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So when do we think the changes will hit?

>>188461582
if its anytime soon everyone at apac playoffs gets fucked royally

gnomerafu best waifu

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Do you think they're gonna do more Hero cards or is it going to be dead like inspire and quests?
Discover remains the only thing they keep making after the expansion hit.

>>188461638
I don't see it happening. I mean maybe few expansions from now, some different kind of hero card... but it won't be a common thing.

also I would think they will add more inspire stuff at some point.

>>188461428
I get that he's a staple and I play more Rogue myself than anything but he's a crutch

I was playing handlock and that classicaly sucks to him but he limits Rogue just as much as Auctioneer does

I miss going Questing Coin Conceal on turn 3 vs. Warlock, just how terrible is Miracle in Wild? Should I wait for the nerfs to jam it on ladder there?

>>188461308
>not running Blastcrystal Potion or Spellbreaker

>>188461582
Perhaps after next weekend when NA prelims end

>>188461876
I do run spellbreaker, never lucky BabyRage

>>188461845
As long as you don't run into Pirates, Miracle is as good as it always was.

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hmmm

>>188461991
Umbra

Keleseth is stupid, finja is bad and gets you crap murlocs for synergy picks.

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Not even in arena I can escape from Jade Druid

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would you

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I really, really like sagas's artwork

And also both frost lich and dreadlord jaina

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>run on auto-pilot
>play Hallucination
>accidentally click on a card before seeing it
>it's Treachery

I need to stop.

>>188462346
Just use your other hallucination for howlfiend, how dumb are you?

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Was this a good turn?

>>188461991
I'd go with Keleseth.
Mage is probably the class that can deal the most with having no 2 cost cards. Just value the 1 cost cards a bit more for the rest of the draw, so you might play them on turn two, and also most of them will be +1+1.

Arena is about pure value, there isn't much value than a 2 mana 2-2 gives your minion like +20+20 stats.

I think this is worth not taking other 2 costs.

So I started playing again recently and holy shit, Spreading Meme and Memefestation are so insufferable to play against. If you try to rush down Jade before it starts playing infinity 1 mana fucking 10/10 11/11 12/12 etc. you get punished by a wall of fucking 5 health taunts. If you play conservatively you get punished with 5 damage removal that spawns a fucking 5/5 and refuels their entire hand - there's no consequences for only playing ramp cards because you can hit 10 mana as a Druid by turn 5 and then draw into your elephants, plagues, idols, etc. what th fuck is Jade Druid even weak against besides Aggro Druid, when even Aggro would get walled by Plague? This expansion plays worse than Shamanstone, at least Shamans didn't get two copies of a card that does damage, heals, plays a body and draws five fucking cards. Elise is a legendary that gives you 5 cards on a delay and a 5/5 body but Druid gets all that plus more in two epics?!
Then lwhat happens if Jade gets nerfed? Priest pops up with its 0 mana damage spam, turn 4 Y'Shaarj and/or playing like five copies of that bullshit statue with taunt, lifesteal, 8 fucking health and does 2 for 1 when you trade into it. Why in god's name would they make these cards that do like twenty different things at a time? I think my last twenty matches have been against exclusively Druid and I can't even escape it in Casual or Wild mode. What the fuck.

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>>188462393
Very dumb apparently, but I actually would like to know what the chances are of getting both.

Still won.

>>188462104
2 mana to (50% of the time) swap the order of the next 2 cards, and 50% of the time do nothing at all?

So (I know this isn't an extremely accurate way to count things) but it's like paying 4 mana, on average, for every 'swap' you want to do.

And sometime it's not a game winning swap or anything, you'll just take an irrelevant card that is 5% better than the other irrelevant card...

Or if both cards are above your mana cost, again it does nothing.

Short answer : no.

>>188461468
They said ice block won't go to HoF until at LEAST next rotation. Better than nothing but still a way off.

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>fiery win axe finally gets axed after 3 years

I thought this day would never come.

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>>188462925
>imagine Warlock had 19 HP

What's the play?

>>188463140
Now warrior got no removals for early drops, happy?

Warleader nerf.

Is this the end for mid-range paladin?

>Nerfing warrior when both pirate warrior and fedora warrior are no longer at the top
>Nerfing shaman when its no longer at the top
>Not touching priest
>Nerfing druid core even more so after jade and koft rotates its the worst deck in the game because you dont want to give back dust for 2x epic
Everyday i want team 5 to die in a fire even more

If fiery war axe costs 3 frostbolt also should cost 3

>>188463196
fan, auctionneer, giants into 4-7 and 2 into face, trade 1-1 into doomguard.

>>188463320
Gotta kick them while they're down, anon

>>188463320
People get 1600 dust twice

I didnt get shit fuck blizzard

>>188463196
>>188463372
2 fan, trade everything, 1 giant face. Yeah think that's better.

>>188463196
Prep, Coin, Concede

>>188463359
>a weapon that deals 6 damage - or 9, or 12... should cost the same as a spell that deals 3 damage (or, rarely, 4).

And frostbolt doesn't enable a bullshit deck.

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your avg druid hand

>>188463476
I would be at 11 Health, take 4 from the next fatigue, so he would need 7 damage in order to kill me, or another Taunt to stall until I die from fatigue.

All things considered, that does seem like the play with the highest chances of winning.

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I would have still won this game if he didn't get the Nether card from Lich King :)))))))

If they clearly identified Spreading Plague as the issue card, why didn't they give it a nerf that actually matters and make it 7 mana? Holy fucking shit, he followed this up with Malfurion too

>>188463749
>9, or 12
More like 11 or 17

>>188463819
Yeah, I'm not familiar with this deck, but they surely run Bonemare? So you can't leave a 1-1 on board, and have to fan twice. (fanning only once means you can't kill either the doomguard or the demon shit, unless you trade a giant into it but then you can't win).

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When does the next rotation to wild happen? I can't stand the cancer anymore

>>188461468
I couldn't visit the general for the last 3 days.
So what's the consensus on the nerfs? Can Ben and Co get any more retarded?

>>188464143
i hope to god handlock will be semi viable after jade '''nerfs'''

>>188463873
the nerf is all wrong anyway.
it doesn't do much against control, all it does is to allow other cancer decks (pirate etc.. ) to kill this cancer deck with more ease.

that should not be the goal, it should be to get the 'fine' decks to beat these cancer decks.

What they could've done is to make their HP lower. It doesn't do much against aggro, but against control it would help a lot, either to clear them with AoE's, or with your board.

Because when they use this, usually most of your minions can't kill a 5 health minion in 1 hit. So the wall stays for more than 1 turn, and this is deadly against a class like druid, to do nothing great for 2 turns, just ram a wall.

If they were 1-3 it'd be closer to balance. Can't kill them with the 'basic' clears like consecration, and if you clear them with hellfire well you butcher your board as well, etc..

>>188464409
>it doesn't do much against control, all it does is to allow other cancer decks (pirate etc.. ) to kill this cancer deck with more ease.
Except it doesn't, there's literally no difference between 5 mana and 6 mana for a Druid.

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Reminder that Druid can do plenty of really cool things and the Jade mechanic single-handedly ruins it forever in one format or another

>>188464069
That sounds about right. Many players would shy away from that option because they don't want to take extra fatigue damage, but in this case it would have definitely been worth it.

>>188464409
>cancer decks (pirate etc.. ) to kill this cancer deck with more ease.
Pirates got hit harder than druid.

>>188464180
They nerfed the right Druid cards, they finally addressed a weapon that has been OP since the dawn of time (although probably not the best idea to just change mana cost with the reasoning they gave) and they randomly nerfed Hex, which was a strong card but shaman hasn't even been playing as of late cause devolve usually gets more shit done against flood decks.
Warleader nerf was good too, but only because they are retarded with health auras, same reasoning that got blood imp nerfed in the first place, if a creature is 1/1 and the creature giving the aura health dies that creature should just die.

>>188464475
Not sure what you mean really.
If you're talking about innervating it on turn 4, well it could've been innervated on turn 3 before the nerf.

And if you're talking about ramping, well even if you use it on the actual turn 4, before the nerf that would've been the actual turn 3.

Regardless of how/when he use it, it's gonna be 1 turn later.
Pirate can do a hell of damage in 1 turn.

>>188464409
Nah they correctly you identified it abd even said they were GOING to do the right thing, and then fucking didn't

Fun

>>188464583
Sure, but they nefed almost all Druid counters harder than they nerfed Druid itself.

>>188464069
Warlock doesn't run Bonemare

>>188464718
That screenshot is from a Krul deck..
You run 30 different cards and can't find a spot for bonemare?

>>188464768
No

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>>188464612
>Nah they correctly you identified it abd even said they were GOING to do the right thing, and then fucking didn't

>>188464583
They didnt nerf UI, they didnt nerf plague enough, and the innervate nerf is iffy because druid has a very weak core since FoN and lore died. Now its literally a counterfeit coin like rogues, which is total shit.

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>nerfs massively trigger reddit
>brode gets downvoted into obscurity
>reasonable discussion is ignored

Lovely.

>>188464807
Phoneposting at work and such, but it is a pretty straightforward statement

They stated they were heavily considering making Plague 7 mana, and then said "well huh maybe that's just too hard on it I mean we're nerfing Innervate too right? :)"

>>188464864
UI doesn't need to be nerfed, it's a 10 mana spell, other classes just need late game cards that are as good as that, since forever this game has been about the early game, and they finally printed a late game card worth a fucking damn and now people are crying for it to be nerfed when it isn't the problem alone, a 10 mana spell should be powerful but hard to cast, and innervate made it really easy to get it off by turn 6 or even 5 if you got enough ramp which was why the win rate of it being cast was so high.

priest makes this game not fun

>>188465128
Sorry but 10 mana doesn't mean they should be bullshit I win cards if you draw them before your opponent does.

>Fiery war axe
>2 mana
>3/2 weapon
>Reads: Destroy this weapon after hitting the enemy hero
Would it be a better nerf? Hurts pirates without destroyin control forever.

>>188464913
>brode gets downvoted into obscurity
>check his profile
>massively upvoted
¿¿¿

>>188465195
Absolutely, they should just be bullshit I win cards if you cast them before your opponent does, which was why innervate was nerfed, do you understand now?

>>188465195
Isn't that exactly what the DK cards are, just at varying mana costs?

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>>188465375
Not that anon, but Brode getting only 39 upvotes is pretty unusual. Usually he can write whatever he wants and he would still get millions of upvotes.

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>mfw winning off a Swashburglar card
It never feels better.
It's the ONLY RNG card in the whole deck but...
Christ.

>>188464913
It's still typical reddit anus licking. They're not mad about the nerfs or the money grubbing or the blatant lies; all of those posts are just "Ummm Mr. Brode I'm okay with the war axe nerf but ummm m-maybe you don't have to insult me next time?"

>>188465520
>play Swashburglar
>get Antonidas
I'd say I felt bad about this but then I remember I was playing against a mage and can easily say he deserved it.

>>188465417
No, not at all.
They bring you closer to a win condition but that's not the same thing at all.

>>188465128
Pyroblast was run in some decks.
So you for 10 mana in both case you deal 5 damage

With Pyroblast, you deal another 5 damage.
With UI you spawn a 5-5, get 5 armor (more useful than dealing 5 damage, because you're not aggro), and you draw 5 fucking cards.

Which one do you think is best?
Now, the one you (hopefully) think is best, you can also use him 2-3 turns earlier. The only drawback is that you need to use one or two ramping cards, which means that on top of 5 damage, you 'ONLY' get :
spawn a 5-5, get 5 armor, and draw 3-4 cards.

Ramping up used to have huge drawbacks, becuase it was about using cards that did nothing (aside from ramping up). But this card negates that. Put it this way : If you could have 4 innervate in your hand on turn 2, you would innervate x 4 and UI. Who cares about spending 5 cards on it? You get 5 back, and you kill a minion, spawn one, etc..

If you ever played druid, you know how fucking stupid it is when you almost never get to use the second UI, because you just can't get your hand cardlow enough (unless you get to ""fatigue"" (aka only jade idols).

So these ramping cards have no drawback at all you're always full of cards. That's all on UI.
Without UI, ramping up has a cost, a permanent one. You will ALWAYS be 1 card down if you use 1 ramp card, 2 cards down if you use 2...
But with UI you won't. You'll avoid using card draw because you'd burn some cards, so you're not any card down anymore.

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IS THERE A BETTER FEELING?

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Why does one of the weapon classes have a strictly worse eaglehorn bow? And then you start blabbering about class Identity the very next paragraph. What in the actual fuck?
Yeah fuck pirate and fuck heavy control warrior, as if FWA was the culprit of what makes those decks so annoying to play against. Now quest shaman and druid are even more dead because the other druid decks and murloc paladin were insufferable.

Yes I mad.

>Play Control Buffadin
>Lose because Priest can do like 6-10 FREE face damage per turn while establishing their board and removing mine thanks to Raza and Anduin
>Meanwhile half of the other DK cards are either situational, memes, or literal trash
Great. Excellent.

>>188464143
8 months until no more Jade. By then, Druid will be dead thanks to nerfs.

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>nerfing Hex
What the fuck is blizzards problem?

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Underrated cards
>Grave Shambler
>Bladed Cultist
>Shadowblade (outside Mill)
>Luckydo Buccaneer
Christ I'm having a good time.

Anyone think the reason this game is going to shit like that is that Blizzard can't afford a "flop" expansion?

Meaning, not a "shit" expansion, that's most of them, but I mean, an expansion where the cards aren't exactly good enough and people would keep playing mostly stuff from the previous ones?

If Blizzard had such a flop expansion, they'd make no money on packs&shit, which would look terrible on their quarterly and stuff. So, to avoid this problem, they make sure that the expansion is played, and the only way to make sure the expansion cards are strong enough to be played - given that it's hard to evaluate cards without millions games in the database - they have to make the cards super OP so (even if they were wrong and they are not as good as they thought) they are still "somewhat OP", whereas if they just made them what they think is BALANCED, if they fucked up then they'll be weak/unplayable, which means people keep playing the old stuff and Blizzard doesn't make any money.

So every expansion has to be stronger than the last one, and it snowballs with every new one.

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>>188466074
>>188464583
D-don't worry bros, we'll be getting something good in return, because we have a better class identity right?
like weapon rogue

>>188466037
This is why blizzard keep fucking up.
Same thing with warrior. When pirate goes out, warrior will be shit again because horrible early game with 3 mana FWA taht won't be buffed to a 18 attack/6 charges anymore or some shit.

>>188465681
I've never in any way implied Pyroblast is close to the power of UI, all I said was the the power of UI should be staple for this kind of lategame card, early drops have had powercreep happening since forever ago to them, and now it's finally happening to late game cards, which hasn't happened before because the early game cards were so overpowering and getting a curve was so important that late game cards were never seeing any play, in this game having a huge mana cost card is often getting a card in your hand you can't play for several turns, it needs to be worthy of that price, they just fucked up by giving it do druid first cause it's the one class that can cheese it early

>>188466135
Well, Kharazan was one already. It introduced absolutely no new decks nor shifted the meta, just made the strong decks stronger and the wear ones weaker.
As of today, i think hs can afford some terrible expansions, but, as much im disgusted by current valve, i want to see that dota card game either force hs to improvd or kill it outright.

>>188466135
That's what happens when your game is p2w.

If cards weren't purchasable, only collectible, there wouldn't be outrages about nerfed/buffed cards, dust refunds, shit like that.

Now we they don't have the flexibility to make balance changes, since it causes an outrage. All they can do is print more and more OP cards.

Imagine if packs only gave cosmetic upgrades to cards (golden) and all cards were obtainable through grinding for free, no one would moan about dust.

Artifact can't come soon enough.

Why do you think they revealed the nerfs so early? In my experience in other games balance patches usually hit only a few days after notes.

>>188465681
>>188466319
As dumb as it might sound, maybe UI is fine, but it's in the wrong class. Ramp is supposed to be an "all eggs in one basket" kind of deal. Regaining a full hand after doing so is the absolutely wrong way to go about it.

UI should've been a Shaman card or something, so they actually have a real control deck for a change.

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HORAYYYYYYY I'M FUCKING RICH

>>188466319
>I've never in any way implied Pyroblast is close to the power of UI

I've never implied that you implied that. You're missing my point.

Which is ; UI is a million times better than a card THAT WAS PLAYED in some decks.
And you can play it for 3-4 less mana.

I don't care if they make a clear upgrade over a card no one would ever use.

But if you make an ABSURD upgrade over a card that saw some play... And that it can be used for less mana easily...
And yes innervate is in part to blame for that, but that's not it. Even without innervate people would still ramp it and use it on turn 7-8. So you use a card insanely stronger than pyroblast, on turn 7-8. And even without any ramp, people would still use it on turn 10 because it's that good.

>>188465767
They nerfed FWA for multiple reasons:
1.) Autoinclude in EVERY WARRIOR DECK FOREVER SINCE THE DAWN OF HEARTHSTONE, also limiting >design space

This means that warrior will rarely get good early game cards, the last actual playable proactive play that warrior has gotten on 1 or two mana was fucking Alextrsza's Champion.
I play wallet warrior exclusively and I can say that we're not going to get any good proactive tools for the early game as long as FWA is the single best weapon in the game at two mana.
Just look at the fucking retarded enrage memecards we got this time around, holy shit.

2.)Pirate warrior being basically the same deck since inception
I love pirate warrior, I think it is a very honest aggro deck that keeps the format in check and is 100% needed. The most healthy aggro deck we've had in a long while, and easily teched against.

However, it is not only the same fucking deck that started raping poor little Anduins back in mean streets, it's also the highest winrate deck according to Blozzerd.
This change definitely won't kill the deck, but it will force them to play a lot more midrangey, with shit like forge of souls. Maybe we'll see tempo warrior and pirates merge together or something.
All in all, the changes are interesting and I welcome them.
Would've really loved UI or Jades to get nerfed into unplayability tho, Jades will propably still be too strong.

>>188461638
>>188461826

Hero cards have widely seen lots of play though. There's a reason why we've seen a ton of Discover cards in every set since LoE, but not a single Inspire card after TGT. I expect more Hero cards in new sets moving forward.

>>188466214
If Wild is an indication, Control Shaman doesn't need THAT much to become good in Standard

If you had to pick the next big mechanic for the next expansion what would you do?

And would it compete with the death knight heroes, or be used alongside?

>>188466234
>Warrior
>shit again

What did he mean by this?

Is it possible to reach legend with midrange hunter only in current meta?

>>188466135
wotog and TGT were relatively weak compared to what surrounded them, in wotog's case there was just no cards to play otherwise because rotation

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>>188466995
Still my OC donut steal keyword

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Is this how you make a control mage?

>>188467043
Do you win 51% of your game?
Do you play a lot of games?

It's possible to reach legend with just about any deck that isn't utterly unplayable. Most people don't, because their winrate is <50%, or it's barely above 50% and they don't put in the volume.

If you win 51% of your games, you'll have to play like a fucking madman to make legend. If you win just 53% it's already way easier.

And yes, hunter can win that much. With the right player of course.

>>188466687
I expect the pirate package to still be a staple, along with just cutting stuff like Deckhand and Heroic Strike in favor of midrange minions

>>188466941
The sad thing is, inspire cards are in no way naturally worse than any other mechanic.
It was just team 5 being complete morons that dont know how their game work and fucking up the balance.
Those cards are stated like they will always trigger 2-3 times if played on curve.

>>188467219
Remove babbling book

>>188467186
You mean, some rewards when you play your topdeck? Isn't it just rewarding RNG, and forcing people to play bad topdecks just for the rewards? I'm not sure it really improves the gaming experience.

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>>188467219
That looks pretty good, yeah

Also, that the FUCK is this "Aggro Priest"

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>>188467410
Trust me on this one my dad works for nasa

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>Mage not even nerfed
>Already making a tear into Rank 9
Looking forward to the complains

>>188467561
yeah, that's exactly what I meant. It's just an RNGfest that would piss off everyone.

>happen to have it in your hand : play a 2-2.
>happen not to have it in your hand, draw some random 6 mana crap : play nothing
>happen not to have it in your hand, draw it : play a 4-5 taunter

^there isn't any decision/skilled used by the player in these 3 scenarios. But one of them get nothing, one get a 2-2, one get a 4-5 taunt.

We need less bullshit RNG, not more.

>>188467372
For what?

>>188467646
what tracker thingy are you using? it looks like mine but mine doesn't show the players name, just the class.

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>JD in casual

>>188467985
Hearthstone deck tracker

>>188467853
If this was shadowverse I'd agree with you, but this is RNG stone. There's the decision of not wanting to play too much draw effects if you want to get all your cards to trigger their Miracle effects and also of keeping or not that card in the mulligan for the hopes you top deck it on time when you can actually play it with the miracle trigger.
Plus one of the ideas is printing a legendary that makes your miracle effects always trigger.

>>188467219
Nova, see >>188467975

Ooze is probably fine over Thalnos

>The other option we considered for Fiery War Axe was to lower its attack to 2, but that change didn’t feel intuitive enough. Generally, changing the mana cost of a card is less disruptive, because you can always see the mana cost of cards in your hand.

>>188466687
You make good points, my problem is that is Blizzard will not give us anything in return.

Patron Warrior too strong? gut all enrage archetypes forever.
Flurry too strong? fuck weapon rogue forever.
Murloc Paladin too strong? fuck all murloc decks forever (And they didn't even do it when Anyfin was a thing, which was definitely a time when it was more needed than ever.)

>>188468296
This isn't Magic, Miracle is probably a really bad idea when you can't interact on their turn

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daily reminder pirate warrior counters jade druid

>>188468446
Murloc Paladin is fine after the change, that card was dumb anyway. I'd say it's more needed now than in MSG even though Water Rogue abused it

>>188466135
Yeah that's like every P2W cash grab mobile game. Release stupid OP stuff that people have to spend cash to get, then nerf it, then release even more OP upgrades that get people to buy your in game items, then nerf it later. Look at viable decks now vs 2015 - many decks now cost as much as old infamous Wallet Warrior or even more, every expansion brings out more epics and legos that are only Standard legal for 1-2 years, and the overall cost to stay afloat is skyrocketing. They should've just made animated cards purchasable (maybe even alternate art animated legendaries sets in the cash shop) and packs cheaper - so the whales can spend their thousands getting the flashy shit as they already spend thousands on packs a year for dust to make goldens instead of everyone getting burned out trying to at least get the cards necessary to be competitive since Adventures and guaranteed cards for dollars are gone.

>>188468619
It's the softest of soft counters though

>>188468619


Pfft at level 12 maybe. Hahaha

>>188468409
I do have Novas. Are Fireballs good in this deck?

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>>188468619
>wild
>the format for playing older cards, fun decks, abuse crazy interactions
>all jade druid vs hunter
>with occasional pirate warrior

>>188468667
The only deck that costs that much is still Wallet Warrior and Priest cmonBruh

The Patron Midrange Druid Handlock meta probably costed about as much as this one with the exception that Hunter was actually tier 2

>>188468630
I don't even play the deck, and I feel like it's gonna be shit now. After Team5 found how incompetent they are to balance out aggro decks, they are printing aoe for every single class in one way or another. Murlocs need a way to secure their board or it's always just gonna be average-to-good aggro that always dies at nova/blizzard/consecration/fishes turn.

>>188468752
Oh shit that's the card that's missing, nigga what are you doing put Fireball in your deck immediately how else do you win vs. Warlock and such

>>188468757
>Hunter in wild

What? I feel like Naga Giant shit is more popular than Jades at low ranks

>>188468757
I am not playing wild, but why hunter?

>>188467646
Which Mage deck is that? Control, Tempo or Quest?

>>188468930
see>>188468919


people are playing stitched tracker for naga siren and flooding the board with giants

Man, it's pretty amazing how Hearthstone shifted from its best meta ever to its worst in literally one expansion.

>>188469096
It's even more amazing that they also managed to fuck up arena and wild at the same time.

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>>188468852
Paladin has a lot more going for it than playing around big Finja/Warleader turns like other murloc/"water" decks, I've been climbing with it. The nerf is significant but it will still be a relevant deck for sure

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>>188469191
>Yeti

>>188468795
With every expansion there's a new must have OP legendary or Epic playset that you basically need to play the game past rank 15. If you're not playing seven days a week and doing your quests, spending many hours grinding for a bit of gold, you have to buy packs to get the new cards while they're still relevant (along with the previous set cards unless you've been playing from day 1). Then every four months a new set of cards come out with new must have epics and/or legos - rinse, repeat. if you want to play more than one of the nine classes that means multiple epics and legendaries that need to be crafted, with certain ones rotating out each year forcing you to modify your deck with these new must-have cards.
Outside of whales and obsessive players who post on /hsg/ or Reddit people are getting tired of the treadmill that costs either more and more time or money to even run. They're going to milk their most diehard base dry before fixing anything because they know there's a percentage of players who will always pay to get the new shiny OP stuff on day 1 so they make these increasingly retarded cards to keep everyone running after the carrot on a stick and keep playing.

>>188461468
board wipes are against the spirit of ranked. if you use board wipes, you are the cancer killing this game.

>>188462850
Maybe, but definately not a good screenshot

>after the nerf announcement dusted jade,aggro druid and pirate warrior
>made big priest
best decision ever

>try to make a midrange paladin deck without murlocs
>can't because paladin has no good 2 drops or 3 drops that you can play on 2 or 3 respectively

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soon

>>188469787
>Not waiting for the extra dust
>not grinding out free ranks for another week
?

>>188469524
so like every card game ever, ok

>>188469992
what extra dust, it would be like 60 from the plague only, and big priest is free ranks, you dont even need barnes turn 4, shadow essence turn 6 to win

so druids are better than ever?

>>188469787
>dusting before the period
what a fucking retard

>It's an "Aggro fag is so stupid that he tries to target face through a taunt, but still wins because he's an aggro fag" episode

>>188470293
>not playing aggro when ranking up
who's the real stupid here?

>>188469787
jade is still going to be the best deck in the game

>>188470293
>It's an "Anduincuck thinks his 15 7+ cost cards are perfectly fine to run and playing lich king should win him the game against aggro" episode

>>188470603
>This much assumption

>>188470256
Of course not. Their key roleplayer card is gonna get nerfed.

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>have win 5 mage games
>Whatever lets do some tempo mage
>Have 8/8 minion with taunt, bonemare and 4/3 secret girl
>3 secrets currently up counterspell mirror and spellbender
>5 cards in hand
>24 hp.
>versus hunter
>He's at 20 hp
>no board
>1 card in hand
>game freezes
>quickly disconnect and open the game again
>You have lost your last ranked game due to a disconnect

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This is a rehash isn't it? Guess balance changes took up all their week.

>>188470772
on iPad the game crashes almost everything I click on my friend list during a match. its pathetic. It also crashes naturally between matches after like 3-4 of them.

>>188470926
>This shitty Brawl again

DUDE WTF

>>188468983
Fatigue

>>188470926
this week just keeps getting worse

>>188470926
>This is a rehash isn't it?
Yes, and a pretty recent one too. Didn't we last have this brawl a couple of months ago?

It would be more interesting if they did something like throw in the Rag/Nefarian bosses they have, maybe make a couple of others. Perhaps maybe even the Lich King, pulling off some bullshit.

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>open five streams before going to work
>come back this evening
>got 3x twitch loot drops
How can Hearthstone even compete?

>>188471267
by being interesting enough for people to actually watch the streams

>blizzard stole TF2
>valve is going to steal HS

Pure pottery.

It's been a while now, are they not going to address the problem of animation and make a reduce animation option in game?

>>188471567
Won't be fair to mobile players so they won't do it

>>188471502
>muh streams
teenager spotted

Who here /quitting/?

>>188469898
>stonehill
>wickerflame

>>188471512
>blizzard stole TF2
But anon, TF2 was already dead

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Are you ready to play the superior card game?

>>188471925
No, but I'm ready to make mad steambux off it

>>188471776
I'm not taking the game that seriously. I really dont care about the nerfs. I'll change my decks accordingly and... thats it.

>>188471968

>yfw its a digital TRADING card game.

>>188471871
>playing a 1/4 taunt on 3
>playing a 2/2 divine shield taunt on 3
The former would even be a bad play on 2.

>reddit is already going full defense force for blizzard

>>188470926
Kel seem overpowered now

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>>188472129
>going on reddit

>tfw 15 win streak
>playing pirate warrior, bit ashamed
>but 11 of those were against druid, fuck them.

>>188472279
>bit ashamed
dude its a card game. Play what wins.

>>188472107
it stalls...
that's all you need

>>188472107
>>188471871

I think this is the saddest part of this game. Assuming you have decent luck, you will most probably summon that turtle on 3 or 2 (with a coin) as a 2/5, which on paper should fucking stop aggro on their tracks.

Does it happen no? Murloc Paladin shits on Midrange Paladin. Jades out-tempo you, Anduin won't let you keep a minion on board fucking ever.

How is the game this fucking power-crept even with the constant nerfs?

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>Keleseth sees more and more play in Rogue
Does this mean that Eviscerate, Sap and Thalnos are overrated?

>>188472498
LUCK

PLAYS

no the 2 drop for every other class but hunter is shit so you can afford to just weapon

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>>188472498
Explain

>>188472394
yeah, it's just that I've been talking against pirate warriors for a while... Guess I'm in the "if you can't beat them, join them" crew now.

>2 more wins in just 3 minutes, 17 now
longest streak I ever had for sure.

>>188472498

it only sees play in temp rogue lists, which don't really need those cards because they focus on getting temp with minions

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>>188471925
>Valve makes initial 200-300 cards
>leave everything new for community to make, completely without balance
>all cards come from crates, you can't craft them
>some cards are worth up to 100$

>>188472698
holy shit and i thought hearthstone was bad

>>188472498
the games where you get it early are basically a free win

its really bad rng design but were dealing with blizz here

>>188472698
Finally an online card game that has all the jewery of paper card games

>>188461638
I hope so

I would love a Illdan card for Warlock where Illidan takes Guldan's place by blowing him up.

Then you could make something like Illidan has really high base attack and windfury but creatures cost more mana

>>188472698
>some cards are worth up to 100$
And?
You should see what I pay for my Legacy decks desu, and I like to create new ones.

>>188472398
Stalls so you can lose to 10/10 jades because you didn't kill the druid fast enough? Stalls so the game lasts long enough for the priest to get board control?

You don't want to be playing 1/4 taunts for 3 with a midrange deck. You need to go faster than that if you want to have any hope with beating slower decks, and you want to be making higher tempo plays so you can actually survive against aggro. Turtle is fine later in the game if you need more fuel, but it's not a good on curve play.

>>188472463
There is no non-murloc midrange paladin deck in the first place.

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>>188472945
Just because you like to be fucked in the ass doesn't mean that how it's should be

>>188472698
>some cards are worth up to 100$
Think you're missing one or two zeroes...
Some hats in TF2 were going for thousands $ and they don't fucking do anything.

>>188461991
Prince

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Consider the following

>>188471660
Well that is what mobile player needed actually. If animation is reduced, mobile won't consume so much resources and they can play their turn faster.

>>188473180
>like to be fucked in the ass
I'm sorry that you're that way anon

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>>188471512
I wish overwatch was as entertaining as TF2 was, the fact that the game lacks depth and constantly tries to appeal to normies makes it even more depressing that TF2 is dead.

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>>188467186
very original

>>188473256
are you aware that you cant target cards in your hand in hearthstone?

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Someone give me a decent priest list? I don't care if it's razakus or big priest, I just need to do 2 quests.

>>188473256
>Hearthstone
>ever choosing anything in your hand

If the game was capable of doing that, discard and handbuff wouldn't suck. But I guess the technology just isn't there yet.

>>188473332
I'm sure the technology will be there someday.

>>188473371
### machine gun priest
# Class: Priest
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 1x (0) Silence
# 1x (1) Awaken the Makers
# 1x (1) Crystalline Oracle
# 1x (1) Mistress of Mixtures
# 1x (1) Northshire Cleric
# 1x (1) Potion of Madness
# 1x (1) Power Word: Shield
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 1x (2) Loot Hoarder
# 1x (2) Shadow Visions
# 1x (2) Shadow Word: Pain
# 1x (2) Spirit Lash
# 1x (3) Acolyte of Pain
# 1x (3) Curious Glimmerroot
# 1x (3) Shadow Word: Death
# 1x (3) Stonehill Defender
# 1x (4) Infested Tauren
# 1x (4) Kazakus
# 1x (4) Shifting Shade
# 1x (4) Tortollan Shellraiser
# 1x (5) Abomination
# 1x (5) Darkshire Alchemist
# 1x (5) Raza the Chained
# 1x (6) Bone Drake
# 1x (6) Dragonfire Potion
# 1x (8) Shadowreaper Anduin
# 1x (8) The Lich King
# 1x (9) Obsidian Statue
# 1x (10) Mind Control
# 1x (10) N'Zoth, the Corruptor
#
AAECAa0GHgj7AbgD5QTtBaUJ0wrXCvIM+wzgrALsrgKArwL6sAKDuwK1uwLYuwLqvwLRwQLVwQLZwQLcwQKbwgKWxALexALHywLmzALCzgLwzwKQ0wIAAA==
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

here senpai

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>>188473371

>buffed kelthuzad
|

REEEEEEEEEEE

>>188473324
That's the joke anon

>>188473647
>Concede
>Restart, get Kel, win
and there we go, done

>Every druid player has the exact same god hand fr their respective decks
>They're getting slapped on the wrist with the nerfs while decks that counter them are getting reamed

This sure is a fun game, guys. I have to applaud these devs for their limitless insight!

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Well lookie here. If it aint a bunch of 'earthcucks. *HRRRRRRRFTOU*
I guess its muh lucky day. I don got me a whole cluster of 'earthcucks

>>188474064
If you dont have fun, quit.

>>188473561
>>188473613
Ok, thanks guys

>pirate is too powerful
>they could have nerfed nzoths first mate to make the weapon 1/2 or even 1/1
>they could have nerfed southsea captain in line with murloc warleader
>they could have nerfed korkron to 3/4 or even 3/3
>they could have nerfed frothing, which incidentally has been a staple in the last two op warrior decks, patron and charge-enrage-otk but for some reason nobody ever bothered to examine why every time a broken warrior deck crops up that card is in it
>instead they nerfed a benchmark weapon that is control warrior's only hope of stemming early aggro onslaught especially from cancer like mana wyrm which also incidentally didn't get nerfed

I think I am genuinely done

>>188473332
What about Tracking style discover?

>>188474167
I already did once before for about a year, won't be hard to do it again.

>>188473320
same

why doesnt king krush see play?
many losses as hunter are because you cant hit face anymore after your opponent took control lategame right?

>>188474451
>start the game with King Krush in hand
>Lose

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What class should get this?

Also, hire me Blozzerd

>>188468121
> watch friend for quest
> loses 5 games straight
> we're on the phone, he is tilted as fuck
> brings his jade druid into casual
> watch him getting defeated by a super budget mage
> delete him from friends list, fb, phone and memory

>>188474578
>built in Draw button

None of them.

>>188474578
i like it, it cucks mages hard

>>188474578
Completely retarded, as usual for an OCfag.

>>188474578
Really fucking cool

>>188474884
samefag

>>188466479
>shaman card
>10 mana overload (10)

You do realize this is how it'd end up?

>>188475103
I honestly like the 'can't be targeted by spells' mechanic and wish more was done with it.

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Why did they make two of the most hated decks ever the best in the game again?

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>if warrior wasn't have his 2 reaper I've out pirate him
After winaxe nerf will pirate rogue can be a thing?

>>188475230
Sure but not on a hero... that's completely ridiculous

>>188466479
>Ramp is supposed to be an "all eggs in one basket" kind of deal
no

>>188466687
>pirate warrior
>highest winrate deck

Maybe in wild.

>>188475278
No because gang up rotated

>>188475278
warrior is fucking dead

>>188475249
Because people used to shit hard on Blizzard for printing Purify in Karazan. This is like revenge from Brode and the team by saying "So you want OP shit for Priest? Here, have this 8 month meta of Priest"

3 TIMES I PLAY WITH KEL-FAGGOT-THUZAD AND 3 TIMES I FUCKING LOSE THIS BRAWL IS FUCKING SHIT I HATE THIS FUCKING GAME

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>>188475635
holy shit WAKE THIS IDIOT UP SOMEONE HAHAHAHAHA

OH SHIT THE NEW CARDBACK IS HERE BROS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCmLxOHrIWA

>>188474451
9 mana for 8 damage is a bad trade off.
When hunter loses a control matchup it's mostly because he has nothing to play and the opponent is out of range of burn + smorc shot. Deathstalker is suppossed to help with that.

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>>188475550
I actually really enjoyed playing Silence/Combo Priest last expansion and thought they were finally taking the class in an interesting direction, even Control Dragon was nice

Funny how it went from the worst expansion ever to the best back to being second worst, guess it's actually hard to balance. Spreading Plague should have been deleted to Webweave status instead of getting a slap on the wrist

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>>188475635
Kel is now OP, what the FUCK are you doing hahaha

>>188468667
>every P2W cash grab mobile game

This only applies to western mobile games. Japan has a law that essentially makes it that no matter how bad they fuck up, they can't nerf something people paid for.

>>188475278
It's possible that it gets bumped up to a respectable tier 2 deck but not so sure about it

>>188476014
that sounds terrible
>have OP cards literally forever

>>188476014
>Shadowverse has monthly nerfs

What did he mean by this?

>>188471512
Valve was first by stealing DOTA.

>>188475635
Played once for my pack, I just went full face with Kelthuzad and won pretty easily.

>>188475550
I actually applaud Brode for it.
Prepare for long-awaited control meta of highroll priest, zero mana priest, you can't kill me ever mage, and jade druid (what, it is control too, it draws a lot of cards).

I miss the old shaman deathrattle days where you'd hear several
>Minions, servants, soldiers of the cold dark! Obey the call of Kel'Thuzad!
repeatedly, some overlapping each other

>>188474198
If they wanted to nerf southsea captain they'd need to buff it to give 2 atk first.

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>>188476231
Priest won't ever be a problem. Exodia mage shits on slow decks, and all priest decks are slow as fuck.

So welcome to the mage meta.

>>188476176
except the community created DOTA, not blizzard

>>188476231
>Jade Druid
>control deck because it can draw

>>188476403
KT is still a very good card in Wild Big Shaman

>>188476157
Dunno, that was essentially the Fate/Grand Order dev excuse for never nerfing anything.

>>188476469
>>>>>>>>>>>not playing agro murloc priest
you dont deserve to win desu

>>188476597
>mocking based cycle ramp exponential board control druid
aggro shitter detected

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i just fucked yo bitch with some gucci flip flops

yes, that is a warleader into summon TWO patches. in arena

How do I priest

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>>188476014
>they can't nerf something people paid for.
I wish, those Nips nerfed my Snow White legos

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>play on phone for once
>against ramp druid
>my warrior is out of removal spells
>got exact lethal
>druid plays skelemancer
>finger slips off the screen
>attack skelemancer with my axe
>don't have lethal anymore
>can't deal with 8/8 skelly

Fuck you samsung

>>188476740
>exponential

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Touch your fingers to your tows
ama show you how Bens morning glory shines i suppose

>>188477002
linear sounds too plebeian

>>188470926
>>188470926
Its unbelievable the attitude of everyone on Friday things felt optimistic we were all going into a holiday and felt like things were doing great, now everyone is bitchy, people feel like we are going to nuclear war, stupid cards are getting nerfed, this insanely shitty unbalanced brawl comes out and I can never get Kel"Thuzad and DACA made everyone get pissy and there will probably HAVE to be a riot oh yeah AND the biggest storm ever is going to hit and it might as well destroy Disney World because why not.

>>188471925
Authentic discourse, if they make a card game where people can make money playing, Valve beat M:TG and Hearthstone. I feel so bad for comic book shops they will end up being the next Blockbusters, they can't compete with DC/Marvel online AND digital card games. They don't deserve that. Authentic nerd culture is dead.

>>188475635
Damn you man lol every KT I played had unlimited cards and total board control forever. Even with a Tree of Life I couldn't win.

>>188474578
Paladin. Because Muh Light.

>>188477121
They're not synonyms you tard

>>188477212
no fucking shit, have an upboat

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>>188476786
the first legendary choices were horrible, patches was the best choice

i picked the 2nd patches over a superior legendary because i thought it was a hilarious meme

just imagining the face of ONE opponent who was winning on board, and got 2 patches summoned against him was worth it for me, i found it really funny

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Exodia mage is so fun and interactive.

I just had my board frozen over 6 times, completely unable to do anything.

At least freeze mage had a finite damage output, and with smart play you could outheal them. If exodia draws the combo, that's it, unless you have an unrealistic amount of armour.

So fucking stupid. This whole year of mammoth was a mistake, MSoG broke the game single handedly with pirates and jades, UnGoro gave us exodia mage, KoFT gives us high-roll decks and stupid priest shit.

Can't wait for rotation boys.

What's worse, is that we still have one set to go. It's bound to be the most broken set of the year, since it will be in rotation for the shortest amount of time, so the devs will want to push the boundaries and experiment. Last year, that was MSoG. Who knows what will happen this year,

>>188476786
If it was a warleader you'd do 2 more damage.

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Say my name BITCH

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>>188477323
not a bad turn 3 if i do say so myself

>>188477316
well then use the proper term

>>188477336
>since it will be in rotation for the shortest amount of time
You were making sense until you went full stupid.

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>>188477562
after like 3 wins i just accepted that i should start losing, but i kept top dicking my only pirate, southsea captain, on curve every game

it just magically worked out. usually my meme decks dont fare so well

>>188477563
I don't have enough autism in me.

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Which team are we side on, /hsg/?

>>188477816
>Kripp VS Dog
>his dog fucks his wife
Pottery

People bitch about how Warrior is dead and the War Axe nerf is the worst thing ever, meanwhile I'm here theorycrafting a Pirate Warrior list that drops Bloodsail Raider and Heroic Strike and adds Prince Keleseth instead. See you at legend!

>>188476740
I love the other potential slow Druid decks because they are all interesting to play, sadly Jades will always completely nullify their existence

>>188477816
>Streamers
on team go fuck yourself twitch-faggot

>>188476906
Based cygames cucking haven, that card was so stupid

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I didn't get dk or any discovers

am i fucked?

Do I really need a second UI to have fun with these giants druid decks in wild?

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>>188477796
everygame i got southsea captain in my first 7~ cards, and every game after i played him my opponent would rope until the end and not input any actions

i can only imagine the amount of blood vessels popped

>>188477816
Literally impossible to choose. On one side we have Dog and an unbearable fuckface, on the other side we have Kripp and another unbearable fuckface.

>>188477605
How is that wrong again? It will be in rotation for 1 year 5 months instead of 2 years

>>188478161
All you have left to do now is join Kripp's sniper guild.

>>188470256
The old FoN+Savage Roar combo will never be topped

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>>188478161
final boss was a priest. i played a lot of priests this run, they are doing pretty well i think

>>188478380
Jade Druid probably has a better winrate than Combo Druid ever did, although not by much

is it ded?

>>188478412
You drafted two Patches?

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>mfw I manage to pull off a double bloodlust with 7 minions on the board
ahh this takes me back to the early days of hearthstone when the only decks I had were shaman and an aggro rogue deck

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>>188478412
memes

>>188478310
i have never sniped any streamer, not ever even faced one, ever. theres a lot of ppl who play hearthstone, streamers are in the tiny minority

i did play against a guy with meowth in his name, and im pretty sure he is a top 100 hs player. he played super well and super fast. like instant decision making, u can tell he was annoyed at how i roped every turn

>>188473256
To Thistle Tea giants?
Seems a bit strong for a 2/3 card combo.
8 mana 27-27 stats.

>>188470959
Same on iPhone.

>be in game
>open friend list
>scroll down really fast
>game crashes

Works 100%.

>Reddit upset over the nerfs

At least they're doing something right. Blizzard didn't make fiery war axe a 2/2 because it would be too confusing for players. Which is an absolutely stupid reason

When will we know who goes to the hall of fame?

>>188478924
>ame
>>open friend list
>>scroll down really fast
>>game crashes
>
>Works 100%.
is the game on phones still with 3d models?

>>188478612
yes lol

>>188478056
medivh/portal your way to victory

>>188477816
wtf is this?

>overwatch got free lego skin
>we got card back
T-thanks, Ben Brode.
https://eu.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/21028613

>>188477816
skill Thijs Kripp Dog Reynad
fun to watch Reynad Dog Thijs Kripp
appearance Dog Reynad Thijs Kripp

>>188479131
4 games in now, haven't drawn him once yet

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>>188479349
>implying im willing to pay for twitch prime to get a cardback

Will druid still dominate after the nerfs?
Or what will? Bullshit Priest or Pirate warrior?

>>188479585
Priest is already the best deck in the game. Only shitters think Druid is better.

>>188479585
Jade Druid will remain tier 0 with Razakus closely behind. Big Priest is going to be the most cancerous deck in the game. Warrior as a class is dead

>>188479584
free trial bro

>literally everyone bringing Warlock to prelims has Pavel's list with a variation of at most 1 card

Damn, I guess that deck got figured out

>>188479585
and a shit cardback at that
not the worst but definitely not top tier

>>188479419
>Kripp better than Dog

Nah

>>188479349
>overwatch got free lego skin
i see nothing about this

don't we also get free packs for this event? i don't understand it

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Blizzard HQ:

>"Okay guys, so we realize we need a standard format because it is impossible to balance every set together."
>'That is a great idea, Brode.'
>"Okay, so we're going to include the latest set and all classic cards."
>'Uh... won't that just mean that people are going to use primarily powerful classic cards and just substitute the most powerful standard cards?'
>"Nah, it's cool senpai"

A year later

>"PEOPLE ARE USING TOO MANY STANDARD CARDS, HURRY, NERF THEM"
>'Okay. Done. The players are now complaining that you've ruined iconic class cards.'
>"SHIT! Okay, how about... uh... just take these cards out of standard so players can use them in wild!"
>'That is actually a great idea! What us to fix the cards we nerfed and move them over?'
>"What?"
>'What?'

Several months later

>"THESE CLASSIC CARDS ARE TOO GOOD, HURRY, NERF THEM!"
>'Okay. Done. There are now people complaining we're ruining iconic class cards, should we move them to wild instead?'
>"What?"
>'What?'

Blizzard is, genuinely, the worst company at balancing I have ever seen. They were told over and over, repeatedly by casual and pros alike that keeping classic cards was a bad idea, and they did it anyways. They found a bandaid solution (moving the cards to wild to avoid ruining them) and then don't even use it.

What the fuck is going on at their HQ?

>>188480215
>1 legendary box
https://twitch.amazon.com/prime/loot/overwatch
>don't we also get free packs for this event?
no, we don't.

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>>188479093
I don't know what you mean, judge for yourself.

>>188480215
we dont we just get a cardback and by using a cardback in ranked games we vote for our team

>>188480313
Fuck you for actually making me chuckle.

>>188480363
>Amazon prime shit
We already had that with khadgar and people hated it. Good thing we didn't get anything like that again

>>188480405
Can you get both card backs or only the 1 you pick?

>>188480542
Just read the article and wow you need twitch prime for this shit too

Nobody's going to use it on this unless they already have it, everyone wasted their trial on getting the tyrande

>>188480215
Read it again. By using those cardbacks, you'll earn packs for the streamers of the corresponding team. You don't get shit. In fact, if you already used up your free Twitch Prime trial in the past, you have to pay for this "privilege" of not getting shit.

This is the worst kind of viewer participation event I've ever seen by far. Only Hearthstone is able to pull shit like that off at the worst time possible. Cucks.

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And now, for another exciting episode of Guess What Happens Next, brought to you by Jade Druid. Rank 10 no stars btw

I love Hearthstone :)

>>188477816
I can't wait to see Kripp and Reynad suffer

>>188481096
Plague into Innervate Infestation

>>188470926
Weren't there leaked images of the Lich King in that chalkboard style, basically confirming new brawls?

>howling commander synergy pick one
>not one divine shield minion the entire rest of the draft
At least I drafted two spikeridged steeds but these synergy picks have to stop

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Raynad grab my pleasewakemeup pills. We are doing this live

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Can't wait for the nerfs to come into effect tomorrow morning.

>>188481423
Why would you pick anything that isn't standalone good from the synergy picks?

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>checked kripp last night to see what the fuss is about
>uses an addon to help him draft arena
as expected of hearthstone "pros"