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>Didn't keep an eye on the entry hole
>>187840393

>READ ME BEFORE POSTING, IF YOU'RE NEW
https://pastebin.com/Txe190aw

>Character Planner
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/
http://soulsplanner.com/

>DARK SOULS 3
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u8Mak1goSv4g73g16XsWV4sJelDQUatWkP2kcO6GVAA/pub
>Full Soundtrack
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B66vvDQ_rAMyS29wdTR6ajZsczQ
>Useful PvP data
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eKXbdEr6jnTG5DcMQX2qcMlsmYQ8hO6Sl3-sySYpHR4/pub

>DARK SOULS 2
https://pastebin.com/FiDXYjfs

>DARK SOULS
https://pastebin.com/Rtb5w9yS

>DEMON'S SOULS
https://pastebin.com/tehcGm75

>BLOODBORNE
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sItpr6PHpoEiFbtFIBtPO4UNeNEpxuztHteANTJRHDU/edit#heading=h.od90ylbez0rz
Bloodborne discussion is welcome here, but you'll get more help in their general: >>>/vg/bbg

>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3

>COMMUNITY
Discord (READ THE README BEFORE JOINING): https://discord.gg/C3AX2Hk
Player list: https://pastebin.com/9hG50KHX
Steam group: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DarkSoulsGeneral
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first for dex is gay
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>>187937152
Anon?
For Name Engraved Ring, what god...?
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>>187938074
nehma
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>>187938018
STR is for people who are insecure about their masculinity.
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>/v/ is bullying Dark Souls 2 again

>>>/v/388946956
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>>187938165
Who cares about /v/?
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>>187938092
Down in front of the chest.
I hope you can get me...
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>>187938165
They're correct.

DS2 is fucking garbage.

It's the only Souls game that I couldn't even be bothered to finish.
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>>187938302
No luck. But i already got summoned a few times anyway so i'm alri 4 now
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Fucking hell, he's ALMOST qt.
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>>187938165
>/v/tards recommending DS3 without playing any of the previous games
As expected of subhumans with shit taste.
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How come there are no waifus in 3?
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>>187938639
I've beaten the game many times, but he always startles me once or twice per playthrough.

That area is cool in SotFS. I like what they did with the dragon knights.
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>>187938639
>tfw you'll never have a smol Aldia making you question your motives for doing things like shitposting and procrastininating
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>>187938165
>mini-/b/ having shit taste
So, business as usual.
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>>187939084
These guys make terrible guards.
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>>187939303
They're ok with you as long as you kill the Drakekeeper Knights first
They even let you plunder the castle
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>>187939303
Watch their behavior before the Drakekeeper comesat you. They're not normal guards.
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>>187939059
Therw is Firekeeper, the blind miracle waifu, Karla, Anri, the loli from Ariandel and Lothric <3.

>>187938165
Don't bother with /v/, half of them are dumb and the other half is falseflagging.
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>>187939059
there is literately a pile of them
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>>187939303
They're not guards, they're testing you.
They're Dragon Knights, members of the Dragon Remnants covenant. You know what the dragon covenants from DS1 and DS2 are about? 1vs1 honorable duels. If you summon, or run past the Drakekeepers, knights will attack you.
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>>187939303
I love that Primordial Serpent sheild desu
So glad it got into the game
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>>187939570
Heh
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>>187939570
Why is his corpse so gigantic compared to his DS1 self
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FUCKING PONTIFF KNIGHTS
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>>187938470
DeS is a fast food burger, tasty but will make you sick if you eat too many of them.

DS1 is a good-looking tasty sandwich that falls apart every time you try to eat it, messy and sloppy but good.

DS2 is an ugly, gross-looking sandwich that tastes great once you get past the first few bites

DS3 is a beautiful sandwich that you find out is made of plastic and is just there for the photos

BB is a premium expensive fancy burger, it's only downside is that burgers taste better when they're cheap.
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>>187939439
OHSHIT SON
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>>187940287
roll to the side, not backward, and spam roll 3 times instead of just once

they're shit, awful designed enemies but that at least trivializes their worst attack
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>>187940406
>BB is a premium expensive fancy burger, it's only downside is that burgers taste better when they're cheap.
I would call BB lean beef. Very good quality meat but lacking the fat that gives it lasting flavor.
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>>187940541
Yeah, but the fact that they are like that anyway.
The only way to """fight""" them is to spam roll.
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>>187940703
that's a better comparison, I was thinking about how getting a PS4 makes it not worth the price for most people

maybe:
>BB is an expensive lean burger, tastes great but lacks satisfaction for the price
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>>187936232
not him but those numbers don't match your own link. You used Sharp instead of Refined for longsword.

>longsword
40/40 Refined = 428 / 453 (1h/2h)
66/14 heavy = 408 / 441

>broadsword
40/40 refined = 446 /471
66/14 heavy = 424 / 458

but that's silly because there's no "best infusion" for a weapon unless that weapon is purely str or dex. For everything with more than one kind of infusion, best infusion depends on how many levels you're investing.

Heavy loses effectiveness as total investment grows because it softcaps lower, refined gains effectiveness as total investment grows because it has the highest total scaling.

For most weapons, if you optimize your stats for max damage, refined is the best around 100 level investment (60/60), sharp is the best around 75 level investment (80/16) heavy is the best around 45 level investment (40/16) and raw is the best at 20 level investment (20/20) and below. What changes is how those investments are distributed, so being outside of the best marginal curve (for example, 66/14 stats) usually means slightly less damage unless you're using a weapon that already favors strength scaling before infusion.

Obviously this isn't a hard rule, every weapon's scaling % are slightly different so the exact breakpoints for different infusions will be different, but it tends to hold true because of the softcap differences between str or dex. Str has lower softcaps but lower base scaling, so it's better at lower level investment. Sharp is the opposite. Refined has the highest scaling but lowest base damage and highest softcaps. DeS was the same way, but less balanced/more aggressive with the differences.

it's all just numbers really, DS3 scaling isn't that complicated
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That's one big dog.
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>>187940502
That's one of the best rings in the game. Very low durability to compensate, be careful with corrosive things.
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>>187941526
It be a poochy.
Touch it!
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>>187941526
>dog

Are you daft? That's a dragon.
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>>187941576
Noshit, the suicide bombers on the way to the area had me wanting to commit suicide several times.
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>>187941653
>Dragon
Please, it's obviously a badger.
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>>187941653
>That's a dragon.
he doesn't know
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>>187940957
Not to forget you encounter a group of them at once.
And they say DS2 has worst gank.
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>>187941698
You could skip the entire area and just get straight to the castle by using the zipline next to the bonfire
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>>187941698
>petrification curse all over the kingdom, petrification spewing zombies locked up in prison (bastille)
>arrive at aldia's keep, petrified monsters everywhere
>aldia leads you to dragon aerie
>those petrification zombies are there...

HMMMM. I WONDER WHAT THIS MEANS, ANON.
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>>187941647
Does this mean what I think it does?

>>187941803
I got a rare condition of wanting to explore everything, if I see a crossroad, I literally write it down to get back there.
Occasionally I draw a fucking map to find my way.

>>187941923
Aldia was a lunatic.
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>>187941989
Did you already "talk" to it?
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Don't some curved swords have a slower moveset compared to others...?
If so, what are they?
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>>187941698
Throwing knives are great agaisnt those enemies.
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Does the DLC In SotFS change much in NG+ like the base game does? I'm wondering if it's worth to go through again to see the changes
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>>187942060
I don't know if "talk" is the right word, more of a humming.

>>187942127
I started to appreciate my Crossbow A LOT lately, that's for sure.
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>>187942184
Okay, did you get something from him?
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Painter Loli a cute! CUTE!!!
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>>187942279
Yep, time to find some memories I guess.
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>>187941923
>those petrification zombies are there...
Undead Citizen in Dragon Aerie don't petrify you, though, they're corrosive and break your equipment.
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>>187942446
For the memories, you'll know them when you see them. Look everywhere, because they might show up in places you don't expect.
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>>187942440
Not as cute as you!
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I'll admit, I looked up Power Stancing, and I finally unlocked it.
>No man should be allowed this much power

Sadly I was retarded and didn't check the restriction, literally thought I would be allowed to Power Stance the Smelter Demon Sword, ohwell.

>>187942614
I will later, friend asked to play DaS3, since he haven't completed it yet.
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>>187942909
>literally thought I would be allowed to Power Stance the Smelter Demon Sword
have you played the DLCs?
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So what are some fun Berserk cosplays that aren't Guts or Griffith?

I'm thinking of trying out Farnese
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>>187942987
Nope, just slowly progressing, will try to enter them later. I asked about the fountains after specific Primal Bonfires and were told they were the gates to the DLCs, but I couldn't enter them yet.
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>>187943062
Bazuso
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>>187942909
>literally thought I would be allowed to Power Stance the Smelter Demon Sword
Get 60 Str. Then go into the DLCs.
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>>187943062
THE GREY KNIGHT BAZUSO
EXECUTIONER SET WITH MILLWOOD AXE

>>187942909
Now you can smith weapons twice as good.
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>>187943217
I meant with the Blacksmith's/Craftman's Hammer. Sorry for not being more clear.

>>187943279
Truly I am the mastersmith, I'll slay the others when I plan on going NG+, to prove my worth.
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Just discovered the Dragon Remnants, which areas are good for dragon duelling?
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>>187943585
Iron keep bridge
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>>187942093
card captors
falchion
storm curved sword
shotel
crescent moon sword
carthus shotel
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>>187942093
>>187944010
oh and follower sabre
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>DaS2, can guard break consistently, can't parry with a normal shield
>DaS3, can parry with anything, but can't barely perform a single kick
help
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>>187940957
Only if you don't recognize the startup. Many attacks don't even need you to roll
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>>187941923
Aren't there some petrifying gremlins in Aldia's?
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Anyone else who plays ds1 on pc have a bug where the game bugs out when you're resting at a bonfire? The menu goes away when I press B but my character keeps sitting there and no command works
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>>187944807
kicks are useless in DS3, dont worry about it
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>NG+ Aldia's Keep adds a qt phantom
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>>187944807
Hit the sheild once or twice then kick. Or kick twice. Or wear the horse ass kicker ring.
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>>187945332
They drop Black K***ht weapons and Affinity spells.
Weird drops...
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>Remember I haven't rescued last Milfanito
>Free her, but I can't talk to her
>Remember I accidentally poisoned her when fighting NG+ phantom
>Visit Cromwell for pardon, see this
Cage's open, she can get herself out
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>>187943062
Mozgus kind of (mainly heals and stake, gnaw acceptable)
Serpico (with Ricard's and maybe LWB for herald, storm cs and or tailbone sword for jrpg party)
Boscogn (splitdick)
Big Dick Bazuso (executioner set, maybe exile or winged knight helm and crescent or dragonslayer's axe)
Farnese would be dark war banner and a couple of fire pyromamcies.
>>187946141
And spiders can drop zweis, scythes and Ricard's rapiers.
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how the FUCK do you get past the guardian dragon to ornstein if you've already woken him up ? his breath kills me since I'm trying to get to ornstein at a low level and there's no way I can run fast enough even with a good timing
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>>187946141
>>187946561
>Kobolds are next to Aldia's Keep
>Spiders are in Tseldora's Duke's domain
>They drop weapons
>Both Aldia and Tseldora's Duke did experiment on his subjects
What are the implications of this?
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>>187946890
Stand near the staircase till he does the firebreath that goes from right to left,then just run at the second you can
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>>187946890
Remember Hellkite Dragon? Same thing, make a run for it after he breathes fire.
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>>187941341
>there's no "best infusion" for a weapon
Of course there is.

If an infusion give you a higher AR then it's better for all intents and purposes. You can use a heavy longsword on a STR build but it will be less effective than a refined longsword on a quality build.
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>>187945825 >>187945941
I want to use it as a gesture. maybe I should macro it
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Why were a lot of the thrusts on greatswords removed...?
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>>187946890

obviously way easier if you book it the 1st time (can easily get there before he stands all the way up) but other than that its pretty easy, just get as close as you can away from fire, let him do his thing and make a run for it

or if you feel like being cheesy, pretty sure you can always snipe with arrows.
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>>187948119
What are you talking about?
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So I managed to finally make custom starting classes for DS1 barring few issues.
No face on some of characters pic related, this wasn't an issue in game. I take I miswrote no helm item id.
Spells not showing on others properly, same as above miswrote spell id.

Anyways would it be possible to also edit weapons? I'd like to buff/nerf certain weapons. I don't plan on going online with this at all since the only people still playing DS1 are new players who I could kill with any weapon anyway and laggy bs fishers.
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>>187942146
They make some of the challenge areas even harder if you can imagine.

>NG++ Iron Passage
>red phantom Smelter Giants right before the boss
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>>187948495
DaS3 has a lot of thrusting attacks on greatswords removed.
One handed.
Flamberge had a one handed thrust in 2.
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How did she do that?
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>>187948919
Power stancing the weapons maybe?
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>>187948919
Powerstance, son
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>>187948724
>NG++ Loyse. Red phantoms riding invisible cats.
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>>187948915

The nothrust flamberge pisses me off because it looks like an ideal thrusting weapon
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>>187948474
>or if you feel like being cheesy, pretty sure you can always snipe with arrows.
They knew how players used bows to cheese in the previous game, so he can actually smoke the area below the stairs for the same amount of damage.
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>>187949316
I sniped him with arrows, since I couldn't make a run for it fast enough no matter the timing. He just throws a slow, easy to dodge fireball if you snipe him from down there. Just took a while to do.
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>>187949157
I know. I imagine getting thrusted with one would be very painful with the undulating blade.
All of the greatswords bar Executioner, Firelink, Stormruler, or even Gael's (Which has a fucking thrust) are capable of, and should able to thrust
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>>187949316
There is a point where he never gets you while you safely spam arrows.
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>>187948119
>>187948915
Because they tied the unique WAs of a lot of greatswords to Bastard Sword R2s for some reason. That's why things like Wolnir's, the GSoJ, and TPGS have them. Making them Claymore R2s with CE actually removes their ability to do their WAs.
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>>187949671
So to make them unique, they made them all the same...?
At least a rolling thrust or something different...
Ugh...
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>charged R2 didn't exist until DaS3
I could have sworn they existed since DaS1
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>>187949049
>>187949053
Yeah, she was powerstancing them.
That's a long stunlock combo. Is it just as good for PvP?
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>>187949671
That makes literally no sense. Gael's and Onyx have the clay r2 and they have unique WAs
>>187950083
They started in bb if you count that
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How do you get to the bonfire in the catacombs that you can see through a crack in the cave wall next to the first bridge-turning switch?
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>>187951156
There's an illusory wall next to the second bridge turning switch. If you don't get that bonfire, the only shortcut you have is dropping from cliff to bridge to bridge.
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/dsg/ seems way more relaxed than before: I used to frequent the general right until I finished TRC, and it was a cesspit of cunts. Was it really just all the newfags swarming in after DaS3 released that made me hate this place?
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What weapon upgrade range is good for Soul Level 55?
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>>187952045
yea. /bbg/ has several resident shitposters shitting the place up, maybe they got bored of /dsg/ and moved there instead
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>>187952045
Maybe. Slower threads are almost universally better regardless of topic.
Also, certain tripfags don't hang around anymore, as of late.
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>>187952142
Reminder
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>>187950107
Extremely, there's a reason why Powerstance w/ off-hand Warped Sword is so popular since release.
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>>187952490
Wew
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>>187952490
That has to be ironic....
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>>187952116
Ah, I see. Shame, Bloodborne always seemed cool, just never had a chance at it. Disappointing that there's still a proper divide there.

>>187952142
I didn't want to acknowledge their existence desu.
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abyss watcher is cool but his dodge sucks
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>>187952927
Bloodborne will always have trouble finding a good place because it's so easy to use it as platform-war bait.
In my personal opinion, the best outcome would be for Bloodborne to remerge with /dsg/ but considering the current state of their general, it might be for the best that we remain separate.

Maybe in the future, we will just have a From Software general.
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>>187953090
>DS3 in a nutshell.webm
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Does anyone on xbox have a flamberge they could drop me?
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>>187953090
Can you play as the Dragonslayer Armor?
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>>187953134
>From Software general

What if they end up making a Kancolle game? Would you still want it?
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>>187953134
>From Software general
That makes the most sense (last I checked, /dsg/ allowed King's Field and DeS discussion, even if it doesn't really happen), but it would take a new IP for it to work, I reckon. Too much bad blood at the minute, if you'll forgive the pun.
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Why is the Melu Scimitar so damn good?
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>>187953498
>Melu Scimitar
Damn, I've played the game about 6 times and I've never seen that.
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I'm going to make a spellcaster only build in DS2.
I already got traded the crown that restores spell uses so I shouldn't be too fucked.
I'm aiming for this around the time I get to the castle before the DLC is done.
I'll probably add in some str/dex for a melee weapon for the DLC.

Thoughts on anything I should change?
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Was this good?
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>>187953667
You only get it if you buy the most expensive ladder from Gilligan
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>>187953667
It's the sword you get from Laddersmith Gilligan if you buy his most expensive ladder.
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>>187953573
>I'm aiming for this around the time I get to the castle before the DLC is done.
Aren't you expected to the DLC after the castle anyway?
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>>187953336
Perhaps everything will all join together whenever they announce their new IP. There will most likely be a souls type one anyway plus armored core and then a 3rd game. That might make too cluttered of a general though.
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>>187953719
50 Attunmeent so you can get alot of casts.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/attunement

>>187953824
KING CRIMSON
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>>187953941
No idea 50 was the the number to get second casting of forbidden sun, thanks. I'll go to 50 then
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>>187953824
I'll continue

>>187953941
>KING CRIMSON
What did you mean by this?
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>>187954605
Woah I never knew that!
Keep them coming!
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>>187954605
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>>187954605
>KING CRIMSON
>What did you mean by this?
King Crimson is an ability to erase time.Sounds simple right?
But then a LOT of dumb shit regarding it happens (Such as "The person you hit wasnt me rather you from the future" or "I may have gotten shot but I have gotten shot during erased time so the bullet technically never touched me") so now everything unexplainable is King Crimsons doing
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>>187953206
yes
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>>187954901
Play as the Deacons and summon a congregation around you.
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>>187954901
play as bed of chaos and fucking kill yourself.
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>>187954835
pls no bully
>>187954887
Thanks for explaining, sounds interesting.
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>>187950083
Charged R2 became a thing in Bloodborne.
Unfortunately the rolling / running R2s in BB did not become a thing.
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>>187955225
Bully...?
I was not bullying you if that's what you were thinking.
I was genuinely surprised by that...
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>>187955225
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>>187955225
why are all noobs always wearing the mirrah armor
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>>187955225
It's a Jojo Reference, and a 『S T A N D 』in it.

>>187955440
Good Ol mace with Hyper Armor.
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>>187953261
>implying I wouldn't play an Armored Core-like with ships.
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>>187955549
You get it early, it's light, has good stats, and its fashionable
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>>187955486

>>187955473
Oh, the exclamation marks made me think you meant it ironic. I lurked more than posting and I saw people saying FGS is a noob weapon and L1 spammy, so I got the feeling of bullying. mb

>>187955549
Iirc it was my gear with the highest poison resist.
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>>187955907
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>>187955907
Nah. I just didn't know that the Snekmen could do that too.
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>>187951273
Wow, thanks. I was relying on any illusory walls have an orange sign in front of them.
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>>187956562
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>>187956740
If they add all the armours from previous games, yes.
If they add a shit ton more weapons, yes.
If they add Chalice Dungeon like shit, yes.
Would it happen. Never.
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>>187956796
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>>187956904
They could've done half of that shit with TFF Edition, but nope.
Just a repackaged Season Pass edition.
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Best level for invading in RInged City?
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>>187956796
He didn't disappear. Take a look at your own webm, you're standing in a different place at the end, closer to him, that's why you can't see him.
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>>187957023
When I did that invasion I only saw one of them there so I thought I could 1v1 but I was wrong.
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Best level/ weapon upgrade to get blue ears?
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>>187957121
100-120
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>farming for Drake keeper set
>keep getting dragon charms
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>>187957326
Thanks m8
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>>187957279

>>187957192
I'm pretty sure that I should still be seeing him, I mean I see the corner of Lothric's throne right next to where he stands. Or maybe he just wears the ring Rosaria gives you for 10 tounges.
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>>187957550
I also found one from das2
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>tfw you visit the Frigid Outskirts for the first time and then you suddenly get your tits kicked in by these fucking Chinese-bootleg Pokemon knock-offs
Why does Eleum Loyce have the most annoying enemies?
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>>187957750
and the last one
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>>187957550
He didn't dissapear. Different point of view.
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>>187950680
>That makes literally no sense. Gael's and Onyx have the clay r2 and they have unique WAs

That's because those are DLC weapons and they constructed the unique WAs to fit their moveset variations. Hell in the files you can check with CE they both have special variations of the Claymore moveset with the R2 pokes and the rolling slam of other greatswords that's tied to their WAs.
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>Dark Souls 2 PvP is the be-
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>>187958143
>Obscuring Ring
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HILARIOUS AND ORIGINAL
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It took me several aborted builds, but I think DS2 has finally started to grow on me.

I don't like the optics and boss/level design that much, but it has other cool features.

Especially ascetics. I fought Freja three times for CSS and MLGS and finally reached Drangleic castle.

What did they do to my boy Seath though?
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>>187955086
cant, deacons arent one entity
>>187955168
bed of chaos cant move so that would be boring
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What was the point of Artorias going to the abyss?
He actually did something useful?
As far as I know, he went straight away only to get corrupted and hinder the advance of the chosen undead.
He also takes all the credit when even his fucking dog help us more to actually defeat Manus.
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>>187959241
wtf my sides imploded
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>>187959614
>Artorias goes to Abyss with his young pup.
>Sif gets injured during the journey to the center of the abyss.
>Artorias puts his shield down to protect sif.
>Fights Manus Mano-a-mano
>Without his shield he loses and also breaks his sword arm.

The Artorias you fight has not only gone looney, but isn't even fighting at his best because he used sword on his left hand. He probably could've taken on manus if he still had his shield.
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>>187960167
>Mano-a-mano
>not Manus-a-mano

Come on
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>>187959501
Nigga got eaten by a The Duke's spider waifu, I dunno.
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Who won?
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is there a decent SL 120 build that could do well with both the immolation tinder and Freide's scythes?
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>>187961435
Nobody, the game crashes when those fuckers collide.
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>>187961435
the one that attacked first
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SL55 at SM 180k, did I fuck up?
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>>187959614
Artorias was the only one who could go into the Chasm of the Abyss is because as one of the race of the gods he was weak to Dark and he had to make a covenant with creatures of the Abyss to be able to enter (hence the ring you pick up from killing Sif is called a Covenant) but he still got fucked up. As humans, the players are able to walk in the abyss without getting corrupted.
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>>187961435
me
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>>187961518
>PCucks

kek
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Where did this Artorias is left handed meme get started? Didn't Manus break his left arm because that's his shield arm?
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why is the dancer of the boreal valley so hot?
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>>187961821
"An ancient greatsword of unknown origin.
This sword was passed down through
generations, until it reached Gordin,
wandering knight of Forossa,
and was lost upon his death.

Uncannily, every last one of the prominent
swordsmen who inherited this weapon
was left-handed."
ds2 majestic greatsword description
>inb4 ds2 is not canon
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>>187959596
i remembered that the old bed of chaos actually can move so here you go anon
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>>187961801
haha dae pc users retards?? xdd
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>>187962054
Well, that's absolutely terrifying.
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>>187962054
>tfw no Bed of Chaos chase sequence where it shambles towards you, leaking chaos lava everywhere
That would've been a lot better than what we got.
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Anyone on the sunlight covenant want to kill Vord on the PS4 with me?

dsg high wall
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>>187961503
like a dex/int combo i guess?
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>>187962424
What sl?
I can help.
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>>187962630
150
I know, i know.

Doesn't password make SL useless?
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>>187961503
I tried, though I'd recommend building for one specifically. If you want to use Tinder you want to swap in Sage+2 and the spell buff rings for magic casting and maybe go up to 60 INT as you don't need the Dex for it really, while Friede's only need 40 INT at most.
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Just out of curiosity sake I tried to look for more information whether Arty was left or right handed and there is no conclusive evidence.
Still some said that this guy in Cover is meant to be Artorias before he was corrupted as he ventures into the Abyss.
Even if he wasn't, why the fuck would FROM make the cover guy lefty when using weapon on left hand was dumb as shit in DS1.

Atleast DS2 fixed it, only to be ruined by DS3.
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>>187962840
it does, the phantom that comes to your help gets scaled down according to your SL. That's probably why he asked.
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>>187962893
>>187961503
Improved this even more after crunching hard on number optimization if you really want to use both on the same build.
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>>187962840
I ain't one of them Cookie Cutters.
Don't worry.
Just making sure so I don't roll up with my new sl 45 char.
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>>187963148
Alright!

>>187963140
I forgot all about that. Thanks!
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I'm at that point where I'm not really sure what to do with all these levels.
Pyromancy is scaled between combined INT/FTH, right? If so, wouldn't it just be better to pump FTH now to scale the Fire Dmg I'll Infuse to my Maces anyways?
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Is this good for just after pontiff?
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/238098
what weapon level and should i put some more points into health to increase my SL?
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Vordt who?

Thanks m8!
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>>187963897
No problem. I will be about if ya need more assistance. I have plenty of characters for a variety of support!
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>>187963796
+7 dark sword
pump Vit until you get 40, then dump remainder into whatever you feel like
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Just started Dark Souls for the first time. Can I use any build I want? Does it matter what gift I pick?
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>>187964139
Get the master key!
Do any build you want but NEVER level Resistance.
Try not to look for guides. Only look at guides when you're about to do the final boss.

Enjoy!
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>>187964031
Hows this then?
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/238100
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Which game had the best Dark Set?
>DS1: Sharp and shiny
>DS2: Duller with a bigger accent on fur, but still put together
>DS3: More or less destroyed
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>>187963628
It looks like you're doing a Strength build so planning to infuse your maces with Fire will just waste those points. I'd recommend either DEX to get more weapon/powerstance requirements or Vigor since going up to as close to 50 as possible is ideal.
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>>187963091
It doesn't even look like arty's armor and that weapon looks more like bkgs than arty's gs
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>>187964139
You can make any build you want, you can start as a Sorcerer but then play as a Pure STR Melee if you wanted. For DaS1 only one gift can kinda affect gameplay in terms of sequence breaking, so be wary of that. Other than that it doesn't really matter.

Now leave and go enjoy the game, go in blind and don't come back until you finished it, don't look up guides also, many would kill to replay the games for the first time blind again.
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>>187964139
Don't get master key, it completely skips a good portion of one area, a fun area.
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>>187964495
I like DS1.

The helmet doesn't look like old lady hair.
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>>187964413
>Get the master key!
>first timer
>>187964139
If you like hueg weapons, get the firebombs. If you're a waifufag, get the key. If you're a cosplay fag, the pendant. Otherwise it doesn't matter as long as you do NOT get the master key
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>>187964485
>Vestiges with barely any INT/FAI and no pyro rings
>Carthus Flame Arc when you can just use Charcoal without wasting point in an attunement slot

Remove those points in ATT completely, lower Vig to 39 with Chain, put the spare points into END and STR.
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>>187964729
but i need them for muh noob cosplay
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>>187963628
Unless you have the appropiate caster stats, avoid elemental infusions.

Get Attunement to 16, you'll get one more spell slot and reach 99 Agility.
Then you can focus on INT/FTH. Doesn't matter how you level them, your Fire BNS will increase regardless.
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>>187963091
Western cover art was made by Bamco with only some art fetched by FROM. It only looks like that because they wanted to make it "cool".
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>>187964518
I'm the guy doing a Smith cosplay, some guy talked me into Infusing the Blacksmith's Hammer with Fire, for full cosplay reasons.
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>>187964973
You have Flame Weapon, right? If you carry the Pyromancy Flame in your right weapon, you can infuse your left weapon, then use Charcoal Resing on your right weapon.
Right now, you have the best stats for your hammers, your damage will greatly decrease if you infuse them with fire.
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>>187939595
Literally the only shield I've ever used in DS2, and the only shield I'll ever need.
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Okay, what the fuck man, I'm in a memory and you recognize me?

>>187965661
I guess I could do that, so are Infusion really not all that useful in DaS2? I like that I can buff a weapon, even when infused.
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>>187966302
He probably made his way there like you did. You ain't special.
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Post fashion please
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>>187966380
I really want that Moonlight Greatsword, fucker won't hand it over. Only one way to get it I guess.
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>>187966302
>Okay, what the fuck man, I'm in a memory and you recognize me?
He got there the same way as you.

>are Infusion really not all that useful in DaS2?
They absolutely are, but you need the right stats for it, obviously.
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>>187966449
Jeanne d'Arc.
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Anyone wants to fight Hodrick in the woods? Just for fun. PC, pass dsg
place your signs close to Hordick's if you are interested
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>>187966463
:^)

>>187966302
Infusion are really power in DS2 as long as you have right stats and spells.
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>>187966463
>I really want that Moonlight Greatsword, fucker won't hand it over. Only one way to get it I guess.
I guess you're both if for a nasty surprise.
Tok KEK.
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Which of these leggings is more fitting?
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>>187966748
left, vertical grooves match chestplate
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Why can people invade during boss fights
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>>187966946
they're just that skilled
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>>187966879
You didn't even let him finish waving.
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I have 3700000 souls and i'm 174.
Should i level up or should i keep playing until i get summoned as a Blue Moon?
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>>187966463
How many fights has he been summoned for, and how many of those has he survived?
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>>187967439
A total of 0 summons my playthrough, didn't really think it was required to do any of the NPCs quests.
Can I still do something about it?
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>>187967548
You can kill him, you'll get his big blue knife and the old lady in majula will sell his clothes, no cheevo for you though
He'll stay here however, so you can just go burn an ascetic and redo bosses where he can be summoned
Lucatiel's gone forever though I think
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>>187967548
Bonfire Ascetics, there's a DLC fight if you weren't there yet.
It looks like the Moonlight Greatsword, doesn't it? But is it?
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>>187967714
The only true moonlight GS in any souls game is in 1. That's it. 2 and 3 are FAKES, FAKES!!!
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>>187967548
It's not exactly required to finish his quest, but at the end of it, his quests ends the same way regardless, but if you summoned him 3 times and he survived the boss fight, he rewards you all his gear and you get and achievement. Same with Lucatiel.

If you kill them, you can get all their gear from them and the merchant hag.
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>>187967979
What about in DeS and BB?
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>>187959241

I laughed the first time I saw it idk
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>>187967979
The original Moonlight Greatsword is from Demon's Souls, not Dark Souls. That means it's a fake by your logic.
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>>187966748
Right matches the dullness of the plate, unless if that's a lighting thing
>>187967408
No point in stopping now, get to at least 351 so that you actually find people
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>>187967408
probably not, even invading a sinner as a blue sentinel is rare
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>>187968201
Actually, the Demon's Souls version is called the Large Sword of Moonlight
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>>187967120
Git gud
it got patched
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>>187968083
They're true enough.

>>187968201
And original Moonlight is from King's field, everything after even in Armored Core is fake.
MLGS is shit in DS2 and so it is in 3.
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>>187968351
>>187968209
>mfw i just got summoned as a Darkmoon

OH SHIT LADSSS WISH ME LUCK!
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>>187968380
Meant for>>187966946
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>>187968557
>Way of Blue host died, going back to your world.
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>>187967714
>Bluemoon Greatsword
Is this guy taking the piss with me?
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>>187969386
What guy?
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>>187969386
Did you kill him?
And think about where the Moonlight GS came from earlier. What in DS2 would share similarities?
>>
>Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition
>you will die a bunch

>Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin Edition
>you will meet and fight Aldia, Scholar of the First Sin

>Bloodborne: The Old Hunters Edition
>you fight and kill a bunch of the first ever hunters of Yharnam

>Dark Souls 3: The Fire Fades Edition
>the First Flame will only actually fade in half of the possible endings
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>>187969564
I just wanted best weapon, and this fucker teased me for so long.

No, I did not kill him. I spoiled myself of where I could summon him, I redid Giant Lord since it's piss-easy.
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Does this look okay?
I'm going for the full plate look. Dancer's Armour is as close as I can get to it, but it makes the player model anorexic so I had to resize my torso to very large and resize the legs and arms to make it look good. Is this good...?
>>
I'm picking up DS2 again after years since SotFS is 50% off

Is adaptability a good stat? Also are dex builds fun in this game? I can't remember any weapon
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>>187969696
Bluemoon GS is pretty good, but both it and Moonlight GS look like plastic toys in DS2. The worst part about it is its terribad durability, but it has no scaling and high damage, meaning you can get it raw, get minimum reqs to wield it, and put all your points elsewhere.
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What's the best souls game to make a trap in?
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>>187969696
Okay, good. Maughlin and Magerold actually verify his sword as a replica of the real deal.
Consider that in DS, the Moonlight GS came from a large, pale dragon with the title of Duke. Go from there.
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>>187969852
DS1 for that sensual moaning
Also Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen for arguably the best character creator ever
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>>187969827
>Is adaptability a good stat?
It makes your dodge rolls slightly less shit, so I'd say it's pretty important
DEX is bretty gud.
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>>187970013
>Trixie
>Male

You're the worst.
>>
>>187970013
M U H D I C K
Is there any good plate armour there?
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what shield should i use on my white knight guy? using pontiff knight shield rn and i like how it looks but it's not really adding much to the build, can't be infused either
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>>187947407
literally read the post

the best infusion depends on level investment for the weapon. You can change your stats and you can change scaling so the optimal is picking the best of both, not just one.
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>>187970013
Delicious
>>187970176
Don't point it out you might summon Barneyfag
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>>187970193
Definitely. You won't get it from the start, but that's part of the charm. You go from rags, to stuff that can actually work as armor, to decent mails, to full plate, to full black knight and shit like that. Good stuff.
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>>187970391
Silver K***ht Shield.
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>>187970498
Noted.
I have a hard on for good looking full plate armour.
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>>187970193
Gryphic and Chaotic come to mind , but yea there are a LOT of armors and armor sets to try out.I usually go for a dagger+Ranger Bow so I wear leather armors so I kinda miss out all those cool warrior/fighter/Mystic Knight armors
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>>187970493
You just did. But apparently all his posts are spam now.
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>>187969827
>Is adaptability a good stat?
It's a very useful stat, but not necessary to all builds. It's the main way to increase Agility, which increases iframes from rolls and backsteps, and also makes using items, like Estus Flasks, faster.

>Also are dex builds fun in this game?
Yeah, basically every build is viable.
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>>187969852
Where is that from?

>>187970391
>white knight
Moaning shield of course
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>>187970783
Isn't the Chaos set just Gryphic armor with the Chimeric helm
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>>187969827
Dex is good. Summon Pate for the Last Giant, ensure he survives, meet him in Earthen Peak, and you have probably one of the best Dex weapons in the game.
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>>187971218
Nah,Gryphic has a fluffy coat that goes around the shoulders while Chaos set has giant shoulderpads and an edgy receding coat
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>>187970750
It also has a satisfying melee combat as well.
Though there are alot of balancing issues. Basically if something has Defense of 1000 and you have AR of 1100, that thing will only take 100 damage.
So some fights would be really easy, while others you'd spend 30 years grazing at health bars. You have to know when to leave an area for harder fights and when to ignore.
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>>187971404
Oh my...
I just looked up some armour sets, and the basic steel one looks lovely, save for the greavelessness...
And what the fuck kind of balance is that...?
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>>187971404
>fighting against the living armor boss in BBI with a mostly physical group
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>>187971404
>while others you'd spend 30 years grazing at health bars
the fucking final boss man, destroyed all the ballistas before I could actually use them, and I was playing a magick knight with no way to properly hit his weak spot. Thankfully at some point my hunter and my champion pawns just decided to use their super attacks or whatever and I saw 3 health bars jump at once after 10 minutes of barely getting one down, completely jumped in my chair
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>>187971648
Forgot my pic.
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>>187971648
DDDA was a bit rushed so there are some balancing issues,which means that after like 20 or so levels you'll be mostly set until endgame(Which adds more enemies and harder encounters). However the DLC area more than fixes that ,and the DLC area comes free with the PC release
The PC release however removes the Guts and Griffith Armors from Berserk which is a big shame
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So, what do I do exactly after doing the Giant Tree memories? I'm trying to find hints from NPCs, but they really don't tell you much.
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>>187971952
If you've finished all the memories, you have two options. How many Souls of a Giant do you have?
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>>187971952
when you do all 3 memories,go back to the undead place and fight vendrick
After than go back to the first bonfire in the castle and go through the golden door opposite of the room filled with stone soldiers and sentinels
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>>187972062
I got 4.

>>187972117
I really need to fight that poor fellah?
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>>187972212
Three from the memories, where did you get your fourth?
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Are regen miracles useful in DaS2? in a invasion for example
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>>187972212
To fight the "true" final boss you'll have to fight vendrick before facing the final boss.
And he might be a poor fella but he 2 shots the shit outta you if you aint careful
Also try interacting with his armor when you're done for a cool thing
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>>187972352
In Black Gulch there were a hidden path with a gangbang of Giants, I somehow survived and got my first Soul of a Giant and some random stuff from them.

>>187972385
It just feels wrong attacking him..
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>>187972352
Can get a 5th from the ancient dragon.
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>>187972546
Okay, you need five to fight Vendrick without him having double his usual defense. The fifth, well, is there anything around that made you think "This is a boss"?
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>>187972546
You're destined to take the throne anon,and there can't be 2 kings
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>>187972673
Don't tell me that big ass dragon is a fucking boss.
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>>187972546
You must beat up the demented grandpa, anon. It's your destiny.
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>>187972781
Only if you hit him
And as all big bosses its more of a fight against the camera
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>>187972865
>Big fucking dragon
>FromSoftware
I don't like where this is going, not one bit.
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>>187972781
And it has the last Giant Soul.
Oh yeah, don't forget to fight the Drakekeepers on the way there.
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>>187972940
>don't forget to fight the Drakekeepers on the way there
Don't remind me, these fuckers have the most retarded tracking I've ever seen. Don't get me started on defender of the staircase.
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>>187972781
I'm pretty sure the devs thought of it as a "nobody will ever beat this thing" boss, since it hits like a goddamn fucking nuke, like an actual fucking real nuke, and has the most health out of any boss in the series I believe. But its AI is easy as shit to manipulate. Look up a video on how to do it, it's just a long, boring fight. Equip all the gear/rings you have that increases soul gain, he gives a ton and it's not like defense matters against him anyway.
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>>187973067
Don't you just love the hammers?
>>187973114
Strange as it is, it drops more souls than Soul of Cinder.
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>>187973236
FUCK the hammers. I'd rather fight Maneaters than these fuckers.
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>>187973067
>>187973236
I'm still convinced they fucked up the second drakekeeper's AI, the one with a mace. Sometimes he has less than half a second of recovery from one combo to another, and you can't parry or stagger these guys. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous.
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>>187973394
Don't forget its insane tracking, guy uses a fucking satellite to detect you, the fuck is wrong with that?
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>>187973394
it used to be worse
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>>187973350
>>187973394
I died to the Drakekeepers, particularly the one with the hammer more than any other boss in the game. When they finally started despawning, I felt this tremendous sense of relief.
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>>187973558
what the fuck ? did he just perma-swing all the time without ever recovering ? because that's basically what he does sometimes
>>187973483
now I need a drawfag onto this right now
>>187973583
I lost like 250k souls on a character with whom I wasn't planning to levelup anymore anyway and had agape equipped at that point, but it was still frustrating
I died again without even reaching my fucking bloodstain. At SL200.
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>>187973483
He also swings said satellite.
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>>187973583
I'm the Smithy guy, so far I dealt with everything in the game and I got to admit. That one fucker I cheesed to hell and back with a Crossbow at long range.
Fuck that tracking and insane combo.
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>>187973664
I am so sorry for your loss. I remember having to fork over a big bundle to Cromwell because Agdayne took offense to my Torch Hollow.
>>187973732
I'd imagine you'd have an easier time, using Strike weapons like that. Damage types actually meant something back in 2.
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>>187969827
Unless you're buying it on Steam, which isn't currently having a sale, you're getting ripped off. It regularly hits 75% off during sales, you're spending twice what you could if you were patient.
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>>187973696
SO THAT'S HOW IT WORKS
>>187973927
I mean, it's not like I was ever going to be using those souls for anything, I don't even know what I was doing in dragon shrine anyway
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>>187973732
Greathammers can actually 2shot them to death but they still manage to be incredibly annoying
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>>187973696
Definitely need a drawfag for this shit.
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>>187973483
>>187973696
This has to be the funniest thing I've read on this general.
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>>187974876
One fucking enemy did this to us, ONE enemy.
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>>187975125
And I just remembered, you can't try to run past unless you want to deal with the local Dragon Knights, too.
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>>187975125
And not even some kind of miniboss like an undead dragon, blighttown big wall parasite, or the two fuckers in front of farron keep, just some random fuck who'll shove a satellite up your ass while his dragonfucking buddies wank to it.
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>>187975350
"Honorable Duel" my ass.
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>>187975125
I only cheese him with dark arrows. Fuck that guy. Him and those Falconer enemies make no sense to me, its like their animations just weren't finished and no one cared when they rereleased the game for the 2nd or 3rd time.
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>>187975575
I never seemed to have any issue with the Falconers, but it's true they out of the blue chooses to not have any animation delay whatsoever and start spazzing out all over the place.
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I have an old iPad I can begin my trade on.
I can fire it up if you want a marginally better work than on Microshaft Taint...?
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>>187975575
I think I continuously killed him with a Poison Ricard's. A few R2s and the poison did the work.
>>187975735
This is glorious, anon.
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>>187975735
*Attaches Sputnik*
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>>187975735
Up to you, anon, it's not like we're paying you and have any right to ask for shit. The fact that someone actually did it is already wonderful. Thanks, anon.

Also to change topics, the french description of Repair powder states that it only repairs weapons, but it actually repairs everything. And here I was thinking there was no way I could use Old Knight shit at all. Guess I'll give the weapons a shot now since I might be able to make some fashion out of them
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>>187975961
Old Knight is really not worth the risk, they might as well be made of glass.
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Honestly, anons, this is quite funny and I don't wanna be that guy, but you're exaggerating.
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>>187961435
People who didn't waste money on 3.
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>>187976095
but it looks so cool, it's not fair
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>>187975961
I just wanna make you guys happy.
I'll give it a go.
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>>187976339
Godspeed, anon.
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Also, while we're talking DS2, what armor would fit a dex/fth paladin-y character the best ? Heide K***ht or Royal Soldier ? One is paladin as hell, but the other is basically a resking of Paladin Leeroy's and it's also my armorfu. Heide will require some grind, but gives better defenses than Royal Soldier. wat do
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>>187976791
Gold armour with Disc Chime for shield.

>>187976532
Y-You too.
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>>187976339
You already make me happy, Anon.
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>>187976972
I already have this exact same fashion on another character, sadly. It's also a little too fancy for the base spear. I might just change my other dude's looks so they don't look the same on the select screen and use this again, fuck if I know. Thanks for the suggestion, though
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>>187976791
Targrey's armor. But you have to kill him to get it.
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>>187977180
I had made this with Targray's armor but ended up not using it and sticking to my current fashion and build at the time. I'll probably do it once I can get this helm, since I'd rather not kill Targray yet in case I need more boltstones, which I probably will
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>>187976791
royal swordman with alva helm and heide leggings/gauntlets.

Default knight set or hard leather is nice for any build to mix and match with.

Syan's set is good, but impossible to get in early game

Throne watcher matches the theme, though you should wear alva helm with it

who gives a fuck about defense
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>>187977412
>who gives a fuck about defense
tank souls best souls
thanks for the suggestions though, will try them out
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>>187937891
First time I've gotten to 50 Int in DS2, and I'm wondering, is the Wisdom Staff supposed to completely shoot over the targets when I cast spells? Or is it just completely useless for point-blank combat unlike the Sorcerer's Staff?
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>>187977318
you can keep buying boltstones from his gravestone after you kill him. I think you have to wait at least an hour of in game time before it shows up though.
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>>187977575
It's useful for shooting over things for this same reason, but useless in close quarters unless you use soul greatsword.
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>>187977592
Right.
I just wish the amount of arena wins you had to do wasn't so ridiculously high, even more so considering you need to pay to even get to fight, let alone win. Targray is one of the genuinely nicest people in the whole souls universe and I have to kill him just for fashion, it's not fair
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>>187970013
I would commit a crime for those sliders.
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Would some kind ps4 Anon mule some junk for me, or just drop me some stuff?
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Going for a 40 dex/60int build, any weapons y'all would recommend other than the obvious (immolation tinder, freide's scythe, sage's rapier)
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>>187977575
Pretty sure all staves except Blue Flame are like that. If an enemy is point-blank or is about to be, you should consider pulling out a sword.
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>>187962893
>>187963145
this is amazing thanks anon
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>>187977972
What are you moving?
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>>187977972
I would love to, but Gwyn and his army are having a ball chucking Sunlight Spears outside, and don't wanna lose all your shit when a power outage happens...
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>Get summoned as balde of the darkmoon
>Host kills guy while i'm looking around trying to find him
>Don't get ears

Back when the game was released i'm sure you would get the ear. Did they patch it or is it a bug?
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>>187977974
Aquamarine
GSoJ
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>>187978129
Embers, few souls, couple weapons, couple rings.
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>>187976176
Didn't they nerf them in SotFS? I definitely know they turned Amana in a cakewalk with new enemy placement and reduced tracking on priestess magic darts.
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>>187978338
I'll be ready in a few minutes. Tell me the pass and location, and I'll shoot you a (You) when I'm ready.
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>>187978480
Cheers, I need to piss around too.
high wall pass dsg
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Redopillo me on pure STR in DS2 Scholars. Is it good?
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so if I make a new character and cheat-engine myself a bunch of souls and some weapons so I can go straight into SL 120 pvp, but don't do anything else, or make anything impossible to get in the game, what are my chances of being banned?
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>>187978683
Okay, I'm ready to go.
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I swear, no matter how many times I replay through this game I'll always find new things. Does this become visible with the eye ?

>>187979078
yes
use mastodon greatsword
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>>187979227
totally didn't forget the picture
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>>187979109
Sweet. Be there very soon. I got stuck on something. Could you do me a sharp uchi +0?
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>>187979529
+0, definitely. Let me check on the Sharp, though.
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>>187979653
Just need it sharpened. Got the +0 already. If you sharpen one for me, I'll do anything. ANYTHING. I'm at HW, I'll wait for your sign.
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>>187979851
Yeah, I have it. Sharp and +0.
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Is there any reason to go above 50 Dex if I am using a Sharp Flamberge? Should I go all the way to 80 DEX if I don't care about what my SL ends up being?
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>>187980087
What game?
If 3, then go to 80 to get the best.
It is doable at 125 and stuff.
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>>187979851
Let me try putting down a red, we might have better luck.
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>>187975735
looks like I was too late, nice art drawfag
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>>187980251
Summoning.
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>>187979398
yea it does become visible with the eye
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>>187980278
I like yours better.
Yours has colour and you can tell what it is.
I draw dumb.
This is the work I am most proud of though, and was very surprised it was not done by anyone!
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>>187939570
Aldrich fucking bothered me so much. He's an avaricious devourer of men and gods, but he uses Gwyndolin as an extremity to do floaty and graceful attacks.

Fuck you Miyazaki. I expected a ravenous mass of corpses wanting nothing more than to watch me gargle on my own blood screaming, not fucking GWYNDOLIN WITH SHIT FOR A TAIL AND THE GRAVELORD SWORD ON A STICK.
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>>187980345
Is that everything?
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>>187980497
I like yours since it has nice proportions and an actual idea of what's going on, doesn't need colors to identify what's what. I got like 10% through mine before I realized I'd have better luck making a lefthanded shitpost. I had no idea you were the pepe of man anon, well done!

I might greenscreen the downskeeper if I have some spare time, if someone else doesn't first
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>>187980751
>I expected a ravenous mass of corpses
The One Reborn from Bloodborne.
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god I hate going back through eleum loyce so fucking much
priestesses sniping you, maldron, hedgehogs, maldron, it's fucking huge, it has maldron, two other invaders, snow levels are shit, maldron exists, jesus why is it so big
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>>187980751
I seriously expected the pus of man to have some big epic boss fight against a giant writhing mass of goo

I'm guessing aldrich was heavily downgraded due to graphic concerns like Wolnir was.
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PC FC, high wall, pass dsg as always.
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So is Shrine of Amana supposed to be the most cancerous shit in DS2, or am I just doing something wrong?
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>>187969827
>Is adaptability a good stat?
All stats are good stats because there are multiple low softcaps (most get their best gains from 5 to 15 or 20) and each stat levels up multiple things.

Dex builds are fun but you need to abuse stunlock or poison to really make them work, since their base damage is very low. The biggest problem with a dex build is that there are few strike damage dex weapons, and you really need at least one to handle some bosses easily. The exception is the default spear, which deals strike damage on it's R2s.
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>>187981884
Nah, wait until the DLC optional areas.
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gundyr is one of my favorite bosses. badass dude
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>>187981884
it's a newbie filter, basically DS2's sen's fortress. It requires both ranged and melee attacks, deals magic, physical, and bleed, and will punish you with slow walking if you run around too much. You need lifegems, greatshields, arrows, flame butterflies, oozes, blue burrs, and a litany of other items to do the area "properly". Basically if you're having trouble with shrine of amana, then there's something you're missing about the various stats, items, gameplay mechanics, etc.

It is basically designed to punish all those players that go through the whole game face-tanking everything with a greatsword, blossom kite shield, and drangleic armor (with vengarl's helm) on 70% equip load

It's all about picking a careful path through the area. If you stick to the right locations, you won't be aggroing more than 2 enemies at a time, and if you use a mix of ranged and melee you can kill most enemies before they hurt you.

There's basically a couple hard counters against everything in shrine of amana but if you've not been paying attention so far in the game, you haven't had to use them yet.
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>>187981875
Could use a few more people here.
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I've literally never played a caster in any souls game before. Anybody have a mugenmonkey link for a meta pyro build in DS3 I can copy?
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>>187983468
>never played a caster
>hey guiz gimme meta build plz

how about you learn the fucking game
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>>187983576
I know how to play the game, faggot. I just want to know what to put my points into when I reach the endgame.
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>>187983708
>I just want to know what to put my points into
Then you don't know how to play the game.
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>>187982312
I've managed to get a decent sword/shield Ringed Knight setup where RB does a quick left-to-right slash, and RT is a delayed left-to-right slash, LB is two horizontal slashes with the blade on fire, LT is 4 horizontal slashes with the blade on fire, and the A, B, X, Y buttons are yet to be assigned. The problem is, it keeps crashing randomly. At first I thought I was just pushing the game too hard, but sometimes I won't even be doing anything, I'll be standing still not touching anything and then *boop* "DARKSOULSIII.exe needs to close".

Was the one that was shortly released just bugged to shit or something? Or are you using another method to control enemies?
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>>187979078
Pure anything but caster is good. If you go caster, always have a melee option to fall back on.
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>>187980087
If you go above 40 Dex, you never stop anywhere but past 60. The returns between 40 and 60 are pure ass, Sharp infusion is only worth the investment when you hit around 80 Dex.

Flamberge is an ass weapon anyways. For Sharp you want Astora's, Kumo or LKGS.
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>>187984338
which table are you using?
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>>187981884
It's actually become one of my favorite areas in the series actually but I hated it at first too. Maybe it's better in SotFS, it's been too long since I played Vanilla
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>>187983468
40/40 Int/Fai
24 Att, 26 End
35+ Vigor
Minimum Str/Dex to wield Onyx, Demon's Scar, Parting Flame and maybe Witch's Locks and GFS

Literally not hard to figure out.
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Hold up.
Is dat....
a motherfucking
Demon's Souls reference!??!?
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>>187984714
On the Dark Souls section of the mod Nexus the Arena Master Mod was uploaded but quickly taken back down. I was lucky enough to grab it before it was culled.
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>>187984264
cute!
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>>187985259
lolyeah dont use that one. it's an absolute mess, i dont know why he uploaded it

https://ufile.io/394fu this one should work much better
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>>187984851
Thanks, would it be worth going for 30 att for the extra slot? I'd like to try out some of the more unconvential spells like fire whip, sacred flame, or flame fan when I get used to the basics.
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>>187975735
I-I did it!
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>>187985687
Very good!
Really cool, anon.
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>>187982472
>It requires both ranged and melee attacks
It only requires being able to dodge a slow-moving projectile. With 96 AGI and the barest semblance of spatial awareness it's easy to charge through it with a mindless melee build.
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Where do I go after I get the orange charred ring? It looks like there's supposed to be a door in the boss area but there's nothing there
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>>187985687
this is beautiful
thanks very much anon
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>>187986350
There's a cave in the boss area, you have to use the ring to walk across lava to reach it.
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>>187985572
Pyros have to invest a shitload of stats into Int/Fai as it is, on top of needing the most stamina out of all the casters because they'll actually be rolling/attacking/throwing fireballs all at the same time. Even if you use PChain you'll be extremely starved for levels, so 24 Att is usually the max you'll be aiming for, and in fact some builds will settle for 18.
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>>187985221
DS2 loves using phantoms to reference past games. However in this case, the successor to Meat Cleaver Black Phantom is probably Melinda the Butcher, descendant of Maneater Mildred.

The post-Gargoyle area is literally just a bonfire and a reference to Capra Demon.
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Help me decide my next build /Dsg/

Should I go Edgy hexer, DEUS VULT paladin, or Kung Fu man?
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>>187987383
For DS2 btw
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>>187987383
edgy hexer, but make it a fully-hollowed dark pyromancy flame and dark/bleed forlorn greatsword user. Bleed + Dark + Pyro.
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Can anyone tell me why everyone and their mum is going for Dark Infused weapon instead of Deep if they don't have proper stats?
Am I missing some meme?
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>>187987636
Scaling.
Deep has no scaling, and not having scaling makes Deep useless.
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>>187985483
Holy fuck this is actually perfect

Thank you
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i need the picture of the guy with the HUGE phantom silver knight helmet and his name is like "The Chosen One" or something, and hes in the distance from the host

thanks in advance
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>watch some souls videos to get a feel forsome weapons
>youtube starts recommending some trashnamed onlywaifu

The only thingmore cancerous than onlyafro is an ironic weeb faggot based on him
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Well I used to feel bad about dying several times to Nameless king and Dragonslayer armorafter beating oceiros in one try But then I watched Polygon play vidya and I feel better about myself.
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>kadokawa is one of the general exhibitors for Tokyo Game Show, alongside Sony

hmmmmmm....
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>>187988161
pls respond
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>>187988161
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>>187990806
thanks lots friendo
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>>187990806
That's scary.
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whats the best trainer to use?

ive beaten the game like 13 times and lost all my saves, i dont want to deal with the whole game again.
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>Bastard Sword R2 Stomp
I think I sent Hodrick to outer space.
>>
What was your reaction to Soul of Cinder transforming into Gwyn?
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>>187992690
meh
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>>187991832
>not using the twinaxes
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>get into From games with Bloodborne, like it
>play DS2 SotFS next, think its okay
>"Maybe I should try out DS3 next. How much is it on Steam?"
>tfw its $60-85

w e w
e
w
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>>187992690
WOOOOOOW, BUGGED HEALTHBAR MECHANICS
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>>187992636
I cannot for the life of me launch anyone with the Bastard Sword. It's too short...
They should have made it super strong on the strength side to make it at least be useful, not just an inferior sword to the Claymore, as it has the same AR with half the length.
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>>187993221
I'M PRESSING BUTTONS, MAN, THIS IS BULLSHIT
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>>187992690
Pretty neat, I enjoyed it

Though I wish the music kept the vocals and such with the piano like that short transformation period instead of becoming just the piano. Would have made the fight a lot better but eh whatever
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>>187993036
Try Dark 1 it's a much better game anyway.
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>>187993036
play otogi

Bloodborne is a terrible example of a From game anyway. Great game, but shares little with even the dark souls series, much less everything else.
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>>187993036
Wait for a sale, you can get the game plus season pass for perhaps $50 or maybe less.

>>187993994
One could say that about literally every game Miyazaki has made. His style of directing is completely different from what Tanimura, Zin, etc. have done in the past. Remember, before he was "the guy who created Dark Souls," Miyazaki was "the guy who ruined Armored Core."
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>>187995128
>Miyazaki was "the guy who ruined Armored Core."
Ugh god stop reminding me

I miss PS2 armored core so badly...
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>I will never ever play DeS because exclusivity bullshit
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Anyone want to help me do Midir?

I am NA PC. Let me know your password. I am right outside of the drop down area.
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>>187995519
you can find a PS3 for like 50$ on ebay
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>>187995576

I dont live in USA
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>>187995676
move to the USA then
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>>187995521
dsg, sign's going down at the bottom of the ladder
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>>187995960
should I summon the npc or nah
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>>187996064
nah
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>>187996064
I'll come help as well, why not.
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>>187996171
>>187995960
the tail meme gets me everytime desu senpai
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>>187996269
we went without u... next time
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My first Hatemail in a very long time!
I must be doing something right!
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>>187996656
>Forgot screenie
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Ok cool he has the tail 1 shot and can eat you for 1 shot

you can't win!
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Does CE still work? Want to get back in but I'm definitely not slogging through the pos single player
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>>187996846
learn what health, absorption, defense, healing, and damage scaling for passworded phantoms does

or just learn to roll and stay out of the range of his easily telegraphed attacks
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>died at the start of the fight because I got greedy with a 2HR2
Welp. Guess I'll drop some Embers by way of apology next time.
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>>187997113
And then my sign almost got jacked for Spears. It's not my night. Could you post when you're ready to go again? I'd rather not get dragged into the boss fight if I can.
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>>187997113
>>187996846
if you guys don't mind waiting a minute I could respec really quick
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>>187997076
hmmm that sounds really nerdy
>>187997113
he's a strong boy no worries
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>>187997437
Got all the time in the world. Certainly I'd rather try to boss-raid Midir than to have to go through Huntsman's Copse.
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>>187997437
I'm okay with waiting no problem
>>187997382
I'll be waiting until he comes back so any time.
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>>187997382
>>187997113
We're ready now
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>>187997815
Sign is down, thanks.
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This guy is manus on crack my god
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>>187998363
Yeah, looks like my strategy isn't going to work, ran out of blue Estus shooting at his head. Time to switch back to the good old Blessed LKGS.
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Wow he literally killed all of us with the same move. Fair and balanced.
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>the light show got all three of us
That was actually kind of worth it to see.
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>>187999259
Tips:
-When you drop down, if you stay still, he'll stop right in front of you
-When he does the big fly by, run to his right, your left
-When he charges up the laser, run to his left foot
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>>187999259
>>187999268
was it the regular light beam or the fair and balanced flailing in the 2nd phase?
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>>187999341
Just Pestilent Mist
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>>187999485
shin godzilla FLAYUHL
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>>187999485
Second phase triple beam. I got behind him, but to his right, and he clipped me with the end of the horizontal swipe.
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>>187999652
>final patch released
>game overrun with hackers across all platforms
>people get sick of infinite health and curse weapons and stop playing
not surprising, even ds2 had less hackers than 3
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Idk if this is going to be possible guys I'm only level 80 and bad\

brb piss of anger break
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>>>/v/389005075

Come defend DaS2
Do it for her
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>>188000078
We're not getting downscaled that badly, SL120 phantoms don't start feeling the effects until the host is around SL84.

I just need to stop being bad, and equip Tears so that I stop dying. I have two healing Miracles equipped, but I keep forgetting that this is Midir, his attacks will mostly one-shot people regardless.
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>>188000203
Nobody cares what /v/ thinks.
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>>188000203
>Justifying my opinions to /b/ with video games
I have better things to do; Even if I didn't, I still wouldn't.
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>>188000212
I'm done for tonight :( too tired for this

man this guy is annoying. Tried last night too
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>>188000732
Well, that's dismaying, but don't give up. Midir is the hardest boss in the game for a reason, if you need help again just call.
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Lads, what happens if I use up the 5 cracked red eyes? Trying to get the key off Lionel Richie
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>>188000834
I just want the covenant

This boss is so weird since he has zoning and crazy melee swipes. Usually it's one or the other. Can't get a feel for him even with the tips posted earlier.
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>>188001125
sweet dreams my man, better luck next time
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>>188001063
I'm honestly not sure. It's kind of a moot point since you can farm Cracked Red Eyes off of Darkwraiths (which guaranteed drop at least one per kill), on top of the three you find lying around in Und*** Settlement and Cathedral. But I'd guess he has zero additional dialogue for if you fail all five times.
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>>188001063
There are pale tongues lying around in levels, not to mention the ones you can get from the Darkwraiths in Farron Keep, which also give Cracked Red Eyes, so you can't lock yourself out of the Orb, just delay getting it a bit.
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Odd: DS3
Even: DS2
Dubs: Armored Core 3
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>>188002185
you made the wrong choice
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>>188002346
YOu know, upon loading my character in ds3, I immediately had this feeling of roughness.
I've been playing both games lately but somehow, DS2 Scholar's feels much more polished than ds3. At least visually.
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>>187992690
>Oh look, it's one of those fights... Epik...
And then it blasted my face off. The second phase is pretty neat though. Great fight and a very well made reference
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>>188002185
Why is she so cute lads?
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>>188003814
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>>188003814
Reminds me
>she doesn't use the feather to level you, she spawns a new one in her hand
Which also reminds me
>have the key equipped
>interact with the embedded
>the character puts the key away on his back and then lifts it off the ground to stab instead of 2handing it and proceeding from there
It's weird because small details like this is one of the few good things ds2 did
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>People are coming to terms with how good 3 is, and the nonsense about 2 is dying down.
Thank Gywn.
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>>188003814
g i n g e r
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Invading at high wall.
Fag host with 3 (three) phantom babysitter squad.
Hit and run, sniping, nearly get the host a couple of times.
He chugs at least 4 times.
I'm yet to chug.
Finally get cornered and gank raped.

>host points down
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>>188004731
>being salty enough to blog post about it

You new to invasions kid?
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What game has the best artwork? Dark Souls 3 is unmatched to me.
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Hey everybody who is sick of hacking in DS3

Come back to DSPTDE!We can have fun fights in Anor Londo.Or fight bosses at NG+6 together!
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>>188004338
Does the carpet match the drapes?
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>>188004731
>He still gets salty about being ganked and point down'd

New red, huh?

Don't worry. You get used to it.
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>>188004731

>invade at high wall
>hosts summons phantom
>sits back as I duel phantom
>I win and he duels me next
>he goes though several estus
>disconnects just as I'm about to land the killing blow
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>>187987790
Yeah but it seems like you need to have atleast 15/15 int/fth or 9/23 of either stat for Dark to Outdamage Deep. I've seen people who only have 15 faith for T0D or Utility sorceries using Dark instead of Deep.

>>187988826
Kancolle Kai Souls for Vita

>>187992690
First I was really mad.
When the theme kicked in, I felt Glad
And then I "You Died"

>>187995519
https://youtu.be/geXkgSIdkW8
I only get 12-18 fps on my I5-6600k though. Though this is on Boletaria Palaace hear things get better later.
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>>188006091
There is no carpet.
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>>188006730
>shaving
>in a medieval setting
lmao
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>>188006682
Still get the physical scaling. That matters too.
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>>188006091
It's already painted white
>>188006481
>duel
Don't
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>>188006868
That's what pyromancy is for.
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>>188006997
>risking burning your dick off/ruining your snatch
nah
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>>188006730
>in the Middle Ages

I bet she's got a jungle down there. Unf
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>>188007060
>He doesn't casts immolation atleast once a day..
It's like you want to be a heretic and a dumb nigger at same time.
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>>188007334
>setting yourself on fire to save dying gods that are afraid of you
look at this cuck
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DS1 guy, since PVP is essentially dead should I just continue to level as I play or should I stop somewhere? Currently 86.
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>>188007397
>He doesn't know burning yourself increases yours faith and intelligence.
Look at this feeble cursed one.
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>>188007515
lotta good all those brains and faith do ya when i cave your chest in with an axe twice your size
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>>188007463
PC? Try out the dscm first and see how you like the activity
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHXUldPeMtg
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>>188007601
>Thinking his Axe would ever hit me.
>Not realizing that shitty slow ass thing would probably melt before touching me.

You're playing with fire boy.
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>>188007861
everything i wear and wield was forged in fire, it can take whatever measly embers you can conjure up
and even if it does melt, im still strong enough to beat you senseless when you run out of firecrackers and lightshows
youre spent, you glorified candle
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>>188008073
>>188007861
Implying you aren't both already backstabbed by a straight sword.
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>>188008073
>Forged in fire.
So you wear big ass heavy armor that won't you walk properly. Gotchu senpai. I'll just bully you and your armor with Toxic Mists and Acid Surges. No need to throw Miniature suns at you. Those would probably trigger your epilepsy.
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>>188007848
I like limitbreakers
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>>187985687
MY SIDES!
Thank you, based anon.
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>playing dks3 for the first time blind
>finally get past boulder in catacombs
>die because it also rolls uphill
why
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>>188009560
The skeletons inside are making it go up, but the speed makes 0 sense.
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What is the best set in DS2?

And why is it the Astrologist Set?
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>>188005115
>>188006216
t. been stuck on the same game since 2015
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Is sorcery a viable playstyle in Dark Souls 3, or is it too limited by FP and so you're forced to only use it sparingly?
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>>188010327
farron flashsword + some memetracking spells is very good
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>>188010327
It's viable, but boring as all hell. You spend your time shooting GHSA at enemies and hoping that they die before they get too close.
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>>188009865
Someone obviously hasn't put on the Heide Knight Set.

>dat chainmail
>dat white cloak draped over the shoulders
>those shoulder spikes
>those gauntlets
>those fucking thigh-length greaves
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>sulyvahn draws his power from the dark and may even possess darklurker's soul
>locks karla up in his dungeon for a million years for practising dark magic
What sense does that make?
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I see you, anon.
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>>188010547
If it's so great why didnt it come back in DS3?
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>>188010389
Bit of a shame but not really surprising. Looked a lot more interesting this time around with all the new and different spells.
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>>187966449
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>>188010864
>Heide Knight
>There's nothing that references back to Heide in DaS3, which is a game that purely plays on references
Gee, I wonder why.
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>>188010864
>Why didn't non-retarded NPCs come back in 3?
>Why didn't the neck seams stay go in 3?
>Why didn't NG+ content come back in 3?
>Why didn't bonfire ascetics come back in 3?
>Why didn't giant seeds come back in 3?
oh wait

Basically miyazaki's a fucking hack
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Has anyone got a couple of minutes to transfer some stuff for me? PS4
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>>188010864
>>188011262
>>188011271

Reminder that desert sorceress set was deemed more important to bring back than to include the Burial Knight set, Yorshka's Set, or Heide Knight Set

Two of those were already fully modeled and functional in the game's files, btw
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>>188011570
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY

also, can I still transfer characters between accounts without getting banned
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>>188011390
L-lads?
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>>188011767
Ledo's chest looks like it would have been high fashion
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>>188012665

it wasn't in ds1

so fuck you you'll get silver knight set without weapons and you'll LIKE it
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>tfw invading starts going well
>tfw starting to win some 1v3s
Took a while for me to start having fun but Im getting the hang of this, dark zwei and longsword doing work. Can confirm sl88 is great for dlc, grand archive, and archdragon peak invasions.
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>>188013138
>No SIlver Knight Weapons
Why did you have to remind me of this?
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>>188013298
Welcome to the master race, brother
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>2 threads about ds2 on /v/ right now
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>>188014070
>Caring about /v/
Why even go there?
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>>188014096

Why even go here?
Why go anywhere?
Why even live?
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>>188014312
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>feel like invading again after months
>remember the ganks, almost instant estus heal, retarded other invaders and cheaters

difficult decision lads
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>>188013298
I never fucked around with infusions outside of heavy, sharp and refined before. What gives you the most AR with minimum stat investment? Dark?
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>>188014520
Heavy + Blessed Weapon, If you want something constant Dark yes.
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>>188014428
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>>188014615
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>>188014704
Good-aligned nihilists are the thinking man's favorite.
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Best tracks from DS2's OST?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiVSF2AAhkqdMICqoGgHZZoycaChLnTg6
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>>188014520
I went with dark because it absolutely destroys shield users and dark weapons dont need to be 2h. Access to sacred chime of fillanore and a healing spell is nice too. A faith build would probably do the same thing with fewer stats, but everybody has lightning resist from leveling END so Im not sure.
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>>188014570
>Heavy + Blessed Weapon,
maybe at 66 str. sl88 is 27+vig/vitgouge or 40 dex sharp category. With resin, of course
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>>187953134
>Maybe in the future, we will just have a From Software general.

>>187953923
>>187953336
>>187953261
/acg/ will give up their general over their cold, metallic hands. There's enough history with AC that as long as the new game isn't a huge departure from previous games (like if it was sci fi bloodborne and just called "armored core") then /acg/ can survive on its own.

What will probably happen is that they will release 2-3 games in a year or two's time, a new general will be created for each one (unless they call one of them ____ souls or AC, in which case the current ones will be used respectively) and then threads would probably be merged for any of the games they don't make. So if BB2 isn't happening, expect bbg to be merged with dsg, if AC6 isn't happening, expect /acg/ to be merged as well.

/acg/ isn't going to /v/, that's for sure. We share the same contempt for their preference to gundam that you guys share for their preference to... everything.


>>187953728
It was thoroughly adequate. Not too good, not too bad.
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>>187968410
>MLGS is shit in DS2
MLGS is actually pretty good in DS2 because it's a pure magic or pure physical weapon depending on infusion, and has great stats as a 2H shield. It's only downside is the durability cost, but you can just cast Repair and ash knuckle ring so that you get ~30 uses of it's special attack per spell slot you give up.

Perhaps the only weakness it has is that it's out-damaged by so many great other UGS in the game.
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>>188014070
What's with the inferiority complex? Why can't you just like the game without caring about /v/ or whatever? Is this what happens if you bully a fanbase and their favourite game too much?
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>>188010327
You have to play a basic melee character but sacrifice 10-20 levels in early game toward building enough INT that it would be worth using.

Ranged spells take too long and do too little damage to be worth using against actively attacking enemies, so they're basically just sniping. Melee spells require being mixed into a combo, so you already need a melee weapon.

Bellvine or sage ring is mandatory for melee spells unless you invest heavily in dex.

On the other hand you get a few good early game weapons like Heysel Pick and Crystal Sage Rapier that are pretty good and the build just keeps getting better and better once you unlock later shit. Yoel and Orbeck get you pretty much every good spell up front.

So moral of the story: Sorcery builds are viable if you're fine grinding out extra souls so that you can actually use them in early game.

Faith is much easier because you can use it exclusively for healing and the low damage output of 15-30 faith isn't crippling like it is for sorcery.

>>188010976
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>>188000597
>I have better things to do; Even if I didn't, I still wouldn't.

But you will still do it here though. Wasting time in an endless debate with always the same arguments being said almost every thread.
>>
>>188014570
>>188017086
nah, vitgouge on 27 strength heavy, not 40 dex sharp, Or just go raw.
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>>187953134
As a resident /bbg/er I wouldn't want to merge with /dsg/ because /dsg/ spends way too much time obsessively ranking the games instead of just y'know, discussing them. And /bbg/ has a lot of FC / co-op posting that /dsg/ would probably throw shitfits about if /bbg/ moved in.
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>>187966449
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>>188011767
>also, can I still transfer characters between accounts without getting banned
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>>188010327
To build on >>188017408
No Poise ruins casting A LOT. Any competent player will toss a fucking knife at you and interrupt you, it's pathetic as hell.
This also means if you get hit by an arrow, even if you're on the peak of casting, it's interrupting you.

Have to sacrifice Estus'.
Have to sacrifice Ring Slots for mandatory Rings.
Have to dump way too many points into 2 Stats, to deal less damage than a build which focus on 1 Stat and free Ring slot choice.
Some Spells consume a retarded amount of FP, compared to the minimal damage they actually do.

Fuck magic in DaS3, they butchered in every single way they could, there's not even that many interesting or useful Spells to use.
The best part? The Gimmick Bosses are the worst to deal with, the Tree became a giant headache to fight, have to free aim those stupid things? Good luck, it moves around like the retard it is.
Wolnir? He's weak to Magic, but he's one of the few enemies in the game who actually is, and he's a Gimmick Boss you can down insanely fast.
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Why does Black Fire Orb rank so much worse than Great Chaos Fire Orb?
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>>188017869
No lava pool
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>>187966449


>>188017869
Pretty sure you are supposed to compare it to Fire Orb. It's different elemental damage either way so it is still very useful.
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>>188017714
Try Steel Soldier Helmet instead.

The Standard Helm looks too much like one of those padded retard helmets.
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>>188017813
Wait, no attack gets interrupted by throwing knives though.
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>>188017813
The Estus split is the worst garbage ever, and they killed one of the more interesting and unique facets of the series to accomodate it.

Attunement was a nice system that added nuance and encouraged smarter resource acquisition and management, but I guess it was just too complex for the Retard Souls 3 audience.
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>>188017986
It has the right steel colour for that armor though.
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>>188018086
I mean, I guess

Still looks like a retard helmet though
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>>188013298
>tfw low SM invading in DaS2
>1v2 or 1v3 are barely possible without healing miracles
>NPC phantoms are tanks
>hosts keeps popping lifegems/estus but at least it's punishable
I forgot what it was like to pvp in DaS2
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>>188017757
https://www.reddit.com/r/opensouls3/comments/6d1lks/how_to_transfer_your_savefile_to_a_new_account/
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>>188018494
The no healing is something I'll never understand.
People claiming it was fine, since phantoms can't heal either were dumb as fuck aswell.
>>
will suck bepis for silvercat ring on ps4
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>>188018057
>DeS allows you to have 198 mana restoring items
>DS3 allows you to have 16 and you have to sacrifice healing
fucking dasbabbies and their easy game I swear..................
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>>188018717
I might have one if you're content with waiting 40 minutes for me to get off work and back home.
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>>188019141
I am fine with it.
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>>188017558
27 gouge obviously meant heavy and it's perfectly fine for that sl for a bunch of weapons
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>>188018597
it's pretty much a race to kill the phantoms as fast as you can, then you can take it slow with the host
DaS2 really made me appreciate the DaS3's 2 hit combo limit
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>>188019719
my bad, I thought you meant 27 vigor instead of 39
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>>188019737
> 2 hit combo limit
remember that the most OP/meta weapons are all weapons that violate the 2 hit limit. Splitleaf, gael's, and vordt's (which has a "3rd hit" in the form of instant frostbite)
>>
>>188017949
it's pretty good in pve for shieldbreaking some opponents but I wouldn't use it in pve unless I really can't spare the second slot
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in DS2 ,is anything viable for a faith build as long as I thunder infuse it?
Got the channelers trident from my Petrified Something gift and I dont wanna let it collect dust
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>>187987993
hey anon, if you ever get back on let me know how it went. im curious on how stable the table is since that's been an issue since the beginning
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>>188019975
Anything is viable, but weapons with native lightning damage will be more potent.
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>>188019975
>in DS2 ,is anything viable for a faith build as long as I thunder infuse it?

Short answer: pretty much yes.

You should also take advantage of healing miracles constantly, since most of them don't scale (same healing regardles of faith) meaning that in early game, healing miracles are extremely good and are like doubling or tripling your estus count.

As for Trident, that's a bad idea. There's already 4 good faith-scaling spears (Heide Lance, Heide Greatlance, Dragonslayer Spear, Heide Spear) in the game and all of which will beat out trident for damage and range. For Trident, the best way to use it is poison since the multi-hit R2s will proc poison or bleed very easily. That, or just use it as a pre-boss buff.
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>>188019927
sure but that's true combos. I mean when 3 phantoms mashing r1 you can usually roll out after the 2nd
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>>188019927
It's less about 2 hit combo limits and more about total damage per combo.

There are plenty of weapons which have long strings of unavoidable hits but do less damage than just an R1 R1, so nobody uses them. Gael's and Splitleaf combos only see use because they do more damage than the default combo. If they did less, they would be completely pointless.

Is it ideal? No. A better way to do things is to have these combo WAs act as mix-ups, chasedowns or other utility type attacks. Gael's WAR2 is a great example of this. A lot of WAs just do a big-ass situational attack, like onislayer, spin slash, stomp and the like. If you know when to use them, they're great, but they can be countered and punished so they reward clever usage.

However, having a WA combo just act as big dick damage -would- be okay on occasion, -if- the damage was balanced. Splitleaf Greatsword's 1000+ damage combo is just fucking stupid.
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>>188020423
what even is the point of spin slash

it has less range, less damage, and more windup than most weapons regular R1, I don't get it.
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>>188020526
It's unparriable
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>>188018717
>>188019141
>>188019303

I'm home and I'm turning on the PS4, name the password and place to drop it.
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>>188020921
it is parriable,but the opponent will stil get hit and you'll end up on your ass
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>>188021101
I'm in Irithyll, right after Pontiff. Password is scat
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>>188021385
I'll place a red sign soon
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>>188019975
Everything works but a few thing to keep in mind
Ring of Blades gives a smaller damage boost if you infuse a weapon without innate elemental damage of the same type (same rule applies to Sacred Oath)
Lighting Clutch Ring gives a smaller damage boost if you infuse a weapon without innate lighting damage
Damage on infused weapons is based off of the weapons base AR, the higher the AR the higher the split elemental + physical damage, the higher the elemental damage the more damage

Take all these together and basically low/medium damage weapons like spears your best off looking for one with innate elemental damage and not infusing the base variants, for high damage weapons like UGSes and Greathammers you can just slap on a blotstone to a Gaiant Warrior Club and enjoy your 2k damage R1R1 combo
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>>188021527
Thanks family
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>>188020526
Multiple hits for ailment/combo buff purposes
Different swing timing than regular R1

That's it.
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>>188021801
Np.
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>>188021189
It's unparriable, unless if you're referring to something other than the weapon art
>you'll end up on your ass
Are we talking about ds3 or 2?
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>>188021878
2
I dont think its even in 3
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DeS story and atmosphere
DaS1 area connectivity
DaS3 area design
DaS2 area variety
DaS3 and BB graphics
DaS2 casting and stat mechanics
DaS3 weapon upgrading and infusing, DaS2 buffing (also unlimited Slabs), Bloodborne gem system
DaS2, DaS3 and BB replayability (Bonfire Ascetics and new enemies/mechanics in NG+, apply Spears mechanic of reviving area boss to every boss in the game, procedurally generated dungeons)
DaS2 item usage and healing mechanics (slow enough to punish, but also severely limit Lifegem stacking)
DaS2 invasion mechanics (killing bosses doesn't turn off area invasions)
DaS3 matchmaking restrictions
DaS3 PvP accessibility (full orbs and signs available from the outset)
DaS2 covenants
DaS2 and DaS3 weapon moveset variety (full power-stancing, R2 charging, WAs)
DaS2 backstabbing mechanics and stamina recovery mechanics (apply this also to roll recovery frames)
DaS3 hyperarmor combined with DaS2 poise

Imagine
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>>188021968
Wot

It's the basic WA for curved swords and curved greatswords.
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>>188021742
>
Ring of Blades gives a smaller damage boost if you infuse a weapon without innate elemental damage of the same type (same rule applies to Sacred Oath)

that actually applies to all elemental infusions. Infusing with an element splits the base damage into 70% physical and 70% elemental, and you only get 70% bonus from the rings.
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>>188022034
>>188021968
he's joking about how in DS2 if you parry someone, you fall down to the ground.

which is actually more realistic since a parry is basically getting someone who lunges at you to fall over by missing, but since souls parries are actually some sort of CQC interruption it looks dumb when you try to be more realistic to what a parry should be
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>>188021968
Are you taking the piss, m80?
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>>188022003
More likely some other company will make this than From.
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>>188022003
>DaS2 invasion mechanics (killing bosses doesn't turn off area invasions)
Being unable to interact with most of the environment or phase through enemies is stupid, the time limit too. I'll give you "using a dried finger in areas with dead bosses reactivate invasions"
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>>188022172
No no no

You fucking idiot

That is not what a parry is. A parry is pushing your opponents weapon into a place where it can't hit you and he can't use it to defend against a follow-up attack. It is most often done by 'slapping' an oncoming thrust or swing to the side, because a sword that has gone wide and has no momentum towards the target requires a lot of recovery to re-maneuver into a position that is useful, and the person who performed the parry will have ample opportunity to act while that happens.

You don't fall over when you get parried unless you have brain damage. Of all the fucking things in Souls to complain about not being simulationistic enough, parries are one of the few things I would argue DON'T belong on that list, so stop talking like you know what you're on about.
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>>188022172
You're dumb, no parry in soulsborne is realistic. What should be happening is the bash like in Skyrim, where timed properly it will interrupt the attack and briefly stagger. Falling on your ass because someone hit the tip of your sword with their wrist is beyond retarded
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>>188022520
>Triggered SCAfag
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Does Dark Souls 2 deserve the HATE?
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>>188022656
no

it doesn't deserve the hype either.

All souls games are equally shit, just in different ways.
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>>188022448
Well, I mean, yeah.

This list is all about cherry picking the best features from every game. Being able to pull levers as an invader is objectively better than not being able to pull levers as an invader.
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>>188022520
Souls parries do belong on that list but for an entirely different reason, nobody in any of the games knows how to use swords except for some of the thrusting swords.
You should enter a parriable state after doing a single R1 swing with a longsword because for some reason you are swinging horizontally in wide arcs.

Pushing people to the ground is how you counter heavily armored dudes if you don't have a mace or something similar, you try to get them to topple over then when they are on the ground with much less freedom of movement you try to stab in the neck or some other place not covered by armor
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>>188007848
His editing skills are getting absurd at this point
Honestly a shame he isn't more popular. I'd watch his shit all the time if he could dedicate his time to making videos of this quality
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>>188022656
In some areas, yes.
Is it still a good game? Yes.

People are allowed to hate things they don't agree with.

I myself am playing through DaS2 now after hating it, and trying to finally giving it a fair shot. It's a decent game, just wish the Bosses were actually challenging and not pushovers.

It's all about getting used to it.
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>>188022448
>using a dried finger in areas with dead bosses reactivate invasions
DS2 allows invasions regardless of whether bosses are dead or alive or if the host is human or hollow. Being human with a living boss just affects your priority.

it had a 5 minute timer between when you could be invaded. dried fingers reset the timer and also allowed 2 invaders at once. Same as the other games.
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>>188022003
>DaS2 invasion mechanics (killing bosses doesn't turn off area invasions)
restoring your ember after a boss kill was a nice way to put more people online that should have been applied in 2
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What went wrong with DS2?
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Fun fact. You can make a school and join it on another character to give it your deck and easily unlock an additional style
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>>188022003
>DeS story and atmosphere
Yes and yes

>DaS1 area connectivity
uh huh

>DaS3 area design
Yay, another cathedral or castle or whatever.

>DaS2 area variety
...well i guess that negates the former problem.

>DaS3 and BB graphics
I think at this point it'd be a tad better, but okay.

>DaS2 casting and stat mechanics
Adaptability a shit

>DaS3 weapon upgrading and infusing, DaS2 buffing (also unlimited Slabs), Bloodborne gem system
Cool

>DaS2, DaS3 and BB replayability (Bonfire Ascetics and new enemies/mechanics in NG+, apply Spears mechanic of reviving area boss to every boss in the game, procedurally generated dungeons)
Good

>DaS2 item usage and healing mechanics (slow enough to punish, but also severely limit Lifegem stacking)
Just having estus and one or two things like Seigbrau or whatever is perfectly fine.

>DaS2 invasion mechanics (killing bosses doesn't turn off area invasions)
Minus soul memory

>DaS3 matchmaking restrictions
I should probably read these all instead of going one at a time, huh?

>DaS3 PvP accessibility (full orbs and signs available from the outset)
Okay

>DaS2 covenants
Eh, I guess.

>DaS2 and DaS3 weapon moveset variety (full power-stancing, R2 charging, WAs)
Yes

>DaS2 backstabbing mechanics and stamina recovery mechanics (apply this also to roll recovery frames)
Or at the very least keep 2's animations

>DaS3 hyperarmor combined with DaS2 poise
Or just any poise, really.
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>>188022902

ps4 game was gutted to run on ps3. toss in an incompetent director and you have das2
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>>188007848
>HEHE GUIZ LOL MIRACLE BUILDS SUCK REMEMBER HAHA LIKEANDSUBSCRIBE
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>>188022902
It was released for the PS3, with way too much shit added into it, which the PS3 wasn't built for. So they had to downgrade.
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>>188022930
>Adaptability a shit
only possible complaint against adaptability is that dumb players won't understand its importance and should be handheld by removing it. Aka DS3
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>>188022930
Adaptability is fine as long as the game is balanced for both high ADP and low ADP play, which Dark Souls 2 wasn't. It was just a straight 'Put points here to not be shit' stat.
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>>188022902
Shibuya was put in charge the project early and blew most of the budget on concept art and trailers, but had very little actual gameplay finished.

A bunch of older creatives and managers like Tanimura, Yuzo Kojima, and Naotoshi Jin were brought in as damage control to rebuild the game, and the release was delayed. They had different ideas for what souls should be and tried to make it a high fantasy open world game, and get away from the more annoying parts of DS1.

However Bandai Namco was worried that the delay would make it released too close to BB, so to recoup losses, they wanted a PS4/XB1 port as well as a PS3/360 release. This means different development platforms, APIs, etc. Given that the game was doing a complete overhaul from concept art onward, they basically had to start from scratch. The graphics downgrade was because they were just fundamentally two completely different games that had to be done from scratch, and where one was basically being designed for trailers, the latter one had to be designed to actually work.

most of this is explained in the translated design works: http://peterbarnard1984.tumblr.com/post/113163062955/dark-souls-2-design-works-translation

From reading that it's pretty obvious that when Tanimura took over, the only things worth using from the old version were concept art and character designs.

>>188022954
this isn't actually true, DS2 was announced as a PS3/360 game.
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>>188018494
That webm just remembered me how much I miss some of DS2s animation, backstabbing with a Halberd was so fucking satisfying.
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>>188022860
Yeah. I never said that's what ds2 did. Getting invaded in a cleared area is silly, especially since the invader's purpose is to stop you from progressing. I didn't pvp much in ds2 because I didn't enjoy it much, but I remember in ds1, trying to invade in any somewhat popular area with the boss active was nightmare. I mean, if you don't have to be "human" to invade this is kind of resolved, but you'll still need to kill yourself after each successful invasion
>>188022975
It's a meme, you dip. Like crabs and poise
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>>188023087
>2 heads
Wasn't she supposed to have blue eyes?
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>>188023056
Adaptability is basically Resistance, but with the added bonus of letting the developer get away with having shitty hitboxes.
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>>188023698
It's an unfinished page
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>>188023552
What about Aldia and the edited level layouts in DS2 SOTFS?
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>>188023569
>since the invader's purpose is to stop you from progressing.
In DS2, cleared areas are still hard progression because of the SM skip, and most of them have 2 bosses or optional parts of them. Revisiting old areas is extremely common in DS2, so invading a cleared area makes sense. Plus it increases network activity.
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>>188023569
Nah, since it'd be using DaS3's matchmaking, where you basically never get invaded solo unless you spend a full hour in an area doing nothing, use a dried finger, or summon a phantom.
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>>188023731
literally not at all

Agility is your difficulty modifier for timing. High agility = less precise timing needed. It's a player-controlled buffer for overall speed of the game, combined with equip weight %. Just like everything in DS2, it's a check-and-balance against a game system, so that if players are ever having trouble they can just 'fix' the game themselves by changing their stats.

Resistance was -fundamentally broken- because armor provided more poison resistance and physical defense than you would possibly ever need, to such an extent that 1 point in endurance to wear heavier armor is ALWAYS better than 1 point in resistance.

The two aren't even comparable. One is vital for new players and one is always a bad idea no matter what. ADP would be like resistance if you could just equip heavier armor and immediately have 115 agility
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>>188022930
The issue with ADP was that it wasn't made obvious enough.
Sure "Governs the effectiveness of evasive actions" seems kind of obvious if you know it determines your iframes, but people didn't really seem to catch on.

Balancing wise it was ok, shield builds didn't need it so they got a few spare levels
Casting builds didn't need it because attunement gave enough Agility to carry you through
Melee only, no shields gonna roll everything heugh builds were that got fucked by it, not helped by the usual attitude of the players who employ that play style refusing to level the one stat that explicitly said to make it stronger and instead thinking they can just git gud enough without it.

At it's worst ADP was a trap for overconfident players and something you just dumped 20 points into, then proceeded to ignore for the rest of the game.
Why they made 85 (5 iframes) the base instead of 86 (8 iframes) is a question for the ages because it meant for a single level invested into ADP you got 60% more iframes
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>>188023760
The DLC and SOTFS changes were fixing the game's lore, and Tanimura basically said in the design works that the DLC was done from scratch like he preferred, but the base game was not.

There were a lot of changes to item descriptions with patches (which vanilla got as well in the "scholar" patch). I think nashandra being a shard of manus was not part of the original lore, and aldia was mentioned a lot more post-patch. I think that's because for SOTFS, Miyazaki was less busy with BB so he wanted to make sure that DS2's lore was more consistent with DS1.

The edited enemy placement in SOTFS seemed to mostly be about putting enemies where they made sense lore wise (more statues, more petrification) adding a lot of NG+ enemies, and adding enemies that helped guide the players (like the dragon at heide's tower). Sometimes those priorities seem to be at odds with each other.

Overall, a pretty fucked development cycle, but the game is amazing considering how bad it was. It's twice as large as DS1 with half as much development time, better framerate with higher resolution yet uses less graphical resources, and huge improvements across the board to the mechanics and online functionality. It's just not as creatively inspiring .
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>>188024036
If dodging is already modified by encumbrance, why add a stat that effects it as well? It's fixing a problem that was never there, and given the hitboxes in DaS2, I can't help but think the i-frames where added to cover up for it.
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>>188024070
>Why they made 85 (5 iframes) the base instead of 86 (8 iframes) is a question for the ages because it meant for a single level invested into ADP you got 60% more iframes

Because DS2 is designed to force players to learn the game and customize or get fucked because of it. You're supposed to experiment.

They saw people playing DS1 by running around naked and leveling only health and strength and immediately wanted to do the exact opposite.

Problem is that is exactly what everyone tried to do in DS2 anyway
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>>188024070
I liked ADP because you could tailor iframes and encumbrance completely separately. My sorcerer and hexer (neither with armor) didn't need any more AGI than was provided by Attunement, while my 69.9% Havel STR build didn't feel comfortable rolling until 105 AGI.
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>>188024626
>If dodging is already modified by encumbrance, why add a stat that effects it as well?
Because iframes =/= roll distance, and making the two unable to be separated is a problem with DS1/DS3.

And before you go "yeah well they force players to dump levels where they shouldn't!" remember that DS2 gives you many, many more levels in early game than DS1 or 3 does, more than making up for it, and the starting classes have lower stats so that you can min-max more. It's overall a huge amount of choice to players that DS1 didn't give them. More choice isn't bad.

Like others have said, the problem wasn't giving players choices, it was making it unclear what those choices were until they tried them out.

>I can't help but think the i-frames where added to cover up for it.
This makes literally no sense, since DS2 has lower iframes than the other games, which would mean hitboxes would need to be tighter (and they are). Most weapons hitboxes don't extent beyond the actual blade (unlike DS1/DS3), and have a up/down range also, meaning players can actually crouch under those attacks.

The issue with "phantom range" is ping, not hitboxes. The examples people throw around (pursuer's curse stab) are usually GRAB attacks, not slashes.

There's no real issue with the hitboxes and even if they were going to cover it up by adding a stat (which would have had to be added and designed in the game WAY BEFORE they added weapons and their hitboxes, BTW) then why make the iframes lower than other games?
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>>188024626
Nigga DS2 hitboxes are par for the course of the series if you get your Agility up
You can dick around with CE in 1 and 3, running around with 4 iframe rolls and see how much shit you get hit by that feels really off. All the games have their share of fucked up hitboxes, 2 just had the bright idea of starting the game off with next to no iframes.

>If dodging is already modified by encumbrance, why add a stat that effects it as well?
Because clearly encumbrance alone wasn't enough? The tradoffs were usually so bad that going for armor over iframes was never worth the trade, after all why waste the effort, equip better armor to just take slightly less damage, as opposed to being at the upper edge of the best fast roll and take NO damage.
The devs themselves realized that almost nobody played with above 25% load in 1, so in 2 they tried to fix it with APD, in 3 they just gave up on trying to fix equip load entirely and just gave a "stay below this point you mong" threshold that was really generous, then balanced the game around absolutely everyone rolling around like a madman
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>>188025228
>The devs themselves realized that almost nobody played with above 25% load in 1, so in 2 they tried to fix it with APD, in 3 they just gave up on trying to fix equip load entirely and just gave a "stay below this point you mong" threshold that was really generous, then balanced the game around absolutely everyone rolling around like a madman

PS2/PS1 era devs that make shooters and slow RPGs trying desperately to program a decent game underneath the autistic demands of Miyazaki even though they would all rather be making shooting robots and magical samurais
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>>188023197
That's wrong, though.
Casters get Agility through Attunement, at a slower rate, but they don't need it as much since they use ranged attacks.
Melee builds can use shields if they don't want to level Adaptability. I've beaten the game with minimum iframes this way.
ADP is only necessary for shieldless melee builds, because rolling is the only defensive option they have.

The problem is that rolling was so effective by default in DS1 that many people got into the mentality rolling is the only viable playstyle, then DS3 made even better. The thing is, DS2 allows more different playstyles than the other 2 games.
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>>188025040
I still think it's over-complicating an already simple system. Dark Souls is an action game at it's core and for certain things like dodging, less is more. Wearing lighter armor? You dodge faster and further. Wearing heavy armor? You dodge slower and shorter. Giving players extra levels so they can dump extra points into a stat just because you want to take something that isn't broken and try to fix it anyway is fundamentally stupid. It's like manufacturing a car with an extra steering wheel that you need to spin to make it turn properly; You're not adding an extra steering options, you're just taking something that worked perfectly fine and making it more complicated just for the sake of making it more complicated.
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>>188025228
Plenty of people mid-rolled in DaS and for at least a few bosses (like the Four Kings) fat rolling was perfectly fine because you could just tank most of the damage with something like Havel's set and a decent shield.
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>>188026035
>just because you want to take something that isn't broken
But that's the issue, it WAS broken. You never wore armor too heavy to roll well in unless you were either stupid or shooting yourself in the foot for a more challenging run.
Evidently everyone else agreed as well, 3 kept 2's good roll animation at higher equip loads but since it removed ADP and the scaling costs on stamina regen was removed as well the game roll souls 3 with no consequences for armor

The system WAS broken, plain and simple, it needed fixing, and every game since 1 has tried to fix it in it's own way, 2 with Agility and stamina/roll distance penalties. BB with just removed it entirely and 3 by just making the fast roll effective at very high equip loads
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>>188026253
Yeah and plenty of people have beaten all the bosses in all the games at SL1 without ever rolling so what point are you trying to make?
You have to be flat out retarded if you don't think the every game past 1 abandoning midrolls is anything other than an attempt to fix a broken system, after all if the system was perfectly fine then why on earth did they try to redesign it 3 times?
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>>188025040
>the starting classes have lower stats so that you can min-max more
irrelevant, ds2 is sl based
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>>187984264
what is that?
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>>188026742
A crystal lizard holding a sunlight medal
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>>188026701
It's not and nobody is talking about PvP balancing
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>>188026849
yeah I know but what is it? an official figurine or something?
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>>188026270
>You never wore armor too heavy to roll well in unless you were either stupid or shooting yourself in the foot for a more challenging run.
Or if you didn't put points into END which you would have anyway if you wanted to have decent stamina.

>Yeah and plenty of people have beaten all the bosses in all the games at SL1 without ever rolling so what point are you trying to make?
How in God's name is using Havel's armor to beat the Four Kings or similar bosses on par with doing an SL1 run?

You already have a stat that improves your rolling. In DaS and DeS, it was Endurance and in DaS3 it was Vitality. You want to roll faster in heavy armor? Increase your ability to carry more shit. Simple.
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Does anyone have the latest weapon tier list? The one that had the spells with it.
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>>188027435
This one?
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>>188026983
Even then, since there is no downside to have high stats in areas you don't use (and in fact they give you defenses and hp) it's irrelevant
>>188025228
Close but no cigar. Hitboxes are mostly fine in souls, what is fucked is how your hurtbox moves while you roll. If instead of rolling you ran to, those attacks that shouldn't hit you don't. Perhaps this would be easier to showcase with a still player against a player controlled enemy/boss
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>>188027170
>How in God's name is using Havel's armor to beat the Four Kings or similar bosses on par with doing an SL1 run?
Point being that playing suboptimally and beating the bosses does in no way prove that the systems work well, that was aimed more towards the midrolling part of your comment.
Is it possible to beat the game midrolling? Yes? Is it nearly as good as just minmaxing poise and fastrolling? No. Does this mean that the system is balanced correctly and not broken? Fuck no.

>You want to roll faster in heavy armor? Increase your ability to carry more shit. Simple
Ironically enough this applies most of all to DS2, where your rolling distance was tied directly to your equip load and not just breakpoints to hit.
If you want to roll faster in heavier armor in DS3 then you don't do anything, because you get a fast roll up to an absurdly high point, leveling VIT is very very very very rarely worth it

I honestly don't even get what point your failing to make, you admit that the DS1 system is shit because it's tied to endurance which you level up for every build anyway, but at the same time claim it was perfectly fine and never needed changing, but also claim that DS3 system was fine despite which removed all the dept to rolling and weight management while also saying shit like
>Wearing lighter armor? You dodge faster and further. Wearing heavy armor? You dodge slower and shorter.
Which is explicitly not the case, you either fastroll or you don't roll at all there is no faster/slower, there is just roll/don't roll
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>he still doesn't know that the oily patches on the Hellkite bridge in das1 cause you to take more damage from the fire and often causes players to be instakilled by the fire attack

shiggy diggy
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>>188027578
>since there is no downside to have high stats in areas you don't use
Except investing having invested levels into stats that don't benefit you as opposed to stats that do?
The fuck you smoking nigger?
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>>188024526
What about Tanimura's role in DS3's development?
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>>188027483
What's the deal with the Lothric Knight Greatsword? I never used it because its stats didn't look good and its fashinsouls is weak.
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>>188027952
I have no idea, I uninstalled DaS3 some time ago and just playing DaS2 and Folklore lately.
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>>188027952
Typical Big Dick Ultra weapon that will never hit anybody competent.
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>>188027814
What are you smoking? We are talking about starting classes. You haven't invested anything for the starting class.
>>188028141
Ahh yes, the good old "I never attack first" dance
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>>188028252
Duelling is cancer anyway. Ultras are mostly fine in invasions.
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>Lure party into corridor
>Throw Seething Chaos behind them
>They can either eat that or walk into my chaos zweihander
>But they decide to do both and die
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>>188027669
>Point being that playing suboptimally and beating the bosses does in no way prove that the systems work well, that was aimed more towards the midrolling part of your comment.
How is mid-rolling suboptimal? Mid-rolling isn't fucking crippling you and making you completely worthless, you're just SLIGHTLY less effective at dodging. Big fucking deal.

>If you want to roll faster in heavier armor in DS3 then you don't do anything, because you get a fast roll up to an absurdly high point, leveling VIT is very very very very rarely worth it
DS3's system is far from perfect, but at least it lets you focus more on stats that deal damage so you can focus more on your weapons, stamina, and health. Souls is better when it's more action oriented like the later Castlevania games it emulates.

>Which is explicitly not the case, you either fastroll or you don't roll at all there is no faster/slower, there is just roll/don't roll

http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Equipment+Load
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>>188028252
>You haven't invested anything for the starting class.
You have though, if you take cleric with its 12 faith and never use miracles but instead run around with a rapier all game then you have to spend 9 levels to bring your DEX up to the point where it would have been had you just chose to start as a Swordsman.

Like seriously what the actual fuck are you trying to say here?
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Posting ambient sounds :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7B00o3yk1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu-5ufTciuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwAsoFSg9z4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmBSQb_f0hU

Looking for the Gutter and the Chasm of the Abyss.
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>>188028437
>How is mid-rolling suboptimal?
By being worse than fastrolling both in the amount of iframes it gives and the amount of recovery frames while not actually giving any benefit that you couldn't also get on a minmaxed fastrolling build?

It's a shit system, plain and simple, so shit in fact every game after 1 removed it entirely because the tradoffs were never worth it.
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>>188028687
Holy shit the Crucifixion Woods one sounds terrifying
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>>188028719
>By being worse than fastrolling both in the amount of iframes it gives and the amount of recovery frames while not actually giving any benefit that you couldn't also get on a minmaxed fastrolling build?
I've played DaS with a fast rolling character and a mid-rolling character and barely noticed a difference. As long as you time your dodges, you're perfectly fine.

>It's a shit system, plain and simple, so shit in fact every game after 1 removed it entirely because the tradoffs were never worth it.
More defense? A better weapon and or shield (depending on your preference)? The ability to carry multiple weapons without having to switch them in your inventory?
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>>188028437
>DS3's system is far from perfect, but at least it lets you focus more on stats that deal damage
That's a rather strange way to look at things
It takes 516546 souls to reach SL100 in DS2, it takes 1992060 souls to reach SL100 in DS3.
For the same amount of souls it takes to reach SL100 in DS3 you can reach SL163 in DS2.
That combined with DS3's 50 softcap on damage stats and DS2's 40 softcap on damage stats means that you have far more levels to spend on your damage stats, stamina and health than you do in 3, even if you have to dump some levels into ADP
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>>188029092
Too bad it doen't live up to its name.
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>>188029092
Honestly, the entire soundtrack is horrifying. Well, rather than horrifying, it's just threatening. If it wasn't for the fact that you're an undead knight with a heavy plate armor and unlimited lives, people would be scared shitless of that game.
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is it frowned upon to use shields in the arena
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>>188029125
>I've played DaS with a fast rolling character and a mid-rolling character and barely noticed a difference. As long as you time your dodges, you're perfectly fine.
Aaaand we come right back around to >>188027669 It is possible to beat the games with suboptimal builds, it's possible to beat them at SL1, that doesn't mean its well balanced you fucking mongoloid.
>More defense? A better weapon and or shield (depending on your preference)? The ability to carry multiple weapons without having to switch them in your inventory?
Again all things you could do while fastrolling if you just optimized better. Whatever enjoy your last (You), I have no interest discussing anything with someone who is either retarded or blind enough to actually claim that the difference between fastrolling and midrolling in 1 is "barely noticeable"
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>>188029147
I want to refute your point, but I'd have to figure out how many souls you receive in one game VS. the other and I've neither the time nor the patience so I'll just give you that one.
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>>188029296
Why would it be?
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>>188028687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOd7gJKudNA&list=PLiVSF2AAhkqefxaIjAUWmNOuZf-i3AoWD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ONaCYZ7LM&list=PLiVSF2AAhkqdMICqoGgHZZoycaChLnTg6

Ask this guy
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>>188028687

My favourite one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRq4rGeOiAA
The spookiest one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1WK_8H0QZM
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>>188029296
Who gives a fuck, as long as you don't cheat?
Actually, feel free to use shield, you'll get kicked and countered.
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>>188029296

Why would you care
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>>188029458
>Painted World
>spooky
Huh?

>>188029450
I'll check his channel, thanks.
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>>188029365
It's because 2 changed the formula from 1 to account for the Vit/End split and the addition of ADP
3 uses almost the exact same leveling curve as 1 (1995851 souls to reach SL100 in DS1, 1992060 to reach SL100 in DS3) without accounting for the Vit/End split and the addition of Luck
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>>188029581
>>Painted World
>>spooky

The graveyard with the empty prison boxes has special ambient effects.
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>>188029665
Oh, yeah. I had to raise my volume to like 200% to hear it.
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>>188029364
>Again all things you could do while fastrolling if you just optimized better. Whatever enjoy your last (You), I have no interest discussing anything with someone who is either retarded or blind enough to actually claim that the difference between fastrolling and midrolling in 1 is "barely noticeable"
I don't like calling people autistic because it's become a default insult that's lost it's original meaning, but if you're gonna sit there and tell me that DaS's system was shit because fast rolling was so much more efficient than mid-rolling in DaS that you might as well completely avoid mid-rolling like the plague instead of adapting which takes barely any effort, then you've gotta be at least somewhere significant on the spectrum.

Thanks for the debate. Even if neither of us convinced the other of anything, it was at least kinda fun.
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>>188028687
>wolf howling in the back
noice touch
>>188029147
I don't think that's a particularly fair way to compare. You'd need to also see how many souls are found/dropped by enemies and that is very hard to mathematicize for a standard playthrough starting from the cemetery all the way to sl 100.
A good a example here is comparing is the early game miniboss in 1 and 3. The burg black knight is definitely much harder than the giant crystal lizard yet he drops 20% of the souls it does. Of course this doesn't go to show that souls in 1 were 400% rarer, just that you can't really compare
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How much work and passion was put into Dark Souls 1?
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>>187969710
im responding to a 15 hour post to tell you this looks baller as fuck
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>>188030276
Given the videos I saw, a lot. Do you know that the entirety of Anor Londo was modelized? At 1:1, not a skybox like in, I dunno, Team Fortress 2, no, they made an ENTIRE FUCKING CITY.
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>>187969710
I'm responding to an almost 16 hour old post to tell you it would look better on a female
>>188030715
You should see the mountains around ds3
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>>188030997
I haven't found a channel exploring DaS3 yet. I know that "Crestfallen" on Youtube explores Anal Rodeo and the Abyss a bit, I know that there's an "Out of Bound" serie that does varied games, including the Mortal Kombat, but I haven't found one for DaS3 yet.
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>>188030997
>You should see the mountains around ds3

explain
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>>188030715
Anything else?
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>>188031203
The ds3 table has a very easy to use noclip script, you can do it yourself
>>188031358
Endless fucking expanses of mountains, not much to be said
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>>188031481
Yeah. It's the same for every town in the background that you can see. From the Undead Burg, the entirety of Blightown and the Swamp can be seen.

>>188031503
No fucking way.
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What is the most visually impressive part of a Souls game?
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>>188032183
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>>188032354
why do the graphics pop-in? too stressful?
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>Summon Bradley of the Old Guard
How much life does this fucker have? I see him use Estus', but his health barely moves from them.
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>>188032572
An area you never visit. There's a few of them in the game that are low res.
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does this also count for PvE or is this a PvP tier list only
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>>188033139
Pretty sure only the biggest/slowest weapons are shit in PvE, especially in the early Souls game where you fight in small spaces.
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>>188032683
All DS2 NPC summons are like that.
If I had to guess, it's to compensate vanilla NPCs have bad AI and never roll, so they would die fast except for the ones with shield.
SotFS NPCs have much better AI, but still have lots of HP, that's why they're the best.
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>>188033351
What?
Big slow weapons are great for PvE for 1, you just running attack->r1 everything, and since you do fugheuge amounts of poise damage you just stunlock them to death.
It's the later games were smaller weapons end up winning the DPS war, but in 1 Zweihander/black knight greatsword 2handed going to town is my far the easiest way to play the game
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>>188033425
Are the spiders seriously just watching that fight?
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>>188033770
Spiders don't attack or get too close if you use a torch, they become "active" but they won't actually ever hit you
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>the piglets grow into boars on NG+
Huh, that's neat
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>>188034420
That's fucking terrifying.
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>>188034420
Why ng+ in ds3 is so boring compare to 2, guy?
It's only bearable when I find somebody to co-op with.
At this rate I think I may just CE to collect everything.
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>>188023087
whats the sauce for this comic again?
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>>188034420
NG+7 brume tower is fun, every NG+ cycle adds a few more until its like 50% red phantoms in the end. Some of them of them are just there for atmosphere like the rogue set wearing dudes who just throw firebombs and attack with a +0 notched whip
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>>188034852
>that red phantom possessed armor at the other end of the chain bridge where the exploding guys are
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>>188034725
you could try googling the name
>>188033139
consider what makes a weapon good in pve and what in pvp
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Why does Dark Souls 1 have FPS drops? Are the areas too big to render?
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>>188027435
The newest list will always be in the useful pvp data that's included in the OP.
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>>188035816
Now add chimes, talismans, staves, flames and the list will be complete.
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>>188036090
That's pointless though, if we assume SL120 meta then it just becomes a descending list based on spell buff.
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>>188036090
Most catalysts are only judged based on their spellbuff
>talisman is the best for poisecasting at 60 fai
>yorshka's is the best for buffing
>filis has the best chime WA
>sunlight is good for throwing ganks off cliffs
>crystal is great if you're some SMS+replenishment turtlefag
>saint's is ass and should never be used
I don't think anything else matter for miracles. Sorc catalysts are even simpler. Flames is scar>basic>parting>>30 meters of putrid boiling shit>>WHT
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>>188033759
Not in the first games, because I can guarantee you they'll hit the walls constantly.
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>>188037190
No, really just no.
Running attacks are usually overheads and those don't bounce off of walls, same for jumping attacks. 2handed big strong weapons are great for PvE because enemies are predictable as fuck and it's the most effective way to deal damage in the windows the bosses give you
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>>188037415
I require a webm.
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>>188037415
I'm pretty sure running attacks still do bounce unless you hit with the tip. Can always use jumping attacks tho
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>>188036692
>Scar > Basic > Parting

But that's wrong

Scar is good for it's R1 > Black Flame true combo and because it's also a curved sword

Basic has the highest spell buff

Parting has an extra hitbox when you cast anything with it that overlaps with short range pyromancy.

White Hair Talisman is good if you enjoy being intensely mediocre at both faith and pyromancy.
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>>188037650
Go play the game dumbass, the sweihander is right next to firelink shrine, you made the claim that bighuge weapons are bad because they bounce off of walls. I just called you out on being wrong.
Please don't give new players bad advice because you can't be bothered with actually checking what your saying
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>>188037920
So you don't have any proof but you refuse to admit you're wrong, okay. Gotcha.
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>>188037190
>t. dexfag
I've played through DaS1 4 times using nothing but Zweihander, twice with DGA, and did a NG+7 with dual great clubs.
R1's on all but UGS are more vertical than horizontal, and you don't bounce off ceilings at all.
moreso, all Ultras have some sort of vertical attack that'll one hit any trash mob in any narrow corridors. Speaking of corridors, once you get out of the Burg/Parish and Depths, "fighting in small spaces" is a thing of the past
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>>188038058
Nigger we are in the dark souls general not a fucking /v/ thread, go there if you want to give out shit bait in the hopes that nobody actually played the games and will just take your absurd claims at face value
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>>188038117
>I've played through DaS1 4 times using nothing but Zweihander
Okay, then post a webm.

Seriously, post one. I almost never use jumping attack and I certainly don't use running attacks as much as you do, I'm curious to see how you handle it.
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>>188038319
>I haven't even used all the grand amazing total of 6 moves that a weapon has yet feel the need to talk about how good they are
Anon why? Seriously what the actual fuck compelled you to talk so much shit while knowing so little?
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>>188038058
>"you don't have a webm of all ultra movesets being used in a small space saved to your computer just in case someone asks for proof they don't suck?"
are you fucking retarded? Go pick up the Zweihander in fucking Firelink and go test it yourself.
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>>188038464
Because we're talking to a newbie, and newbies don't use jumping attacks or running attacks, hence why you need a weapon with a reliable R1.
There's no point in saying "hey that weapon's L+R3 is awesome" if the guy never use that move to begin with.

Plus I like seeing UGS in action, I find it relaxing, even if they're useless most of the time.
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If I don't have the strength requirement to 1 hand a weapon, if I 2 hand it does it cost more stamina?
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>>188038612
>Because we're talking to a newbie, and newbies don't use jumping attacks or running attacks
Thats fucking retarded, figuring out "I press attack while also holding down sprint" isn't rocket science. Again if you want to give people shit advice for the sake of griefing them then go do it on /v/ not here.

Ultras a great for DS1 PvE, they have high damage, high poise damage, good reach and you get some really strong ones right off the bat, they enable to to stunlock even the larger enemies with R1 spam, they let you out DPS bosses they let you 1shot weaker enemies for bonus souls they are easy to land hits with on enemies that are taller than the player (sif's head, giant sentinels on their backstep leap thing).
They are the best weapons to recommend to new players because of all these factors, they are just flat out good
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Who wanna co op the first boss in the ashes dlc?
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>>188034420
And if you kill the ones in Majula enough times they're replaced by bigger boars, and then by a fuckhuge boar like this one.
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>>188037907
Scar is good for a fuckton of thing. If your sole purpose is hueg damage, sure, but combos and mixups are far superior
>Parting has an extra hitbox when you cast anything with it
It's only for specific spells like gc/bf
>>188039217
platform, dude
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New
>>188039432
>>188039432
>>188039432
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>>188039421
Ps4
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>>188038831
No
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