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>Starter guide
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10886965/smtstarterguide.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/qqxkrWFh

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/fgVp423S

>Misc. Translations
http://pastebin.com/LHKVLNQB

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended Reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

Previous thread >>82433571
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>>82606750
WHY, SERA, WHY?!
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How do i get good on DDS?

I can't beat any of the secret bosses.
Serph is 61.
Everyone is 50-57
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>>82607451
Null Attack on Serph, then beat them down with whatever.
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>>82607451

go do field hunts and learn more skills.
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>>82606914
Because her penis is bigger.

-Sera
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>>82607570
Field Hunts like those Mitamas?

>>82607539
Already equipped.
Going to fight Orochi again.
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>>82607678

yeah, if you can finish them they're the best way to max mantras so if you're falling behind in that regard you might want to check those out.
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>>82606679
He's living life the way a man should.
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>>82607754
So levels are useless in DDS?

I was scared of this being true.
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Which path has the most fun day 8? Naoya, Amane or Gin?
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>>82608108
Levels are only useless in DDS if you've rushed Null Attack, because then you're immune to all but Almighty. Which means levels are FAR from useless until end-game and NG+, which are the only points in time where you'll realistically have access to Null Attack.

Another obvious problem is the fact that the rest of your party members are far behind Serph's level. Lower VI/MA means more physical/magical damage taken.
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>>82607649
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>>82608410
Where is the Null Atack mantra?
I'm going to get it for everyone then.
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>>82608308
Naoya
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>>82608746
It's at the far right end of the grid, it's expensive as hell and requires maxing another extremely expensive mantra to access. You will not realistically get Null Attack on anyone, let alone your entire party, until you've reached end-game and are grinding specifically to max mantras.
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>>82608916
Fuck.

I lost to Orochi so i'm going back to the Titania hallway.I just think the exp and mantra exp rewards are a bit small.
For some reason no reinforcements are appearing when fighting the Titanias.
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>>82609045
My suggestion for Orochi is to try and get Phys Resist and/or Null Critical on at least one of the party members you wanna fight him with. Null Critical is the easier one to get but Phys Resist is the more useful one because Orochi LOVES spamming Mad Rush. Also, (element) Resist passives to cancel out your weaknesses and avoid giving Orochi extra turns is practically a requirement, because that scaly fucker's got access to all 5 elements and he WILL hammer you down if you let him. Shield spells won't cut it for this fight.

>For some reason no reinforcements are appearing when fighting the Titanias.
Reinforcements in that hallway are pretty rare, but to be fair encounters in the hallway are pretty rare full stop unless you're using a magic reed.
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>>82608895
But Naoya route doesn't have any qts except black frost
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>>82609367
I have Phys Null.

Going to try Makakaja,Ragnarok,Mediara on him.
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>>82609463
It has Atsuro and Mari as well.

And girls will join you on one 8th Day.
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>>82609587
*Tarukaja
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Anybody know if any MegaTen games are being streamed now on Twitch?
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>>82609776
damn you're lazy
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>>82609587
Well shit, you're obviously further along the grid than I thought you were. Null Phys will definitely make things easier.
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>>82609876
Serph has Ragnarok
Argilla has Salvation
Cielo/Gale have Dekunda/Kaja

And thats it.
We're still getting murdered.
Orochi is using buffs like crazy.
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>>82610053
Even WITH Dekaja?
Lemme look this guy up...
>Reading...

Holy fucking shit.
>8 turns
>Makakaja spam a la Mot from Nocturne
>Almighty spam
>Weakness exploiting
>Strong phys attacks
>Nulls or absorbs most
>No weaknesses
Damn. You have my condolences.
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>>82610601
Yeah he's a piece of shit.

I'm learning from my mistakes.
I have to Dekaja him every time he uses Makakaja or else he'll fuck with my defenses.

The Shit thing is that i can only hit him once because DDS doesnt allow 4 Party members at once.
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>>82610776
It's gradual. As long as you can hit him with Ragnarok repeatedly and consistently, and he DOESN'T use Dekunda, you could lower his defense as low as it can be debuffed over a few turns, and start Last Wording him.

Maybe. Could that work?
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>>82606914
Que sera sera
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>>82608082
>Constant Reminder that ATLUS killed the P3&4 cast with the milking.
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>>82611123
He always uses Dekunda because of Ragnarok.
He's also a MP stealing bitch.

I think i have him.

I'm using Pass/Tarukaja/Salvation -> Power charge/Ragnarok -> Dekunda/Mediarama

Last Word? I think Heat has it and i'm never using him again.
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>>82611332
>tfw I used to like the P4 cast but now I'm tired of seeing their faces
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>>82611392
Well glad you have your strats straight.
That shit sounds brutal.

I'm still at Asakusa in Nocturne
Hijiri is telling me to find out more about Futomimi, and I already went and saw the Hikawa event at Ikebukuro, and the west path to the Asakusa tunnel isn't open yet.
Have no fucking clue what to do now, and it's my 2nd Playthrough.
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>>82611123
>>82611392
Beat him.
That tactic worked.
Thanks for all the help!

If Orochi was this hard i can't even begin to imagine Demi-Fiend.
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I might as well ask again:
Where can I find the Giten Megami Tensei soundtrack? All the links I've found are dead.
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>>82608635

oddly enough, Kaneko actually does know how to draw shoes.

which really just accentuates his weird feet and love of seemingly fetish footwear
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>>82611932
demifiend is a nightmare

he can do 3000+ damage to your entire party
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>>82611856
You're supposed to go to Mafunishiri or something.
You have to exit through the right exit of Asakusa.

If not

then you have to see that killer Mannequin.
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I'm starting Nocturne, what do I name demi-fiend
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>>82612061
Already saw the Sakahagi scene before I went to Mifunashiro the first time. Already went and saw the scene there about the "evil at Yoyogi Park" too.
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>>82612051
But the game's Max HP is 999
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>>82612018
But he fixed his feets, just look at SJ.
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>>82612190
Give him your real name, and name your friends and teacher after your real friends!
It'll be fun!
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>>82612215
exactly
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>>82611932
You just need 99 in literally every stat for Demi-fiend.
>>82612215
He'll only do damage in the thousands if you do things he doesn't like, like null x moves and resist x skills.
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>>82608308
>>82608895
>>82609687
I guess I'm gonna go kick Betatron's butt then.
He is the 8th day boss for that route isn't he?
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>>82612332
>He'll only do damage in the thousands if you do things he doesn't like, like null x moves and resist x skills.
What about gaea rage
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>>82612214
I think you must talk to a random soul in the Asakusa tunnels.
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>>82612215
Exactly.
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>>82612287
What friends?
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>>82612214
Assembly of Nihilo?
I think you're supposed to go back there.
Did you fight Clotho and the others?

>>82612309
>>82612435
>>82612332
Jesus that's fucked up.
DDS is weird,its supposed to be easy considering you can pick the skills but its way harder than Nocturne.
Was i actually that strong?
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>>82612724
Well, the main game is easier. But when it comes to bonus bosses DDS has Nocturne beat
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>>82612218
well then that anon and I are wrong

too bad kaneko isn't prolific anymore.

has he even done more book illustrations for that one series, or any new books?

why kaneko?
>kaneko, pls
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>>82612724
DDS 1&2 have the optional hardest bosses in JRPGs.
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>>82612332
He'll use Gage Rage for every two demons summoned, actually. Only way around it is null sleep.
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>>82612406
Yes.

There's also a Loki & Honda fight.

On the Kill Humans one you get different dialogue depending on who you use to kill a certain character.
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>>82612724
Main game, I'd say they're about the same. The DDS optional bosses can be pretty terrifying, though.

At least Satan in DDS2 lets you use null skills.
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>>82612287
>it'll be fun!
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>>82612865
Kaneko probably stepped down after witnessing the excuse of a company ATLUS currently is.
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>>82612423
>>82612724
OK Let's get this straight:
>Enter the battle with ANY form of Null Physical (including Null Attack) = Gaea Rage BEFORE THE FIGHT EVEN START FOR ~3000 DAMAGE!
>Every time you defeat 2 of his demons in the battle = 1 Gaea Rage
>He has 6 Demons
>There is a Cielo Null Sleep strategy, and the Red Star strategy. Both are vital to survival.

Also, bottom line
>Beat Obelisk completely
>Beat Black Rider
>Saw Hikawa cutscene
>Saw Sakahagi cutscene
>Saw Futomimi Yoyogi Park cutscene
>Cleared Amala Network
>Beat Specter
Fuck you Hijiri, let me progress!
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>>82613051
but books aren't atlus
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>>82613073
Yep. He also crits with like every fucking attack.

He only took me 3-4 tries, though. I thought it'd be more.
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>>82612850
>>82612875
>>82613029
Yeah i'm suffering right now.
I still have to beat:

Beelzebub (Fly)
>Not even gonna attempt until i reach level 80.

Metatron
>Implying i know where he is and i'm ready to face him.

The Four Beasts
>Maybe today

Nocturne was a bit more fun because the grinding wasn't so excessive,also its a pain in the ass to walk to those places.

>>82613073
Have you tried going back to Minafushiro to see Futomini again?

Can you fight Pale Rider in Asakusa?

Sorry for asking again but have you been to Yoyogi Park and beaten Sakahagi?If not you have to take the underground tunnel in Asakusa.

Did you talk to Yuko?
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>>82613051
The books weren't Atlus. They were novels not connected to it.

And he worked on the scenario drafts for SMTIV, then did some stuff on twitter, and he's made less and less demon designs over the years.
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>>82613558
Beelzebub Fly form is easy, you just need to stay on top of your game and Dekaja his buffs at every single chance. Null Phys will help with the Mind Scream spam that occurs during the later phases of the fight, and Resist Force/Elec are handy to lessen the damage of Mazandyne/Maziodyne. The only necessary skill for Beelzy fly is Null Death. You CAN NOT get by with Death Resist.
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what kind of demon would ebola chan be anyway

dark-chaos reaper?

let's think of some 2014 demons, we already have quicksilver and chemtrail
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>>82614212
How is Quicksilver a 2014 demon?
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>>82614170
Only Cielo has Null Death.

Gale and Argilla do not have any Resists.

Heat does plenty of damage but his Magic is SHIT.

Mantra grind time i guess.
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>>82613979
no,
i was already talking about his book art. i already know they're not atlus, that they had nothing to do with whatever his opinions on atlus might be.

i was just thrown off by anon mentioning atlus. i meant that non megaten art, like those book illustrations, is much better than no megaten art.

and i haven't even seen anything recently about if he's still doing illustrations for books.
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>>82614394
>>82613979
>>82613178
What books?
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>>82614557
Manga
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>>82613558
>Metatron
Ajna Fortress White Configuration
The battle comes out of fucking nowhere
He spams Fire, Light, and Fire of Sinai and various buffs. Not TOO bad.

Beelzebub fly and FUCKING HUANG LONG are hard as fuck.

I'll try seeing Futomimi again or talk to some NPCs
Pale Rider is before Yoyogi Park
Again, need to unlock the way to Asakusa Tunnel before I can Pale Rider
Yuko = Yoyogi Park. Not there yet.

>>82614170
This.

>>82614212
See my post here:
>>82606658

Enough for tonight. See ya.
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>>82614334
mistook her for plasma/chemtrail
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>>82614605
What manga?
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>>82614557
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiken_series

>>82614605
>manga
light novels count as manga?
i'm not being sarcastic,
i'm ignorant and don't know.
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>>82614617
Oh then you have to talk to Futomini again.
There will be a cutscene i think and then you''ll be able to fight Pale Rider.

Thanks.
Good Night.
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>>82614706
But you mentioned Chemtrail in the same post.
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>>82614353
Well put it this way: beating Beelzebub Fly form gets you access to two of the best skills in the entire game: the one and only Death Flies, and the passive skill Auto Soma. Yes, it's a full heal/MP restore after each battle. Yes, it's amazing and makes later mantra grinding far less stressful because you no longer need to worry about HP/MP outside of battle.

Alternatively you COULD have one character spam Null Death shields every turn, but that means you'll have a lower damage output. Death Flies still does a lot of damage, even with the instant death component rendered null.

>>82614617
Oh don't scare him, Huang Long isn't that hard. It's actually a pretty cool fight thanks to the constant phase changes. Hell, there's even a designated "cooldown" phase where Huang Long does fuck all but is immune to literally everything.
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>>82614789
Chapter 1 http://www.amazon.ca/The-Case-Dragon-Slayer-Mystery/dp/0345496493
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>>82614980
Death Flies does around 400 damage right?
Yeah no one other Serph can take that kind of abuse.

>but is immune to literally everything.

Its too late anon.

goodnight guys.
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>>82615107
what is that in response to?
>category-manga
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>>82613558
>Nocturne was a bit more fun because the grinding wasn't so excessive,also its a pain in the ass to walk to those places.
DDS in a nutshell
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>>82614845
i mistook quicksilver for plasma but was too lazy to download a pic of plasma so i uploaded chemtrail, so you wouldn't say "but that's chemtrail, not plasma"

/smtg/ you are killing me

never change
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>>82615273
It's the first book in the Jiken series that anon linked. The preview image is wrong as fuck.
If you change it to .com it's still wrong pic, and says it was a limited print run.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th_(1989_video_game)

>Atlus made this
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>>82616524
Nightmare on Elm Street was a better game, even though they both suck.
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Most unlucky for you!
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>>82616657
Yes, you making the enemy smirk is indeed most unlucky for me. Asshole.
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>>82616657
>Behold, the power of chaos!
>87
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>>82616717

>Fighting Minotaur
>paired with Walty
>Agi

I didn't sign up for this.
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>>82614212
Virus, duh.
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>>82606914
Post the full image.
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>>82614706

Even now, I still don't get what the fuck it's supposed to be. A hammer of judgment?
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>>82614824
>raidou bra

YES.

YES.
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>>82614212
>SMTG.jpg
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>>82618694
there robes are not xxxl
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>>82618694
You think I could wear those robes around town when I go to run errands?
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>>82618764
The fatlus has already given up his body energy for the incarnation ritual
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I want to fuck Mirai
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>>82618817
Yeah, but only after the Ebola Death cult rules the wasteland in 2020.
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>>82618817
i can see you raidou guy.
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>>82619079
I'm really impressed to have THE Raidou here in our humble general.
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>>82619246

The real raidou is less obese than raidou guy.
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>>82620127
>Implying Raidou guy is not ACTUALLY Raidou and now doesn't want to visit the general anymore because you made fun of him and didn't buy his game
Smooth, jerkass.
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>>82610053
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>If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.
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>>82621160
There is only one who can rule man with no need for governments. That is the Overlord.

The Angels are too inhuman to rule humans wisely, and their first response to everything is genocide.
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>>82621160
*tips ponytail*
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>>82611932
Is Orochi the one that steals your MP?

You know you can just have null mute and null phys on everyone and he literally can't hurt you?
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Tips for fighting Babel? His first form's fine but I'm stumped when you lose your demons.

I've gotten this far without deaths and I really don't want to give it up now.
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>>82623239

>when you lose your demons.

Tippest of my lils. Start over, and pick a real ending next time.
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>>82623950
but I want to get them all...
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>>82624186

Wanting gin's ending is like going to an ice cream place and getting vanilla just to try everything. Halfway through shit flavors like bubblegum you'll realize you're a fat shit.
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>>82625189
I do kind of wish I took Naoya's instead. His sounds more fun.

Ironic that Gin's gives you the most characters to use but they all suck anyway.
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>>82612001
Would like to know too.
The game is great and the music amazing. It's difficult but you can hook it with Chiitrans, so looking things up isn't a chore. Shit, I should continue playing.

>>82612469
Mah nigga. You're a True SMT fan.
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>>82625189
now that you mention it, I could go for some ice cream and mountain dew
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>kaneko circa 1920
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>>82626503
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>>82626503
What a boner
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>>82626503
>kaneko circa 1600s
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>>82626707
>is never gonna get translated
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>>82626503
DICKHEAD
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>BITE THE DUST
>oh cool a Jojo reference that's n...
>game over
FUCK THIS GAME
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>>82628483
its a Queen reference, you illiterate faggot.
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>>82629532
Don't you know? Everything is a Jojo reference.
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>>82617634
its an engine, like a plane engine, with exhausts in the shape of a man, the thing its supposed to be poisoning

something about the weight of technology on the human psyche

something about break record.


its really abstract, man
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>>82629532
Yes, because that song is automatically associated with explosions.
And totally not the Jojo ability that indeed references Queen and turns people into bombs.

Begone, ignorant idiot.
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>black frost's stupid fucking stats in smtiv

why the fuck would you make him a strength/dex based demon

fuck you atlus
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>>82631298
>tfw can't reliably use Cold World with King Frost
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>>82631406
>his second lowest stat is magic

atlus

no
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mem alephs "element" skills are severe rated, right?

are yaldabaoth's ___ gate skills beyond that? has that ever been done before?
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maybe hes like black sheep frost, poor lil niq cant use magic right
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What's everyone's favorite demon design?
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>>82631590
nah, smtiv is just retarded with stat spreads

king frost is strength based and ace frost is agility based too

the only magic based jack frosts are pyro jack and the OG jack frost
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>>82631672
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>>82631953
is there any art of daisoujou as a hikkimori?
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>>82632097
don't think so but there should be
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>>82631672
nsfdemifiend
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>>82631672
even his name sounds badass
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hey smtg
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>>82629532
It's not just the name.
JoJo's Killer Queen has explosions as its ability, and one of its powers is called Bite The Dust.
Queen's song isn't associated with explosions.

Besides, Strange Journey has another JoJo reference in the weapon "Cursed Sarai".
>Sword of Anubis that drives victims mad.
And the game's title.

I know a lot of people are crazy over "JoJo references", but this is actually one.
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hows it goin
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>>82634652
>>82634801
Your style is cute, but who do those hands belong to?
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>>82634652
>>82634801
cute
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>>82634917
me
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>>82634801
>groping maya
Rude.
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>>82636519
Her heart was truly touched by it
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>>82636519
She'd be into it
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Hey /smtg/, Nocturne sucks
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>>82637254

We already know. We only wave it around since it distracts the teenagers away from the true secret board of smtg where we discuss the true games like strange journey.
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>>82637440
>True games
>Shit like SJ
>Not Ronde and Jack Bros
go back to /pg/ you fucking casualry
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>>82637527

That was another test. You passed. Welcome to nirvana.
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>>82636582
I snickered.
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>>82637674

i chortled.
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>>82639390
Stop lying.
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>>82640008

okay. :c
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>>82621329
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>>82631672
ME!
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You know what I think would be really cool. Since chaos already has "constantly fight and die" with occasionally "and then reincarnate as a demon and do it again" overtones, obviously similar to the norse afterlife for warriors, I think it would be really cool for Hel to then show up as a lawful character and fighting on the law side. And if you talk to her she'd make an equivalence with lawful stasis logic to being "frozen forever," and how this being forced on chaotic characters is seen as a hell by them.
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>>82646723
Hell freezing over. Hehehe.
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>>82646723
She was a Tyrant amongst the Frost clan in Devil Children Red/Black Book, but all demons in those games are considered Chaos.
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;_;
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>>82648709
Slut
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>>82648967
fuccboi
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>>82648967
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>>82649132
SLUT
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Does Null take precedence over weak when equiping gear in Soul hacker ?
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>>82650784
Of course.
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>>82634652
>>82634801
I like these.
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> tfw EU SMT IV is near.

No delays please Atlus.
I beg of you.
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>>82652021
>October 7th already
>no exact date, just "October"
I fear they will delay it again.
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>>82652339
>>82652021
They said at the end of October I think.
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>>82652384
>>82652339

> Smash beginning of the month.
> SMT IV end of month.
> ORAS end of next month.

Feels good to have a 3DS mang.
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>>82652021
Just learn 魔法の言語 already, you fucking maggot. SMTIV has furigana for 外人 who are True 真・女神転生 fans but at the level of primary school.
If... and 偽典 are waiting for you.
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>>82652502
It does not feel good to be a poorfag, though...
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>>82652502
>look up ORAS
>remake of the worst generation of pokemon
no thanks.
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>>82652910
They're remaking IV already? Why would they skip III?
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>>82652502
PQ is the end of next month too.
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>>82652734
Same here. Even when I have money I don't have the fucking time to go out and buy games, or buy em off E-Shop or Amazon because I don't have the time to go and put money that I don't have on my card.

Look at the bright side though.
At least we aren't filthy Luxuror scum.
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>All of this casualry scum.
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So there's themes for the 3DS home menu now.

Too bad there's nothing megaten related.
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>>82653083
Gen 3 is where it all went wrong.
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>>82657390
You mean right, it has the best pokemon designs, when they started adding a bunch of shit nobody cares about like mega evolutions is where it all went wrong.
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>>82657497
>when they started adding a bunch of shit nobody cares about
That started in gen 3 with the pokemon contests.
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>>82657630
>Implying extra shit you don't have to do is bad.

It's not even mandatory, just pretend it doesn't exist. I'm talking about the IVs or whatever that shit is, something about dittos.
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>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-10-06/sexual-assault-charges-dropped-against-voice-actor-illich-guardiola/.79624

Devil Survivor 2 The Animation (TV) as Anguished One
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>>82657124
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>>82657769
IV's have been in the game since gen 1 you retard
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>>82634434
You have good taste. In Nocturne, he becomes a fucking tank. Slap a Null Expel skill on him and he becomes a walking rape machine. He is definitely a party member you want if you are going TDE route.
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>>82634652
>>82634801
pls draw more.
>sexualizing beth
>sexualizing maya
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Did they buff elemental spells to DeSu:OC?
I don't remember Maragidyne doing 400+ with ~35 magic without boosts in the original.
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>>82613558
I'm late, but
>the four beasts
>before fly or betatron
What the hell are you doing. The four beasts are a huge pain to beat compared to either of those.
And don't touch Kohryu without endgame stuff. The ailemnts... my god, the ailments!
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>>82634652
>>82634801
Do a Lilum

Well, Raidou Lilum, since she has dem under boob windows
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meanwhile at atlus:

>hey, what stats should king frost have
>well, he's the king of the jack frosts, right?
>yea
>and he has the best cold spell in the game, right? the one that's mabufudyne but with a chance to instakill?
>yea
>and he gets high ice pleroma and concentrate, right?
>yea
>and he can inherit agilao and hama easily and can get zanma, zionga, hamaon, and mudoon with some creative fusing, right?
>yea
>53 str and 37 mag seems to fit him well
>good job boys, let's head home
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I gotta say, the voice acting in DeSu:OC wasn't nearly as bad as I thought at the start, I really like Kaido and Naoya.
Only complaint I really have is that Karen Strassman does like half of the female voices I still love her voice but cmon, and hearing Yosuke's VA as a yakuza thug sounds very wrong.
>>82675250
>every demon in soul hackers
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page 10 lel
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>>82684560
>lel
Anon pls, those days are over.
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>>82686907
lel, faggot.
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>>82686907
Okay, kek
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>>82689364
Did you know? TopKek is an actual food in Turkey? It's really hard to describe. It's a snack you can get pretty much anywhere, and it's delicious as fuck.

Seeing as I'm Turkish, I can read everything in this pic.
From Top Left to Bottom Left:

Strawberry
Fruity
Orange
Chocolate Drops
Caramel
Peach Marble
Chocolate

>>82691159
What am I seeing?!
P2:EP Book starring Maya?!
10/10 would read if I ever get my hands on it
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>>82691438
i had a lot of trouble finding it again for some reason
so the book for auction is probably cursed

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERSONA-2-ETERNAL-PUNISHMENT-SHIN-MEGAMI-TENSEI-3-WORLD-GUIDE-PS1-/110838917630

or im just very tired
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>>82677792
I'm playing P4 right now and the voice acting is literally ruining the game for me. Why is yosuke Ben 10, fuck and no Hana kana Marie either AND no subtitles to ignore it.
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>>82693972
I feel your pain bro.
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>>82693972
I would figure the terrible dungeons, absurdly easy gameplay (especially in Golden) and one-dimensional characters would ruin it more than voice acting.
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>>82695014
It used to be good.

Then it got forced HARD by Atlus. They're to blame for P4 becoming shit.
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>>82695014
I just bought it for waifu faggotry after watching the anime, if I actually wanted to play a good persona game I'd replay P2
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>>82691438
I want to go to Istanbul
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>>82695443
He looks pretty noble.
Just like the actual Space Marine.

>>82695468
I didn't like P2's battle system to be honest. Negotiations and interactions were fun, but became a chore. You had to spam fusion spells on auto to win anything. And it all took unneccessarily forever, without good grinding spots (excepting the Quests. But forcing us to do them over and over to unlock the rest was a dick move. The Persona Thief quest with it's pitfalls and mazes was a fucking bitch to get through. Took me 4 hours exploring everything, for shit items. At least the NPC in charge of the Theater was fucking hot. We really need more lewds of her, for sure; lewds that we'll never get drawn for us;_;)

>>82695789
Mokoi pls go.
Kidding please don't.
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>>82693972
I know nothing about Ben 10, but I think his VA fits him well.
I thought the voice acting in that was quite decent, there was nothing like Ken from P3.
>>82695468
I think EP is the best in the series, but P4 comes after it and IS. P3 has a better story than 4, but it has multitude of other problems.
I should give 1 another chance some day, but that day is not today.
>>82696257
But P2 battle system is basicly the oldschool SMT battle system with continuous autobattle and fusion spells. I didn't think it was that bad.
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>>82696796
Actually U mixed up my games, I meant P1 is my favorite persona game. Had the best demon creation system imho
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>>82698149
>Not counting SJ Forma System
MASTEMAAAAAAAA!!
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>>82698149
*I

Fuck touchscreens
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i want to go to istanbul
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>>82700094
I want to spend a night in Isabeau
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>>82701027
Imagine a lifetime with her.
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>>82701114
I can't. I'm chaos
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>>82701183
You can save the ones you love if you weren't such a faggot.
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>>82701257
You can't save the weak, anon.
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>>82701409
If you're strong enough you can.
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I saw someone post QR codes for SMT-related Miis ages ago and didn't save them
Anyone happen to at least have the Doomguy one?
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>>82701647
This nigga knows where it's at!
I'm Neutral, and I agree.
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http://fucknovideogames.tumblr.com/tagged/shin-megami-tensei

I am triggered.
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>>82704145
Wait, I remember the Soul Hackers and Babe Hunt posts.
They are the same that NonCon faggot from the Atlus forums posted a couple of years ago.
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About to fight Pale Rider. Finally unlocked Asakusa Tunnel.

Any advice?
Going in with Anathema equipped.
Party of Atavaka, Legion, and Phantom.
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>>82704145
I'm not even going to read this, but I'll assume it's another "a bloo bloo videogames hurt my feelings."

These fucks really need to get thicker skin.
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>>82704145
Not this shit!
Nuke it!

Nuke it DEAD!
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>>82704145
>Soul Hackers, one of the Shin Megami Tensei games that was recently ported to the 3DS and localized for the first time this year, includes a character named Beta who is gay. That would be nice, if his gayness wasn’t an exaggerated, offensive stereotype.
What about gay people that really do sound like that as part of their normal speaking voice? Are they offensive stereotypes too?
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To be fair Atlus did sound sexist as all hell in this interview: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/21/shin-megami-tensei-iv-interview-making-law-and-chaos-heroes/#US5bMupVu2pCRWvf.99
And honestly, i'm a guy and there are few things in the world that i hate as much as sexism.
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>>82706509
>i am a mangina
>a law mangina
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>>82706547
What? Are you high?
I don't know what you meant by that but i actually am law aligned.
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>>82706509
But one of the most powerful entities in the game is a girl. Hikaru.
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Ok, now i know what mangina means, sexism is just wrong and gross
>>82706946
Does that really count as a woman?
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>>82706775
>i actually am law aligned
It's so perfect.
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>>82706509
>males have stronger physiques
>SMT games traditionally have male protagonists
Where is the sexism?
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>>82706509
How sensitive are you? All they said is that males have an easier time surviving harsh environments. That is objectively true, we're the more physically fit of the sexes.
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>>82707145
Besides that, there are other strong women in IV.
Gabby, Lilith, nozomi, the gaean lady whose name escapes me, isabeau
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Why do women need to be catered to in video games? Are these the same people who go into female strip clubs and demand there be naked men?
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>>82707145
Yes, sexism is wrong, but I don't see how it applies to the interview you linked.
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>>82707348
Kaga. IV actually had quite a few strong women characters.
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>>82707589
>strong
>is killed by a fuck demon
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>>82707793
A demon that was basically invincible until Kaga and pals got eaten.
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>>82707793
She beat the shit out of it while being digested. Don't you shit talk Kaga.
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>>82706509
>>82706775
>>82707145
OH BOY IT'S THIS FUCKING DISCUSSION AGAIN
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This interview was released before the game was released, they only knew about Isabeau and A.I. girl.
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>>82708072
tumblr bitches don't know bout mah Nozomi
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>>82707493
>Are these the same people who go into female strip clubs and demand there be naked men?
I'm sure, somewhere, this has happened.
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>>82708247
Hands off my waifu, faggot.
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>>82706775
>i actually am law aligned.
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>>82708047
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Fucknovideogames is so far on the end of poe's law I can't tell if it's satire or an instruction catalog for me to buy games
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>>82708247
>Only uses moves that makes Asura smirk
>Gets caught by every single Wicker Man horde

She's not exactly competent.
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>>82708548
Moh Shuvuu is Law, Dark-Law, but Law.
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Dorito SMT when
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>>82708940
It's a reaction image you fuck
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>>82708072
That makes it worse. Why would you assume there aren't many female characters and then complain to the developers that there aren't any?
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>>82709035
when you stop posting tumblr images :^)
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>>82709167
fuck you tumblr is law.
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>>82708382
Your waifu is pretty shit. Can't even see her face.
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>>82709363
tumblr is dark-law, aka the law for retarded psychopaths and totalitarian commie scum
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>>82709363
ain't no law like that round here, boy
this be the land where the law is neutral
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>>82709474
>using commie as if it was an insult
Having fun in your corporate feudalism?
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>>82709781
hell yeah pinko scum.
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>>82709781
It seems the lawscum doth protest too much.
What's next? "There is literally nothing wrong with communism"?
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>>82709474
>>82709781
>Having fun in your corporate feudalism?
Oh boy oh boy, here we go again.
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>>82709917
light-law > dark-chaos
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>>82709781
Rasputin? What're you doing here?
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Abel thread plz
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>>82710825
True. But light chaos > light law
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>>82711308
I really, really like this picture.
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>>82711585
in the thumbnail, his belt looks like a half-erect penis.
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I currently am stuck on an ex mission in SJ. I've searched around and many have asked about this quest, but the answers given have clearly been incorrect. The mission is "Forge! Forge!! Forge!!! 2" and the problem I'm having is finding the Anubis Stones in EridANUS. Do I need to talk to the dwarf again or have the Nihil in my inventory before these start to become the silver forma in eridanus?
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>>82711308
I wish I got those megaten books they made. I want to see what DeSu stuff they have in it.
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>>82711528

- Law: Firm stance on the side of order and logic
- Chaos: Emotions over logic, ends justify the means.
- Light: Kind and selfless, fighting to protect the people.
- Dark: Destructive and will not hesitate to kill if it achieves your goal.
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>>82712271
No.
is a rare forma.
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>>82712321
Sounds like Dark is just another form of Light.

Likewise Chaos also sounds like Law with ends justify the means.
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>>82712271
Its a forma that you can find exclusively at determined points in Eridanus.

Its NOT random, it has fixed locations.
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>>82712501
go away reatrd.
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>>82712664
He's right though, those are incomplete descriptions.
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>>82712664
You don't say that to loki you whore
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I'm playing DDS and im tired of grinding for the secret bosses.

I'm conflicted on whether to keep grinding and beat them or to finish the game.
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>>82712664
It's all the same shit, just painted different colors to fool you.
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>>82712651
>>82712332
thanks bros. I just ended up going back to Carina just to look around and I talked to the dwarf only to find out I had already completed the quest and was just waiting for him to finish the item. I took a 2+ year break from the game so I completely forgot
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>>82712664
YOLO
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>>82712868
You have to beat it since NG+ unlocks the ultimate bonus boss.
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>>82712868

You won't be fighting the ultimate hidden boss until your second playthrough, so you can skip them up for the first run.
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>>82713131
>>82713182

At this point i dont care about Demi-Fiend nor do i want to do a second playthrough.

In NG+ ill have my mantras right?So its logical to level them up right now right?
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>>82713054

>live once

Bet Naoya was pissed with that remark, or the gigolo knows his trolling.
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>>82713301
Yes so sell every item you wont use and buy the mantras since money doesnt transfer.
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>>82712314
Same. I haven't bought them due to how I haven't played some of the games (Raidou and IV) and don't want to read any spoilers for ones I'm playing or going to play.
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>>82713301

Yes, they will transfer to NG+, but with higher mantra available, the first half of the game should be a breeze anyway.

I recalled playing the first run with sufficient leveling, then grind in the later one to take out Demi-fiend
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>>82713326
Naoya has known Loki for awhile. Loki genuinely lets his desire for amusement get the better of him, like in the Overlord 8th Day.
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>>82713435
I want the Mantras to level up faster.
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>>82713530
Eat everything you see.
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>>82713497

>tfw only played vanilla DeSu1

Mixed feelings in wanting Overclocked right now. I just have too many games at the moment to play it.
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>>82712884
Just like politics
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>>82713591
Have to buy these shit eating mantras first.

>mfw i read your comment at the same time Serph ate a Titania.
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>this is what DDSfags actually do
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>>82714131
Leave it to chaosfags to desire a world of homosexual devouring.
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>>82714131
>>82714271
Fujos detected
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>>82712501
>Law: Firm stance on the side of order and logic
>Chaos: Emotions over logic, ends justify the means.

HURR DURR SAME THING

>Light: Kind and selfless, fighting to protect the people.
>Dark: Destructive and will not hesitate to kill if it achieves your goal.

SAME THING AGAIN, HAHA I'M SO SMART, NEUTRAL RULEZ RIGHT GUYS?
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>>82713835
I'm so bored.

Why is DDS a pain in the ass.
I dont want to fight this titania anymore
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>>82713131
But that's wrong. Demi-fiend is unlocked in NG+ regardless.
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>>82714679
Come on anon, join the rotten alignment!
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>>82714887
MOJOU IS PIG
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>>82714131
>this is what DDSfags actually do
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>>82714679
I tend to forget all the gay in this thread are fujoshits

Why the fuck do fat women like homosexual boys?... then again why do fat neckbeards like homosexual girls? Yaoi and Yuri fans on people claiming to be straight sounds like a contradiction to me.
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>>82714864
I meant beat the game.
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>>82714679
>Traps
>Fujo
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>>82715134
>Why the fuck do fat women like homosexual boys?
Self-insertion? Fox-and-grapes? It's a mystery.
>then again why do fat neckbeards like homosexual girls?
I don't like yuri. It's kinda boring when nobody's getting dicked and ahegao'ing, y'know?

>>82715197
Traps are hella gay and right up fujoshi boytoy alley.
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I need motivation.

Please motivate me somehow.

Only Serph and Heat have eating skills.
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>>82715282
>It's kinda boring when nobody's getting dicked and ahegao'ing, y'know?
Exactly it's like an incomplete story. The moon without the sun, the heads without the tails. Shit just doesn't work that way...
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>>82715282
>ahegao
Shit-tier fetish
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>>82715134
No we are men.
manly chaos men searching for the submissive law boypussy.
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>>82715389
you should've given everyone eating skills.

anyways, just go to DDS2 already, you can always replay both games for the NG+ shit. Outside of Satan the DDS2 NG+ bonuses don't require so much massive grinding.

>>82715523
I used to think that way, but AA2 changed me
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>>82715523
>Not wanting to pleasure her so hard she cums her brain out
It's like you don't even want to enslave her to your dick.

>>82715612
All law boys will be crushed into dust. They cannot exist in a world of chaos. Abandon your hedonistic tendencies and go fight.
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>>82715389
Don't you want to join your friends in the sun?
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>>82715134
But what if you like both and are skinny as fuck. What does that make you?
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>>82712321

Well, looks like I'm Light-Chaos as well as Neutral.

Good to know!
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>>82715814
An attention whoring faggot and a liar. Everybody knows you're actually a closet-homo.
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>>82715814
A confused fagget.
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>>82712501
>>82712664
>>82712771
>>82712849
>>82712884
>>82713326
>>82713497
>>82714754
>Sounds like Dark is just another form of Light.
>Likewise Chaos also sounds like Law with ends justify the means.
>Loki the one saying this
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>>82714754
>Neutral
That is just the worse.

More so than both Light/Dark and Law/Chaos being two sides of the same.

At least pick a side instead of living in decadence.
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You could have stopped this.
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>>82716839
Stopped what, bitch?
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>>82715115
>let me play my solar noises over the mic
every time.
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>>82717938
>Solar noise reaches MAX
>You pull this on them
>Revel in the bloodlust
>Devour their bodies
>Gain further power
>"You cannot escape your hunger, Warriors of Purgatory!"
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>>82718967
*tips glock*
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>>82719160
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>>82719160
Hindu rape monsters, very good, glocks!
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>>82719437
I do not comprehend.
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>>82719561
Here Gale, allow me to help you comprehend.
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>>82720289
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>Naoya savior route
>Fighting against shomonkai
>~5 of them left
>Amane shows up in the corner I planned to visit last
>no problem, she can tank 2 guys that are on her
>"I'm sorry my lady I failed to protect you"
Fuck this shit, at least they made the AI bearable in the few encounters that were like this in the original 7 days but guess they forgot to turn off the suicide button on this one huh.
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>>82721047

I thought she joins you if you take the good naoya route?
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>>82721560
Yes, her bodyguard decided to attack one of the belberith loyalists and got killed in one turn, thus failing the mission.
This wast the first time I have seen this happen in OC. in the original this used to happen in almost every mission where you had to protect someone.
I also noticed that the mission where you have to prevent SDF soldiers from escaping was made easier, they don't start running away until you have killed some of them.
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>>82721957

Lol, belberith loyalists. Maybe her dad should have thought about the plan of using the power of a god thats pure evil and openly calls humans refuse to defeat one that's kind of bad but at least pretends to be well intentioned.
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>>82722086
He was pissed off that God effectively said there would be a trial one day when he was learning religion, so he thought you must embrace something that's equal to God in order to beat him.

And the trail ends up happening because he made a cult to oppose God, which you can take to mean he was but a pawn of Fate.

In Yuzu's 8th Day you actually prove it was possible for mere humans to defy God, which is why he's eager to turn himself in for his crimes to atone.
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>>82722964

>In Yuzu's 8th Day you actually prove it was possible for mere humans to defy God

That didn't even happen though. You fought a few mook angels, and god said fuck it, you're too ridiculous to bother saving and took off. What's more you LITERALLY accomplished this by being SO pathetic and selfish that God assumed that it was a waste of time to even bother anymore. So the moral of the story is a bit dubious all things considered to consider that better than Gin's ending, despite that you couldn't have known any of that would happen until later on.
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>>82723251
The fact that God would give up is testament to how mankind has defied Him. They even had Izuna's captain show up at one point and tell the angels the government won't take their shit no more.

So with even the governments turned against them YHVH just decides to leave.

Plus whether you get the worse Yuzu 8th Day ending or an okay one is determined on whether Gin is alive and if you do the barrier events.
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Hey guys, I'm trying to get the DDS soundtracks from the pastebin but the links have a redirect loop.

Is there a way to get around that?
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>>82726075
http://mass-destruction.tumblr.com/SMT-Music

Get it from here instead.
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I've been in Monochrome Forest for 15 minutes now and I've defeated the first boss, the monastery dude, forget his name and now I'm starting to hate my life because I'm lost.

help
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>>82730625
For some reason I swapped Monochrom Forest with Kiccigiorgi and I was flabbergasted.

Maybe this will help. X takes you back to the starting area, L/N/Cx is the order you find them per route.
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>>82696257
Currently playing IS, and I don't like it either. Frequent encounter rate, and battles are too slow.
I also don't like how sometimes it gives a character two turns seemingly without notice, but since SP is so easy to refill it seems, it's not THAT big a deal.

Despite playing P1, P1P def spoiled me, and I'm glad I'm playing this shit in order.
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>smtiv
>level 30
>best demon i can get for magic has 45 magic
>i'm pushing 100 magic with 50+ agi and 40+ luck

jesus fuck
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>>82704145
>So, not only does that not help women get into games, it isn’t even women-focused at all. So much for this allegedly feminist organization.

guys help, my eyes rolled out of my head
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>>82731726
Sounds like you're becoming a fiend.

Hope you got your Capote
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>>82731714
>tfw 100 luck
>tfw permasmirk
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>>82708837
>an instruction catalog for me to buy games

tbh, this is how I've basically been using it. and im a girl - but also white and straight so i guess im evil
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>>82731714
>Raising luck for a magic build
Why?
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>>82731895
W-what's your alignment?
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>>82731948
Was I not supposed to do that?

I'm like level 65 and my magic, ag, and luck are all around the same (125-140, can't say exactly).
Also, damn these battles in Monochrome forest are getting hard, everything's kinda been a joke so far.
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>>82731948
smirk, crit chance (and chance to BE crit, which is hella useful if you ever fought minotaur), ailment resistance
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>>82732232
you need more magic, agi is just to ensure it hits - at a certain point of magic agi because better to invest in but if you're equal agi and magic you are far away from that breakpoint

luck can be a lot lower too

i usually see a 3 1 1 spread for magic agi and luck
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>>82732023
I'm the girl who doesn't pronounce Agi right, and I am not doing this shit with you again.
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>>82732232
>>82732292
Magic can't crit. Not nearly as useful to get it just for resistances and enemy crit chance.
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>>82732395
magic can't crit, but luck increases your chances of getting a smirk off hitting a weakness - which is half the point of going magic in the first place, to target weaknesses
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>>82732395
luck also increases hit chance, though not as much as agi

still worth putting a point in it every level
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>>82732473
Not by the end. You just shit Antichthon. You're better off just going pure magic with enough agility. The early boost to damage will serve you better than the occasional extra smirk, and endgame it will benefit you more than luck would.
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>>82732684
>spamming antichthon
i didn't need a mana pool anyway
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>>82732836
With the MP recovery apps and a game's worth of MP restoring items I never had a problem.
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>high luck
>Occult Flash

sure, it doesn't help with bosses (isn't that what demons are for anyway?), but it feels so good
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>>82733445

it is the best feeling

also getting a stat up on a level up too
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>>82704145
Do Gabriel & Lilith not count as women? They pretty much lead their sides except for the part where the game is just like fuck Lilith, which sucks because i liked her, and puts Lucifer in charge
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>>82734612
Lilith is probably killed by your world's Jonathan if you don't go with him.

The Chaos ending implies she is still alive no matter what path you took though, so she probably left it to you and Lucifer to finish things.
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>>82734612

They're demons, not humans. While they have the form of a specific sex, it presumes that you understand that the rules are "different" for them. Gabriel and lilith aren't fragile humans who last week were dicking around on the couch.

I do think its ironic that the only time a girl was representative of chaos was in nocturne where its "is it really chaos." chaos. In strange journey it seems obvious that no real girl would be down for that chaos path, despite it ironically pretending to be not anti-female by having the mothers vaguely in charge. Or if not in charge necessarily, at least in a central role.
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>>82734829
So its only female if shes weak?
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>>82734973

That's probably the game's logic, yes. They're japan, so they probably don't mean it in a sexist fashion, despite it obviously coming off that way. To them, its like making most of the characters in lord of the rings male. Its what they assume is happening. Elves and dwarves are technically (by their own standards) androgynous, but humans aren't and from human perspective its assumed that mostly guys do these things.
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>>82734829
The Mother Goddesses are the top of the food chain in the old world. Then the man usurped the matriarchy.

Plus Kaga was raised in the Ring of Gaea in IV. She gives her life fighting for her beliefs in what her fellow Gaean mentions is known to be a suicide mission.

Minako herself isn't shown to be against their ways completely, although her summoning of Astaroth to be the Ring's new king sounds suspiciously like she sought to overthrow Lilith. Her goal in the long run is to ensure Tokyo is fertile, which she gives her life for in her NG+ Chaos quest. Though she abandons the Ring before that.
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>>82734973
>>82734829
>why female characters always have to be weak?
>it's not really a female character if it's not weak
This is the problem with feminism.
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>>82733445
>>82733782
Could I attempt the same thing, certainly to far less success, in SJ with Madness Crush?

the wiki claims it has a base 50% auto-kill rate.

can I mitama a demon's Luck?

i'm not far enough in SJ to already know, and I don't remember if it would be similar to other games with that anyway.
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>>82735128
Im not asking for more female characters or anything just that the females are there actually be counted as females
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>>82735369
The one in the first SMT was the actual Lilith from the garden of Eden, demonized by YHVH because she thought demons and humans could live together in peace.
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>>82735369

Isabeau and kaga are female. Lilith is a bug and gabriel is a robot.
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>>82735478
>Lilith is a bug
bugs can be grills too
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>>82735369
>you'll never perish in her bosom
>your soul will never be free from pain
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>>82735478
Lilith is a Robot bug with feathers.

That orb above her head and her glowing eyes are also things the Four Archangels have. Well the Orb is something only Omoikane and Gabriel have besides her.
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>>82735593

Speaking of gabriel, does anyone else think that IV kind of broke her tone. She always came off as kind of androgynous in the way a lot of the angels did (but which ironically a lot of the named ones don't). Then in IV she's a fucking nun, which comes off very non androgynous. And her voice is very "womanly" in a way you don't imagine her angel form having.

To be fair, the monastery in IV was ironically a mixed one where male and female monks had similar outfits.
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>>82735756
>with feathers
she's an owl

the archangels are equally buggy, so it's not a good descriptor for differentiating them anyway
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>>82735857
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>>82735857
>She always came off as kind of androgynous
>posts a picture of post-smt1 Gabby, with boobs
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>>82735857
K had a crush on her when he was young. Though I don't remember when but some of his dialogue gave off the vibe that he's lived longer than most people.

Though his dialogue in the Chaos endings show he wants to see the kingdom end with his own eyes.
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>>82737009

>some of his dialogue gave off the vibe that he's lived longer than most people.

That's called being old. Which you can see by looking at him. He has to be at least close to 50, or at lowest 45. Which if gabby has looked like 30 since before he could remember would be odd to him.

Also, that is odd. Why does no one suspect that the clearly immortal girl may in fact not be human.
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>>82737130
I know that he's old, but some of his dialogue gives off the vibe that he's even older than he appears.

K notices it, but doesn't question it or at least he doesn't openly.
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>>82737256
Wait I mean he notices how strange it is she's still young.
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>gabby knows about every time a person in mikado has wanted to feel the warmth of her loins
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>>82737414
She can see all that happens in the kingdom. They even gloat about how powerless you are and that you'll eventually come groveling back to beg the Lord for forgiveness if you side with Walter.
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>>82737414
While we know Gabriel never puts out how often do you think lucy does?
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>>82737580
>posing as a school-girl

some, either to keep up appearances or to fuck with people.
but i wouldn't begin to guess what his sense of humor would be like or how he sees sexual economy with humans.
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>>82737732
I imagine that she only fucks people that she thinks are strong
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>>82738014
Lucifer fucks whoever is worthy or in the case of Majin Tensei he creates someone for the hero to fuck.
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>>82738493
>Lucifer fucks whoever is worthy
That's what I meant. Who ever manages to catch his interest. Strong in the sense of standing up to law/yhvh/whatever. Not in the physical sense
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>>82738493
>>82738673
"worthy" implies that they're somehow on the same level as an ancient, very powerful fallen angel.

but sure, he does love any mc that lives up to the ideals he has for humanity
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>>82738785
There's also the six ladies he got married to and had kids with in Devil Children.
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Damn, Metatron is actually a challenging boss in DeSu:OC, guess I got some fusing to do.
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>>82732292
>>82732395
>>82732473
What about death spells, doesn't luck increase the chances?
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>>82739198
I'm pretty sure they have a set value unlike normal hit chance.
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>>82738785
I think Lucifer falls for anyone with a big dick and who loves chaos
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Ey, guys, did that guy post up the one for Isabeau? I think I missed it.
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>>82748921
Dunno, I did see the one for Lucifer though.
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>>82748921
Lilith's comment about how you are too chaotic for a world of chaos when you piss her off by fundraising off her to much always gets me.
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>>82748921
Can anyone post the rest of these? I haven't seen them before but this is great.
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I just finished Soul Hacker

They see Nemissa after that right ? She's a demon, they summon her with magnetite ?
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>>82759024
She's different from other demons. She was born from Manitou to bring death to it.

She can return one day, maybe. In the meantime you stil have Nemechi, which are basically Nemissa's siblings that start out looking like Mechi.
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>>82759024

Well it's not as though we'll ever get a sequel to Soul Hackers.
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>soul hackers/devil summoner
that reminds me
in hundreds/thousands? of years, we only have
14 Raidous, but (assuming Taisho is 1920s/1930s) in 100~200 years they burn through 25 Raidous?

sure there were nukes and smt1, but how many catastrophes were there that overpowered that many Raidous?

i mean, smt2 takes place in 20XX, right?

what's the deal Kaneko? what are the mysteries of the akarana corridor?
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>>82762164

too bad we won't get a raidou game in the 70's or something
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>>82763492
Yup. Pretty much.
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>>82762953
>no cold war Raidou
>no behind the scenes of smt1 Raidou
>no Raidou drowning in pussy
>no smt4 continuity Raidou the 25th (there was an R 25th or something on the hunter leaderboards
>no Raidou/Corto Maltese crossover
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>>82763739
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>>82735282
I dont know about crits but a power charged Madness Crush with phys boost+amp wrecks shit like no one. Same with Fleeting Rain.

Mitama will only work like 3 times then use the luck stat app for leveling up.
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>>82765129
>...doesn't matter to me

christ, what a fag
glad he's optional
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>>82765301

He just wants to beat up his brother.
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>>82767796
>TFW your persona is not White
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Why does SMT promote sexist stereotypes?
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>Metatron is up to something
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>>82770537
Because ATLUS doesnt like fat dudes, name me one fat character that isnt an asshole or shitty stereotype.

You cant
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>>82769458
>TFW your persona is not The White
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>>82770726
Muccino
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>>82770932
Ih yeah that dude, he wasnt bad. No wonder why SJ is so great.
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>>82770537
Of course, demons are representative of other cultures :^)
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>>82770597
Finally managed to keep my team alive long enough to holy dance Betatron down.
Does the AG based builds work in OC like they worked in DeSu2?
I'd rather pass the mantle of the holy dancer to a partymember in the next playthrough.
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>playing smtiv
>fuse a lilim
>can't play anymore because every time i look at her i fap

wat do
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>>82780693
Fuse her. Preferably into a righteous angel that will prevent temptation.
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>>82780693
get more jaded towards fapping.
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>>82780693
>Not playing Raidou 2
>Not checking her in the compendium
>Not zooming out her ass or Boobs.
>Not faping till you dry
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>>82782850
>3D lilim

please no i can't take it
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>>82775994
Anyone?
>>82780693
Have fun playing through DeSu2
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>>82782938
Raidou 2 has many great asses, plus its a great game.

Play it!
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What's with those gloves anyhow?
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>>82783890
The tan makes the white pop. The white makes the tan pop. She looks good.
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>>82783890
It suits her well.
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>playing smt3
>be in the ikebukuro tunnels
man, Im so apathetic about this place, I just dont like it at all
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>>82770726
Kozy's ok
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Zero gravity boobs.
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>>82785321
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What do you think Albion feels like to touch?
Would he feel like jelly?
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>>82787576
>implying i wouldn't feel jelly
>that hard-on up to his navel
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>Chaturbhuja

I quit
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>>82788130
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>>82788260
But that only ever happens during the final phase unless you fuck up and use Almighty or fully buff/debuff.
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What was your reaction when seeing this motherfucker for the first time?
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>>82792568
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>>82792568
I really wonder what the book will do in regards to that, if it even goes down that path at all.

Volume 2 when?
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I've been playing SMT IV for a while now.

>fight boss
>lose
>fuse different demons (with nulls/repels on bosses attacks preferably)
>buff/debuff
>win

Is this pretty much all of SMT?
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>>82793789
Yes
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>>82793789

Yep.
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>>82793789
Yes, that's pretty much how these games work.
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>>82793789
Not when they start dekaja/dekunda and amighty spam
Then it's just a display of brute force
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>>82795259
This

That made the two final bosses hard as shit.
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>>82792568
Sheffield did nothing wrong.
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WHERE IS MY BREAK RECORD
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>>82796812
They are holding it to make another Persona spinoff.
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>>82796812
Something about Break Record
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>>82796812
2015
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You think Atlus will delay BR again.
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>>82797738
yes
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>>82797738
Undoubtedly.
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>metatron in Overclocked

How do I beat this faggot.
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>>82797990
Get null/repel/drain force on all of Abel's party, then holy dance him to death
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>>82797990
Get repel/null/drain phys or force in every party so he doesn't murder your parties, keep healing and resurrecting, clear the other angels and just holy/elec dance him to death.
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>>82798345
If I do that, then he'll start spamming Megidolaon on my party, and he recovers most of the HP at the end of the battle.
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>>82783690
>>82783690
what a stupid design.
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>>82798549
He only uses Megidolaon on his extra turn.
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>>82798921
I need proof
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ebola is law?
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>>82799525
What if every diseases is used by God to exterminate chaos people
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>>82788260
>Third Eye

Fuck you.
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>>82792568
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>recommending the king james bible over the greek bible

King james bible is shit, and retcons the lore.
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Which routes did you choose for all of MegaTen games you played?
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>>82800951
I always pick the answers that honestly sound the best to me.
Gotten neutral every time.
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>>82800951
I make the decisions i would make IRL and follow my ideals and my idea of the ideal world, i always end up _____Law______
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>>82801053
Mah nigga

>>82801994
Not too bad I guess.
At least you aren't ___Chaos
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>>82800951
Basically the same as >>82801053 and >>82801994

I went Law in IV and the Noaya route in overclocked.
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Hardcover= chaos
paperbacK=law

Prove me wrong.
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>>82802229
Lawfags don't own books.
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>>82802229
Hardcover is luxuor, paperback is casulary.
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Hey Merkabah! Someone's reading manga again!
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>>82802071
>At least you aren't ___ Chaos
>Chaos
Nigga, i'd rather end up in a cold gutter, dead and forgotten than go chaos.
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Let's do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOVPirMKXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKJo4uC9o_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3rtPD0C-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7CrUBDrPPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFhXPvElNZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o08Ir0Mf_qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDL5XWQVo

Post MORE!
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>>82787576
they're giant gummy bears
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>>82803709
Can they be devoured?
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>>82804023
they're too tough

it's like trying to eat frozen enemies
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>>82804023
No, because they aren't in DDS.
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So do Naoya and Kaido just share the same route like Gin and Haru?
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>>82770537
SMT1? Heroine follows you around and does whatever you do. Does she even think for herself?
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>mfw DDS ending.
I can feel the rage of the time it was released.

Heat was my favorite party member even if he was a complete jerk.
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how do i beat belial

he keeps using diarahan
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>>82804863
in SMTIV?

don't use buffs or debuffs
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>>82804863
Since when does he have Diarahan?
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>>82800951
First time?
SMT1: Neutral
SMT2: Chaos
Nocturne: TDE
SJ: Neutral
DeSu 1: Amane (only one open in addition to Yuzu)
DeSu:OC: Naoya
DeSu 2: Alcor
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I want more SRPG SMT games
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>>82805662
There is already 4, how many do you want?
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>>82805819
not him i just want my smt x fe
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>>82805819
>4
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>>82805893
>Implying that would be a SRPG.
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>>82805945
Oh, forgot about Ronde,
5 then.
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>>82804023
How are you supposed to devour something with null phys?
But you can in DDS regardless
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>>82805072
well that made the fight super fucking easy11
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>>82800951
SMT I/II/IV: Law
SJ: Neutral
Nocturne: TDE

That's what happens when the nice guy choices are the Law choices.
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What's the best way to grind for macca in SMT IV?
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>>82808207
Buy the DLC.
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>>82808207
Money DLC. Otherwise, I hope you like asking demons for money for hours on end.
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>>82808207

get money from a Shax or Barbatos. Make sure to bind them and max out the money app
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>>82808207
>You don't get macca for killing demons
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>>82808586
I did both those things, but where are these demons?
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>>82805893
SMT x FE isn't real
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>>82808882
Ground zero
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>>82809101
Neither was break record but we eventually got a trailer for it.
smt x fe 2017 my body is ready
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>>82809101
But I heard a rumor it's coming next spring!
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>>82809241
>Not 7102
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>>82809279

Well I heard a rumor that they were going to cancel it despite them saying otherwise last E3
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>>82810257
I heard a rumor that Atlus got cancelled
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>>82809116
Don't even know where that is.
If they give less than like 5000 macca per fundraise though, I'll probably just get the DLC. Know how much it costs?

the option to allow compendium demons with the search function makes it super easy to find the strongest demons you could possibly get
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>>82810257
I heard a rumor they remade it into Persona 4 x Fire Emblem Awakening and that Yu Narukami is going to be in Smash
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>>82810352

I heard that videogames got cancelled
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>>82810528
I heard existence got cancelled
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>>82810695
fucking hugo

everytime i see his fucking face i want to punch it is this just me
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>>82811048
But he's so innocent.
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>>82811173

It's funny how some people suspected that he'd be a villain but nope.
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Is the Kouga Saburo armor in IV only available through DLC?
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>>82806056
>Implying it won't be a SRPG
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>>82810695
MY EXISTENCE IS A BIT DIFFERENT
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>>82813275

hoy
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>>82813381
mañana
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>>82813275
>mfw my fujoshit friend went with walter/chaos because she thought he was handsome and ended up regretting it after seeing how edgy the chaos ending was
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>>82814309
>Starting a revolution against a corrupt system
>Guaranteeing freedom for all
>Letting both humans and demons live together
>Edgy
What
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>>82814469
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>>82814548

>I can't think of anything so I'll just use a reaction image!
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>>82814664
I'm a neutral fag what can I say
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>>82814841
Better with Chaos than lawfaggots.
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What's the name of the guy that did all of those self-imposed SMT challenges? I've been looking for his videos and can't find them
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>>82815185
Anonymous
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>>82815185

Well I did a solo run of DDS1 and 2. Is that what you mean?
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>>82815664
Was a Japanese guy that did shit like low-level Nocturne and solo Persona 4 expert.
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>>82815185
>beat lucifer with a preta
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>>82815753
hmm I'm not sure. I only know of one other guy who did a no compendium,fusion,evolving demons thing.
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>>82815974
Well shit. That sounds pretty cool at least
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>>82815974
So, SMT1 rules + no fusion

bonus points for first person mode.
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>>82803660
I can respect that people like the DDS soundtrack,
but I'm not hearing it,
I don't get it.
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Which SMT would you fuck?
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>>82817208
strange journey
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>>82817208
Devil Survivor
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>>82817208
Nocturne
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Why is maya such a slut?
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>>82817208
...dds?
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>>82793193
>Volume 2 when?

It got approved, so hopefully soonish.
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>>82817208
SJ
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Are there any SMT games that can be easily emulated on a phone.
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How do I make SJ not feel like a slog? I've gotten to the third tier, and everything just seems to be revealed at a snail's pace, and my protag feels more like a demon baby sitter than a space marine on a mission
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>>82818546
depends on your phone, i think
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>>82818546

The SNES ones
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>>82818650
LG G3 phone.

I can do game boy and snes game fine.
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>>82818765

check and see if there are any worthwhile PSX emulators for android. If there are, you can play the first couple of persona games
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>>82818597
Download a map on GFs and follow the shortest roads.
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>>82818727
SMT I + II?
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>>82819125
And KMT.
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>>82818597
>my protag feels more like a demon baby sitter than a space marine on a mission
He's just an ordinary guy, not some reincarnation of a biblical figure or a messian chosen one trained to fight demons his whole life or a half demon.
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>>82819532

I suppose then, the context is shifted? Space Marine isn't actually Doom Guy, but some one who happens to be able to enlist demons to fight demons, and needs to leverage this to save himself and the rest of his unit?

As you said, he isn't a reincarnated god, or chose demon-slayer, or half demon
>>
>Try Devil Survivor: Overclocked a few months ago
>Didn't like it
>See it laying around while cleaning
>Decide try it again, why not
>Now I can't put the damn game down

This is why I fucking love this series.
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>>82800951
SMTIII: Musubi
SMTIV: Chaos
DeSu OC: Naoya

...I haven't played any others. I'm kinda new around here.
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>>82808207
Buy the bullets that bind.
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>>82822037
that sounds like a title to a song
>The bullet that binds
I would listen to that
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Who would you main in a megaten fighting game that featuring Hero, Space Marine, Serph, etc.?
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>>82800951

Law. Early on, I was annoyed by the bias almost enough to take neutral, but in the end I'm glad I didn't. Neutral endings are boring as hell.
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>>82824738
What about alignment heroes?
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>>82814309

That's almost what happened to someone I know. They thought walter was hot at first and started agreeing with him until they realized he was an asshole and swerved hard into law.
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>>82824738
Zayin

also
>demifiend op, pls nerf
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>>82824738
Frost Ace
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>>82824738

Satan. Why anyone would pick anything else is beyond me. And just to show lucifer how much of a little pussy he is, satan swerved over to chaos in desuII just to show lucifer he could do it better, then made it back home in time to throw him screaming into hell.
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>>82825141
Why would you want to play someone that is weak to hugs?
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>>82825320

>Its the victim's fault for being raped.

Aren't you needed at your frat?
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>>82821619
You just don't want to get back to cleaning your fucking room, you filthy casualry. Careful, maybe you turn into a demon. One never knows these days.
>>
Don't ever stop struggling.
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>>82828331
DONT LOSE YOUR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
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http://strawpoll.me/2740064
help me decide what to play next /smtg/
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>>82832426
>no option to kill yourself because you're too weak and easily-influenced to make decisions for yourself
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>>82832938
>implying I didnt want to see what games people would choose
>implying Im not gonna play raidou no matter what
>implying Im gonna play mgs3
>implying I havent beaten is 5 times
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>>82832985
this is why i dont vote in polls
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>>82833634
http://strawpoll.me/2740398
:^)
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https://twitter.com/JohnLHardin/status/519964918616190976

This is so ridiculous. There isn't even that many weeks left. Fuck atlus.
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>>82825021
this reminds me of that pokemon reaction image with Jesse
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>>82800951
Neutral, Law, true demon, neutral for the mainline
chaos for SJ
chaos for raidou 2
Naoya good for DeSu
AO for DeSu 2
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>>82834308
WHAT IS SO FUCKING HARD ABOUT RELEASING IT? IT'S ALREADY BEEN TRANSLATED. HOLY FUCKING WHY ATLUS?
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>>82834604
My soulmate
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>>82834308
As I suspected
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Is it possible to impregnant a demon?
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>>82837654
Well?
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>>82825523
I don't even know how you extrapolated that from a joke you psychopath
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>>82843058
That's cute.
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>>82836551
I just realized Demifiend looks pretty arab.
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Where is he on the tier list of MegaTen protags?
I'd put him on a sorta-high place, personally. He IS just a regular space marine with lifesaving power armor, which is actually NECESSARY, unlike other power armors in games. Nor does he have regenerating health, and even if he did, it wouldn't save him.

No matter how you look at him, Space Marine is a badass.
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>>82844935
The armor itself is useless in the hands of someone who isn't awesome. That's why Space Marine is superior to all those other Soldiers and everyone relies on him. He's badass enough to bring out the potential of the Demonica.

IV's Demonicas don't have the adaptability, which makes them pretty useless.
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>>82845657
I just feel like talking about how awesome SJ is now, you know?

About to finish Jack's Bargain and fight Ouroboros, my alignment is Neutral right now, and turns out I have Orthrus, Raksasa, and just made Tlaloc, all 3 of which have fire skills.

I'm completely prepared for this upcoming boss, and it feels GOOD!

So tell me. What do YOU like about SJ?
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>>82845657
Wait, I thought the armor would be the same on everyone. Its just that his personal armor recorded much more combat data than the others and had grown a lot more powerful due to his personal efforts.
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>>82847537
It adapts according to the ability of its user. It's only as good as you are.

That's why most other soldiers die like bitches. They aren't as skilled as Space Marine, and thus their Demonicas are inferior.

Even Jack's Squad which came in with a lot of weaponry weren't that great compared to him.
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>>82847928
So let's say that Space Marine didn't have his Demonica but DID have demon allies, plus his gun and melee weapon.

How would he be then? Wouldn't he be similar to Aleph?
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>>82848197
No. Aleph was a genetically engineered super Messiah.
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>>82847928
You haven't exactly convinced me. You just restated what you thought it was. Any remember the exact dialogue? I don't have access to SJ right now, otherwise I'd start up the beginning again and check.
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>>82848257
Oh. No wonder.

But the way Space Marine is now, how is he compared to other protags?

>>82848370
Can't be assed to start a new game at the moment, still getting stuff done to prepare for the boss.
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>>82848197
No. Even then he'd still be a pez dispenser.

Note that everyone treats what he does as his capabilities though, not the suit. Even the Piece of YHVH is surprised at the power a son of man has when he defeats the strongest piece of YHVH.
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anyone have a screen shot of a demon calling the protag a manchild
>>
All right. Saved it.

Gonna fight Ouroboros now.
Orthrus, Rakshasa, and Tlaloc
All 3 Neutral like my Space Marine. Gonna pop off co-op attacks like nobody's business.

Wish luck. Knowing SJ, I'll need it.
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>>82848436
>But the way Space Marine is now, how is he compared to other protags?
Only two real ways to compare SMT protagonists. By what they achieve, and by their gameplay strength.

Going by what they achieve I'd say SM could be a peg above Hero, as Mem Aleph seems a much more impressive takedown than Michael. Aleph still blows him out of the water by taking down Lucifer, Satan and YHVH himself. Demifiend is hard to judge since it is hard to place Kagutsuchi in the pecking order, but I'd hazard a guess that it is on par with one of the lower avatars of YHVH like Sabaoth or possibly the fake YHVH fought in SMT II. But TDE Demifiend jumps up to roughly, or just below, Aleph levels since he is able to stand a chance in all out war with YHVH's forces and holds his own versus Lucifer. Flynn would probably be the rung below Aleph/TDE Demifiend, as he is able to take down Merkabah and a weakened Lucifer. Between Flynn and SM it is hard to say which had a tougher fight, so I could see it going either way.

Going by each's gameplay there are a few things to note. Demifiend would have both Pierce and an immunity to everything but Almighty, Gun and Earth attacks. Flynn likewise can get some pretty great immunities through some of his equipment but can never get Pierce. SM stands out somewhat as being relatively less useful than the other SMT protagonists I've mentioned throughout his game. Hero and Aleph deal a lot more damage and can keep an enemy locked down through specialty bullets very easily compared to his demon comrades. Demifiend is consistently better than his demons due to customizable stats, same for Aleph. SM lacks direct customization that the others have and also has less potent weaponry than Hero and Aleph.

Going by this I'd hazard a guess at:
Hero < Space Marine < Flynn < Demifiend < Aleph

But rankings like this are pretty hard to gauge, so conflicting opinions could be just as valid. And this is assuming TDE Demifiend.
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>>82849847
Actually I'd peg him above YHVH's Avatars. As his title Chaos is the highest title he can get, while Godly is below it.

And that he effectively killed the being who recreates and destroys the universe so dead that time itself ended for good.
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>>82849847
Abel would likely be high up on the food chain as well. He only awakened to his full power as an Overlord at the end of Naoya's 8th Day, but even summon the two weakest Bels he was capable of stopping the Four Archangels summoning and force Metatron's retreat.

Plus unlike as the Messiah he can essentially call forth demons who aren't under his command since the other courts also don't like God.
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>>82850028
Actually I was referring to Kagutsuchi with that, not the Demifiend.

>>82850169
I didn't want to comment on games I hadn't played.
>>
>>82850169
Never mind. I didn't realize you met mainline SMT.
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>>82850285
Any SMT game is fair game.
>>
Fuck Ouroboros. Trying one last time to beat her 1st form, then gonna go grind.

Strategy right now:
>Arachne, Tlaloc, Rakshasa
>Arachne Acid Breath + Rakunda
>Tlaloc Fog Breath + Maragion
>Rakshasa Agilao
>After the Acid Breath + Rakunda, replace Arachne with Orthrus
>Start getting 3 Rakukajas up with Rakshasa
>Spam Fire moves
>Hope no one dies to Mahama
I'm probably gonna fail.
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YES! IT WORKED!
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>>82837654
Yes Lilith plan was breed with humans in SMT1 she probably wanted to have the MC son.

>>82849847
I would put SM over Flynn since Flynn throught the game has extra allies like the Samurai and Lucifer or Merkhaba on his routes (Barring Neutral), plus SM defeated one of the strongest aspect of YHVH and defeated the Mother that brought him down in that game world.
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>>82853036
Mem Aleph was likely YHVH's equal in the past. Just like the original King of Bel ruled the entire world and took more than a thousand years before YHVH defeated him.
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>>82853036
>I would put SM over Flynn since Flynn throught the game has extra allies like the Samurai and Lucifer or Merkhaba on his routes (Barring Neutral), plus SM defeated one of the strongest aspect of YHVH and defeated the Mother that brought him down in that game world.
>Barring Neutral
I'd say we take the most impressive possible accomplishments from each game. Thus Flynn was able to take down Lucifer and Merkabah without the other's help. Flynn also fought and defeated the Demiurge, albeit one not as powerful. Mem Aleph didn't solo YHVH, her and the other mother goddesses teamed up to bring him down. Plus Flynn has Sanat and Ancient of Days under his belt as well.

But it is hazy, so I could see it either way. Mem Aleph seems pretty powerful.
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>>82853036
I would put SM over Flynn since Flynn throught the game has extra allies like the Samurai and Lucifer or Merkhaba on his routes (Barring Neutral)
Don't forget that SM needed extra help against Mem Aleph on both of his routes that fight her. Law has Zelenin singing to weaken her, and Neutral has Gore giving you the power of Enlightenment.
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>>82854098
Meant to quote that first line
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>>82853812
I barred neutral regarding the help he had since there we can judge him on his own prowess.

I bet the powerlevel discussion will get more heated when SMTxFE is out.

>>82853620
It makes me wonder in what Timeline YHVH is actually the creator of the world, looks like he just travels the multiverse to steal that world Gods place.

>>82854098
Yeah that and its not like he didnt had what it takes to defeat her considering before that he cant take down Demiurge.

I dont remember but isnt Flynn a reincarnation of someone? That would put SM another level since he is just a random human with special abilities or power. He has the same tools as everyone else.
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>>82854350
>It makes me wonder in what Timeline YHVH is actually the creator of the world, looks like he just travels the multiverse to steal that world Gods place.
Which is pretty impressive really. Winning the world of strength over and over.
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>>82853812
>>82854098
>>82853620
>>82853036
>>82854350
>>82854586
>Mem Aleph
>Two forms in a row.
>Gate attacks a.k.a. Severe-level multi-target elemental magic.
>Mother's Kiss a.k.a. 8 random attacks in a row for craptons of phys damage.
>Disaster Cycle a.k.a. Uber-Vanity
>Dekunda + Dekaja + ~600 HP heal all in one move.
>MA a.k.a. 100% unblockable fail-less instant kill that can be used on Space Marine, and when used on any other demon, also absorbs their HP without fail.

Space Marine deserves to be on a high tier for simply defeating her, for fuck's sake.
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>>82854815
Yet at the same time any other SMT protagonist would have had an easier time fighting her. Except maybe SMT 1, I don't remember if it had Divine Retribution.
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>>82854815
I'm not entirely sure if that's her true power either. Her Empty form seems like it is just like the Scharzwalt, as it's mentioned negative energies that create nothing enter the place when the earth is rotting and she is likewise a mirror of the planet.
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>>82855039
Name one.

>>82855092
You still gotta give props to SM in taking her down, yeah?
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>>82855039
Realisticlly the only demon any protagonist wouldnt take down would be Beldr.

Plus in MA case it depends wether they get the ability to see her, otherwise they would be fucked up.
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>>82855298
>Name one.
Aleph, Demifiend, Flynn. Aleph could Divine Retribution the shit out of her with his demons for massive damage while slashing away for fuck loads on the side. Demifiend is Demifiend, probably the strongest in-game playable SMT character. Flynn could get pretty damn powerful pretty damn easily and could deal with most of her shit, probably second place after Demifiend. SM had trouble keeping up with his demons sometimes, the others don't have that problem.
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>>82855596
This anon (>>82855339) has a valid point. IF they can't see Mem Aleph, they're fucked.

But we should make a list of the most bullshit attacks we can think of that we hate the fuck out of.
Any move goes.

My money (ha ha ha) is on Macca/Wastrel Beams.
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>>82855851
>This anon (>>82855339) has a valid point. IF they can't see Mem Aleph, they're fucked.
No he doesn't. Aleph could see YHVH himself, he's fine. Demifiend's a demon and demons could perceive Mem Aleph just fine. Flynn can already analyze and see similar abominations like Sanat just fine.
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>>82855993
>Flynn can already analyze and see similar abominations like Sanat just fine.

Sanat doesnt compare to Mem Aleph though, she is the fucking mother of humans and demons alike. Demifiend couldnt see her since he is half/half (Probably a guess) and when what its said in SMT 2 that you cant see YHVH?
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>>82855993
He can only vaguely see them until an unknown light appears and allowed it.

How he did that is unknown.
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>>82856261
>Demifiend couldnt see her since he is half/half (Probably a guess)
Jimenez didn't have a problem. Plus Demifiend is full demon by the end of TDE, which would be the preferred route if talking about potential strength of the protagonists.

> when what its said in SMT 2 that you cant see YHVH?
It isn't. Yet a shattered fragment of his is unseeable in SJ unless you have the proper app. It can be assumed that YHVH himself would have been the same kind of formless demon had they thought up that idea by SMT2. And since it seems to be tied to the strength of the demon, only the absolute strongest being so foreign to our dimension, then YHVH would have been at least as hard to perceive as Mem Aleph. And Aleph managed fine against him.

>>82855993
>>82856303
>Sanat doesnt compare to Mem Aleph though, she is the fucking mother of humans and demons alike
>He can only vaguely see them until an unknown light appears and allowed it.
The strength of demon really is a non-issue here. Since neither Flynn nor SM could see either on their own. They both needed an outside influence to render them visible. So arguing that the SM would have an easier time fighting MA based on something completely independent of his own power is silly.
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>>82857153
>>82855993 should have been >>82856261 again. My bad.
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>>82857153
In Mem Aleph's case she breaths on you, which apparently makes you STR enough to see her.

In Law you actually weaken her thanks to Zelenin's song, so both her forms are weaker since she's using the song during the fight.
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>>82857818
Her stats are the same between Law and Neutral when you fight her though, so whatever amount Law weakens her it can be assumed Gore's enlightenment weakens her the same amount. Not sure what that has to do with >>82857153 though.

Wonder what Mem Aleph's breath smells like. Probably a refreshing breeze.
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>>82858914
The power given to Space Marine allows him to view her on the Neutral Route.

As for the stats bit, I think it's likely they didn't want to change her stats since she's the final boss for both routes and she doesn't have an unique alternat form for each. Unlike Jimenez and Zelenin.
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>>82859354
>The power given to Space Marine allows him to view her on the Neutral Route.
But that power isn't permanent. He gives it up to help Arthur kill himself.
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>>82859516
>He gives it up to help Arthur kill himself.

Never forget.
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>>82859516
That power likely beefed him up as much as Zelenins song weakened Mem Aleph. So her stats stay the same in the eyes of the Space Marine.
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>>82859679
Forget what? That I busted up a soulless machine so that people, not just humans, could live free?
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>>82859991
Nah, otherwise random encounters would have been easier. It only worked in regards to Mem Aleph.
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>>82860046
You who have been tainted by demons, you are a demon wearing the crew uniform.

Adatation!
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>>82860183
That's cause the power only activates when in her presence.
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>>82860289
Chaos was really the best choice. We were at war with a race of people whose home we had stolen. The options were to either make peace, nuke them or lobotomize everyone.
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>>82860752
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>>82860752
They don't really nuke them. The Scharzwalt still exists as an alternate dimension, where you even start up a Fairy Village. What they did was basically close the hole it was using to appear on earth.
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>>82860915
>Neutral nuked every single friendly demon who helped them
What dicks.

>>82860954
The bomb's quoted purpose is to destroy the Schwarzwelt.
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>>82861243
Yeah i feel like a dick destroying the place, what about the fairy village and did Frost Ace escaped?
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>>82861406
No, he didn't. You should have gone Chaos.
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>>82861243
Then that leaves the question of where all that negative energy is supposed to go if it's no longer going there since it's a mirror of the earth.
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>>82861449
I did.

I did beat all paths, one for a different playthrought
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>>82861634
Maybe it just goes there and does nothing since there's no longer a "mirror" to "reflect" it.
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I forgot
is it "Yimenez" or "Himenez"?
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>>82862295
Then that would suggest it still exists and they only closed. Otherwise the energy would likely stay on earth and make things worse since they destroy.
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>>82862304
I think Himenez typically.
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>>82862509
oh
yeah... oops.

double Ls are "y"
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>>82862459
Even if it exists, everything that was in it was destroyed. Plus IIRC the neutral ending talks about not letting the same mistakes happen again, so it seems like the slate was just wiped clean. Everything could go bad again, but the demons were all purged for now.
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>>82862710
Demons still exist. Only the ones sent from the Scharzwalt vanished. Amaterasu even mentions that she traveled to that land when she felt the call of the Mothers and she leaves once she returns to her senses.
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>>82863091
That's what I meant.
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>>82864115
Purge makes it sound like all demons were wiped out, not just the ones from Tiamat's vagina.
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>>82864456
They were purged from the Schwarzwelt, which is what we were talking about.
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Walking around in the middle of Delphinus I realize suddenly a lot of the demons are outright refusing to talk with me.
Is it an alignment thing or what?
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>>82865345
Dark alignment, presumably.
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>>82865345
Dark aligned or full moon.
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>>82865445
>>82865920
Viewing the compendium for the few demons I managed to fuse, yeah, plenty are indeed Dark. It's such an odd choice to hardass things at that point. Oh well.
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Man, ripping SJ textures is a pain.
Fornax only has two wall textures, and the game pastes on them other smaller textures, sprites and particles to add variety.
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>>82866079
Well if you really want them wait for a full moon and equip the Lunatic and enemy welcome app, the lunatic app allows conversation in a full moon.
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>>82866809
Ohhh, I didn't know Dark demons were recruitable during a Full Moon. That's what I get for only skimming all the logs.
It's less of a recruit thing than a way to avoid battles when I'm hurting for resources or I simply don't want to deal with Bomb/Macca Beam bullshit. Was getting my ass kicked by Mega Claws as well until I stopped being an idiot and picked up a vest that's strong vs Phys.
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Okay so the MCs of SMT so far has been:

SMT 1: High School Student.
SMT 2: Genetically engineered super Messiah.
SMT 3: Half demon half human protagonist.
SMT SJ: A nationaly ambigous Space Marine.
SMT 4: A pretty pony tailed Samurai.

So what kind of Protagonist the SMT 5 protag will be?
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>>82870054
A genetically engineered half-demon student.
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>>82866696
atlus is fucking amazing at recycling

with that in mind how small are their budgets? they recycle designs for twenty years, reuse and remix tracks constantly, reuse models, animations, gameplay elements

sometimes i think they have shoji meguro tied to a chair and table that says 'PERSONA 4 NEEDS YOU"
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>>82870054
A sexy girl in a big world trying to find someone to love. By the end she realizes that to be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment, so she joins the world of str
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>>82871001
Even as a joke, this probably isn't far off
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>>82870054

A nationally ambigious pony tailed super Messiah space marine
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>>82871431
I'm really impressed that they can recycle so much and still have every single game feel unique and different. That takes talent.
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>>82871431
I wouldn't call SJ's textures recycling. It's just a different and clever way to decorate environments.
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>>82873871
It's the Schwarzwelt. Course it would reuse it's own textures in creating itself! Case in point: Grus
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>>82802229
Law is all about control and maintaining it. The pages would never wrinkle, so Law is hardcover.

lawfags
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>>82875918
I like hardcovers for their stability, which doesn't need maintenance or interference to sustain them, unlike those of paperbacks.

Why, yes, I AM Neutral.
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So what problem do people have with Law?

The big complaints I see seem to be about genocide and lack of freedom, which seem worth it to me. Freedom is only the chance to fuck things up, why bother with it if you could make the choice that makes you happy every single time instead? And killing is necessary sometimes to achieve a greater goal, and what greater goal is there than eternal utopia? Its a sad necessity.
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>>82876997
>killing is necessary sometimes to achieve a greater goal
I agree, we should end the universe so there will be no more suffering.
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>>82876997
It's all about opinions anon. I personally like humanity the way it is, so I'm a neutralfag.
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We need a female protag for the next game
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>>82877289
We need to be more progressive than that, how about an lgbt protag?
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>>82877243
Why do that when you could make it so that there is only joy, rather than a universe deprived of everything?

>>82877279
Law endings don't always change humanity, though I'll admit I have no problem when they do. But I understand, you appreciate the modern perspective with its ups and downs.
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>>82877506

a blt protag sounds even better
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>>82876997
Angels are more than capable of fucking things up while still being Law.

Look at the three Archangels in II and how they were planning on repeating it again in DDS world but now as cannibals. Then there's that universe destroying plan they had in in Devil Children Red/Black Book, then trying to summoning White Book.

Plus Law is sometimes willing to blame everyone for something when it's a minority who do it. Like in DeSu where the Angels wanted to enforce their will on Mankind but God stepped in and had the Lockdown instead, with them blaming all mankind for what the Shomonkai had done, and their leader did it because he learned God would put forth a trial in man's future somewhere down the road.

And there's the corruption and decadence of Law, including those who don't follow the Angels. Like the Tento Lord's and their abuse of their control over the Tsukigata village, and YHVH thought a system involving giant despair locusts whose sole purpose is to drive people into despair by killing them was a smart way to get people to believe in Him.

Other times YHVH and his forces are incredibly petty. Like in Majin Tensei where he wanted all mankind to die and didn't even bother with any chosen ones, only to fuck off and still leave Satan behind to murder everyone.

Plus isn't His motivation for wanting to wipe out mankind in Megami Tensei II because people were worshiping Lucifer instead of Him?
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>>82877506
If that happens I would stop playing SMT games.
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>>82876997
Genocide of Humans and Demons = Okay I can kinda accept that as needed since both cause problems
Genocide of all other living creatures = Fuck you, you assholes! They didn't even do anything wrong yet you genocide them in the process of murdering the ones who did!

And the Angels support the Yosuga's world of STR in Nocturne.
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>>82877506
Isn't that what Flynn is?
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>>82878096
The other living creatures are mindless animals who can easily be reborn. And Angels led astray by YHVH's absence aren't always the best for Law as SMT II showed.
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>>82876997
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>>82878287
Even when they aren't lead astray they can still be manipulative, power hungry assholes. Like Mastema in SJ. Despite his desire for a promotion everything he does is because it is part of Law's agenda. He just gets a promotion out of it.

King Abaddon has shown me that animals are not only intelligent, they also know about humans killing them. Most are too afraid of what will happen to them but don't know how to resist.

One of the guys who embraces King Abaddon and wears a Shinado mask even eats the bull he's had all his life and wanted to do so much for the man who raised it.

Not to mention according to Merkabah they follow God's Order, so by killing them they are murdering those who follow the Lord.
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>>82878817
>manipulative, power hungry assholes
>Mastema in SJ
>everything he does is because it is part of Law's agenda.
>He just gets a promotion out of it.

You don't trust me, Son of Man?
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>>82878817
Wait! The cow is eaten in the end? What about the chicken?
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>>82878817
Angels are demons like any other. Without YHVH's plans to direct their innate selfishness and aggression they would be no different from their Chaos brethren indulging in hedonism at the expense of others. Angels aren't perfect but the closer they come to YHVH the closer to perfection they become.

As for animals they are indeed creatures of YHVH's plan. And their naive innocence is a beautiful thing. But all creatures must serve to make a better life for others, and in turn be fulfilled. If their sacrifice is required, then so be it. It is a sad thing, but so is any death.
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>>82879156
Only in IV do I trust you, and that's because you genuinely believe you are doing the Lord's will.

>>82879391
The chicken lives. The girl lets him live and the chicken realized she's far wiser than the adult villagers.

>>82879527
YHVH is just a demon with more power than some others. He is no different from his angels.
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>>82879527
>induling in hedonism at the expense of others.
Funny that a number of them support Shijima in Nocturne, while the angels and the angelized Ose and Flauros aid Yosuga.

And not all fallen angels embrace such indulgences. Of course most do, but at the same time most are just demonized Gods rather than true angels.
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>>82879795
>>82879156
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>>82879795
>YHVH is just a demon with more power than some others. He is no different from his angels.
YHVH is far more than a mere demon. He is eternal and everlasting, and will always be recreated even if destroyed. His dominion is inevitable.

>>82880035
>Funny that a number of them support Shijima in Nocturne, while the angels and the angelized Ose and Flauros aid Yosuga.
Yosuga followers chose the wrong Reason for the right reasons and vice versa. The angels wanted a world where the most righteous and beautiful could take charge, namely themselves. After all, YHVH came into power under much the same circumstances. Meanwhile the demons joining Shijima viewed it as a shortcut to godhood.
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>>82880553
Lucifer is also eternal and everlasting. Such is the nature of the flow of time.

Though unlike Lucifer, there are worlds where YHVH has no influence, such as DDS and Devil Children.
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>>82877917
But we've had a gay protag.
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>>82877506
How bout a schizophrenic tranny with elephantitis of the brain
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>>82880553
Despite that, Shijima would also make them emotionless beings who follow the world's will. So they give up what makes them alive to be cogs in the machine.

The angels probably joined Yosuga because they get to murder those who are unworthy to boot, since genocide is a regular pastime of theirs.
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>>82878120
Flynn is just a horrible Frenchman.
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So I take it the war with YHVH didn't go well for Lucifer?
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>>82882009
In IV's verse it didn't.

Unless he was messing with everyone and pretending he was at full power, cause it's not the first time he's called something his truest/true form.
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We don't need a female protag, go away.
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>>82879795
>The chicken lives.

Good but im sad the bull died.
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>>82882009
Who seriously thought this was a good design

He looks like a fucking disco alien
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>>82882314
Who cares one way or another?
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>>82882009
I have a crazy theory that this Lucifer is the fetus Setsu becomes in IMAGINE.

>>82882350
It lived a long and happy life and it did want to make the old man happy. Though being eaten while he's one of Shinado's Despair flunkies probably wasn't the way he intended.
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>>82882314
>tfw no demon tamer waifu to rescue
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>>82882314
I couldn't care about a female protag but if they shoehorn LGBTQTPIGTAV stuff into it I'm quitting.
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>>82882314
the last female smt protag was made one of the developer's canon waifu
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>>82882314
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>>82882996
Who the FUCK are you?
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>>82882314
He i think it would be nice but as a choice, then again FemMC worked well for P3P but ATLUS retconed it out of excistance.
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>>82883652
Your prom date, you ugly sack of shadow
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>>82883652
Looks like some sort of corpse.
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>>82882009
He had to get a job at the Krusty Krab to pay the bills.
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>>82873871
I agree, they did an amazing job making some beautiful levels with the resources they had.
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>>82886117
>See this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6ltiJ-2pHA&index=16&list=PL5C0B03AA8CB72C7A plays.
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>evening of the 8th day
>still in ikebukuro tunnels
>still apathetic about playing
help me in my time of need anons
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>>82886886
You get a Magatama that teaches you Chaos Blade after beating all 4 Oni.

Also, just Estoma, Lightoma, Liftoma, and try all paths. Not too bad, really.

You DO have Demon Broker Pisaca, right Anon?!
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>>82887057
is chaos blade good?

its falling through the floors anon, I hate it

and I used my lightoma, estoma and liftoma demons in fusions and now I need to grind money to get them back

should I go work on the kalpas in the meantime and get some money?
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>>82887057
n-no I d-dont have pisaca, should I go get him?
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black bars

black bars black bars

I wonder what Zelenin's butt smells like
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>>82887781
>Russian food

>Russian colon health

>believes Mastema

probably shit.

not that one still wouldn't tongue her fart box at a moment's notice

What do Gabby's vaginal drippings smell like?

probably yeast
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Use another spoiler you faggots.
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>>82888596
Adachi is the killer
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>>82888596
ok

anon, why do you hate spoilers?
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>>82888716

Hikaru is Lucifer.
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>>82888596
Flynn dies in the canon ending
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>>82888596
Fuck you
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>>82606750
How do i ____ this love
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>>82889003
rape?
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>>82888949
ayy lmao
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I wonder what YHVH and Lucifer's last thoughts were as they were completely deconstructed alongside the rest of the universe?
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>>82890614
i want the withe to go.
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>>82890868
>Withe
What the fuck?
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>>82891087
White
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>>82890614
YHVH: NO! I'M THE CREATOR OF ALL! UNPARALELED BY ANY!
Lucifer: Fuck the White
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>>82890868
>I want the demons to win
Why?

>>82891241
Sounds pretty good.
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Asura made the ebola.
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>>82889003
Rend? Slaughter?
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>start to play SMT II

Jesus fuck

It's so old
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>>82892052
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>>82892378
Why did he age?
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>>82892378
i want to fuck old lucy.
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>>82892445
Because he felt like it.
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How should I kill my friends, /smtg/?
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fuck you atlus.
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>>82892793
Hit them until they die.
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>>82892793
with blowjobs.
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>>82892793
Utterly and completely, without a chance to fight back.
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>>82892793
trick them into killing each other
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>>82892793
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>2014
>not having your DIY Demonica
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>>82892052
No shit! I started it yesterday, I'm up to when you first go to the underworld and I can't take it anymore. Does it git gud later or should I just carry on with the other MT games.
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>>82894885
>i am a scrub
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>>82894885
>>82892052
>nocturnebabbies
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>>82892052
if you can stomach SJ you can stomach SMT I/II

i tried II first, but couldn't take it. SJ upped my tolerance and taught me how to navigate without textures

Playing on a console also helps, imo
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>>82896065
the good thing of SJ was the second screen map.

SMT II is frustrating because of that.

>and the endless backtracking
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>>82894417
why

you can buy bandoleers and ammo holders just like the canon ones online, besides the helmet all you need to do is paint

although i will say the suit has a plastic look that I can't imagine IRL

it almost looks like leather
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>>82895985
To be fair the only reason im playing SMT 2 is because the story because the gameplay and dungeon crawling is boring as hell, and i beat FF3 on Nes.
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What's your excuse for not going Chaos?
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>>82895901
>>82895985
You aren't answering my question
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>>82896608
making the commander proud.
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>>82896608
But I already did. Killed my waifu and everything. When do the orgies start?
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>>82896608
>ashera
>not maya
>not mem aleph
>going full casualry
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>>82896771
What is exactly what push you off, i think if you get interested in the story you can push throught the game despite its almost lame gameplay (Your demons are uselless and magic is always shit).

Anyways if you dont like it dont force it.
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>>82896608
Too busy being Neutral.

Can you comprehend THAT, Chaosfag?
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>>82897071
More, please. Never enough Maya lewds.
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>>82898501
new thread
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>>82897878
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