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Time To Cry About Priest Edition


BALANCE CHANGES INCOMING:

https://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/21029448/upcoming-balance-changes-update-91-9-5-2017#latest

>deck lists
hearthstonetopdecks.com
hearthpwn.com
hsreplay.com (Buy Premium For Us)
http://thelightforge.com/TierList (Arena)
vicioussyndicate.com
tempostorm.com

>/hsg/ Tourney Discord
discord.gg/hsg

>Open Tournaments
https://strivewire.com/
http://play.eslgaming.com/hearthstone/

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AHAHAHAHA FAGGOTS
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warrior players you have to go back
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first for fuck blizzard you jew faggots
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It was a good run /hsg/. Part of what kept me playing was shitposting with you faggots but that time has come to an end. Ciao
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>>188394616
>blizzard

How can this company get away with shitting in people's mouths so much.
The shit they pulled in starcraft 2 and hearthstone is insane.
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when is the patch going into effect?
I need to know how much longer I have with my murloc deck
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I've been considering downloading it because this youtuber I watched 4 years ago who played Scrolls was having fun with it recently
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>play shit control pally at low ranks
i guess none of this effects me
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>>188394616
>Keep getting LK to 10 or lower HP before he wins with Murloc Priest
Fuck me running why is this so fucking stupid
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I need to reach rank 5 this month, should I grind before the nerfs or after? Should I replace innervate?
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>>188394858
>finally free from HS
>use said freedom to play another shitty online CCG
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We've gotta go back, back to the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWEd8yDEURc
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Reminder that Blizzard is controlled by the vatican
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lmfao piratecucks LOL
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please dont take my innervate away blizzard
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YOU GUYS REALLY THOUGHT WE WOULD ONLY TOUCH DRUID?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>188394962
list?
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>aggro decks for the most part in the shitter right now
>razakus priest and jade druid basically untouched
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Holy Fuck does pirate warrior have to ruin everything? I feel like they could've nerfed something else.
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But they didnt even touch Druid. I just want to play my dead mans hand Garrosh in peace
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>>188394721
Is there a decent mill rogue list or is Miracle the only playable one?
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That's it i'm getting into Magic
I have an intro deck laying around, where do I get started on this shit?
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>these horrible nerfs
>arena confirmed to have a forced 50% algorithm that rotates the chance of seeing good cards based on how much they're picked

Holy shit these fucking hacks need to be fired into the sun.
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>tfw Elements has been my favourite card game ever but the developer hasn't updated in forever and the game is pretty much dead.
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THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF AGGROKEKS
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>>188394616
>hex now costs 4 mana
>sw: death totally fine
/fuckpriest/
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>>188394874
Their audience is braindead, people keep defending them and praising them as if they were the kings of vidya, but they've been casual pandering jews for a long time now, a shame really, Blizzdrones are among the scariest fans I've seen because of how strange and stupid they are.
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Anyone have a good Wild CW deck?
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>>188395147
fiery war axe is a disgusting card that has needed a nerf forever
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>>188395009
Hearthstone is by far the shittiest popular ccg, almost any other ones have more depth to them.
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>>188395253
think about it more dummy
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>>188395253
It's Their Identity
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>>188395232
doomsayer is remaining a unaddressed problem too.
Pretty unfun to play as well as play against.
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>>188395193
do you play wild? because thats where i play mill
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this is your new FWA, say something nice about it
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>>188394616
>tfw priest hasn't been nerfed since beta

When's priest getting the shaman overhaul
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>>188395253
4 attack minions
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>>188395253
>Hex
>Works on anything and everything, also silences deathrattles
>SW:D
>Only works on 5+ attack, deathrattles still go off
I fucking wonder why they didn't change Death Anon?
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WHAT

D E C K
E
C
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Don't worry guys we looked at the data!
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Didn't know wild was so much fun
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>>188395371
>playing naga giant mode
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>>188395371
I don't have any wild cards : <
How is Miracle Rogue? I have vancleef and a preparation, but not much else.
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>>188395227
Same with Chronicle: Runescape Legends.

They succeeded in making a completely unique and fun card game without following the MTG/hearthstone recipe. And then they just completely dropped all support for the game for no reason.

RIP sweet prince
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>>188395370
get fucked floodshitter lmao
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So will you guys come with me to /ARTIG/ - Artifact the Dota Card Game General, when it comes out?
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>>188395451
its a 3 mana assassinate
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Quick /hsg/, I can craft one DK, got Rexxar, Malfurion and Uther
Do I craft Jaina or Anduin or Guldan?
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>>188395487
>He thinks Played Winrate means a damn thing.

Laugh at this guy.
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>Everyone asking for fiery war axe to have card text added
>Ignoring innervate got completely gutted and is just a coin now
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>>188395337
there's one very significant popular ccg that has less depth
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>>188395232
Why do you crop out your rank?
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>>188395581
only priest doesn't care about it. all other decks play minions and druids will still SP into doomsayer to ruin even your day.
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https://tempostorm.com/articles/interview-hearthstone-mike-donais-kotft

in case you missed it. some stuff about current meta and future additions
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>>188395487
>innervate was in 99.4% of druid decks
this is a fair point desu
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I was actually thinking that blizzard would nerf a few other cards a few days ago
though I was thinking priest would take a few hits
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>>188395521
interestingly enough i havent played against that deck yet

>>188395572
yeah its good but if you dont have the cards (vilespines and shit) then there's no point
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>>188395607
>It's a 3 mana assassinate that only works on certain monsters
ftfy
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>>188395660
Shieldbearers
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>>188395225
>>arena confirmed to have a forced 50% algorithm that rotates the chance of seeing good cards based on how much they're picked
i don't understand why lowering the rate of a card should be a nerf. in the end we will see less deck with fledgling for example, but that does't mean losing less to it when you play against it. i think they should properly balance arena instead of doing these stupid adjustment
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>>188395608
Anduin is going to be absolutely cancer if you can afford Razakus priest.
Gul'dan is probably fun in wild but I don't have him so no idea.
Jaina with Geddon + Pyros is probably fun too but don't have any of those to test it.
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>>188395608
Jaina if you have one or more of the following: Anomalus, Baron Geddon, Pyros.

Anduin if you have both Kazakus and Raza.

Gul'dan if you have the Lich King.
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>>188395660
I've posted from rank 15 all the way down to rank 3

post a screenshot with rank in it and all people will talk about is rank because insecurity meme and the rank 15 redditors here like to think they're better than everyone else they just "don't want to do the grind but im legend bro I swear" so I just don't anymore

related: >>188395729
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>>188395771
shop bens face on them
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>>188395426
Classic Priest is notoriously the worst class alongside shaman. That's why their power comes from new cards.

Nerfing classic priest makes negative amounts of sense
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These changes are huge to the point I'm really unsure what will happen with druid and warrior. Really boring changes overall
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>>188395696
pretty much all control decks use minions and use doomsayer
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>>188395370
doomsayer wasn't always this powerful, now it's mandatory in every control deck since there are no really good low mana removal and thanks to patches every aggro can easily flood the board
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>>188395771
kys yourself
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>>188395725
I already have razakus priest. What the fuck else am I going to craft? I hate aggro, hate druid, hate mage, can't afford hunter. Only other deck I'm interested in besides rogue shit is control warlock, but I dunno how to feel about crafting gul'dan (his hero power is kinda boring even if it's laughably strong)
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>>188395624

Innervate deserved that nerf all the way back to beta.

Literally Black Lotus in a game with no way to counter it.
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Wait

I just found out about nerfs

So they are nerfing shaman and warrior instead jade druid? Is this a fucking joke?
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>>188395898
and you see the problem. it's being run in almost everything.
was a meme in freeze mage before.
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>>188395608

anduin is the most viable but requires the most cards

jaina is fun but elemental mage is about tier 2-3 atm, has too many strong counters like priest

gul'dan is good but control warlock gets raped by jade druid which is only going to become more popular after the changes
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will these changes make discardlock finally viable
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>>188395959
Erm, can't afford control paladin that is. Anyone can afford hunter, it's just shit.
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>>188396053
I really hope not, if that deck ever comes close to tier 3 I'm probably killing myself.
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>Just keep hitting Restart fighting Lich King
Maybe I don't want Arthas.
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Consider the following.
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>>188396053
>discard all your cards and the quest
never guna work
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>>188396000
blizzard 100% intended druid to be tier 0 because they think it makes for STORIES and they're not going to give up on their plan just because
putting up the blood magic brawl right after the new meta hit is when I realized very clearly - brode knew ultimate infestation was going to break the game, and he is laughing at us
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>>188396205
you really dont its a shitty skin but just do it for the sense of accomplishment
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>>188396053
Now that i think about it, I've never even seen Lanathel played. Seen everything else including a paladin with 2 mana prince and bolvar
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>>188395745
>>188395821
>>188396034
Got Kazakus, no Raza or Lyra though.
Missing a few epics for control warlock like shamblers and a mountain giant
Only got geddon from the elementals
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>>188396219
>Rogue always has combos
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>>188396053
Discardlock was a variation of Zoo which never really recovered after the loss of Power Overwhelming, Dark Peddler and Imp Gang Boss, so no that's not happening.
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>>188396219
Fuck off, valeera
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>>188396098
you're gonna need patches and shit for miracle as well if you dont have him already
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>>188396219
What deck would even use this other than >quest rogue
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>>188396034
>gul'dan is good but control warlock gets raped by jade druid which is only going to become more popular after the changes
now that aggro will get nerfed they could tech in geist and 2 twisting nether to couter druid
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>>188396387
Sounds like a shit activator for cards that benefit from minions dying.
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>>188395115
How is druid untouched I don't think you quite understand how powerful innervate was. It was the card that gave them powerful early turns and let them cast turn 5/6 Ultimate Infestation which felt like they were cheating
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>>188396254
But it's not fun
At all
It's almost fun but then he plays two Antimagic Shells one after another. I'm pretty sure I don't want to waste my time with Hearthstone if I'm not enjoying myself.
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I'm afraid of quest mage now that a lot of aggro decks are hit.
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Welcome to hotel Ben

You are here for LIFE
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control paladin......
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>>188396379
He's not MANDATORY though, is he? Seems like he's just a glue card that makes the deck better, like any deck that plays pirates at all.
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>>188396000
the cards that got nerfed needed to be nerfed
the only problem is they may not have gone far enough with the druid nerfs
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>>188396219
>this plus n'zoth
SHOW ME THE MONEY
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>>188396000
Do you not understand how big of a nerf the Innervate nerf is. It is a huge nerf to every single druid archtype
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Is stolen goods the future of aggro warrior now that FWA is no longer available as a 2 mana play?
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>>188396000
>Nerfing cards that will rotate

Ahahahaha

We're going to print a card that destroys all cards with the text "jade golem" once they rotate. Just like we did with secret paladin
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Elemental Rogue seems very sleeper

I've been doing mad well with it against the strong meta decks and most importantly it shits on Priest.

Anyone else been playing this deck? inb4 hurr hurr ur shit any deck is good at rank 20 lol XD
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>>188396608
you almost read the card!
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>>188394616
>people are actually saying FWA nerf is good because it's an autoinclude
>AN AUTOINCLUDE

i want to strangle every dumb fucker that has a problem with autoincludes. fine, let's get rid of backstab, frosbolt, SW: death/pain, trueilver, animal companion, and more. how about just get rid of the basic and classic set altogether. fuck new players. fuck class identity
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>>188396603
>playing warrior without win axe
L u L
u
L
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hearthbabs....
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>>188396532
Without Patches you're just accepting that you won't have any early game. And that means you lose.
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>>188396281
raza is 100% necessary and what makes the DK playable. lyra is just another value engine, can be replaced by elise or whatever

the giants package is pretty core for warlock, probably not worth playing without

geddon is great in elemental mage but it's not the core of the deck. as long as you have the death knight + all the removal cards it's still a good deck
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>>188396671
HAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED WARRIORKEK

KILL YOURSELVES SELF (self)
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>>188396541
>>188396571

t.malfurion
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>>188396532
yeah he's not mandatory but when you've played swashburglar on turn 1 and get a free charging 1/1 for basically nothing, you never want to go back

also this >>188396724
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>>188396603

You can't fucking do nothing on turn 2 dude.
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>>188396671
You raise a valid point. However, don't you think they need to nerf this cards because how else will they sell new packs? They can't print good weapons for warrior because fiery war axe exists.
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>>188396830
good think they just printed Keleseth then isn't it
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>>188394965
> Should I grind before the nerf or after?
Are you literally retarded?
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>>188394616
Alright time for me to fucking bitch. I have had LESS PROBLEMS WITH JADE DRUID THAN PRIEST IN KFT. Last season i went something like 3/12 against raza priest at rank 5+ because they had raza in the top 8 eleven times. I didnt even come close to having that bad a rate against druid. If they draw raza and reaper you are fucked and there is nothing you can do. Jade druid could be teched against with geist, could be fucked by counterspell, and unless they drew the nuts was probably going to lose against big priest and exodia. I would take this meta over fuck-my-ass priest meta any day
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>>188396671
>how about just get rid of the basic and classic set altogether
You mean like they should have done to make Standard a real format and not a retarded crack baby? You're just a blizzcuck who's mad at newer generations of blizzcucks for not defending the same retarded decisions you chose to defend
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Gimme miracle rogue decks.
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HALL OF FAME BETS

COME AND PLACE YOUR HALL OF FAME BETS HERE
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>>188396745
Innervate was arguably the strongest card in the game. Do you not know how to evaluate cards at all?
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>>188396971
Block of Frozen Water
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>>188396971
Ice Block is a foregone conclusion at this point.
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>play Smash Bros
>1v1
>No gimmicks, just player 1 v player 2
>no items, fox only, final destination
>down to skill

>play Hearthstone
>Mage gets 3 random spell from cabalists
>Priest summons a random 5/5
>Flappy Bird gets Wind Fury into Spell Immunity but it's OK because random
>games come down to coin flip before you've even played a card

Why do people play this again? Why do I play this?
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>>188396971
just put everything that isn't the newest set in there
make sure to buy those new packs!
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>>188396219
>0 health
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>>188396971
I mean blizzard came out and said ice block is out next rotation.
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Guys /svg/ is laughing at us again
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Thanks for the Raza or Kazakus brode
Any use for this shittier mogor?
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>>188396818
Fine, fuck it
I'll just craft for mill rogue instead, and if/when it sucks I can finally free myself from the last vestiges of this game
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>>188396971
Since they're trying to kill any staple cards I wouldn't be surprised if they axed stuff like frostbolt or fireball
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>>188397097

That is the point.
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>>188394942
deadest game in existance
shame it was fun
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>>188397032
WHY ARE WE STILL HERE
JUST TO SUFFER
EVERY NIGHT
I CAN FEEL MY DECK
EVEN MY CARDS
THE HOURS I'V LOST
THE COIN FLIPS I'V LOST
WON'T STOP HURTING
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>>188397193
>>Any use for this shittier mogor?
Le epic Trolden highlight videos
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>>188396861
>they can't print good weapons for warrior because fiery war axe exists
>they can't print good ramp because wild growth exists
>they can't print good spells because frostbolt exists
>they can't print good aoe because hellfire exists
>they can't print good beasts because highmane exists
this is a stupid argument
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>There you are! The life of the party!
>mfw
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>>188397391
>Hex might be too good
>Mage has polymorph and that's fine

JUST
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>>188397228
just remember that ALL aggro decks will kill your ass
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So tell me /hsg/, why aren't you switching to an actual GOOD card game?
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>>188397391
Blizzard staff on damage control, I refuse to believe there is anyone this stupid.
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>>188395512
>no bran
lmao
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Any nigger in here memeing with Discard?

Can't decide if it wants to be a fucking midrange deck
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>>188397527
3 year old account that's why
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>>188397439
Indeed, they should remove those spells to from the game or else they can't innovate and make great new cards to put into the new expansions.
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>>188397391

how can people be this cucked.
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>Renounce rotates soon

I'm not ready.
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>>188397193
did you get the legendary with the 10 pack timer? is it still bugged?
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>>188397701
just play the quest and deathwing
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>>188397527
>Why aren't you switching to an actual GOOD card game?
If you wanted a good card game you wouldn't be looking at online CCG/TCG bullshit. Get some friends and go play Munchkin instead.
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>print this card
>it's too strong
>gain 1 attack is too weak, there's already 2/2 cards
>start at 0 attack fucking sucks
>can only make it 1/1 which makes it fucking suck

>3/2 weapon is too good
>...

Hearthstone is by design terrible for balance.
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>>188397391
honestly the FWN and Hex changes were a long time coming. I'm a bit sad about innervate (loved that card) but meh

these changes arent designed to nip druid. they gave reasoning for changing cards and they never said "we think druid is too strong" blizz will let the meta settle before making a move on druid.
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>>188397780
And it'll never work in Wild because the power levels there are insane.
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>>188397959
decimals when ?
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I sincerely hope you faggots are happy with yourselves after months of complaining about fucking Druid, congratulations idiots. Thanks to you my favorite class for years took a hit it didn't deserve. Because, ya know, let's suddenly start crying about cards Druid has had since the start of the game instead of the problem cards that are currently breaking, it that makes sense. God you faggots are so stupid, ramp is part of Druid's class identity, infinite value generation is not. Jade Idol is the problem card, how many other classic Druid cards have to get the nerf bat for Blizzard to keep pushing this retarded archetype?
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>>188397959
It would be fine if they didn't keep fucking cramming borderline disgusting stats and effects on the cheapest, most accessible cards in the fucking game
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>>188396971
YOU CAN'T TAKE MY ICE BLOCK IT'S MINE I NEED IT
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>>188397780
>old gods will leave us soon.

That was honestly my favorite expansion. Its sad Yogg was killed first, followed by Cthun. Now N'zoth and Y'sharrj are the only ones still kicking. Funny how Ys was the worst one but he's the only one currently actively being played.
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>>188398131
I'll miss Kara the most, Rogue will be fucking dead after Swash and Arcane giants rotate
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>>188395195
Dump thousands on fetch and shocklands for Modern play then spend 2 to 3 days a week in a smelly shop dealing with subhuman scum
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How far am I going to make it?
Be gentle
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Why shieldbearers are mad about proper balance changes if the druid is killed as it deserves to be?
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>>188398131
Y'sharrj was the slow burner of the Old Gods, he just needed a deck that could support him.
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>be blizzard
>kill innervate even though it wont affect jade druid for 8 months
>subsequently kill druid as a class after 8 months when jades rotate
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>zombeasts 5 games in a row

please lord tell me this isn't going to be ladder from now on
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>>188397391
>I hate Druid
>some sort of rogue avatar

Didn't read btw
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>>188398281
but jade is better thanks to the removal of aggro.
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Post decklists

I don't care what, I just want some inspiration.
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>>188398131
I'll miss N'zoth, it makes deathrattle decks fun.
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>tfw realizing how sleeper OP Bladed Cultist is
All he needed was some pirate buddies.
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>>188398238
>Thoughtseize
>Inqusition
>Thoughtseize
>Deathshadow
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>>188398281
I would like for you to elaborate on why you think "Druid is killed" because of these changes in 50 words or less.
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>>188398364
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>>188398524
Innervate was really good. Now its unplayable.
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BUY MORE CARDS, GOY
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>>188397296
it's not fucking fair, this game was so fucking good. A hundred times more generous than any other card game, every deck required some amount of thought given to positioning unlike "rofl play minions go face", and you could actually fucking trade cards with people.

But Mojang had to fuck it all up because they know shit all about advertising, there was like, one youtube video and that was it.

My last remaining hope is since they're owned by microsoft now they just decide to include scrolls free with copies of windows now, like minesweeper or solatire
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>>188398364
###frost lich jaina
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Doomsayer
# 2x (2) Frostbolt
# 2x (2) Golakka Crawler
# 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# 2x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 2x (3) Coldlight Oracle
# 2x (3) Frost Nova
# 2x (3) Ice Block
# 1x (3) Volcanic Potion
# 1x (4) Fireball
# 2x (4) Polymorph
# 2x (6) Blizzard
# 1x (6) Meteor
# 1x (6) Skulking Geist
# 1x (7) Firelands Portal
# 1x (7) Flamestrike
# 1x (9) Alexstrasza
# 1x (9) Frost Lich Jaina
#
AAECAf0ECLsCxQTsB6O2Aum6ApbHAqDOApvTAgtNigHAAckDqwTLBJYF+AfBwQLkwgKYxAIA
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
here originally it had 2 valet barrier and second meteor instead of crab and firelands
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>>188398281
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>>188396971
Ice block and gadgetzan auctioneer like I've been saying this whole time

Both are pretty much guaranteed to go
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>>188398613
no it isn't
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>>188396530
>It's not a vacuum, obviously, but the goal here was to reduce power level because the ratio of basic/classic cards in Standard decks is still too high (they represent the biggest percentage of played cards, still).

Nerf classic cards so people buy more packs :DDD
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>>188398281
>Literally none of the cards that form Jade Druid were touched
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>>188398449
tales from what rank precisely, anon?

>>188398364
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> arena warrior without free win axe
Just remove class from mode already, lmao
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### Prince taldaram
# Class: Paladin
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 1x (1) Patches the Pirate
# 2x (1) Righteous Protector
# 2x (1) Smuggler's Run
# 2x (1) Vilefin Inquisitor
# 2x (2) Grimestreet Outfitter
# 1x (3) Prince Taldaram
# 1x (3) Stonehill Defender
# 1x (4) Barnes
# 2x (4) Consecration
# 2x (4) Defender of Argus
# 2x (4) Dread Corsair
# 2x (4) Saronite Chain Gang
# 1x (4) Spellbreaker
# 2x (4) Truesilver Champion
# 2x (5) Doppelgangster
# 1x (6) Cairne Bloodhoof
# 2x (6) Spikeridged Steed
# 1x (8) Lay on Hands
# 1x (8) Tirion Fordring
#
AAECAaToAgikA9IE8gX6BoW4ApG8ApvCAp3iAgvcA/sFzwbuBtOqArO7Ave8Avm/AojHApvLAuPLAgA=
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

I created this deck for the memes after I opened taldaram.
it's fun>>188398364
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>>188398706
Innervate and plague are core cards.
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>>188398702
It's actually disgusting that they won't even move them to Hall of Fame instead. I'd rather not have any basic cards than all basic cards being useless shit.
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>>188398668
woah you're really smart
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>>188398541
Not him, but mirin' this deck.

Where's your Emperor though? Also, code.
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>>188398725
>tales from what rank precisely, anon?
It's a new deck and I just reached rank 10 with it from the bottom of the ladder.
Look I'm still in the middle of the journey okay, I promise I will let you know when I stop climbing with it. I'm just enjoying that Bladed Cultist is actually playable.
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>>188398518
Its not that bad. There's so many viable decks floating around that I haven't faced GDS in 2 weeks at FNM. Its not like druid in HS where its half the meta.
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So how shitty is Warrior going to be now?
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>>188398962
Thank you anon I try

Hope ben will hire me to work for them one day
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What auto-include cards should Blizzard kill next?
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>>188399158
>Worst Death Knight
>Lost Ragnaros and Sylvanas
>Best weapon neutered to shit with a simple +1 mana cost

Unplayable in Standard.
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>>188399189
tirion
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Significant cards leaving Standard next year:

>Druid
Fandral, Mire Keeper, Jade Idol, Jade Blossom, Jade Behemoth, Mark of the Lotus

>Hunter
Fiery Bat, Kindly Grandmother, Alleycat

>Mage
Cabalists Tome, Babbling Book, Medivh's Valet, Firelands Portal, Kabal Crystal Runner

>Paladin
Rallying Blade, Forbidden Healing, Vilefin Inquisitor, Ragnaros Lightlord, Wickerflame Burnbristle, Grimestreet Outfitter, Smuggler's Run

>Priest
Shifting Shade, Kabal Talonpriest, Priest of the Feast, Potion of Madness, Raza the Chained, Dragonfire Potion, Drakonid Operative

>Rogue
Counterfeit Coin, Undercity Huckster, Swashburglar,

>Shaman
Evolve, Devolve, 4 MANA 7/7, Thing from Below, Maelstrom Portal, Jade Claws

>Warlock
Malchezzar's Imp (rip discard dead before it could live), Silverware Golem, Abyssal Enforcer,

>Warrior
Nzoth's First Mate, Bloodsail Cultist, Ravaging Ghoul, Bloodhoof Brave, Alley Armosmith

HOW DEAD IS YOUR CLASS?!
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>priest untouched
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>>188399189
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>>188399292
YOUVE DONE ENOUGH STOP HURTING ME
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>>188399292
I honestly hope they either kill Tirion or send him to the Hall of Fame
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>>188399346
Early board control is Rogue's identity
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>>188398912
Different anon, but this deck caught my eye because of Taldaram (I've got him too) so what purpose does he serve here? Also, did you literally only make the deck to have something to put him in?
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Be sure to preorder our next expansion!
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>>188399445
legion already did that
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>>188399459
stop giving blizzard a reason to nerf it
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>>188398225
Anon, rogue never dies, it just changes
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>>188399313
>Pirate is dead
>Jade is dead

Whatever meta spawns from this rotation, I look forward to it
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>>188398297
But it does affect jade druid, as you said it affects every single druid deck. These nerfs will make them go back to dying to aggro and they no longer will be able to do turn 5/6 ultimate infestation which was winning them a huge percentage of games
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The most sane thing aside from uninstalling is to embrace druid meta and craft jade deck
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>>188395193


This decks pretty fun
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>>188399619
Ha ha, no. Remember when everybody and their mother though Grim Patron Warrior was the biggest cancer to ever grace Hearthstone? Rememer Reno Warrior? It's only going to get worse.
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>>188399619
>>Jade is dead
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>>188399313
Potion of Madness isn't a classic card?

Holy fuck, this is news
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>>188399313
>hunter loses out on its best 1 drop and 2nd best 2 drop

doesn't change much since the class is already dead but this makes me sad
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Without HEX it is ICEBREAKER time to SHINE
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>Icy Peace Axe is now a worse King's Defender
For real? Why would they do that? How does Warrior stop early aggression now?
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>>188399734
>jade isn't dead
>all the jade cards rotate out
what did he mean by this?
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>>188399769
Hex is definitely still playable
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>>188399734
>All Jade cards leaving standard
>Shieldbearer combs thread with ctrl+f to reply to jade posts with reaction images with no context or reading comprehension

way to make yourself look like a fucking moron
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>>188399714
>Rememer Reno Warrior?

no
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>>188399791
>>188395393

:^)
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>>188399843
i though you meant now.
pls forgive me
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Sub-rank 10 Druids are surprisingly honorable.

They've consistently said "Well played" when I was the one dealing the lethal blow on turn 6.

I'm assuming this is going to change as I climb towards 5.
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>>188399874
Well you're new then. Justicar + Reno made Warrior fucking invincible and they'd win by fatigue almost every game.
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>>188399445
But Tirion, despite being powerful as a card, was hardly an issue
Whenever Tirion is played, people start countering it with Sylvanaas, Entomb, silences etc, so much so that it's worse to play Tirion than not to play it, because you use 8 mana, which usually means the whole turn to give your opponent a good minion, or at best to gain a vanilla 6/6
Tirion is an honest card, especially by modern broken bullshit standards
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>>188399791
With this shiny new card >>188399497
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>>188398968
Sorry, don't have a code because this deck isn't in my deckslots right now. Final version ended up using Vek'lor instead of one Beckoner of Evil and you should probably try to fit one Ultimate Infestation in there somewhere.

Maybe I'll try that deck again later. It was actually fun to play, but very mixed results.
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>>188399791
> What is slam
> What is execute
> What is heroic strike
You are pathetic.
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>>188396971
Ice Block is going, Auctioneer should have gone last time. Flamestrike and Frostbolt are in every control mage. Blizzard is seeing play too. Lightning Storm is way too splashable in Shaman. Equality+Consecration prevents Blizz from designing cards that die when their health reaches zero. All memes aside, Doomsayer is definitely in consideration, and Wild Pyro might be too.
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Serious question: If blizz removed the full-cost-de-after-a-nerf shtick would you thing they would be more inclined to nerf cards?
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Hex: 3-Mana; Transform a minion into a 0/1 Frog with Taunt. Overload (1)

Why didn't they do this, fucking mongoloids?
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>>188400101
probably but that would lead to complete assblast
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>>188400046
>slam can kill a radiant elemental
>implying you can damage something at the first place
>shadow bolt that damages yourself
Nice.
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>>188400046
>>188399891
>>188399973
>forgetting this
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>>188400101
They would nerf cards more frequently for sure.
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>>188400101
The problem isn't how often they nerf cards, it's that they absolutely refuse to buff anything so once anything's nerfed it's over.
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>>188400148
because overload doesnt mean shit
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>>188399791
*blocks you path*
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>>188400381
at that stage just run doomsayer
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>that random Hex nerf
>tfw
Literally why? I rarely even see that in evolve shaman. Not to mention it's cheaper than Polymorph because it gives them a taunt.
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>>188399734
It isn't dead but it got a significant nerf.
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>>188400381
Why would you run this over Doomsayer other than handbuff memes?
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>>188400483
design space
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Why are zero jade cards nerfed?
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>>188400483
>Not to mention it's cheaper than Polymorph because it gives them a taunt.
That's meaningless, especially when you can Polymorph your own minion for a free taunt, it can actually be a benefit. It costing the same as Polymorph is completely reasonable.
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Why is Hunters DK so bad, so many games I just don't play it because i'd rather the two damage hero power
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>>188400578
LITERALLY rotating out in less than 6 months
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>>188399969

>Tirion is balanced in standard because there are some cards in wild that counter him
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You think the normies are finally starting to realize that "muh design space" is code for "buy more packs?"
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>>188400604
because zombeasts are expensive
if it gave them a slight manacost reduction it'd be better
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>>188400578
AHAHAHAHA
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>>188399963
Reno warrior was never viable on ladder
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>>188400483
> it gives them a taunt
Why the fuck frog has taunt at the first place???
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>>188400604
Because hunter is the worst class in the game
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>>188399791
we Mountainfire Armor now
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>>188400483
Someone at Blizzard really hates silence and transform effects
I don't blame them, because those serve to make deathrattle and static effects even weaker than battlecry and charge (which already have the innate advantage of being easily controllable), but it's kind of working at cross purposes with the entire rest of the design team and the end result is often confusing
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>>188400578
mainly because it rotates "SoonTM" and spreading plague actually got nerfed

UI didn't get nerfed because it will be MUCH worse after Jade gets out of standard

getting 10 cards close to fatigue will be an actual downside you have to consider
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While these druid nerfs are huge I am a bit sad they decided to nerf every single druid archtype than just the main offenders. Don't get me wrong these nerfs are huge for Jade but it has the splash back affect of hitting all other druid decks now and in the future
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>>188400703
this i thought they were free with the 2 mana
thank fuck i stole it on rogue before i bought it lol
7 mana hahaha holy shit
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>>188399464
>did you literally only make the deck to have something to put him in?
pretty much,but sometimes I get to copy tirion or cairne from barnes and it's fun also steed synergy
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>>188400723
Tell that to two years ago me when I got ez legend with it.
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>>188400604
Because your deck doesn't support it? You can't just add DK in a random deck and expect to win.
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>>188400503
Did it really? After nerfing Aggro Druid, Murloc Paladin and Pirate Warrior what exactly does Jade have to fear? Sure it did get nerfed, but does it really matter when it's counters got completely devastated instead?
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>There are people ITT who don't own the best cardback and never will

Damn it feels good to be an oldfag
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>>188400578
Because they can nerf basic cards which hurts the deck and not have to nerf the cards they earn money on. Don't get me wrong this has hurt jade gravely but it's fucked over druid for the future
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Post you're cardfu.
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Whats the best standard mill rogue list? There has to be a good one, you guys like rogue.
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>>188399969
Whenever Tirion is played, people start countering it with Sylvanaas, Entomb, silences etc,

Good thing sylvanas, entomb have rotate and they nerfed all the silences in the game
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>>188400873
Innervate gave them the ability to have retarded starts such as turn 1 wild growth into turn 2 wild growth, or turn 3 Aya or turn 5/6 Ultimate infestation. This along with the Spreading Plague nerf slow the deck down a lot
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>give druid a slap on the wrist
>nerf 4 of its worst matchups for free
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>Want to buy packs to expand collection
>Price is fucking ridiculous

Is $1 a pack really too much to ask? I'm not paying $60 for 45 packs.
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I spent 2 months thinking there was no fucking way someone could make a worse nerf than anything in wonderland dreams.
At least the yellow freaks were targeting cards that were in the fucking neighborhood of the actual problem. Did you motherfuckers just nerf BASIC cards? The subpar average by which the rest of the game is supposed to be judged? Through how many formats has warleader been a comfortably above-average card? What the fuck is this shit?
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>>188401090
>Slap on the wrist

kek
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>>188401107

Preorders and the welcome bundle are the only good value pack purchases
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>>188394616
Nerfing all of the other decks that have a chance to beat Druid...while only nerfing Innervate. Druid just got more powerful.

This is the Yogg nerf patch all over again. They nerfed Yogg which hurt the decks that could beat Shaman, so Shaman became more powerful. Murloc Paladin and Pirate Warrior got hit harder than Druid did. What the hell is going on?
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>>188396053
It already does. Make it zoo pace and you're good to go lad.
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>>188401057
>>188400678
I think I should be drinking a little less.
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>>188401001
I like putting this in my decks
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>>188400604
It's not bad at all actually. It serves as an alternate win condition in control matchups if they manage to stablize. Also it clears Living Mana.
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Thoughts on how te meta will be affected by the nerfs? Imo our boy Rexxar might actually rise up in popularity, if mage playrate rises, flare is a good card to fuck with them. Also in my experience Hunter has a good matchup against a razakus that doesn't get the absolute best draw of his life.
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>>188401001
The one and only.
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>>188401176
Precisely why I preorder every single expansion

I've never really felt starved for dust and I always have all the meta decks and some meme ones
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>>188401001
always doomguard
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>>188401090
>Slap on the wrist
Are you retarded son?
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>>188401001
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>>188401158
>hagfag can't into game design
Pottery
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>>188400054

Let's just fucking delete every Basic or Classic card that does anything, clearly Jewzard wants decks to consist 100% out of expansion cards.
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Innervate nerf is huge for sure but why are people pretending Innervate was being used to ramp? Innervate + Jade blossom is a stupid ass play. So is something like innervate nourish. It was always played for stupid tempo plays which do not fit in a rampy deck like Druid.

Not that it matters much, Druid will still be broken.
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>>188401001
mmmmmph
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>>188401001
I have a copy signed by the artist
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Fire Team 5
Enough is enough
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>>188401001
Either him or Krul
They never fail
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>>188400831
It just makes you look dumb for grinding legend with a deck that barely pulls a 52% winrate
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>>188401107
If you use amazon coins you can get 40 packs for 40 dollars and 60 packs for 50 dollars i believe.
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>>188401435
>Fire team 5
>Post ends in 5

Wew anon... Your post got me a little sw3aty
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>>188401409
why on earth would you want that
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I actually like these changes.
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>>188401001
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>>188401386

One turn ramp is still called ramp.
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>>188401386
C'thun druid will be pretty great too since UI drawing your c'thun is actually a thing now.
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>>188401386
maybe this punishes dumb players who play druid decks so cackhandedly
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>>188401001
Still the best
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>>188401472
I miss being a turtle, this card was baller as fuck to grab from Voidcaller in midrange Zoo

>>188401505
Matt Dixon is based
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>>188401386
The same reason people waste their Wraths by casting them as shiv instead of just using hero power
People don't seem to understand that druid benefits from having flexibility in hand, they just want to nut
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>>188399313
>Rogue losing coin
>Burglar
>and patches

Fucking RIP
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>>188401001
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>>188401001
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>>188401365
>defending nerfing the basic/standard set of a years-old game
>when there's literally not been a single problem with that set for years
Also I play kys blood, so fuck your shit.
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>>188401610
vorefag pls leave
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I never played Pirate Warrior because I'm a control cuck and this makes me sad that because of those faggots I'll be more susceptible to being rolled over

Why not give it a small buff to compensate it's higher mana cost?
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>>188401713
fuck you and your tier 1 for 3 years class, that's why

cunt
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>>188401713
Pirate warrior just got worst as well
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>>188401001
violet teacher

i miss her...
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Here is your new turn 2 play, lads.
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>>188401527
It's actually not. Ramp is a permanent increase in mana, named after Rampant Growth from MtG
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>>188401386
Because it doesn't allow them to make retarded tempo plays into early Ultimate infestation or any early Aya. Druids main weakness was aggro decks and the innervate nerf and spreading plague nerf hit it where it hurts
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>>188401383
That literally is exactly what they want. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people cheering for Warleader getting the axe today are bitching about how powerful Flamestrike is in a couple of years when Blizzard HoFs it.
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>>188401869
yes but they're still going to ramp like crazy and play UI way earlier than they should

and UI is still basically a highroll yoggsaron in spell form
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>>188401869
>Druids main weakness was aggro decks
You mean like Aggro Druid with nerfed Innervate, Murloc Paladin with Nerfed Warleader or Pirate Warrior with nerfed Waraxe?
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>>188401523
good taste
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What is a point of killing neutral card?
Anyone can use it so it is fair.
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>>188401970
Flamestrike SHOULD be HoFed, for arena's sake at the very least.
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>>188400784
I wish this was true but then they wouldn't have created Devolve. It's just money.
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>>188401805
>Lich King, Antonidas, whatever fatties
Nice turn 2 play.
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holy fuck ive never lost this much faith in the hs dev team as i have today
even through tgt, msog and karazhan i was still hanging on
how can they spend this long contemplating balance changes and still miss the mark HUGELY? what the fuck are they smoking? is blizzard hq a jenkem hotbox or something?
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>how does warrior deal with early aggression they say
>implying every time i play against a warrior im not at 22 hp by turn 2
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>>188401827
>named after rampant growth
>not named after the increasing angle of a ramp
dont respond to me
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>Go on reddit
>They think War Axe being able to go face is the problem

fucking newfags
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>>188401001
People play her in Warlock, but she does so fucking much in Rogue and her voice is amazing and look how cute and dedicated she is.
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Fuck the Jade and Aggro shit, Blizzard just murdered meme Astral Druid. How am I going to outskill people with a turn 1 astral anymore?
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just do something like this so it isn't strictly worse than every other 3 mana 3/2 weapon

it can't be abused by aggro, it's fluffy and it's comboable with other warrior cards
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There is only MY JUSTICE NOW
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>>188400910
>feels good to get fucked in the ass by blizzard for so long
good taste best cardback
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>>188402036
Waraxe is not the game changing card in the druid game though especially after an innervate nerf. What are you scared of as pirate warrior?
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>>188402120
t's honestly pretty amazing that the ramp nickname fits what you're doing so well despite being named after a different meaning of ramp
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>>188402151
>go on reddit
And stay there faggot
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>>188398930
>Innervate and plague are core cards.
ehhhh
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>>188402194
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHY CAN'T MY CLASS HAVE BAD CARDS
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>>188401613
>not liking the superior version
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>>188402151
> 2 mana fireball into face
It isn't used for anything else, retard.
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Pardon my shitty iOS work.

I'm willing to bet this card will get printed next expansion. Thoughts?
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what happens when ice block is banned next year?
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>>188401001
Most badass feeling card in the game. Combo clears are satisfying af, and there's something novel about clearing huge boards with only your boys.
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What's weird is now control warriors have to run N'zoth's m8/Patches/Cultist to have an early game weapon.

Good going Blizz
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>>188402280
>Kill 2 2 drops

Free ride into mid-game, not all of us only started playing this week and actually remember when Warrior was a control class

Turn 2 war axe basically auto won you the game vs midrange
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>>188401982
So it will be exactly what it's suppose to be then a deck that punishes and has game against slower decks but loses to aggro decks. I don't see the problem here
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>>188402194
War Axe is allowed to be worse than every other 3 mana 3/2 weapon because it's a basic card
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>>188402286
>>188402151
fucking outed lad
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>>188402286
Im all for it
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Press P to punch brode in the fucking face
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>>188402286
What if 3/2 with 50% chance to attack wrong target?
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>>188400726
>Why the fuck frog has taunt at the first place???
so it wouldnt be objectively better than polymorph :^)
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WARRIOR KEKS COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK TO DEFEND THEIR CANCER CLASS

TIER 1 SINCE BETA, STILL NOT ENOUGH

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HOW DOES IT FUCKING TASTE????
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>>188402383
pppppppp
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>>188402383
F P
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>>188402339

>war axe won you the game vs mid range
>war axe beats minibot
no
>war axe beats muster
no
>war axe beats shredder
no
>war axe beats belcher
>no

What the fuck are you smoking?
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>>188402302
>Card is called equality
>Always fucks your opponent way harder than you
Honestly some Balance level ironic naming
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>>188402404
We already have a 4/2 like that, plz no more
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>>188402383
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>>188402404
Make it a 48% chance to attack the wrong target, with a 1% to instantly win and a 1% chance to instantly lose. That will make each game feel different.
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>>188402095
Okay the changes aren't actually that retarded, they're just horribly mistimed (Blizzard has a huge problem with this).

FWA had a nerf coming for years now, it's the best 2-drop in the game, better than even Totem Golem. It's stupid to make it strictly worse than every other weapon though, when we're talking about one of the two staple weapons in the weapon class.

Hex also had a nerf coming for a long time. It's a strictly better Polymorph, and Mage is the spell class so you don't get to have better removal than Mage.

Warleader is stupid and has singlehandedly carried murloc archetypes for years.

Innervate should have been HoFed a long time ago. That card is the definition of limiting design space.
Spreading plague is retarded but the nerf isn't actually that big.

What is stupid is hitting 2 of the bottom classes right now (Warrior and Shaman) on their staple cards while deliberately ignoring one of the biggest problems (UI) for the sake of not giving dust refunds. The timing is fucking awful but the changes are actually kind of fine, and would've been perfect if UI had been nerfed to 4 of each effect.
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>>188402383
>>188402197
>>188399334
I'm not sure if you think you're funny but I pity your attempts so here's some replies on the house
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>>188401001
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what if next expansion warriors get a 2 mana 2/2 weapon?
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>>188400046
>Lemme just execute this 2 drop!
Based legend level plays from this anon
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Please show me you guys are at least better than reddit with your card evaluation. You guys are reacting to this nerf like how the people in this thread thought Gnomeferatu was good
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>>188402465
>Belcher
>Early game minion

the absolute reading comprehension of newfags ladies and gents

post cardback collection newfriend
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>>188402434
It is Tier 10 in the arena and they killed only good card you can hope to draft.
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>>188402465
>this 2 mana card is fine, it can't deal with a busted 3 mana spell, the best 4 drop in the game (even thought it actually deals with it quite well) or the best 5 mana taunt in the game
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>>188402434
>Druid and Warrior have been the best decks in the game since beta according to Blizzard bootlickers
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>>188402157
Is she a better Thalnos or is the card draw good enough to warrant spending 1600 dust?
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>Having allegiance to a single class

This isn't WoW you fucking autists
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>>188402607
Everyone knows most players are notoriously horrible at evaluating cards. Not just of HS, but of all card games.
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>>188401001
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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WARAXE WAS BALANCED IT DIDN'T NEED A NERF!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 MANA 6 DAMAGE IS BALANCED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>188401827
>Ramp is a permanent increase in mana, named after Rampant Growth from MtG
Ramp decks have been using wild growth since limited edition alpha
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ANONS MY ASS HURTS FROM ALL THET DRUID COCK. I CANT CONTROL MY BOYWOMB HELP
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>>188402607
Nobody actually thought she was going to be good card outside of doing meme disruption decks for fun
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>>188402203
>What are you scared of as pirate warrior?
Not being able to coin T1 Waraxe into T2 Dread Corsair(s) or Bloodsail Raider is pretty bad.
Not being able to curve into T3 Bloodsail Cultist or Dread Corsair(s) is also pretty bad.
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>>188402607
All the cards will still be played. Innervate maybe not but that's it

Pirate warrior will die, jade druid will still be around but not as good as before, hex and warleader will barely be affected
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This + 1 drop can kill mana wyrm just fine.
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>>188402689
Depends on the deck. I prefer her to Thalnos because she has board presence (can trade up with one extra damage with her Divine Shield), can survive AoE spells while still buffing them ala Hellfire, and you can run two of her.

However, for certain decks such as Miracle or Exodia, card draw is so all important that not having Thalnos is like... like, you can do without him, but he does so much for your deck. He's a very good investment.
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why did they just do this
>why did they just do this
why did they just do this
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>>188402805
there's literally no such thing as an OP weapon since you always have to facetank things
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hey guys I got a cool idea for a card
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>>188402818
Ramp decks are obviously still ramp decks.
But innervate is not a ramp card.
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>>188402818
Rampant growth exists since 1996
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>>188402689
she has an interesting interaction with Defile which basically makes it a flamestrike for 4 mana
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>>188402959
>>188402892

thinking emoji
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>>188402879
>there's literally no such thing as an OP weapon
Weapons as a mechanic are broken as hell and one of the worst things about Hearthstone.
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>>188402879
> you always have to facetank things
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>>188402220
>>188402120
i always though it was called ramp because of the way you get your mana crystals
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>>188402983
He posted a reprint. MtG as a shitton of reprints over the years
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>>188403074
No, that's honestly just a coincidence. Ramp is name after this bad boy >>188402892
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>>188402876
Too complicated for beginner.
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>While they can be regarded as staples in those classes’ card repertoires, too many Basic and Classic cards played in individual decks means less fun when new expansions are released.
fun = money in Blizzard's wallets
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>>188402491
I've thought it more in terms leveling their Yseras with your posse.
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>>188403175
From a business perspective it makes sense, yes. Blizzard is not your friend.
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>game broken
>nerfs broken
>client broken

Is there anything else team5 can fuck up?
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>>188402879
>face damage matters

I bet you think warlocks hero power is balanced too
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>>188402892
>Doesn't cycle when you have more than 10 lands
What a shit card
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When will Fireball be nerfed? I propose to change it into not being able to target heroes.
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pls halp
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>>188403328
wouldnt surprise me
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>>188403328
5 damage would be ok
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ENJOY YOUR PRIEST MIRRORS HEARTHKEKS
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>>188403363
utho
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>>188395195
Google "MtG death and taxes," or soul sisters.

Gl anon.
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>>188403363
ez genzo
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>>188403328
That change would be confusing to new players because they won't realize the card has changed. Changing mana costs are a simpler way of keeping the card fresh so we made it cost 5 mana instead.
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>spend hours and hours grinding for arthas
>spend a couple thousand dust in the process
>control paladin sucks so no point playing that
>decide to craft finja and 2 warleader so I can have fun with my new hero

Heck it.
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>>188403363
DK
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>>188403293
The Warlock hero power is balanced.
Because Warlock cards are trash.
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>>188403363
smash dat mf uther
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>>188402860

Jade druid literally got buffed.
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>>188403442
*Mill intensifies*

>>188403519
>actually spending dust to get arthas
lmao
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I just want to pull my last kft legendary so I can start disenchanting already
holy fuck
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>>188402959
>1996
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>>188403598
>Mill
>When they have a meme legendary to steal your deck from you
Top kek
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>>188403293
>hero power broken
>print shit cards
>in the end zoo is op cuz of hp
>print even shittier cards next exp for the class and powercreep other classes so zoo isn't viable anymore but in the process spawn as much aggro decks and archetypes as you can imagine

gj devs
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So... What is Warrior identity now? Looks like Rogue is going to be a weapon class.
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>>188403267
"Business perspective" should never. NEVER. take priority over good design and game balance.

Innervate wasn't the problem you fucking hacks.

>However, our data shows us how good each individual card performs in a deck relative to other cards in that deck.

Yeah, so does ours you fucks. It's called hsreplay, and everything you're spouting is bullshit.

>Spreading Plague (Rare)
>Deck Winrate (55.9%)
>Played Winrate (44.5%)

>Ultimate Infestations (Epic $$$)
>Deck Winrate (55.9%)
>Played Winrate (66.2%)

You fucking HACKS.
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>>188403728
I have never seen a priest play it. Maybe they do in standard but no one plays that in wild.
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This is arena.
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>tfw
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>>188400578

>Innervate is shit now means Druid will have more clogged hands and play more slowly

>Ultimate infestation's hand refilling can potentially be a lot more dangerous in terms of milling yourself

It did get nerfed by association
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>>188403773
Losing
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>>188403691
i cannot perceive the meaning of these mysterious runes
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>>188403774
>Rarer cards are good
Welcome to every card game faggot. You should EXPECT this mentality, not be surprised by it. Be surprised whenever you get a really good and usable common.
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>>188403691
>TAPpi
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>>188394616
has there ever been a patch that confirmed more that team 5 doesnt actually play the game, or watch it on youtube, or listen to any youtuber?
good fucking job nerfing the counters to jade druid, and with the most retarded fucking excuse for doing it "derrr mana cost more clear than text, playerrs no kno how to read text so we change mana cost"
I cant believe I fell for the pre-order meme, fuck ben brode and fuck team 5
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>>188403774
>Innervate wasn't the problem you fucking hacks.
Never talk about game design again
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>>188403885
spicy
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>>188403501
>Login to play
>Pop up says what cards have changed

>People still played warsong patron like before

The player base is just genuinely retarded
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>>188403691

Ramp as a strategy has existed since the beginning, but it wasn't called "ramp".
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>>188404028
The nerfs are not just for druid, they didnt do this just t nerf a single deck. Every card they touched deserved a nerf. If you nerf only for the current meta you're a fucking moron.
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>>188403691
This is much better than Rampant Growth

>>188403905
It's a mtg cancerous version of Wild Growth
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>>188403887
they wont be doing it post nerf anymore at least
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>>188404028
>team 5 doesn't listen to youtubers
You say that like it's a bad thing and not the highest praise anyone in this thread has given them
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>>188403774
> Played Winrate (66.2%)
Means nothing, Antonidas is even more broken if you only count how many times you lose when mage play it.
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How did they let innervate last this long anyway? Everyone who knows anything about card game design knows that free mana is one of the most broken things you can do
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Is valeera the empty fun?
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new to hs and i want to know something: i just reached rank 19 in ranked. So my chest is lvl 19 too now. But what if i drop back to 20? Does the chest too? Or is the best position i have the one that is important
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Jade druid isn't evem hurt much. What are they doing?
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>>188404235
chest is highest achieved rank
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>>188404226
Yeah, there's pretty much no reason to not include it in every rogue deck
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>>188404235
Chest gained dont derank with you, so dont be afraid.
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>>188404226
Yes but if you play her too fast on your phone with Edwin in your hand the game will crash.
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>>188404213
You'd be right if UI was a finisher. But it isn't you retarded faggot.
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>>188404213
haHAA
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>>188404226
if you're playing her with mill rogue yeah
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>>188404175
>Much better than rampant growth
>You can only get more green, you don't take a land out of your deck, and stripmine is now a 2 for 1
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>>188403774
>anecdotal evidence used/created by 0.1% of the playerbase is equal to the inhouse statistics from the fucking devs who made the game
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>>188404251
The nerf is not aimed purely at jade.
All druids are very strong right now.
Waraxe was played in all warriors decks for years.
Etc.
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> next patch
Changed into *Deal 3 damage, if you control a beast.*
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>>188404150
they didnt even touch jade druid you fucking mongoloid
they gutted their counters and changed fuck all of the unhealthy, cancer decks like priest and jade
also woooowww what a big spreading plague nerf
fuck off brode you fucked up your game
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>>188402349
>Basic cards are supposed to bad!
Are you an idiot? Have you been listening? Basic cards are the backbone of a class and it's identity. That's why mage always has good burn no matter the expansion. That's why rogue always has cheap removal and high combo potential. If your argument made ANY sense, wouldn't dark bomb have been better than frost bolt? If they keep up just making the classic set unplayable,
1) the free to play/new player experience continues to get worse and worse as expansion cards become necessary to play
2) power level and class identity hinges more and more heavily on sets as they come out

These are bad things. Nerfing classic cards is bad; if cards are problematic, they should replace or redesign them. Innervate costing 4 and giving 6, or even 7 would have been far more interesting and changed how it was used. Instead, they made it a coin. Giving the waraxe a deathrattle, or making it so you can only attack minions, or only attack if there was a damaged minion on the board, would have been better than cranking the Mana cost. It's heavy handed and inelegant, and if I hear "DUR BASIC CARDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BAAAD" one more time, I'm gonna put a hole in a wall.
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>>188404251
It hurt every single druid deck and yes it is a huge nerf. If you know anything about card games free mana is what breaks most things.
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>>188404510
>they didnt touch jade
Of course you retard, theres a rotation comming. They WONT touch any jade cards, DUH.

Nerfing innervate and plague is already prettygood
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>>188404342
> 10 mana
> not finisher
sure, my rank 25 friend
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>>188404540
But anon,
basic cards are supposed to be bad
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Sorcerer's Apprentice to 3 mana when!
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>>188403971
They literally said "Spreading Plague ended up being the best performing card in Jade and Taunt Druid."

Taunt Druid, sure. Too bad no one fucking plays it. Jade Druid? That's just blatantly fucking false.

>>188404393
>He thinks Blizzard wouldn't be willing to interpolate private data to mean whatever the fuck they want for the sake of a press release justifying whatever changes they think will make them the most money.
>He also thinks data from over five million games in the span of thirty days is "anecdotal" and is going to statistically vary from in-house data by anything but a marginal percentage.
Think before you fucking SPEAK
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I want to cum inside Kezan Mystic.
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>>188404540
Basic cards are supposed to be that: basic, aka simple and easily replaced by better expansion cards.

That usually what happens in any card game: you can by precon decks with some basic cards and then you upgrade. HS was just slow to do this, be thankful that you could play these cards for years now.
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>>188404654
yeah but they're not you absolute mongoloid, or they would have fucking deleted PO and Ice Lance from the game instead of moving them to Wild
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>>188404215

1.) Free mana is only as broken as the things you can spend it on.

2.) Every class can do broken things.
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>play any game mode, for 'fun' or ranked
>see this fucking faggot
>might as well just fucking leave instantly, because its a gaurenteed loss.
i swear to fucking god this shit just pisses me right the fuck off, all their class cards and class ability is equal to CHEATING you might as well be playing magic with someone who resets their health to max every fucking turn
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>>188404652
>deal 5 damage
>finisher
LuL
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>>188404342
UI is a finisher. It's not a fancy, flashy one, but once they cast it you've basically already lost
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> The other option we considered for Fiery War Axe was to lower its attack to 2, but that change didn’t feel intuitive enough.
> Generally, changing the mana cost of a card is less disruptive, because you can always see the mana cost of cards in your hand.
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how the fuck do i beat the mr skeltal that can just heal himself in the frozen throne campaign (its the first enemy after the LK tutorial)
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>>188404475
>rotate out classic set
>print more clownfiesta cards with illustrations fro 3yolds
>make more expansion sets with no connection to actual lore
>rename game to "Online-RNG-MTG-for-Retard-Babies-Simulator"

>tfw player base expands even more
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>muh new players
>muh f2p experience
Its 2017. We play this game since 2014 already, who gives a flying fuck
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>>188404887
fat questings or bone burgle him
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>>188404887
kill him before he heals
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Might as well start killing all the cards that are used 100% in every deck gotta get those shekels
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>>188404989
Should cost 9 tbqh
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>>188404762

Eat shit nigger. Basic does not in any way imply weak. In other games basic cards are the staples that are always in demand, your Lightning Bolts and your Counterspells. That's what Blizzard said HS basics would be. Except they realized they can jew you out of more money if they give you literal garbage to start with.
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>>188404789
>all their class cards and class ability is equal to CHEATING you might as well be playing magic with someone who resets their health to max every fucking turn
Anon, if you think priest's healing is bad you have no fucking idea
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>>188404563
So does batshit insane ramp. They didn't touch ramping or UI at all. Now you have 2 extra turns till UI (which is a big nerf, don't get me wrong) but it still does the same thing.

Innervate is a big nerf, but not big enough.
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>>188404887
buy $700 worth of cards, if you go look online for a 'tutorial' is just faggots going "okay ALL YOU HAVE TO DO" i play these 3 legendaries in the same turn, so easy.

this game is made to shill, its fucking bullshit.
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>>188404989
They could remove the entire basic card set and I wouldnt mind. It would probably be fun to try to make new decks without them.
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>>188404762
No, they're supposed to be simple. Like a hammer to the skull.

Like 4 Mana deal 6 damage. 4 Mana transform a minion into a 1/1. Like a (2) 3/2 your spells cost 1 less. Like (4) 3/6 freeze shit you hit. Like 2 Mana ramp a crystal. Like (6) 6/5 summon 2 2/2's on death. Like (4) 4/3 charge. You know. All the simple broken cards that see play.
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>>188405037
>get 8 of these in play
wew
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>>188404887
Steal the bonespikes?
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>>188405023
>In other games basic cards are the staples that are always in demand, your Lightning Bolts and your Counterspells.
Magic doesn't have basic cards you dumbass. Also Lightning Bolt and Counterspell are both too good so nice comparisons??
You seem to be confusing basic cards, which are the free cards you start with that are generally less powerful than other options (though there are exceptions), and commons.
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>>188405023
>playing counterspell
Play a real format you nigger and play some force of will
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Rallying Blade and Eaglehorn Bow are losing their fucking shit right now.
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>>188404989
Can you imagine the horror?!
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>>188405037
Why... Are they almost identical? Was it that important they print another one that makes the health gain optional? Confused.
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>>188404947
>>188404969
>>188405069
so the literal first enemy of the campaign can only be beaten by making 30 dmg in one turn?

Are the ones after that guy easier or even more bullshit?
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>>188403074
All the MtG lingo in hearthstone gets lost on people. Seriously saw someone claim miracle rouge has its name because it pulls its wins out of nowhere.
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>>188405023
Wrong example. A basic card would be Shock, Lighning bolt is something else. Either way you seem really out of touch with mtg so shut up
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>>188404887
I just had to set up a OTK with murlocs.
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tfw all 3 quests completed winning warrior 3 times
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>>188405059
But 2 turns is huge is the problem, you can also no longer tempo out early in combination with ramp. These nerfs will again make the deck lose to aggro like it has in the past and it will continue to be a strong force against greedy decks. The difference between being able to play turn turn UI and turn 7 UI is huge. Being able to cast Aya on turn 3 or spreading plague early is nothing to scoff at either
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>>188405310
It's called a functional reprint. They do the same thing at the same mana cost but they're different cards. And because they're technically two different cards you can have 4 of both in the same deck, meaning you can have 8 of the same effect.
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>>188405379
I honestly hate all the HSfags who never played a physical card game. They always think they're hot shit but can't evaluate or understand anything properly. This whole thread is a pretty good example.
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>>188405328
There are a lot of ways to do it, anon.
>>188405379
How would they know otherwise? It's not Miracle(™ wizards of the coast) rogue. What reason would they possibly think the name came from elsewhere when you call a deck that draws 15 cards in 1 turn "miracle"?
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>>188405473
Basically, like River Croc and Gnomacula?
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>>188404226
if you enjoy killing priest's dreams, yeah
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>>188405328
dont know, can't get past the first guy, but yeah, you have to hit him for 30 in one turn, ive tried like 10 times with a priest, trying to get a lightborn with all my health buff cards, but its all fucking luck and RNG
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Can you guess which one belongs to the "ultimate weapons class?"
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>>188405379
it may as well be, considering no one runs questing adventurer in miracle anymore
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>>188405519
>How wOuldmthey know otherwise
Never forget that the average hs player think that watching Streams is a valuable source of information
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>>188394616
>New expanion introduces the most overpowered cards of all time
>Somehow basic cards are the problem
>Druid gets a counterfeit coin
>Warrior gets the worst 3 mana weapon in the game even tho he is a warrior
>Hex gets nerfed even tho nobody was complaining about it

Please burn in hell blizzard.
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>>188405435
No feel can save you from being a no good dirty weeb
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>>188405379
Why is it called miracle rogue anyway? What does it have to do with Miracles? I don't see any cards that win you the game when you topdeck them nor any tops
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>>188405473
I'm familiar with a functional reprint, but I'm used to it being, you know, a textless creature with a different tribe. Not something that let's you double up on an effect. Imagine them functionally "reprinting" Korkron elite or something.
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>>188405070
t. Shekelberg Goldstein
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They nerfed pirate warrior and you idiots are complaining?!
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>>188405674
nyaa!
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>>188405616
>comparing 2 rares and a basic card
LMAO
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Somebody posts the screenshot of the guy trying to convice everybody that blizzard won't touch the basic set.
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>>188405748
>They nerfed pirate warrior
They bent warrior over and shoved a broomstick into his ass more like
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>>188405692
>a textless creature with a different tribe.
That's literally not a functional reprint because by being a different tribe it's a very different card. A functional reprint is basically the same exact card with a different name, like the aforementioned soul sisters. Hearthstone hasn't had any yet.
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>>188405748
they nerfed warrior as a class to be fair
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>>188405616
What if FWA got +1/+1 for every secret too?
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>>188405748
they nerfed pirate warrior by dumpstering the entire class instead of changing the most broken legendary in the game
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>>188405867
honestly druid got a bigger nerf
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>Fiery Lose Axe
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>>188405824
you're right, sorry. do you have the image for the not shit 3 mana warrior weapon? I must have lost it somewhere.

muh card rarity
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>>188405747
>weebshit
You sure told me
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>>188405824
Rarity does not anything to do with cardset you twat
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>>188405867
More like a fiery war axe
lmao
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>>188394616
>Finja worthless
>Gentle megasaur worthless
>The 1/3 murloc worthless
Where is my dust blizzshit
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>>188405867
>>188405914
And you know what? Warrior fucking deserved it. The class has been tier one forever.
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>>188405967
King's Defender
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>>188405748
t. anduin
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>>188405683
Its named after an old magic deck called Miracle-gro that worked like old questing adventurer rogue decks
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>excited for the changes
>come here
Of fucking course you faggots would wine
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>shaman is my highest level character, and i spent the most dust on him, getting decent epic cards and what not when i started playing when the game came out
>hes fucking shit now and its impossible to win with him
wow, thats fucking gay.
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>>188405748
mushi mushi, beito desu
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>>188406003
HAHAHAHAHA
JUST BUY MORE PACKS
AHAHAHHA
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Oh, I almost forgot.
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Why the fuck is fiery war axe 3 mana now
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Who play priest and mage only here?

Feels good
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>>188406212
design space
if there's already a good 2 mana weapon in warrior, then they can't print one in the next set
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8 MORE MONTHS OF THIS GAY FAGGOT SUPER SOAKING YOUR FACE

YOU THINK YOU CAN MILL HIM?
HE PLAYS BENEDICTUS
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>>188406212
Because FWA has been one of the most stupidly powerful cards in the game forever and has almost singelhandedly kept Warrior in the high tiers since Hearthstone's inception
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>>188406050
>>>/wild/
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>>188406247
I exclusively play Paladin
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>>188406165
>not having all class lv60 by now
>investing heavily into one class only
Lmao why would you do this
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>>188406212
bladeflurry was getting to strong
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>>188404762
alright then lets nerf every single basic card that's ever been used by anyone
Arcane Intellect now draws 1 card
Animal Companion costs 4 mana
Arcanite Reaper no longer deals damage to heroes
Assassinate can only be used on undamaged minions
Backstab costs 1
Blessing of Kings gives +2/+3
Bloodlust gives +2 atk
Consecration deals 1 damage
Deadly Poison gives +1 atk
Dread Infernal only deals damage to your minions
Fan of Knives no longer draws a card
Fire Elemental costs 8
Fireball deals 4 damage
Flametongue totem has 1 health
Frost Nova costs 4
Frostbolt costs 3
Hellfire deals 2 damage
Holy Nova deals damage to all characters
Houndmaster gives +1/+1
Kill Command costs 4
Mortal Coil costs 2
Northshire Cleric is a 1/1
Novice Engineer costs 3
Power Word Shields no longer draws a card
Sap reduces the minion's costs by 3
Savage Roar gives +1 atk
Shadow Bolt can only be used on undamaged minions
Shadow Word Death costs 5
Shadow Word Pain only affects 2 attack and lower minions
Shield Block gives 3 armor
Swipe deals 1 damage to all minions
Truesilver champion is a 3/2
Vanish costs 8
Void Walker is a 1/2
Whirlwind costs 2
Wild Growth has Overload:1


there now all of them will be replaced ASAP, happy?
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>>188406290
>>188406347
>one card keeping warriors relevant
>let's fucking nerf it into mediocre neutral power level
>not even rotate it into wild
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>>188406212
For consistency reasons.
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>>188406247
>stories from rank 26
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>competence is dead
>have old geezer benedictus in my ranks to protect me from millfags
>aggro babies cant hurt me now

what a wonderful time to be a priest
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>>188406460
I actually would, we would see more diversity. Im already olaying wild since I started in beta and have a good collection so I like to play and see a good amount of variety.

So yes, I would be happy, poeple would be forced to fix their decks in interesting ways, me included.
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>>188406212
i am 90 wins of my final gold hero.
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>>188406395
because i dont give all my NEET bucks to blizzard for lootboxes like a good little goy. and i stopped playing for like 3 years, because all card games are cancer, its literally pay to win.
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>>188406460
Who else is really enjoying the Warrior salt today?
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>>188405616
I remember something about progression the Brode talked about. They wanted basic cards to be bad, and from a new player perspective they are supposed to be replaced once better cards are acquired. Think magma rager and ice rager.
But for real, warrior now really needs a cheap weapon that isn't shit, and it will be months before a new expansion arrives. I think something along the lines of a 2 mana 2/3 weapon could be good if it had the "can't go face" tag on it, and that could still be busted if you upgrade it. Cheap weapons are hard to balance. 3 attack for 2 mana is a bit too much, it's basically a 2 mana kill 2 minions in the early game.
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>>188406630
>I stopped playing for 3 years
Why the fuck did you return? Just leave the fucking game for good then.
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>>188406520
>not even rotate it into wild
I don't understand why they didn't just rotate innervate and war axe into wild. Why do they have the arbitrary restriction on themselves that they only rotate cards into the HoF during yearly rotations?
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As long as cancerous 3 mana, 3 hp minions exist there will always be room for a 3/2 weapon even with no/useless card text.
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>>188406589
>reducing available cards increases diversity
no what happens is whichever card gets the most op cards that xpac is played, everyone else aint
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>The other option we considered for Fiery War Axe was to lower its attack to 2, but that change didn’t feel intuitive enough. Generally, changing the mana cost of a card is less disruptive, because you can always see the mana cost of cards in your hand.

They made a balance change based around whether you can always see a number in your hand! That's it, I quit!
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>>188396000
They also considered putting ice block into hall of fame. So mage might be dead next year too
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frost lich jaina in arena is absolutely balanced
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>>188406847
Yes, and this changes every expansions instead of 4 years of the same basic cards played in every decks of their classes
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> let's fucking kill warrior cards
At least, Innervate is playable...
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>>188406902
Cya tomorrow
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>>188406930
All the death knights are stupid broken in arena
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Here is your UI counter.
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>>188406964
>didn't even give the card some useless or situational text
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>>188406960
alright, oh by the way, the game is now dead and no more updates are being made because people got tired of playing the same 2 classes for an entire year and new players gave up when they saw the crap they started with
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>pay 3 (THREE) mana for your war axe to swing at a 1/2
>
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>>188407029
>actually organising shit with reddit
Kys
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>>188407019
Are you retarded?
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>>188407019
>not making it a 3/6 so it doesn't die to UI
>or a 5/3 so it can trade into the ghoul without dying
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>>188407074
And then the other 1/2 destroys the war axe.
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>>188406964
A coin is not playable in druid. It's too poor value. I think it will be replaced by cheap cycle like Loothoarder or Novice Engineer, or maybe Mistress of mixtures for extra urvivability.
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>>188407139
Yes
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>>188407074
>3 mana 2 damage + 1 into your face
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>>188407019
>Only one card
>Dies to UI
We can do better
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>people actually enjoy playing pirate warrior

How?
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>>188407067
Good
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>only 1 epic+ card nerfed
Blizzard are such fucking Jews. I'm sure their first priority with any patch is to minimize the amount of dust granted to players. Actually balancing the game comes a distant second.
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I like when retards pretend to be smart by criticizing designer team decisions like they created this game themselves from scratch.
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>>188407301
and it's a classic epic at that without which an entire archetype becomes useless but because all the other cards technically weren't nerfed you don't get a refund for them
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>>188407354
20k warrior wins
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>>188406153
>excited for the changes
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>>188407301
And the epic card is from the classic set, so they can print more murloc synergy cards like Megasaur :)
@188407354
fuck off blizzcuck
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>>188405824

Rares are literally not supposed to be stronger than commons.
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>>188407301
>butthurt f2pfag
Everytime
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>>188407431
No, but rares are supposed to be more complex than commons
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*jerks off on your face for 20 minutes*
you think you had a chance kid?
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>>188407354
Being a critic does not require game design experience. Understanding of ideas and creativity don't always go hand-in hand.

That being said, Fibonacci is a faggot. Pirate warrior will forever be a plague in wild, and Win Axe was always borderline broken.
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>>188407398
Doesn't count as he abused broken card to get them.
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>>188407431
Do you not know how rarity works?
Tell me anon, what other card games did you play? And I'm not talking about digital ones.
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>>188407635
to be fair other card games dont matter
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>>188396971
Following pattern of 3 neutral 3 class cards of mammoth hall of fame
Neutral:
Auctioneer
Doomsayer
Wild Pyro
Class:
Ice Block
Equality
Nourish

Other runner-up might be Evis Prep or Mana Tide
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>>188407619
c'mon man
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>>188407494
>paying real money for virtual cardboard
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>>188407354

>Creators are infallible, perfect beings who can do no wrong.
Please google "skullclamp mtg ban" to see how competent people handle balance screwups.
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Ok, what if, what if, UI drew more cards, like 10 or more to guarantee overdraw?

>>188407585
4 attack minion can't be targeted, every time the opponent hero powers heal your face for 3, did I predict next expansion?
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>>188407635
>Do you not know how rarity works?

Do you? Rarity is literally not supposed to be a card's power level. That is not what it's for. Rarity is simply rarity.
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>>188407724
>taking both equality and pyro
Neither are much of a problem though
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>>188407431
>>188407535
bonemare should have been an epic according to blizz design rules for common/rare/epic but that's not the world we live in
don't take the rules too serious
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I approve the changes, here is a list of basic cancer that needs to be purged from the game asap.
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>>188407707
HS is one of the shittiest card game on the market, so yes other card games matter. HS didnt invent anything, if these changes surprises you then I have bad news.
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>>188407635
Not that guy, but if you're talking about MTG, it is literally one of the worst offenders when it comes to pay2win rarity schemes. There's a reason they have a pauper play mode, and that's because poor people cannot compete with meta decks.

Ideally, rarity SHOULD be assigned by complexity, if at all. There's plenty of card games out there that successfully do away completely with the randomised booster pack distribution model. At the end of the day it's just overpriced cardboard.
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>>188407635
Explain Poisoned Blade
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>>188407939
>t. rank 47
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>>188407903
How? It's not complicated at all. It just buffs a minion
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>>188407879
>rariryy is not supposed
Except it pretty much is all the time.
Look at any card gam, look at the best decks. What do you see? A bunch of good rare/rarer cards of all types and maybe a few good common/uncommon. Hs is no exception.

I know in THEORY theyre not supposd but that is literally never the case.
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>>188407761
> explorer's hat + arcane intellect is somehow broken
how?
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>swarming plague is broken!!

hahahahaha lol
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>>188407898
I dunno I couldn't think of 3rd neutral that's used a lot. Thalnos maybe if not pyro?
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>>188407997
i one shot that adventure boss with it.
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>>188407968
Its not just Mtg, and I know that it should be about complexity but they pretty much always end up better.
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>>188407997
It is good in Razakus DK Priest
>>
Tales from rank 20
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>>188408147
>I got one lucky play so it justifies that the card isnt broken
3/10 got me to reply
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>>188408130
that'd actually be a neat card
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>>188408130
Oh anon, so young and innocent in your card game journey
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Are there even going to be any decks apart from Razakus, Jade and Quest Mage on ladder?
>>
Kill me.
>>
Why do people whining all the fucking time stay here? Quit the game already.
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>>188408130

>Explorer's hat + Arcane intellect for 2
Mana (1 after the first time)
Think a bit.
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>>188408293
excuse you im rank 19 now
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>>188408359
Proly not.
i can't even play off meta meme decks like menagerie druid anymore
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>>188408359
Hear me out
Just give me a second
Buffadin
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>>188408445
People love complaining, especially on the internet, and ESPECIALLY on 4chan
I don't even play the game anymore but I came to this thread just for today since I knew people would go ballistic over the nerfs
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>>188408359
Play wild if you want deck variety
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>>188408130
Read that card again.
It gives -1 Defense so you can sac 1 health minions for 2 draws instantly and re-equip
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>>188405439
>lose to aggro like it has in the past
you would have a good point, except they nerfed aggro the hardest AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED NON-DRUID SHITTERS
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>>188408359
yeah I hear Moorabi's a real sleeper who's just waiting for someone to make the right deck for him
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>>188408074
master of ceremonies isn't exactly complicated either
epic isn't defined by mechanical complexity, even if the most mechanically complex cards end up there; if anything rare is the slot defined by a certain minimum level of mechanical complexity
epic is also a slot for cards that just kind of do too much, and 9/9 across two bodies with partial taunt / partial charge is doing too much
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>>188408307
Well if it was broke before it sure isn't now
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>>188408643
It should be pretty easy to make a good Moorabi deck. All you have to do is find a way to put him in Mage instead of Shaman
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>>188408576
Honestly, the HS playerbase is so terrible and juvenile, its actually very entertaining. I'm used to people crying over nerfs and ban but for some reason HS ones are always over the top. People seem really attached to their favorite class and dont actually want much changes.
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>>188408612
Except in that matchup the waraxe nerf isn't the game changer innervate is. Don't get me wrong waraxe nerf is huge but not as much in this praticular matchup
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>>188408576
>I don't even play the game anymore but I came to this thread

lol, poor fellow
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You guys are honestly worse than reddit with card evaluation skills.
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holy shit, is it gonna be out this week?

that's way too fucking fast
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>>188408445
>Why do people whining all the fucking time stay here? Quit the game already.

I did. Now I'm trying to make other people quit. Everyone who quits this game is a victory for me.
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>>188408918
>4chan posters are worst than Reddit posters
Is that really news to you?
I honestly come here to laugh at them
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>>188408932
probably after HCT
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>>188408793
> spend 50000 dust for you favorite deck
> one key card is nerfed (because reddit hates your that in particular) in retarded ways (because team cuck base their decisions on literal 10 year olds player base)
> now your cards are useless
Wow! I wonder, why people whine so much! XD
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>>188409073
stay mad poorfag
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>>188408793

Stop pretending the nerfs aren't absolutely retarded every single time. Blizzard has no idea how to balance things.
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>>188409073
literally /thread
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>>188409131
> spending money
> on jpeg files
good goy
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>>188409131
>you should give blizz more money
Yes you should
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>>188398046
Now you know how us Rogue cucks felt.
Enjoy the taste.
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>>188408684
That's the idea and is generally true, even if it's not always the case.
Besides rarity certainly isn't based on power level either like some people seem to think. Your average common is MUCH better than your average epic, which are generally gimmicky garbage. Most commons are at least playable.
Rarer cards are generally more complicated and are allowed to be stronger, but they aren't by default. It's really a card by card basis. This is true for every card game, even Magic; a ton of rares and mythics are completely fucking unplayable, meanwhile treasure cruise is banned in every format except vintage. I know that's cherry-picking, but that's my point; higher rarity cards aren't stronger by default
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>jade druid
>jade druid
>jade druid
>pirate warrior
>pirate warrior

I guess Blizzard doesn't want people playing their game
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>>188408359

token shaman is alright
im sure aggro druid will be fine without innervate
rogue and warlock archetypes won't be affected much
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mmm how am i supposed to win now?
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>>188409261
There's even bigger influx of them now since the news is out
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>>188409261
don't worry, pirate warrior is getting nerfed so you'll be able to play nothing but jade druids
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>>188408359
Krulzakus is pretty good too

a shame Soliazakus is trash
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>>188398046
Innervate isn't ramp card.
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>jade druid is broken
>my gimmick taunt druid deck gets nerfed
Haha classic
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>play forge of souls and get war axe
>play war axe on turn 3

finally, i dont feel so bad
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>>188409261
come play wild this season
It's fun!
>>188409337
top deck silence or mortal strike :^) you'd be surprised how many people at that rank might just concede
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>>188409297
It's actually a huge nerf to aggro druid. The amount of games that deck won on the back of tempo plays such as turn 1 vicious fledgling or being able to make a board and innervate a buff to your board
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>>188407019

Two of these cause an infinite loop.
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>>188408932
That was announced well before the nerfs
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>>188409495
wrong the answer was hit the hydra twice
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>>188408932
>>188409053
Yeah, HCT Asia-Pacific Summer Playoffs this weekend then Americas next weekend. Then nothing til October 20th. So probably nerfs in exactly two weeks.
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>>188409573
>literally fucking missing the meme :^)
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>>188408932
Brode did say that they prefer to update the game as soon after the announcement of the changes as possible.
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> Free Win Axe is NEEDS TO GO
> Frostbolt is somehow okay
> Shadow Word Pain is fair card
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>>188409648
lol sorry did i offend you
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Now even the Leddit sycophants downvote Brode. They always complained about the meta, but they always backed down once he appeared in the thread. Not anymore.

This game is truly doomed, isn't it? Once people realize that the changes result in even more Druids, the jig is up.
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>>188409781
no wonder your rank 19
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>>188409682
Are you fucking stupid? Fiery War Axe is 10 times better than both those cards
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>>188395370
>>188395915
doomsayer received an insane buff when ironbeak owl got nerfed out of existence.
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>>188409510

yeah you're right aggro druid is definitely gonna drop off but I think overall the archetype will survive albeit with some dropoff in play

on the other hand the already low warrior play rate is gonna fall off a cliff
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>>188409843
because the season ended 5 days ago?
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>>188409942
Oh for sure I'm in complete agreement, the impact of these nerfs will heavily affect the meta as a whole
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>>188409819
the more dead the game is the less cancerous these threads become
I hope druidstone mk2 makes people desert the game so the incorrigible addicts can mutter about hearthstone in peace
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>>188394616
>FWA got nerfed

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>188409261
I'm actually playing jade druid for the first time so that I can taste the power while I can. So far its amazing.
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>>188395653
Shadowverse is not shit though.
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>>188410421
SV is amazing since their nerf, the meta is very memy
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>>188410230
>so the incorrigible addicts can mutter about hearthstone in peace
you mean if the threads are slow enough I'll be able to post my dragon hunter deck and discuss how good it is?
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>>188401387
The armor is 3 sizes too big for her chest.
She's stuffing her bra.
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>>188394616
>everyone makes jokes about Blizzard nerfing Swipe
>memes become reality but even worse
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>>188410421
Shadowverse is fucking trash. It is the most brainless digital CCG on the market right now. They completely destroyed their game by heavily enforcing the soft turn cap and powercreeping the shit out of it. It is completely play-on-curve and win and you barely ahve any agency, if any at all. The only things that matter are the deck match-up, who goes first, and what cards are drawn. And while all card games have those, they also tend to have a place for fucking player skill too. Even Hearthstone is a more skillful game than SV.
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>>188409819
Someone doesn't understand how to evaluate cards at all
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>>188394858
I wish Gwent didn't have one of the worst user interfaces in the history of online card games.
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>>188410546
Her armor is thick for protection you donut, of course it's bigger than her chest
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>>188410546
She is having a mid-life crisis, please stop bullying her.
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>>188410848
>>188410910
Who cares when she has a stomach like that. It's perfect. Green, but perfect.
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>>188401001
I love her even though there are much, much better choices.
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I've been thinking... Murloc Pally, Pirate Warrior and Token Druid have effectively been nerfed. Murlocs aren't entirely unplayable now, but PW and TD took a huge hit, which is a good thing for Jade Druid, since those decks were the biggest counter, right? That's why so many people are panicking?

What a lot of them are missing is that aggro held a lot of decks back that would have also been favorable against Jade Druid and seen a lot of play if it hadn't been for the rampant early game that other popular decks carry. With aggro being less of an issue, I think people will quickly find much better ways to deal with Jade, and the mulligan against Druid will be less of a 50/50 in general.

In which case Priest and Mage are gonna have a field day with these changes.
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>wake up
>nerfs leave jade druid stronger than before
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At least Priests will be gentle with my asshole. I can't say the same for Mages.
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>>188411262
>Nerfs leave jade druid stronger than before
>No innervate
>Spreading Plague comes out a turn later
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>>188411356
>Every class that could stand up to jade druid is in a shallow grave
It's all about perspective, anon.
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>>188411262
>Stronger than before
Are you fucking high?
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>>188411482
Druid can also no longer have insane tempo plays or cast turn 5/6 CI. Its an absolute massive nerf to all forms of druid.
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>>188409858
>damage your own face
>can be oozed
>better
Mage and priest players, everyone.
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>>188411482
>The absence of aggro makes other decks countering jade druid more appealing
Wow, you're right, perspective does make a difference. Thanks, anon!
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>>188411356
>Innervate
>A problem

Turn 2: Ramp
Turn 3: Ramp
Turn 4: Ramp
Turn 5: Drake
Turn 6: UI
Top notch nerf right there
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>>188411262
Stronger relative to other decks maybe but definitely not stronger than before
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So wait, I thought ramp was supposed to be druid's thing.

Like you play druid so you can make big cards earlier on.

Why kill innervate like this? It benefits all archetypes, sure, but I'd have taken the 4 mana gain 6 mana variant over this bullshit.

Is the soul of the class now just about gaining empty mana crystals and choose one effects?
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>>188411962
Innervate isn't ramping.
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>4 mana 3/3 equip 2/2
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>>188411905
>Frost bolt can only kill 1 minion and only deals 3 face damage
>Shadow word pain can only kill 1 minion and is fucking useless half the time
>War Axe kills 2 minions and deals 6 total damage
They're not even in the same ballpark of power. War axe is stupid good.
>>188411962
Innervate isn't a ramp card. It's a tempo card. Druid still has all of its ramp; gaining mana crystals permanently is literally what ramp is.
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>>188411962
they still have ramp, they're still going to run 7-8 ramp cards
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>>188411962
>Why kill druid like this
Innervate still gives a mana and they still have bullshit like nourish they'll be fine
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Reminder this will happen but with a legendary card so you have to craft it.
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>>188411923
>Drawing 3 ramps spells out of 4/5 in the deck
The chances this happens and back to back turn 2 3 and 4 is so small. Also if that's your line of play you will lose to any tempo or aggro deck
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>realize I never finished heroic league of explorers
>do lady Naz'jar which I remember to be quite hard
>she always summons her minions at the same cost as original and summons mine +1 cost
WUT, nice bug though
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>>188411962
It hasn't changed the ramp aspect it has hurt druids ability to react to early threats and push out out super early threats such as turn 3 Aya or turn 5 CI. It will drop the consistency of the deck and open weaknesses to aggro and tempo style decks
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>>188412124
You totally ignore the face damage, right? Let's do some comparison here.
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I've heard that if you downvote Brode on reddit, your next pity-timer legendary will be a Prince, no matter which packs you open and whether or not you already have all four.
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so this expac was basically
>druid is fucked by aggro lets give him a lot of anti aggro cards!
>other classes? who cares give them a bunch of random cards that may or may not fit into the meta
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>jade druid now has 2-3 more flex slots
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At least some of you cunts are finely being educated about how some cards work. Just winging about the wrong cards in this thread happens way too much. Guess most of you are stuck at rank 20 for a reason
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>>188412182
What aggro decks? Murloc pally? Pirate warrior?
How much does blizzard pay you?
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>>188412397
>Lose the strongest card in your deck
>Don't worry I just have more flex slots
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POST YOUR'RE FAVORITE CLASS IDENTITY

>rogue being a tricky trickster
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>>188412561
Shaman being RNG
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>>188412298
Life is just a resource, especially in a class who can gain life for 2 mana every turn. The "downside" of weapons is barely a downside, and for all the games you lose because you take too much face damage smacking shit you'll win 5 more because of the insane value/tempo you get.
Instead, let's talk about how I didn't mention how war axe can be upgraded so you can get even more value out of it, or how it synergizes with certain minions, or how you can play it before you use it freeing up the mana the turn you actually kill something with it allowing much more powerful tempo pushes than a normal removal card.
Even if it gets oozed you still probably killed something beforehand, so you STILL got value out of it. Weapons are dumb.
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>>188412298
>using a weapon for a class that can't heal as comparison
Hmm, I wonder how many ways of gaining armor Warrior has...
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>druid being HUGE


Why do they do this to me.
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>nerf shaman's claws and tuskarr
>still strong as ever

nice to see history repeat with druid
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>>188412482
Bullshit. Every jade drood I play against uses innervate for a ping after spending 10 mana crystals or if he needs to draw another card with the 2 mana ramp spell after casting UI, fuck off rank 23 player.
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>>188412756
>spacing being HUGE

Why do they reddit to me
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>>188412808
>nerf aggro shaman and let in midrange shaman
>nerf aggro druid and let in jade druid

it's like poetry
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>>188412849
If you're playing against druids who use innervate like that I take it you haven't climbed much further than rank 20. Do you not understand how powerful free mana is?
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>>188413109
It's a nerf to every style of druid not just aggro
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>>188409380
hey anon, how's it feel knowing some spam bot copied your post over here? >>188410285
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>>188412636
Now tell me how am I supposed to stop a Frost Bolt to my face unless I am playing Mage.

>>188412646
Not an argument.
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>>188413113
>If you're playing against druids who use innervate like that I take it you haven't climbed much further than rank 20. Do you not understand how powerful free mana is?
>U DONT UNDERSTAND HOW GOOD INNERVATE IS XDDDD U R RANK 20
We didn't have any problems with jade in Ungoro but suddenly innervate is the problem. Get lost shitter.
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>>188413501
>Not an argument.
Not an argument.
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>>188413596
>>Not an argument.
>Not an argument.
Not an argument.
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>>188413501
>B-but frost bolt can go over taunts so it doesn't matter that FWA can deal much more damage overall and is much better at early game control and tempo pushes!!!!
You clearly have no idea how card games work if you think frost bolt is better than war axe
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>>188413584
>We didn't have any problems with jade in Ungoro
Why are druidnigger memes so shit?
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>>188405224
Lightning Bolt will nit come back to magic standard until someone has a brain hemorrhage and counterspell hasn't even been made legal for modern.
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>>188411585
>>188411940
>I have to take everything strictly literally instead of interpreting from obvious context because otherwise I couldn't gain karma points for sarcasm on a Korean child trafficking website
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>>188413667
Both has their pros and now one of them gets nerfed to a 3 mana. Nice balance.
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>>188413694
>Uses Trump reaction image
>Is an idiot
Like pottery
Aggro will still exist and Jade Druid is now much worse against aggro. Jade Druid is not stronger.
Who knows, maybe it's time for aggro pally, zoo, or even good old face hunter to come back now that war axe is gone
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>>188413584
mage was too fast for jade druid by the end of ungoro, jade druid was still a solid tier 2 deck for most of it
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>>188413584
Innervate has always been a broken card what don't you understand. Druid just has had better cards printed recently and innervate lets you tempo them out. Guess what cards have always broken other card games in half, it's always been free mana and excessive card draw since they let you playing at a faster tempo than your opponent or combo off.
If you play against people who use innervate to hero power or wrath of all things in most situations I take you aren't at a very high rank and your opponents are retarded
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>throw geist into a jade's doomsayer for tempo
fuck man im dying
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Is Blizzard seriously nerfing basic cards just so we can't get dust for them? Are they really that jewish?
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>>188413690
Counterspell is fine in standard though, wizards is just too scared to print any good spells. They consider mana leak to good for standard when it has always been fine
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you boys ready for bow to be sent to hall of fame?
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>>188414054
Blizzard is nerfing cards that have always been stupid good, arguably even broken, and are now starting to cause real problems due to other powerful cards being printed, which people can't seem to grasp
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>>188399189
The whole basic set.
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>>188413690
Lightning Strike was pretty much the nail in the coffin for that particular issue years ago.

Love the new flavor text though.
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So now that innervate is getting nerfed is counterfeit coin literally the first time they've just straight up reprinted one class card for another class? Closest thing I can think of is arcane explosion and malestrom portal where one was a strict upgrade
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>>188414304
Counterfeit coin is better though for the very fact it is in rogue.
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>Ultimate Infestation untouched
>Jade Idol untouched
>Fucking fiery war axe and murloc warleader nerfed
I'm fucking dying how did they reach this conclusion
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>>188413883
>Bottom tier 2 then
>Tier 0 now
hmmm

>>188413916
>I don't understand that innervate is negative card draw, yet I use card draw as an argument for good cards.
Must be nice copying opinions from reddit.
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>>188414489
war axe is good early game and kills druid
warleader prevents swipe from wiping board
its literally all a buff for druid
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>>188414228
But I thought they started rotating cards because of that shit
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Does anyone else feel like they should just rotate the entire basic and classic set out and create a third ladder strictly for them? Then people who are too stingy to acquire new cards would have nothing to bitch about.
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>>188414538
Do you understand nothing about card games at all? Innervate creates tempo
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>>188414738
That's why they're nerfing the cards that never rotate rather than the ones that do
This is the grave they dug themselves. They never should have kept a set that never rotates in a rotating format.
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>>188414538
I hope your trolling cause otherwise your fucking retarded
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>>188398046
>*warps back to pre-old gods meta*
>*plays Force of Nature*
>*plays Savage Roar*
>*kills you from 14*
Nothing personnel, kid.
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>>188414738
Clearly one rotation a year isn't enough. It's because the game is too simple and offers no variation in deck building.
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>>188414904
>I hope your trolling cause(s) otherwise
???
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Mark Rosewater was right when he said that players are very good at identifying problems but fucking abysmal at fixing them
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>>188414538
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>>188415019
I could easily fix War Axe, just make your hero take double damage while attacking :^)
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>>188415182
This card is shit, it's negative card draw. Why would you ever play it?
It's not lotus that's broken, it's the things you're playing with lotus! Lotus is fine!
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>>188415019
It's always like this when a card is nerfed or banned in MTG. People in these threads just have no idea how to evaluate cards and what is actually breaking the decks. Here's a hint it's normally the engine cards that enable the overpowered interactions.
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>wake up
>see nerfs

What the fuck is this?
Is this a joke?

>Innervate
It's Just counterfeit coin now. Why not have it cost 1 and still give 2 or something instead of just making it a rogue card.
>Spreading Plague
Okay? So what druids will maybe run one less copy now. Doesn't really matter if you nerf the cost by one since druids have 6 mana by turn 4 quite often
>War axe
While a very strong card apparently it gave them less design space for future weapon pirate cards
>Hex
Obviously a good card but did it really need to get nerfed? I guess they have big plans for future control shaman stuff.
>Murloc
What? This one is very confusing. I honestly think they nerfed it not because it was too powerful but because of the interaction where it can basically heal your other murlocs 1 health sometimes which they were too lazy to fix. Sure it's a nerf but I don't think murloc decks are dead or anything like some other tards are saying.
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>>188415323
To be fair sometimes the devs don't get it either
>Hey let's just ban Emrakul and not ban Marvel itself even though it's obviously busted and will still cause major problems. I-it's not our fault guys we had to change rotation schedules!!
They did it eventually but god why didn't they just ban marvel originally
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>>188414764
yeah but they fucked up too bad to admit that now

it's gonna take a lot more nerfs to the basic and classic sets until they accept they could've just rotated them out
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>>188415182
you realize that innervate can't compare to this card, the better card to compare it to is dark ritual.
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>>188414841
Soon there won't be any Basic cards left

And to think that all of this is because they didn't just nerf Dr. Boom all that time ago
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>nerfing murlocs
>nerfing hex
>removing innervate from the game
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>188415667
I am well aware but it was an example of how powerful free mana is. Dark ritual is also insanely powerful
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>>188415695
>And to think that all of this is because they didn't just nerf Dr. Boom all that time ago
This idea is really stupid, they were going to have to introduce formats eventually. They jsut did it in a kind of bungled way; they really should have rotated basic and classic out too. They could just make a core set every year and make that one have free cards too for new players. That way they would never be stuck with anything.
Having to constantly nerf/change the basic and classic set also fucks over wild, which is another big downside. Wild should be a place where you can play all your favorite decks of old, but you can't because of standard.
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>>188415323
I wish Blizzard just straight-up banned cards from time to time, even if it's just temporarily to see what happens.
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Honestly the more I think about it I agree with most nerfs but the Hex one.
We're at the point people aren't even running Hex, I get that in the future this nerf would possibly be needed but right now it's really not needed at all, felt like they jumped the gun for no reason.
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>>188414764
>>188415656
>rotating out the fucking basic and classic cards

how to lower your new player retention even more 101
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>>188416082
>agree with most nerfs
>warrior, the weapon class, cannot have good weapon
Hmm
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>>188415989
>This idea is really stupid, they were going to have to introduce formats eventually.

They really didn't, there are less cards in a HS expansion than a single MtG expansion and those are paper cards instead of digital ones that can be changed
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>bored
>turn on toasts stream
>7 druids in a row
What an amazing game blizzard
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I feel like this card should be playable with such a powerful refill at 10 mana. Especially after the nerf when ramp will be even more important. Unfortunately I'm not willing to craft it to test it.
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>>188395195
Start playing EDH like I did with my mates who've been playing for years.
Get 3 other losers and drop some cash on Commanders Anthology so you get some basic card you'll use in a lot of EDH decks.
make the fucker getting Heavenly Assault cough up more cash, even though Plunder and Evasive are more fun and Guilded is the straight up strongest deck
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>>188416260
In par with the other weapon class then.
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>>188416317
Ultimate Infestation is fun. Fun!
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>>188416098
Make a core set for each standard cycle, make some of the cards free like the basic set, and put reprints in it so if you have the cards from old sets you can use those and don't have to get the new ones instead.
There you go. Problem solved.
>>188416315
They really did though.
Constantly changing cards is an awful idea and eventually the card pool will be so big the only cards that will have any effect are stupidly broken ones, meaning power creep will be rampant and old cards might as well not exist anymore. For an example of a card game that doesn't use formats and suffers heavily for it, look at YGO.
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>>188416331
It's trash. You don't want to ramp when you are playing early minions.
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Thank you Blizzard for buffing Keleseth in Warrior.
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>>188416331
too slow and too inconsistent
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>>188416260
Warrior still has plenty of good weapons, that card was overpowered since you'd use it on any warrior no matter what kind it was, so the nerf is understandable. Also it was an instant pick on arena for a reason, it's still even good enough to pick on arena now, as have been most 3 mana 3/2 weapons with effects you couldn't make use of.
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>>188416345
FWA is now worse than Shadowblade and Eaglehorn. No, fuck rarity issue. That only makes them harder to craft.
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>>188416317
(Make that 8 now)
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>>188416719
Mage is not going suddenly drop Frost Bolt and Fireball either. Or Rogue with Eviscerate. You call those core cards.
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>read patch notes
*breathes in heavily*
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>>188416080
They could if they wanted by just hall of faming the card
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>>188416923
Those are all balanced.
War Axe was overpowered.
>>188416972
They can't do that because for some reason they refuse to hall of fame cards except during rotations, which is dumb as hell
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>>188417057
I wish they would since it's better than the alternative they have chosen
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>>188417057
>those are all balanced
t. Magewhore
Just tech in Ooze, Corsair or Harrisons.
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>>188417119
Me too, they really should have just put war axe and innervate in the Hall of Fame. No one is going to play them now, innervate especially, so now they're just trash cards and it fucks over the decks in wild for no good reason
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This girl is a shoulder touch slut who desperately needs to be seen sucking goblin dick for arcane dust.
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>>188411262
I fap to this
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>>188416719
>still has plenty of good weapons
What do we have in Standard?
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Find your favorite color or color combination to play, look up the cards within those colors that seem affordable and interesting to you, and always pick instants over sorceries when you have the option. That's it.

If you go play at a local game shop, the people there will gladly help you get started too.
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>>188417251
H-hot I agree
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>>188417237
>t. warriorfag
War Axe is stupid. Early game weapons are fucking stupid and have always been. The early game control they provide is already ridiculous, and on top of that they can be used for face damage as well. Frostbolt can only ever go 1-for-1, war axe often goes 2-for-1 and sometimes even more thanks to pirate synergy, which is absolutely insane. Not to mention you can store charges so you can get access to all your mana the turn you actually decide to kill things, giving you a ton of tempo too. People who don't realize how much better war axe is than comparable removal spells honestly have no idea how this game actually works.
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>>188411262
Isn't wearing no bra violating Twitch's "Christian server" rules?
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>>188417251
>that slut
>not the cute pink haird gnome
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>implying innervate was the real problem
Haha time for jades.
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>>188417570
>equip a weapon to "store" it
>get oozed/harrison
Tell me when they print a Geist that allows me to name a spell from an opponent's deck.
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>Blizzard eventually makes it so if you play a basic card Ben Brode breaks into your house and punches you in the dick
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>>188416747
>watching toast stream

Why not just hang out on reddit?
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>>188416337
I actually have a question as someone who is new to EDH but doesn't want to buy a pre-made deck. If I have a commander with a mana cost in it's card text that has a different color than the card itself, does that mean I am allowed to play other cards of those colors in my deck? So if Yasova is my commander, can I play a Temur EDH deck?
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Priestfags HATE her.
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>>188417782
Ive been playing all day and a lot of the time I went "fucking come on" was when they played some bullshit after innervate. I wish they changed other things but fuck that card for real.
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>>188417864

Jokes on them, that's my fetish.
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>>188417965
Most players do
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>>188417853
Even if you get oozed often times you've still killed something with it, meaning you still got your 1-for-1. You're still storing a charge no matter what, which is part of why it's so good.
I don't know what else to tell you. War Axe allows you to kill 2 early game minions to frostbolt's 1, and the second kill costs you no mana. That advantage is fucking huge and it's what puts war axe so over the top. I'm not saying frostbolt is a bad card, obviously it's a great card, but it wishes it could be as good as war axe is.
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The innvervate nerf is just ugly. New players will see the card and be all like, what the fuck happened here? I could hardly believe they buttfucked a basic card like that.
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>>188417782
>Doesn't understand how powerful innervate is
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>try to play Malfurion the Pestilent with 4 seconds left in turn
>doesn't get played because the Choose One didn't come up in time
This is like the only card card in the game where that can happen. Why don't they make the animation play after the choice?
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I already have 2 Ultimate Infestations, should I go for a 3rd?
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>>188417905
I watched it for 2 games
That's about all I can handle
It was funny seeing him get pissed at playingnothing but jades
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>>188418209
take the drake
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>>188418209
You will get run over every single game with 3 infestations
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>>188418209
no. Do you not know how good Primordial Drake is?
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>>188417914

Yes, you're correct

And if you have a colorless commander but he has like red mana in his text you can play red
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>after this nerf goes through, druid will be the only class that has stayed tier 1 since release

really rockin' my noggin'
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>>188418125
New players are going to think Druid is the worst class. Half of their Classic stuff got neutered and without 2 mana Innervate they're never going to see Turn 2 Yetis and all the other shit Druid does that impresses scrubs.
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Is there a deck tracker for Android tablets?
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>>188418276
>>188418296
>>188418341

THREE OF A KIND BOYS
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>>188418118
>frost bolt
>can kill a yeti with 2 pings over 2 turns without taking any damage provided you are not facing a class with heal
>it's not good enough
Nice downplaying, jainafag.
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>>188418209
>drawing 15 cards over the course of a single game
only if you have jade idol
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>>188418359
Awesome, thank you.
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>>188418209
>>188418447
>>188418276
>>188418296
>>188418341
>>188418464

lmaoooo
looks like four of 'em boys.
gonna fuck wreck some arena scrubs.

I'll come back and you guys can apologize after I don't lose a single game.
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>>188418657

You need to stream this absolute wreck.
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>>188418463
>All these faggots who try and argue war axe is on the same level as frost bolt keep bringing up the life loss
First off, killing a yeti with a frostbolt and two pings is a huge tempo loss and you'll likely get completely run over if your opponent plays anything else.
Second, the life is irrelevant. It really is. Life is just a resource; for all the games you die from taking damage via weapon use, you'll win 10 more because fiery war axe will win you the early game and let you snowball from there better than any card in hearthstone. Do you not understand how important that point is? Fiery war axe is the ultimate early game control tool, and the early game is one of the most pivotal points in a game of hearthstone.
Mages would replace frostbolts with war axes in a fucking heartbeat
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>>188418410
Not true at all druid has fallen out of tier one many times since release of the game. When force of nature was nerfed druid certaintly wasn't close to tier one. Also innervate nerf is huge if you didn't realize
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>>188418657
0-3 BlessRNG
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>>188418657
absolute madman
also post deck when done drafting
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>>188418657
>Opening hand: 2 infestations and something else
>Mulligan
>Draw two more infestations
>lose
Godspeed you crazy bastard
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>>188418771
Warriors would replace Armor Up with Fireblast in a fucking heartbeat for Execute meme. Two can play the same game, asshole.
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>>188419061
That's completely irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that war axe is much better than frostbolt overall?
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>>188419061
Man, just give up already. Weapons are insane, period. Look at Rogue in Arena: that dagger is doing most of the work to the point where daggering up on turn 2 is considered a decent play, and as opposed to Warriors, Rogue has no way to reliably gain life or armor.
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>>188419183
That's completely relevant because Armor Up is tempo loss and does not help to fend off early threat.
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>>188419561
Why are you using rogue as an example, they are often considered to have one of if not the weakest hero power in the game
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card idea: dr boom, but for hunter and the boombots are beasts, and they also draw a card upon death
and make it 10 mana legendary

perfect
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>>188419592
Which is why you play war axe on 2 instead of armoring up against aggro and midrange?
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>Ultimate infestation not nerfed
Ebin Blizzard.
Ebin
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>>188419648
Are we even playing the same game?
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>>188419769
And now you cannot War Axe on 2. Gonna Armor Up, right?
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>>188419648
My point is that weapons give you a vital tempo advantage that makes the loss of health absolutely worth it, even when it's just a tiny dagger.

What's next, are you going to say that Warlock's hero power sucks because it makes you lose life and doesn't affect the board?
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>>188420162
Nope Warlock and mage have arguably the strongest hero powers in the game.
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>>188420162
not him, but yeah it kinda does suck
the only purpose of life tap is RNG mitigation, but outside of that... the only card in hand that matters is your last one
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>>188420042
RIP warriors
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>>188419726
>Hunter
>10 mana card
Unplayable
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We gonna need a new thread boys
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>Battlecry: Destroy all cards that didn't start in either deck. (Minions on the board count too.)

Stat it and give it a mana cost.
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>>188420285
>the only card in hand that matters is your last one
I like it
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>>188417782
>turn 2 Nourish
yea, no

Jade druid woudn't be a thing without its insane card draw
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>>188401869
>druids main weakness is aggro
If only the aggro decks weren't nerfed harder than druid...
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>>188420620
>Pirate warrior gone
>Other aggro decks come out of the woodworks
Pirate warrior was keeping aggro back, I'm sure a new aggro king will rise up to crush druids
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>>188420042
Boo-fucking-hoo, there's other 2-cost cards in the game that you can play, faggot.
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>>188420620
Yet aggro still exists, the tempo loss for druid is very significant in these matchups. Fiery War Axe isn't even the card that makes or breaks this matchup
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>>188420285
You are 100% mistaken. Thought you should know.
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>>188420745
You're a fucking idiot if you think that, there are no aggro decks left
>>188420750
Pirate warrior is unplayable without fiery war axe, they don't have good 2 drops anymore
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>>188420838
post rank
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>>188420962
>>188420962
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>>188420746
Cannot wait for Frost Bolt's change to 3 mana so I can say the same thing.
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>>188420745
Aggro druids are still good
They just can't bullshit their way into wins anymore.
Them drawing on curve is still deadly enough.
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>>188421103
It will drop their winrate significantly though. Half the draw to playing that deck was the unfair hands you got with innervate
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Hello everyone,

It's apparent that Blizzard handled this nerf in the most bizarre and ineffective way possible.

Many of you are complaining. That is fine, but you must also complain on other websites and give the game a poor rating. The key is to go places that would turn off new players from the game.

The next step is the most crucial. You need to issue charge backs for any money spent on the games in the last 2 months. Even if you don't win the charge back, they are a pain in the goddamn ass for Blizzard.

The only other alternative other than to fix the nerf, is for Blizzard to give every player 10000 dust. When you nerf a card, you are not just depriving that player of that card, but also all the other cards they crafted to make the take that card was an integral part. For me, I made Pirate Warrior, Jade Druid, Aggro Druid, and Murloc deck in the last 2 months. I spent money to get a lot of the cards/dust for the cards. What I have now is not what I paid for.

Spread the word. Charge-backs are the key
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