>>25688024
I'm not sure if this is good or bad.

>>25688033
>Though, you can't compare what it is in terms of story
to a degree that is what I was saying because people were making it sound like HGSS wasn't gen2 by default which it is technically.

>>25688084
shuttup. What are you gonna do about it?

>>25688105
>TFW you will never be as stylin as Gio

>>25688140
>>25688143
No, he's right.

Because it was shit, but a lot of people who are just barely old enough to be on 4chan had those as their first pokemon games.

>>25688178
Not completely. A lot of us did play the other games as children. I'm 24. I've played every region. what I think it amts to is it was our FIRST region we could really see and feel what you're suppose to do in the game with all the extra shit you could do. Now, we go back and play RBYG on our VBAs and realize that Double team was one of the best moves we should of used in the beginning and when Blue kept using Growl on us with his Squirtle, it was actually a decent idea, but not that low if the game gave you more than 2 moves.

>>25688140
>>25688143
>don't agree so we're gonna rid off his point by saying he's nostalgiafagging
You're just proving his point even more. Sure, call samefag, I'll photopuush the results in under a minute.
>>25688150
>making it sound like HGSS wasn't gen2 by default which it is technically
No, HG/SS are technically gen 4. Remember the definition of the word "technical", anon. They are gen 4 technically because they have more or less everything that the Sinnoh games technically have.
>>25688178
>57 posters
I'm not imagining things.

>>25688212
I'm referring to the generation of Pokemon. Not to the game in which they were set around.
that's like saying XY is really like Gen 8 already

>>25688178
This post is so stupid that I prefer assume you're just taking the chance of this mess of a thread to shitpost.

>>25688117
In terms of success of would say it would go something like
Magma/Aqua > Galactic => Plasma => Flare > Rocket
Magma and Aqua did eventually achieve their goals but they couldn't control the legendary because they didn't want the region to be totally water or land.
Cyrus almost did but the chain didn't control them like he thought, in Plat Giratina interfered.
Plasma, Ghetsis succeeded in getting some people to release their Pokemon and N had control of an extremely powerful pokemon, you're the only thing that stopped him. In black and white 2 he even successfully stole the dragon from N and still had the weapon powered by it.
While Lysandre didn't get the people he wanted on his team he did power up the weapon and fire it successfully.
Rocket couldn't get the master ball.

>>25688235
Yeah, you want to explain why? Or is accusing others randomly of being shitposters how you try to hide your shitposting?

>>25688178
I think this is a strong factor to be honest.

Kids who got R/S at 6-10 would be what, 18-22 now? That's like, prime age for this board, and still immature enough to be blinded by nostalgia and bent on shitposting.

May be pushing it, but im pretty sure /v/ too, pushes Gen 3 as the final good Gen, and hates everything after.

>>25688150
>I must be thinking of the Manga. I remember something like it.
It seems like something special would do.
But seriously, they're a team they could overwhelm a legendary in sheer numbers, catch it and sell it.

>>25688250
>Yeah, you want to explain why?
Yeah why not.
It's stupid because you're making an assumption based on zero facts to be able to use "underage" as an argument.
The assumption by the way, is that practically anyone who doesn't dislike Hoenn had RSE as their first games.
I really hope you don't socially behave like this outside of 4chan.

>>25688232
uh, what?
>>25688249
Good points. I didn't consider M/A to be too successful because their plan was to control the things, though.

>>25688261
>im pretty sure /v/ too, pushes Gen 3 as the final good Gen, and hates everything after
...you've never been in a /v/ pokemon thread, have you?

>>25688279
I explicitly did not call anyone underage. RBY is the favorite of most people casually into this series because it was their first generation, and it was a huge phenom. Gold and Silver is a huge deal to those that grew up first with that one, and so on. This isn't new or surprising. You see it with tons of long-running series. Did you even read the post, or just latch on to some keywords and drive yourself into a fit?

>>25688261
>That's like, prime age for this board, and still immature enough to be blinded by nostalgia and bent on shitposting.
You'd have a point but they don't really use the typical nostalgia based arguments.

>>25688261
>like pages on facebook to do with Pokemon
>Pokelogic
>Gym Leader Misty
>Genwunners run all over their pages
>specially on Misty's page
>the girls put up with it.
>The girls love all the game
>"NO! GENWUN IS THE ONLY JUAN!"
>Nostalgia fags wont grow up.
>Thinking the world is flat

>>25688273
I think as any game franchise, you have to start a base, as it was, it slowly became more and more dumb.

>>25688285
If you're talking the way I think you are, you're saying that the game itself, not being a remake is gen 4 right?

>>25688288
>going to /v/
>every other board
fuck, I would say to goto /lgbt/ b4 going to that cancer board.

It didn't feel like as much of a step up from the previous gen, even though that's kind of a bald-faced lie.

>>25688301
>I think as any game franchise, you have to start a base, as it was, it slowly became more and more dumb.
Okay you're starting to make less and less sense.

>>25688295
>I explicitly did not call anyone underage.
>>25688178
>a lot of people who are just barely old enough to be on 4chan
Are you serious? For real, are you serious?
And yes, a lot of people that grew with RBY love those games and the same with GSC, but I don't see you using that fact as a flawed argument to call those gens shit unlike with gen3, right?

>>25688321
What about "just barely old enough" reads to you like underageb&? At this point I'm becoming convinced that you have a mental disorder and should step away from the computer for your own well-being. At least for a few minutes.

>>25688318
What I'm saying, with a game franchise like Pokemon, you need to establish what the bad guys are going to be like. Over the years, they have become pretty fucking stupid as to their demands. Look back at all them and you will go"Oh I see what you mean"

>>25688301
Uhm, because we are children right now I'll line up what I and well, like everyone else agrees on is the generation progression of the series, uh yeah
Gen 1, Kanto
Gen 2, Johto
Gen 3, Hoenn [ With FR/LG, Kanto now technically belongs to both gen 1 and 3
Gen 4, Sinnoh [ With HG/SS, Johto now technically belongs to both gen 2 and 4
Gen 5, Unova
Gen 6, Kalos [ With OR/AS, Hoenn now technically belongs to both gen 3 and 6
Am I wrong or what? I don't even get if you're actually arguing for "remakes are technically only belonging to their original generation" because that's just wrong. Kanto is originally from gen 1, but also appear in gen 3 as remakes with the technical and mechanical stuff that gen 3 brought with it. Am I not correct or what?

>>25688333
It doesn't matter, the meaning is the same.
My point was that you're basically assuming anyone who likes gen3 is due to nostalgia because they were their first games

And you know very well that was what you were implying, no matter how many turns you try to give it.
I also like you have to resort to plain insults at this point. Thank you but I'm not going to fall that low. Nice trips by the way.

>>25688350
That's the problem with Rocket it wasn't believable for the setting. If they were made a little more direct and powerful then yeah it would be a slightly better fit

>>25688333
So why to bring up the "just barely old enough" shit in the first place?
You were just trying to stir shit up.

>>25688367
How does that work then? If they are just remakes, then, that doesn't work out as well as we wanted, then BW2 also belongs to another generation right?


>>25688379
I never understood why they couldn't do more with the game. And the game is literally 1MB

>>25686171
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/4ba1cx/the_generation_that_is_v/

you're wrong

>>25688401
Because I'm talking about an age category, you dumb fuck. >>25688261 got it just fine, you're just stupid. "Just barely old enough" means 18-20.

>>25688321
Gen 3 is shit because of extremely inconsistent monster design, the absolutely abominable route layouts and encounter distribution, as well as the introduction of the terrible concept of "friendly rival." I didn't say nostalgia goggles made them shit, I said they were shit but they were liked because of nostalgia. Those aren't the same thing.

BUTT
HURT

>>25688372
I was being civil until you had already filled two posts with being an insulting shitheel. You're mad because you're sad, hypocrite.

>>25688465
>Gen 3 is shit because of extremely inconsistent monster design, the absolutely abominable route layouts and encounter distribution, as well as the introduction of the terrible concept of "friendly rival."
You know, if you want people to take you seriously stop throwing in meaningless opinions and more objective facts. Like the water or Shoal Cave's mechanics shit like that.

Because at present we've been in an era where people have been expecting/begging for remakes of it for about 7 years and then had remakes which are currently the most recent games.

Shit has just been topical for a while so you've got obsessive fans and people that want to the shut the fuck up constantly talking about he games for years now. Times will move on and a different Gen will become the most divisive, it's not inherent to the games themselves.

Gen IV remakes are due next in theory so shitposting galore will ramp up for the next few years and that will be the most controversial Gen.

>>25688410
I just said how it works.
Original Kanto
Original Johto
Original Hoenn, FR/LG = Kanto in the setting of gen 3 mechanics, which Hoenn brought
Sinnoh, HG/SS = Johto in the setting of gen 4 mechanics, which Sinnoh brought
B/W Unova.
B/W 2 Unova and because you're apparently so fucking stupid, the SEQUEL (((NOT REMAKE))) to B/W. It is still gen 5, no mechanics have been changed.
Kalos, OR/AS = Hoenn in the setting of gen 6 mechanics, which Kalos brought
I'm getting pretty pissy about having to explain simple things to someone who's like 22 or whatever.
>>25688465
>gen 3 is shit because (subjective reasonings)
>BUTT HURT
Uh yeah, we call that irony or something

>>25688465
And you still don't understand that my complain is that you assume that practically anyone liking gen3 must had them as their first games, basically trying to invalidate any argument positive towards Hoenn.
You think I'm against you calling gen3 shit?
Not at all, you have your reasons, like the ones you finally posted now. I may disagree or not with them but they're just reasons and for all I care you can call gen3 a shit all you want.

Also, thanks for the pejorative terms but I'm still not going to insult you. I am sad, but not mad.

>>25686010

Yeah because GSC wasn't so much its own thing as it was "Pokemon 2"

>>25688544
Pokemon 2: Ruby and Sapphire

>>25688538
24.
>not paying attention to my posts
thanks anon
Also, maybe the way you're explaining it doesn't make sense to me, sorry there bud.

>>25688572
Then explain to me what makes sense to you, then.

>>25688544
I wouldn't even call it a 2 as much as an expansion not to dissimilar to the third games or black and white 2.

>>25688586
The way you make it sound, it sounds like you're calling HGSS a completely different region/game when it's just a remake of a game. I don't understand this.

>>25688595

That's what I mean by 2. It's just the next part of the story.

>>25688609
>
No, that's what you're saying.
It is a remake of a game, which is set with the mechanics that gen 4 introduced
how is this hard to understand

>>25688646
OK so you mean the mechanics of the current generation of said games? Like how ORAS is basically the same mechs as XY?

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>2016
>liking gen 3
>liking the most objectively shit games in all areas

I bet you fags didn't even like X/Y

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>>25688654
Yes. It literally means that the remakes are in the same generation as, to simplify and give a pattern that hasn't been broken, the previous games were.
>>25688690

>>25688465
>posting opinions as fact

Classic /vp/

>>25686013
>Most kids who were into gen1 and 2 were in middle school when gen 3 came out, and playing Pokemon was "uncool".

Not true, I was about to start high school when gen 2 came out.

But yeah, I didn't let anyone knew I played Gen 3.

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>>25686953
>gen 2 better than 1 4 or 5

>>25688733
>Grade school
>get made fun of for liking pokemon
>middle school
>LOL YOU LIKE POKEMON?
>highschool
>neat you like pokemon
>adult
>I guess it's ok to like it but why are you playing it in public?
>It's a mobile game for a reason

>>25688747
TWO REGIONS
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>>25686953
>2 and 1
>better than anything
They have aged like milk pissed out by a hobo with gangrene on his dick.

>>25688817
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>>25686371
I really think we neeed ID'S on the board. To much arguing with multiple people agreeing with themselves. Would also make giveaways easier

>>25685964
The disconnect from previous Gens. Most Pokemon available were completely new and there were no references to older regions. Pretty much the same reason people hate on Gen 5.

Its unfamiliar territory so its not as comfy for them.

>>25688939
Meanwhile I find Fire Red/Leaf Green were much more popular, probably for the nostalgia/familiarity.

>>25688955
>Meanwhile I find Fire Red/Leaf Green were much more popular, probably for the nostalgia/familiarity.
They sold less than RSE and are the lowest selling remakes overall.

Really, why should Gen 6 be worst gen? I've LOVED it. I started back in 2000 when i was 14 with Blue and played every gen. I think Gen 6 is the most balanced and the one with best features. It somehow lacks with endgame (except Delta chapter, Zinnia is my new pokewaifu) but it's compensated by awesome online and better breeding techniques. Also Pokébank, best way to transfer from gen to gen *ever*.

>>25688939
>Most Pokemon available were completely new and there were no references to older regions.
That's why people liked them though, things were new and didn't look like any of the other games more new pokemon showed up as opposed to the old.

Check out some old reviews some time anon. I have a few Nintendo magazines from back then.

For me it was my first ever Pokemon game.

Obviously there's always gonna be younger people who's first game was gen 5, gen 6, whatever.

But what made gen 3 special is that though it might have been the first pokemon game for myself and many others, it wasn't our first experience with pokemon. We had gone years watching the pokemon anime, collecting the TCG, merch and everything else that came with the major pokemon hype at the time.

I think the fact that it was in full colour was a huge benefit as well. I grew up on the PS1, so the GameBoy and GameBoy colour did seem a little outdated by the standards I were used to.

>>25685964
You won't understand if you weren't there for it. The combination of no transfer from old gens and more importantly, YOU COULD NOT FUCKING CATCH THEM ALL.

Gen 3, prior to FR/LG/E, was the only period of time in pokemon history where you couldn't catch them all on the newest version. In fact even with the last 3, some of the gen 2 pokemon were prohibitively hard to find and this gen started introducing multiple event legends.

Shit pokemon distribution was another issue, there were a lot of pokemon that were flat out unsatisfying to use ingame in the dex. Pokemon that are fun ingame typically have good offenses and good coverage, R/S/E introduced a shitload of defensive pokemon. The metagame became EVEN MORE defensive than it was in G/S/C. It only redeemed itself after FR/LG made Larvitar and the infamous TyraniBOAH set possible, and even that was far from a perfect solution to the ubiquitous skarmbliss and crocune bullshit.

Gen 3 added a lot of good stuff in retrospect but felt fucking dogshit at the time. Gen 4 fixed most of its worst issues and made offensive teams way better, the single player was still shit but the games were miles better.

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>>25687354
>This shitty because one person acted like a "fanboy".
You know that's one asshole in the thread, right? Stop generalizing. That's what pisses me off the most, "I hate x gen mostly because the fanboys won't shut up." Then stfu about your precious x Gen yourself, then we'll talk.
Btw, I love Gen 3 (Emerald) but I'm not going to cut your throat open just because you dislike it yourself. I rather just play the gen I love the most instead.

>>25688851
desu two regions was the original infinite quests

>>25688980
An absolute collapse in single player difficulty which was already quite low, mega evolutions completely fucking up the meta and amplified by the fact that Nintendo uses 3v3 for the ranked ladder play where countering megas is a complete fucking shitfest diceroll.

Megas and no 6v6 online without retards spamming legendaries are what truly break it for me. Power creep was already bad in 5th gen but megas just shattered any balance these games had.

>>25688980
For me, Gen 6 could have been gen if it had a fuckin' decent postgame and a lil more difficulty in the main game.

I'm sure most people on here would agree. /vp/ was having a blast playing it until we made it to the end. Eventually breeding got boring even for the autists.

It really begs for a third version, but it looks like Game Freak has other plans. Such a shame.

>>25687354
>being this fucking condescending AND an avatarfag

leave anytime

>>25689364
Chill the fuck out

>>25689261
Just seems pretty convenient.

This entire thread is shitposting anyways,

>>25689345
Unless SM are the 3rd version just like BW2

but I don't think they'd do that for the 20th anniversary

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Gen3 fag here, AMA

Started with yellow, played every gen up to 5 plus ORAS. Put the most hours, by far, into Ruby over any other version of any gen. Gen3 is my favorite and I'm willing to defend this position.

>>25689536
>AMA
So how's your sex life?

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>>25688756

It was a lot closer to this for me, though the first panel was middle school for me

>>25689536
>ruby
>not at least Emerald

>>25689536
Most of the people here are just kids who quit playing after pokemania only to come back for Gen 4 crawling out of the woodwork.
also
>Not Emerald

>>25689572

It's not that I "stopped playing", I just never had a DS, I only got a 3DS when that came out so I got Platinum one day at a convention.

>>25689557
Inactive :^)

>>25689566
Never played Emerald; never played any "third" game in general actually, except Yellow. I put so much time into Ruby there was no reason for me to get it. For some reason I always considered third series games to be non-canon, or DLC, because they always deviated slightly from the original stories, even though in terms of features they generally improved the experience.

>>25689572
See above

>>25689566
>>25689572
Not the guy, but I myself put like 500 hours into Ruby and ~400 hours into two Emerald carts combined. It was mostly put in before Emerald was a thing.

>>25689565
yeah i normally refer to this

>>25689615
the third game is always better
desu most of the time there's no reason to get the initial ones

>>25689615
You have it absolutely backwards though, the most recent version of the game is always the Canon one

>>25688302
Maybe it didn't because even though it made a lot of progress it also added less features than Gen 2 and took away the Day/Night cycle.

>>25689640
It's just a product of the release date

I buy the games when they first come out. The third versions always come out later at which point I've already played this gen, no real reason to replay the same gen for just a few minor features

>>25689685
That's fine, I was just pointing out that any changes to characters or story in third versions/remakes are always canon

>>331779663

Indeed.

I am a vet for Source version of Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45.

I can tell you without hesitation that the servers I played on, even the pubs, had people working as a team. Something that I miss dearly. Your average pubber could sometimes coordinate with some actual degree of efficiency.

I miss having valiant commanders and squad leaders aim us to victory. I miss leading the charge with smoke grenades, pushing onward forth towards the enemy.

On two occasions especially where I played as commander, I and the others whom that actually followed me routed the hated foes. I shit you not, routed them in quick succession. On the flipside of the coin, I had the pleasure of working with competent teammates whose orders didn't always get you killed. These moments were rare, but they existed at least.

In Red Orchestra: Heroes of Stalingrad on the other hand? You're lucky if you manage to have a SL lead an actual squad. The mechanics in the game essentially make them glorified mobile spawn points and nothing more, no encouraging actual teamwork. To say the least, the community is lesser than that of its predecessor, that much I am certain.

>>331779765
Fucking this.

Then you have the fucker who just shoots you while your directing arty as commander. Or worse, the jackass who says "It is just a game man, chill out." Mind you, this individual is doing nothing to help the team, not pushing whatsoever but staying back. Or not defending.

>>25689814
Wrong board there, anon.

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>>25686156
>Gen 5 was also incredibly nostalgia heavy. In a way, Gen 6 is the GSC to Gen 5's RBY.

>>25689814
Hahahaha

How did you even manage to fuck that up?

>>25689814
ANON RECCOMEND ME SOME GOOD RTS GAMES BEFORE YOUR POST IS KILL

>>25686010
> there's obviously a reason.
Kids got older.

People try to look for a reason by analyzing the actual games but it's pointless.


>>25685995
/thread

>>25686209
>People actually care more about the main drawing point of pokemon

>>25689917
Catching?