/utg/ - Undertale general

>>187338873
Friendly reminder that genocide is the only perfect ending.

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I have too many pictures so i'm going to have to make two (2) posts. Sorry for the spam

>Toriel
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>Asriel
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>Flowey
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>Frisk
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>Chara
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>Sans
https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DIKj5GFVoAEpSA-.mp4
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>Papyrus
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>Gaster
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIIodf_U0AABDe-.jpg:orig

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FRIENDLY REMINDER

THAT THE SHITTER IS NOT WORTH YOUR TIME AND SHOULD NOT BE REPLIED TO.

Instead of replying to him, post your fave doing something stupid! (We've had several threads go by not reaching the image limit, so this should be fine)

>>187339087
part 2
>Undyne
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>vulcan
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>Jack Frost
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>that hand monster you know the one
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIFqkctUAAADYra.jpg:orig
>Asriel + chara
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>humans
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>fishlizard
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIKVTRIVYAEg5I7.jpg:orig
>Toriel + kids
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIKVKn7UwAArJEt.jpg:orig
>Mettatblook + shyren
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIFJToPVoAAx4Xl.jpg:orig
>Undyne + Papyrus + omega vines
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHMHj10UIAAWTg8.png:orig
>Chara is a little shit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGUnJdEVYAACb5m.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGUnJjNUwAA_XHZ.jpg:orig
>Frisk protecting the skeletons from the fandom
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DERxn_XUAAAP7Cq.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DERxn_TU0AAkMt_.jpg:orig

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>>187339234
>>Jack Frost
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DILRCzDW0AEJQSl.jpg:orig
You're a good guy, Twitteranon.

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ALRIGHT, one hot fresh writing request, coming right up!

http://archiveofourown.org/works/11916129

Enjoy! I promise there's no dead roaches in it

>>187339584
Fcukong hiro

>>187339087
>>187339234
>too many pictures.
That is the exact opposite of a problem.

Thanks Twitteranon.

>>187339087
I love you twitteranon

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So this is still a thing, if you can believe it or not.

>>187339923
Whoops. Forgot the link.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1jGrrNork

>>187339923
>>187340172
What the fuck, even... Asriel is dead, and he got himself killed by refusing to defend himself...

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>>187339615
This was a fun read.

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>>187340390
Any time, man

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>>187339584
Demi-friend with their team of Cu Chulainndyne, Voidsoujou, and Matador Papyrus against Mettatron when?

>>187339234
More good stuff is always appreciated, thanks!

>>187339615
YOU LIE

>>187340352
Pretty sure it's Frisk angsting about leaving him as Flowey in a super melodramatic way.

alphys what

>>187340468
Perhaps the roach was merely pining for the fjords.

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>>187340468
MAHAHAHA
Yes I did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nru316NF2h0

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me on the right

>>187340560
Alphys slim shady.

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>>187340352
>>187340551
this is how asrielfags feel everyday. they have to try to change the games cannon or else they "failed" to try to save him.

>>187340830
Me under the bed.

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>>187340560
alphys' butt!

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>>187340690
>>187340698
NO!!! NO MORE!!!

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>>187341156
I know. For I am one too

Also whoever was caring for Frisk before they came to the underground here was terrible at making clothes.

What if mumen rider fell in the underground?

>>187341531
Killed by Flowey first thing.

>>187341156
>tfw I saved my goat
feels good

>>187341658
Nah, he'd hold out long enough for Toriel to intervene.

Which begs the question: So Toriel has pretty much mothered all the children. How would she act if it was an adult? Would she still bar them from passing and demand they fight her

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think this would make a good gaster mask if i paint it white and paint the eyes part of the old ones? thinking of carrying around a burlap sack of bones and one of those skeleton hand treat bag.

could upgrade my half assed sans mask with a cool mask with a glowy eye and a gaster blaster, but im too lazy.

>>187342017
Interesting. Go for it anon!

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>>187341476
I really don't understand why so many people fuck up Frisk and Chara's shirts. The black rim at the top is obviously a dark collar for a long-sleeved polo.

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>>187339221
This is the official theme of Charafags now. Good advice by the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czLYl4fM8yk

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>>187341207
moar

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>>187341793
>How would she act if it was an adult?
She'd still ask for them to call her mommy.

>>187342017
Don't forget the mouth and to make one eyesocket 'bigger' (with paint).

When are we dying?

>>187340172
>November 2015
How the fuck is he/she still working on that?

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>>187342425
She doesn't ask you to call her mother and gets sort of creeped out when you do and if you flirt with her afterwords she mocks your dumb ass in front of all your cool friends that fucking bitch how dare she next time i'll turn her into dust no one fucks with Frisk t. human and gets away with it

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>>187341713
feels good man

>>187342571
They gave up and moved on?

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>>187342412
There are only two pages so far anon!
http://somescrub.tumblr.com/tagged/alphys

>>187342558
I die a little every day

>>187342017
Am from the cosplay board and that sounds good to me, hope you'll post!
I'm doing memeskel this year

>>187342618
wrong goat

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>>187342618
As edgy as this is, is it better to kill Flowey or leave him alive? Being a soulless flower probably sucks a lot. But so does being dead.

>>187342726
ah ok. Thank you either way

>>187339087
>All these cute Paps
Thank you so much, Twitteranon!

>>187342665
Nah, check the description and comments. Still working on it. Somehow. Last update was 4 months ago.

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>>187342758
pls stay determined

>>187342832
Why not let him decide? He's capable of suicide.

>>187342581
I thought her reaction to your calling her "Mom" and then flirting with her was an awkward sort of humor. Like "oh how silly they're acting".
>>187342726
I wonder what anime that's supposed to be. Off the top of my head is just SAO (because .hack// and Log Horizon don't quite have that same "everyone outside of the game knows people inside the game are trapped" and Log Horizon is less "trapped in game" and more "trapped in parallel dimension that somehow budded from a game").

>>187342832
>But so does being dead.
Why do you say that. The only people who complain about dying are people who aren't dead.

>>187342832
The non edgelord option is to just leave him alive and if at some point he wants to off himself hes free to. Its not as if he can reset anymore so at worst he might kill a few people and then get shot to death or something by the human police. He knows he can't go crazy with souls anymore so theres no danger of him becoming a god or whatever

>>187342992
She literally makes fun of you at the end of TP and tells all your friends about it and calls you a weirdo

>>187342996
You're right. It could totally rock for all I know. I guess I'll tell you when I'm dead.

>>187342538
yeah that was the idea. figure even if no one knows who i am, i would just be a creepy skeleton man asking for peoples bones. figure id go for a more creepy costume since my sans one was so bad it was good. when someone asked about my sans outfit a couple of years ago, i said "well, i guess you could say im a... Lazy Bones "

>>187342832
An argument could be made for a mercy kill. But I ain't giving him the satisfaction at the end of a neutral run, and I love the Mercy scene. Beyond that, dunno.

>>187343065
Well, I didn't Flirt with her outside of the demo so...

>>187342969
>Flowey can kill himself
Are you havin' a giggle m8?
The only way he can die is to be killed by somebody with enough determination that he can't load his save.

The whole reason he found out about that power is because he DID kill himself and it didn't "stick".

>>187342969
>He's capable of suicide
All of this started because he clearly wasn't capable. Or willing.

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The spider a cute! CUTE!!!

>>187343167
>But I ain't giving him the satisfaction at the end of a neutral run
Yeah, I know how you feel.

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>>187343263
The spider is sexy

>>187343207
He survived because of a combination of having the most determination in the underground and last-moment doubts about the afterlife.
Post-TP he's not the one with the most determination (Frisk has more). Even if he did, he would have to not fully want to die in order to survive.

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>>187343263
>>187343424

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>>187343207
>>187343229
Its almost as if in all the endings where you can decide his fate his save ability has been overwritten so now he can't do that anymore!

As of TP he can't even become a god because he knows that it will fuck him up due to the guilt so hes pretty much harmless now. There's no real reason to kill him unless you want to be really edgy or something. If he feels that life has become unbearable he can always take matters into his own hands but until then let him do what he wants. Hes a conscience being and deserves that much.

There is literally no good reason to murder him during a TP run although I will say its justified during a neutral one

>>187343263
But can the Spider pray enough times to defeat Giygas!?

>>187339615
Awesome! Thanks so much for doing my request!

>>187343474
>There is literally no good reason to murder him during a TP run
I mean, you can't, even if you wanted to.

>>187343263
But why hasn't the spider achieved world peace?!

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>>187343604
You are very welcome

Reminder that there's hope for all of us and that you're loved and important.
Stay determined, anons.

>>187343638
Yeah I know but i'm going off the idea that some people seem to be proposing that it would be a mercy killing even then. It was a big part of that one Charafags genocide is great speech about how its so great because you get to free Asriel from his pain or whatever bullshit they were trying to push.
If Asriel really wants to die he can do so whenever he wants now. Hes no longer trapped in that cycle of resetting and getting bored and resetting again and then getting bored again and etc etc etc

>>187343538
No, that'd be Frisk, Undyne, or one of the Amalgamates.
>>187343653
Because money does not flow in as greater quantities at a time in a peaceful world.
>>187343813
And if someone tries to get you to kill yourself or tries to gaslight you, kick them in the fucking balls?

>>187343883
>If Asriel really wants to die he can do so whenever he wants now
Can he? His uncertainty about the afterlife for a soulless being would probably keep him from shuffling off this mortal coil. Especially now that he knows that all decisions are final.

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>>187344007
Yes, if he wants to off himself he can throw himself into a wood chipper. There is literally nothing stopping him except for his own desire to not die. Taking that choice away from him, especially since hes pretty harmless now, is not a mercy but you selfishly choosing his fate for him because you think that you know best about someone elses life.

you're basically saying I lack the ability to kill myself because i'm scared of going to hell. That's just a dumb thing to say because I still have the option too I just don't want to for various reasons

>>187344238
You're right. To do that would be selfish. But that doesn't change the fact that there are many people who would choose the option were it available.

>>187343461
I'm gonna hug that spider!
>>187343538
Sure! She could, but there is an easier way to defeat Giygas: asking nicely! The spider has enough cuteness to make it work!
>>187343653
Easy! That's because there are still people who refuse the cuteness! It is up to them to accept it and improve themselves!

>>187344238
I would kill him because he's still very powerful and there's absolutely no reason to think he won't become a psycho-killer again eventually.

>>187345387
>he's still very powerful
I don't think he could do much without the power to save and load or human souls.

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>>187344580
Those people are idiots that completely missed the point of what Flowey was saying when you reboot the game after TP.

Undertale is over and you did it. You gave the monster race their freedom and saved Asgore, Toriel and Asriel from the self imposed cycles of hatred and misery they were stuck in. Yeah you didn't fix everything one hundred percent and make everything wonderful forever but you did the best you could and sometimes that's really all you can do. You gave the most people you could hope and happiness and you have to hope that everything works out for the best because your time with the game is over and you need to be able to let go and let them live their new lives as best as they can.

That's what genofags don't seem to understand. Undertale isn't about getting a perfect ending where everyone is happy and everything is over forever because that's not what life is about. Its about trying to do the best you can and to make a difference when and where you can and having the ability to be able to let go and admit to yourself that sometimes all you can do is try your best and sometimes all your best amounts to is picking up the broken pieces and going from there. That's a major flaw of the entire goat family including Chara and its what ultimately leads to everyone being so unhappy. Asgore is unwilling to break his promise, Toriel is unwilling to swallow her price, Asriel is unwilling to stop abusing his power and Chara was unwilling to let go of her hatred of humanity and that's what damned her to become a demon (or a ghost that follows Frisk around,whatever you believe it doesn't really matter the point is the same). After TP Asgore and Toriel have a chance to reconcile to a degree rather that be getting back together, becoming friends or just being able to tolerate each other in the same room for Frisk's sake and Flowey has the chance to find new ways to entertain himself that aren't self destructive and harmful to other. Its a good ending.

>>187345481
He's still got pretty nasty magic though, and could probably be a danger to monsters.

>>187345663
So could a monster like Toriel or Asgore or fuck anyone with a gun. The point is that Flowey has no reason to kill anymore and he can't become a god so hes stuck at his base powerlevel which is strong but not immortal. There's no real reason to kill him when hes not a danger

>>187345481
There's only two people who use unavoidable bullet patterns. Flowey and Sans. And you have to surrender to sans for him to use that.

Determination makes people immortal, but its killing intent that gives a monster attack power and defense. That's why Undyne and Sans are the only hard enemies in a Geno run.

>>187345628
>Toriel is unwilling to swallow her price
I meant pride

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>>187345628
Or you can reject that ending and kill everyone. Both are equally valid options. The game only "punishes" you if you try and have your cake and eat it too.

>>187338873
Is there a Discord server for this General?

>>187345967
its valid but its clearly not the intended ending. See the fact that Toby set the Q&A a couple of months post TP and there isn't a single hint soulless ever happened. If Toby ever makes a sequel then you can bet his ass hes going to base it off normal TP because that's the only way the story can progress. The creators intentions are untimely the final say on the matter so in the end TP is canon and genocide is just a what if game mode

>>187345967
Bah. Chara's just an uppity little shit.
At the point when the game's become that meta, its like she's challenging you to find a way to delete your sins and regain control of the program.

>>187346223
>its valid but its clearly not the intended ending
Death of an Author. It's hard to say that any ending is more canon than another in a franchise with only one game. I don't think Toby would have anything to say in the matter, considering that he's all for player choice. Your end to the story of the Underground is yours and yours alone.

>>187346219
https://discord.gg/bFEVuuv

>>187346219
There are a couple. One is from the olden days with too many Asrielfags and other horrible things done, the other is more normal and has people sheltering from trolls in there. One of the people who you could consider a drawfag once in a blue moon tries to abduct drawfags into his personal discord.

>>187346223
>See the fact that Toby set the Q&A a couple of months post TP
Probably because a post genocide Q&A would be pretty fucking boring.

>>187346491
>the other is more normal
Well, I guess nazis are becoming more of a normal thing these days.

>>187346437
You can't just invoke death of the author when canon content has already been made showing that you're wrong. Toby made the Q&A and its canon so its the final say on the matter until the next one or until he does something new. What your doing would be the same as if someone read Lord of the Rings up until book 2 and then just declared that it was the canon ending and everything after it was death of the author. Its nonsensical and childish
>>187346595
Point still stands. It was choosen as the canon ending because it was the only interesting one that could have something worth continuing off of. That makes it the trur ending

>>187345628
finally someone that gets it. personally i was joking about geno to get their goat. but you pretty much summarized everything about undertale that people seem to miss or overlook in favor of what they believe SHOULD have happen/ed.

>>187346437
>Death of an Author
If you go down that path, then you may as well ignore canon altogether.

Technically, there's nothing wrong with that - everyone is free to their own interpretation - but don't force it on others.

>>187346742
>Toby made the Q&A and its canon
In a timeline where the human did true pacifist, sure.

>>187343263
No!

>>187346808
>ignore canon altogether
>All the "AUs" that exist
>especially the ones that are just Skeletons-specific "AUs" or themed costume "AUs".

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>>187346749
>personally i was joking about geno to get their goat
>get their goat

>>187346991
I just said: those are just as valid. Everyone is free to have their own interpretation. Just don't force it on others if they disagree.

>>187346749
And I present a different outlook: the ending that you ultimately choose is canon for your copy of Undertale. Your specific timeline. If it's in the game, it's a valid option. That's how I see it. Neutral, Pacifist, Genocide, Soulless Pacifist. All are acceptable outcomes.

>>187346437
>the person who made the game Q&A didnt make it fit my headcannon, therefore my headcannon is true

>>187347253
>everyones headcannon is cannon
dont you even pull a hussie on me, you.. you..
DOUBLE JERRY!

>>187347150
I'm not forcing anything. I'm just saying that the idea of "AUs" has been abused so much that the word has lost its meaning. Anything is an "AU", even when it has zero effort put into it beyond shit like "Sans is drunk all the time" or "Mettaton Legs for Everyone".

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>>187347306
In a game with multiple endings and no sequel where one succeeds over the others, yeah, that's pretty much the case.

>>187346935
Anon, that makes it canon. No one is going to seriously agure that the LOTR universe ends after the Hobbit and everything else Tolken wrote is non-canon just because the Hobbit could have been the end of it and not expect to get laughed at. Toby decided to continue the universe after TP with the Q&A so that makes it canon

>>187347480
Sonichu is real, guys!

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>>187347438
>DOUBLE JERRY!

>>187347438
Identifying an autistic shitter: Everything that happens in-game that contradicts their head-canon gets called "Head Canon".

>>187346969
I don't understand! Why are you doing this? It will get you nowhere! The only way forward is to love the spider!

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cat

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>>187347493
Anon, you're going to hate me for this, but I'm going to do it anyway. During the Sans fight, if you get dunked on and then attack, he criticizes you, saying that if you came back, then that means you must have never been friends. And then he says "don't tell that to the other Sans-es"

Multiverse theory is canon. I'm so sorry to break this to you. This isn't like LoTR where there's only one universe where events turned out a certain way. In Undertale, there are multiple simultaneous timelines.

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>>187347825
I wanna pet the pussy in the pussy.

>>187347825
She's a very Underrated character along with her gator gal pal.

>>187347828
>In Undertale, there are multiple simultaneous timelines.
Flowey being able to remember other timelines that Frisk does stuff in and the fact that characters like Toriel and Asgore have vague memories of what occurred contradicts that. Its easy to just chalk it up to Sans being wrong since he doesn't personally experience the resets and is just going off second hand knowledge and his own beliefs that might be incorrect. After all hes wrong about genocide for sure being the final ending because you can reset it into soulless

>>187347825
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DABQnLRVwAAMONC.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE2ddCGUwAErYVa.png:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE544sWUwAEMBOC.png:orig

>>187348023
Bratty a shit. Catty's a sweetheart.

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>>187348334
nice

>>187348049
>Flowey being able to remember other timelines that Frisk does stuff in and the fact that characters like Toriel and Asgore have vague memories of what occurred contradicts that
Not really.
>Its easy to just chalk it up to Sans being wrong
I doubt Toby would include information like that just to have it later turn out to be wrong. As for soulless, he's not wrong: it is the end. It's just that things start up again at the other end and continue to play out.

I'm sorry True Pacifist isn't canon, but that was never the point. Toby included more than 1 ending for a reason.

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I love this boy.
Okay thanks, bye.

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>>187348345
rude af
bratty a cute

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>>187348345
She'd suck a child's dick for a dirty Glamburger

>>187348643
See you later.

>>187348557
I should elaborate a bit on the first point. See, there are 3 types of resets. Reset, which is the same timeline being repeated. This is why characters recognize you after your first journey. Second are true resets. This is jumping into the start of a completely different timeline. Hence why nobody, not even Flowey, remembers. And finally, there's the genocide reset. I don't know what happens here. Chara could have recreated the world from the start again. It's definitely a whole new universe because any attempt to get a true pacifist ending after that point results in soulless.

The time travel in Undertale isn't as poorly-thought out as it seems. There are actual in-game rules that determine who remembers what and when.

>>187348557
>Not really.
Anon, its literally impossible for Flowey to have known what you did if the game really worked on the idea that the timelines braced out. He would have to have complete omniscience over every single timeline since he wouldn't shift along with Frisk since he lacks the ability to do so anymore and its very clear he doesn't otherwise he would know every possible thing that was going to occur right then and there like some kind of even more crazy Dr.Manhattan. The only way Flowey can do what he does in game is if there is only one timeline that its being pulled back to the starting point over and over and that's it.
>It's just that things start up again at the other end and continue to play out.
that means its not the end of all timelines if one comes back and continues past that point.

I'm sorry but your logic just doesn't work out

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>>187348648
I wanna have sex with that alley gator

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>>187347825
fat cat

>>187348967
see
>>187348947
You're a little late to the punch, anon. I've already explained myself. It's consistent with what Sans says.

>>187348947
>>187349283
but even in that case it still means that the canon timeline for Undertale is the one that picks up past TP since its what Toby made the Q&A based on. Its still the same logic as trying to say that the Hobbit is the last canon book set in the LOTR universe and that the other books aren't canon because death of the author and because the Hobbit has an ending.

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>>187349136

>>187349361
>but even in that case it still means that the canon timeline for Undertale is the one that picks up past TP since its what Toby made the Q&A based on
I've refuted your entire argument so you've resorted to repeating yourself. True Pacifist is just one of many possible timelines. It's the one Toby chose to do a Q&A for because he thought it'd be funny to have 10 separate answers to the same stupid question.

Unless you're so desperate for new content you'll even consider glorified shitposts as canon.

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>>187349167
the fattest

>>187349136
I really wish there were more bootylicious bratty pics

>>187349543
got the uncensored version

>>187349136
>>187349609
I would fuck them both.

>>187347787
Some people are actually believing your gibberish and I need to make sure the truth is out there.
Why don't you help me make the road shorter and admit the spider is not cute!

>>187349710
I don't think they'd give you a choice. It's a 2-for-1 deal.

>>187349831
Even better!

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>>187349693
That's the full version
But have these instead:
https://i.4cdn.org/trash/1503796592857.png
https://i.4cdn.org/trash/1503796667600.png

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>>187349710
the only correct choice

>>187348947
>This is jumping into the start of a completely different timeline
Well, kind of. Flowey states that doing so would rip everyone from that point and bring them back to the start, but at the same time, Sans was physically monitoring the progression of timelines. Something not even Flowey was capable of.

>>187349929
I feel like a Floridian

>>187349581
>.It's the one Toby chose to do a Q&A
and that's what makes it canon. Because the creator of the work chose it to be the one that the story continues off of even if that story was just as simple as seeing what the undertales were up to some time after the barrier

Which was the point of it. Yes it was framed around the joke of asking the same question over and over but the point of it was to get an idea of what the characters were doing and how they fared post TP while learning more about them which is something that I don't understand why people missed. You aren't suppose to come away from the Q&A only knowing that Papyrus favorite food is dino oatmeal. Youre suppose to see that Sans and Toriel are still friends, you're suppose to see that Alphys and Undyne are still going strong, you're suppose to see that Flowey is still around, you're suppose to see that Bpants still has a shitty job, you're suppose to see that Asgore loves shitty internet memes and hangs around with Alphys and Undyne and that Alphys taught them the internet.

Yes it was framed around a joke be we still got very real and valid information about the characters and their post ending lives. For genocide to actually be considered just as canon Toby would have to do set some kind of content post genocide ending. As he hasn't yet the only logical assumption is that TP is the intended ending and the one that Toby chose to continue the universe of Undertale off of and that's why its canon.

I don't know if you've played Drakengard or not but its a perfect example of multiple endings and timelines being canon because they have content set in the various different endings that mean they all are just as valid and just as canon. Undertale only has new content based on a single ending so its the only ending until Toby decides to make something based around the void in TP or around the soulless ending

>>187350218
Please don't fuck the gators.

>>187350036
It is the choice of champions!

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>>187349136
I wanna smooch those feet

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>>187350260
>and that's what makes it canon
Except it doesn't. Your worthless pacifism is just as valid as my glorious genocide. We are the same.

>>187350430
I'd use her ass as a gatory pillow

>>187350260
Anon why are you so determined to try and prove your preferred ending is the right one and all other endings are wrong? Why can't everyone just have their own preferred ending?

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>>187350683
Anon, i'm sorry but my argument is just better than yours. Its not your fault, its Toby for deciding to make more new content instead of just finishing his damn game.

if it makes you feel better hes doing dumb ARG shit again with the last PC update so we might get a new game out of it or more content and all this theory crafting and headcanon crap will have been for nothing

>>187350831
Honestly I don't really care if people want to consider Genocide canon to their whatever since I don't give a fuck what you personally believe but when you start to try and push over and over on other people, people are going to push back and it just so happens that there is a pretty good argument to be made that TP is canon.

Also im bored and this is kind of fun and I like arguing about shit. I've argued for genocide being canon in the past before the Q&A came out so its not like i'm outraged or triggered at it being possible. I don't mind extremely depressing endings. One of my favorite games of all time was fucking Nier and no one got a happy ending in that (until maybe automata but I haven't played that yet so I don't know) Okay maybe Beepy got a happy ending but i'm not sure if that's been retconned yet. Everyone else suffered like fucking crazy and died pointless depressing deaths

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>>187351420
You're okay in my books, anon, but I think a tad misguided. The Q&A IS canon - for the true pacifist ending. It has no sway on the neutral and genocide endings. In fact I'd say that anything in the game is the purest source of canon, and the Q&A is a secondary type of canon. But you can't have a true pacifist ending where the events listed in the Q&A didn't happen. I admit that.

But the fact we're even having this conversation is pretty sad, ain't it? Besides, everyone knows Towel is the most canon Undertale.

>>187351420
>and all this theory crafting and headcanon crap will have been for nothing
One can only hope.

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>>187351825
>and the Q&A is a secondary type of canon
I know where you're coming from and its an idea that i've seen used before in stuff like Harry Potter and I mean we all have video games that we would rather pretend aren't canon for various reasons Silent Hill Origins and Homecoming but I don't know how much I personally believe in the idea of some canon things being more canon than others when it was all created by a single dude. That's a weird slope to go down and brings up a lot of weird possibilities like that LOTR example I used. Like where do you draw the line? Is everyone's opinion just as valid? Is my shitty Harry Potter alternate year 7 fanfic just as valid as the Deathly Hollows?

I personally think Death of the Author should only apply if its an attempt to go back and retcon something that already occurred sometime after a work is finished. An example would be Star Wars and the infamous who shoot first thing or the Hermione really being black thing even though there are quotes in book that contract that. The Q&A doesn't really do that.

>>187352457
That contradict that not contract.

I'm getting tired.

>>187352457
>Is everyone's opinion just as valid?
In regards to the endings, yes. But if you want a true pacifist ending you have to accept the Q&A.

Saying that because one ending got a joke Q&A so the other endings need one too to become canon is stupid and disingenuous. Because you can't have a similar thing for those endings. That's why Toby chose the True Pacifist ending.

It's not death of an author, it's saying that content that is canon for one ending isn't necessarily canon for others.

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>>187352718
I addressed that with the whole LOTR vs Hobbit thing. Yes you could in theory agure that the ending of the Hobbit is the only canon piece of information and that everything else is just as canon but its clearly not going to be true. To use a somewhat revlevant example right now in gaming it would be as if you tried to agure the ending in Half Life 1 where you turn down G-mans job offer and he drops you into a void to die a horrific death is just as canon as the ending where you accept and the later games are built off of. Unless its something like Drakengard that has multiple timelines as a canon plot point and pieces of media that exist in all of those timelines to the point that none of them are really more canon than the others. That would be okay but Undertale hasn't really done that. So far we've only gotten proof that the TP ending is canon and the rest are just what ifs.

Here i'll use Silent Hill as another one. Silent Hill 1 has 4 endings but because the third game is a direct sequel only the 3rd or 4th ones should be considered canon since its the only point that gets expanded on. They're simply more valid than the others because they have stuff that exist outside themselves, more proof of existing if you will.

>>187352718
>>187353184

thank god we dont have one coherent main storyline, otherwise people might be offended!.

>>187353184
I'm sorry anon but I can't accept what you're trying to put forward here. It's just one tiny Q&A. Not an additional 3 books, or several other games. It's barely anything. You're grasping at straws here.
>Unless its something like Drakengard that has multiple timelines as a canon plot point
And according to Sans it does. Unless you're going to dismiss what he says as noncanon, which is in the game, which is the purest source of canon. But doing that and then insisting that a joke Q&A is canon would be stupid.

There will be no official "canon" ending to Undertale until there is an Undertale sequel. So if you're just going to keep going around in circles, we can stop the conversation here.

Had a little free time so I did a shitposty mashup of funk pancadão (BR genre, ridiculously dirty lyrics) and Asgore's theme.

https://soundcloud.com/ryunocore/asgore-lelek/s-yOSKN

Anyone else doing what can arguably be constituted as OC?

>>187353653
I'm working on Chapter 30 of Breaking Through Fate.
There are some pretty big revelations that happen in the chapter, so I have to make it appropriately dramatic.

I also went back and edited some dialogue in previous chapters to make it flow better.

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>>187353479
>it's just one tiny Q&A
but its written by Toby Fox and since hes the god of the Undertale universe, both in a literal and figurative sense, hes get the final say so he literally does get to decide which ending is true and which ending is just a what if. TP simply has more proof of being the 'canon' one than the others so for now its the only ending that ii would make sense to be considered canon. This could easily change in the future since as you said he left it open to the point that he could toy with the idea of there being alternate timelines due to a true reset. An example of a post genocide ending that would make it canon that could still be told would be if some how Sans or Gaster or whoever were able to pierce into and view that dead timeline first hand from one of the good ones. You could easily use that to set up a new game or something by having Chara escape or Frisk escape into the new universe or any thousands of weird shit i've seen done with that concept. Its not impossible to have stuff occur after genocide.


This isn't related since it really has nothing to do with the agurment that TP is more canon than genocide but its a little nitpick I have with Sans speech at the end of the game and the fandoms view on it in general so i'll give my thoughts.

The thing is that you're blindly accepting Sans word as if hes being used as a direct mouth piece by Toby but really if you think about that doesn't make sense. Sans is not omniscient and hes not even experiencing the resets first hand like Frisk and Flowey are so its unclear how solid his findings or methods are. I'm not saying that hes wrong but we have vastly more direct hand proof that hes not correct and even more we have no real reason to believe that Sans knows what hes talking about. All his shit is so vague that he could be a complete expert on the subject with a PHD on resetology or talking out of his ass to scare Frisk into resetting.

>>187353653
I'm trying to establish a new habit of brainstorming fic ideas for a solid 20 minutes every night as I settle down for bed. I haven't written anything substantial yet, but it's helping to loosen me up and get my creative juices flowing again.

If a hypothetical sequel game let you "battle" with a cast of 4 teammates, which 4 characters do you want on your team?

>>187354874
Asgore, Undyne, Papyrus and Frisk

We got a spell sword(trident), a dragoon, a paladin and a bard with 100% diplomacy

>>187354874
Papyrus, Gaster, Undyne, Sans

>>187354874
as much as i would like sans on a team, he would probably just sleep and make puns most of the time in battle.

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I return to the living!

>>187355079
>Dead weight for 99% of the game.
>Have to tolerate him for whole game to keep him on the team.
>Is your most ultimate teammate in the final boss fight.

>>187355079
>>187355176
Sans would be the goof off class from Dragon Warrior 3

You know its true, accept it in your heart

>>187355120
>not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS6BX-gcJqw
baka

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>>187354517
I'm not even going to bother with the first section since you're confirmed this belief to nobody but yourself.

>so its unclear how solid his findings or methods are
I disagree. He's right because this is the first and only time we hear him talking about timelines and such. So he has to be right about everything or else the entire speech he gives during his fight is pointless. This is Sans telling you how the universe you've been inhabiting (and are now hellbent on destroying) operates. This is something Flowey/Asriel doesn't know. It's new information exclusive to the genocide path. It has to true.

so yes
bad time bone daddy sans is more of an expert on time travel than Flowey, at least as far as the universal effects of time travel go. Flowey is just a kid (literally) playing with a power he barely understands.

>>187355079
I guess it would depend on game difficulty.
If it's an easy game, you can afford to use characters you like but aren't very good.
If it's a difficult game, then it would be better to use characters you may not necessarily like, but are useful.

>>187355225
I used to do that, but I like to mix it up now and again.

Plus, song reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUDDN0LA2M

>>187354874
Undyne, Papyrus, Gerson, and I'm cheating and leaving the fourth spot open as the 'guest' slot so the other characters can show up for specific quests.

>>187355246
I'll give you an example. Until you beat the true pacifist route, you assume that the story told to you by the citizens of New Home about Asriel and Chara is 100% accurate and true. It is only after speaking directly to Asriel that you learn that Chara was the one who carried their body to the surface and wanted to wipe out the humans. In this case until you play genocide everything you learn about saving and resetting from Flowey is true. But then Sans comes along and adds new information that succeeds what Flowey says. It's one of the key things you learn while playing genocide, the other being the true nature of Chara.

>>187354874
Toriel, Asgore Flowey and Sans.

I want everything to be awkward and everyone to suffer as much as possible.

>>187355246
>since you're confirmed this belief to nobody but yourself.
Are you seriously still trying to say that you're headcanons should be more valued than the creator of the game? Because you're crazy if you expect that to be respected and not mocked for the bullshit that it is. I gave examples of the same concept being applied to multiple examples of video games and other pieces of fiction while explaining how they relate to Undertale. All i've seen you do is try and deny that a canon creation made by the creator of the game that directly continues the story of the game is non-canon because you're offended it was framed as a joke.

Sans stuff now

So what you're saying is that Sans is right because hes right and otherwise he would be wrong but he can't be since hes right so he has to be right?

Circular logic desu!

Plus you're wrong about
>or else the entire speech he gives during his fight is pointless.
The whole point to Sans fight is that hes trying to get you to reset. He could be completely talking out of his ass because his actual number 1 goal is to get you to start over and telling you that something awful will happen and end everything forever if you don't could easily just be another example of that. Bullshit that hes saying in order to get you to reset, hell the line about the other sans is only mentioned directly after he just LIED TO YOU and dunked your ass.


We already know hes wrong about the universe ending anyways because you can post genocide so its clearly not the actual end of a timeline since Frisk & Chara are still around. I'm not saying Sans is wrong or right but you could easily frame it as just him bullshiting you and its just as valid because Toby never gave us reason to trust Sans word over Floweys because we know jack about him. Sans lies to us and tricks us at multiple points during the game and theres not any reason to believe hes just not doing the same thing this time but at a much larger stake

>>187356303
>I gave examples of the same concept being applied to multiple examples of video games and other pieces of fiction while explaining how they relate to Undertale
And did so badly. There's a reason nobody else has chimed in. They all think your crazy.

>All i've seen you do is try and deny that a canon creation made by the creator of the game that directly continues the story of the game
In only one of the routes. That's where it's canon. Nowhere else does it apply.

>He could be completely talking out of his ass because his actual number 1 goal is to get you to start over and telling you that something awful will happen and end everything forever if you don't could easily just be another example of that. Bullshit that hes saying in order to get you to reset
Come on anon, even you don't believe that. In fact I'd argue that this is the one instance in the game where he's speaking the absolute truth.

>>187356303
Not who you're replying to, but if Sans is lying about his knowledge of timelines, why would he wait until the Genocide route to attack you? He's only motivated to fight when he believes the entire universe is about to be erased. If you take that motivation away, nothing he does in the game makes any sense.

Unless you think Sans is a huge asshole, I guess?

>>187356867
That's part of why I don't think Chara is resetting time as much as recreating the entire world because they're essentially god at that point.

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Coming 2018

>muh out of game anniversary shitpost confirms true pacifist is canon
>but sans who is actually in the game is lying on the genocide route
Makes perfect sense

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>>187356793
>And did so badly. There's a reason nobody else has chimed in. They all think your crazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

try again
>In only one of the routes. That's where it's canon. Nowhere else does it apply.
Its the only route that has content that exists outside of the game so of course its more valid than genocide

Also I already got all you guys to admit that genocide isn't more canon than TP and that was my actual goal anyways

>>187356867
>Unless you think Sans is a huge asshole, I guess?
I mean he kind of is. Anyways that's just a silly idea I was throwing out there to use as an excuse and pretty much just me bitching about how vague Sans shit is. You make a really good point about him being motivated vs the other routes so yeah there's proof that he believes what hes saying and isn't bullshitting you. Hes still wrong about the timeline ending though since Frisk and Chara still exist and that would be impossible if a timeline straight up ended. That's not how timelines work.
>>187357084
Now this is actually possible and I respect it. Timelines all going to null makes no fucking sense since there are actions post genocide. I conced this one to you

>>187357247
Two different things being argued with no direct relation. Don't be dumb and bitter

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>>187357374
>Also I already got all you guys to admit that genocide isn't more canon than TP and that was my actual goal anyways
Newsflash: nobody ever said that. Everyone kinda already agrees that all endings are equally valid.

So all of this was completely pointless?

Pacifist = Genocide > Neutral

It's always been like this. Seriously, try and find one person who stopped playing after getting the neutral ending.

>>187357084
If you want to depart from the in-game explanation, the solution is (as usual) in the meta level.

Chara doesn't destroy the world, she creates "System_Information_49X".

In the programming of the game, everything is literally still there, but that file blocks you from seeing and interacting with it.

Following that (admittedly silly) train of thought, selling her your soul replaces "49X" with "49Y" (I forget the numbers), which functions as a program backdoor for the soulless pacifist ending.

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>>187357374
>Also I already got all you guys to admit that genocide isn't more canon than TP and that was my actual goal anyways
You misunderstood what I was saying. I never said that genocide was the canon ending, just that it was the only "perfect" ending. You can't get much more complete than killing everyone and destroying the world.

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>>187357525
>Newsflash: nobody ever said that.
You must not have been here the last few threads.

Beside I have yet to see you have any counter to the TP being more canon than genocide because of the Q&A thing other than you don't like the Q&A because it was framed around a joke. You're starting to get mad and make really obvious mistakes and trying to take potshots at me over dumb unrelated stuff. I'm stuck in the middle of a hurricane with nothing better to do so I could go all night if you want.

>>187357686
The Q&A changed all that because it gave valid new content that is a direct continuation of the game. Before it you were correct but now Pacifist is the only one that can be actually considered canon.

>>187357885
The party line has been that it was the most valid ending for at least a few threads now so lets not try to retroactively change history. Its okay to admit that you were wrong, anon. Theres'' no fault in changing your hypothesis once its been proven incorrect.

>>187358138
>Beside I have yet to see you have any counter to the TP being more canon than genocide because of the Q&A thing
Because it's really, really dumb. It's hard to refute something when you're so obstinately committed to it that you ignore every other possibility. I'll stand by what I said: the Q&A is canon - for true pacifist. That's it.

We can end the conversation right now and you can go back to being drowned on dry land.

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>>187354874
Undyne, Papyrus, Asgore, and Mettaton

also
why the FUCK are you people still replying to that one guy? didn't i tell you he isn't worth your time?

>>187357084
This travels into headcanon territory, but I saw it as Chara permanently altering the universe in such a way that whatever machinery Sans was using to track timelines couldn't account for it. It's like a point of no return. History is rewritten. The timeline isn't outright destroyed, but the changes Chara makes guarantee that certain outcomes will never happen again.

>>187358524
Yeah, something like that. Maybe creating a pocket universe or whatever. It gets really messy the second you give Chara your soul.

>>187358440
I was tempted to say Mettaton but only in his box form because his defenses would make him an unstoppable tank.

>>187356248
>Asgore dealing with Toriel and Sans constantly punfucking each other
>Flowey being in close proximity to his parents for extended periods of time
>and Smiley Trashbag
>Sans being separated from Papyrus
You're a dick, anon.

>>187354874
Set it a decade or two in the future and have a party of Frisk, Monster Kid (Trained by Papyrus), old veteran Undyne, and then Sans, who's OP but has a bunch of weird mechanics based on his laziness.

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>>187358440
Who do you mean? The dadfag (that's me!) or the two charafags i'm talking to? Because either way I think this is going really well. All of us are talking about the game and no ones chimped out and started posting cuck shit all over the place or whatever the meme shit post of choice is tonight so its a win win so far.

I'm having fun and I hope they are as well since this is a really interesting thing to talk about. If its ticking people off they can just filter us.

>>187358401
>I'll stand by what I said: the Q&A is canon - for true pacifist.
The fact that none of the other endings has canon post game content while this one does makes a very strong argument to it being the one that should be considered canon above the others. Will you at least agree to this? Regardless of what you think about the actual Q&A and you can't deny that my point makes complete sense.

>>187359171
>Will you at least agree to this?
Not unless Toby specifically says that's why he chose it for the Q&A and not just because it had the highest joke potential.

>>187359171
>The fact that none of the other endings has canon post game content
Ahem... Soulless Pacifist.

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>>187359171
>tfw a dadfag and charafags are the only people left to still discuss the game
Dog help us

>>187359258
Anon please, you're just being stubborn at this point. Its literally the only ending that got expanded on by the actual creator. I think we're unfortunately done here because you can't seem to get over the fact that just because its also a joke doesn't mean it also wasn't canon. Here's a small tidbit to you about something that might freak you out to know. A lot of shit in Undertale is both canon and also a joke. Its a comedy game and you guys really need to get over being butthurt over the Q&A at this point. Its just dumb

>>187359327
Can't exist in the Q&A. I was referring to official out of game content that continues the story not just the epilogue.

>>187358637
And that's why you should never share your soul with strange undead children with a penchant for murder.

>>187358642
>you want him to tank in his metal box
>occasionally bursts out with little defense and dances because "i cant hide these leeeeeeegs"

>>187359641
>I was referring to official out of game content that continues the story not just the epilogue.
Oh, so you were cherrypicking. Why didn't you say so?

>>187359641
You still don't get it. It is canon. For the true pacifist ending. Because it takes place after the true pacifist ending. It has no effect on either the neutral or genocide endings and you have no proof that it does.

In the case of the Hobbit, it's a prequel to Lord of the Rings. It's its own self-contained story but its canon that afterwards the events of LotR start up. This is different. This is an epilogue to a specific ending that may or may not have happened in your game.

>>187359729
That's not what cherry picking is. The argument i'm using is that all the endings happen in the actual game but the canon out of game content indicates that the only ending that is considered true by the creator of the game is the TP one since its the one that Toby is using to expand the universe from
TP is more canon than the others because its the only one that exists outside of its self contained video game and is being expand on
>>187359815
and TP has more proof of being the final canon ending to the actual game than genocide because its the only one with content that continues past the game itself. What you're saying is the same as saying that the bad end in Half Life 1 is just as canon as the ending that is actually used for more content. Its dumb as hell

So what happens when Toby releases the 2nd anniversary Q&A that's 10 questions about what Chara's favorite food is?

But honestly all of this is pretty fucking sad and Undertale deserves better.

>>187360040
>and TP has more proof of being the final canon ending to the actual game than genocide because its the only one with content that continues past the game itself
According to your bullshit rules it does.
>that is actually used for more content
Yeah, two whole games. And a third that will never exist. The Q&A isn't even close in terms of prominence. Also time-travel and multiple timelines weren't canon in that game series. They are here. You still haven't found a way to worm out of that.

>>187360071
it would be weird for Asgore and Toriel to talk about their dead kid desu

Obviously if Toby makes content set after genocide than everything I said will be bullshit because he has the final say on whats canon

>>187360040
>the only ending that is considered true by the creator
>considered true
>by the creator
Death of the Author.

>>187359683
That could be a good way to balance him out. He's got massive defensive stats, but he wastes a turn at predictable intervals to stretch out and pose.

Kinda like the Truant ability in Pokemon, but more fabulous.

>>187360221
I meant Chara being asked the question 10 times and responding with the same one word answer: chocolate. It was a joke. An attempt at humor.

But frankly at this point I don't give a shit what he says. The only thing he could do that'd make me care is finish the damn game.

>>187360232
Already tried that. But honestly if you asked Toby which of Undertale's endings are canon he'd probably just shrug his shoulders and post a meme.

>>187360193
>>187360232
>if i dont like it, its not cannon!
>i dont care what the creator says! Death of the Author.

>>187360193
>According to your bullshit rules it does.
its the agreed upon rule of fiction in general that the creator can expand on a story or video game if he wants. You aren't going to seriously agure that Silent Hill 3 should just be written off as non-canon because it contracts two of the endings are you?
>>187360232
Toby has final say on it and you can't just invoke death of the author for no reason. Its the same as if you said that the Hobbit was the last book set in the LOTR universe because it has an ending. No one is going to take you seriously and you would be considered a joke.

Also fyi none of that is what death of the author actually means. It can be used to ignore what an authors intent was on the work in question but its not used to ignore future work they created that is set in the same universe.

>>187360640
>you can't just invoke death of the author for no reason.
I'm invoking it because Toby's "Say" was the game.

Even in the bullshit you're citing, he never says "Oh btw, this is the canon ending", so shut up with your autistic nonsense.

>>187360620
I mean I wasn't trying to be that rude about it but pretty muchwhat it boils down to.

is undyne a finger

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>>187360620
Honestly, I don't. I'd totally be willing to accept your nonsensical argument if I thought it'd get me more Undertale content. But all of this is just a great big exercise in futility. We're wasting our time. TP can be the canon end if you want it to be. But that doesn't change the fact that the game is over and the story will never be expanded upon again. That's why you cling to something as flimsy as a one-time tumblr account with 12 posts in its archive.

>>187360778
Anon, its a piece of fiction that is set after the end of the game and was created by the original creator with the intent to expand on concepts he introduced in the original piece of fiction. You literally can't get more canon if you tried.

>>187360863
I have still yet to see an actual argument about why the Q&A shouldn't count other than you guys not liking it for various reasons.

>>187360640
>it contracts two of the endings are you?
From my point of view the Dog ending is canon. But that's just it, isn't it? Silent Hill 3 is a proper sequel. Call me when Undertale 2 is announced and I might give a shit.

>Its the same as if you said that the Hobbit was the last book set in the LOTR universe because it has an ending
Do you ever get tired of pulling that strawman?

>future work
lmao

>>187360373
could have the legs/box combo to find a happy medium, different modes. like mettaton EX mode for ultimate glass cannon (cant even take a non hp reducing attack).

>ANNOYING DOG used BARK at METTATON EX
>METTATON EX fall apart at the vibration of the BARK

>>187360964
>I have still yet to see an actual argument about why the Q&A shouldn't count
It counts for true pacifist. Now be quiet.

>You literally can't get more canon if you tried.
This is the kind of desperation you'd only see in a fandom so starved for content they'll start including glorified shitposts.

>>187360964
So I assume you've asking him if your implications are grounded, then?
What did he say?

I'm totally holding my breath for an answer that isn't a dodge.

>>187360986
The future work in question was the Q&A. Look i'm just going to quote what I said above you
>its a piece of fiction that is set after the end of the game and was created by the original creator with the intent to expand on concepts he introduced in the original piece of fiction.

You're just mad that it wasn't in the form of something you wanted but you can't just use that as an excuse why it shouldn't count. Its childish and just you throwing a tantrum because Toby is a hack.

>>187361095
>I have still yet to see an actual argument about why the Q&A shouldn't count other than you guys not liking it for various reasons.
Still waiting

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>>187360863
thats the spirit!

>>187361104
>a dodge
Literally and figuratively. Like, I'd halfway expect him to just post a Doge meme.

>>187361095
Setting aside this idiot, what the fuck is Fox working on now, anyway?

>>187361129
You're starting to sound like a broken record, so I think I'm going to start ignoring you now. Feel free to take this as a concession or whatever.

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I'm just going to accept that as you guys are giving up and that one anon is throwing a tantrum because he can't into any more actual arguments that aren't just insults or being butthurt about the Q&A

I'm up anytime you want to answer why the Q&A shouldn't be the thing we use to determine what ending is actually canon but until then I think I made my point.


Post cute now

>>187361226
>what the fuck is Fox working on now, anyway?
A mansion-sized doghouse?

I don't understand why people are only allowed to enjoy explicitly canon things or why fans should stop loving and creating content for a game because it won't get a sequel.

>>187361425
Oh, I'm super butthurt about the Q&A. Don't get that wrong. It's the reason I abandoned this place in the first place. I'm bracing myself for renewed disappointment when the second anniversary comes around.

But this argument has stopped being any fun and has just become tedious, so I'm glad it's ending.

>>187361464
No one ever said people couldn't enjoy non-canon stuff. Just that there is a clear ending that is more canon than the others.

>>187361005
>one of his legs is blown off
>Mettaton is so pissed, he picks it up and starts beating enemies with it

>>187361427
Using undertale money for wallpaper.

>>187361464
It's usually because the quality of that content is inferior to the official product. But if Toby ever starts canonizing fanfiction I think someone's going to kill him.

>>187354874
Papyrus, Frisk, Parsnik, Heats Flamesman.
Okay not Heats Flamesman.
Papyrus, Frisk, Parsnik, Undyne.

Papyrus is good at controlling the field between Blue Magic and his Attack-spam precision, plus he has Cyan Magic and possibly Gaster Blasters.
Frisk is a must for their Determination and ability to tank Attacks like a champ.
Parsnik is a good Attack-spammer and comes with Green Magic, which will help save on wasting Items. White Mages are perfect like that.
As for Undyne... she beat my ass like it was a fucking drum. Her second version of her spinning circle of spears is a bitch to dodge. She'll be perfect for a party.


I thought about Sans but he's a lazy fuck who'd be more of a waste in my Party than a Bard/Dancer. Toriel didn't use Green Magic in her fight and Asgore is more of the same and I was able to dodge his Trident way too easily. Then there's Mettaton who is a shitty bomber, man, and he is more Glam than Substance.

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>>187361226
rolling in that sweet sweet undertale merch dosh? undertale ost reremix?undertale anime? hiveswap music? pffft haha ha ha yeah right, that last one, who am i kidding.

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>>187361549
Aside from the actual argument I always found it funny that people got upset over the Q&A. It was literally all I wanted him to do and it was fucking perfect and full of really cute and good stuff that expanded on all the characters I liked in a way that felt like a natural progression of the ending.

In my opinion it was the best thing he could have done short of just releasing a new game or a giant update that changed everything via hard mode. I think peoples exceptions were just too high and it led to too many of you guys being bitter about Undertale as a whole and that's a real shame imo.

>>187361564
It's the message I'm getting from posts like these:
>>187360863
>>187361549

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>>187361818
Oh I have nothing to do with those posts so I don't know what they feel. I love non-canon content and I follow a bunch of fanfics in other fandoms.

One of my favorite HP fanfics is a completely non-canon retelling of the series with one little detailed changed. Its great

>>187361803
I would have unironically preferred nothing.

>I think peoples exceptions were just too high and it led to too many of you guys being bitter about Undertale as a whole and that's a real shame imo
And yours are too low. Wanna argue about it for a couple of hours?

>>187361630
the game could just be called OverTale, since its all above ground. its just a goofy ass even more notearthbound rpg with the stats straight up LYING to you even more than the first game! want that high ATK guy? too bad he cant hit worth for shit! high speed for first attacks? he sleeps most of the time! wanna grind? it doesn't do jack shit for your stats! the numbers are lies! its a rpg for people who hate rpgs!

>>187361803
>It was literally all I wanted him to do and it was fucking perfect and full of really cute and good stuff that expanded on all the characters I liked in a way that felt like a natural progression of the ending.
No wonder you take offense towards anyone who dismisses it.

>>187362008
>And yours are too low.
probably
Literally the only thing I wanted going in was knowing that my favorite was doing good post TP since it was something that made me depressed to think about. I got that so in my eyes the Q&A was perfect. I understand that for a Charafag the whole thing must have felt like complete bullshit because there was zero new content about them. But hey the new ARG thing might have some connection to Chara what with the lines about a demon
>>187362127
and you were just mad that it wasn't what you wanted. I'm really sorry you feel that way but your personal feelings don't change that it was created just like mine didn't change it at all

>>187361803
>I think peoples exceptions were just too high and it led to too many of you guys being bitter about Undertale as a whole and that's a real shame imo.
To be fair that's partially Toby's fault. Some of the tweets leading up to it got people's hopes up. Its very nature is shrouded in darkness.

>>187362228
That tweet was made months beforehand and yeah its pretty fucking bullshit. I don't think its really fair to shit over the Q&A for what it wasn't when you could just enjoy it for what it is. I understand why people were mad about it, I just don't agree.

>>187361803
I loved the Q&A and it exceeded my expectations quite a bit. I was genuinely expecting a short note from Toby thanking the fans and nothing else.

Character interactions were my favorite thing about Undertale, to see all the major characters get a bit more dialogue was nice.

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>>187362221
>But hey the new ARG thing might have some connection to Chara what with the lines about a demon
Nigga I'm not even gonna get my hopes up this time. So don't even try.

>>187362336
Yeah same it was really great and I even enjoyed the interactions between the characters I didn't really care about.

>>187362356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8tWv0uNhLY

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Goat

Children

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>>187362221
>I understand that for a Charafag the whole thing must have felt like complete bullshit because there was zero new content about them
It's funny that's it's been 2 whole years and you all still think I'm really a Charafag. I like Chara, but I'm not a Charafag. I simply wanted what Chara was offering me: a way out.

>>187362538
little baby fricks

>>187362221
>But hey the new ARG thing
ARG?

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>>187362540
____fag to me just means character you like the most or post the most desu. I don't really mean anything negative when I use it.

Anyways I just meant that I understand the disappointment and I'm extremely skeptical about Toby ever doing anything meaningful again but I guess i'm lucky in that my exceptions were meet and it sucks that Tobys stuff has made a bunch of once loyal fans bitter and disillusioned.

>>187362724
ARG is a bit much but the last update added a random line of code saying "He is" and its right above the text for Chara's stuff. The last updated was also entitled somenumber.A which implies there might be more

What i'm saying is that the Toby Fox Ruse Cruise has once again set off

>>187354874
Frisk, Papyrus, Undyne and... MK or Napstablook maybe?

Flowey would be support who mostly spends his time berating everyone and providing commentary

>>187362861
>ARG is a bit much but the last update added a random line of code saying "He is" and its right above the text for Chara's stuff. The last updated was also entitled somenumber.A which implies there might be more
Can I see a screenshot or something?

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>>187362917
http://napstamuse.tumblr.com/post/164580994802/undertale-received-another-small-update-this-time

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>>187362861
>and it sucks that Tobys stuff has made a bunch of once loyal fans bitter and disillusioned.
It turned us into Floweys

But while Chara might be the character I like the most, I don't agree with them. Or at least, I wouldn't had I gotten my way from the start.

>>187362221
ARG?
What ARG?
I know what an ARG is but what ARG are you talking about?
>>187362724
Alternate Reality Game. Think "Black Watchmen".

>>187362087
>Papyrus is advertised as a fast, hard hitter
>he's literally incapable of killing anyone and occasionally heals the enemy

>Undyne can enter something similar to berserker mode that increases her attack but drains her HP
>unless the enemy is pinned with magic, all of her attacks miss

>Flowey can join your party, but his playstyle is entirely based around status effects (taunt, scare, poison, bind, that sort of thing)
>30% chance he attacks your party instead of the enemy, he doesn't seem to listen to your input half the time

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>>187362983
I don't recognize this dialogue. I'm the biggest Charafag here and I don't recognize this dialogue. What the fuck? Is it because it's dialogue that was previously bugged?

>>187363124
I shouldn't have used the words ARG because that's not really what it is. I'm really tied, sorry.
anyways this is what i'm talking about >>187362983

I'm HOPING it will become an ARG but its not really one yet

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gotes are for kissus

>>187363208
Random bits of text in the code that were found by data miners and most likely put in there by Toby for people to speculate over. Many people assume it was related to Chara because of the demon stuff but who really knows.

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>>187363367
It's definitely related to Chara. There's the telltale introduction of "Greetings" but I've never seen this dialogue in the game. And then the "HE IS" shit is also related to these strings, which once again, I've never seen in the game.

Oh, this is just fucking fantastic. I'm just about ready to leave this place again and then I find out about this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

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>>187363538
Yeah i'm kinda interested in it as well but i'm trying to not get my hopes up encase it just amounts to Toby fucking with us for the lols. Hope for the best but expect nothing.

Also the demon line has been in there for ages and only the HE IS is new. Chara confirmed boy / Darksid?

>>187363538
Please don't throw a massive fit when it turns out to be nothing and/or a joke.

>>187363702
I won't. I promise. I have no expectations this time. I'm simply a bystander.

>>187363673
After a little more digging some people have speculated it's related to Gaster, which is plausible, because I doubt Toby would confirm Chara's sex one way or another.

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>>187362983
>>187363208
>>187363538
>>187363673
Chara referring to himself as a demon at the end of the Genocide route was pretty specific wording. I wonder if this (if it's an actual thing) will end up elaborating on the nature of 'demons' in the world of Undertale.

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Brotherly antics

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>>187362221
as a charafag, i dont really care. in TP they were SAVEd, in Geno i get a munchkin tupla to play vidya with (im joking btw, DONT fuck with those). all the backstory i could ever want is in the game. and if chara is anything like any other character in the game, is also a huge weeb, probably liked being strong in rpgs, but a broken person like anybody else in the game. but in the end its just a game to be played, and i enjoyed all the versions of chara that has been interpreted, even if i dont agree with some. being part of a crazy fandom can be a wild ride, but i would do it all again, and have done so with others. even with all the echo chambers and ear plugging, there is still genuine creativity in the community and interesting views on the same scenarios that i still find myself looking into. all in all, it can be considered a waste of time, but its all kinda nice, you know? we all have our fun, well after the game has been turned off.

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>>187363817
Honestly and this is my most insane crazy hope that i'm very hesitant about embracing because I don't want to be burned BUTt i'm hoping its related to the Gaster game he teased over a year ago now with the whole " Its very nature is shrouded in darkness." thing

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>>187363918
The phrase "greetings" is similarly character specific. But it's just two words, so I'm going to keep my expectations where they belong: in the garbage can.

But I will say 1 thing: Undertale took 2 years to create, and it's been 2 years since its release. The time would be right.

>>187364029
Marketing another game inside the code of the first game is some next-level shit.

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>>187362652

>>187364198
Half Life did similar shit in both 1 and 2 via voice files. If you mess around with the random alien noises you hear during the Xen area they pretty much completely layout everything that happens in HL 2 and expands the universe while hinting about a ton of shit. 2 has a bunch of hidden lore that happens if you reverse the voices of a bunch of enemies and a bunch of random shit all over the place that hinted at the future of the series and at the lore


of course we all know how that ended...

>>187364093
Toby's been so busy with merchandise and everything required to get the Japanese localization published that I strongly doubt he's had the time to work on a new game. Unless he's hired people to work for him and we're not aware of it. Would we be aware of it?

A new battle or a short DLC that adds an hour of gameplay would be amazing, but that's also fairly unrealistic.

>>187364358
>of course we all know how that ended
If Toby pulls a Gaben I hope someone crushes him with a STEAMroller

>>187364576
8 years from now Toby is going to leak a script on pastebin about how Undertale 2 would have gone if he hadn't been too lazy

>>187364367
>>187364093

2 years is a long time to be doing nothing else. i dont really expect anything, but with a console release im sure there could have been more added. great now im waiting for nothing too. probably some script that not being used anyway.

>>187364694
i would expect this much

Your fav is now dating Heavy Weapons Guy, what happens?

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Oh dear, I'm doing it again. So, I've dug even deeper and found some interesting possible connections between Chara and Gaster, two characters who've seemingly been wiped from existence. Now, people have already theorized that Gaster's final experiment involved him peering into a genocide timeline and falling in, resulting in him being erased from existence with bits and pieces of him scattered across time and space. The second connection is that when you "name the fallen human" any of the established characters' names, you get a funny little dialogue quip from said character. Except Gaster. And while it was weird before, now you can't even enter the final letter in his name without the game soft-rebooting on you.

Additionally, Gaster's stats in the game are all 6s. As you know, the number of the beast i.e. a demonic number is 666. Chara refers to themselves as a demon.

Now why would Chara and Gaster be connected like this? The answer could be staring back at you right now.

Beware the man who speaks in hands.

>>187363204
>Papyrus fucks up
Sounds like when RPGs have White Magic heal an undead instead of kill it. Always confuses me, especially in a series that normally has "heal, the pain train" going on.
>Undyne berserker boosts ATK drains HP
So... Dark Knight?
>Flowey... status effects
... oh god Flowey the Bard/Dancer. NO.
>>187363947
As a younger sib, I can appreciate an older sib fucking with someone. Paps just has to mess Sans back is all. Yelling will never solve anything and it just eggs him on.

>>187364858
But that's just a theory.

>>187364982
Damn fucking straight it is. Nothing more than pure conjecture. An attempt to tie together as many loose ends as possible.

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>>187364842
he compares them to the sneaky stab tactics of spy, with the unrelenting glee of the pyro. they bond over mutual bloodlust. in the end they both team up and become partners and best mercenaries forever. The End.

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>>187364858
Okay, so let's assume that Chara is a literal demon and that's their soul in the True Lab machine. Is Chara using it as a Phylactery? Is that how they've managed to stay "alive" this entire time is that they've become a literal fucking lich? Because that is some demoniacal bullshit if true.

>>187364858
The game breaks on you because a character named "GASTER" does not exist. Trying to use that name causes the game to remove YOU, the PLAYER, from the game. Because "GASTER" is now always removed from the game.
The 6s are an obvious synthetic number. We see this with Flowey when he spams 9s everywhere. Any character that's "immortal" or supposed to be "unkillable" in a situation is given a lot of 9s in DEF or HP, just as ones that you outright murder while their defense is down get negative 9s. Having them as 6s show that they are not intentionally placed as maximum.
The fun thing is that his GOLD and EXP drops are negative 6666. Which means that if you somehow manage to kill an unkillable thing, he gets the last laugh and siphons away your ill-gotten gains. Because why else would you kill him? For the challenge, for the bragging rights, for the loot.

Besides, the Number of the Beast is not necessarily Gaster as Satan. In Human Myths, more than just Christian lore, you have many different cultures describing monsters, demons, spirits, or wicked gods sealed in some manner. Underground, in another world, wrapped in chains, trapped under a distant mountain, past a giant wall... they are chained, tormented, or just condemned to a miserable existence within their sealed state.

>>187365538
>Any character that's "immortal" or supposed to be "unkillable" in a situation is given a lot of 9s in DEF or HP
LV20 with the Real Knife and The Locket gives you fake 99 ATK and DEF and 99 HP. But I think the 6s are meant to be extra spoopy instead of just symbolic for the maximum.

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>>187363947
Yes.

>>187364918
I'm not very well versed in RPG terminology, would the Dark Knight fit Undyne the Undying? The reference page I'm looking at mentions dark arts a little too much for it to be a perfect match.

Ooh also
>the Annoying Dog is a secret party member that's incredibly difficult to unlock
>during your first battle with him active in your party, he steals all of your items and leaves
>this is permanent, he never comes back

>>187365743
Also, because 6s are upside down 9s.

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Reminder that Asgore is very clearly based off Satan and that would make Asriel the anti christ so that's another connection to the 666 stuff

What i'm saying is that Kingdings is canon and Asriel was their love child that Gaster somehow inserted into Toriel to make her thing Asgore had knocked her up instead of Asgore knocking up Gaster

>>187365939
That's the most disgusting thing I've ever read. Congratulations.

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>>187366035
I got more proof

That's why Asriel uses a Gaster Blaster and why Toriel is friends with Sans, because he reminds her of Asriel and its why Papyrus wants the approval of the king so much and to join the royal guard like his adopted half sister Undyne and why they get along so well and why Asgore hangs out with Papyrus post TP and mades hedge art based off him

IT ALL MAKES SENSE

>>187364842
They make the most swole action packed fish-human hybrid mercenaries who ever lived.

>>187366147
toby pls

>>187364842
Medic is PISSED

>>187364842
>Asgore
Hot bara porn occurs

>>187366374
>bara porn
>hot
Maybe if you're gay or something

>>187365743
And if it was 7s, you'd have people claiming he was some sort of heavenly angel while 4 is death.
>>187365860
Dark Knight can cast stronger attacks from Hit Points.
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Annoying Dog = Yuffie, but worse. Fucking Guest Party Members...
>>187365939 >>187366035 >>187366235
Troll is obvious, Anons. Don't feed.

>>187366147
Is Toriel Papyrus and Sans' mother?

>>187366467
>while 4 is death
If you're Japanese, maybe.

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>>187366435
haha yeah that would be crazy... Good thing we don't have any gays here..
>>187366467
>troll
anon, please. I'm clearly just joking.

>>187366494
No of course not river person is.

Oh fuck that also makes Asriel, Papryus' older / little brother which is why hes the only one that could entertain him for long!

>>187366554
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Death is a Horseman.
>>187366614
And setting off the bad fanon alarms. I've seen such shit be said dead seriously...

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>>187365860
Undyne is a dragoon, this isn't even up for debate desu.

>>187366725
I have as well but trust me when I say im just being silly

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>>187363208
just when i think im off of tobys wild ride, im getting back in again

>>187366916
I wounder if I should regret bringing all this up

>>187366952
nah, it shows that content is being added, like everyone wanted. so the console port isnt nothing after all... maybe.

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>>187366614
This is all so complicated.

>>187367237
I think he more meant if it causes shit posters to stay and keep throwing fits all over the place and yes you should

At least nobody's posting skeleton-goat hybrids