anyone else unnerved by the homogenization of the internet?

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>>23882
What the fuck are you talking about? The internet is as segregated as ever.

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I miss traditional internet forums.
It was always nice to be able to google some random, obscure hobby or interest and find at least one fan forum dedicated to it. It's just not the same with these modern social media.

>>23889
blame reddit,
want to make a forum for an obscure or niche interest? too bad theres a subreddit for that.

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>>23898
and reddit is gay homosex aids :(

>>23898
Good thing they banned their lolicon subreddit then.

Hopefully it's a bubble that bursts eventually.

>>23882
Yes

You kinda expected things like Twitter, YouTube and Facebook and 4chan to run their course by 2010-2011, but they're still around, and stronger than ever.
Seems like the old assumption that websites "rise and fall" has been a fallacy.

>>23967
It's because the internet (especially social medias) have become inseparably intertwined with the outside world and are now a big part of modern culture.

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>>23882
No, not at all.
Why would I be?

>>23970
Drop the fucking SJIS, you stupid faggot.

>>23898
Is that really that much different from googling an obscure interest and finding a zetaboard for it? At the end of the day it's just a platform (even though it is fairly flawed).

>>23978
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>>23984
I'm sure that works for most people, but I do not like the format of the site nor the people on it

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>>23882
I'm unnerved by the distinctive lack of Neps in this thread.

>>23992
N E P

>>23990
The format of the site is indeed flawed, but the people on the site is misleading. I dislike the people on /soc/, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying /vip/ and other boards. And /soc/ is more closely connected population wise to any given 4chan board than a small obscure subreddit is to their main boards, because we have links between boards and they only have links to the big ones.

I do think it would be better if reddit didn't exist but we're obviously far past that being an option.

>>23882
It's hard to tell how much of it is objective and how much of it is just the fact that my browsing habits have changed.

In the early days of my web browsing (2005), the experience was way more varied. Tons of weird little communities each doing their own thing. Now I pretty much only go on reddit, 4chan, and Facebook, and the culture across all of them is very homogenous.

I'm sure the smaller communities still exist, it's just that I don't visit them anymore.

>>24024
Some do, but there are fewer. I'm part of a couple.

i used to think of 4chan as a wild-west, post-apocalyptic settlement akin to Megatown in Fallout, but with the introduction of internet 2.0 folks from leddit, f/buk et al, i see us becoming more and more gentrified and less eunuch

that being said, even in modern america we see pockets of frontiersmen up in the mountains and down in the swamps, so i think we'll still have little communities of crazy /b/tards roaming these parts for years

>>24031
They are borderline impossible to find as well. If you weren't part of them long ago then good luck joining them now.

>>23882
I'm unnerved by Satorin's new smoking habit. Knock it off!

>>23882
>anyone else unnerved by the homogenization of the internet?
I think such a thing was only inevitable.

>>23882
It was the ultimate fate of the clearnet from day 1

>>24082
This is absolutely true. Both of the small communities in part of spun off from larger communities. And if you weren't there when it was made or during the periods where they were actively seeking members, it'd be all but impossible to find out they even exist.

It was always kind of hard to find them though. That's why shit like webrings existed.

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The trend I dislike most in the Internet is that no one wants to discuss anything anymore. Sites like Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr and even Reddit aren't about engaging with each other - it's literally just projecting yourself and your importance. Everyone wants to feel like a celebrity. The mainstream is beginning to feel more socially stunted and autistic than 4chan and IRC.

>>23984
>At the end of the day it's just a platform
since it centralized that means reddit at whole can influence it, it doesn't have its own distinct culture,

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>>23882
To a point, but I don't think it's quite as bad as some people say it is.
And some of it is for the better.

Like, internet porn is better than it's ever been, both quality and quantity is through the roof if you compare it to the 00's, especially the 90's.

Video streaming like YouTube is also just way better, in the 90's it was simply not a thing. Granted, Google handles YouTube like ass and I hate them, because they're a prototypical Cyberpunk megacorporation, but it's there, and I think it just needs a healthy competitor to grow.

>>23984
Kind of, but the posting format is absolutely retarded, the voting system begets the worst kind of faggotry and collusion, and the people who typically go to reddit are human refuse (which probably sounds funny coming from a chanwhore, but fuck you). It's also very censored.

>>24024
I stick to some of the smaller ones I find that are good.

Like, /vr/ has a quite healthy little community surrounding Doom (both classic and modding), but since not everyone who likes Doom or modding Doom goes to 4chan (or places like Reddit), a majority of community work and interaction goes on at the ZDoom forums, the Doomworld forums, then Zandronum forums.
And /vr/'s Doom community ends up having interaction with these communities, people from these communities come and talk Doom anonymously simply because they like anonymity sometimes, or content creators also come to talk about content there, even do and talk about development in those threads.

So 4chan has it's own slice of the classic Doom scene, but it ultimately can't replace all of it, and there's a (reasonably) healthy exchange between outside communities and the Doom threads.

>>23984
>Is that really that much different from googling an obscure interest and finding a zetaboard for it?
you dont have a choice on the format, an ultimately you are at the mercy of reddit's moderation, so its never truley your own board.

>>24310
The tech subcultures seem to depart from this at least somewhat, e.g. project- or language-specific IRC channels and their “off-topic” offspins.

In channels like #haskell-offtopic or #gentoo-chat or whatever, I mostly see people talking first and foremost about some (usually technology-related) discussion topic. Only rarely do people care who's behind a handle.

>>24381
>Kind of, but the posting format is absolutely retarded, the voting system begets the worst kind of faggotry and collusion, and the people who typically go to reddit are human refuse (which probably sounds funny coming from a chanwhore, but fuck you). It's also very censored.
And you have to register an account, which bothers me more than it should.

>>24381
i actually am on a small ~15 person forum with some friends and friends of friends from across the planet, and some girl recently posted that she didn't like how replies were nested under the post they were replying to (a la reddit) instead of being linear.
i wanted to say gtfo! but its a small forum so i'm trying to think of something more polite to say. i hate that shit.
every time i go on reddit, i want to like it because i have friends that do (and friends that hate it) but its so hard to navigate, and feels so... sterile because of the voting system. plus their jokes arent that good imo. not that i can post here without ignoring 99% of the stuff on 4chan.

>>24731
>i actually am on a small ~15 person forum with some friends and friends of friends from across the planet, and some girl recently posted that she didn't like how replies were nested under the post they were replying to (a la reddit) instead of being linear.
Do you mean the other way around?

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>>24717
I could settle for that, earlier web was all about accounts when it came to forums, the problem is that I absolutely HATE the community, culture, staff, and format/layout.

Reddit is just fucking bad, which is why I think people object to Reddit soaking up "community real estate" (for a lack of better phrasing).

>>24738
uh.... yeah. sorry. i mean the forum is linear, she wanted it to have nested replies.

>>24746
Nested replies is for faggots, tell her she's a whore.

>>24746
Personally I think a forum could easily present both interaces for those who are more used to one or the other

Both have their benefits and drawbacks. I think linear is better for ongoing discussions and following the chronology of events, and tree-based is better for following independent reply chains when trying to get up to speed on a thread you haven't been actively following.

That's pretty much the only good thing I can say about tree-based replies though. For anything where you actually want to participate in discussions, they're cancer

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>>24746
4chan X can do that.

>>24381
>internet porn is better than it's ever been
If your taste is terrible.

>>24717
>more than it should
I'd say it bothers you the correct amount if it keeps you wary or away. You shouldn't have to register for anything. It just trains people to hand over their privacy to require it, without increasing accountability at all. We're paying for this shit right here, and we didn't necessarily register for anything.

>>26701
monmusu porn has had an explosion in recent years so im not complaining

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>>26706
That has more to do with the anime taking off in Japan that with the homogenization of the internet. The internet could not suck without interfering with the availability of monstergirl prons, and we'd have two good things instead of one.

>>26701
>slow connection and a handful of options
vs
>fast connection and millions of options

Quantity and quality is better than it was in the early 2000's and the 1990's, internet porn was fucking weak until the last 10 years.

Unless you really fucking liked shady sites spreading artifacted images at half-size with aerisdies.com watermarks on them, incomplete sets and awful shitscribbles.

>>23889
Forums for specific hobbies and interests still exist.
>pic related

>>23889
There are lots of forums that are still active. Not sure why you think they're dead

>>26863
because he stopped using them and is now only browsing the big websites

>>26863
all the ones I use to go to are dead,

The only thing that sucks is that you have one company that controls a huge userbase. If you don't like the way a small interest forum is managed, at least that poor management doesn't affect other forums. Now, if you hate the way a site is managed, it affects huge amounts of users across interests.

They just need some competition so they have some actual fucking quality standards.

>>23882
What do you mean? In terms of standards or content?

>>27793
I think he's talking about sites like reddit that encompass huge amounts of interests vs having a different forum for everything

>>23886
>he just turned 18

>>27799
Hrm. I'm probably gonna get roasted for saying this, but Reddit actually does have some fairly interesting subs. It IS a huge circlejerk/echochamber though.

I do miss the old forums.

>>27792
Would be neat if tumblr got some competition so they could suck less.

I've never seen such a fucking bad staff for a social media site in my entire life, jesus christ they're so unbelievably bad at their fucking their job, this is a site where half of all registered users are actually porn spam bots, and where "the shoplifting fandom" (actual material damage to real people's lives) is protected under "free speech", yet racism (as in, mean words) can get some mod to just drop you off the site arbitrarily.

>>27832
The thing is not only do these sites have their name out there, but they also control all of the content.

Look at a site like youtube. People won't switch to better sites because all of their favorite creators are on that one site. In addition, people don't want to switch even when the alternative is better. I've heard tons of stories (and had my own experience) with trying to get people to switch from Skype to another platform. It's extremely difficult. I'd love to see competition for these sites (although I've never used tumblr so I'm not familiar with it) but I highly doubt that it will happen.

>>27940
>I've heard tons of stories (and had my own experience) with trying to get people to switch from Skype to another platform. It's extremely difficult.
The problem with this one in particular is that all of the Skype alternatives basically suck in terms of features.

(Although since Microsoft has started ruining Skype's UI, that's becoming less and less of a gap)

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Speaking of reddit, pic related, look at these cucks.

>>27940
>trying to get people to switch from Skype to another platform
The thing is, while Skype isn't amazing, what most people suggest is Discord, and I've found it's really not any better.

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>>28038
>The thing is, while Skype isn't amazing, what most people suggest is Discord, and I've found it's really not any better.
It seems a lot lighter on system resources, which is nice for vidya.

Point is that people get really set into one thing, which kills any hope for an alternative.

>>28087
>It seems a lot lighter on system resources
Maybe it's just my shit computer, or maybe it's because I mainly play Doom and emulated games on it, but I didn't find it to use a whole lot less system resources. The interface was also kind of fiddly.

It's very difficult to find alive BBS anymore on the western internet. >>23898 pretty much puts my idea of the problem into words in that you can discuss anything there and it's just handed to you, rather than having to seek out an obscure website, and register and make friends within that community. I even notice facebook groups making some old forums I used when I was younger now obsolete.

>>28277
I have a reasonably high end machine, though it's lacking in RAM, and I find Skype an utter mess compared to Discord. Discord is a very good program and I can only commend them for the functionality of it. However, I hate the way it's marketed towards the average Reddit user. Also, and this is not the devs fault, is the way people praise it as a new concept that hasn't existed previously, while IRC has been around since the 90s, but just hasn't been as popular recently because it doesn't present itself in an easily consumable package.

>>27940
Twitch users have this same issue. Twitch is utter garbage compared to Hitbox, but Twitch did it first, so they win. Really though the 'twitch chat' phenomenon makes me sick. Particularly the way people think it's acceptable to use emoticons (Such as Kappa) outside the website, when twitch wasnt even mentioned in the conversation.

>>23882
I actually find it fascinating. I've noticed that different boards tend to attract different types of people. I mean, that's obvious, but I've that about, you know, why that's the case. My current speculation is that initially, the subtle programmatic differences in these sites -- Reddit, Tumblr, 4chan, etc -- in themselves attract different kinds of personalities. Then, from there, it kind of creates a positive feedback loop of the same kind of people clicking each other's links.

What I'd like to know, assuming I'm even correct about any of this, is why Reddit attracts libertarian fedoras, why Tumblr attracts SJW's, why 4chan attracts racists and "alt-right" types, etc.

>>28350
Reddit is way more socialist leaning than libertarian leaning though.

>>28350
>is why Reddit attracts libertarian fedoras
I would argue more socialist, and it's because moderation and banning of people that question them.

>why Tumblr attracts SJW's
Because tumblr is *ALL ABOUT ME!* and SJWs are notorious attention whores.

>why 4chan attracts racists and "alt-right" types
Little moderation, anonymous, no banning for unpopular opinions.

>>23882
yes, anime wank everywhere

>>28399
Adults are talking.

>>28409
sorry, adults don't post fucking anime, are you serious dude

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>>28410
Yes.

>>28038
>look at these cucks.
im fairly certain that factitious.

>>28429
your image says "no"

>>28038
>The thing is, while Skype isn't amazing, what most people suggest is Discord, and I've found it's really not any better.
Discord is basically Skype 2.0. Another closed-source proprietary data-harvesting platform with 0 security.

>>28087
>It seems a lot lighter on system resources, which is nice for vidya.
Is it lighter than, say, TeamSpeak 3?

>>28350
>why 4chan attracts racists and "alt-right" types,
I don't think 4chan necessarily attracts racists, it just brings out the racism inherent in everybody by having free speech.

>>28458
>racism inherent in everybody
Sure thing Mr the internet psychologist.

>>27832
>>27940
>>28003
Users of these sites/services are to blame. They are the sort unable to use a search engine, and so uncomfortable with leaving their comfort zone, that they spend all their time imposing their standards on everyone and everything within sight of where their indolence has made them take root.

>>28452
Technically, it answers "are you serious, dude[?]" as yes.

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>>28347
>the way people think it's acceptable to use emoticons (Such as Kappa) outside the website, when twitch wasnt even mentioned in the conversation.
Just lets you know to ignore them that much faster. Particularly if you use custom CSS to highlight Kappa, Danduck etc, so you don't even need to read what they say.

>>28458
4chan doesn't have free speech, and never has. It has moderated speech and anonymity, which I actually like much better.

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>>28452
Actually, it says "REEEEEEEEE", but more articulately yet more abstrusely.

>>28347
>It's very difficult to find alive BBS anymore on the western internet. >>23898 # pretty much puts my idea of the problem into words in that you can discuss anything there and it's just handed to you, rather than having to seek out an obscure website, and register and make friends within that community. I even notice facebook groups making some old forums I used when I was younger now obsolete.
Moot actually gave a great speech about this at ROFLCon 2012. Absolutely worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
http://youtu.be/O5adlMZFVEA

>>28350
That's mostly confirmation bias. Reddit's redpill/libertarian/etc communities are about equal in size to its dedicated feminist/socialist parts (contrary to both your expectation and that of >>28361 and >>28396). Tumblr used to have notable white power groups and anti-feminists (though judging from this thread it seems they may have gotten around to banning the racists). 4chan may be alt right now but in 2008 it was solidly left leaning on social issues (more libertarian than anything).

All these things people start to think of as the nature of things are just the current state of things, which change with the passing of time.

>>28458
I guess it's true.

I try to understand everyone, and I argue for individual rights of all men, but I look at India, and I think to myself "My god what a bunch of filthy and barbaric throwbacks." though I'd say it's more their culture that disgusts me. I don't want to think of India that way, and I know there's good people there, successful people who help further mankind, but all the rape, all the feces, all the inherent state corruption and how every government program is some kind of scheme to fleece the state out of (tax) money.

I also really hate communists but that's not racism, that's just rational.

>>28567
>(though judging from this thread it seems they may have gotten around to banning the racists)
They don't, because that would involve having to do work, and tumblr staff HATE doing work, it's more that if you step on the wrong toes, someone who knows someone on staff could have your blog deleted, something which isn't even exclusive to racism, you can shittalk a feminist and the wrong person notices, then you're gone.

It doesn't happen all the time, but it happens enough to be noticeable. Also worth noting is that staff react to reports by quantity, not actual investigation, if something gets a shitload of reports (such as if you made someone with a lot of friends/followers sphincter spasmed, and they want you gone), staff will just assume that deleting the account is the right course of action, without actually investigating or doing any thought.

>>28602
>I try to understand everyone, and I argue for individual rights of all men
I don't. Trying to understand idiots does you no good.

>>28617
Well obviously you can't reason with everyone, but I try to at least see things from other's perspective, even if I disagree.

>>28602
I'm not much different from you I that regard. But I think it's worth making the effort to separate culture from race. I have Indian coworkers who are decent and intelligent human beings, so I know firsthand that it's not a problem with the race. That does not make te culture any less abhorrent. Cultural imperialism gets a bad rap but it seems plenty sane to me.

>>28350
I actually agree with this. Even if it hasn't always been this way as >>28567 said, I think it's also because times have changed. 4chan doesn't necessarily attract alt-right types, it attracts less socially acceptable views because there are no social consequences. If someone were to go on a platform like Facebook and say half the shit they say on 4chan, they'd be ostracized and probably get fired. Back when the less accepted position was the left, it makes sense for 4chan to be the more left-wing site. Now that the right is demonized in the media time and time again, it makes sense for 4chan to be much more on the right.

The only odd case is reddit, which everyone seems to think harbors views against their own. SJWs complain that it has too many right-wing anti-feminists and /pol/ complains that it's overrun by SJWs. Really the structure of the site doesn't promote either (maybe slightly leaning to the SJW side because administration seems to hold those views) and instead promotes a dialogue of people surrounding themselves with people they agree with.

Politics and social media are a horrible combination. Social media is designed to cater to a user's interests (4chan being the odd one out), which works with hobbies because if you like camping, you probably don't want see a bunch of stuff about knitting or something. However, rather than present many opinions, it only presents them with the same opinion over and over again, which is where you end up with the hypersensitive insulated people that you see again and again that can't handle hearing anything but what they already believe like Steve Shives.

>>23917
Why are you posting a reddit frog then.

>>28800
>The only odd case is reddit, which everyone seems to think harbors views against their own. SJWs complain that it has too many right-wing anti-feminists and /pol/ complains that it's overrun by SJWs. Really the structure of the site doesn't promote either (maybe slightly leaning to the SJW side because administration seems to hold those views) and instead promotes a dialogue of people surrounding themselves with people they agree with.
Its not odd at all - it's called the hostile media effect and it explains every conversations about politics in the media I've ever had. Remember it next time you hear someone talking about how much the media demonizes them - even if that someone is you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect

>>29004
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect
applies to social media, as well.

This thread is surprisingly civilized and free of shitposting and shitflinging, considering the topics.

>>29325
Well we're /vip/ after all, we are the one caring about 4chan we're not some plebs coming from the gutter of the internet

>>29004
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect
Huh, I always suspected something to that effect.

OT, does anyone have any of these forums that they want to share? I get that 4chan might not be the best people to give a gateway to a community even if that community is VIP QUALITY

>>29325
We all have home boards for that. This is like a smoking lounge, where we can escape it for a while. It's reportable under >>>/global3/rules if you happen to see it here, BNTW. Do your part to keep our little hangout comparatively pleasant, drastic perversion not withstanding.

>>29877
>BNTW

What?

>>23882
Yes, completley, but nobody ever talks about it.

Most people who use now only know a few sites that they frequent. I suppose this is only natural, but it's worrisome for sure.

I suppose it doesn't bother me that much so long as I keep in mind that there's still just as much site diversity as there used to be, even more so actually. Even if not many people go out of their way to find new things.

I think of it like this. The internet is like a giant library that's always growing. Different people curate what's available and people check out things as they please. Yes, most people only check out a few books and even then only check out what's popular or well known, but the more obscure titles still stick around even if most people just see them as filler.

So long as anyone can volunteer to help curate the library, I suppose I don't mind the fact that most of it is otherwise ignored overmuch.

>>28464
It's true, though. Everyone has ingroup preferences, and is wary of outgroup members on at least some level.

Me vs others, my family vs other families, my friends, my neighbourhood, my hometown, my country, my ethnic or cultural group, my race (vs aliens)

It all comes down to the differenciation of the Self vs the Other (the not-Self) that is established from a really young age. The alternative is psychosis, the merge of everything that stems from a failed differentiation of the Self from its enviroment.


Of course both extremes are unhealthy, though. We as humans need to cooperate, too. And we're part of broader systems.