GYARADOS MOVED FROM OU TO UU

>>24944402
Doesn't look like much to me

>Sylveon and Conkeldurr are still OU
>Ambipom is still RU

>>24944402
Back in my day there was 4 tiers. Ubers, OU, UU and NU. Explain this overbloated nonsense.

>>24944518

RU - Between UU and NU
PU - Below NU

>>24944402
>Charizard moved from UU to RU
That slow decline back to nothingness has begun.

>>24944402
So almost exclusively mons affected by new mega ranking rules.
Booring. But maybe good for metas on the long run.

>>24944402
Mega Gyarados just barely missed the cutoff for a quick drop but it will probably drop next month, assuming UU doesn't ban normal Gyara by then.

>Gyarados in my UU
fuck
Time to start packing Mow-Rotom instead of Heat.

Why did they even decide to tier Mega and non Mega forms differently anyway? It makes things so much more confusing.

>>24944639
It was a fantastic idea, honestly. Some base forms are so radically different from their Mega forms as to be entirely different Pokemon. See: Heracross.

>>24944518
>implying Ubers wasn't anything but a glorified banlist back then

>>24944664
it still was a banlist until megafug showed up

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>>24944402
why are some mons more used in OU but are used less in the tier they belong to?

>>24944712

Megas

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>>24944402
>Charizard moved from UU to RU

>>24944712
Such as?

>>24944738
Im looking mainly at fighting types i see machamp used more in ou but less in uu compared to heracross

>Charizard moved from UU to RU
I haven't been on /vp/ for a while and I don't pay attention to Smogon.

What the fuck happened to the megas?

>>24944850
Charizard specifically is RU. Megas count as a different Pokemon.

Did anything move to OU?

>>24944856
Ah, that makes more sense now.

How many more hours before it gets quickbanned from UU? I'd say six tops.

>>24944402
Im so fucking glad the slow fucks finally allowed megaless forms to drop to certain tiers. That being said
>Charizard still not NU
Still waiting to build sticky web charizard eggxecutor core

>>24944734
Nothing funny about it. The thing was NU just last gen, we're only waiting for it to be useful again

>>24944842
it probably has to do with what pokemon can counter what in that tier. theres probably more counters for machamp in uu then there are in ou. its like bringing in a bronzong into ubers just to check xerneas. this is just an example.

Blaze, Blaziken WHEN?!?!

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>>24945208
>we're only waiting for it to be useful again
So you're just going to disregard its two (2) Megas?

>>24946243
are you this dumb bro really?

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>>24946243
>Charizard needed TWO Megas just to be OU
How pathetic.

>>24944712
Counter different things. Quagsire hardwalls several OU threats but not many UU or RU threats.

>>24944734
And it'll keep going to NU maybe even PU.

>>24946211
literally never, because of retards like you that constantly bitch and whine about it.

>>24946243
Megas are now counted as separate pokemon. Char-Y in UU BL soon.

>>24945208
that's why i was laughing, the drop to NU should have been immediate

>>24945146
They said they weren't going to Quickban it on the forums, so expect it around for a while.

>>24946211
Honestly I feel like non-Mega Blaziken could be suspected at this point, there are so many things now that resist its Dual STAB and can even take coverage moves at +2 or outspeed and OHKO (Altaria, Slowbro, Azumarill, Talonflame)

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>>24944537
Welcome to my world. It's all downhill from here, baby.

>>24946321
This. It's not like there's an entirely new type that resists Fighting or anything.

You guys realize this is base Charizard, no mega, right?

Mega Charizard is still a big threat. And in fact is annoying as fuck because you have to guess Y or X. And there are two variants of X-Zard, with the bulky one countering the counters for the DD one.

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>>24944402
>UU cant handle Crawdaunt

>Gyarados in UU
Oh thats going to last 5 minutes

>Captcha is Waterfalls
Fucking ha.

>>24944402
gyarados is probably gonna move up to BL sooner or later. the thing was already really fucking good without its mega in OU

>diancie was in uu
>charizard was in uu
>manectric was in uu
lmao

still a better metagame than vgc

>>24944402
Diancie dropped? Hmm, that could be interesting in RU. Kinda doubt it has enough bulk to survive long there, though.

>>24946403
You do know that UU unbanned Crawdaunt right?

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>>24946863

>>24945208
Only because Stealth Rock was far too broken. Now that Defog exists, Charizard's greatness won't be hindered as much by it anymore.

>>24944402
Way to go Pelipper!
OU here we come!

>>24947001
Let's be real
He didn't lie
Smogon is unofficial

>>24946321

You literally named the only pokemon that can check Blaziken in OU. When will you fuck faces realize that a Pokemon having a couple shaky checks means nothing when the cost to sweep with Blaziken is almost non existent. Blaziken had checks when it got banned, nothing has fucking changed. The biggest loss to Blaziken was the baton pass nerf as that had no counters.

>>24946260
The only reason Serperior is anywhere outside of PU is because of "le smugleaf xD" fags spamming usage for the meme HA Leaf Storm set. It's still not actually a good Pokemon, because it's a mono-Grass type with a shitty movepool and mediocre offenses.

>>24947185

Wrong

Serperior got banned from NU, rose to UU, got banned from UU, then rose to OU via usage

It's not being spammed, it's legitimately a good mom that just requires support

>>24947185

All Serperior has to do is come in on one of those 4x weak to grass bulky water shitters or a pokemon weakened enough that will die to STAB Leaf Storm(which is a lot) and then there's almost no stopping it. Whatever you switch out to will still get hit and boost its attack unless it has Sap Sipper, then I hope you're bulky enough to survive the Dragon Pulse/HP Fire/Ground.

Yes, Serperior isn't perfect. Talonflame destroys it. But "it's not actually a good pokemon?" Seriously? It boosts for free and after 2 boosts it's an absolute monster.

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>>24947225
>i-it's legitimately a good mom that just requires support!
>a-after 2 boosts it's an absolute monster!

>>24947267

Most mons require support.

>>24947267
Look at it this way: Serperior has Nasty Plot with a 130 BP Grass move tacked on. Almost any shitmon would be broken with that sort of bullshit.

Serperior isn't good in the "It strategically fits on lots of teams and can fulfill many roles" way Heatran, Landorus-T, and Scizor are good. Serperior is good in a "Repeatedly do broken things until my opponent is overwhelmed" good.

>>24947199
Freudian slip?

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>>24947310
>Grass move
Yeah... it's shit.

>>24944518
>more pokemon = more tiers

Gee such a hard concept

>>24944518
PU is basically a joke tier and RU was pretty much needed considering the growing amount of mons.

>>24944402
What's the big deal? Megas are tiered differently anyway, how does this even change anyth
>Pelipper moves up a class
NOICE

How does it even make sense to tier Megas and base forms differently? You can't even use Megas without their base forms.

I assume they determine usage for non-Megas by just checking they aren't holding a Mega Stone, right? Gyarados in particular is a fantastic example of a Pokemon that you might never actually Mega evolve in a match - despite giving it its Mega Stone - just because its different abilities and typing between forms serve very different purposes (ie. you might keep Gyara just for Intimidate's utility).

>>24947519
>How does it even make sense to tier Megas and base forms differently?
>because its different abilities and typing between forms serve very different purposes
That's why, though obviously they aren't going to let shit Megas like Latios drop below the base form in tiers. It's just so Pokemon that don't belong in OU and UU aren't stuck there soley because they have a good mega.

>>24947519

Look at Mawile. Shit is like PU/NU. Then the Mega jumps it to Ubers.

Do you honestly believe faggots should not be allowed to use Mawile ANYWHERE just because it's got Mega Mawile? Same goes for Lucario. Lucario always had this stupid movepool but it's not that strong anymore. It MIGHT be able to hang in OU, as a situational revenge killer and sweeper, but not really. Do you think it shouldn't be usable anywhere because of Mega Lucario?

Classifying Megas as separate from the base form makes complete sense. It's how it should have been from the start.

>>24947356
Literally one move. You can run whatever hp you want and it will probably kill after the switch-in leaf storm.

>>24947444
PU is a official tier now. We legit now.

>>24947185
You don't really know what you're talking about, do you? Serperior is ranked A in OU.

>>24947519
>Gyarados in particular is a fantastic example
if Gyarados is Life Orb'd, you dont need to save your bulky fighting type and can reliably Stone Edge it/bring in Rotom-W

Mega gyarados, even if it never evolves, has the potential and the mindgames to change forms just as any other Pokemon that changes forms, except Megas can change in battle unlike most* form changers.

>>24947356
>le Grass is the worst type meme

So December stats are out, and WTF is this.
52 | Zapdos | 3.23017%
> 53 | Seismitoad | 3.20358%
54 | Sylveon | 3.16326%

I feel like I have some weird opinons on what probably should and shouldnt be in ou. I honestly think that Manaphy should move back up to Ubers. It still can set up pretty easily if you go with a HP Def set, and its calm mind set just ends the game if it can get to cm in.

I also think that Deoxy D should be in OU, its just not very bulky and it has a shit typing. I mean its a complete joke in Ubers, and I didnt think it was very good still when it was suspected.

>>24948380

Bringing Deo D back down would make Mega Sableye skyrocket

>>24948399
I dont think it would, I still think I would prefer plenty of other pokemon as a tank or setter, and I think it wouldnt see much use

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Goddamn Smogon is so fucking dumb now.

>>24948377
Well I'd say its Seismitoad

>>24948380
>I also think that Deoxy D should be in OU
retard alert retard alert

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>>24944402
>Charizard moved from UU to RU
So, once he reaches NU again, how useful will he be in there?

>>24944402
i give it a couple days till dos is BL
BL land of flying types

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>Singles

>>24948739
isnt VGC just about to get anal fucked by Primal Groudon and Xerneas

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>>24948743

You are right as well, most shit won't be "useful" now with the power creepers joining.

>>24948757
So every team will be Mom, Don and Xer.
Who will be the other 3?
Genies+Cresselia?

>>24948770
probably heatran

i kinda was use lugia

>>24946321
gyarados aswell Blaz never runs Edge and T punch anymore

>>24948770
Crobat is good against Xern. Unflinchable and taunting.
Alternatively Spore and Dark Void spamming.

>>24944402
Someone explain Pelipper moving up a tier to me.

>>24949095
bulky defogger with scald

>>24949095
It looks kinda pathetic on paper. But the ability to Defog and to Roost

You have to bear in mind that Roost disables the Flying type and its weaknesses. So only STAB and/or special electric moves are sure to bring Pelipper down. And remember it is PU we are talking about.

With Scald and/or Hurricane, it has STABs with a 30% chance to cripple your digimon.

>>24949176
*But the ability to Defog and to Roost is quite something.

>>24947566
>Do you honestly believe faggots should not be allowed to use Mawile ANYWHERE just because it's got Mega Mawile?

Kind of, yes. Because that's really not that different from saying that Greninja is only broken with Life Orb, so let's just allow non-Life Orb Greninja in OU without it. inb4 accusation of "slippery slope", it's actually not really much of a slope at all considering all you're doing with Mawile is banning a broken Pokemon/item combination (although to be fair there is the slight difference that Mawilite only works on Mawile).

I just think it's kind of ridiculous that a Pokemon that shows up in every OU match ever could also be usable in a lower tier. It kind of goes against the whole "no overcomplicated rules" thing that Smogn used to have, although I guess that's kind of gone out the window with all the other complex bans the past few Generations.

And while Mawile may be a great example of a Pokemon with a clear-cut distinction between broken/not-broken between its forms, its not much of a counter to my Gyarados example, where you might have a Gyarados holding a Gyaradosite in your party, but still never Mega Evolve it just because Gyarados itself is pretty good and it's Earthquake immunity/Intimidate are putting in my work in that particular match than anything Mega Gyarados could offer. Would you class that match as counting for Gyarados usage, or Mega Gyarados usage? It's a blurry line and I just think it's unnecessary. Are any tiers actually notably improved by bringing Pokemon down? From what I recall, Charizard wasn't exactly a world-beater even down in RU.

>>24949201
Well, UU has Metagross and Gardevoir now. Not sure how this affects the Tier, because I don't play it, but I guess it would change some things for sure.

>>24949201

> Would you class that match as counting for Gyarados usage, or Mega Gyarados usage?

If it is wearing the Mega Stone (and profiting from the Trick and pseudo Knock Off immunity), it's classified as Mega usage.
This isn't rocket science.

> Charizard wasn't exactly a world-beater even down in RU

Lower tiers are there so shitmons get the chance to shine.
Why shouldn't I be allowed to use my bros in PU when that's where they belong?

>>24949250

So it's classified as Mega usage even though you never used the Mega? What if my opponent didn't have Trick or Knock Off? My Gyarados was basically just itemless, then. Surely you can see why it's not as blatantly simply as you're making out.

>Lower tiers are there so shitmons get the chance to shine.

How is Mawile "not shining" by being Uber worthy? Seems pedantic to say that using your bros in OU somehow "doesn't count" if you're Mega evolving them.

>>24944734
Yeah, it's almost where it belongs, good times.

I dont get the Charizard bashing. I happens to have a 4 times SR weakness. Thats just bad luck.

Rock resistance becoming so important is really arbitrary. Imagine SR having Ground typing.
Would you laugh about Heatran?

>>24944402
Can someone tell me what PU even stands for?

>>24949289

> What if my opponent didn't have [X]

What if you have some defensive thing with Leftovers that never took a hit?
Clearly the Lefites don't count
What if you brought [Y] but never get the chance to switch it in because your opponent stroked before you got the chance.
Clearly the match shouldn't count for [Y]'s usage because it never did anything at all.

That's not how it works, if you bring shit to a match, it counts as usage.
If you refrain from actually using it is irrelevant.

> How is Mawile "not shining"

Mawile isn't uber worthy, the cancerous Mega is.

>>24949323
PU is Smogon's official lowest usage-based tier.
(Source: Smogon)

So its below NU, like "used rarer than never".

>>24949334
I've gathered that much, but what does the "PU" actually stand for?
Sorry senpai, smogon noob here.

>>24949335
It's the sound someone might make after smelling something horrible like let's say shit(mons)

>>24944850

They decided to seperate megas and their base forms, which in my opinion, is absolutely amazing for the lower tiers.

>>24946260

No it doesn't. Charizard X currently has enough usage on its own to be OU. Can't say the same about Y

>>24946952

It's unbanned...

>>24949323

It stands for nothing. It's a play on words, as in pee-yew. As in, the mons in it stink kek

Chesnaught & Mega Venusaur can hard check it. Otherwise, its still a nasty digimon to face.

I think its a good idea. One can finally fulfill his dream of sweeping with a Beautifly, kek.

Remember the times when Crawdaunt was a forgettable shitmon without any STABs for its attack?

>>24949365
>reading comprehension
>being retarded

>>24948471
It could become OU in the next months.
But why? Whats its niche?

>>24949425
dont see any. its swampert with water absorb, but worse stats.

>>24949425
It counters Volt Switchers like Mega Manectric and Rotom-W for bulkier teams and is an okayish defense to Thundurus and Manaphy as long they're not packing Grass Knot.

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>>24949425
a meme in smogon, seriously
it's a fucking shitmon


>Gyara in UU
probably mega is OU, but fuck UU is honestly a gold mine right now.

>Conk isn't UU
shame, it doesn't make it anymore in OU as he did, man, it used amazing pre ORAS and still okaish

>Sylveon
Honestly, dropping to UU will just make it go into BL then. SpecSylveon hitting so fucking hard it's not even funny.
Even as a cleric it's having a niche by being stronger and S.Def bulkier than Clefable.
I fucking love that cutemon

>>24949335
Probably Useless

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Sylveon and other cutemons should be placed in a new tier called CU.

>>24947185

Uh, no. Serperior is actually good.

>>24949576
lol

>>24949576
Its only good because of the hax ability push it got. Contrary is a fitting name for it, as it made what would be trash tier a top tier Digimon.

Otherwise, its utterly featureless, worse than Meganium.

>>24949643
Scizor would be pretty average with out technician
Azumarill be shit with out Huge power
Sylveon be shit with out pixilate
clefable be shit if it didn't have its 2 great abities
Nidos be shit with out Sheer force

let the snake have its fun

>>24949425
It goes on a stall team that's really easy to ladder with. It counter Volt-Turn pretty well too, and Volt-Turn is common mid and low ladder, and is usually annoying to play against.

>>24949323
Pathetic Usage.

>>24949662
These would still have niches without these abilities.

Serperior would not.

>>24950188
You're just being contrary on purpose, aren't you?

>>24949662
without*

>>24949335
Pee-Yew is a sound you might make when you smell a pile of shit, which is what anything in PU is.
it's a PUn

>>24949390
>literally one whole Gen

Meanwhile I remember when Gyara was that way
>has to use Dragon for physical attacks
>Only dragon move is Dragon Rage

>70BP hidden Power Flying gyarados is the only viable Gyarados

>>24949662
>Scizor would be pretty average with out technician
U-Turn isnt even boosted by Tech, Scizor was still really good in Gen 3 because its a fucking Steel type thats not weak to Ground. Iron Head and Bullet Punch are strong as shit even without Tech too.

>Azumarill be shit with out Huge power
Except AssVest SapSipper is still usable, as is Sitrus Drum.
>+6 252+ Atk Azumarill Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 8 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 362-427 (112 - 132.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Thick Fat Azumarill: 55-66 (15.1 - 18.1%) -- possible 6HKO

>Sylveon be shit with out pixilate
Arguable, but its still a good wishpasser. Not as great as Vaporeon, admittedly. Sylveon would be shit without Hyper Voice.

>clefable be shit if it didn't have its 2 great abilities
Not really. Unaware Clefable can handle opponents that dont rely on boosts pretty handily, the only real difference would be that Togekiss would be more valuable as Clefable wouldn't completely outclass it and so it might still be relevant.

>Nidos be shit with out Sheer force
I mean if they were stuck with Rivalry, yeah. If they had any useful ability, not really. Nidoking is still fast with a good attack stat and useful STAB + strong moves to use with it. The only issue is the lack of boosting.

The funny thing is, Unaware Clefable shits on Serperior
>+2 116 SpA Clefable Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Serperior: 290-342 (99.6 - 117.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
>252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. +2 248 HP / 8 SpD Clefable: 105-125 (26.7 - 31.8%) -- 27.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Serperior cant do squat to it.

>>24950250
dragon was special?

Speaking of Shitperior, why isn't it down in PU where it belongs? Contrary sounds good on paper, but it's shit if it can only boost Leaf Storm, which is already a shitty move.

>>24950312
>252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Tyranitar in Sand: 218-260 (63.9 - 76.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>+2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 296-351 (86.8 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

>leaf storm is shitty

How is Leaf Storm bad when its stronger than Hydro Pump or Thunder and has 100% acc?

>>24950321
Isn't it 90%?

>>24950321
>What is grass type, aka the worst offensive type in the game

>>24950329
we have to consider the bigger picture here

default leaf storm is a mediocre move, flawed in typing, effect and accuracy

contrary leaf storm is simple great

>>24950312
It got banned fron PU for being broken

>>24950312
>Speaking of Shitperior, why isn't it down in PU where it belongs?

because it doesn't belong in PU. There's a reason people keep using it. Stop being salty just because you were wrong about Contrary Serperior being shit.

>>24950309
No. He meant either Return, Eartquake or Hidden Power, Gyara's only physical moves pre gen4.

>>24944402

>Gyarados in UU

Can Feraligatr ever catch a break?

Like holy shit.

>>24950329
Bug's the worst offensive type, senpai. Fucking everything resists Bug. Poison is in second place, since it's only good against Fairies and grass and lots of stuff resists or is immune. I'd even say Psychic is worse than Grass offensively too, since Fairy is usually superior to Psychic attacks anyway. Grass isn't even in the top 3 for Worst Offensive Types.

>>24950571

Gatr has a solid use that Gyara doesn't

>>24950571

Gatr hits harder thanks to Sheer Force

>>24950283

Scizor wasn't good until gen 4 when it got an actual movepool outside of Baton Passing shit.

>>24950365
Contrary Serperior is shit though. Common pokemon like Talonflame and Heatran destroys it, and any steel type hard counters it.

>>24951208
>what are coverage moves

>>24951217
Something Shitperior doesn't have.

>>24951251
it has a hidden power against either heatran and/or steel types. and it wrecks them with it after +2.
dragon pulse reduces talonflame to 10% after stealth rock.

>>24951267
>after stealth rock
So a whopping 40% of damage on a Pokemon that will priority OHKO, huh? Ebin, simply fucking ebin.

>>24949643
fast subseed with passable bulk and coil, NU rather than meganiums below PU trash.
Good try though.

>>24951315
not that guy but I just drop a glare and then switch out.

Talonmeme does not appreciate this.

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>>24949643

>it's only good because of the traits that make it good
>people reply to low effort shitposts like these

>>24944402
Don't post advertising on /vp/
Smogon is a fanfic meta simulator, not official or even close to it.

Literally who cares.

You already have the fanmade forums to discuss these fanfic changes.

>>24950283
Replying to this one because they put a lot of effort into this shitpost.

But it isn't Gen 3. Scizor would be pretty underwhelming without Technician, it's not nearly as threatening without strong priority, you might see Scarf Scizor or some weird bulky Defog variant (70/100/80 isn't spectacular but it's alright).

If you're gonna suggest Sap Sipper Azu, at least don't give it a shitty set like Belly Drum. What is beating Abomasnow supposed to prove?
+6 252+ Atk Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Weavile: 225-265 (80 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Being unable to OHKO something as frail as Weavile at +6 is really sad.

Sylveon would be worthless without Pixilate.

What did you think the other great ability was? Cute Charm?
If Clefable only had Cute Charm it'd be pretty much Wigglytuff with a slightly extended movepool which isn't a good thing ;-;

I think Nidoqueen would still be decent with just Poison Point, honestly.

What... offensive CM Flamethrower Unaware Clefable? What planet are you from?

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>>24951251

>>24952377
>b-but it isn't
>in gen 3...
stopped reading here
le no physical/special attacks split meme that for some reason should count for current relevant gens

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>>24952347

>fanfic

And if you don't care, why are you posting in this thread? People don't express a lack of care by saying that they don't care. If they don't care about something, they just ignore it.

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>>24952546
>s-stopped reading
>le here
amidoinitrite?
is this how you pretend to argue?

>>24952567
>he thinks smogon is remotely official
that's not even funny anymore

>>24952568
good rebuttal
simply wow!

once proven wrong next step is sliding the argument

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>>24952578
Oh, if you wanna argue for real then please format your argument without using "le" ">muh" or "b-but" and other such maymays.

It's okay if you can't anon, I won't hold it against you.

>people arguing with Alomomola
Newfags.

>>24952588
keep sliding
or were you about to post "blaziken was good in gen 3 and gen 4 "

>>24952607
my... argument was literally the opposite of that.
and blaziken was worse in gens 3 and 4...

is this some sort of new-age bizarro funposting where everything's the opposite of what it is?

>>24952623
>but scizor would be still good
>except in an obsolete past generation
This is your argument :^)

>>24952631
I said that because it isn't Gen 3 Scizor wouldn't be as good.

Please answer this question honestly:
Are you legitimately not getting my argument, or are you just funposting?

>>24952652
Is this some bait?
Could you stop.

>>24952652
>has a mega with technician
?_?

>>24952664
No, it isn't bait.
Please answer my question honestly. That's all I want, I promise.

I guess you probably won't answer it. I'll assume the latter. 6/10, got me.

>>24952673
I was talking about Technicianless non-mega Scizor.
Mega-Scizor without Technician would still be decent, I think.

>>24952676
Yes it is, tastes like bait.
Stop.

>>24952676
fuck off faggot. no one likes you, not even your parents.

>>24952837
I like him

>>24948377
we pepe now

>>24944489
Ambipom should really be NU desu. It being one of the least, if not the least, viable pokemon in the RU tier it really should drop. People need to drop the misconception that this thing is good.

>>24953943

How do these things hang on? I remember it took forever for Hitmonchan to actually drop.

>>24944842
>I see Machamp in used more in OU
>160 | Machamp | 0.17447%
137 | Machamp | 0.46060% |
120 | Machamp | 0.92272%

lol

>>24953948
>How do these things hang on?

Bad players

>>24948377
Quaking Punch, bitch.

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>>24953988
>yfw Seismitoad gets QP ingame and it disables all held items for 5 turns

>>24953984
Are tiers not decided based on the usage of high-ranked players?

>>24953943
Ambipom should have been NU in gen 5.

>>24954014
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magic_Room_%28move%29
Heard of it? Probably not, it's shit. Just like that move would be. Do it anyways lel.

>>24954017
yes, but not high enough

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>>24949552
Another tier for Azumarill to rule? Sure, why not.
>>24954014
Or it could just be a Water-type Knock Off.

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>>24954046
A challenger appears!

Will Scizor ever leave OU?

I never thought I'd see Gyra in fuck UU

>>24944489
are u serious? conkeldurr is still strong as fuck.
when a pokemon is too good for UU it's BL or OU, easy is that.

what is PU meaning again?
Uber,OU,BL,UU,NU would be enough imo, all the other shit is just stupid.

>>24954154
>what is PU meaning again?

It doesn't mean anything, it's a pun.

Not sure why sylveon gets all the hate. I've been leading it with m-gengar on a vgc16 team on showdown and idk if its unexpected or whatever but hyper voice nukes both of their pokes more often than it should

>>24954245
I play Smogon doubles, Specs Sylveon is super dumb late game (people will kill it ASAP early game, but it's probably less threatened in VGC because only 3 pokes on field).
Literally "yell it to death: the Pokemon," and I love it for that. It just wins shit I should have probably lost, I've been inches from forfeiting and then I sweep 4 Pokemon with it.

dunno about in singles, don't see it, haven't used it, it's probably not that good there

>>24949201
it's technically a general ban for an item, keeping with the whole "simple rules" argument (IIRC, that's exactly how the ban is written, the item itself is banned, no "pokemon+item" combo ban)

as for usage, that's really simple: if you brought the stone, it counts
just having the option on the field at the time of battle counts

>Not using the S/A/B/C/etc system for tiers

i didnt even know gyarados was OU, good change i guess

>>24954460
>the option
Exactly. the option is what makes the Pokemon strong, not necessarily the function. In many cases, yes, there is at least a 99% chance a Pokemon+Mega stone will evolve but in some cases, especially Gyarados, the chance is a lot smaller but the option is always there.

Choice Specs Rotom can trick the specs on to you... but doesnt have to. It could also just Volt switch with the STABSpecs boost... or just Trick.
The option is always there, the necessity isn't. my Rotom example isnt very good but you get the point, I hope.

>>24954460
What EVs and nature is that Sylveon? I'm super tempted to try one now.

>>24950571
youll probably see more bulky dos like everything with intimidate does in UU

>>24947267
I'd be mad too if my shitmon was moved to RU

It's hilarious that Politoed went all the way from OU to PU in the span on one gen. Has that happened to anyone else?

>>24954949
clefable

>>24950283
Yeah, and Geodude shits all over Charizard after stealth rocks, your point? Everything has a counter

>>24954949
It would be BL if UU banned Politoed instead of just Drought.
>>24955014
Clefable was comfortably sitting in RU in Gen 5. It's never been OU material, but nowhere near a bad mon either. Even without a special STAB move to abuse you could've done pretty much anything you wanted with it, from wallbreaking to CM sweeping to the usual defensive roles. Special STAB was all it needed to be pushed into OU.