/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

Try to not let the thread die this time.

why bother, dead genre.

>>188067750
Why give you the satisfaction of dancing over the ashes of a few hundreds Anon who like strategy?

>tfw with our windows shut we couldn't hear the page 10 coming

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It's okay, I have plenty more spiders to post!

Until I finally get a copy of that old Ant strategy games, or until Empires of the Undergrowth comes out.

>xcom 2 expansion comes out
>I start playing that
>the 4x thread starts 404ing at the times when I'd normally be posting in it
I'm sorry but I've found a new love. Will you at least take me back when I tire of playing XCOM star trek the next generation edition?

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Enough of the spiders, have some ants!

>>188067732
Why did it even die?
It had been less than an hour since the last post.

>>188068784
Probably just unlucky and a load of threads hit their bump limit at about the same time and needed new ones.

>>188068784
Several Fire Emblem generals.

>>188069014
>>188069016
Pft.
It'll happen again next time /gsg/ throws a fit I guess.

>>188069207
I've legitimately seen a threadwar happen in /gsg/ over a block of white pixels being added to their OP image before now. Honestly surprised /gsg/ autism isn't a daily occurrence for fucking the board up desu.

>>188069207
So we have two minutes.

>>188068720
What is this, anon?

>>188069341
They're still arguing over the infopic and whether or not "reminder to report and ignore shitposting" or whatever should be in the OP or not. All the while they shitpost their own threads, it's not rare to have two hundred deleted posts in a /gsg/ at this point.

>>188069409
Empires of the Undergrowth. It's on Steam (just as a page), and you can get a demo, but it's still beta so far.

>>188069341
Fuck /gsg/

>>188069462
Yep that's the /gsg/ I know and love. It's a special rare breed of autism in that thread and watching it regularly go nuclear and attack itself amuses me no end.

>>188069839
I'm nuclear!
I'm wild!

I'm breaking up, inside!

Also,
>/civ4xg/ has more players
;_;

They should probably add Distant Worlds while they're at it.

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>>188067902
>7 posters

>>188069839
What with /gsg/ and autism? You would think that with the Grand Strategy games being deep, the fanbase would be pretty smart.

>>188069016
Fuck weebs

>>188068784
Only spider threads are allowed to survive.

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>>188073330
No waaaaaay!

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That game was lick a fantasy Cossacks. A shame the studio died before they could finish it.


Also, page 9 in 13 minutes, at this rate, we'll die in 20 minutes. That's too quick!

>>188074913
It was probably never really in the works.

>>188075172
It was, and it did came out, but apparently, the devs only did a small part of what they had in mind.

At least the AI is over, so you can play, and it's a decent challenge, but it tastes bitter.

>>188074913
Soloing whole armies as a hero was fun, but random level up bonuses ruined the game for me. Especially in campaign.
>>188075172
The devs planned a trilogy.

>>188069341
There is. What usually happens is you get a Wehraboo going "rate my groB germanium" thinking they're the first to do it, only to get told "seen it before."

The Wehraboo either then goes okay and tries to spice it up, or goes on an autistic ree spree about "muh sjws" while calling /gsg/ leftist cucks and throws around shitty r/the_donald memes to spam the thread before it all gets deleted, at which point they start reeing about sjw mod cucks.

Guess which one is more common.

>>188075362
Honestly, I don't think I ever used the heroes. Back then, I just wanted a game with undead, and I saw that this one had werewolves as a playable unit, so I picked it.
I don't regret it, it's plenty fun, even if the AI is a bit brutal, even if it's poorly optimized, and even if it feels empty.

when's 1.8 for stellaris? Haven't played since 1.6, anything worth looking forward to?

>>188077241
Rumor is that it'll be in October.

Quite a lot to look forward to, such as machine empires (in a separate DLC but who's counting), a feudalism civic that makes it better to have vassals, democratic parties based on factions, and an authoritarian influence buff. There are also a variety of other tweaks that you could get in a mod, such as the ability to have closed borders as a default policy.

Most importantly, missiles are getting buffed so that they can track multiple targets, and should become viable.

Most most importantly, the core combat issues aren't being fixed at all, and the entire game will still revolve around getting an economy big enough to make a fleet big enough to wipe out the enemy in a single 1v1 doomstack encounter.

Why do you guys continue to play Stellaris with all the complaining you do about it?

>>188078206
Are you retarded?

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Hey /civ4xg/ would you be interested in taking part in the /vg/ League 9 friendlies?

For those who don't know, the /vg/ generals get together bi annually to play against each other in a heavily modified version of Pro Evolution Soccer with teams consisting of the varying memes and aspects of each general, which gets streamed on a smashcast channel for everyone to watch and meme on.

The /vg/ League 9 will be taking place around November/December, but friendlies have been announced to take place between September 16th and 24th.

https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_9_Friendlies

/civ4xg/ did take part in the last /vg/ league in June on autopilot with tactics made by an anon who has since gone on to become verified so that /civ4xg/ has a better chance. As such the team will need a bit of updating regarding the roster and music.

Team page: https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//civ4xg/

One of /civ4xg/'s matches from the last /vg/ League: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiNdAJr5cpc&t=11m03s

>>188078270
Do you come from a broken home?

>>188078391
We need to stay alive more often for that.

>>188078206
The only thing that actually matters in a 4X game is having good graphics. Stellaris looks good (compared to the competition), so it is popular.

>>188078206
It's good with mods.

I suggest we burn the spider as an offering to the dark god, Molyneux.

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Mmmm science

>>188078728
>implying he'll give us what he promised

>>188078391
>https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//civ4xg/
Why the fuck 95% of roster are Stellaris memes? Considering what we discuss in these threads, it should be at least half Amplitude and 20% civ

>>188078391
Go for it but we need less Stellaris memes.

>>188078391
This was fun.

>>188078851
Maybe if we burn the poster too it'll be enough juice.

>>188079379
>>188079593
Stellaris was the hot new game around the time the roster was made, and dominated the threads back then. I do agree that we need less Stellaris memes though so feel free to toss suggestions around.

>>188079379
Amplitude people have 'special' brains, and as a result they only play Amplitude games.

Stellaris and Civ are played by the same people.

>>188079379
>>188079593
Last poll was held like a couple of weeks after Utopia.
>>188079714
In my opinion the only stellaris memes we really need to keep are Hak Hak Hak, Hyperlanes Only and Corvette Spam (but not as a medal). That leaves plenty of space for more relevant memes. Keep Stalin as Captain though.

>>188079714
A few straight out of my head:
nuclear Gandhi
Zelevas
Riftborn bullying
Horatio sauce

anyone have a working tougher city states mod for civ6

>>188079824
Nigga amplitude games are fine.

>>188078391
We should play /gsg/

>>188079714
I am fond of pigs.

>>188079967
Civ 5

>>188078391
Great Wall should be a GK.

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I don't think I can play RTS online. My favorite part is when all the defenders are passed by the swords, and your troops are free to rampage the town, murder the peasants, and burn the buildings.
Online, most people ragequit with a "gg" once their army is down.

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I like allayi, but I'm pretty sure I'm bad with them.

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>>188082417
I don't like their disapproval of expansion, but I could also just be bad.
I actually really like the space vikings, but that's because I'm a whooooore for science.

>>188079714
Efficient UI
Craver Neighbor
DUDE -Insert thing here- LAMO
Broken Lord Megacity
Cultist Megacity

>>188079714
Do we have a meme about nerve-stapler?

>>188082417
The Allayi dying out by Endless Space bums me more than anything. At least the Vaulters and Broken Lords made it out alive.

So is there any reason to get Endless Space 1 with ES2 out aside from maybe the Vaulters and Auriga?

>>188085213
To see how much the studio changed since their first game.

this is still the honorary city builder general, right?
Just picked up Caesar 3, what should I expect

>>188087014
/cbg/ is here yeah

>>188087014
>Caaesar 3
Oh boy, where to start? It's the base of Sierra's city builder, probably the earliest one.

What to expect :
>getting sick as fuck of that fucking music
>losing a lot of building because engineers and prefects are differents (in the later games, they're mixed in one)
>losing a lot of money and making Caesar angry at you
>spending a lot on gardens because you fucked up your building placements

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Apparently the cops in my city want me to move in a superhero. Looks like they want to outsource to a pajama wearing dork.

Is Beacon of Liberty worth taking if you aren't also playing with Agrarian Idyll?

>>188089171
Depends, what's your ethos look like?

>>188089565
Right now we're looking at Materialist/Egalitarian/Militarist.

I tried playing the Pacifist way, with Agrarian Idyll, but then I found out that Egalitarian Militarists are great for warmongering -- and it's lame to just expand so slowly.

But I still want to farm some Unity, so... I dunno. I hear that the Parliamentary System civic increases Egalitarian attraction, is that true?

>>188087354
Holy shit, the Gods get pissed at you every 5 minutes if you aren't constantly building temples what the fuck

>>188087014
>>188087354

Nostalgia makes me actually really like the music, but I'm sure for a first time player it'll get annoying real quick.

I actually really liked Caesar III. I feel like the big thing will be how annoyed you get with things like wolves, and actually getting houses to upgrade properly because pathing is kinda weird

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>riftborn keep spamming dilation singularities on my system as cravers
thanks I guess

>>188089942
It's one temple per god for 600 habitants if I remember right.

>>188089928
Beacon of liberty is your best bet then, but I don't actually know about that.

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What should I specialize my first city into? I'm thinking towards tourism, but there's also some good mineral deposits and along with I'm going to need a university if I do build a factory heavy city.

>>188090382
I mean, I guess I'm asking if you recommend it. Because, if that 15% isn't going to be worth much at the beginning, I could always go with something like Technocracy and adopt Beacon of Liberty later in the game, when I have some Unity-producing buildings constructed.

>>188090141
thanks, good to know. Still a little annoying that I need to build so many temples at a time, but I guess they want you to make a high-class temple and Senate area

>>188090608
I would wait until you get the third civic tech before you select beacon of liberty, it sucks during the first part of the game, but gets better has you go on. Although a spiritualist has an easier time getting unity then a materialist empire does.

>>188090784
I went with Materialist largely because I wanted Technocracy, but I agree with you -- it's better to choose Spiritualist until 1.8, which will allow Synthetic empires to assimilate newly-acquired pops. I'll make that chance.

So, which civics would you recommend for a Spiritualist/Militarist/Egalitarian empire?

>there are no torrents of Endless Space 2 that aren't like 4 months out of date

DED

>>188090974
Beacon of liberty, mining guilds and maybe citizen service?

>>188091608
Thanks for the heads up -- I think I'll go with Nationalistic Zeal, though, because I'm not using Xenophobe anymore to expand my borders.

Is the Utopian Living Standards option bugged? All of the pops on my Capital are still at 50% happiness.

>>188092391
Yea, I think so.

>>188092664
What? That sucks!

I want that +20% happiness!

>>188092664
>>188092986
I've started a new game and it's working now.

So, in order to afford Extremely Adaptive, I've taken Sedentary and Wasteful. Would you recommend another negative trait, instead of Wasteful? With Egalitarian it's only a +10% increase in consumer goods, but I'm curious if there's a better option.

>>188091093
just buy it anon, good game and good company

>>188094120
i will in the halloween sale or something

My personal experience if you do have utopian abundance working, you can take solitary, sedentary and maybe deviant since utopian abundance cancels out any negative you get from an faction pop that's unhappy.

>>188090616
You can build grand temple or oracles (basically small temples but for every god), but they cost marble.

Also, if you're on a peaceful map (can't build fort) you can neglect Mars. You can also have festivals (in the advisors screen) to make gods happy.
The lastest patches let you turn off the gods.
In the following games, gods are changed to be simpler to deal with. Emperor has only three gods that can get upset, and while you can't build temples for them, you can easily buy them with gifts (mostly goods).

>>188094985
Hrm. I DO have Spiritualist; that would very nearly cancel out Deviant's effect.

>>188078391
The RA 2 version of Hell March is better.

>>188095953
Meet me behind the gymnasium in ten minutes, nerd.

>>188091093
Wait for a sale.

>>188082417
Kind of the same here, but I'm not even sure how to git gud with them. City building and expansion already have me stumped. They seem to be fucked on going wide until well into the game due to the +150% expansion disapproval. And going tall doesn't seem too feasible either with the prohibitive Pearl cost on Garths (even with the -40% reduction from an Allayi governor) if you want more than 6-8 tile cities in multiple cities.

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>mfw I bought Stellaris against my best judgement
You guys weren't kidding. The first game was really fun, but the AI always federates against me and fuck me in the ass, and restarting a new game is just tedious. Couldn't Paradox have installed some bookmarks?

>>188099615
>paradox
>quality of life improvements

what are you, crazy?

>>188099615
>tedious
welcome to 4x

>>188100016
The screeshots seemed nice...
>big empires
>big flets
>lotsa stuff to do

>go full AI in Stellaris
>find a materialist FE
>they awaken
>60% of my empires population gets dismantled

I hate this game

>>188101139
just dont be a cuck next time

>>188101139
>getting bullied this hard
lmao

>>188093810
>>188094985
>>188095484
Slow Learners. No mechanical penalty; you're just losing some time.

>>188093810
Slow Learners. It has the least direct impact on an empire.

>>188101139
>allowing your kind to get machinejewed
you deserve it

>>188102571
>>188104189
why not ugly?

So i just had an awakened empire ask me to become its satellite.

Will they declare war on me if i decline? am i fugged?

>>188108173
they won't immediately but likely will eventually when war in heaven starts. Another AE will likely also ask you to become their bitch, you can decline or not, and third option is to join the league of non alinged planets, basically all the empire that dont join an AE become a federation. Or you can choose to join no one and stay independent. If you're powerful enough that's generally the best option, league of non alinged is a good choice too. Generally joining an AE sucks, they are require different things (eg half your minerals/energy, not being able to conquer anything, etc.)

>>188107967
Don't want more enemies than I can handle.

It's why I've stopped using Xenophobe.

>>188108578
this game is easy as fuck just pick what ever you want man

>>188108679
I have yet to win a single game and I've been playing since day one.

Never underestimate my capacity for fucking up.

>>188108173
What kind of FE was it?

Keepers of Knowledge just agree. You take a 25% hit to research but you're fine otherwise. The only one I would say to NEVER agree to is Enigmatic Observer because you can't declare war, meaning the game is basically over. The only benefit to an EO is that if someone is dumb enough to attack you, they absolutely will come to your aid.

>>188109091
>The only one I would say to NEVER agree to is Enigmatic Observer
I would also never agree to which ever FE makes you give 25% of your energy and minerals. It completely fucks you.

How do you guys think Wiz will fuck up the Next Update/Expansion?

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Is there an Unfallen version of this?

>>188111554
It looks pretty okay to me so far.

>>188115568
reporduce

MUGANI?

any mod to make hiveminds not purge themself when conquered? one is getting anoying, but I don't want to conquer their planet and then lose it because everyone on it offed themself

>>188118439
I think the assumption is you killed whatever was keeping the hive mind together, so the drones are just dying off.

>>188119172
fuck it, I just vassalize them, can't keep dealing with their shit the the federation assholes think they are some hot shit
ruler/leaders should be pops you can put in planets

wow why is she so silly

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>>188120012
wow why am I so silly

in civ 5; can you build roads on a tile immediately next to another empire border? Not at war with them

>>188120660
if you have open borders you can build a road straight to their city, and they have to pay for the roads in their territory

the ultimate trick

>>188120660
You can build roads on any tile where a worker can get.

>>188120780
>>188120820
yeah that's what I thought. Had a weird glitch or something. Working was on a tile, I clicked on build road, and it jumped north east to the next tile and started building there.

Is this how we die?

>>188122992
I wish.

Anyone have the Improved AI mod for EL?

Downloads seem to be broken on the only site that I can find it on.

>>188123140
Download it on the workshop.

>>188079714
>>188084004
WE MUST DISSENT

>>188123192
Ah, derp. Yeah I see it, for some reason it doesn't show up under the "AI" category or when you search "improved ai".

>>188099598
there's some guy on r*ddit who is autistic about them but is also a really good allayi player, can't remember the strategy but their units can turn top tier pretty early.

>>188099615
Bookmarks?

What's the best ship classes mod for Stellaris atm?

>>188124484
Right now? Naked corvette spam (no upgrades, just the default corvette you start with) due to tech costs being ridiculous. The AI with its single doomstack simply can't handle getting bogged down by an unending corvette spam that'll slowly whittle their shit down for like 1/10th of the cost of their fleet.

1.8's throwing that shit out the window though so probably Cruiser/Battleship spam.

>>188124484
Holy fuck sorry. It's 5:22 over here and I'm dead fucking tired.

To answer your actual question; Improved Space Battles. Lets you build the Titan (the Battleship breaker FEs get), as well as adding a Leviathan class ship, a Dreadnought class, and a literal fucking Death Star along with a ton of super ships (including what is basically the Star Forge).

It's also the mod that most custom shipset makers make innately compatible.

>>188124792
Not that anon but is that why I'm getting fucked nonstop? Do large ship classes seriously not matter? I keep losing mixed fleets versus small little shits.

>>188124908
Right now, yeah. Tech's just not cost effecient. That's been changed in 1.8 though. Cost for tech upgrades is a 16% upgrade instead of literally fucking quintupling.

All a shitload of Battleships really do right now is act as a deterrent (jacks up your fleet power ranking which AI DOES pay attention to) unless the Prethoryn Horde shows up. In which case outfitting them all with Tachyon Lances will absolutely eat the swarm alive.

>>188125038
Ugh. I'm assuming this is the case for total conversion mods too like New Horizons? Thanks.

>>188124905
>with a ton of super ships
Does it also make them behave well enough in a big formation?
My main gripe with the kitchen sink supership mods I've tried so far is that the formations just don't seem to work with so many ship types and huge ship sizes.

Dead

Look, I am just not going to post in spider threads without saging
cultivate some memes unique to the thread

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>>188124480
Starting epoch. Like in Crusader Kings 2 when you can pick a specific year.

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>play as Japan in Civ5
>get fucked over by barbarians from all sides
>not even rage mode is on
>this happens only when I play as Japan

I've been getting the hankering to play Civ again. Don't feel like dropping the shekels on Civ6. So I'm curious if there is a mod for Civ5 that creates just a massive map. The huge maps in the base game are small enough that when I play 12 Civs, I've met four of them in the first 10 turns. I want just a massive map. Any recommendations?

>>188069546
I miss "empire of ants".
Buggy, but great game.

>>188131383
I remember trying it as a kid and having no idea what to do.

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Does anyone play Gal Civ 3 (post-crusade)? I bought all the DLC a few months ago but it just isn't hooking me like I thought it would.

>>188102571
Actually starting at the age of fifty, your leaders do have to roll the dice to stay alive every time.

>>188132417
If you're not joking, is there more secret stuff like that?

>>188131752
The devs implanted a bug that made your worker do jack shit if the game was cracked.
And the game was very hard, because as a fucking ant, everything is better than you if you are not a million.

It was kinda a dwarf fortress with a 3d interface, with RTS gameplay for your army.

You set up a list of priority for your worker, like tending to the eggs, repairing or building the nest, ect. You select what egg the queen produce, and you select zones for foraging on the surface, and usually get fucked everywhere.
No material, your nest room crumble, no food, your soldier die one by one, best first, then when winter come everyone not in the nest die, and those in the nest die if not ennought food is stored.

for example,
Web are the best material on ressource/size ratio that you can find, but if the spider come it's fucked for your workers. Baiting them with some soldiers to give time for your worker is doable, though. grass is plentyfull everywhere but will fill up all your granarys space for few food points,

The other races, termites, tisserand ants, and wasp have way better base stat than you. Bigger creatures are here, and can fuck you up or save you. caterpillar and snail are easy food, salamander can come right into a fight and fuck up the two army entirely.

The army and scout are directly commanded as squad, like a RTS. You got those that split acid, exploding one gorged with acid, big headed that can block tunnel, lot of shit that required micromanagement.

Hard fucking game with slow developement where you can go from well to dead in five minutes, but great.
Got chill music, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTd7zEzrqkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydD3H4_Ncaw
>We're finally getting Victorian Anno
My dick hurts

>>188132417
Aren't you thinking of Fleeting?

>>188107967
diplo penalties for one. this game is already hard enough to stop the entire galaxy joining a federation against you without giving them another excuse to do it.

Does FE strength scale with habitable worlds modifier?

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New update when? I want to terminate alredy.
Gettin bored with my cuddly devils

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>>188078391
>>188080652
/vg/ League anon again. Just letting you lads know that a friendly with /gsg/ has been accepted and will be taking place on the 23rd of September at 7:30pm UTC (subject to stream delays on the day but will not happen before then). I'll provide a stream link when our game is about to start.

As we're allowed two friendly matches, are there any other generals you'd like to see us play against at all?

>>188139330
/twg/ I guess

>>188139330
Maybe /indie/, we share a fair chunk of anons with them.

>>188078391
Roster poll when?

>>188139330
I vote for /nepgen/.

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>>188140068
Most likely shortly after the friendlies so that there is time to sort out 3d models for new players such as a sauce bottle with arms and legs with pic related on the label :^)

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>>188140690
>Horatio sauce player

>>188140690
>>188140839
FUCK YOU

>>188139330
Return The Great Wall as a goalkeeper this instant, he's an original /civ4xg/ icon and replacing him with some two-bit stellaris meme that isn't even related to blocking is just disrespectful.

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>>188140690

>>188142192
>>188143303
i second great wall goalie and horatio sauce

>>188143303
FUCK OFF

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>>188078391
Does the game support custom skeletons?

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>>188144845
Not nice.

>>188145741
I'm going to deport all the Horatios to Spider Planet. Let's see you getting your "juice" sucked out after being injected with acid.

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>>188148162

I've been out of the loop on /civ4xg/ for a while, someone please spoonfeed me an explanation for this Horatio Sauce meme

>>188148803
I made a mistake.

We were talking about different cultures, and how life would be on a Horatio-controlled planet, with every street named "Horatio street", French Fries renamed to "Horatio Fries", and then I made the mistake of mentioning that Horatio Fries come with Horatio sauce on top of them.

Now everyone is repeating that meme just to spite me.

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>>188148803
Most meme faction needed memes

>>188149193
Memes truly are a beautiful thing.

>>188150179
NO

That one isn't even good or fun.

>>188150408
Yes it is.

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>>188150672
NOOOOOOO

Why is Cities Skylines so shit when compared to SC4?

>>188153742
Because it's linear as fuck.
I have seriously never saw a city builder where you have a hard limit on what you can build. Even Tropico let you waste your money on useless crap if you want to, like healthcare, education, and other useless stuff.

why is this general so dead and pathetic
t./gsg/ fag

>>188068720
That game looks neat as fuck. I've watched some videos

>>188131383
>Buggy

Do you think Stellaris is good? I've never played it, but I really like Paracucks games

>>188155998
I very much enjoy the early game.
But once exploration starts to simmer down a bit, I'm wishing I could port this over to Distant Worlds directly and play it there.

What's the focus of DW:U? Military? Exploration? Economy?

>>188156123

Mmm, why is that? I guess I'll have to try it and see

>>188154206
>healthcare
>useless
If you like all your sugar farmers fucking off to become rebels sure.

>>188154837
Because the most popular 4X game in the last 5 years is Hearts of Iron 4 with the graphics changed.

>>188158640
You misswrote "training targets".

>>188159818
With what military? Your farmers are all rebels now so the army is starving to death if not joining the rebels themselves. You can get away with a lot of shit and abuse your people in tropico but ignoring healthcare is not one of them.

>>188160042
Soldiers can eat human flesh, can they? I'll just get new workers from Montenegro.

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I'm having some trouble with my hyperdrive. My ships don't go the speed they should. I have the Equinox Jumpdrive installed on all my military ships(with sufficent power generators, of course), yet some ships go only 15k when they should be going 23k. One of my cruisers even goes 26k which is faster than anything I've researched.
I haven't played the game in over 2 years, am I missing something or is this some kind of bug?

Is Aurora4x grand strategy or 4x

>>188161956
>hyper : 23 000
>speed : 15 000
Weird. Isn't it because it's an entire group instead of just one ship?

>>188162046
Technically it's /gsg/ but if you try and post about it there they'll throw a fit because it's not CK2 EU4 or liquor simulator 2 so it usually gets posted here.

>>188161956
I don't know much about DW but that ship appears to have two FTL drives on it? Is that possibly the source of your problem?

>>188162592
>Technically it's /gsg/
white
based

>>188162592
Where do you see two FTL drive? I see only one. It's the Equinox JumpDrive, almost hidden at the bottom, right over "SHOW CONSTRUCTION SUMMARY".
The Fusion Reactor is something else.

>>188162869
Oh the list to the left of that has equinox jumpdrive and a hyperdrive on it. I thought that was the stuff on the ship, like I said I'm really not good with that game my bad.

>>188162592
Nothing about it is 4x

>>188162170
The entire fleet has the Equinox.
>>188162592
I doublechecked, there's only a single hyperdrive.
Where are you seeing a second one?

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>>188163367
No worries, it's just that the left list are the available components. The middle column are the quipped components.

>>188163451
Then I don't know. Do you have slower ships, like carriers or some shit?

>>188161956
>>188163578
ok, I checked every single ship and it seems one of them didn't get a complete refit. The shipyard was short on resources and didn't replace the old hyperdrive. Never seen that happen before.
Also the cruiser going faster than 23k has a fleet admiral on it who probably has a 10-15% speed bonus.

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>after truce runs out after a war in which i utterly trounced them leaving them with only 1 city

yeah this seems fine and good

>>188160042
>>188161870
desu even Cuba has a good enough healthcare.

>>188166962
t. Cuban propaganda

>>188156387
It's because of the lack of decent strategy mechanics and the existence of some broken/shallow mechanics. The game is fun for role play but don't expect a challenge.

>>188136162
I'm hoping 1.8 and Synthetic Dawn drop later this month, but we still don't have a release date.

>>188171253
It's not dropping until Feb 2018

>>188166236
Declare war in return just to prove a point.

>>188176048
can't i'm playing as roving clans

i guess i could make some (((privateers))) though

>>188176189
Roving clans are just gypsies.

>>188132014
Just stop that game is disgustingly bad and broken
Arguably the worst space 4x around

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>>188178041
I want to play the Roving Clans as a military bully since I love nomadic horsemen and their aesthetic is GOAT like all Amplitude stuff, but nooo they hate war

>>188179663
I don't really remember Endless Legend, but can't you mod your factions to keep the basic system but make them all tooty-point'n'shooty if you want?

>>188179448
What's wrong with it?

>>188179663
nigga just make a custom faction that is roving clans but with war declaration enabled

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>>188182758
Too late I'm playing crazy religious zealots in space

>>188183650
Your leader has a speech impediment.

>>188185267
Pls no bully, she just wants to rise Virtual, and resolve her family situation.

We should rename this general Auriga General.

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Is Jump Drive Better than wormhole?

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>>188188437
I think we should rename it Horatio general instead

>>188189997
We could attract way more people with how beautiful the general is

>>188189997
The moment you suggested that, we reached page 10. There's no coincidence.

>page 10 again
SEE? NO COINCIDENCE

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Why are the churches always the most beautiful buildings?

Why do the Scottish castles don't even look like castles?

>>188189997
Good job

>>188189997
Horatio is a faggot

>>188199321
Worse. He's a narcissist.

>>188199426
So he's like Wiz?

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Quick, any advice how to keep my lead? This is the first time I've gotten this far and successful on emperor difficulty. Playing as the Netherlands. I had to reload a save but 30 turns later I got 4x DoW'd. Instead of going printing press I am gonna go for Muskets and also upgrade my composite bowmen.

Fuck, it is hard since the AI can build armies as large as they want seemingly. Unit supply is so bullshit. And the second the AI gets a larger army they DOW you. Ugh.

>>188199847
>any advice how to keep my lead?
Crush your enemies.

>>188199847
lol @ antwerp being a puppet

>>188200408
good advice

>>188200893
explain.

Due to a relatively slow growth rate earlier because of low happiness I didnt annex the conquered cities immediately.

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>>188201104
Not him but I thought it was just a joke about the history of the two cities with Amsterdam eclipsing Antwerp in importance over time.

>>188201523
I'm not familiar with slav story, sorry.

>>188204028
you arent me

>>188204183
thank christ

ded

I think I prefer my 'boisterous bruisers' build to my 'despotic slavers' build, even though they function pretty similarly. They don't have as much mineral income at the beginning, but they're also not instantly despised by their neighbors and newly-conquered worlds don't immediately descend into rebellion.

>>188210451
What does "boisterous bruisers" mean? How do you play it?

>>188212187
Egalitarian/Militarist/Spiritualist instead of Authoritarian/Militarist/Xenophobe.

I'm doing just as much conquering, but it's actually easier because my elevated living standards keep all of my pops, native and conquered alike, really happy. Heck, oftentimes my conquered pops are treated better in my empire than they were in their old one.

My old build was Authoritarian/Militarist/Xenophobe with Mining Guilds and Slaving Guilds.

My new build is Egalitarian/Militarist/Spiritualist with Parliamentary System and Nationalistic Zeal. I took the later to give me a similar border expansion to the Xenophobe that I had been using.

>>188212831
Interesting. What's your tradition order?

>>188213561
Right now I work to fill out Expansion, open Supremacy for larger borders, fill out Harmony for happiness, less unrest, and the Paradise Dome among other benefits, then I finish Supremacy and go for Prosperity. After that... It varies depending on how the game is going.

The real fun of this build is in waging war without being a bad guy. Sure, your opponents hate you, but the rest of the galaxy loves the fact that you're Egalitarian, and you're newly-conquered worlds are practically celebrating now that you've democratic prosperity to their beleaguered population.

>>188213916
Between Spiritualist, Harmony, and elevated living standards (go for Utopian as soon as you can afford it) your pops reach max happiness pretty easily and their productivity goes through the roof.

>>188188982
yes

talk to me about Endless Space 2

>>188215437
Kawaii time robots are the best.

>>188213916
I thought going Expansion first would screw up unity growth too much. Don't you have to build a lot of temples?

>>188216581
Explain your thinking?

>>188216250
Just started a new campaign with the Riftborn. I like everything about them except how fucking slow their ships are. Even putting Hyperium movement improvement modules, they seem so slow.

>>188216581
>not building temples anyway

>>188216581
Expansion has a Tradition that reduces the Unity cost of new Traditions, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

>>188156290
Kinda depends on what race you pick

Anyone got that ardent mage guide pic?

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>literally us

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Is it cheating to play as a civ that benefits from your map settings?

>>188229983
No, the AI cheats so fuck them

>>188201523
>Sunrises and sunsets, algae and microbes, wind and rain -- even in the most barren places of this universe the Riftborn can't get away from its tortures.
Riftborn are retards, they're robots that don't need to breathe but refuse to "colonize" space which has none of the things they hate. Instead they build colonize planets and whine endlessly about it.

>>188231157
the riftborn are faggots that's why

>>188201523
>>188231157
>FTL civilization.
>Can't find a tidal locked airless planet.
What a bunch of fucking shitters.

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Machine waifus when?

>Selective purging slaves will be allowed on patch 1.8
Fucking finally.

>>188231775
Because, apparently, there aren't any airless planets in ES2. Not like just omitted on the basis of notability, but just aren't there.
Must suck real bad for them.
Even then, why not colonize those asteroid fields or anomalies?

>>188199847
Build a bigger army. Yours is tiny right now.

>>188236921
BRAVO SPIDEY

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https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/904333374160035840

AI is designed to actively spite you.

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So what did Fraxis mean when they released a broken game and instead of fixing it they released overpriced DLC's of civs nobody wanted and are the textbook definition of powercreep?

What a waste of money.

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>>188237862
>as if it exists
what did he mean by this?

>>188237981
In the context of that tweet he is saying that they shouldn't hide stuff from players

>>188237970
I haven't played the game since launch, are the DLC civs really that much better than the base civs?

The only notable civ v dlc civ power wise was Korea and Inca right?

>>188238102
AUSTRALIA FUCKING SHITS

Fighters and bombers when, its fucking September

>>188238056
Nah. He saying that if the AI can tell you to fuck off from settling near them then you should be able to tell them to do the same. Functionally it does boil down to what the anon was memeing about though. Diplomacy doesn't exist for the ai or the player right now.

>>188232358
If we're lucky, then the 21st. This weeks dev diary will be "changes to Ascension Paths and Megastructures and the addition of Awakened Empire Decadence". Then hopefully after that the patch notes then release the following week.
This is best case scenario.

Hurry the fuck up Wiz.

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If you're interested in Cossacks, check https://www.gog.com/promo/20170904_weekly_sale_xseed_gsc_anuman, there's a sales for the Cossacks anthologies.

You can avoid the second one, though.

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>surverying systems
>stumble upon one named Xir
uwu

*cancels your colonization*

>>188238102
>A weeb colony & a bunch of jungle monkeys who got wiped out by the Spanish

Which one is more hardcore for the brain, requiring more thought and so. Civ 4 or 5

Also which games do you also suggest in that area that are strategy games of course, except Stellaris - it's a good game with non-existant diplomacy. I'm looking to bend my brain above having fun.

>>188246446
neither, they're games. Try puzzle game like The Talos Principle if anything.

>>188246446
Puyo Puyo.

>>188246920
>the only game that can engage you in an intellectual manner is a puzzle

>>188246446

Get Civ4 and load it with one of these mods:
>Rise of Mankind a New Dawn (good all-around improvement from the base game; in active development)
>Realism Invictus (if you're more realistically minded but not fully blown historyfag)
>Rhye's and Fall (if you're a fully blown historyfag)
>Pie's Ancient Europe (if you're a fully blown historyfag, but you have an itch to scratch in regards to Ancient Europe)
>Sengoku (if you're a fully blown historyfag, but you have an itch to scratch in regards to Japan)
>Fall from Heaven 2 (if you're a fantasyfag; I recommend the MagisterModMod tho as it's into semi-active development and is lore rich)
>Caveman 2 Cosmos (if you're a true autist who likes an inordinate amount of stuff and mechanic complexity; in active development)

You're liable to find more stuff in Civfanatics, but that's the stuff I can recommend in good faith.

>>188234743
Yeah it was. I've doubled the size of my army so far, and I've decided to wage war against Sejong while I have the lead.

Unfortunately I have no city state allies so far, but that will hopefully change soon. I need to gain control of the world congress before they can do damage to me (embargo etc...)

>>188246446
Get Civ 5. You don't need any mod because the game is already perfect.

>>188238146
Is Australia like super strong?

>>188246446
Civ 5 requires more >intellect because you can't make doom stacks.

>>188249085
True. You see a lot of babies whining abotu the 1UpT thingy, but they fail to understand that it adds to the game. You can't just spam units and stack them now.

>>188250210
Now you just span units and pillage your way across your enemy's territory until you surround their city and beat it to death.

You're still spamming units.

>>188250461
But now there's strategy involved. Send your elite units, and the city defence will kill them. Send your catapults unprotected, and they'll die.

>Think Broken Lords are the best
>These niggas are already tops, how could they get better?
>Do main quest
>They're the Endless but with amnesia or some shit
Broken Lords Master Race.

>>188250863
>strategy
hardly, it's a pain in the ass with the map littered with units. It's an improvement tho I'll give it that.

>>188249085
>>188250210
doom stacks aren't the scariest shit, they are easy to deal with. invest in production, stockpile artillery, have an army ready to kill and you can dismantle any doom stack with minimal losses to your primary army
civ 5 requires smarter placement of units because of 1upt tho

>Endless Legend
>Set map to Scattered
>100% Science focus for T2 and Shipyard
>Immediately colonize and relocate your original city to the main continent
>???
>Profit

Is this too cheesy you think?

>>188250210
You can't just spam units and stack them now because their relative cost in hammers is about 10 times higher than what it was in Civ IV.
1UPT has nothing to do with why V is despammed.

>page 10
The civcucks need to leave.

>>188217645
if you want to know how to riftborn military, your navies should purely be upgraded protector schematics and hunter schematics
the protectors should be filled with as many H-field accelerators as possible (to the point where you have no engines), while the hunters should have as many guns as possible
since the riftborn ships are stupidly specialized and hilariously overslotted, you should have more than enough damage for a fleet with only a few hunters; if you have four or more protectors in each fleet, the fleet's speed will easily move in the double digits
this is obviously very resource and CP intensive, so improved strategic extraction tech and CP tech are your highest military priorities after getting upgraded protectors and hunters

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>>188256632
>>188256632

>>188258317
t. brainlet civcuck

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>>188258317
>He doesn't have gamerboots

>>188258798
Shh, don't feed the underage attention. Just report and ignore it.

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>>188258798

>>188259037
Poorfags gonna poor.

>page 10

>civfag get rekt
>star shitposting
Of course.

>be playing roving clans
>ai literally never buys a single thing from the marketplace
GIVE ME MY TRANSACTION FEES YOU STUPID GOYIM

>>188238146
>>188249060
Sumeria, Scythia and Australia are all ridiculous. 2 of (Scythia and Australia) those are DLC.

The other DLCs are probably at the same level or weaker than Trajan or Barbarossa. I think Alexander's probably the only other one that's particularly strong.

They definitely are fucking up with the bug fixes though, most likely it won't be until the fall update that they fix the shit they broke with the summer patch considering it's been radio silence.

>>188265784
Why did all of my favorite publishers become lazy?

>>188212831
>>188213916
>Play this build.
>Get the Environmentalist civic.
>Activate Utopian Abundance.

Man, this is a fun game.

>>188265197
it's most fun playing the asshole factions (roving clans, drakken, forgotten, allayi) in multiplayer

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>/rtsg/
>mfw installed all my old C&C games in Linux under Wine and they work almost flawlessly

I know what I'm doing for the next few weekends.

>>188270549
How playable is EL multiplayer? Never really bothered trying to play multi in 4X, seemed like it would just be people disconnecting after 30 minutes of nothing really happening.

>tfw never experienced cravers or necrophages neighbours over 200 hours in amplitude games
Getting some pussy bitch like unfallen or roving clans spawn near you is boring.

>>188274384
In my experience unfallen were more aggressive than cravers.

>>188273174
Basically this for anything I've ever tried. Funny enough, even getting my own IRL friends into the game and only playing with each other in multiplayer, we still never had the patience to actually complete a game. Also desync is a huge issue if you play for a while if I remember right.

Only other time i've ever played an online 4x is Civ 5, and some guy just did some rush strategy against me to kill me incredibly quick. Didn't know what to do.

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>>188274384
Every campaign of ES2 I have ever played I spawn right next to Cravers. Always eats up a ton of time fighting them or fending them off. Also explains why other AI across the map always win economy or science victories unhindered. They all just sit around while 2-3 of us fight all the time.

>>188273174
>>188275304
stick away from huge maps; too large, meaning little interaction in the first couple tens of turns
if someone dcs halfway through you can easily just save and remake the lobby, the only long loading screen is worldgen at the very beginning

as long as you have good world settings and faster speed settings it's fun; adds a lot more nuance to the game when everyone knows what they're doing

>>188275504
The worst thing about Cravers is that you can't even snowball since their depleted planets are useless.

>>188278098
by desyncing I don't mean someone disconnecting, if you were referring to me. The desync starts to cause errors or people to drop right out of the game, and while you can keep reloading the lobby, that gets real annoying and adds a lot of time to an already slow genre (for multiplayer at least)

>>188279426
Yep. I also feel like if you fight them, you have to do significant damage because otherwise you'll always have to be watching your flank, because a declaration of war could always be one random turn away. Makes me feel like I have to obliterate the cravers, which takes a ton of time, and you don't get much out of it.

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>>188275504
So what is the gameplan with them?

Containment until you become strong enough to snowball through their stuff while maintaining a fleet to keep cheeky neighbors from taking advantage of your war?

In my current game I lucked out, the Sophons and Vodyani are between me and them, but they've already wiped out the Unfallen. I'm doing a decent job building up my empire but since I'm aiming for a military victory I'm going to have to deal with them eventually.

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Bumpan cuz this is my favorite general, life is pain

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>>188282721
Hard to say. In my last game, while I spent over 100 turns trying to completely destroy the cravers once and for all (which I did accomplish), 3 other factions, the sophons, Horatio, and Riftborn all made an alliance. Together, all 3 of them couldn't really be fucked with. I went 100% all out on military to see if I could dismantle them somehow. I had like 16 22/22 fleets fully upgraded, and that was just enough for me to defend everything I had and also come about 4 systems away from killing the sophons. Unfortunately, their alliance produced enough science that they won the game by turn 220~/300 (normal speed), and I lost anyway.

Anyway, to end my blogpost, I'm not sure. In my example I got so wound up killing the cravers that I didn't really have a way to win other than killing everyone with the ships I amassed to kill teh cravers. There was too much to take and kill to stop them from eventually getting science/economy victory. I guess you could just constantly bribe them for truces whenever they try to fuck with you, but if you're ever caught with your pants down, you might not have enough to truce with them again.

>>188274838
That's just because you don't accept the roots

Accept the roots, anon

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>>188283767
The slower generals are usually the nicest and with the best quality/post ratio

>>188264314
>727
TITUS
GET A LOAD OF CROSSES

>mfw I like old RTS
>very easy to see when Warcraft 3 came out because a lot of RTS after that tried to be original with cards, levelling up, and heroes
Fuck Warcraft 3.

>>188288779
I think RTS is just plain dead, right? I haven't seen any new RTS's besides SC2 and Grey Goo, but neither of those have heroes or any RPG elements like WC3

>>188288984
SC2 and Grey Goo are very recent compared to the heroes wave. Try Age of Empires 3, who killed its serie so bad they resurrected the second game instead of making a fourth one.

>>188289169
never played 3. Thought it was just like 2 but in a later era. I remember my brother played it and also discarded it completely, so I never gave it a shot either. Still, AoE3 was what, 12 years ago?

>>188289290
A bit later after Warcraft 3 started that horrendous fad of putting heroes everywhere.

Nowadays, it's returning to normal, with Grey Goo, Cossacks 3, and a few others one, but RTS is sadly still struggling.

Anyone tried Battlestar Galactica Deadlock? Going to give it a run tomorrow.