Why do people hate Klefki? Great design and viable in battle.

>tfw no cute klefki key ring

You can buy limited edition Nintendo ones for like $60 but I can't justify spending that much on a key ring

Its very trendy to hate new Pokemon based on objects.

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>tfw I don't dislike a single Pokemon design

Genwars are for literal fuckwits.

>>25625725

You can't be fucking serious, and in fact I'm 100% convinced OP is trolling with this shit.

Pokémon's designs went to absolute shit well before XY, but shit like this just seals the fucking coffin.

I swear its like they're deliberately designing these things to appeal to children, fucking deisgusting.

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>>25625823

>>25625823
There's nothing wrong with Klefki's design.
>I swear its like they're deliberately designing these things to appeal to children
Pokemon games are main demographic are children.

>>25625834
>not liking muk's design

Spotted the child

>>25625823
You're just mad because Klefki stole your keys.

>>25625862
>s-stop disliking what I like!
>you must be underage!
Mind you, I like Muk, but it's still a lazy design. The anime and 3D sprite helped its case though.

>>25625725
>muh Pokemon must be based on animals
>why did they designed a Pokemon based on inanimate object? FUUUUUUUUUUUG

Would someone mind posting the design arguement Bingo card? I can tell this thread is going to be a blackout occasion.

>>25625886
>reeeeeeeeeeeee stop pointing out my shit opinions

>>25625823
They are designing these to appeal to children.
They always have.

It looks like a baby toy. Definitely up there as one of the worst designes in pokemon, and convincing yourself otherwise is just going to fuck gen 7 with the same shit.

>>25625725
Because the pokemon fandom is full of furfags who complain about anything that isn't an animal.

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>>25625756
Should got then when they were like 20 bucks

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Do people think that the keys are physically a part of Klefki?
They know Klefki is a fairy that steals keys, right?

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This is a Pokemon based on two man-made objects: The compass and the Moai heads

Nothing about this Pokemon should be alive or sentient

>>25625862
>Hates cool concept of a fairy that steals keys and thus looks like a key ring (the keys aren't part of the actual Pokémon in case you were an idiot)
>likes pile of sludge that turns into bigger pile of sludge with an angry face


My nephew could come up with a better design than muk and he's 2
It doesn't even have a creative name

>>25625725
>great design

Maybe if it played more with the whole "being a fairy that steals keys" thing. As it stands right now it's just a keychain with eyes

What a terrible design

>>25625973
>Inorganic Pokemon exist

>>25625904
They weren't even complaining you dumbass. They said they LIKED muk but it was a lazy design, but the Anima and 3D HELPED IT


god can you even read?

>>25625834
>>25625854
>>25625878
>>25625907

Falling for the bait.

>>25625975
>hates cool concept of pollution coming alive, as a social commentary of the dangers of pollution withh a simple but charming and clever name
>likes a keychain with a face

I can also do ebic strawmen, anon

>>25625981
It's great as is. Do you want it to be humanoid or something?

>>25625999
One punch man did a better job of creating pollution coming alive

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>>25625985
My point exactly, if keys, gears, ice cream or trash trigger people they should be bothered by sentient rocks, magnets, electromagnetic rocks and this thing

>>25625999
>charming

oh boy here we fucking go with the meaningless subjective buzzwords

>>25625999
>muk
>charming

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This thread is going to devolve into Genwars isn't it

>>25626004
I want more stylization. Maybe having hands that are closed together, anything that makes it look a bit more interesting. As it is now it's a keychain with a face. They did more with magnets on Magnemite, no reason they shouldn't do it on Klefki

>>25626030
I just want to sleep until next month and the corocoro leak.

>>25626029
No anon you don't understand, if it came out when he was a kid it's automatically charming and if it comes out later when it stops being the cool new fad then it sucks. That's how it works.

>>25626054
>I don't like [new gen pokemon]
>ur le genwun!!!111!!one!!1

Following that train of thought you're clearly an underaged kid if you like klefki and hate muk, obviously because you were not around for Muk's magic

>>25626068
>Muk's magic
Anon, it's a Physical Attacker

>>25625834

>criticize a pokemon
>B-B-BUT MUK!!!

every single fucking time with you retards.

Listen. Muk is a slime monster, which is one of the most established jrpg tropes to the point where it would be weird of pokemon DIDN'T have a pile of slime with eyes. Same with magnemite before you bring that up, machines are also common jrpg tropes. Same with voltorb before you inevitably bring that up, it's based off of a chest monster, which plenty of games have one of.

There is no fucking keychain trope though. They took a fucking keychain and gave it eyeballs, I will never be swayed that a pokemon is stupider than klefki. But if you want to keep false flagging by throwing gen 1 under the bus to indirectly imply nostalgia bias, at least go with something like exeggcute (which is actually seeds instead of just being literally eggs, but whatever)

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Hello is this the shitposting thread?

>>25626045
Sounds like that would clutter the design.
>They did more with magnets on Magnemite
By sticking generic magnets on it?

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>>25626084
>Generic JRPG tropes are a necessity

You're the type of person that tries to suppress creativity, aren't you?

>>25626089
Not really and even if it did, more detail is not exactly bad. Overdesign only happens when unecesary details are tacked on

>By sticking generic magnets on it?
If magnemite was designed like Klefki it would literally be a horseshoe magnet with eyes

>>25626084

Pack it up boys, we're done here

>>25626084
Although Pokemon are inspired by Yokai in Japan and there are kinds of inanimate object Yokai. From Muk to Klefki are less JRPG tropes and more cultural folklore.

>>25626104

I'm not saying everything has to be a trope, I'm just justifying WHY they created a slime monster with eyes, because inevtiably people will always act like there is literally no difference between muk and klefki. They are not

I don't care if you like klefki, but stop pulling this "YOU CAN'T LIKE X POKEMON IF YOU DON'T LIKE Y!"

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>>25626150
It's because your reasoning for things has to be in your specific imagination and not just because you don't like the design

You're justifying bad designs saying they are a necessity while saying other bad designs are bad because you feel they aren't

Tell me, what trope is this thing from?

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>>25625725
According to a lot of /vp/ generations are like a wine, they get better with age and it's easy to fit in by hating [current gen]

>>25626119
Adding anything more to Klefki would be overdesign. It's meant to be a Pokemon that looks like a keychain (likely to have inspired keychains in-universe) and steals keys. It's great as is. It doesn't need to not look like a keychain to be acceptable.

>If magnemite was designed like Klefki it would literally be a horseshoe magnet with eyes
Which wouldn't be an issue if it was well-designed and visually interesting as Klefki.

>>25626140

>Yokai

implying YW designs arent shit tier as well

>>25626173

The only reasoning I'm using is "stop taking a fucking shoe and giving it eyeballs"

Again, not every fucking pokemon has to be a trope, but there are few justifications for "dildo with eyeballs" pokemon designs, and gen 1 pretty much used all of those up

>>25626194
>Yokai Watch invented Yokai

You guys are the reason its a miracle that 1990's era Nintendo even took the risk of trying to bring this franchise to the west to begin with.

I wish they would show klefki more often with no keys, and with its arms detached and splayed out.

It would probably be kind of creepy and more appealing

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>>25626207
Here's a better, more creative slime mon that came out in the same generation as Muk and Grimer. It transforms into other Pokemon and provides a nice niche that other Pokemon to this day still do not

Again, you can't seem to understand that your justifications for shit designs are only your opinion and the fact there ARE subjectively bad designs in every generation to date. I don't mind Klefki because I think it's cute, serves a niche that hasn't been done before and is still a new concept that hasn't been done again but better

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The only thing "bad" about Klefki is that Game Freak was lazy and didn't give them randomized keys from a pool of 10-20 keys.

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>>25626227
>tfw playing with Klefki in Pokemon Amie for the first time

>>25626239
FUCK YOU ANON.
FUCK YOU FOR POSTING THAT!
Why can't shit like that be real.
That crypt keeper is too cutey.

>>25626239
They saved all their creative, fashion assets for Furfrou

>>25626236

>it transforms

That has nothing to do with its design. Go ahead and like ditto more than muk, but there isn't much different than ditto's design than muk's other than it's cuter.

>>25626084
/threads over.

>>25626239
gibs me dat bejeweled one

>>25626273
Its ability means just as much as its design. You can't have a Pokemon like Garchomp and make it a defensive wall

The design should reflect on what it's capable of, alongside the surrounding lore based around it and where you can find it. Muk is a generic pile of toxic sludge come to life in the same generation we had Weezing, who is also a toxic cloud come to life with a much more interesting design. You have Ditto which is a more generic slime than Muk, capable of transforming itself into literally anything

It's not even a good design relative to the generation it debut in, generic RPG tropes or not

>>25625756
I got one an official one for around £10 with shipping. Loads of stores export from the pokemon center. (it's my favourite keyring)

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>>25625823
>>25625834
>>25625981
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this

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>>25626119
>If magnemite was designed like Klefki it would literally be a horseshoe magnet with eyes

I hate to be the one to break this to you anon, but Klefki isn't literally a key ring with eyes. If that's what you're seeing when you look at it then you either have vision problems or, more likely, you're suffering from some kind of mental disorder that impairs your perception of reality. You should probably see a doctor immediately. I'm worried about you anon, please seek help.

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>>25625823
>I swear its like they're deliberately designing these things to appeal to children
It is a children's game, anon

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Man, you guys love using the same arguments in these threads, huh?

>>25626631

nice meme anon

dont let reddit find out you stole it

>>25626647
What meme?

>>25626647
>"if i throw buzzwords around they might not find out I don't know what I am talking about"

>>25625786
100% agreed tobehonest family

>>25626188
Since you so adamantely cling to the "kelfki is a fairy that looks like a keychain to steal keys", it would make sense to make it more organic-looking. It's meant to look like a keychain, not to be a keychain with eyes, which is what the design conveys

>Which wouldn't be an issue if it was well-designed and visually interesting as Klefki.

There is nothing remotely interesting about Klefki. It someone used it on a obscure RPG as some item called "Keychain of Destiny" no one would bat an eye

>>25627024

> It someone used it on a obscure RPG as some item called "Keychain of Destiny" no one would bat an eye

Well if most any pokemon design appeared as a monster in "a obscure RPG" no one would bat an eye either.

>>25626637
>liking Garbodor or Vanilluxe is being "contrarian"
I don't think that whoever made this knows what contrarian

>>25627024
If it were organic looking that would eliminate the need for it being a Steel type

That's like saying Geodude should look like an animal

>>25627066
There is no outright "need" to be a Steel-type and even if it did, looking more alive, and not just an object with a face doesn't mean it can't be a steel type: see Aggron and Lucario

>>25627093

>keychain themed imaginary creature
>shouldn't look like metal

Its one thing to not like the concept, but its another thing to insist that the design "should" have been something that literally misses the original theme the designer was going for.

>>25627093
Magnemite's a floating eyeball with magnets and screws on it
Skarmory is a bird with wings made of blades
Scizor is a mantis coated in metal
Mawile is a Fairy with iron horns shaped like a mouth

There's plenty of variety. Hell, Sableye likes eating gems so much its eyes became gems. Isn't it fair for a little, weird fairy fuck to find interest in and collect items it resembles?

>>25627126
The designer already missed the mark, if the "it's a fairy that disguises as a keychain" is the concept to go by, because looking at it, I don't see a fairy posing as a keychain, but rather a keychain

And your point is that being more organic means it can't be Steel-type which is wrong. It could easily have more elements in his design (like hands, I think there was evena sketch somewhere) while retaining the aesthetic

>>25627059
They're pretty aware. Vanilluxefags are especially hipster cunts

I never seen a Vanilluxefag outrgiht defend it, they just shit on as many Gen 1 pokémon possible and try to drag everyone down to the shit realm where Vanilluxe is

>>25625823
>No one apparently getting the sarcasm
>Gets out

>>25627160

>I don't see a fairy posing as a keychain, but rather a keychain

It's a magical being that is supposed to look like a keychain.

It's supposed to look like a keychain.

Your complaint is that the design is flawed because it looks too much like a keychain.

The point is that it literally is SUPPOSED to look like a keychain.

> I don't see a fairy posing as a keychain, but rather a keychain

That's the exact purpose of the design.

Its a keychain yokai/tsukumogami. You can not like that fact, but you can't complain that it fails in its purpose for looking TOO MUCH like a keychain, when it is explicitly SUPPOSED to look like a keychain.

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>>25627024
>I know what the design was MEANT to be better than the people who came up with the concept and created the result

>>25627217
Looking like something doesn't MEAN being exactly looking like something

Example, Foongus. It has the Pokéball aesthetic without being a literal pokéball with eyes. It's a good design because while it fullfills the gimmick mimic, it looks alive, and not like a prop that somehow made its way into becoming a pokémon

Klefki doesn't even go there, not even close

>>25627160
>I don't see a fairy posing as a keychain, but rather a keychain
Then it's doing a really fucking good job posing as a keychain isn't it

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>>25625786
I'm with this guy.

Although I havesome issues with Aromatisse, but nothing too serious.

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>>25625786
I appreciate your mentality but must inform you that your taste is garbage

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>>25626239
I love this kind of pictures. When (if) GF will finally implement breeding/zone skins I'll be a merry motherfucker.

>>25627244

>>25627244
>>25627244
>it looks alive, and not like a prop that somehow made its way into becoming a pokémon.

But Klefki is SUPPOSED to look like a Pokemon that looks like an inanimate object. THAT IS THE SPECIFIC AND DELIBERATE INTENTION of the people who designed it.

Lets say for example, that there was a hypothetical Pokémon that looked like a teacup to trick people by stealing their tea.

Lets say that this Pokemon was based on Japanese folklore in which spirits can take on forms resembling inanimate objects for the purpose of disguise or deception.

Would it then be reasonable to complain that this hypothetical Pokemon, which is SUPPOSED to look like a teacup, was badly designed because it looks like teacup?

If you just said "i fucking hate Klefki's design and concept", I could deal with that opinion, but you're making bizarre arguments that make absolutely no sense and go from being opinion to objectively incorrect.

>>25627327
And that's just lazy and unispired. The designer instead of making a mimic that fullfills both being a mimic and looking alive, simply drew a keychain, gave it a face and said "lol guys it's a mimic lmao"

The concept itself it not so terrible, but the execution is. Also Klefki is not a Yokai, since by your admission it's a mimic, not a possessed object. Honedge is probably more up your alley for that

>>25627349

>>25627349

>since by your admission it's a mimic

I never said that.

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>STILL shitting on pokemon designs
Fine, get a bigger load of it

>>25627349
>The designer instead of making a mimic that fullfills both being a mimic and looking alive, simply drew a keychain, gave it a face and said "lol guys it's a mimic lmao"
It looks pretty alive to me.
Sometimes the simplest approach is best.

>>25627349
There are Pokemon that are literally coconut seeds, rocks, generic fish, Nicki Minaj, the Roman Alphabet, a rock pretending to be a tree, a duck so rare it can still fight and a sunflower seed that happens to be the weakest creature in existence and you choose to be triggered by a fairy shaped like a key chain that collects keys

Why not just hate all Pokemon because they're based off something else

>>25627387
It's alive in the same sense that glueing googly eyes to random objects makes them look "alive"

>>25627366
You stated several type that is supposed to look like a keychain to hunt keys or whatever, That's textbook definition of "mimic"

"this cartoon fairy keychain monster from a children's video game should have looked more convincing"

>>25627417

That wasn't me anon.

Turns out that they're multiple people using 4chan simultaneously.

>>25627417
You have a weird definition of mimic.

>based on pagans blaming the loss of small items on fairies
>just a floating key fairy
Honestly just wasted potential for a cool concept.

>>25625823
>tfw the entirety of neo-4chan is too far up their own ass to understand the concept of a joke

Klefki is my favorite pokemon, epic design and great typing and move pool. BTW I played every gen since the 90s and love pokemon from each gen. I think muk I'd pretty cool too

But seriously, why do some people hate the Mineral egg group

>>25627808
Because they think Pokemon have to based on animals or be organic in some way.

>>25626559
where, fucker?

>>25627825
I agree to some degree.
Klefki
Chandelure
That fucking gear Pokemon is when I kind of lost it

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>>25625786
amen

>>25625725
>Great design
Literally a key ring. The design I hate the most.

Anyone eho has fought or fought with Klefki knows how well it fits. Prankster fairy is one of the biggest assholes in the game. As it should be.

>>25625786

Oh come on, even if you don't believe in genwar bullshit, there's some designs that feel kinda halfass.

Klefki though I personally don't think is one of them.

I just wish it didn't have the key-shaped parts on its body.

>>25627415
Nobody hates those because they suck, so they can safely forget about them.

>>25630738
They aren't apart of its body. >>25626256

>>25630755
I meant the ones on its body. The weird horn thing and keyhole.

>>25626150
It's more like "You can't bitch about this if you're ok with this".

>>25625725
I like it

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>>25627283
The Kyurem formes look fine though. They're supposed to look like imcomplete messes, as all the dragons are not fused into one yet. People who hate them for not winning beauty contests are the ones with objective bad taste.

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I dont hate Klefki. Im the guy that picks the weirdest looking pokemon that make no sense. I wish klefki had an evo

>>25625823
It's just like they ate appealing to children! It's almost like we're a playing a children's game!!!

>>25626592
Fucking awesome designs. They're yokai, not Pokémon, so they look awesome for what they are

>>25625786
I'm with you 100%.

Only guff I have is with M-Slowbro.

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>>25625834
I love how newfags gets attacked with "ice cream, trash, and key Pokemon is stupid pieces of shit" and they go; "lel, you had Kum and Pokeball Pokemon, fuck off genwunner!!1!" when they fail to realize, WE THINK THAT WAS SHIT TOO. It was shit then, so why is this shit DEFENDED now? Stop defending shit Pokemon designs, faggot. It happened in Gen 1, it shouldn't happen again after Gen 1.

>>25635484

>They're SUPPOSED to look like shit, so it's okay.

>>25637497
>They're yokai, not Pokémon, so they look awesome for what they are
then in this case i say that klefki looks awesome for what it is a, keychain

>>25638118
Did you not read his post? It's an incomplete fusion. They are supposed to look like freaks of nature, because that's what they are: Freaks of nature. An unappealing design does not equal a bad design.

>>25638106
A thousand times this.
I seriously don't understand why some people resort to saying "But there were shit Pokémon in Gen 1 too!" Like anybody's disagreeing with that. Yeah, there were a lot of shoddy designs back then, why is that an excuse for still having them now?

Kling's line and Klefki are the worst designs of them all, because they got Pokémon mixed up with Yo-Kai.

>>25638140
It'd be a very neat keychain, right? Shitty Pokémon though.

>>25638106
I love how newfags think this is a new thing

>>25638519
Nowhere did he imply that was a new thing.