/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

fuck anime

first for nothing

>>188372153
also 3 days to dd16 left
>>188372246
rude

so i was waiting for anime thread but looks like it's not coming up eh? so this is new thread....

>>188372153
>tfw going to get hit by Irma during Demo Day

>>188373054
It didn't have to be anime, but I'm getting tired of that style of OP Pic. I want to at the very least have some of the in others being rotated in & out

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>That one idiot who uses OOP in game programming

>>188373329
Here's a (You) just because I feel bad for you.

>>188373329
>That one idiot who uses OOP anywhere

b-b-b-but anon, it's so simple! All you have to do is create an AbstractGameFactoryBean then create a concrete GameFactoryBean Then use the GameFactory to generate a Game object!

>>188372559
Only if you're inflicted with a Twitch Streamer in your game

>>188373329
aren't most popular engines oop?

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Holy shit i'm a dumbass, metals were real dark because all the maps you need to set to linear color manually, jesus christ.

>>188373598
Unity and UE4 are more ECS, which is far superior for gayming

>tfw i want to make a 3d cel shaded model but sketchup shuts down my pc whenever i try to start it even if more complex programs run without problems

>>188373648
>Shadman.jpg

>>188373712
but the c in ecs is oop

>>188373568
>but muh children tho
That's actually a big concern. While not quite the CS:GO scandal, I can believe this is a shitshow waiting to crash

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>>188372328
>I can but optimization takes a day for each level so i rather do that when I'm done with each level so I can sell the game on early access first to my kickstarter backers.
>so I can sell the game on early access first to my kickstarter backers.
>to my kickstarter backers.
Are you sure about that?

I'm slightly confused about delta time.

My game is 60fps top down action shooter. I want to implement delta time so it runs smoothly for everyone, but also so that I can implement slow motion / bullet time.

I understand how to use delta time, something like this:

var seconds_passed = delta_time/1000000;
var move_speed_this_frame = move_speed*seconds_passed;
x += move_speed_this_frame;

But I don't understand for what all should I use it?

Movement sure. Enemies, player, bullets moving. But what about other stuff? Do I need to multiple it with delta time? Timers? Alarms? Counters? For loops? State machine timers? Any kind of statement that is calculating numbers every step? Doesn't that too need to be adjusted when lag spikes occur or not? I'm clearly not understanding it exactly. Seems a bit annoying to multiple practically everything with delta time. Can anyone please help me understand what all should I apply delta time to?

>>188374449
Same question as this guy here. I'm migrating to delta-time shite.

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Realized this spot can be used for blogposting, so: the plan is to use dd16 as a base for a kickstarter demo, and ask for ~5k and dev through the winter

----[ Recap ]----
Game: HACK the FBI
Dev: vestigial
Tools: Unity
Web: @vestigialdev
Progress:
+ Tryn'a demoday
+ Added "guest account" vulnerability
+ 802 wishlists
- Obsessing over small/unimportant things
- Scenario development constantly exposes broken things

>>188374449
use it when something must use real time instead of number of updates: movement, rotation, animation, timers-counters-alarms when needed.
i don't use alarms but i think there's no nice way to use built-in alarms when you need them for real-time things since gamemaker updates them itself and so you'll have to first revert changes made by gmand then subtract time elapsed from alarm (i bet it's something like alarm[x] += (1 - seconds_passed) in step event). you can just set up timers yourself in step event.
if you're using a shitty collision algorithm that allows things to go through walls be sure to clamp your delta_time because when game pauses like if you're dragging the game window, delta_time can get pretty big.

>>188369252
The grass is confusing me. Are you completely invisible in grass? There's 0 feedback. Some suggestions:

>Fading the player to translucent when in grass
>Highlighting grass edges when entering
>Rustling the grass around with vertex displacement

>>188374449
>>188375446
what...
engine...

>>188374449
for counters you just add delta unless you have a different speed for it, delta is just the time between frames, so at 30fps you would have twice delta as 60fps.
for the slow motion you multiply delta by another variable, call it time_dilatation, at normal it'll equal one (as if you're using only delta), but at 0.5 it will make delta half it should be, so anything affected by it will run at half speed (moving objects, counters...)

>>188375664
>migrating to delta-time
>what engine
My own, dummy

>>188374449
>var seconds_passed = delta_time/1000000;
what the fuck are you doing m8

>>188375559
zero gameplay

>>188375846
yeah but those wishlists tho

>draw something at night
>think it looks good
>go to sleep
>look at it in the morning and it looks like shit
>flip canvas
>kill myself

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You can now walljump from enemies. Who the fuck needs weapons anyway.

>>188374449
>>188375446
You use it any time you need to know when a second has passed. Character movement uses it because the units of it's speed is pixels per second. If you have a timer that displays seconds then you should use it there too, though it would be better to use an actual timer (get the unix time at the start, each frame query the current time and subtract the start time)
for loops don't need it because your loops are measured in ticks, not seconds.

>>188375830
ask gmdevs why they decided to make delta_time use microseconds
>>188374449
also just make room_speed really big and if something is too fucking fast you'll know that you have to use delta_time for it.

>>188375846
Lack of progress posts or lack of game gameplay?
You're right either way

>>188375974
loops aren't getting any ticks, they are measured in iterations and are always executed in one tick

>>188376056
No m8, microseconds is what you want, delta_time is the amount in seconds that a frame took. If you add up delta_time for one second then it will sum up to 1.
Right now you are dividing an already tiny number by 1000000 for no reason.

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>>188375781
Delta time is used in basically every commercial game engine. You're saying you wrote your own game engine without knowledge of any other game engines? Did the thought that ~maybe~ you shouldn't write an engine without first experiencing other engines to understand what an engine needs never occur to you when you started your project?

>>188375964
you're asking for bugs mate, if multiple enemies are heading for the player they would fuck the collision and send him to a pit and also will break any movement abilities you have.
how about you disable collision on enemies (aka damage on touch) make proper attack frames, then let the player use a grappling hook on enemies (even if they're moving), this way you can have a platforming section with flying enemies where the player use them to access new areas and secret, like if you don't kill that one flying enemy it will fly into a place where you can use it to access a secret.

>>188376428
No, it did not, you jaded cunt. I program for my own pleasure as a hobby, and as I program, I learn, like I just did right here. Don't bother responding.

>>188376294
>>188376056
wow wait a second, delta_time in GM is not a float but actually an integer? Why the fuck do people still keep using this retarded fucking engine?

>>188376294
you don't know what you're talking about
https://docs2.yoyogames.com/source/_build/3_scripting/4_gml_reference/maths/date%20and%20time/delta_time.html
https://docs.yoyogames.com/source/dadiospice/002_reference/date%20and%20time/delta_time.html

>>188374449
I think you should assume that any game logic runs instantly, and you only want to use delta time when you want to apply the results of that logic over time. Lots of logic you want to apply instantly (eg damage values), but some logic should take longer (eg player movement. The game can do the logic for the player movement instantly, you just use delta time to apply the results of the logic over a period)

>>188373598

Most popular engines use a combination of OOP and data-driven paradigms like ECS. Almost all of them try to keep traditional OOP staples to a minimum, as games share little in common with other types of applications where OOP is commonly used.


For example, Unity's ECS uses very little inheritance, but also combines systems and components into a hybrid E-C/S paradigm. Components control their internal state, and also implement logic that manipulates it. However, complex behavior is composed from many component-system MonoBehaviors, instead of complex inheritance hierarchies.

Unreal's ECS is very OOP inspired. Individual components must inherit from base classes (Actor, Pawn, etc.), but can also be extended with composition by adding sub-components.

Godot's ECS is a bit like Unity, combining component and system together, but also treats individual nodes in the scenegraph as component-systems. It doesn't have the same concept of "entity" as most ECS implementations (where an entity is a bag of components), because nodes can only have exactly one component-system at a time, and complex behavior is built by creating tree hierarchies of many component-systems.

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>>188376538
Here's an original thought: Why not program a game before you program a game engine?

>>188376587
I'm sorry for assuming GM was even slightly competently programmed.

>>188376558
there are no ints in GM, all are floats and are called 'reals'

>>188376538
i'm going to have to agree with the frogposter, you are retarded

>>188376718
i told you ask gmdevs why they decided to

>>188375846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jw14EvnCQ

>>188375664
Well, the sign does say "Tall grass is safe" and you are basically forced to go through it in front of a wolf.
You are pretty much invisible, unless the wolf gets really really close.

What I always wonder about ECS is how they create a specific kind of Entity. Do they create a subclass of Entity where the only code in it is a constructor that adds the necessary components to itself? Do they just have a create function in global scope? Do they use some kind of Factory object? I can see why ECS is useful when you're throwing something together using Unity's gui, but I think you lose a lot of compile time safety.

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Whirlwind ability, better HUD, better colors, crab enemies are DONE and going to work on the fireball spell next.

I'm having a weird problem with hitboxes though, not sure why either. The regular attack hitbox is perfect but Whirlwind's is pretty odd and buggy.

>>188376923
>early access
m8 why

>>188376487
this

do something like letting them bounce off certain enemies

>>188376487
Actually, the shown enemy is the only enemy in the game with attack frames (the charging attack) instead of always damaging. I don't get your point though. I design the game so player can completely break it if he is able to. Having movement, attack and way to sequence break in one is just perfect.
That example of puzzle is kinda obvious, I just want it integrated into system instead of level design. Moment like "I don't know what the fuck I just did, but it was awesome" (and I have a lot of those even as the developer) is what I'm aiming for.

>>188376974
>Do they just have a create function in global scope?
Usually this.

I prefer to do it less dynamically and have a different type (struct) for every combination of components into an entity. It allows me to be more flexible, too, like an entity could have a list of a particular type of component or an option type for an optional component. The systems are their own functions and only take components. Then it's just a matter of getting the components from the entity to call the systems on.

>>188377393
>sell an unfinished, buggy game
>become a wagie and keep working on it
I choose neither

>>188378113
do you really think you'll make enough?

>>188378113
You become a wagie for a year or two WHILE working on it and then give your two weeks and live on the wagebux lad.

>>188378193
>do you really think you'll make enough?
30k would be enough, but even 5k might be unrealistic. But having a shipped game would be enough to get on someone elses dev team. OR, the game is set up so its easy to add content, so maybe one of these a year would be a living. I hope Steam opens up paid mods to anyone so I can get a cut of User Generated Content people sell :^)

>>188378278
I tried to work and dev, its too hard.

>>188376664
>>188375974
>>188375703
>>188375658
Thanks everyone.

Still not entirely sure, but to me that sounds like almost anything that counts things over time.

So stuff like AI chase_timer, AI rest_time, finite state machine timers, reload timer, spell cooldowns, projectile movement and air time, anything that counts over time, etc?

>>188378748
>I hope Steam opens up paid mods to anyone so I can get a cut of User Generated Content people sell :^)
is this a false-flag or something?

>>188378778
If you make one thing delta-timed then you will have to make everything delta-timed unless you like things running at different speeds depending on the framerate.

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>>188378748
>hope Steam opens up paid mods to anyone so I can get a cut of User Generated Content people sell :^)
...Insane poster....?

>>188377015
It might be worth using CCD or dropping hurtboxes for raycasts

>>188378984
>lock game to 60 fps
>since game is pixel platformer with female protagonist it doesnt slow down too much
>nobody notices that half the things are delta-timed while others are not

>>188378984
Which to me sounds a bit tedious, to have to multiple practically every single value that counts over time. But I guess if I want slow motion that's the only way to go.

>>188379004
>>188378860
>not wanting to make easy money

>>188373450
That sounds more like data-oriented than object-oriented.

>>188379242
If it's locked then why are you even using delta time? Half-assing shit is literally worse than not using delta time at all since your game will completely break if it runs at a different framerate instead of just running slower.

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>>188378860
>>188379004

>>188379372
i fix it with one line
>delta_time = clamp(delta_time, 1, 1);

>>188379301
Not at all.

>>188378778
Going off what I said here
>>188376664
Timers are already logic applied over a time frame, so delta is unnecessary.

reminder that your 60 fps game in a 144hz monitor looks as bad as a 30 fps game in a 60hz monitor

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>>188376974
You are getting things backwards. The entity is your traditional OOP class. An entity might be a PlayerCharacter, NPC, Landscape, PhysicsActor. They are children of engine's base class: I.E. actor->character->playerCharacter in Unreal or GameObject->playerCharacter in Unity.

Components are "code blocks" that can be added any class. For example, you make a HealthComponent with internal variables currentHealth and maxHealth. Then create:
>A function to deal damage or heal.
>A function to drain x health over y seconds
>A function to set the health regen rate
>A function to increase the max health (level up)
>A healthChanged event that fires when currentHealth changes
>A maxHealthChanged event that fires when maxHealth changes
>A onDeath event that fires currentHealth = 0

So you add this component easily to any entity, and use the events to drive changes to the entity. For example, a playerCharacter that receives healthChanged should update its healthbar. onDeath should transition into ragdoll. You could also add the health component to a wall and set onDeath to trigger a mesh explosion.

It also makes object communication easier. If you have a bullet class and you need to write an "onCollide(collidingActor)" function, you just call collidingActor.getHealthComponent.DealDamage(amount);

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>use ue4 4.17.1
>there's always a 5% chance the next click will crash the editor
>there's always a seemingly rather high chance that whatever you delete from the content browser will keep reappearing no matter how many times you save and reload the project, requiring manual intervention on the filesystem
>corrupted projects sometimes
>crash reporter itself even crashes occasionally
How does anyone get anything done with this professional quality engine?

>>188379957
Any non-brainlet strips the shit out and only uses the good.

>>188379957
The only issue I'm running into is running out of video memory and the engine suddently exiting without any warning. But that's because I'm on a laptop that soon won't take long before it dies on me, not because of the engine.
I must be the luckiest UE4 user.

>>188379957
Upgrade your computer poorfag.

>>188379301
Nah, that's enterprise Java OO. Here's a real world example:
https://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/2.5.x/javadoc-api/org/springframework/aop/framework/AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean.html

>AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean

>>188379775
I know all this, but where are the entities constructed? Which bit of the code calls myEntity.AddComponent(myComponent)?

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Here are the WIP game menus. The demonic blood tentacles are harmless, but only if you whisper sweet nothings to it.

The "under the hood" functionality is done, stuff like stat upgrades and inventory, now I just need to connect the game manager code to the world events so you can pick up items and things like that. A lot of the tabs need more work and polish, especially the Lore tab. I want to expand on it, yet I don't want to bore the player with too much. I'm thinking of splitting the Lore window into sub-categories like: Locations, Creatures, Legends and NPCs.

Do you guys enjoy "encyclopedia/bestiary" sub-menus in games?

>>188379957
I'm on UE4 4.16. No problems here.

>>188380330
It doesn't work that way. The components would either be passed into or themselves constructed by the entity's constructor.

>>188380189
>Convenient proxy factory bean superclass for proxy factory beans that create only singletons.
>Convenient

I think it should be a rule that if you have to describe your code as "convenient" in a comment in case people don't notice by actually using it then you should probably rewrite it.

>>188380403
So if I have a PlayerCharacter entity, how does it add the components that it needs? Does it derive from Entity then have a constructor that constructs all the components that it needs or does it have a factory that does it? I know C# has no global scope functions. Can you give me an example of how you compose an entity in code?

>>188380330
In Unreal and unreal, you click "addComponent" on the add component button. You can also do it programatically in the construction script.

>>188380092
What are you on about? This is crashing sometimes doing the simplest little thing. My last crash was when I deleted a variable from a blueprint which was still referenced in the event graph. That's not the correct behaviour.

>>188380386
4.16 was the same.

>>188380330
Don't expect enginebabbys to know any of this. They just click the add component button in their gui and think it happens by magic.

>>188380613
[code]
class Prop {
private Transform transform;
private Model model;

Prop(Transform transform, string asset) {
this.transform = transform;
this.model = Assets.LoadModel(asset);
}
}
[/code]

>>188380805
Fuck, forgot there were no code tags outside of /g/.

Note that this is not how Unity does it. I dunno about UE4. But this is probably the best way.

>>188380189
Java itself has a beautiful class called BeanContextServiceProviderBeanInfo in the java.beans package. Glad they took the time to add that functionality to the standard library.

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>tfw can't stop fapping to mechs.

>>188380678
in Unreal and Unity*
>>188380613
>So if I have a PlayerCharacter entity, how does it add the components that it needs?
What engine?

If you're writing your own engine, you must have a Base class from which all game classes derive and a Component class. The Base class has a List of Components. The Base class loops through all Components on construction and calls their constructor scripts.The Base class loops through all Components on update and calls their update scripts.

>>188381050
Must is a strong word, anon.

>>188380330
an entity is just a container for components, it can literally be a table of components that just iterates over them to update them

>>188381050
>yet another shit jam is made
>absolutely abhorrent posts like quote related appearing all the time
>but now for 3 months!!

>>188379957
I have that version running most of the day without a single problem.

>>188381050
are you even planning on making a game or are you just going to do these unrelated posts for the entire duration of the jam
posts like this are why people hate on jams nowadays

>>188381685
Then there must be no problem.

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My Thinkpad X200 has at least 5x better specs than my GameCube in every conceivable metric. Does that mean I could make a game that's 5x as performant as a GameCube game that will run on my X200?

>>188380371
extremely spooky for an inventory.

>>188379674
So anything that times when things should happen, like cooldowns, buff durations and enemy attacks are fine like they are?

fireball cd = 120
cd timer -1 every step

fps 60
2 sec = -120 to timer
so timer=0

fps 30
2 sec = -60 to timer
so timer=60

So wait...isn't the point that no matter the fps, same things happen in the same time? I'm confused again. Fuck me I feel like an idiot.

>>188379957
the engine was like that since the beginning anon,if you cant deal with just change the engine or complain on their forum(not like is gonna change anything kek)

>>188381287
>>188381602
>>188381775
Wow. Guys, sorry. I was just looking up designs. Of course I'm planning on submitting a game.

Sorry I bothered you. Let's discuss mecha design. Which kind of mechs do you like the most? I feel like I have a weird taste, as I like them to look pretty crude. Remember the APUs from the Matrix? Something like that, but with a closed cabin.

>>188382072
just multiply everything by delta time and think in seconds instead of frames, completely forget frames exist

>>188382072
he's probably just talking about what he calls 'timers'. if you need real time in gamemaker, you do it yourself everywhere.

>>188379674
"Timers" in GM are frame-based.
Yeah it's that shit.

>>188382072
Shit I thought you were doing a Godot-like timer thing (which are already tied to seconds)

If your timers are like that, then they are tied to your framerate, so you would definitely have to use delta time. That feels like a shitty way to do things compared to timers that just cause interrupts but oh well. Sorry for the confusion.

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>>188376538
>Don't bother responding.
doen't eber talk to me or muh gaem engine eber again!

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effects

>>188382262>>188382072
though you can actually do shit like
//once
fireballcdstart= get_timer()

//every frame
var time = get_timer();
if fireballcdstart + fireballcd <= time {
//fireball is off cd
}

then it's basically in real time

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>>188382018
Thanks anon, then I guess I'm on the right track, I'm going full spooky with a pinch of cute monster girls

>>188383023
oy vey

>>188383023
i would've thought of jews before freezing if it wasn't for the filename

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>>188383023

Imported fbx mesh into UE4. Applied materials, all fine. But at some point (when I did "Build") the imported fbx got BLACKED. Very dark. What am I doing wrong?

I'm thinking I might have imported the camera and light from Blender as well and that fucked it up... but it was looking fine before? What is it?

>>188375964
Pretty cool, nice work anon

>>188383350
>>188383596
>>188383708
>hexagons are jewish now

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>>188385059
stop pretending

Still waiting for suggestions on a better crew combat system in FTL clone

>>188385221
Ability to direct the crew to attack systems rather than crew (making them more vulnerable but obv doing damage to systems faster)
or to be defensive where they only take damage but don't give any, tanking so enemy crew are tied up while your DPS do more important things

just add in basic MMORPG classes

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Traditional animation is hard.

>>188385221
make player play rhythm game and launch crew attacks on each successful button press

>Shitpost
>Get 3 replies immediately.
>Ask opinions about mech design
>0

Mmmmh...?

>>188382714
I'm using GML and am a beginner, so I'm not sure if there is better way of doing timers. But thank you for your help.

>>188383089
That is interesting.
So I would still need to convert get_timer to seconds, and fireballcd would be in seconds, as in fireballcd=4 would mean a 4 second cooldown, correct?

While with normal delta time way, I would do fireballcd = 2, and then I would do timer as fireballcd -= 1 * delta_time, right?

This will be hard to get used to, since all this time I've been using steps, so fireballcd would = 120 for 2 seconds. I could do cd = 120 and timer -= 60 * delta_time, but I guess that is silly.

Would you advise such a method over normal timer? Guess it doesn't matter with delta_time anyway.

>>188385765
that's because no-one is actually interested in the jam, just like many others (likely including you) are only interested in posting about how wonderful mech anime/art is

>>188385471
i meant the positioning, normally you only have one unit per cell but in combat you can have 2 units melee combating each other, should i double the room size and keep the one unit per cell rule? that means that boarding units can't access a room that is already full

>>188385765
Wheres your post?

>>188385603
do it danganronpa style, a mixe of comic and cutout animation

>>188385979
You'll have to show me your portfolio first.

>>188381237
>>188381287

>>188381050
>>188382226
These.
>>188385979

>>188385920
So I should shut up until the end of November and only then casually mention I kinda like mechs?

>>188386146
No. I don't like cutout animation.

>>188386271
>So I should shut up until the end of November and only then casually mention I kinda like mechs?
yes if you're going to just talk about fucking mecha design without a game going with it

>>188385765
>shitpost vs shitpost about a topic which people are "having a jam about" despite no games being posted
stop deluding yourself

>>188386385
>>188386478
Ok. See you in November.

>>188386271
Oh I'm sorry, I thought you actually wanted to discuss mecha.

>>188386585
good riddance
and don't even try to submit any game if by some weird twist of fate you have one and never post its progress

>>188373648

is this a carmageddon remake?

please tell me this is a carmageddon remake.

So I work on an adult game and I update pretty often, but I have these russian fags on sites like svs comics hosting old versions of the game on pay per download sites.

Thinking about putting an expiration into the game where it pulls the date and if its two months old it will just exit. I feel this is an extreme measure but I dont know what else to do.

>>188386650
I still do. Can we do that or should we move to a private IRC channel to avoid triggering anyone?

>>188386962
excellent idea, customers love timebombs

>>188387072
Oh they would never know.

>>188387165
customers love what is effectively always-online

>>188386962
>DRM

>>188386962
No, that's dumb. If you added that shit to something I paid for I would demand a refund.
Just put links in-game to your official pages for the game.

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Holy shit guys. I just accidentally added continuous wall jump, an advanced trick/bug from super metroid. I knew that improving wall jump would be worth it, but I didn't expect to gain so much shit from a simple change.

>>188385039
Thanks!

>>188386962
are you using unity? because anybody can edit that part and make it work regardless of anything you add

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Making a 6 is hard.

>>188387673
So whats the ETA on you finishing feature creep and actually making content?

>>188387548
If you paid for it somewhere else you could demand a refund and get fucked for all I care.

>>188387739
I wouldn't announce that its the cause. I'd probably hide them in a fashion after 2 months if you talk to this person, it crashes. 3 months instead of the blowjob scene it crashes.

I would have released 2 new versions by then for patreons anyway.

>>188386729
Bad day at work?

>>188387673
this is cool, but doesn't it mean you need to design your levels in a way to allow it?

>all these devs talking about their upcoming demos
will dd16 be the new dd9?

>>188388371
Imagine I'm a customer who bought the game from you. I play your game every once in a while. Suddenly after a few months it starts crashing regularly.
>Hey anondev the game started crashing in these few spots
>haha thanks for the report! Don't worry those were """fixed""" in the most recent builds
>But it was working perfectly fine for months, Mr.anondev. I don't have the bandwidth to download the game again

>>188388924
>tfw I will be getting a new PC in the next few days so I might record/stream playthroughs

>>188388113
When I figure out combat I will plan out what needs to be cut and what stays. Then comes phase with optimizing parameters like speed and jump heights.
Actual content comes last, as any gameplay changes at that stage will explode.

>>188388518
It's more of a situational speedrunning gimmick. Normally I should be designing levels not to allow it, but in this game I want player to abuse it.

>>188385059
>hexagon
>12 angles

memes aside, if you want to use the david star as a symbol for magic, make it so the animation starts with it and transform into a snowflake

>>188389135
I made a few recordings, and sometimes the dev never even watched it

>>188388974
"I'm sorry?"

Realistically the only reason they wouldn't be able to download a new version is if they weren't a patron anymore.

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Basic background, put in crouch mode visible in video (just need to slow it down and prevent shooting/jumping while in it)
Arrow gun is for making platforms to jump on, going to have other weapons, they're being worked on now.

>>188389341
Oh that's even better, I didn't think of that.
Players aren't allowed to stop giving you money. If they ever stop giving you money their game will just start crashing.

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>>188388924
>tfw no demo and gonna miss the group fanart

Why aren't you making your own language?

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I've started working on implementing XML serialization in order to define stats, save game/level/character data, and instantiate prefabs at run time. It's going really well so far, but at some point I'm probably going to need to create a lot of objects. Anyone know of a good free XML editor that might help with that? I'd rather not copy/paste a bunch of spell effects and then edit them by hand for example. I did try articy:draft but found it to be too complex for what I'm doing.

>>188389981
>XML

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>>188389570
>post demo
>not in group pic anyway
Reminded to artfriends, there is nothing official about demoday, you can do a group pic if you want, in fact more often than not theres not one, contribute if you want to

same goes for general demoday content, for example dd16 has no banner or theme

>>188389865
Because i need shekels to live worry-free and can't do that yet.
I'd love to though, we really need a proper systems functional language.

>>188389570
Missing a group fanart because you didn't post a demo is less embarassing than missing a group fanart because you went unnoticed.

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>>188390219
>we really need a proper systems functional language
That's what I'm doing.

>>188390343
good lad, have anything to share?

>>188389506
>>188389341

Theres a word for that. "Planned Obselence" companies like Apple literally design products to need to be replaced.
I haven't heard about it being used in game dev. Kike.

>>188386962
This has to be the most retarded idea in the history of this general.
/agdg/ never fails to stop not amazing me

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>>188390315

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>>188391597
You're my favorite dagger.

>>188386962
>all the downsides of always-online
>yet still trivial to crack
genious

>>188391754
this color scheme is really good

>>188391754
i will never understand this game... it looks cute but it's just move away until you can move in to advance

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>spend several hours trying to fix an AI enemy in Unreal Engine
>after going through everything in detail finally notice that I forgot to connect the AI controller to the pawn

I really shouldn't code when I'm tired.

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>>188387673
Awesome. The movement looks great.
Meanwhile, I had to actively add the infinite backdashing. So far there hasn't been an instant where a bug has become a feature for me.

>DD 16
>ive only missed one demoday since last time
>gonna miss this one too

hm

>>188391754
well your game is best

Do you devs know what coupling is, I look it up but I'm confused

Are there any online card games with trading? Obviously it'd be bad form to have trading if you can get packs for free, because then people would just make mule accounts to farm those packs and devalue the economy. But what if you could only trade cards from packs you bought? That seems fair, and way less likely to be exploited. I can only imagine plebs yelling "P2W" as a negative

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fugg, I'll miss DD

>>188392348
One time I spent a full day trying to balance enemy stats. Some felt too strong, some felt too weak. Tried having less enemies, tried having more.
The next day I realized I wasn't actually setting the stats correctly, every single enemy had the same stats as the base enemy and didn't change at all throughout all my attempts at balancing.

>>188392621
One system has a wire connected to another system in order to work.
De-coupling means everything is independent and there are no imaginary wires tangling up your code.

how many (standing) people you can fit in 1 meter square?

>>188392943
by system do you mean classes? Can you give an example?

>>188392386
>I had to actively add the infinite backdashing.
how? you only need to not check if the player is already backdashing and it would do it infinitely whenever the button is pressed again

>>188393067
3-10, depending on build and density.

>>188393280
Except that in SotN for example, there is a period where you can't backdash again until Alucard is passed a few frames in his animation.
Also, I'm not a programmer, so I probably fucked up somewhere.

>>188393067
Comfortably? 2-3. If you get to know people, 9 ish? I'm scared to ask why. You could probably squeeze up to 20 tho.

>>188392386
Noice. I think I will add some way to run faster similar to this, because I catch myself being impatient with building up speed. I was thinking about rhytmical inputs while running inspired by arm pumping and strafe jump.

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>>188390315
What about being in fanart but not posting a demo?

>>188393187
classes are the most common issue, yes. But it can be anything really.

I guess the most basic example would be something like you have a class called Numbers that is just "int x,y".

And then you have another class called "Operations" which have your four basic + - / * functions for two ints.

Instead of any ints you have Operations directly take Numbers.x & Numbers.y.

Operations can't do its job unless Numbers exists, creating coupling.

>>188392680
one idea I have, though its probably really flawed, but what if every account could only have one trading partner that they designate and can never change.

So when you create a new account, if you want to trade any cards you would select another player and that player would be the only player you can ever trade with during the entire lifetime of that account.

Of it doesn't really solve the mule account thing but it would slow it down

>>188393684
by exist do you mean Numbers has to be instantiated or just exist as a class period?

So like if I created a class that just held a list of enums, which other scripts referenced, would that be coupling?

>>188394664
>or just exist as a class period?
that, because Ops depends on a type of Numbers.x, not just an int.
> a class that just held a list of enums, which other scripts referenced, would that be coupling?
Thats essentially a glorified singleton, yes.
Split those enums and their respective scripts into their own things. Avoid globals.

>>188390454
I have a good general idea of what I want, but nothing concrete yet. Polymorphism will be accomplished with traits like in Rust. Your standard function type is actually a trait to handle unboxed closures. There will be lambdas, obviously, but also the ability to implement other traits anonymously with closure (useful for pattern matching, which won't be a language feature). Dependent types make an appearance, but there's no dependent type checking, it's just for dynamically sized data types. The language will be unsafe - types are really just for memory layout and to support polymorphism.

Has anyone posted progress for the robojam?

>>188395062
>Polymorphism will be accomplished with traits like in Rust.
>Dependent types make an appearance, but there's no dependent type checking,
Well i will not be using this language any time soon.
You don't even need traits when you have dependent types

>>188389439
this is the next risk of rain?

>>188394959
What if I have a global enum class for wall types; blocks players, blocks projectiles, blocks enemies, blocks all, block none, etc.

I create a class to allow players to build their own maps with a grid array that is of the wall types enum

Then in a different class the level generator builds an array grid out of the wall types enum type.

then in gameplay all the characters, players, projectiles and enemies check this grid array of wall types enums for collisions.

I guess I'm a little confused as to how I would not use globals for this instance where a lot of systems use this one enum.

so how do you actually use animation blueprints or bare animations (not wrapped in montages) from c++? all i get when i google it is "it's better to do it in blueprints", but i find blueprints to be an obstacle

>>188395516
The only thing dependent about the types is that you can have a field of a structure that is an untyped buffer of a certain size and alignment, both of which may be dependent on a value. The value doesn't have to be constant, but there's no way of proving that x = y to convert F(x) to F(y) in the language, for example. You have to reinterpret the bytes and risk unexpected behaviour if x != y.

In the future I would like to try to create a systems language that includes theorem proving that isn't ATS, but not now.

>>188396092
>I guess I'm a little confused as to how I would not use globals for this instance
Its just common sense lad, where should X functionality be, or everything in my game should be able to solve its own problems. And attributes are your friend in this case. Your walls have their own attributes with Can_block_THING.
Your projectiles have Can_pierce_THING.
And so on.

>>188396346
I don't know, because that'd be a silly thing to do.

>>188395673
The next Risk Of Rain is probably Risk Of Rain 2

>>188395516
>>188396397
Also, you don't need traits at all, nor do I see how dependent types can be used to implement traits more so than non-dependent types.

>>188395673
haha I see you are a vetaran of agdg memes.
Risk of rain 2 is 3d btw, look at hopoos blog.

>>188396397
Why the emphasis on non-safety?
Youre essentially just creating a more fancy C.

>>188396585
What's dd and dd

>>188396346
stop being retarded

>tfw have the skills and talent to develop any kind of game, but too autistic to come up with an idea that isn't a blatant copy of something that already exists
I'm going to be a poor wageslave for the rest of my life, aren't I?

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>>188396759
>veteran
I'm not. To be veteran here u need to post progress.

>>188396558
explain why

>>188396776
>Why the emphasis on non-safety?
Because it's a hard problem to integrate theorem proving with programming and have it nice to use. ATS is a prime example of how disgusting it ends up being with our current techniques.

>Youre essentially just creating a more fancy C.
Exactly. And less fancy in some cases. But having modules, generics, traits, etc. instead of relying on the preprocessor is a massive and non-intrusive step up over C (its macros will also be much better). I'm also removing restrict and volatile in favour of simply making the programmer use temporaries to cut down on memory accesses.

>>188396535
but in this case Walls and Projectile still have to talk to each other and compare Can_block_THING with Can_pierce_THING correct? Is that not coupling?

>>188397271
so at least 4 years lurking agdg and no progress.
Why? the banter?

Is everyone missing this demoday?
I ran into some issues with my code so I might miss it too

>>188397292
Because then you're in the animation editor with all of its functionality and can see all the changes much faster.
I don't know if there is a C++ equivalent of the special animation flows which go into the animation/blend nodes but I'd guess they're not as smooth/non existent.
You can still add some C++ nodes if you want in the logic half of the blueprint itself

>>188397469
Interaction isnt coupling, so no.
Your walls can still function and do their jobs if there are no projectiles or people. Coupling would be creating a collision manager to manage these.

>>188397851
i only want to use the animation blueprint from c++, not replicate its behavior

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>>188397503
Some of u inspires me

>tfw i was staring at the solution the whole time
i'm back, i need to undo all that hacky shit i made, but i'm back baby

>>188397234
>Waaah I'm so smart just lazy waaaaah
Quit being a faggot and make a game already. Everyone makes clones at first, you're not fucking special.
>>188396935
Demo day

>>188398016
Use it how?

>>188398153
I'm not lazy, it's exactly the opposite. I enjoy doing all the hard work that goes into making something, but I have literally no capacity for imagination, so I'm only capable of recreating things that have been already done.

>>188398242
set its parameters and let it take over the animation of the skeleton

>>188398310
>recreating things that have been already done
So do that
games arent copyrightable

>>188398502
What's the point? No one is going to buy a game that's like something they've already played and isn't original in any way.

>>188398630
Ubisoft are still in business

hahaha i fixed all memory leaks you suckers

>>188398630
>No one is going to buy a game that's like something they've already played and isn't original in any way.
r u kidding me
look at any AAA shooter or "action adventure" game
or sports game, racing game, even most space 4x games are basically the same

>>188398684
AAA games can get away with it due to huge marketing budgets. When it's an indie game, the only way it's ever going to succeed is if it's something original.

>>188398630
>Cities: Skylines
>Stardew Valley

Just find a niche genre with a salty fanbase that hasn't had a good game in a few years

>>188258271
>Vulkan
Because Vulkan does not work on my machine. CPU Vulkan implementation when?

>>188398803
>even most space 4x games are basically the same
nani

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>>188372153
>Spend a week working on something
>Few days later think it looks like shit and scrap it

>>188372153
I wonder how this will turn out
https://sandbox.facepunch.com/

>We're hoping that what we're making is engine agnostic. Our goal was to build this on top of Source 2, but that seems unlikely now - as it's doubtful that would have any actual benefit over what we're currently doing.

>>188398892
this, 'xtreme' sports are a prime place to look.

Skateboarding, BMX, arcade snowboarding, jet skis, all dead genres that people enjoyed.

>>188398892
Except both of those are a huge improvement over what they were copying with tons of new mechanics and things to do. That takes a lot of creative thinking, which I don't have.

How many attacks should a boss usually have?

>>188398986
That's still a good thing. You are improving and realizing mistakes. That's a fuckton better than being self-content.

>>188399264
How many breads have you eaten in your life?

>>188399264
minimum of 2, probably 3 or 4 is enough

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>>188398986

>>188398937
Stellaris and Galactic Civilizations aren't unique or innovative

>>188399897
>stellaris isnt unique
ye m8 fuck off, give me some other games like it then.

>>188398986
>practice for a week
good for you

>>188400012
Galactic civilzations

Hello I have a question about Unity's design paradigm. While coding things that make up my game, my instinct tells me to create classes for them and have their gameobject counterpart as a variable but everything I saw does the opposite. People create empty game objects, attach scripts then create and instance using prefabs. Is there a right way to do this in Unity. Is my OOP approach gonna be a problem developing for Unity? I

I understand the concept of ECS. My main problem is not ECS vs OOP. It's wheter to
1) use prefabs and use the finicky gui to create all the different bit's and bops the game needs
2)Use prefabs and instance them in code
3)Just instance everything at code and use gameobjects as variables.

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I made a cool login screen today and added loads of tools to the world editor for an mmo I'm making.

>>188400228
Is there as much micro managing and custom race empires? seems more combat focused.

>An entire year of hardly any progress due to other people

Fuck it i'm kickstarting

Anyone have experience with adding steam workshop support to a game? Are there any things in particular to watch out for?

>>188401282
I imagine it can vary based on engine and exactly what you're uploading, but I did it in UE4 and it's pretty straight forward once you figure out the whole send/receive thing.

>>188400813
>due to other people

story?

>>188401883
Good to hear
All I'll be doing is sending user-made levels which will be xml or some other kind of text file. I figured it would be simple but I thought it better to ask early in case there's some retarded gotcha

>>188397821
I am but that is because the game is nowhere near what I want to present again to the public. Aiming for DD17 or bust!

>>188402254
There are quite a few deprecated functions which lead to other deprecated functions, just make sure you start from the right ones.

>>188397821
i will probably miss the next one too

>>188397852
so if I put the wall type enum inside the wall class, then that would be okay?

>>188400484
Good on you for not getting mixed up in that stupid debate.

I found it's really a mix. For instance take enemies and loot in a beat'em up. The static enemies you'd encounter every time and static loot would be set in the level editor with (1), random enemies/loot would use (2), and (3) for respawns (or more random enemies/loot). Ultimately you can do it however you want, I've seen crazy people do everything with (3) and a fair share of games using mostly (1).

>>188398630
Quit it with the excuses chump. Make at least 1 "exact clone" game and come back before you waste more of our time with your /nodev/ nonsense. If you really are convinced you're some sort of uncreative coding savant, make a minecraft clone that isn't buttshit spaghetti code in java or has better API in C#. I guarantee you'll get paid for that shit

>>188403030
of course, then your wall class now has a .type material to extend functionality with. As for collisions, you shouldnt handle anything unless it happens.
A wall blocking something.
A projectile exploding/breaking/whatever because it cant pierce said type of wall.

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Does anyone know how to apply changes to a Unity prefab through script (C#)? I have a soldier unit prefab but I want them to be customizable. I'm trying to find a way to update the prefab as I'm customizing.

did old Xcom games allow diagonal movement or just used the old school grid?

>>188397234
originality is a meme, everything is imitation
t. Aristotle

>>188403254
so would level generation be handled in my wall class or would it be in a different class that would then need to access the enum from wall class, the same also goes for player level editor?

>>188403315
you would have to build an editor script

>>188397234
>tfw to intelligent to figure out that i should copy multiple ideas at once to make it look original

>>188404396
Would that work in an actual build or only in the editor?

>>188404106
Well your levels wouldnt just be walls, so in this case I would make generation its own thing with everything an optional parameter so you can pick an choose what to feed in to it. And there would be no need to have to make arbitrary "dummy" objects for certain things such as blank levels or something.

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pls rate.

>>188404396
Never mind I realized I could just make an instance and just copy it when I need to

>>188404859
It doesn't even look anything like the sketch / 10

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Will modding RimWorld teach me how to write C#?

>>188404859
you know how some 3d models bend in on themselves and become flat at the elbows/knees when animated?
your model is going to do that.

>>188398468
Unreal's skeletal animation system is basically a state machine. It's 10x easier to write state machine logic visually than programatically. You can use c++ to drive variable changes that the state machine reads off of, but ultimately all of the heavy lifting is going to be done in the state machine.

>>188405178
planing on using the 3D model as reference to do HD pixel art.

>>188405319
that's what i mean; i still can't see any way to let the state machine take over without doing it in a blueprint

>>188404564
all editor scripts dont get compiled so no it wont work in build

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Haven't posted progress in a bit. Partly because I haven't had anything interesting to post, and partly because I'm on vacation. Unfortunately I'm on vacation in Puerto Rico, which is gonna get hit by hurricane Irma tomorrow, so I'm posting progress since there's not necessarily a zero percent chance I'll be killed by Irma. I've been hashing out my inventory system, and while it's not finished yet, I've been getting stuff working. I can move tools into the tetris grid, and try to fit them in. If the item is a one by one square, the X button auto transfers them onto the grid. None of the TOOLS are going to be anything other than one by one squares, so this is just showing how it shall work. I'm not quite used to data manipulation like this, so it's been both fun and frustrating getting to this point. Only test tool 0 and 1 do anything at the moment, which just shows the message.

>>188405736
We'll remember your heroic devving before death, anon.

>>188397234
It's these dumb people who think artists work without any kind of reference material.

>want to write code
>don't want to make art
Life is hell.

>>188406086
use code to make art
problem solved

>>188405736
Yeah, it's a bad idea to vacation in hurricane valley during hurricane season. I'm in Florida, praying it turns at least a little bit and we don't get a full hit. Good luck anon. I'll always remember your game.

>>188406147
I literally lol

>>188405736
>Unfortunately I'm on vacation in Puerto Rico
Fucking RIP in peace anon

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she looks more anime and less cartoon than i intended, but i think it's a solid base that i could easily make changes on to fit what i want better.
its much better than the ayylmao face i had before

>>188406348
she has no chin,her face is too far down/head too big and her ears are too big. Also it may be the angle but she looks like she has an underbite as well.

>>188404739
so level generator would implement walls, doors, decorations, etc, but not need them to exist to do its job, otherwise level generator would have tight coupling? Just making sure I understand this properly

Due to cosmic ray interference there is a chance your game will code itself with no required human action.

>>188399261
then make a game that consists of all the genres outhere.

>>188407575
this is the kind of thinking a dev has when first starting their random procedural level generation.

>>188407415
Pretty much. If nothing is mandatory then theres no coupling.
But honestly, don't feel like its absolutely necessary to go out of your way to avoid it. Because sometimes coupling just happens naturally in an OOP game. It's just up to you to design it so it can easily be refactored and managed, as well as not causing problems to anything else.

tldr: Use your best judgment and dont be a baka

>>188400687
yes.
Stellaris is more narrative driven and has some grand strategy elements. GalCiv is much more combat/diplomacy focused.

>>188407757
On that note, I've had a total bitch of a time finding good algorithms for that.

They tend to look like ass unless you hand code the sections first, which seems like the best middle ground to me.

>>188407824
Right, but I am already seeing how this sort of thinking will help some problems I am currently having. You have bee a great help, thank you.

>>188405156
No, but it might help you practice it.

Who /construct 2/ here?

>>188408061
No problem lad.
If you want to go even farther with it, look into functional programming and start getting in the habit of only using pure functions and return new variables instead of mutating any.
But that also depends on what language youre using.

>>188407894
procedural level generation is only good when level design doesn't matter.

In minecraft you essential just play with legos, so the level can be whatever its just a big sand box.

>>188405413
I don't think you quite understand.

First there's the skeletal component. You don't override or inherit this class. There two important variables - a skeletal mesh and a state machine.
The state machine (anim graph) is what the skeletal component reads off of to decide what transformations to do. The state machine doesn't "take over" the skeleton, it's simply providing a current state.
Then there's the variables that the state machine reads off of to determine when to transition. You can drive these variables through c++, but there is usually only a few that you need so most do it through blueprints.


If you are asking me if you ~can~ programatically create a state machine in Unreal - I don't know. But if you asked me if you would ever ~want~ to programatically create a state machine - I could definitely give you an answer: fuck no

>>188407575
We could apply the basic logic of a quantum bogo sort to game development. We decide on a file size of 'n' bits for our game, divide each permutation of the game among 2^n universes, and destroy each universe where the game doesn't meet our incredibly high standards. The only universes that still exist are the ones where we made amazing games.

We'd only need to destroy 2^2048 universes to have a stable version of Pong.

>>188408742
if I can destroy universes, I could probably just get a gf and wouldn't need to make a game

>>188409213
>he's making a game to get a gf
even worse than making a game to start making a living from making games

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HOW IN THE FUCK did I break the whole game in like 3 days? Also you can parry projectiles and melee attacks with wall jump now.
Sorry for the webm spam, I'm off to sleep.

>>188408704
so basically the only way to associate a state machine with a skeleton is to do it by dropdown in the details panel of a skeletal mesh component that is already present in the component tree in-editor? well this isn't flexible

How important is it to have your character's movement tied to a FSM?

>>188409452
> the only way to associate a state machine with a skeleton is to do it by dropdown in the details panel of a skeletal mesh component
No. there's https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/BlueprintAPI/Components/SkeletalMesh/SetAnimInstanceClass/index.html in blueprints and C++. Read the docs.

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this is retro right
this is what the kids are into

>>188409213
>not genociding countless parallel universes to make the greatest AI waifu

>>188409575
Helps a lot if you want to add more states or alter existing ones. Otherwise your variables and edge cases might spiral out of control.

>>188409694
no
yes

>>188409575
Depends on how complicated the movement is. But even a movement blendspace <> jumping animation <> idle animation which is in many games can benefit from a state machine.

>>188409694
what the fuck is that

>>188409694
no
kids might mistake this for a meme and find it funny so it has marketability in that regard

>>188409282
I am doing both of those actually

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>>188410026
my newest invention
highlow poly
it looks low poly for the nostalgia crowd
while also boosting a high poly count so that people who obsess over grafix can whore out
it is genuis
>>188410207
imma be a millionaire ill make sure to put you all in my will

>>188410395
try making it colorful

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>>188410992

>>188373648

Nice Delorean

>>188410395
>200k tris

>>188391754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CczmMDvQDa0

>>188389439

nice aesthetic. reminds me of space quest 3

Will your game have merchandise?
https://youtu.be/vfIm75DGlEU

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I need some serious feedback because this roadblock isn't budging the slightest, FTL crew combat almost broke me, it's shitty and boring but it worked for the most part, yet here i am trying to do something totally different, now it's either:
A - Forget about crew fighting and boarding, but you still manage your crew as usual (repair and whatnot)
B - Double the size of the room, so instead of 4 units per room it can hold 16, the combat will be totally different, an enemy unit can never traverse occupied tiles (unless one of the same team is occupying it) a boarding squad would need to clear units holding the door of a room before actually entering it, you would click individual cells to send a unit to it instead of the whole room, it adds strategy and placements, you can set up an ambush at the corner of the room and wait for enemies to enter and get the first hit, systems will take tiles, you can add more stuff to the interior of the ship (since it would feel empty and shit having few units on a fucking 4x4 room), you can have far more units (32 average) and they can have a deeper role system instead of just fight, repair and mane a system.
Obviously the first choice is the easiest, the second choice add too much gameplay it would change the game entirely, i had no performance issues (surprisingly) and ships can range from small ones to decent size with different room sizes with >100 units total.
I'm still looking for a better combat system, i'm leaning towards a combat like roguelike (units have line of sight and can shoot diagonally), but i feel it'll be overkill when the main focus should be space battles and door managing.
i fucked dd16 i'm sorry ;-;

>>188413418
PVC figures would be nice

>he doesn't use stitch fiddle when designing graphics
baka desu senpai

>>188411198
post a turnaround gif for 10000 notes of tumblr

>>188413857
unironically true

>>188389981
i didn't read your post but that pic gave me a boner

>>188399342
NANI?!

>>188404859
flip normals anon

>>188392723

again ? why ?

>>188398630

This kind of reasoning is why most sequels are so disappointing. Developers always feel the need to come up with something original. Most fans just wanted more of the same.

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>>188413472

>>188407894
I'm going to do you a solid and let you know about generative grammars
read http://www.jorisdormans.nl/articles.php first
then https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/author/LukeMcMillan/899671/ for more relative information.
And probably Dan Cook's stuff too since McMillan references him all the time, but I haven't had time to check it out yet

>>188403315

why not just save the changes you make in a JSON and then apply the changes to the same prefab every time the user loads his game ?
You know, the way everybody does it

>>188404859

why are you copying copyrighted material ?

>>188413857
legit gonna do this

>>188415816
popeye is in public domain in europe.

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>since April the date on my save games has been wrong by one month and I only noticed today
I saw it every day

>>188416189

still you won't be able to sell your game on steam