/rlg/ - Tangledeep General

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friendly reminder

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>Poschengband is still misspelled in the OP
Way to go butthead

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adom is the only good roguelike

>/rlg/ - Tangledeep General
how far have we fallen?

>>187992954
the correct spelling is PoSchengband which stands for piece of shit, right

At the end of the day we're all just a bunch of shitposting faggots.
I'm looking at you OP

>>187993145
actually, you'll see that it is spelled PozCumButt xD

>>187993212
We should have at least one general iteration with all RL names changed into those juvenile jokes.

>>187993181
There are no more roguelikes. DCSS dev stalled, ToME dev ruined, ADOM and Nethack shit games, good shit like Brogue, DoomRL, Sil will never be worked on by the dev again.
Face it. Tangledeep is our last hope.

>>187992954
i'd let her bore into my dick if you know what i mean ;)

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Tangledeep > elona > dcss > a steaming pile of dog shit > nethack > tic tac toe > ToME > getting fucked in the ass by MANY ORCISH PRIDES > CDDA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adom
You literally cannot dispute this.

>>187993647
Does CDDA include uncucked?

>>187993476
>nightmareshitters still claiming tome was 'ruined' by rebalancing the difficulty options that only a tiny portion of the playerbase even used

>>187993476
Sorry sweetie but nethack and its variants are being worked on right this minute by some of the most talented minds this genre has ever seen.
The Amy herself has carefully handcrafted her variant to be the pinnacle of gaming perfection.

>>187993770
>nightmareshitters
Nigger I play Madness. Don't misgender me you cuck.

>>187993647
sorry anon but youre wrong, there is literally nothing better than getting fucked in the ass

unfortunately tome does not supply this experience because the orc prides are imbalanced in the other direction -- 4 hours of samey tabbing (no tab button though) through 4 flavors of samey nonthreatening orcs

>>187993849
the amy is busy huffing farts and sucking Biskup's fat german cock to make a good variant sweetie :)

bump for psuedoeliposchengband

Don't fall into the grasp of sweetie-posting, anons. We don't need to go down that dark road.

>>187996631
okay sweetie
>captcha: select all squares with sunglasses

>>187994024
FIGHT ME TO THE DEATH YOU FILTHY PALE BASTARD. MY ROGUELIKE IS THE ONLY TRUE ROGUELIKE

Can't we all just suck each others' cocks instead of having this pointless internet spergout?

>>187997671
i refuse to suck cocks before identifying and equipping an amulet of change

>>187997827
That's really fucking degenerate
Boys should love boys

>>187997494
kill yourself larper

actaul darkgod here youre all niggers

>>187999159
thats not in french so its not remotely beleivable

Actual darkgod here, what do you want to see buffed in 1.6 my minions? And don't forget to buy the DLC with our cool overpowered new classes and new tentacle rape mechanics!

>>187999448
add dildos

>>187999448
fake, gay and not french

Remember to buy ToME 4 DLC, my minions! :) omelette du fromage

Does role playing on /rlg/ qualify as a roguelike?

>>188000795
/rlg/ is a roguelike

>>188000795
no because it's fun and fun isn't in the Berlin Interpretation

First off, I hate you for making a shitpost OP.
Second off
>due to the int bug 3 int have a nonzero fail chance when using devices
Chris really dropped the ball on this one.

>>188000669
you can tell this is the real dark god beacuse of his digits and linguistic specality

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This is a bad thread and I hope OP dies in a chemical fire and suffers for his sins.

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Interdasting.

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What the fuck

>>188004125
What's so absurd about an orc warrior on d3? I get them all the time.

Actual darkgod here. I'm working on implementing baguette mechanics. It should be in the game soon!

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>>188004125
Isn't D:3 fun?

>>188004618
Xom roars with laughter!

>>188004818
i splatted on a chaos knight earlier because i accidentaly hit a bush and they all exploded

What the hell is "gameplay depth?"

>>188005447
the number of vertical levels in the dungeon
angband has 127 so it is a good game
crawl only has 15+5+5, plus some side branches and portals to other planes, so it is a bad game
cataclysm is an extra bad game because you spend most of your time at a gameplay depth of 0

>>188005607
ToME has the superior number of floors

>>188005820
no
you start at ground level and then go down into each dungeon separately, so the lowest level is like 9 floors down in dreadfell
High Peak isnt even depth it's height

>>188005607
Pandemonium has infinite floors, so Crawl is the greatest game that has ever existed.

>>188006073
pandemonium has no gameplay depth because you are using portals and not staircases
theyre probably all at the same height

>>188006060
its called the infinite dunggeon, semanticsfag. infinite>127. also the rune system is the only good part of stone soup, dont hate it for that, hate it because its character building is shallow

>>188005820
tome is gay

>>188007194
So am I

>>188007194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcxal9VAFww

what do you faggots do other than roguelikes

>>188011338
I have been jacking off into syringes and inseminating chicken eggs and play roguelikes while my homonculi gestate

>>188011338
Making homonculi as well.

>>188011338
I made a subterranean dungeon grid filled with homonculi. It turns out different eggs yield different results.

>>187993641
No what do you mean?

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wtf is wrong with you niggas

>>188012239
omg I won't to get fucked in the ass by him so hard

>>188011338
I tried to make a heteroculus with my semen but it turned out female and all females are inherently bisexual.

>>188012782
enlighten us senpai

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Hooray! Super intense, would recommend.

>>188013671
I don't know what is going on but melee with 150hp doesn't sound pleasant

I can't figure out how to not fail miserably as Occultist in IA. I inevitably get swarmed and surrounded before getting enough Spirit to actually cast any good spells I might find. Not only that, but the few times I did get anywhere, Keziah Fucking Mason always, ALWAYS fucks me over by teleporting off into the corridor I'd need to use to flee from the nearby swarm and causing me to die without actually doing anything.

What does /rlg/ think about Desktop Dungeons?

Today I grinded my music skill in iRL

>>188015737

Vine Stalkers have innate spirit shield, and their bites sometimes refill your MP, so they're a lot more durable than what their meager HP implies.

>>188011338
I write, get published occasionally.

shoot me

>>188024734
with my dick

>first game: so much rain that I just stopped taking off the raincoat
>second game: autumn, 2 funnels out, still have to completely rely on raiding toilets
So this is the power of realistic weather simulation.

>>188025147
>raiding toilets
You can just make a well after a while if you are really unlucky with water sources

>>188025235
Thanks. Still need 1 more skill for that, I should stop ignoring the construction menu.

How in the world are you supposed to get a Ring race off the ground in PCB? Apparently my magic missile doesn't scale with levels so I have to somehow get deep enough to find rings with a single 2d6 spell?

>>188025749
Never mind apparently they learn poison dart naturally at level 15. That must be new last time I played Ring you had to find every spell.

So my MiBe just got an executioners axe of holy wrath in zot. Will this allow him to clean up hell?

>>188027106
Yes, you can clear everything with that

>>188027240
awesome, I always was too scared to go extended, but this looks really promising. Too much loot to not at least try

>>188027465
Even if exec axe wasnt branded holy, you could still clear everything pretty much
When i say everything, i mean pan + hell + tomb, not just zot or whatever

Is it likely to splat in extended or are you safe as long as you play slow?

>>188028132
If youre careful, theres minimal chance to die in extend unless you drop/run into hellion island, get shitty random events in one of the branches in hell or get titan'd pretty much, apart from that, the more careful and slow you play, your chances of surviving are higher

>>188027465
You're gonna die.

>>188028132
>>188027465
>playing DCSS
extended is shit

>>188025147
Ouch. Even if I don't stumble across a river, I can usually find a swimming pool or something.

Is the real darkgod still here? You seem to be pretty good with money, and I recently inherited a respectable amount from my parents. What should I do with my money?

>>188031000
Pay indian programmers to build a shitty casual roguelite for $200 and put it on steam

Bump for Qud

>Trying to enjoy some quality ROGUELIKES
>Can hear faggots from my dorm screeching from the football field

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There are so many games that I can't even choose what I want.

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Who else is looking forward to tentacle rape: the update?

>>188037930
it's DLC so no one
can't wait for the tentacle rape class to be even more OP than archmage

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>Tangledeep final boss finished
>Only 3 months till out of EA and the only things left before it's finished are lore and one more job
Where were you when kusoguelike players got BTFO?

Kudos, /rlg/. This is worse than Vanilla Bagel.

I haven't been here for a while. Did CDDA dethrone DCCS?
Any worthwhile news recently?

>>188040135
>CDDA
>shit openworld zombie survival with no real goal
>barely even a roguelike
Crawl is shit but really nigger?

>>188040135
It's the time of /rlg/ where games like PCB,CDDA, and Elona get played while people shitpost about whatever's new on the horizon. Then the universe rectifies this by releasing a new update for DCSS.

>apparently maxed out the level for my current mimic form
>of course the game doesn't actually tell you this unless you shuffle through the three screens of stats about your form
What a waste of exp.

Is there ever any real reason to take the Draconian ability that turns you into an actual Dragon or is it a pointless gimmick option?

how do I escape the polypiling rut of IVAN?

>>188035790
put on some RPG music or look up 'fantasy radio' on the internet, fits really well to most roguelikes

>>188040135
just shitpost about tangledeep. Don't look it up, just shitpost about it

>>188041838
Rule of cool
yellow mage stacking wizardry
surely there are other times when it might be nice, and it's not like the other bonuses are very useful either

>>188041838
it would be cool if you could shout louder as a real dragon

>>188041838
From what I've tried, the best one is ninja by far and even then it's more like least sucky.

>>188025235
or just steal a tankful of water from the public pool every couple of months

>>188025749
a lot of your damage comes from the mount you ride, so pick something with good melee
once you get your charm spell at 15 you can go wrangle a lizard king who will do you well for a while

also no ring spells scale with level, instead they scale with number of copies eaten.
there's enough rings of archery with Magic Arrow (not magic missile) that you'll probably end up with it doing more damage than Mana Bolt for 1/4th the cost.

>>188041838
if you happen to have already found all three rings of power plus the one ring and the ring of destruction, you can get pretty hueg damage from the dice boosts. plus you'll actually have enough ring slots to use all of them

but nobody has multiple rings of power by cl35
rarely does anyone have ONE ring of power by cl35

>>188045107
someday I will remove you from the face of the earth, magic arrowshill

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seriously though ring lategame spell damage is so bad holy shit
here's a cl50 ring from 5.0.5 that i think i have yet to actually fight serpent with (and probably never will because save compatibility lol)

note that my biggest two spells are 253 and 234 damage, not counting starball and wotg which can theoretically hit higher i guess

seriously that guy's offense was so bad that i fought most enemies through the strategy of "dominate lich-> wait for lich to summon undead-> rely on infinite cycle of lichessummoningliches while hiding around a corner"
that strategy couldn't do very well against summoning-focused enemies though

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Never played a golem before.

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>thieves quest reward for maulers is a long sword

>>188047610
that must have broken, i swear i remember getting a good mauler weapon from wargquest and i think some bots from thieves

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This is my favourite thing to do to Pikel.
>enslave Pikel
>his slaves all turn on him and overpower him

>doubled my damage by getting an ogrillion body
Starting with like 14 str was a mistake.

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>let's give an invisible monster with erratic movement and passwall the chance to drain your dex every time he hits
>and let's make it spawn at depth 10

If it wasn't for the retarded device skill bug I'd waste my time more efficiently than this

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10

The tummy dancer dances.

>>188055391
Even in this state of decay, this is still a terrible in-joke.

Is there any reason why zombies destroy cars so much? Is this just to fuck with you?

>>188057145
they break everything in their path to you I am certain
the truest MiBes the world has ever seen

>>188059043
Nah, even when they dont see you, they just form big gangbangs around cars, destroying your hopes and happiness

In IVAN what all can I do with a wand of mirroring? Does mirroring scrolls of charge pay off or am I retarded in thinking this will work?

>>188059350
they're attracted to noise, including the noise created by other zombies smashing things

so if it starts out with a working engine or car alarm or something and manages to attract even one zombo, it'll be able to become a self-perpetuating zombie gangband

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i don't get it

>>188060768
There is a (pretty low) chance to get a wish whenever you drink from a well. If your pet does it you still get the wish.

>>188059981
How in the world is there no gangband variant?

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>>188060956
I don't know what to wish for, but whatever.

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>>188061374

>>188061374
on the right wall is that a DCSS cloak?

>>188061374
seven league boots are always a good choice

>>188061579
yes because DCSS has a shitty open source license

>Icecoons """arsenal"""
>adds 3 variations of the same gun

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>>188061601

>>188037930
cant wait to drop some acid rain on nigguhs

>>188062172
blown the fuck out nigger

>>188062172
uncursing and fixing the material is trivial, enjoy your booties

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>>188062172

>cant choose between sorting my guns by type or by ammo used
Life is hard

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How would you handle this? They haven't noticed me yet.
I kinda want their stuff, so I don't want to just burn them with molotov. I only have an unmodded RV, it's not very good at roadkilling.

>>188064915
Anything with splash damage is probably going to fuck up their loot. Maybe see if you can find a technical on the side of the road and use the mounted turret to get as many as you can. Don't forget to drink/toke/wank beforehand so you can offset the moral penalties.

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>>188064663
Sort it by ammo, because ammo availability is going to dictate what weapons you use for most of the game.

What I do is put my ammo on the ground in columns, with 1 empty space between the columns. The guns that use that ammo type go into that empty space. Also unload every gun including magazines and throw all the magazines into one big pile, so you can quickly see if you have some extra mags to take with you.

>>188064915
>How would you handle this?
I would run away
or
I would kill them all in a 1/2 tiles chokepoints

Depends if you can fight or not yet

>>188065151
>moral penalties
Actually, we're probably past that. Worry about the morale penalties.

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wow

>>188065380
Acid will fuck you up, run and go back on level 10.

>>188065179
Why is there so much different ammo, its going to take too much place

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>>188065468
I like the music in this.

>>188065706
I like the variety.
Also auto fire is brutal in this game, not like in other games where they nerf the damage of individual bullets. So even midgame when single shot 9mm or .22 guns become not so great, when you find that .22 SMG or 9mm MP5 they become viable again.

>>188065706
My only concern that I can't sort my weapons like this in my RV, so I end up leaving most of my guns behind on my base where I can neatly display them.
Maybe I should just build a 10x10 mobile base.

I tried cloning a scroll of charge in IVAN and it cloned everything but the scroll. What gives?

>>188065179
>on the ground
>not living in a car and keeping all your worldly possessions in the trunk

>>188067371
I have an RV, but there's not enough room to neatly organize stuff.

>>188068231
>not making a giant 9x9 floating piece of shit in the river to store all your loot in

>>188068301
Why a river?

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Okay, he's way more annoying with the free action changes.

>>188069265
>alt+f4

>>188069265
muh shekels

So is tangledeep bad or has nobody played it and everyone is shitposting on it?

>>188070205
Both.

>>188070205
I played it and it's bad.

>>188070205
It's fun.

If I made a Shadow Draconian with the vampiric branding talent and hit myself with a Death Scythe would I leech my own HP or is that not how it works?

>>188071058
>fun
not a roguelike

>>188071151
you probably wouldn't because death scythe self-hits are a big giant special case rather than normal attack code

also vampirism only heals you for a small portion of the damage done so even if it worked you'd still be killing yourself pretty fast

>>188071151
I don't think it's possible to use it safely at all. You can still hit yourself even if you throw it, duelists can still hit themselves, swordmasters can't use it, it goes through invulnerability and wraithform.

The best is probably something like a klackon berserker, but you'd probably still kill yourself.

>>188073506
klackon racial power is just stonestick but it dumps your magic save into the shitter

or did you pick them because the aren't affected by any of the scythe's slays? I would've thought they'd count as animals

>Play MiBe, it'll teach you how the game works!
>o+tab with occasional evocations teaches you how the game works

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>>188073996

>>188073962
>I would've thought they'd count as animals
Yeah, I missed them in the list (though klackon are the ant people, not the ones you're thinking of).

Android is the highest hp race that isn't susceptible to a slay.

>>188073996
WHEN I'M, FACED DOWN

I HOLD O

AND I TAB OUT TO THE TRUTH

SEEKING TO SEIZE, MY FIRST 3 RUNE WIN

>>188074437
plus andriod gets like 5 free levels just for wielding the scythe

>>188074437
Though on second though I'm not sure they can get to level 50 while wearing the death scythe. Not like any of this matters.

I thought CDDA NPCs were *slightly* bugged, but jesus christ this is ridiculous.
90% of them just auto explode, most of the missions they gave were also broken.

>>188077174
Since I can't do their missions anyway, does it break anything if I just wipe out this camp I found?

New dcss sucks.
How hard is it to code back all removed fun features?

>>188064915
Tac nuke, you did make sure to start with computers right? or you could just use fire, a nade or a mininuke but that isn't as fun

>>188082304
Fire would burn their gear, though.
I started with 0 in every skill like a man.
I could just pull them in little packs and kill them with a bow even, or small arms.

How good are traps? Will a few spike pits make some difference?

>>187992996
Wait a minute Adom sucks though

>>188084167
you know what game dosent suck?

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i should play some roguelikes so i have something to bump with other than anime

>>188087809
No

>>188091726
this one -->

>>188011713
>>188011794
>>188011956
>>188012418

cum is NOT a roguelike

>tfw no homunculus roguelike

>sludge crawler regenerates faster than you can damage him with shotgun headshots
Is this retarded mob from one of the mods, or baseline?

>>188094000
Technically the main game, but it basically never spawns and when it does it's out in the swamp or somewhere else pointless.

That it is actually doing something is almost certainly a mod thing.

>>188094619
It was in a house's basement, probably one of the new buildings mods put it there.
In the end I grabbed my Tommy gun from the car and it died to a full auto burst.
I guess it's basically immune to single shot weapons, just have to bring it down in a single turn.

>>188092259
my loads satisfy the berlin interpretation

>>188097293
they certainly don't satisfy your wife, though

>>188099343
>his wife

>>188099343
they satisfy your wife, mother, sister and favorite roguelike dev

Maybe we can push for realistic ejaculation mechanics in the next release of CDDA

>>188040452
>It's the time of /rlg/ where games like PCB,CDDA, and Elona get played
The best kind of /rlg/

>>188077174
Are you playing cucked builds?

>>188040135
it works as intended my friend

>>188074437
Androids, being unliving, don't benefit from vampirism though. So it checks out.
Honestly finding a niche combo that can use the scythe would be pretty game-breaking. What about scythemasters?

>>188108571
polearm-masters can go wraithform to halve all incoming damage (death realm has the same thing) but i'm not sure if the scythe pierces that
samurai Musou stance also halves incoming damage. im not sure if skillmasters get the stances or just the kendo but it might be possible to get some death/kendo/polearms combo

>>188110732
>but i'm not sure if the scythe pierces that
It does. I remember a very funny death on the ladder of a wraithform gray mage wielding the death scythe and just killing himself with -1500/1000 HP.
Skillmaster might be worth a try. I remember throwing the death scythe doesn't hurt you, but it does fuckall damage so it's not worth it.

>>188111006
actually chris nerfed that, thrown deathscythes still kill you now

>>188111006
I think life magic's transcendence (redirects damage to mp first) should work, though I'm not sure if any class that has any business wielding a death scythe can get enough mp to matter.

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Ents count only as living, I think, so they could benefit from using it and the vampirism without the slays.
Also fairies, but they have really shallow hp pools so fuck that.
Archons, being angels and not demons, should also be untouched.
Tonberries don't count as humans, so they can use it too. Tonberry would actually be a really solid choice, considering they get very little blows without the slays you'd actually be able to heal you every time you hit yourself.

Tonberry monk of life?

>>188111650
>-1500/1000 HP
i dont think any classes have 2500 total hp+mp

>>188111806
He was buffed to hell and back. Usually they just do 1000+ with slays and stay at around 700/800 regular.

>monks can't use weapons
A priest then. Or a skillmaster.

>>188111925
Maybe a cavalry with a kirin could soak up some damage

>>188112196
It does have the riding tag, but not having healing spells really really sucks because then you have to grind for pots.

I'm gonna test run a regular tonberry with a regular death scythe.

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So far so good.

!Healing drop rate has been increased several times over the past few versions. It's pretty fine now.
The main issue is midgame healing (i.e. when you first reach DL50 and have to start inhaling stacks of !CCW after phase dooring away).

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Looks like there's some kind of retaliation aura when monsters move from one square from you to the one right next to you.
I'm unsure whether this triggers the scythe but it probably should.

>>188112309
Tonberries are... animals, I guess. In any case they are in the group with the biggest multiplier.

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>Your scythe returns to you!
It hit me once, which makes me think it's only one hit at worst, but it did do the average death scythe damage (800) and left me with 300 HP.
also the retaliation works like sil's flanking more or less.

So the retaliation is only one hit, I guess and maybe the second hit was to the serpent? More study is required.
>>188113194
Checked with monster lore, they don't. I'd have been dead if I had been.

>>188113361
"your scythe returns to you!" happens whenever you miss
if you miss 5 blows in a row you hit yourself 5 times

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Managed to do 1800 damage with a single hit to the serpent and only hit myself again once before. This was corroborated by the sil flanking ability, so one hit went to the serpent in any case, but the first hit when the death scythe returned went to me. I think this might actually be a quite doable thing. Too bad weaponmasters can't heal themselves.

Died by being surrounded, I'll try a tonberry psion later.

>>188113552
I missed and didn't hurt myself before, so that can't be a sure thing, it's probably a chance? Or maybe the reaping ability blocks the ability to get hit? I missed while using that.

>>188113636
hey psion with foresight can probably get a ~70% chance to dodge his own scythe if he gives up on taking a good level50 spell like disruption
or maybe it's closer to 50%, i dont really know

>>188113753
So basically the most OP combo can use the most OP item semi-reliably.
I like it.

>throw three mustard gas grenades into viceroy's house
>his guards get btfo from gas and from summoned whip women things from the forbidden pleasure deity
>one of them can solo the giant plant mother & all of her adds alone but two of them can't kill the viceroy while he suffocates on mustard gas
rly maeks u thingk huh

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>>188116156
>optional boss surrounded by guards that can kill you alone is stronger than the boss you *have* to defeat in order to leave the starting dungeon

Wow. Who'd have thought.
I appreciate your IVAN posts thought anon. Keep it up.

>>188116792
I can see how he got the position. The man must have inhaled mustard gas since birth to resist those clouds. Also he killed me by kicking me in the groin. I'm not the least bit disappointed in this game, 10/10

>>188116889
mustard gas kills you slowly but surely if he stands in the cloud for several minutes, which is why it can even kill the arch priest if you leave him be. But if he just breathes two whiffs he's gonna shrug them just fine.

hi

Can someone share the latest version of Caves of Qud? I want to try the new Cybernetics the goons put in.

>>188123838
>implying qud is a game

>>188124161
i really dont care what it is, i just want to try the new feature. Thats it.

>>188124161
not even I, darkgod, can save this thread from page 10 with my superior roguelike

>>188124161
please somebody get the qud developer in here too or send him screenshots. I want to see some beef here

Objective Roguelike Dev Tier List

God Tier:
The Amy
Biskup
darkgod
Minmay

High Tier:
Crawldev non-sjws (Marvin, PF etc)
Zircon
Coolthulhu
Other tome4 devs

Mid tier:
IAdev
Kyz
Kornel
SJW crawldevs
CDDA team

Shit tier:
Nethack dev
Brogue dev
Chris
Elona dev
Qud goons
The faggot who made Dredmor and introduced this good genre to so many dumb normalfags

>>188126107
>Minmay
>Zircon
literally who?
>Kyz
you should

>>188126107
>talking shit about the Nethack team
Izchak died for your sins.

>>188126107
You forgot to add the Cogmind dev in the shit tier.

>>188126362
why are goons always behind the development of shitty paid roguelikes? first qud, now cogmind and then this tangledeep shit

>>188126521
leftist religion of endless jewry

>>188126521
>>188126712
Its /rlg/'s job to kick the devs that even put a slight price on their game (lets exclude Cogmind from this since it is jew faggotry) and glorify the ones that are freeloading scrubs that have no real life because they are heroes of someones perception.

It is highly possible that /rlg/ are just bunch of freeloading scrubs that have no real life. Or thats just a fallacy.

>>188127221
never pay for a video game

If you have to pay for it, it's not art. It's a product.
No exceptions

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Tonberry blood knight gets pretty crazy near death.
It's the near death part that's really tricky.

>>188127368
Ill pay for a game but only because i dont have to pay for sex.

>>188127221
most of /rlg/ has pirated cogmind and tangledeep and they're still shit stealth sims though

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Note to self: 1500 damage against others is still 1500 damage against yourself.

>>188126107
>Crawldev non-sjws (Marvin, PF etc)

PleasingFungus? That guy is peak SJW, familius.

Also

>God Tier
Sil devs

>Shit Tier
Sil devs (after having children)

>>188128280
Natalism: not even once

>>188127816
scary

>>188128514
>>188128280

don't worry

in 18 years, he'll start developing 1.4 again

>>188126107
IAdev is at least high tier, but I would put him god tier personally.

I might be biased because I like ony play his game though

>>188131250
iadev put your trip back on before posting

>>188131890
no bully, lad

>>188107446
coolthulu, but I don't think it has any npc fixes

>>188127221
Roguelikes used to be free. That was part of the free software/Unix ethos.

Then Biskup came along and fucked that up, and now every dev makes a closed source/pay roguelike.

Ironically, the games that people actually play in any kind of numbers are all open source/free.

>>188133378
What is the problem with commercial roguelikes? If they mean higher quality, players who want that can buy it. If not, don't buy it, problem solved.

>>188133575
My issue is that the genre got where it was by all the games being free, which got more devs developing more free games. And now we have a generation of devs who played all the free games, and instead of creating their own roguelikes and working with others to develop them, thought, "Nah, imma get mine," and made closed source games that died the moment they lost interest.

Dredmor, Cardinal Quest, etc, I'm looking at you.

>When you want to make a game, but have no art skills so you have to make a roguelike

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>>188133575
>If they mean higher quality
They don't. They just mean tiles.

>>188134412
Tangledeep IS the highest quality roguelike to date. Having much better art and music assets because it has an actual budget is just a side effect.

>>188134240
>When you want to make a game, but have no game design skills so you have to make a roguelike

>>188135332
>when you have no game design skills, so you make any game in any genre, because 99% of all games are badly designed

>>188135539
But he's right. Roguelikes are fundamentally flawed like >>188135332 says because they generally rely on just having permadeath rather than actually creating content to engage with. Even the longest roguelike, ToME, only has around 10 hours of actual content.

>>188135730
>using permadeath instead of creating content

This logic in fundamentally flawed.
As an analogy, look at multiplayer games. League of legends for example. Many people have over 1000 hours in this game, when theoretically you could "win" it in half an hour. Do these game use multiplayer as an alternative for creating content?

Can you somehow suppress the yes/no prompts in CDDA for while, so tilling soil and harvesting doesn't take 3 times as many keypresses?

>>188136039
why would you ever use an ASSFAGGOTS game as an example of good game design?

>>188136154
You can till faster by grabbing a hoe and just 'A'ctivating it, but mass harvest will still require prompts. If you want to be an oat satan, you need to have genuine autism.

>>188136221
only game I can think of that gets played so much. You can take any only game without story progression outside of the short matches though

>>188136256
>but mass harvest will still require prompts
Im pretty sure vehicle parts for tilling/harvesting were implemented at some point. I dont think you can craft them though, gotta raid farms.

10

I'm going to make a roguelike.

IN JAVA

>>188136256
>be an oat satan
Alright that's pretty funny

>>188141443
Do it faggot. Make a JAVA roguelike that would make these autists proud. I don't care that you are joking, do it.

Do you have any legitimate criticisms against Tangledeep other than it not being FOSS?

>>188141642
Alright, I'll get started once I'm done with this semester and actually know what I'm doing

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Death or glory!

>>188143513
#mount your horse until it works!

>>188142372
Godspeed, faggot

>>188142036
it's too hard for me
t. pirated the game

>>188142036
It has graphics therefore it's not a roguelike.

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>>188123838
Whatever, here.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ohcdzdoefc5h6z4/Caves+of+Qud.7z

Clean Steam files though, might need steamapi.dll shenanigans.

Why are roguelikes the only genre that Japs can't do better than westerners at?

>>188146919
Shooters, grand strategy, CRPG, dotalikes, and real time strategy are four others I can name which the Japanese neither consistently design, nor play better than westerners.

>>188146919
Elona is peak roguelike

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>>188147373
>Elona
>Roguelike
Even if it was, that pitiful nip grinding simulator couldn't beat the original.

ADoM is not a roguelike either.

>>188146134
Thanks man.

>>188146919
It is strange, Japs should have developed a super godlike RNG by now. I guess they only do things that actually have meaning in life. Like anime.

>>188147373
good meme.

>>188147234
>real time strategy
>grand strategy
m8, the nips can't do strategy games for shit. Literally the west dominates every genre in the strategy game category.
>RTS
>RTT
>GS
>TBS
>TBT
>4X
>Wargames

The only strategy genre where the japs give some competition to the west is SRPG and even then they are outclassed by the likes of XCOM and JA2.

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Cool commit

>nightblade has a free 11 points of stealth and rogue backstabs
Like half the fun of mimics is finding these weird monster features.

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(G)enocide can't happen soon enough

>>188149064
CDDA itself is boring with no goal.

But imagine CDDA in multiplayer... bunch of teams building their bases, rading each other, trading... wearing stupid fur. Now that i would play. Or CDDA battle royale. mmm.

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>dismount your hose
>it immediately starts biting guards

I wasn't prepared for that to happen, this horse is a prick

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>>188151138
>horse prick

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What.

>>188151454
Are you playing a spider warlock?

There's a lack of 2 hour long analyses for roguelikes on youtube.

Someone needs to fix that.

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Can't wait until this thing starts trying to fight shopkeepers too

>>188141443
beat you to it

https://emmsii.itch.io/forest-roguelike

>>188151582
Nope.

Apparently it's because using excalibur jr against 'S' monsters does half damage.

>>188150930
CataMUD would be a fucking nightmare and you know it

>>188154397
>CataMUD
It's called HELLMOO and yes, it is.

In ADOM, is there any reason not to set your tactics to Coward if you're going to do anything but attack this turn?
Shouldn't it just happen automatically if that's the case?

>>188154931
HellMOO is a masterpiece and four entire orders of magnitude greater than CataDDA so don't ever compare the two EVER again.

hellmoo is a trainwreck, the admins are cheating bastards who favor sides and the culture is so endemic it makes north korea look like a melting pot of friendship
also muds are a deader genre than rougelikes

>>188157924
>the admins are cheating bastards
They are technically the pantheon of the game so it would make sense. Name one (1) time God ever played fair or didn't choose sides throughout human history.
>also muds are a deader genre than roguelikes
Unfortunately you are correct in this

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>attack a lone hunting horror
>it summons a single byakhee
>hit it again
>byakhee calls in two uniques and fills the screen with Us
That escalated quickly.

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>log into dcss
>see somebody who has just entered Hell/Pan
>150k+ turns

How do people waste so many turns before going there?

>>187993741
uncucked?

>>188158310
>attack a summoner in an open room
What a noble sacrifice!

>>188158310
>attack a lone hunting horror
fault if I ever heard of it

>>188158310
rip...
should have used stone to mud for the anti summoning corridor

>>188158684
Was he a follower of Chei?

>>188135730
>good game design is "having more content"
Kill yourself my man

>>188158684
Turn count to hell/pan/tomb really depends on which combination of god, race and species you play

>>188146919
japs can't make roguelikes
every time they try to they end up adding some kind of character vault or meta progression BS and somehow manage to make it so the only actual roguelike part of the game is a 500 floor postgame dungeon that you can only access after beating the final boss

>>188159513
used to be mostly fine in earlier versions of poschengband

all those chump tabfodder melee-only demons with 11% chance to cast a spell would almost never summon, and when they did it would just be a pack of equal or lower-level chump tabfodder demons

>>188161824
>11% chance to get fucked
Too high in a game as grindy as pcb

>>188162105
it's 11% chance to get fucked now
beforehand it was 11% chance to get a few bonus clubber demons that you could literally just ignore

>>188161824
what was the actual change to summons in 7.0.0?

>>188160082
Tic Tac Toe is good game design

i desire permanent death

>collect short ropes from seatbelts
>spend 48h straight disassembling into threads
Now I should be ok for a while

>>188166260
You can also close windows and tear down the curtains, they give long strings which make 6 short strings each. And sheets which give like 20 rags.

>>188161474
>>188160043

Chei aside, I think that taking 150k+ turns to get to hell/pan/tomb is silly.

i like to imagine cddafags going into some room for the first time, say the living room at some pal's place they're over at for the first time, and just imagining exactly how much raw material they could salvage from the visible contents

>>188167024
Yeah I know, you get way more thread for one seatbelt than one curtain though
But my favorite is cattails from swamps, you get flour and thread at the same time

Does anyone have the old barehanded mummy challenge picture?

>>188134412
wheres my damn transmet roguelike?

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>>188167783

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>when your puppy whom you diligently fed ommel bones to finally dies in a fiery explosion
fuck this damn game

So, playing Sil,I just discovered that Grotesque, while I have always treated them as a silly gimmick bag of xp, are in fact an act of pure dev evil when you're not a fighter.

I'm entombed unless I destroy my lantern because it's blocking the only doorway. Then I have to escape it in the dark.

>>188167090
Its not just about chei, it depends on the race and background as well a lot

>>188169270
Or I could fault like a retard and ignore bleeding while on one HP instead of quaffing.

>>188168410
we need a ToME version of this

>>188169697
Madness
no inscriptions
Alchemist

>>188168410
Which is the game where all these memes come from? ADOM? PCB? DCSS?

>>188170214
that game is definitely adom, i dont know how you could post in this thread and not recognize it

>>188170324
I only really play Elona, CDDA and ToME.
I'm not even trying to troll.
I tried DCSS as a necromancer? and died on the second floor from skeletons immune to my spells that I couldn't kill in melee either because I was stuck with a cursed -1 dagger, since then I stayed away from any of the "real" roguelikes.

>>188170728
>I'm not even trying to troll.
Some people are just talented.

>>188170728
play mibe like the pros

>>188170135
you cant heal without inscriptions tho

>>188171530
Looks like somebody needs to praise the sun.
Besides, there's no such thing as health on Madness.

>>188169697
Antimagic Dwarf Archmage is probably the closest you could get.

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Lewd.

>>188169270
Unequipped lantern dont give light, even if you had no space in your inventory or cant drop it surely you had something less important to get rid off

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>>188158310
It keeps happening.

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Uh
What's this
Is this as useless as the one in labs?

>>188173690
I realized that after my post-splat review. The whole situation was a non-issue if I'd been less of a dumbass.

>>188171530
just startscum for an anorithil escort

>>188174870
It's the same. Do you consider teleport sicknesses and extraplanar infestations useless, anon?

>>188175571
>startscum
You might as well us the mod that lets you pick your first escort and save yourself the time and bother.

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>>188133378
>Then Biskup came along and fucked that up, and now every dev makes a closed source/pay roguelike.

I seriously don't know if this was a good thing or not. On one hand, people realized that people were willing to pay money for roguelikes, hence more devs got interested in developing them. On the other hand, it could potentially draw away devs from open source projects in the search for more shekels, and the monetized projects could always end up being casualized to appeal to roguelite fags.

I don't blame Biskup though since there has always been a free version of ADOM.

>>188176764
>it could potentially draw away devs from open source projects in the search for more shekels
This happens anyway. PleasingFungus is releasing a commercial puzzle game on Steam, and if the rest of crawl devs were planning something similar it would be explain why no one devs crawl any more. We live in a capitalist society and people have to make money.

>>188177674
>PleasingFungus is releasing a commercial puzzle game on Steam

No big loss there. All he's really done is change monster genders and remove "problematic" monster descriptions.

>>188178032
Also Barachians, the majority of new spells since .15, the Desolation of Salt...

most importantly of all, looking like a total goober in that group photograph from the roguelike devs meetup

>>188176764
>draw devs away from open source projects
How is this a bad thing? Making your roguelikes open source gets you shit like Odyssey of the Summoner, Slashem Extended, and Animeband. Do you really want shit like that as part of your game's reputation?
>casualized to appeal to roguelite fags
That isn't how it works at all. Every good roguelike on Steam right now (tome, adom, tangledeep) designs around permadeath first and then adds casual features because there is literally no reason not to widen your audience.
But of course, /rlg/ is going to continue to be full of self-obsessed autists that don't understand that people who aren't living off wellfare should be compensated for their work, and that games should have a wider audience than the 60 /rlg/ posters here now.

>>188179643
biskup's face was consistently the best part of that event, he looked like he'd seen some shit during his presentation

What's generally a good place to grind for gear in poschengband?

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>>188180380
555

>>188180380
Killing wyrms in Dragon's Lair.

Try not to fault.

>>188178689
Okay fine, then we monetize DCSS.