No One Else Made A Thread So Im Making Another Asgore One Edition
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Spoilers ahead, proceed at your own Frisk.
-The Game
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>https://undertale.com/
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-Booru
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-Shimejibin
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>>187338873
Friendly reminder that genocide is the only perfect ending.
I have too many pictures so i'm going to have to make two (2) posts. Sorry for the spam
>Toriel
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>Asriel
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>Flowey
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>Frisk
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>Chara
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>Sans
https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DIKj5GFVoAEpSA-.mp4
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>Papyrus
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>Gaster
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIIodf_U0AABDe-.jpg:orig
FRIENDLY REMINDER
THAT THE SHITTER IS NOT WORTH YOUR TIME AND SHOULD NOT BE REPLIED TO.
Instead of replying to him, post your fave doing something stupid! (We've had several threads go by not reaching the image limit, so this should be fine)
>>187339087
part 2
>Undyne
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIKxNA4UMAA6p6G.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DILJ2ulVoAAMtGH.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DILOdijU0AEHwrt.jpg:orig
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>vulcan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIK1vkRVYAAgYcU.jpg:orig
>Jack Frost
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DILRCzDW0AEJQSl.jpg:orig
>that hand monster you know the one
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIFqkctUAAADYra.jpg:orig
>Asriel + chara
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIKR-rGU0AIu5Lh.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIFkV2TU0AAVrUc.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFevZAnUQAE8EI5.jpg:orig
>humans
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIJpwiVUMAAW2c1.jpg:orig
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>fishlizard
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIKVTRIVYAEg5I7.jpg:orig
>Toriel + kids
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIKVKn7UwAArJEt.jpg:orig
>Mettatblook + shyren
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIFJToPVoAAx4Xl.jpg:orig
>Undyne + Papyrus + omega vines
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHMHj10UIAAWTg8.png:orig
>Chara is a little shit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGUnJdEVYAACb5m.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGUnJjNUwAA_XHZ.jpg:orig
>Frisk protecting the skeletons from the fandom
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DERxn_XUAAAP7Cq.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DERxn_TU0AAkMt_.jpg:orig
>>187339234
>>Jack Frost
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DILRCzDW0AEJQSl.jpg:orig
You're a good guy, Twitteranon.
ALRIGHT, one hot fresh writing request, coming right up!
http://archiveofourown.org/works/11916129
Enjoy! I promise there's no dead roaches in it
>>187339584
Fcukong hiro
>>187339087
>>187339234
>too many pictures.
That is the exact opposite of a problem.
Thanks Twitteranon.
>>187339087
I love you twitteranon
So this is still a thing, if you can believe it or not.
>>187339923
Whoops. Forgot the link.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1jGrrNork
>>187339923
>>187340172
What the fuck, even... Asriel is dead, and he got himself killed by refusing to defend himself...
>>187339615
This was a fun read.
>>187340390
Any time, man
>>187339584
Demi-friend with their team of Cu Chulainndyne, Voidsoujou, and Matador Papyrus against Mettatron when?
>>187339234
More good stuff is always appreciated, thanks!
>>187339615YOU LIE
>>187340352
Pretty sure it's Frisk angsting about leaving him as Flowey in a super melodramatic way.
alphys what
>>187340468Perhaps the roach was merely pining for the fjords.
>>187340468
MAHAHAHA
Yes I did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nru316NF2h0
me on the right
>>187340560
Alphys slim shady.
>>187340352
>>187340551
this is how asrielfags feel everyday. they have to try to change the games cannon or else they "failed" to try to save him.
>>187340830
Me under the bed.
>>187340560
alphys' butt!
>>187340690
>>187340698
NO!!! NO MORE!!!
>>187341156
I know.For I am one too
Also whoever was caring for Frisk before they came to the underground here was terrible at making clothes.
What if mumen rider fell in the underground?
>>187341531
Killed by Flowey first thing.
>>187341156
>tfw I saved my goat
feels good
>>187341658
Nah, he'd hold out long enough for Toriel to intervene.
Which begs the question: So Toriel has pretty much mothered all the children. How would she act if it was an adult? Would she still bar them from passing and demand they fight her
think this would make a good gaster mask if i paint it white and paint the eyes part of the old ones? thinking of carrying around a burlap sack of bones and one of those skeleton hand treat bag.
could upgrade my half assed sans mask with a cool mask with a glowy eye and a gaster blaster, but im too lazy.
>>187342017
Interesting. Go for it anon!
>>187341476
I really don't understand why so many people fuck up Frisk and Chara's shirts. The black rim at the top is obviously a dark collar for a long-sleeved polo.
>>187339221
This is the official theme of Charafags now. Good advice by the way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czLYl4fM8yk
>>187341207
moar
>>187341793
>How would she act if it was an adult?
She'd still ask for them to call her mommy.
>>187342017
Don't forget the mouth and to make one eyesocket 'bigger' (with paint).
When are we dying?
>>187340172
>November 2015
How the fuck is he/she still working on that?
>>187342425
She doesn't ask you to call her mother and gets sort of creeped out when you do and if you flirt with her afterwords she mocks your dumb ass in front of all your cool friends that fucking bitch how dare she next time i'll turn her into dust no one fucks with Frisk t. human and gets away with it
>>187341713
feels good man
>>187342571
They gave up and moved on?
>>187342412
There are only two pages so far anon!
http://somescrub.tumblr.com/tagged/alphys
>>187342558
I die a little every day
>>187342017
Am from the cosplay board and that sounds good to me, hope you'll post!
I'm doing memeskel this year
>>187342618
wrong goat
>>187342618
As edgy as this is, is it better to kill Flowey or leave him alive? Being a soulless flower probably sucks a lot. But so does being dead.
>>187342726
ah ok. Thank you either way
>>187339087
>All these cute Paps
Thank you so much, Twitteranon!
>>187342665
Nah, check the description and comments. Still working on it. Somehow. Last update was 4 months ago.
>>187342758
pls stay determined
>>187342832
Why not let him decide? He's capable of suicide.
>>187342581
I thought her reaction to your calling her "Mom" and then flirting with her was an awkward sort of humor. Like "oh how silly they're acting".
>>187342726
I wonder what anime that's supposed to be. Off the top of my head is just SAO (because .hack// and Log Horizon don't quite have that same "everyone outside of the game knows people inside the game are trapped" and Log Horizon is less "trapped in game" and more "trapped in parallel dimension that somehow budded from a game").
>>187342832
>But so does being dead.
Why do you say that. The only people who complain about dying are people who aren't dead.
>>187342832
The non edgelord option is to just leave him alive and if at some point he wants to off himself hes free to. Its not as if he can reset anymore so at worst he might kill a few people and then get shot to death or something by the human police. He knows he can't go crazy with souls anymore so theres no danger of him becoming a god or whatever
>>187342992
She literally makes fun of you at the end of TP and tells all your friends about it and calls you a weirdo
>>187342996
You're right. It could totally rock for all I know. I guess I'll tell you when I'm dead.
>>187342538
yeah that was the idea. figure even if no one knows who i am, i would just be a creepy skeleton man asking for peoples bones. figure id go for a more creepy costume since my sans one was so bad it was good. when someone asked about my sans outfit a couple of years ago, i said "well, i guess you could say im a...Lazy Bones"
>>187342832
An argument could be made for a mercy kill. But I ain't giving him the satisfaction at the end of a neutral run, and I love the Mercy scene. Beyond that, dunno.
>>187343065
Well, I didn't Flirt with her outside of the demo so...
>>187342969
>Flowey can kill himself
Are you havin' a giggle m8?
The only way he can die is to be killed by somebody with enough determination that he can't load his save.
The whole reason he found out about that power is because he DID kill himself and it didn't "stick".
>>187342969
>He's capable of suicide
All of this started because he clearly wasn't capable. Or willing.
The spider a cute! CUTE!!!
>>187343167
>But I ain't giving him the satisfaction at the end of a neutral run
Yeah, I know how you feel.
>>187343263
The spider is sexy
>>187343207
He survived because of a combination of having the most determination in the underground and last-moment doubts about the afterlife.
Post-TP he's not the one with the most determination (Frisk has more). Even if he did, he would have to not fully want to die in order to survive.
>>187343263
>>187343424
>>187343207
>>187343229
Its almost as if in all the endings where you can decide his fate his save ability has been overwritten so now he can't do that anymore!
As of TP he can't even become a god because he knows that it will fuck him up due to the guilt so hes pretty much harmless now. There's no real reason to kill him unless you want to be really edgy or something. If he feels that life has become unbearable he can always take matters into his own hands but until then let him do what he wants. Hes a conscience being and deserves that much.
There is literally no good reason to murder him during a TP run although I will say its justified during a neutral one
>>187343263
But can the Spider pray enough times to defeat Giygas!?
>>187339615
Awesome! Thanks so much for doing my request!
>>187343474
>There is literally no good reason to murder him during a TP run
I mean, you can't, even if you wanted to.
>>187343263
But why hasn't the spider achieved world peace?!
>>187343604
You are very welcome
Reminder that there's hope for all of us and that you're loved and important.
Stay determined, anons.
>>187343638
Yeah I know but i'm going off the idea that some people seem to be proposing that it would be a mercy killing even then. It was a big part of that one Charafags genocide is great speech about how its so great because you get to free Asriel from his pain or whatever bullshit they were trying to push.
If Asriel really wants to die he can do so whenever he wants now. Hes no longer trapped in that cycle of resetting and getting bored and resetting again and then getting bored again and etc etc etc
>>187343538
No, that'd be Frisk, Undyne, or one of the Amalgamates.
>>187343653
Because money does not flow in as greater quantities at a time in a peaceful world.
>>187343813
And if someone tries to get you to kill yourself or tries to gaslight you, kick them in the fucking balls?
>>187343883
>If Asriel really wants to die he can do so whenever he wants now
Can he? His uncertainty about the afterlife for a soulless being would probably keep him from shuffling off this mortal coil. Especially now that he knows that all decisions are final.
>>187344007
Yes, if he wants to off himself he can throw himself into a wood chipper. There is literally nothing stopping him except for his own desire to not die. Taking that choice away from him, especially since hes pretty harmless now, is not a mercy but you selfishly choosing his fate for him because you think that you know best about someone elses life.
you're basically saying I lack the ability to kill myself because i'm scared of going to hell. That's just a dumb thing to say because I still have the option too I just don't want to for various reasons
>>187344238
You're right. To do that would be selfish.But that doesn't change the fact that there are many people who would choose the option were it available.
>>187343461
I'm gonna hug that spider!
>>187343538
Sure! She could, but there is an easier way to defeat Giygas: asking nicely! The spider has enough cuteness to make it work!
>>187343653
Easy! That's because there are still people who refuse the cuteness! It is up to them to accept it and improve themselves!
>>187344238
I would kill him because he's still very powerful and there's absolutely no reason to think he won't become a psycho-killer again eventually.
>>187345387
>he's still very powerful
I don't think he could do much without the power to save and load or human souls.
>>187344580
Those people are idiots that completely missed the point of what Flowey was saying when you reboot the game after TP.
Undertale is over and you did it. You gave the monster race their freedom and saved Asgore, Toriel and Asriel from the self imposed cycles of hatred and misery they were stuck in. Yeah you didn't fix everything one hundred percent and make everything wonderful forever but you did the best you could and sometimes that's really all you can do. You gave the most people you could hope and happiness and you have to hope that everything works out for the best because your time with the game is over and you need to be able to let go and let them live their new lives as best as they can.
That's what genofags don't seem to understand. Undertale isn't about getting a perfect ending where everyone is happy and everything is over forever because that's not what life is about. Its about trying to do the best you can and to make a difference when and where you can and having the ability to be able to let go and admit to yourself that sometimes all you can do is try your best and sometimes all your best amounts to is picking up the broken pieces and going from there. That's a major flaw of the entire goat family including Chara and its what ultimately leads to everyone being so unhappy. Asgore is unwilling to break his promise, Toriel is unwilling to swallow her price, Asriel is unwilling to stop abusing his power and Chara was unwilling to let go of her hatred of humanity and that's what damned her to become a demon (or a ghost that follows Frisk around,whatever you believe it doesn't really matter the point is the same). After TP Asgore and Toriel have a chance to reconcile to a degree rather that be getting back together, becoming friends or just being able to tolerate each other in the same room for Frisk's sake and Flowey has the chance to find new ways to entertain himself that aren't self destructive and harmful to other. Its a good ending.
>>187345481
He's still got pretty nasty magic though, and could probably be a danger to monsters.
>>187345663
So could a monster like Toriel or Asgore or fuck anyone with a gun. The point is that Flowey has no reason to kill anymore and he can't become a god so hes stuck at his base powerlevel which is strong but not immortal. There's no real reason to kill him when hes not a danger
>>187345481
There's only two people who use unavoidable bullet patterns. Flowey and Sans. And you have to surrender to sans for him to use that.
Determination makes people immortal, but its killing intent that gives a monster attack power and defense. That's why Undyne and Sans are the only hard enemies in a Geno run.
>>187345628
>Toriel is unwilling to swallow her price
I meant pride
>>187345628
Or you can reject that ending and kill everyone. Both are equally valid options. The game only "punishes" you if you try and have your cake and eat it too.
>>187338873
Is there a Discord server for this General?
>>187345967
its valid but its clearly not the intended ending. See the fact that Toby set the Q&A a couple of months post TP and there isn't a single hint soulless ever happened. If Toby ever makes a sequel then you can bet his ass hes going to base it off normal TP because that's the only way the story can progress. The creators intentions are untimely the final say on the matter so in the end TP is canon and genocide is just a what if game mode
>>187345967
Bah. Chara's just an uppity little shit.
At the point when the game's become that meta, its like she's challenging you to find a way to delete your sins and regain control of the program.
>>187346223
>its valid but its clearly not the intended ending
Death of an Author. It's hard to say that any ending is more canon than another in a franchise with only one game. I don't think Toby would have anything to say in the matter, considering that he's all for player choice. Your end to the story of the Underground is yours and yours alone.
>>187346219
https://discord.gg/bFEVuuv
>>187346219
There are a couple. One is from the olden days with too many Asrielfags and other horrible things done, the other is more normal and has people sheltering from trolls in there. One of the people who you could consider a drawfag once in a blue moon tries to abduct drawfags into his personal discord.
>>187346223
>See the fact that Toby set the Q&A a couple of months post TP
Probably because a post genocide Q&A would be pretty fucking boring.
>>187346491
>the other is more normal
Well, I guess nazis are becoming more of a normal thing these days.
>>187346437
You can't just invoke death of the author when canon content has already been made showing that you're wrong. Toby made the Q&A and its canon so its the final say on the matter until the next one or until he does something new. What your doing would be the same as if someone read Lord of the Rings up until book 2 and then just declared that it was the canon ending and everything after it was death of the author. Its nonsensical and childish
>>187346595
Point still stands. It was choosen as the canon ending because it was the only interesting one that could have something worth continuing off of. That makes it the trur ending
>>187345628
finally someone that gets it. personally i was joking about geno to get their goat. but you pretty much summarized everything about undertale that people seem to miss or overlook in favor of what they believe SHOULD have happen/ed.
>>187346437
>Death of an Author
If you go down that path, then you may as well ignore canon altogether.
Technically, there's nothing wrong with that - everyone is free to their own interpretation - but don't force it on others.
>>187346742
>Toby made the Q&A and its canon
In a timeline where the human did true pacifist, sure.
>>187343263
No!
>>187346808
>ignore canon altogether
>All the "AUs" that exist
>especially the ones that are just Skeletons-specific "AUs" or themed costume "AUs".
>>187346749
>personally i was joking about geno to get their goat
>get their goat
>>187346991
I just said: those are just as valid. Everyone is free to have their own interpretation. Just don't force it on others if they disagree.
>>187346749
And I present a different outlook: the ending that you ultimately choose is canon for your copy of Undertale. Your specific timeline. If it's in the game, it's a valid option. That's how I see it. Neutral, Pacifist, Genocide, Soulless Pacifist. All are acceptable outcomes.
>>187346437
>the person who made the game Q&A didnt make it fit my headcannon, therefore my headcannon is true
>>187347253
>everyones headcannon is cannon
dont you even pull a hussie on me, you.. you..DOUBLE JERRY!
>>187347150
I'm not forcing anything. I'm just saying that the idea of "AUs" has been abused so much that the word has lost its meaning. Anything is an "AU", even when it has zero effort put into it beyond shit like "Sans is drunk all the time" or "Mettaton Legs for Everyone".
>>187347306
In a game with multiple endings and no sequel where one succeeds over the others, yeah, that's pretty much the case.
>>187346935
Anon, that makes it canon. No one is going to seriously agure that the LOTR universe ends after the Hobbit and everything else Tolken wrote is non-canon just because the Hobbit could have been the end of it and not expect to get laughed at. Toby decided to continue the universe after TP with the Q&A so that makes it canon
>>187347480
Sonichu is real, guys!
>>187347438
>DOUBLE JERRY!
>>187347438
Identifying an autistic shitter: Everything that happens in-game that contradicts their head-canon gets called "Head Canon".
>>187346969
I don't understand! Why are you doing this? It will get you nowhere! The only way forward is to love the spider!
cat
>>187347493
Anon, you're going to hate me for this, but I'm going to do it anyway. During the Sans fight, if you get dunked on and then attack, he criticizes you, saying that if you came back, then that means you must have never been friends. And then he says "don't tell that to the other Sans-es"
Multiverse theory is canon. I'm so sorry to break this to you. This isn't like LoTR where there's only one universe where events turned out a certain way. In Undertale, there are multiple simultaneous timelines.
>>187347825
I wanna pet the pussyin the pussy.
>>187347825
She's a very Underrated character along with her gator gal pal.
>>187347828
>In Undertale, there are multiple simultaneous timelines.
Flowey being able to remember other timelines that Frisk does stuff in and the fact that characters like Toriel and Asgore have vague memories of what occurred contradicts that. Its easy to just chalk it up to Sans being wrong since he doesn't personally experience the resets and is just going off second hand knowledge and his own beliefs that might be incorrect. After all hes wrong about genocide for sure being the final ending because you can reset it into soulless
>>187347825
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DABQnLRVwAAMONC.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE2ddCGUwAErYVa.png:orig
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>>187348023
Bratty a shit. Catty's a sweetheart.
>>187348334
nice
>>187348049
>Flowey being able to remember other timelines that Frisk does stuff in and the fact that characters like Toriel and Asgore have vague memories of what occurred contradicts that
Not really.
>Its easy to just chalk it up to Sans being wrong
I doubt Toby would include information like that just to have it later turn out to be wrong. As for soulless, he's not wrong: it is the end. It's just that things start up again at the other end and continue to play out.
I'm sorry True Pacifist isn't canon, but that was never the point. Toby included more than 1 ending for a reason.
I love this boy.
Okay thanks, bye.
>>187348345
rude af
bratty a cute
>>187348345
She'd suck a child's dick for a dirty Glamburger
>>187348643
See you later.
>>187348557
I should elaborate a bit on the first point. See, there are 3 types of resets. Reset, which is the same timeline being repeated. This is why characters recognize you after your first journey. Second are true resets. This is jumping into the start of a completely different timeline. Hence why nobody, not even Flowey, remembers. And finally, there's the genocide reset. I don't know what happens here. Chara could have recreated the world from the start again. It's definitely a whole new universe because any attempt to get a true pacifist ending after that point results in soulless.
The time travel in Undertale isn't as poorly-thought out as it seems. There are actual in-game rules that determine who remembers what and when.
>>187348557
>Not really.
Anon, its literally impossible for Flowey to have known what you did if the game really worked on the idea that the timelines braced out. He would have to have complete omniscience over every single timeline since he wouldn't shift along with Frisk since he lacks the ability to do so anymore and its very clear he doesn't otherwise he would know every possible thing that was going to occur right then and there like some kind of even more crazy Dr.Manhattan. The only way Flowey can do what he does in game is if there is only one timeline that its being pulled back to the starting point over and over and that's it.
>It's just that things start up again at the other end and continue to play out.
that means its not the end of all timelines if one comes back and continues past that point.
I'm sorry but your logic just doesn't work out
>>187348648
I wanna have sex with that alley gator
>>187347825
fat cat
>>187348967
see
>>187348947
You're a little late to the punch, anon. I've already explained myself. It's consistent with what Sans says.
>>187348947
>>187349283
but even in that case it still means that the canon timeline for Undertale is the one that picks up past TP since its what Toby made the Q&A based on. Its still the same logic as trying to say that the Hobbit is the last canon book set in the LOTR universe and that the other books aren't canon because death of the author and because the Hobbit has an ending.
>>187349136
>>187349361
>but even in that case it still means that the canon timeline for Undertale is the one that picks up past TP since its what Toby made the Q&A based on
I've refuted your entire argument so you've resorted to repeating yourself. True Pacifist is just one of many possible timelines. It's the one Toby chose to do a Q&A for because he thought it'd be funny to have 10 separate answers to the same stupid question.
Unless you're so desperate for new content you'll even consider glorified shitposts as canon.
>>187349167
the fattest
>>187349136
I really wish there were more bootylicious bratty pics
>>187349543
got the uncensored version
>>187349136
>>187349609
I would fuck them both.
>>187347787
Some people are actually believing your gibberish and I need to make sure the truth is out there.
Why don't you help me make the road shorter and admit the spider is not cute!
>>187349710
I don't think they'd give you a choice. It's a 2-for-1 deal.
>>187349831
Even better!
>>187349693
That's the full version
But have these instead:
https://i.4cdn.org/trash/1503796592857.png
https://i.4cdn.org/trash/1503796667600.png
>>187349710
the only correct choice
>>187348947
>This is jumping into the start of a completely different timeline
Well, kind of. Flowey states that doing so would rip everyone from that point and bring them back to the start, but at the same time, Sans was physically monitoring the progression of timelines. Something not even Flowey was capable of.
>>187349929
I feel like a Floridian
>>187349581
>.It's the one Toby chose to do a Q&A
and that's what makes it canon. Because the creator of the work chose it to be the one that the story continues off of even if that story was just as simple as seeing what the undertales were up to some time after the barrier
Which was the point of it. Yes it was framed around the joke of asking the same question over and over but the point of it was to get an idea of what the characters were doing and how they fared post TP while learning more about them which is something that I don't understand why people missed. You aren't suppose to come away from the Q&A only knowing that Papyrus favorite food is dino oatmeal. Youre suppose to see that Sans and Toriel are still friends, you're suppose to see that Alphys and Undyne are still going strong, you're suppose to see that Flowey is still around, you're suppose to see that Bpants still has a shitty job, you're suppose to see that Asgore loves shitty internet memes and hangs around with Alphys and Undyne and that Alphys taught them the internet.
Yes it was framed around a joke be we still got very real and valid information about the characters and their post ending lives. For genocide to actually be considered just as canon Toby would have to do set some kind of content post genocide ending. As he hasn't yet the only logical assumption is that TP is the intended ending and the one that Toby chose to continue the universe of Undertale off of and that's why its canon.
I don't know if you've played Drakengard or not but its a perfect example of multiple endings and timelines being canon because they have content set in the various different endings that mean they all are just as valid and just as canon. Undertale only has new content based on a single ending so its the only ending until Toby decides to make something based around the void in TP or around the soulless ending
>>187350218
Please don't fuck the gators.
>>187350036
It is the choice of champions!
>>187349136I wanna smooch those feet
>>187350260
>and that's what makes it canon
Except it doesn't.Your worthless pacifism is just as valid as my glorious genocide. We are the same.
>>187350430I'd use her ass as a gatory pillow
>>187350260
Anon why are you sodeterminedto try and prove your preferred ending is the right one and all other endings are wrong? Why can't everyone just have their own preferred ending?
>>187350683
Anon, i'm sorry but my argument is just better than yours. Its not your fault, its Toby for deciding to make more new content instead of just finishing his damn game.
if it makes you feel better hes doing dumb ARG shit again with the last PC update so we might get a new game out of it or more content and all this theory crafting and headcanon crap will have been for nothing
>>187350831
Honestly I don't really care if people want to consider Genocide canon to their whatever since I don't give a fuck what you personally believe but when you start to try and push over and over on other people, people are going to push back and it just so happens that there is a pretty good argument to be made that TP is canon.
Also im bored and this is kind of fun and I like arguing about shit. I've argued for genocide being canon in the past before the Q&A came out so its not like i'm outraged or triggered at it being possible. I don't mind extremely depressing endings. One of my favorite games of all time was fucking Nier and no one got a happy ending in that(until maybe automata but I haven't played that yet so I don't know)Okay maybe Beepy got a happy ending but i'm not sure if that's been retconned yet. Everyone else suffered like fucking crazy and died pointless depressing deaths
>>187351420
You're okay in my books, anon, but I think a tad misguided. The Q&A IS canon - for the true pacifist ending. It has no sway on the neutral and genocide endings. In fact I'd say that anything in the game is the purest source of canon, and the Q&A is a secondary type of canon. But you can't have a true pacifist ending where the events listed in the Q&A didn't happen. I admit that.
But the fact we're even having this conversation is pretty sad, ain't it?Besides, everyone knows Towel is the most canon Undertale.
>>187351420
>and all this theory crafting and headcanon crap will have been for nothing
One can only hope.
>>187351825
>and the Q&A is a secondary type of canon
I know where you're coming from and its an idea that i've seen used before in stuff like Harry Potter and I mean we all have video games that we would rather pretend aren't canon for various reasonsSilent Hill Origins and Homecomingbut I don't know how much I personally believe in the idea of some canon things being more canon than others when it was all created by a single dude. That's a weird slope to go down and brings up a lot of weird possibilities like that LOTR example I used. Like where do you draw the line? Is everyone's opinion just as valid? Is my shitty Harry Potter alternate year 7 fanfic just as valid as the Deathly Hollows?
I personally think Death of the Author should only apply if its an attempt to go back and retcon something that already occurred sometime after a work is finished. An example would be Star Wars and the infamous who shoot first thing or the Hermione really being black thing even though there are quotes in book that contract that. The Q&A doesn't really do that.
>>187352457
That contradict that not contract.
I'm getting tired.
>>187352457
>Is everyone's opinion just as valid?
In regards to the endings, yes. But if you want a true pacifist ending you have to accept the Q&A.
Saying that because one ending got a joke Q&A so the other endings need one too to become canon is stupid and disingenuous. Because you can't have a similar thing for those endings. That's why Toby chose the True Pacifist ending.
It's not death of an author, it's saying that content that is canon for one ending isn't necessarily canon for others.
>>187352718
I addressed that with the whole LOTR vs Hobbit thing. Yes you could in theory agure that the ending of the Hobbit is the only canon piece of information and that everything else is just as canon but its clearly not going to be true. To use a somewhat revlevant example right now in gaming it would be as if you tried to agure the ending in Half Life 1 where you turn down G-mans job offer and he drops you into a void to die a horrific death is just as canon as the ending where you accept and the later games are built off of. Unless its something like Drakengard that has multiple timelines as a canon plot point and pieces of media that exist in all of those timelines to the point that none of them are really more canon than the others. That would be okay but Undertale hasn't really done that. So far we've only gotten proof that the TP ending is canon and the rest are just what ifs.
Here i'll use Silent Hill as another one. Silent Hill 1 has 4 endings but because the third game is a direct sequel only the 3rd or 4th ones should be considered canon since its the only point that gets expanded on. They're simply more valid than the others because they have stuff that exist outside themselves, more proof of existing if you will.
>>187352718
>>187353184
thank god we dont have one coherent main storyline, otherwise people might be offended!.
>>187353184
I'm sorry anon but I can't accept what you're trying to put forward here. It's just one tiny Q&A. Not an additional 3 books, or several other games. It's barely anything. You're grasping at straws here.
>Unless its something like Drakengard that has multiple timelines as a canon plot point
And according to Sans it does. Unless you're going to dismiss what he says as noncanon, which is in the game, which is the purest source of canon. But doing that and then insisting that a joke Q&A is canon would be stupid.
There will be no official "canon" ending to Undertale until there is an Undertale sequel. So if you're just going to keep going around in circles, we can stop the conversation here.
Had a little free time so I did a shitposty mashup of funk pancadão (BR genre, ridiculously dirty lyrics) and Asgore's theme.
https://soundcloud.com/ryunocore/asgore-lelek/s-yOSKN
Anyone else doing what can arguably be constituted as OC?
>>187353653
I'm working on Chapter 30 of Breaking Through Fate.
There are some pretty big revelations that happen in the chapter, so I have to make it appropriately dramatic.
I also went back and edited some dialogue in previous chapters to make it flow better.
>>187353479
>it's just one tiny Q&A
but its written by Toby Fox and since hes the god of the Undertale universe, both in a literal and figurative sense, hes get the final say so he literally does get to decide which ending is true and which ending is just a what if. TP simply has more proof of being the 'canon' one than the others so for now its the only ending that ii would make sense to be considered canon. This could easily change in the future since as you said he left it open to the point that he could toy with the idea of there being alternate timelines due to a true reset. An example of a post genocide ending that would make it canon that could still be told would be if some how Sans or Gaster or whoever were able to pierce into and view that dead timeline first hand from one of the good ones. You could easily use that to set up a new game or something by having Chara escape or Frisk escape into the new universe or any thousands of weird shit i've seen done with that concept. Its not impossible to have stuff occur after genocide.
This isn't related since it really has nothing to do with the agurment that TP is more canon than genocide but its a little nitpick I have with Sans speech at the end of the game and the fandoms view on it in general so i'll give my thoughts.
The thing is that you're blindly accepting Sans word as if hes being used as a direct mouth piece by Toby but really if you think about that doesn't make sense. Sans is not omniscient and hes not even experiencing the resets first hand like Frisk and Flowey are so its unclear how solid his findings or methods are. I'm not saying that hes wrong but we have vastly more direct hand proof that hes not correct and even more we have no real reason to believe that Sans knows what hes talking about. All his shit is so vague that he could be a complete expert on the subject with a PHD on resetology or talking out of his ass to scare Frisk into resetting.
>>187353653
I'm trying to establish a new habit of brainstorming fic ideas for a solid 20 minutes every night as I settle down for bed. I haven't written anything substantial yet, but it's helping to loosen me up and get my creative juices flowing again.
If a hypothetical sequel game let you "battle" with a cast of 4 teammates, which 4 characters do you want on your team?
>>187354874
Asgore, Undyne, Papyrus and Frisk
We got a spell sword(trident), a dragoon, a paladin and a bard with 100% diplomacy
>>187354874
Papyrus, Gaster, Undyne, Sans
>>187354874
as much as i would like sans on a team, he would probably just sleep and make puns most of the time in battle.
I return to the living!
>>187355079
>Dead weight for 99% of the game.
>Have to tolerate him for whole game to keep him on the team.
>Is your most ultimate teammate in the final boss fight.
>>187355079
>>187355176
Sans would be the goof off class from Dragon Warrior 3
You know its true, accept it in your heart
>>187355120
>not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS6BX-gcJqw
baka
>>187354517
I'm not even going to bother with the first section since you're confirmed this belief to nobody but yourself.
>so its unclear how solid his findings or methods are
I disagree. He's right because this is the first and only time we hear him talking about timelines and such. So he has to be right about everything or else the entire speech he gives during his fight is pointless. This is Sans telling you how the universe you've been inhabiting (and are now hellbent on destroying) operates. This is something Flowey/Asriel doesn't know. It's new information exclusive to the genocide path. It has to true.
so yes
bad time bone daddy sans is more of an expert on time travel than Flowey, at least as far as the universal effects of time travel go. Flowey is just a kid (literally) playing with a power he barely understands.
>>187355079
I guess it would depend on game difficulty.
If it's an easy game, you can afford to use characters you like but aren't very good.
If it's a difficult game, then it would be better to use characters you may not necessarily like, but are useful.
>>187355225
I used to do that, but I like to mix it up now and again.
Plus, song reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buUDDN0LA2M
>>187354874
Undyne, Papyrus, Gerson, and I'm cheating and leaving the fourth spot open as the 'guest' slot so the other characters can show up for specific quests.
>>187355246
I'll give you an example. Until you beat the true pacifist route, you assume that the story told to you by the citizens of New Home about Asriel and Chara is 100% accurate and true. It is only after speaking directly to Asriel that you learn that Chara was the one who carried their body to the surface and wanted to wipe out the humans. In this case until you play genocide everything you learn about saving and resetting from Flowey is true. But then Sans comes along and adds new information that succeeds what Flowey says. It's one of the key things you learn while playing genocide, the other being the true nature of Chara.
>>187354874
Toriel, Asgore Flowey and Sans.I want everything to be awkward and everyone to suffer as much as possible.
>>187355246
>since you're confirmed this belief to nobody but yourself.
Are you seriously still trying to say that you're headcanons should be more valued than the creator of the game? Because you're crazy if you expect that to be respected and not mocked for the bullshit that it is. I gave examples of the same concept being applied to multiple examples of video games and other pieces of fiction while explaining how they relate to Undertale. All i've seen you do is try and deny that a canon creation made by the creator of the game that directly continues the story of the game is non-canon because you're offended it was framed as a joke.
Sans stuff now
So what you're saying is that Sans is right because hes right and otherwise he would be wrong but he can't be since hes right so he has to be right?
Circular logic desu!
Plus you're wrong about
>or else the entire speech he gives during his fight is pointless.
The whole point to Sans fight is that hes trying to get you to reset. He could be completely talking out of his ass because his actual number 1 goal is to get you to start over and telling you that something awful will happen and end everything forever if you don't could easily just be another example of that. Bullshit that hes saying in order to get you to reset, hell the line about the other sans is only mentioned directly after he just LIED TO YOU and dunked your ass.
We already know hes wrong about the universe ending anyways because you can post genocide so its clearly not the actual end of a timeline since Frisk & Chara are still around. I'm not saying Sans is wrong or right but you could easily frame it as just him bullshiting you and its just as valid because Toby never gave us reason to trust Sans word over Floweys because we know jack about him. Sans lies to us and tricks us at multiple points during the game and theres not any reason to believe hes just not doing the same thing this time but at a much larger stake
>>187356303
>I gave examples of the same concept being applied to multiple examples of video games and other pieces of fiction while explaining how they relate to Undertale
And did so badly. There's a reason nobody else has chimed in. They all think your crazy.
>All i've seen you do is try and deny that a canon creation made by the creator of the game that directly continues the story of the game
In only one of the routes. That's where it's canon. Nowhere else does it apply.
>He could be completely talking out of his ass because his actual number 1 goal is to get you to start over and telling you that something awful will happen and end everything forever if you don't could easily just be another example of that. Bullshit that hes saying in order to get you to reset
Come on anon, even you don't believe that. In fact I'd argue that this is the one instance in the game where he's speaking the absolute truth.
>>187356303
Not who you're replying to, but if Sans is lying about his knowledge of timelines, why would he wait until the Genocide route to attack you? He's only motivated to fight when he believes the entire universe is about to be erased. If you take that motivation away, nothing he does in the game makes any sense.
Unless you think Sans is a huge asshole, I guess?
>>187356867
That's part of why I don't think Chara is resetting time as much as recreating the entire world because they're essentially god at that point.
Sans: Reluctant Baby-sitter.
Coming 2018
>muh out of game anniversary shitpost confirms true pacifist is canon
>but sans who is actually in the game is lying on the genocide route
Makes perfect sense
>>187356793
>And did so badly. There's a reason nobody else has chimed in. They all think your crazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
try again
>In only one of the routes. That's where it's canon. Nowhere else does it apply.
Its the only route that has content that exists outside of the game so of course its more valid than genocide
Also I already got all you guys to admit that genocide isn't more canon than TP and that was my actual goal anyways
>>187356867
>Unless you think Sans is a huge asshole, I guess?
I mean he kind of is. Anyways that's just a silly idea I was throwing out there to use as an excuse and pretty much just me bitching about how vague Sans shit is. You make a really good point about him being motivated vs the other routes so yeah there's proof that he believes what hes saying and isn't bullshitting you. Hes still wrong about the timeline ending though since Frisk and Chara still exist and that would be impossible if a timeline straight up ended. That's not how timelines work.
>>187357084
Now this is actually possible and I respect it. Timelines all going to null makes no fucking sense since there are actions post genocide. I conced this one to you
>>187357247
Two different things being argued with no direct relation. Don't be dumb and bitter
>>187357374
>Also I already got all you guys to admit that genocide isn't more canon than TP and that was my actual goal anyways
Newsflash: nobody ever said that. Everyone kinda already agrees that all endings are equally valid.
So all of this was completely pointless?
Pacifist = Genocide > Neutral
It's always been like this. Seriously, try and find one person who stopped playing after getting the neutral ending.
>>187357084
If you want to depart from the in-game explanation, the solution is (as usual) in the meta level.
Chara doesn't destroy the world, she creates "System_Information_49X".
In the programming of the game, everything is literally still there, but that file blocks you from seeing and interacting with it.
Following that (admittedly silly) train of thought, selling her your soul replaces "49X" with "49Y" (I forget the numbers), which functions as a program backdoor for the soulless pacifist ending.
>>187357374
>Also I already got all you guys to admit that genocide isn't more canon than TP and that was my actual goal anyways
You misunderstood what I was saying. I never said that genocide was the canon ending, just that it was the only "perfect" ending. You can't get much more complete than killing everyone and destroying the world.
>>187357525
>Newsflash: nobody ever said that.
You must not have been here the last few threads.
Beside I have yet to see you have any counter to the TP being more canon than genocide because of the Q&A thing other than you don't like the Q&A because it was framed around a joke. You're starting to get mad and make really obvious mistakes and trying to take potshots at me over dumb unrelated stuff.I'm stuck in the middle of a hurricane with nothing better to do so I could go all night if you want.
>>187357686
The Q&A changed all that because it gave valid new content that is a direct continuation of the game. Before it you were correct but now Pacifist is the only one that can be actually considered canon.
>>187357885
The party line has been that it was the most valid ending for at least a few threads now so lets not try to retroactively change history. Its okay to admit that you were wrong, anon. Theres'' no fault in changing your hypothesis once its been proven incorrect.
>>187358138
>Beside I have yet to see you have any counter to the TP being more canon than genocide because of the Q&A thing
Because it's really, really dumb. It's hard to refute something when you're so obstinately committed to it that you ignore every other possibility. I'll stand by what I said: the Q&A is canon - for true pacifist. That's it.
We can end the conversation right now and you can go back to being drowned on dry land.
>>187354874
Undyne, Papyrus, Asgore, andMettaton
also
why the FUCK are you people still replying to that one guy? didn't i tell you he isn't worth your time?
>>187357084
This travels into headcanon territory, but I saw it as Chara permanently altering the universe in such a way that whatever machinery Sans was using to track timelines couldn't account for it. It's like a point of no return. History is rewritten. The timeline isn't outright destroyed, but the changes Chara makes guarantee that certain outcomes will never happen again.
>>187358524
Yeah, something like that. Maybe creating a pocket universe or whatever. It gets really messy the second you give Chara your soul.
>>187358440
I was tempted to say Mettatonbut only in his box form because his defenses would make him an unstoppable tank.
>>187356248
>Asgore dealing with Toriel and Sans constantly punfucking each other
>Flowey being in close proximity to his parents for extended periods of time
>and Smiley Trashbag
>Sans being separated from Papyrus
You're a dick, anon.
>>187354874
Set it a decade or two in the future and have a party of Frisk, Monster Kid (Trained by Papyrus), old veteran Undyne, and then Sans, who's OP but has a bunch of weird mechanics based on his laziness.
>>187358440
Who do you mean? The dadfag (that's me!) or the two charafags i'm talking to? Because either way I think this is going really well. All of us are talking about the game and no ones chimped out and started posting cuck shit all over the place or whatever the meme shit post of choice is tonight so its a win win so far.
I'm having fun and I hope they are as well since this is a really interesting thing to talk about. If its ticking people off they can just filter us.
>>187358401
>I'll stand by what I said: the Q&A is canon - for true pacifist.
The fact that none of the other endings has canon post game content while this one does makes a very strong argument to it being the one that should be considered canon above the others. Will you at least agree to this? Regardless of what you think about the actual Q&A and you can't deny that my point makes complete sense.
>>187359171
>Will you at least agree to this?
Not unless Toby specifically says that's why he chose it for the Q&A and not just because it had the highest joke potential.
>>187359171
>The fact that none of the other endings has canon post game content
Ahem...Soulless Pacifist.
>>187359171
>tfw a dadfag and charafags are the only people left to still discuss the game
Dog help us
>>187359258
Anon please, you're just being stubborn at this point. Its literally the only ending that got expanded on by the actual creator. I think we're unfortunately done here because you can't seem to get over the fact that just because its also a joke doesn't mean it also wasn't canon. Here's a small tidbit to you about something that might freak you out to know.A lot of shit in Undertale is both canon and also a joke. Its a comedy game and you guys really need to get over being butthurt over the Q&A at this point. Its just dumb
>>187359327
Can't exist in the Q&A. I was referring to official out of game content that continues the story not just the epilogue.
>>187358637
And that's why you should never share your soul with strange undead children with a penchant for murder.
>>187358642
>you want him to tank in his metal box
>occasionally bursts out with little defense and dances because "i cant hide these leeeeeeegs"
>>187359641
>I was referring to official out of game content that continues the story not just the epilogue.
Oh, so you were cherrypicking. Why didn't you say so?
>>187359641
You still don't get it. It is canon. For the true pacifist ending. Because it takes place after the true pacifist ending. It has no effect on either the neutral or genocide endings and you have no proof that it does.
In the case of the Hobbit, it's a prequel to Lord of the Rings. It's its own self-contained story but its canon that afterwards the events of LotR start up. This is different. This is an epilogue to a specific ending that may or may not have happened in your game.
>>187359729
That's not what cherry picking is. The argument i'm using is that all the endings happen in the actual game but the canon out of game content indicates that the only ending that is considered true by the creator of the game is the TP one since its the one that Toby is using to expand the universe from
TP is more canon than the others because its the only one that exists outside of its self contained video game and is being expand on
>>187359815
and TP has more proof of being the final canon ending to the actual game than genocide because its the only one with content that continues past the game itself. What you're saying is the same as saying that the bad end in Half Life 1 is just as canon as the ending that is actually used for more content. Its dumb as hell
So what happens when Toby releases the 2nd anniversary Q&A that's 10 questions about what Chara's favorite food is?But honestly all of this is pretty fucking sad and Undertale deserves better.
>>187360040
>and TP has more proof of being the final canon ending to the actual game than genocide because its the only one with content that continues past the game itself
According to your bullshit rules it does.
>that is actually used for more content
Yeah, two whole games. And a third that will never exist. The Q&A isn't even close in terms of prominence. Also time-travel and multiple timelines weren't canon in that game series. They are here. You still haven't found a way to worm out of that.
>>187360071
it would be weird for Asgore and Toriel to talk about their dead kid desu
Obviously if Toby makes content set after genocide than everything I said will be bullshit because he has the final say on whats canon
>>187360040
>the only ending that is considered true by the creator
>considered true
>by the creator
Death of the Author.
>>187359683
That could be a good way to balance him out. He's got massive defensive stats, but he wastes a turn at predictable intervals to stretch out and pose.
Kinda like the Truant ability in Pokemon, but more fabulous.
>>187360221
I meant Chara being asked the question 10 times and responding with the same one word answer: chocolate. It was a joke. An attempt at humor.
But frankly at this point I don't give a shit what he says. The only thing he could do that'd make me care is finish the damn game.
>>187360232
Already tried that. But honestly if you asked Toby which of Undertale's endings are canon he'd probably just shrug his shoulders and post a meme.
>>187360193
>>187360232
>if i dont like it, its not cannon!
>i dont care what the creator says! Death of the Author.
>>187360193
>According to your bullshit rules it does.
its the agreed upon rule of fiction in general that the creator can expand on a story or video game if he wants. You aren't going to seriously agure that Silent Hill 3 should just be written off as non-canon because it contracts two of the endings are you?
>>187360232
Toby has final say on it and you can't just invoke death of the author for no reason. Its the same as if you said that the Hobbit was the last book set in the LOTR universe because it has an ending. No one is going to take you seriously and you would be considered a joke.
Also fyi none of that is what death of the author actually means. It can be used to ignore what an authors intent was on the work in question but its not used to ignore future work they created that is set in the same universe.
>>187360640
>you can't just invoke death of the author for no reason.
I'm invoking it because Toby's "Say" was the game.
Even in the bullshit you're citing, he never says "Oh btw, this is the canon ending", so shut up with your autistic nonsense.
>>187360620
I mean I wasn't trying to be that rude about it but pretty muchwhat it boils down to.
is undyne a finger
>>187360620
Honestly, I don't. I'd totally be willing to accept your nonsensical argument if I thought it'd get me more Undertale content. But all of this is just a great big exercise in futility. We're wasting our time. TP can be the canon end if you want it to be. But that doesn't change the fact that the game is over and the story will never be expanded upon again. That's why you cling to something as flimsy as a one-time tumblr account with 12 posts in its archive.
>>187360778
Anon, its a piece of fiction that is set after the end of the game and was created by the original creator with the intent to expand on concepts he introduced in the original piece of fiction. You literally can't get more canon if you tried.
>>187360863
I have still yet to see an actual argument about why the Q&A shouldn't count other than you guys not liking it for various reasons.
>>187360640
>it contracts two of the endings are you?
From my point of view the Dog ending is canon. But that's just it, isn't it? Silent Hill 3 is a proper sequel. Call me when Undertale 2 is announced and I might give a shit.
>Its the same as if you said that the Hobbit was the last book set in the LOTR universe because it has an ending
Do you ever get tired of pulling that strawman?
>future work
lmao
>>187360373
could have the legs/box combo to find a happy medium, different modes. like mettaton EX mode for ultimate glass cannon (cant even take a non hp reducing attack).
>ANNOYING DOG used BARK at METTATON EX
>METTATON EX fall apart at the vibration of the BARK
>>187360964
>I have still yet to see an actual argument about why the Q&A shouldn't count
It counts for true pacifist. Now be quiet.
>You literally can't get more canon if you tried.
This is the kind of desperation you'd only see in a fandom so starved for content they'll start including glorified shitposts.
>>187360964
So I assume you've asking him if your implications are grounded, then?
What did he say?
I'm totally holding my breath for an answer that isn't a dodge.
>>187360986
The future work in question was the Q&A. Look i'm just going to quote what I said above you
>its a piece of fiction that is set after the end of the game and was created by the original creator with the intent to expand on concepts he introduced in the original piece of fiction.
You're just mad that it wasn't in the form of something you wanted but you can't just use that as an excuse why it shouldn't count. Its childish and just you throwing a tantrum because Toby is a hack.
>>187361095
>I have still yet to see an actual argument about why the Q&A shouldn't count other than you guys not liking it for various reasons.
Still waiting
>>187360863
thats the spirit!
>>187361104
>a dodge
Literally and figuratively. Like, I'd halfway expect him to just post a Doge meme.
>>187361095
Setting aside this idiot, what the fuck is Fox working on now, anyway?
>>187361129
You're starting to sound like a broken record, so I think I'm going to start ignoring you now. Feel free to take this as a concession or whatever.
I'm just going to accept that as you guys are giving up and that one anon is throwing a tantrum because he can't into any more actual arguments that aren't just insults or being butthurt about the Q&A
I'm up anytime you want to answer why the Q&A shouldn't be the thing we use to determine what ending is actually canon but until then I think I made my point.
Post cute now
>>187361226
>what the fuck is Fox working on now, anyway?
A mansion-sized doghouse?
I don't understand why people are only allowed to enjoy explicitly canon things or why fans should stop loving and creating content for a game because it won't get a sequel.
>>187361425
Oh, I'm super butthurt about the Q&A. Don't get that wrong. It's the reason I abandoned this place in the first place. I'm bracing myself for renewed disappointment when the second anniversary comes around.
But this argument has stopped being any fun and has just become tedious, so I'm glad it's ending.
>>187361464
No one ever said people couldn't enjoy non-canon stuff. Just that there is a clear ending that is more canon than the others.
>>187361005
>one of his legs is blown off
>Mettaton is so pissed, he picks it up and starts beating enemies with it
>>187361427
Using undertale money for wallpaper.
>>187361464
It's usually because the quality of that content is inferior to the official product. But if Toby ever starts canonizing fanfiction I think someone's going to kill him.
>>187354874
Papyrus, Frisk, Parsnik, Heats Flamesman.
Okay not Heats Flamesman.
Papyrus, Frisk, Parsnik, Undyne.
Papyrus is good at controlling the field between Blue Magic and his Attack-spam precision, plus he has Cyan Magic and possibly Gaster Blasters.
Frisk is a must for their Determination and ability to tank Attacks like a champ.
Parsnik is a good Attack-spammer and comes with Green Magic, which will help save on wasting Items. White Mages are perfect like that.
As for Undyne... she beat my ass like it was a fucking drum. Her second version of her spinning circle of spears is a bitch to dodge. She'll be perfect for a party.
I thought about Sans but he's a lazy fuck who'd be more of a waste in my Party than a Bard/Dancer. Toriel didn't use Green Magic in her fight and Asgore is more of the same and I was able to dodge his Trident way too easily. Then there's Mettaton who is a shitty bomber, man, and he is more Glam than Substance.
>>187361226
rolling in that sweet sweet undertale merch dosh? undertale ost reremix?undertale anime? hiveswap music? pffft haha ha ha yeah right, that last one, who am i kidding.
>>187361549
Aside from the actual argument I always found it funny that people got upset over the Q&A. It was literally all I wanted him to do and it was fucking perfect and full of really cute and good stuff that expanded on all the characters I liked in a way that felt like a natural progression of the ending.
In my opinion it was the best thing he could have done short of just releasing a new game or a giant update that changed everything via hard mode. I think peoples exceptions were just too high and it led to too many of you guys being bitter about Undertale as a whole and that's a real shame imo.
>>187361564
It's the message I'm getting from posts like these:
>>187360863
>>187361549
>>187361818
Oh I have nothing to do with those posts so I don't know what they feel. I love non-canon content and I follow a bunch of fanfics in other fandoms.
One of my favorite HP fanfics is a completely non-canon retelling of the series with one little detailed changed. Its great
>>187361803
I would have unironically preferred nothing.
>I think peoples exceptions were just too high and it led to too many of you guys being bitter about Undertale as a whole and that's a real shame imo
And yours are too low. Wanna argue about it for a couple of hours?
>>187361630
the game could just be called OverTale, since its all above ground. its just a goofy ass even more notearthbound rpg with the stats straight up LYING to you even more than the first game! want that high ATK guy? too bad he cant hit worth for shit! high speed for first attacks? he sleeps most of the time! wanna grind? it doesn't do jack shit for your stats! the numbers are lies! its a rpg for people who hate rpgs!
>>187361803
>It was literally all I wanted him to do and it was fucking perfect and full of really cute and good stuff that expanded on all the characters I liked in a way that felt like a natural progression of the ending.
No wonder you take offense towards anyone who dismisses it.
>>187362008
>And yours are too low.
probably
Literally the only thing I wanted going in was knowing that my favorite was doing good post TP since it was something that made me depressed to think about. I got that so in my eyes the Q&A was perfect. I understand that for a Charafag the whole thing must have felt like complete bullshit because there was zero new content about them. But hey the new ARG thing might have some connection to Chara what with the lines about a demon
>>187362127
and you were just mad that it wasn't what you wanted. I'm really sorry you feel that way but your personal feelings don't change that it was created just like mine didn't change it at all
>>187361803
>I think peoples exceptions were just too high and it led to too many of you guys being bitter about Undertale as a whole and that's a real shame imo.
To be fair that's partially Toby's fault. Some of the tweets leading up to it got people's hopes up.Its very nature is shrouded in darkness.
>>187362228
That tweet was made months beforehand and yeah its pretty fucking bullshit. I don't think its really fair to shit over the Q&A for what it wasn't when you could just enjoy it for what it is. I understand why people were mad about it, I just don't agree.
>>187361803
I loved the Q&A and it exceeded my expectations quite a bit. I was genuinely expecting a short note from Toby thanking the fans and nothing else.
Character interactions were my favorite thing about Undertale, to see all the major characters get a bit more dialogue was nice.
>>187362221
>But hey the new ARG thing might have some connection to Chara what with the lines about a demon
Nigga I'm not even gonna get my hopes up this time. So don't even try.
>>187362336
Yeah same it was really great and I even enjoyed the interactions between the characters I didn't really care about.
>>187362356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8tWv0uNhLY
Goat
Children
>>187362221
>I understand that for a Charafag the whole thing must have felt like complete bullshit because there was zero new content about them
It's funny that's it's been 2 whole years andyou all still think I'm really a Charafag. I like Chara, but I'm not a Charafag. I simply wanted what Chara was offering me: a way out.
>>187362538
little baby fricks
>>187362221
>But hey the new ARG thing
ARG?
>>187362540
____fag to me just means character you like the most or post the most desu. I don't really mean anything negative when I use it.
Anyways I just meant that I understand the disappointment and I'm extremely skeptical about Toby ever doing anything meaningful again but I guess i'm lucky in that my exceptions were meet and it sucks that Tobys stuff has made a bunch of once loyal fans bitter and disillusioned.
>>187362724
ARG is a bit much but the last update added a random line of code saying "He is" and its right above the text for Chara's stuff. The last updated was also entitled somenumber.A which implies there might be moreWhat i'm saying is that the Toby Fox Ruse Cruise has once again set off
>>187354874
Frisk, Papyrus, Undyne and... MK or Napstablook maybe?
Flowey would be support who mostly spends his time berating everyone and providing commentary
>>187362861
>ARG is a bit much but the last update added a random line of code saying "He is" and its right above the text for Chara's stuff. The last updated was also entitled somenumber.A which implies there might be more
Can I see a screenshot or something?
>>187362917
http://napstamuse.tumblr.com/post/164580994802/undertale-received-another-small-update-this-time
>>187362861
>and it sucks that Tobys stuff has made a bunch of once loyal fans bitter and disillusioned.
It turned us into FloweysBut while Chara might be the character I like the most, I don't agree with them. Or at least, I wouldn't had I gotten my way from the start.
>>187362221
ARG?
What ARG?
I know what an ARG is but what ARG are you talking about?
>>187362724
Alternate Reality Game. Think "Black Watchmen".
>>187362087
>Papyrus is advertised as a fast, hard hitter
>he's literally incapable of killing anyone and occasionally heals the enemy
>Undyne can enter something similar to berserker mode that increases her attack but drains her HP
>unless the enemy is pinned with magic, all of her attacks miss
>Flowey can join your party, but his playstyle is entirely based around status effects (taunt, scare, poison, bind, that sort of thing)
>30% chance he attacks your party instead of the enemy, he doesn't seem to listen to your input half the time
>>187362983
I don't recognize this dialogue. I'm the biggest Charafag here and I don't recognize this dialogue. What the fuck? Is it because it's dialogue that was previously bugged?
>>187363124
I shouldn't have used the words ARG because that's not really what it is. I'm really tied, sorry.
anyways this is what i'm talking about >>187362983
I'm HOPING it will become an ARG but its not really one yet
gotes are for kissus
>>187363208
Random bits of text in the code that were found by data miners and most likely put in there by Toby for people to speculate over. Many people assume it was related to Chara because of the demon stuff but who really knows.
>>187363367
It's definitely related to Chara. There's the telltale introduction of "Greetings" but I've never seen this dialogue in the game. And then the "HE IS" shit is also related to these strings, which once again, I've never seen in the game.
Oh, this is just fucking fantastic. I'm just about ready to leave this place again and then I find out about this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU
>>187363538
Yeah i'm kinda interested in it as well but i'm trying to not get my hopes up encase it just amounts to Toby fucking with us for the lols. Hope for the best but expect nothing.
Also the demon line has been in there for ages and only the HE IS is new.Chara confirmed boy / Darksid?
>>187363538
Please don't throw a massive fit when it turns out to be nothing and/or a joke.
>>187363702
I won't. I promise. I have no expectations this time. I'm simply a bystander.
>>187363673
After a little more digging some people have speculated it's related to Gaster, which is plausible, because I doubt Toby would confirm Chara's sex one way or another.
>>187362983
>>187363208
>>187363538
>>187363673
Chara referring to himself as a demon at the end of the Genocide route was pretty specific wording. I wonder if this (if it's an actual thing) will end up elaborating on the nature of 'demons' in the world of Undertale.
Brotherly antics
>>187362221
as a charafag, i dont really care. in TP they were SAVEd, in Geno i get a munchkin tupla to play vidya with (im joking btw, DONT fuck with those). all the backstory i could ever want is in the game. and if chara is anything like any other character in the game, is also a huge weeb, probably liked being strong in rpgs, but a broken person like anybody else in the game. but in the end its just a game to be played, and i enjoyed all the versions of chara that has been interpreted, even if i dont agree with some. being part of a crazy fandom can be a wild ride, but i would do it all again, and have done so with others. even with all the echo chambers and ear plugging, there is still genuine creativity in the community and interesting views on the same scenarios that i still find myself looking into. all in all, it can be considered a waste of time, but its all kinda nice, you know? we all have our fun, well after the game has been turned off.
>>187363817
Honestly and this is my most insane crazy hope that i'm very hesitant about embracing because I don't want to be burned BUTt i'm hoping its related to the Gaster game he teased over a year ago now with the whole " Its very nature is shrouded in darkness." thing
>>187363918
The phrase "greetings" is similarly character specific. But it's just two words, so I'm going to keep my expectations where they belong: in the garbage can.
But I will say 1 thing:Undertale took 2 years to create, and it's been 2 years since its release. The time would be right.
>>187364029
Marketing another game inside the code of the first game is some next-level shit.
>>187362652
>>187364198
Half Life did similar shit in both 1 and 2 via voice files. If you mess around with the random alien noises you hear during the Xen area they pretty much completely layout everything that happens in HL 2 and expands the universe while hinting about a ton of shit. 2 has a bunch of hidden lore that happens if you reverse the voices of a bunch of enemies and a bunch of random shit all over the place that hinted at the future of the series and at the lore
of course we all know how that ended...
>>187364093
Toby's been so busy with merchandise and everything required to get the Japanese localization published that I strongly doubt he's had the time to work on a new game.Unless he's hired people to work for him and we're not aware of it. Would we be aware of it?A new battle or a short DLC that adds an hour of gameplay would be amazing, but that's also fairly unrealistic.
>>187364358
>of course we all know how that ended
If Toby pulls a Gaben I hope someone crushes him with a STEAMroller
>>187364576
8 years from now Toby is going to leak a script on pastebin about how Undertale 2 would have gone if he hadn't been too lazy
>>187364367
>>187364093
2 years is a long time to be doing nothing else. i dont really expect anything, but with a console release im sure there could have been more added. great now im waiting for nothing too. probably some script that not being used anyway.
>>187364694
i would expect this much
Your fav is now dating Heavy Weapons Guy, what happens?
Oh dear, I'm doing it again. So, I've dug even deeper and found some interesting possible connections between Chara and Gaster, two characters who've seemingly been wiped from existence. Now, people have already theorized that Gaster's final experiment involved him peering into a genocide timeline and falling in, resulting in him being erased from existence with bits and pieces of him scattered across time and space. The second connection is that when you "name the fallen human" any of the established characters' names, you get a funny little dialogue quip from said character. Except Gaster. And while it was weird before, now you can't even enter the final letter in his name without the game soft-rebooting on you.
Additionally, Gaster's stats in the game are all 6s. As you know, the number of the beast i.e. a demonic number is 666. Chara refers to themselves as a demon.
Now why would Chara and Gaster be connected like this? The answer could be staring back at you right now.Beware the man who speaks in hands.
>>187363204
>Papyrus fucks up
Sounds like when RPGs have White Magic heal an undead instead of kill it. Always confuses me, especially in a series that normally has "heal, the pain train" going on.
>Undyne berserker boosts ATK drains HP
So... Dark Knight?
>Flowey... status effects
... oh god Flowey the Bard/Dancer. NO.
>>187363947
As a younger sib, I can appreciate an older sib fucking with someone. Paps just has to mess Sans back is all. Yelling will never solve anything and it just eggs him on.
>>187364858
But that's just a theory.
>>187364982
Damn fucking straight it is. Nothing more than pure conjecture. An attempt to tie together as many loose ends as possible.
>>187364842
he compares them to the sneaky stab tactics of spy, with the unrelenting glee of the pyro. they bond over mutual bloodlust. in the end they both team up and become partners and best mercenaries forever. The End.
>>187364858
Okay, so let's assume that Chara is a literal demon and that's their soul in the True Lab machine. Is Chara using it as a Phylactery? Is that how they've managed to stay "alive" this entire time is that they've become a literal fucking lich? Because that is some demoniacal bullshit if true.
>>187364858
The game breaks on you because a character named "GASTER" does not exist. Trying to use that name causes the game to remove YOU, the PLAYER, from the game. Because "GASTER" is now always removed from the game.
The 6s are an obvious synthetic number. We see this with Flowey when he spams 9s everywhere. Any character that's "immortal" or supposed to be "unkillable" in a situation is given a lot of 9s in DEF or HP, just as ones that you outright murder while their defense is down get negative 9s. Having them as 6s show that they are not intentionally placed as maximum.
The fun thing is that his GOLD and EXP drops are negative 6666. Which means that if you somehow manage to kill an unkillable thing, he gets the last laugh and siphons away your ill-gotten gains. Because why else would you kill him? For the challenge, for the bragging rights, for the loot.
Besides, the Number of the Beast is not necessarily Gaster as Satan. In Human Myths, more than just Christian lore, you have many different cultures describing monsters, demons, spirits, or wicked gods sealed in some manner. Underground, in another world, wrapped in chains, trapped under a distant mountain, past a giant wall... they are chained, tormented, or just condemned to a miserable existence within their sealed state.
>>187365538
>Any character that's "immortal" or supposed to be "unkillable" in a situation is given a lot of 9s in DEF or HP
LV20 with the Real Knife and The Locket gives you fake 99 ATK and DEF and 99 HP. But I think the 6s are meant to be extra spoopy instead of just symbolic for the maximum.
>>187363947
Yes.
>>187364918
I'm not very well versed in RPG terminology, would the Dark Knight fit Undyne the Undying? The reference page I'm looking at mentions dark arts a little too much for it to be a perfect match.
Ooh also
>the Annoying Dog is a secret party member that's incredibly difficult to unlock
>during your first battle with him active in your party, he steals all of your items and leaves
>this is permanent, he never comes back
>>187365743
Also, because 6s are upside down 9s.
Reminder that Asgore is very clearly based off Satan and that would make Asriel the anti christ so that's another connection to the 666 stuffWhat i'm saying is that Kingdings is canon and Asriel was their love child that Gaster somehow inserted into Toriel to make her thing Asgore had knocked her up instead of Asgore knocking up Gaster
>>187365939
That's the most disgusting thing I've ever read. Congratulations.
>>187366035
I got more proof
That's why Asriel uses a Gaster Blaster and why Toriel is friends with Sans, because he reminds her of Asriel and its why Papyrus wants the approval of the king so much and to join the royal guard like his adopted half sister Undyne and why they get along so well and why Asgore hangs out with Papyrus post TP and mades hedge art based off him
IT ALL MAKES SENSE
>>187364842
They make the most swole action packed fish-human hybrid mercenaries who ever lived.
>>187366147
toby pls
>>187364842
Medic is PISSED
>>187364842
>Asgore
Hot bara porn occurs
>>187366374
>bara porn
>hot
Maybe if you're gay or something
>>187365743
And if it was 7s, you'd have people claiming he was some sort of heavenly angel while 4 is death.
>>187365860
Dark Knight can cast stronger attacks from Hit Points.
..
Annoying Dog = Yuffie, but worse. Fucking Guest Party Members...
>>187365939 >>187366035 >>187366235
Troll is obvious, Anons. Don't feed.
>>187366147
Is Toriel Papyrus and Sans' mother?
>>187366467
>while 4 is death
If you're Japanese, maybe.
>>187366435
haha yeah that would be crazy... Good thing we don't have any gays here..
>>187366467
>troll
anon, please. I'm clearly just joking.
>>187366494
No of course notriver person is.
Oh fuck that also makes Asriel, Papryus' older / little brother which is why hes the only one that could entertain him for long!
>>187366554
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Death is a Horseman.
>>187366614
And setting off the bad fanon alarms. I've seen such shit be said dead seriously...
>>187365860
Undyne is a dragoon, this isn't even up for debate desu.
>>187366725
I have as well but trust me when I say im just being silly
>>187363208
just when i think im off of tobys wild ride, im getting back in again
>>187366916
I wounder if I should regret bringing all this up
>>187366952
nah, it shows that content is being added, like everyone wanted. so the console port isnt nothing after all... maybe.
>>187366614
This is all so complicated.
>>187367237I think he more meant if it causes shit posters to stay and keep throwing fits all over the place and yes you should
At least nobody's posting skeleton-goat hybrids
>>187366916
I know that feeling partner
>>187367321
No, I've been placated. And it's a win-win for me. If things work out, great, suddenly Undertale isn't quite as dead as it used to be. If they don't? Then I was right for not having any expectations.
hey guys
>listen to Bergentrucking
>listen to ASGORE
>go online and see people bullying him
It genuinely makes me angry that people would defend chara and not asgore. It makes me think no one has actually played the game. How can you not feel bad for this big fluffy idiot.
>>187368070
Because he's a big fluffy idiot who's too stupid to live, and too spineless to save himself.
>>187368153
thats why (You) gotta save him. Save them all. No one else can.
>>187368070
>implying I don't defend and love him
baka
Just not on here because those arguments got really annoying and repetitive and just pissed people off.
>>187367565
I can't believe I sold my soul to the devil
>>187368153
oh never mind looks like im still good
>>187367884
hey guy
>>187367884
Howdy
>>187357104
>>187368070
Also most of the Chara dindus will agure that Asgore is also a good guy and that him being a good guy is proof that Chara is good since they make a point that Asgore and Flowey prove that all the characters are suppose to be good people. Plus he has his own little niche in the fandom now and its not really considered cool to shit on him any more, or at least not as much as back in the day like it was.
Really that was mostly Soriel shippers who did it anyways and most of those have moved on to Sans x a slightly recolored version of Sans or whatever the next biggest tumbler craze is
>>187368216
I like ol' Fluffybuns. I just wish he'd slap Toriel across the cheeks every once in a while.
>>187368564
spousal abuse is wrong
Happy Family
>Everyone will be ripped from this timeline and sent back to before all of this ever happened
Call me crazy, but it almost sounds like Flowey says everyone is physically picked up from their place in true pacifist and moved to a new universe back to the start if you true reset.
>>187368723
You're thinking too hard, he just means that their memories will go back.
>>187368592
Good thing they're not still together then
Oh goodie. You all know what this means.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv01WWIUF60
>>187368691
Don't forget adopted family and in-laws!
btw do you have the other pictures in that set?They're all very cute
>>187368865
flowey no
>>187369136
I do not, Im afraid
>>187368865
They never divorced.
>>187369178
http://imgur.com/a/66OoI
I hope we last another Christmas
>>187369264
I like this one the most
>>187368983
So, with this conversation, plus the ones with Chara in mind, how the fuck is there an argument that the player is not an in-game "character"?
>>187369317
I thought you might
>>187369319
Beats me. Shit seemed pretty cut-and-dry.
>>187369319
I use to be very big on the whole OFF theory but people pointed out that Chara could be talking to Frisk and that Flowey might just be talking to Chara's grave or something although now that I think about it that doesn't really make sense. Their was some logic they used that was convincing but I don't remember what it was
>>187369319
It's a result of fandom drift. As fanworks became more and more prevalent and the fandom at large continued to develop Frisk and Chara in other mediums, their other role as on-again off-again metaphors for player agency started to fade. The player's got no place in fanworks, it's a hilarious disaster every time. It didn't help that Undertale's meta aspects were always kind of inconsistent to start with.
The Chara Defense Squad in particular got REALLY salty at the (correct) notion that the player is an acknowledged in-game entity, because they wanted to believe that everything significant in the game is because of Chara's presence.
>>187369534
>and that Flowey might just be talking to Chara's grave or something although now that I think about it that doesn't really make sense
It sure fucking doesn't. Unless he thinks tombstones can control time.
>>187369625
>fandom drift
Its hard to tell who's the biggest victim as a result of this. Id say Asgore since he gets no content, wheras Soriel gets entire AU's devoted to it. Papyrus is a lore crutch, Alphys and Undyne have gotten more attention. But none of this exposure is good, or very little of it is.
>>187369625
>because they wanted to believe that everything significant in the game is because of Chara's presence
Even genocide? I thought the CDF got super butthurt when people tried to pin genocide on Chara.
>>187369759
Asgore at least got one of the best fics in the fandom. It's probably preferable to someone like loverofpiggies getting their hooks into his character.
>>187369264
I want a Frisk for christmas, I'd take good care of them and pet them.
>>187369319
My stance on it is that the player is definitely an entity in the game, but I'd prefer that to be left out in fanart, fics, and when discussing most of the game's narrative (as in, things that don't involve Frisk/Chara all that much).
If I'm reading a story, I don't care for characters that are untouchable gods that control everything. In the game, I AM that god and I'm directly involved with the story, so it's a little different.
If the player isn't a canon entity, then who names the fallen human?
>>187369839
Probably because its hard to misconstrue his character motivations. Its pretty obvious. THeres nothing to get all autistic about other than his morality.
>>187369801
They tried to have it both ways, which made it extra frustrating. When Frisk tanks Asriel's hyperlaser finale, it's Chara. When Frisk chooses SAVE, they're either saving Chara or Chara is the one saving Asriel. But Genocide, oh noooo, Chara's quietly begging you to stop the whole way and it's you who corrupts them at the very end.
Luckily this all died down as far as I know, maladjusted shits like Draikinator found other obsessions
>>187369886
The fallen human's parents.
>>187369876
This. They're canon but you don't really gain anything by pointing to it. Frisk is the player's avatar within the game, with the exception of after TP when they become their own person.
>>187370003
>SAVE refers to Chara
jesus christ that triggered me, I fucking hate that argument
>>187369712
Yeah I have no idea what the fuck they actually said. I think it might have even been a really proto form of Charanarrator? I remember liking the idea when it was first making the rounds because I thought it was a cool way to tie Chara into the game more since otherwise they just kind of come out of nowhere at the end of genocide but lost interest in it when it started to be used as a way to make Chara more important than everyone else and the whole 'Asriel was lying about Chara being a bad person' incident
>>187369759
>wanting Asgore x Toriel AUs
https://tc-96.deviantart.com/art/Siblingtale-Babysitting-Page-1-665830197
enjoy
Endertale is also worth a look if you like Asriel
>>187369759
>Papyrus is a lore crutch
I don't know what this means unless you're referring to how he's used as a vehicle for Sans angst. I don't see that as often these days.
>>187370003
That's ridiculous. Chara hogs all the credit despite being absolutely fucking nowhere in the first two routes but as soon as we decide to do a violence it's all the fault of that mean ol' player. Pathetic.
>>187370194
It also undermines player investment. At the end of TP it was MY love for the characters that saved the day, it was MY stubborness to refuse a sad ending. But nah man, Chara is the hero, not me.
>>187370126
>and the whole 'Asriel was lying about Chara being a bad person' incident
That's gotta be my favorite. The sheer temerity of those niggers.
>>187369876
>I don't care for characters that are untouchable gods that control everything
Exactly. The existence of a Player within the world of Undertale makes sense only as long as it's in game format.
In the same words as an anon from earlier: if the Player is a character and Undertale works like a game in-universe in another form of media, it may as well be placing everything in the hands of the author's god-like OC, which doesn't make for a good story.I'd argue it's even worse than everything being Sans-centric, especially if the Player's a villain.
>>187370404
what if someone made a choose your own adventure fic?
>>187370404
strange places says hi
don't say hi back
don't even make eye contact with it
>>187369876
>>187370039
It doesn't matter if something is pleasing to you for it to be an in-game element.
If you're discussing and trying to piece together a subtextual narrative for the unseen shit in this game, you can't ignore things that are right in front of your face.
>>187370459
That could work.
>>187370471
Strange Places?
>>187370459
That's called a dating sim and I play the hell out of it and marry my husbando.
>>187370404
Just go with what they do in OFF aka the player is an actual being that exists but the game isn't literally set in a video game.
>>187370471
What was the fic where Chara like BDSMed and lobotomized the player and forced them to be their slave in order to fight Frisk? I remember that being really out there
>>187370404
>only as long as it's in game format.
Well Undertale is a game and never stops being a game, so...
>>187370674
I'm referring to fanworks.
>>187370570
>Strange Places?
very long and very bad chara "redemption" fic that pins all the blame on the Player, which is an in-story entity, an author insert, literally talks in Tumblr lingo, and only loses in the end because they want to
>>187370647
If the player is anything it should be a voice in Frisk's head.
>>187370695
It's telling of the general state of the Chara fandom back then that one of the only tolerable fics about them basically had the author just go "okay, hear me out - what if Chara was just an asshole, and by the end of this story, they're a little less of an asshole"
>>187370647
>the player is an actual being that exists but the game isn't literally set in a video game.
So you're saying you should cherry-pick and ignore the fact that Omega-flowey loads from Save FILES.
Y'know, I'm gonna be done with this game within a week or two, but its pretty endlessly annoying that you have these hardcore "fans" who don't care about the truth of the canon.
>>187370126
>used as a way to make Chara more important than everyone else and the whole 'Asriel was lying about Chara being a bad person' incident
That's not really a part of Charrator itself though, that's dindu bullshit.
I like Charrator because I think it's a nice narrative idea for them to be narrating no matter what route you are on, but their reactions change depending on how you act. They were still a terrible person in their life though and did try to wipe out humanity.
>>187370647
What would be the in-universe explanation for the Player's appearance? Parallel universes?
Something like in the Bravely Default series with the Celestial Realm would be nice.
>>187370695
Ew.
>>187370842
Probably the most sensible way to think about it is that Undertale uses common game mechanics terminology for actual in-world phenomena.
>>187370689
Fanworks are not Undertale.
At best, you can say that visually or narratively expressing the "Player-as-character" concept in pictures or stories is cringey as fuck. Nevertheless, that's the canon of the story.
>>187370762
>kid falls down hole and hits their head
>suddenly has schizophrenia
wewlad
It could work. Maybe the player tries urging Frisk to "experiment" and insists that everything they do can easily be undone.
>>187370842
SAVE and LOAD are in-universe abilities but that doesn't necessarily mean that the game is set inside an actual video game. They could just as easily be named something else and it would still work. Of course the idea is to invoke a video game by using stuff like HP, save states and LV but that doesn't mean the game has to be literally set in there and most of those things are twisted around anyways to mean something else
Honestly I just don't like the idea of Undertale being a literal video game world because it undermines the story to the point that it loses all meaning. I understand that it totally works if you want it to though
>>187370964
That would be very sensible, if not for the characters who directly address the player.
Really though, what is UNsensible about the game being a game?
>>187371148
See >>187371105
If it's a game in-universe, it loses all meaning.
>>187371105
see
>>187371148
Bro. I don't know and don't care why it disturbs you so much to think a highly meta video game is actually aware of being vidya, but its retarded.
Stop.
>>187371105
I agree with this, can't really state it better.
Plus, if the story is supposed to recognize that it takes place in a game, and there are characters that realize it, couldn't they rewrite the code to bring Asriel back?
>>187371212
That's your opinion. And that feeling on your part does absolutely zero to change the canon of the game.
Get that "feels before reals" bullshit out of here.
>>187371235
Nah i'm not because you can just as easily explain all the video game stuff with >>187370964
I'm not going to agure with you about it because I don't care strongly enough about it and I already had a giant debate about other shit in this thread.
>>187371298
It opens up too many giant plotholes
>>187371148
Leaning too hard on medium awareness can break the work's connection with an audience. I thought Pony Island was really obnoxious for this reason.
Undertale uses videogame terms to describe certain occurrences and the player is an acknowledged and anomalous entity in-game, but it's still functional as its own "world."
>>187371298
You live in a universe that operates with similar rules to any game world (only difference being complexity)
Can't you just turn off gravity and fly? Oh? You have no mechanism to influence such things?
Wow, imagine that.
>>187371235
>>187371338
Firstly, you're being very rude.
Secondly, it really does. If the entire world was just easily-rewritable code and the characters were also code, the story would have no meaning.
>>187371370
i felt that way with oneshot's secret ending, it carried a neat idea way too far
>>187371343
already addressed that excuse. "convenient naming" doesn't work when characters are addressing the player.
Jesus, is there ANYBODY who isn't utterly hidebound to a retarded head-canon that they guard like the One Ring?
I hear complaints about "charafags" "Skelefags" and all that shit, but you're ALL like this!
>>187371587
Jesus Christ dude you need to relax a bit
>>187371370
>I have this negative feeling about thing
>Therefore, thing must be different to protect my feels
Utterly pathetic, and yeah, I'm done being nice about it.
>>187371587
game is too nuanced to be a token "video game game". Characters are too deep for that sort of thing. Not every piece of media that breaks the fourth wall is 100% self aware.
>>187371685
No one cares that you're going to throw a fit over this
>>187371689
>This video game
>(which directly addresses the player and uses the save mechanic as a core story element)
>cannot be the way its story says, because that would make it less deep or something
Are you enjoying the smell of your own farts?
>>187371770
he's legitimately mad too, "hidebound" is a word beyond soriel's usual vocabulary
hilarious
>>187371805
the game repeatedly alludes to events outside of the game's focus, meaning the human war, the experiments and such. THeres an in game universe. There is an IN GAME UNIVERSE. Its not just a video game.
>>187371298
They wouldn't need to stop at reviving Asriel, if the characters could access the code they could alter everything about the world.
>>187371462
I can't tell if you're serious due to your overly confrontational tone but comparing easily accessible code to the laws of physics is really silly.
Besides, we're talking about the narrative and the characters, you rob them of their depth and appeal if you look at them as literal expressions of coding in a game.
>>187371770
>Calling a shitter a shitter is "throwing a fit"
Lol, you mad faggot.
Not an argument.
Still pathetic.
>>187371903
>X, which has nothing to do with Y, disproves Y
[head-canon derangement intensifies]
>>187371919
lol
It's nice that Asgore never killed anyone, Toriel never let a child die, Asriel was never anything but Flowey and Chara was never not dead since the whole universe is fake anyways and just a video game. I can't believe literally every dindu was right
>>187372009
>head canon
Im talking about the games actual canon, its story and world. YOure saying none of that exists.
>>187371915
>comparing easily accessible code to the laws of physics is really silly.
In-game code is the same as the laws of physics to a video game character.
You'll notice that many games actually PROGRAM PHYSICS into them.
I'm sorry that my tone has triggered you, but you people are insufferable in with your angsty bullshit.
Case in point:
>>187372032
I tell him his video game is a video game, and he's losing his mind over it.
>>187372081
>Its real to me, DAMMIT!
Okay.I knew this fanbase had autistic fuckers, but schizos are a new one.
If it's a game to us but not to them, then what exactly changes?
>>187372161
You're misunderstandings me be a sarcastic ass for being mad
>>187372268
What exactly are you arguing? That Undertale is a videogame? I'm pretty sure thats understood by everyone here.
>>187372331
Canon is subject to the player's whims, the characters have no personalities or will of their own, and the events in the story lose all of their emotional weight because everything is just code.
>>187372331
"Them" being the characters?
Nothing. Even if the game-world is overtly shown to be a game, at best, a select few characters know that.
However, the reason it IS important is that the direct addressing of the player sets up the game's call to introspection about why you want to do genocide runs.
>>187372375
When you're asking "Why can't a character reach out and change the fundimental laws of his world", the same question applies to you, sunshine.
If you can answer the question for yourself, then you have the answer as it applies to the game.
>>187372583
Just post Soriel porn if you want to trigger everyone. It'll be more effective than whatever you have going on now
>>187372583
Please, be civil. You're starting to come off as a troll.
>>187372474
>I'm pretty sure thats understood by everyone here.
If that was the case, I wouldn't have people arguing with me, would I?
You apparently give this thread too much credit, cuz we apparently have some stupid/delusional fuckers here.
>>187372650
>>187372703
>Argue fact
>Thread gets triggered
Good. Get the fuck back to tumblr if logic leaves you so distressed.
>>187372721
I dunno if youre trolling or whatever, but you've clearly misunderstood the argument. People are saying that the characters in the game are aware they're in a game but thats not really the case. Its one, maybe 2 characters that know this. If you assume ALL the characters in the game are self aware, well the plot jsut breaks down. Why is Toriel sad about dead kids who never even existed. Shit like that. Its not so much they can manipulate the game world as they can just ignore all the backstory that doesnt happen on screen.
https://www.amazon.com/Napstablook-Plush-Doll-Toy-inch/dp/B0747LQTYV/
Would you buy a knockoff Napstablook?
>>187372817
>People are saying that the characters in the game are aware they're in a game
That was absolutely not the argument and is not the case except with Sans and possibly Flowey.
You are the one with the misunderstanding.
However, that is a separate issue from whether the game's NARRATIVE operates with an awareness that the world is within a game, which it does.
>>187372896
That looks cute! It's hard to believe it's a knockoff.
>>187372968
>Sans is aware of the game
I'm done, go back to tumblr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sttbid2gzUo
post em
>>187372474
It's getting muddled but I think they're trying to argue that the in-game universe recognizes that it is set within a game? And other people are saying that meta elements like that can work in a game when used sparingly, but it ruins everything if pushed too hard or if used in a non-video game story? But it's devolved into shitflinging so...Toby is an inconsistent writer and the game's meta elements were poorly done.
>>187353653
>Polishing the last part of "His Duties", and another silly story I wrote, while deciding whether to write a new thing or prep an older thing for AO3. Edited my AO3 collection to have more consistent punctuation, and also to hide the shameful fact I thought "snout" and "muzzle" were synonymous until I looked into it. Also wondering whether I should shift to a different publication day and if that suits my schedule better.
>>187373112
That pretty much sums it up.
I'm sad how a discussion can't be had without some people derailing it into immature ad-hominem attacks.
>>187373060
>Winks and shrugs at the player after telling jokes
>Overtly discusses the turn-based nature of combat in his "Special attack" and uses that mechanic against the player
>Steps out of the way of attacks, which nobody else does
>Is not only aware that the Player's character respawns, but fights with the strategy of breaking the PLAYER'S determination (i.e. you give up)
The real question is how were you so stupid you didn't catch any of that?
>>187372896
I kinda like this fish
https://www.amazon.com/Undertale-UNDYNE-Stuffed-Christmas-Children/dp/B06ZYWM9DP/
>>187360861
She has some fingers, but I don't think they define her.
>>187373418
>Assgore
>>187373112
>It's getting muddled but I think they're trying to argue that the in-game universe recognizes that it is set within a game?
Wait, there are people who don't think that? (haven't been paying attention, sorry)
>>187373112
>And other people are saying that meta elements like that can work in a game when used sparingly, but it ruins everything if pushed too hard
And that is why I hate shitty fanbases.
"I think such and such is bad narrative practice" is treated like its a valid argument for the game's canon.
After all, the game is PERFECT, right? So it couldn't POSSIBLY do something that people think is bad practice.
>>187373260
Once people start shrieking about canon, I tune them out. They're not interested in a discussion.
>>187373585
There is no discussion without an understanding of the facts of a narrative.
What you're talking about is a circle-jerk.
>>187373585
Fair enough, I think I should start doing that too.
Undertale's story is a type that's pretty open to interpretation, so a discussion about strict canon is bound to end badly.
The end message of the day is "everyone is free to have their own interpretation but not force it on others". That's how it should be, in my opinion.
>>187373534
I've been sitting here listening to fuckers talk about how "oh, Flowey just CALLS IT a 'save file', they don't really mean it cuz that would be stupid"
>>187373075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5clOwRmevk
>>187373860
/utg/ can be weirdly obtuse sometimes.
>>187373768
runaway fandom is a problem though
>>187373768
That attitude is how you get people inventing entire stories about how Chara was horribly abused, and Sans is probably like totally god or something, and every other thing that doesn't exist in the actual game.
"Canon" (including ambiguity that constitutes various "Valid interpretations") WILL BE formed, whether you like it or not. But if you don't put any effort into it, it just gets formed by retards who know the fanart better than the actual game.
>>187374052
Runaway fandom? What's that?
>>187373860
He could just be calling it the closest thing he has to a proper term, from maybe a videogame he played while still alive.
>>187374126
The fan works of undertale have bigger fanbase than undertale itself
>>187373768Yeah, basically. And even in media that has a much more defined world than Undertale, people can look at canon events and develop entirely different interpretations and conclusions. People that stomp their feet and scream at others for not sharing their 'pure' interpretation of canon are best off ignored.
>>187374126
I dunno, it ran away before I could get a good look at it.
>>187373860
Nobody wants to debate you because you're being a super agressive asshole
>>187373487
She's a kid, cut her a break
>>187374097
>That attitude is how you get people inventing entire stories about how Chara was horribly abused, and Sans is probably like totally god or something, and every other thing that doesn't exist in the actual game.
>"Canon" (including ambiguity that constitutes various "Valid interpretations") WILL BE formed, whether you like it or not.
I'm not even sure if that's your intention, but this sounds like you're arguing that fanon can become "canon", so long as there's enough people in support of it.
>>187374185
My point exactly.
>>187374172
Ah, you mean like the skeleverse?I suppose that can be a problem, but if people enjoy it, it's all good.
>>187374194
Saaaannnnsssss...!!
>>187374362
i mean, that's pretty close to what can happen
these days you have to remind people that "Chara" is a programming joke and not the Fallen Child's actual name
>>187374160
And in order to make that interpretation, you just wrote an entire story in your head about how Asriel played video games when he was little.
Of course you say that without realizing that you NOW need to write a whole separate story for why there are no video games in his house.
Presenting this kind of thing as a fact (which people are doing) is why I don't bother to be nice.
>>187372970
Yeah, they surprisingly did a great job.
>>187373390
The description for this always gets a laugh out of me.
>>187373390
>>187374479
>five nights at Undertale product
oh, boy...
>>187374240
Lol, grow a pair, snowflake.
You faggots get mad because I say shit that makes sense and fluffy, perfect head-canon can't stand up to that.
Aw shucks, have a Sunday Morning Sneak PeakOnce again those hazel eyes were an exact match. Those eyes had belonged to a tall young man, completely unfazed by the strange creatures he had met, even when meeting their King and knowing what was had planned for him.
The man spotted his quarry instantly - It would have been hard not to - and advanced towards them, sitting down at their booth.
"King Asgore." he said, tipping his head forward in a gesture of respect. "And you are Queen-? Oh! I'm sorry. Just Toriel these days, correct?"
Both of them were taken aback at his choice of address, but saw no reason to do anything but accept it graciously. The cat came over again, and took an order of black coffee.
"Professor Horatio Johansen." He offered a hand, which Asgore took.
"Oh. You are a teacher?" asked Toriel.
"Yes. At the university. I lecture on history."
Toriel nodded appreciatively. Asgore felt slightly comforted by the small talk, but resolved to get down to business.
"Erm, may I ask why you wanted to meet here?"
"I - Oh, coffee, thank you -" he took a sip "- I thought that was obvious. Darren Johansen was my Great-Great-Uncle."
The copper and purple eyes widened.
"And I am willing to discuss him." rallied Asgore. "I assume Mrs June sent you a letter offering a meeting?"
"She did," said Professer Johansen, "but I felt it would be much simpler if I dealt with it here."
Both monsters stiffened.
"I see." said Asgore, glancing at the apprehension smothering Toriel's face. "And... How do you wish to deal with it?"
"Like this."
>>187374548
That's nice, sweetie, but I think you'll find that no one here really cares what you think so why don't you just take your feet and just tip toe on out of here?
>>187374362
>this sounds like you're arguing that fanon can become "canon", so long as there's enough people in support of it.
That's exactly what happens if nobody with a rational brain pipes up and cites the source material.
Perception becomes reality.
>>187374648
That gif is super fucking cute and the filename makes it better
>>187374446
At the same time, there's a lot in this game that is missing backstory, therefore all but necessitating some added info behind it. Just stuff like Sans and Papyrus asserting themselves out of nowhere, how does essence work in monsters and humans, where did Gaster go and what happened to him beyond vague "experiment", what's the significance of Suzy, why does Clamgirl's dialogue change the photo in Sans' workshop and why into specifically that photo.
The other way around though, we're back to the usual argument of whether every single line the characters say is absolute truth, or if they're sometimes jesting or embellishing or talking about things they don't entirely understand. Like Papyrus, does he really smell like the moon, and what does the moon smell like?
The game's way too ambiguous for its own good, but getting mad over it and being an asshole to people where there's no clear answer, also doesn't solve anything.
>>187374656
>Snowflake resorting to Sweetie-posting
Ah, the last defense of ugly ham-planets. How quaint.
>>187374678
But seeing yourself as possessor of the one true knowlewdge of Undertale, watching all these unwashed masses languish in their ignorance is by no means a bit silly, right?
I know it was in the previous thread but
>>Asriel + Chara
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIG5hZNVYAEo15u.jpg:orig
Does anyone happen to have a source for this?
>>187374791
Listen honey, we don't like or want your kind around here so why don't you mowse on off back to /v/
>>187374719
>therefore all but necessitating some added info behind it.
No.
Finding a piece of information that at least SUGGESTS that XYZ is true is the difference between a fanboy asspull and a logical deduction.
And if there's no information, you accept ambiguity, or mark your fan-fiction as such.
Your logic is why people look at the True-Lab generator and say, "NOTHING TO SEE HERE" as if a lack of explanation makes that heart not exist.
>>187374678
>Perception becomes reality.
That kind of reminds me of Umineko, which plays with the concept of truth - if everyone acknowledges a lie as truth, it may as well be true.
It should be noted that the nature of that world and what really happened in that story is STILL up for debate, even when the author revealed the actual truth. And the theories I've heard can be nonsensical, but they can't really be disproved, either. That's why I personally believe keeping an open-minded 'all interpretations are okay to have' stance is for the best, because people will see differently, even if the author reveals 'their' truth.
>>187374446
All right, I'm not involved in this discussion but I'm trying to make sense of it all. And I don't like writing people off as trolls, despite your ridiculous tone.
You bring up the meta elements of the game.
People give their reasons for why they dislike that part of canon. They give their interpretations of it, which differ from yours.
You repeatedly insult them.
What do you want from this discussion?
>tfw someone is arguing something you mostly agree with but they're a huge asshole
>>187374823
My interpretation would change in a hot second if I was presented with new information, or even a plausible perspective I hadn't considered.
Inventing shit, or denying in-game elements because of one's feelings does not qualify.
At least when I'm online, I don't care if stupid people hate me for being smarter.
>>187374952
>Listen, Honey
Nope. You had your turn and used it to be an idiot. Go grab some ice cream or something.
>>187374976
I don't understand this kind of logic of seeing is believing. If something happens that doesn't look in line with what the rest of the game is telling-showing, of course you'd pretty much require an explanation for it.
Say if a character in a comic dies, and two issues later they appear in the team roster again, with zero explanation of why or how. The comic doesn't explain how this is possible and expects you to roll with it despite everything pointing to this being a mistake and it is never addressed later on. Your options are either to assume the writing has failed, or make up a convoluted explanation, like clones, how this could be possible.
So if you push that the generator contains Chara's, or another human's soul, that's either a plot hole or absolutely requires some explanation of how it got there, to make sense.
>>187375074
He seems legitimately autistic so probably best to not engage anyway.
>>187374932
https://twitter.com/kekeke0su/status/901205393547776000
>>187375280
Thank you!
>>187375000
It sounds like an asshole's opinion, but all interpretations are NOT okay. If somebody is just blatantly ignoring the source material, then you might as well be making up your own story.
When you have people who know less and are learning shit, its not okay to not mark fan-fiction as such.
>>187375391
And if the source material itself is confused on the matter?
>it was the idoit who kept trying to push the retarded Chara's soul is in the true lab despite that making zero sense meme
Holy shit dude your theory is garbage no wonder your so defensive
>>187375062
>They give their interpretations of it
Their interpretation is literally, "I don't like that, therefore it cannot be" without any actual explanation for how I might be misunderstanding the in-game content.
There is no reason to show respect to such stupidity.
>>187375391
What happens when the source material is rife with inconsistencies and contradictions? What if the creator of the source material has intentionally left things vague and open for interpretation? Should jokes and pop culture references be treated as canon facts and events?
>>187375557
Did Gaster vanish trying to find the Fourth Flavor?
>>187375391
I see...
I wouldn't say they're ignoring the source material - THAT would be called writing an original story. I would say they're putting their own unique spin on it, which there isn't anything wrong with at all.
I'm sorry you feel that way about interpretations, though.
>>187375669
>>187375653
The fact that anyone expects me to believe that Sans is more liable to parkour than Papyrus, that's the real insult in all of this
>>187375210
>Say if a character in a comic dies, and two issues later they appear in the team roster again, with zero explanation of why or how.
This is the emotional argument.
Just because something is shitty doesn't mean it isn't so.
To assume such is to try to pretend that Undertale is flawless.
The logic literally becomes, "I don't like that, so my favorite perfect thing couldn't POSSIBLY do it"
That shit is not an argument.
>>187375653
>Sans leaps off a building into a haystack
>dusts upon impact
>>187375770
>plot holes are emotional arguments
Are you fucking retarded?
>>187375730
There seems to be more art of her in her normal armor lately, though still not enough.
>>187375861
I wanna fuck that bunclops
>>187375771
>Sans leaps off a building into a haystack
>Instantly falls asleep
>>187375458
If there are actual contradictions then the options are to reconcile them or acknowledge ambiguity.
I've never seen a fanbase that doesn't have huge problems with ambiguity/mystery, but sometimes "I don't know" is the truth.
>>187375074
Yeah, I also didn't bother to be nice because these threads are full of pussy snowflakes who won't back up people they agree with.
>>187375834
He thinks that Toriel and Asgore just forgot about Charas soul after Asriel died and let it wonder off.
Yes, he is
>>187375872
You've seen this one already, right?
>>187375834
Uhhh, no, you fucking idiot/prick. Try reading.
DENYING a plothole because you're a mindless defender of the source material is the emotional argument.
>>187375891
What if she's already married?
>>187375589
>>187375770
...People recognize that Undertale has flaws. The way the meta elements are implemented within the story would be one of those flaws. That's what people have been trying to explain to you this entire time, what they dislike, why they dislike it, and how they try to reconcile those flawed, vague ideas through their interpretations of canon. Do you understand?
>>187375861
I don't know if the artist had this in mind, but that Gaster Blaster isn't intimidating. It has a cute smile on it's face.
>>187375936
see
>>187375915
Oh look, its that faggot who spazzes out any time there's a mystery or ambiguity.
You literally have autism. Spare me your tiresome shit.
>>187376036
That does not factor into my desires.
>>187376028
>DENYING a plothole because you're a mindless defender of the source material is the emotional argument.
If I'm a mindless defender of the source material, I would consider it not a plot hole, despite everything pointing to the direction that it is.
Which is what you're doing, if you completely believe that's Chara or some other human's soul. Do you not understand your own words?
This thread reminds me of older /utg/ with people having an intense argument over something while other people are just image posting or doing whatever.
I like it.
>>187376072
>People recognize that Undertale has flaws.
They might say that, but they obviously don't in practice when they're literally arguing "That cannot be so because it would be a FLAW".
>>187375983
I had not. Thanks, fishfriend.
row row row your gote
>>187376150The atmosphere really does feel that way. I'm struggling not to write embarrassing greentexts.
>>187376218
Any time!
>>187376290
that picture is kinda sad. he's isolated and struggling
>>187376357
poor kid
>>187376293Do eeeeet
>>187376357
Yeah, but he's got that D-word all over his face.
>>187376452
D-Word makes sad stories into triumphant ones
Why is Frisk so booby?
If your fave (excluding Undyne, because she already has her Undyne the Undying form) had a 'Super Mode' they could use in a pinch, what would it look like?
>>187376868
Athough I like the idea that if Asgore had a super form based on his ideal self it would just be his normal self but a little less fat and with a bit thicker hair
>>187376868
>>187377027
Undermanga, when?
>>187376868
I can't imagine her fighting normally, but something like this maybe.
Would you still love Asgore if he was really DEVILMAN?
>>187376971
Makes sense.
>>187377027
That fits with the 'hero' look Papyrus is going for.Maybe he also had help with costume design from Undyne and Alphys.
>>187377182
That's pretty cool!
Would it fight more like a super robot or real robot?
>>187377365
>Would it fight more like a super robot or real robot?From the kind of anime it sounds like she shows Undyne, almost definitely super. Reals also require a lot more reflexes and actual combat skills that I doubt she has.
>>187377182
>>187377636
Not completely outside the realm of possibility, I guess.
>>187378149
kyoot
>>187379464
>>187379637
didn't mean to quote that whoops
>>187379810
Figured
also holy shit I have no art of edgeriel with Asgore. How did that happen
>>187379895
I love these goats
>>187379895
It's pretty rare.
>>187380048
They're pretty good
Would you still love your fave if they were 8 and they hurt themselves trying to pull a stunt they saw on TV
>>187362652
Frick is a dog now.
A fair bit more Edgeriel with Toriel than Asgore
Here's Underfell version
>>187381079
Of course! I wouldn't put it past him.
>>187381289
They should fuck
>>187381289
That is a very dubious looking comforting desu
>>187381079
Yes, I'd teach them not to do that again and take care of them.
did stingray died
>>187381368
He's grabbing her arm, has a calm serene smile on his face while she looks tormented with tears in her eyes. That seemed comforting to me.
Here he is with Asgore being not so comforting.
>>187381716
Yes. You killed them, don't you remember?
>>187381749
Whoops I am dumb, here it is.
>>187381982
Pumpkin really made Underfell actually worthwhile
Are you going to be messaging old contentfags to come back for the anniversary, anon?
>>187382082
Has anyone actually penned an ending to Underfell beyond the Pacifist Asgore fight video?
>>187382181I'm too shy
>>187382234
some contentfags here liked Underfell, but I don't know if any fics, games or art came out of it
I should buy a goat
>>187382434
goats are not real
>>187382434
a goat what?
>>187382586
A goat soul to give toSRITR
>>187382586
a goat with the power.
>>187381982
>>187382745
This is cuteI thought UF Asriel was a lil shit until he became Flowey and had all the nasty impulses bullied out of him until Frisk came along. Did Pumpkin disagree?
>>187382263
who would you like to see back?
>>187382841
I don't think Pumpkin had a conclusive storyline for Underfell thought out. I think she just took requests for things that other people wanted to see.
>>187382904
Fair enough.
time for the edgiest dad
>>187383068
Spicy Goat
>>187383196
I want this spicy goat to stab me
Ex-Ex-Goat being X-Goat
>>187345387
>there's absolutely no reason to think he won't become a psycho-killer again eventually
He originally became a psycho-killer for two reasons:
- He ran out of other interesting things to do
- He was completely safe from consequences
Neither are likely to apply on the surface.
Before he became a psycho-killer he spent a lot of time doing benign stuff.
>>187383242
>>187383915
non-edgy edge dadgoat!
>>187383967
Dunno about this specific interpretation, but I like the thrust of it. Or how in the fight video I think his reasoning is "I'm already damned by what I've done, I might as well commit to it fully", and winning is getting him to reconsider.
Evil for Evil's sake has a limited shelf life.
>>187384649
It was done by fatz. He did the entire cast also I was lying
This is literally the most edgy dad. I dare you try and find one more edgy because it can't be done
>>187384689
His son can be even edgier!
>>187384849
That's just inappropriate
>>187384689
>>187384649
this one looks pretty cool, I just wish I knew where it's from
>>187385880
Its from an Underfell manga. That was literally the last page though and there hasn't been a new one (yet!)
>>187385919
anywhere I can find it?
>>187386703
I swear an imgur was posted here a few times but I just looked through the archive and found nothing
Gordon now truly understands what it's like to not get a happy ending
>>187387093
I fucking hate people who buy doujins and then refuse to share them with us
>>187388410
The thing is I swear that it was shared but now I can't find it
>>187388014
Is it weird that I was actually sad over this despite the fact that I hadn't cared about Half Life in years? I guess a part of me always held out for my favorite childhood FPS to be finished
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLyJP_nH5Cs
>>187388410
Some people don't own a scanner, or don't want to ruin the binding on their doujinshi, or don't have the time to scan things, or they respect the artists' wishes not to share their work.
I'm more upset about the doujinshi we never had a chance to purchase. So much Korean artwork...
>>187388801
undertale is niche enough that getting any doujin is lucky, so not sharing it really just looks like being a greedy fuck who wants to show off
>I'm more upset about the doujinshi we never had a chance to purchase. So much Korean artwork...
fucking hell, what else did we miss out on
>>187389250
>undertale is niche
Its had THREE Asian only cons literally just about it
FUCKING THREE
>>187389250
Japan has had two Undertale cons, Korea had one as well. They were packed with comics, posters, keychains, etc. I had an image saved showing someone's haul from the Korean con, but I can't find it right now.
>>187389592
who else is on your ask list/
>>187389698
if I could find them on the internet, Motif and Tacitly.
And Jelly
Frisk getting heavily pregnant and Chara panicking because they don't know how to be a dad!
Chara having to see Asgore and learning how to manage a family!
Asgore and Toriel being so happy to be grandparents because Asriel is gay!
>>187389862
>Teenage pregnancy
>>187390058
When did I say that?
>>187390058
They're royalty
>>187389796
ohi was hoping for more
>>187390179
Frick wasn't my first or fifth or tenth choice but he has an easily accessible twitter/tumblr
>>187390308
any luck ofgeek, soapmonster or croc? theyre all in the same friend group
>>187390364
I don't like Geek or Croc and I don't know who Soapmonster is so
>>187390417
>I don't like Geek or Crocwew
>>187390482
Croc's a shit writer and I hate Geek's art style and attention whoring. Same reason I don't really care for Frick or Crybleat
lets not have contentfag drama over contentfags who doesn't even post here anymore
>>187390676
If the guy is gonna meme arrow me over why I don't like someone, I'm gonna tell him.
Just gonna deliver a neutral reminder of who soapmonster is
He also drew a titfuck animation
>>187391136
Ew.
>>187389687
I think Korea had something called 'We Love Frisk' but it must have been very small.
>>187390570
agreed, I would prefer artfags in general anyway, most of the old writefags weren't anything special or memorable
Night
>>187391386
G'night anon.
>>187390364
who else is in this cabal?
>>187391601
uh broba and doogle I think?
>>187391640
holy shit that is a cabal of cancer
>>187391735
they all made cute stuff
I woke up and couldn't breathe
Good morning /utg/
>>187391792
good morning, asthma.
>>187391792
I normally don't like edits, but this is one case I think it improved the art immensely
What if undyne was the main character of initial d?
>>187391776
they were also all tremendously annoying with the exception of broba
>>187391832
I don't have asthma.
>>187391862
Yeah, tumblr thinks self harm is deep for characters, but in reality it's usually only used as a cheap prop to symbolize a troubled past without having to go into detail about their past or why it was troubled. Kinda a "trust me they had a shitty life" handwave.
>>187389698
can you add dfanon, caribun, milka, motif, sketch and actanon to that list?
bring back pumpkin
>>187392023
The absolute low point I've seen of that is when they got collectively mad at a tumblr that was collecting all these selfharm pics, and they accusation that they didn't take the topic seriously, that in retaliation they drew a 10-20 artist collage of various Charas flipping off the blog, all covered in various selfharm scars
shit was like something out the twilight zone
poor gaster just wants to get with today's youth
>>187393190
>music band
Just go home Gaster
lewds when?
>>187393310
What flavor of gay do you prefer?
>>187393310
watching lewds?
>>187393310
Chara's cute mutilated genitals!
>>187393538
the not gay one
>>187393698
what if they look at lewds of us sometimes?
>>187393839
Sorry chief, I've only got the gay stuff.
>>187391136
Post it pls
>>187394158
go to e621
>2017
>Still no art of Shyren lifting Blooky's blook and eating out their soul
>>187395485
What makes you think Blooky even has a blook
when do the undertales become real and fuck me
>>187395698
If you're a cute girl all the monster girls are on their way to your house right now
>>187393310
https://e-hentai.org/g/1106658/79ed097553/
>Frisk went to visit Undyne and she told him Alphys and her are getting married. Frisk confessed on the spot which led to some complications and Frisk leaving early. A few days later Frisk ran into Undyne while on official business at goat mom's school. Pity sex ensues. Frisk finally feels like he can let go and congratulate Undyne on getting married, satisfied just by seeing her happy.
>>187396270
>pity sex
>with this stud
>taking Alphys over Frisk
Truly the worst taste.
>>187396270
Why would Undyne ever give the time of day for someone weak-willed enough to only confess years and years after it's too late
Flower!!
>>187397105
Flower's super form!
If the character you control is Frisk, and the first fallen child is Chara, who are you naming at the start?
>>187397408
secondaries get out
>>187397408
Chara.
>>187397227
Used to be his regular form tho!
>>187397408Ninten
why is he so cool
>>187398143
He spent a lot of time in Snowdin trying to manipulate Papyrus.
Gotta warm him up.
Anyone else wanna just... Take their favorite's tiny monster body and bend them over a table and take them on a one-way trip to frisko town?
>>187399143
I'm gonna tell her she was late and the pizzas are free! She's gonna lose her job and cry!
>>187399295
Thanks for the Red!
Frisk writing checks Asriel can't cash in Growth Spurt
>>187398257
best characters
Does anyone have a larger version of this, or larger, separate images for each amalgamate? Or the artist's name?
>>187400260
One and three to me
Would you go swimming with Chara?
>>187400583
Probably not, but if compelled I might be able to get away while they clutch that dagger and ruin their technique.
>>187400874
good taste
>>187400583
yup, sounds like a good time! i still havent gone to the beach yet this year.
>>187403586
I expected them to "Fus-Shun-HA".
Damnit I haven't even watched DBZ in years.
>>187403963
>>187404369
He has hair now. Just what he always wanted.
Although we do not need them to combine into one super-aggressive "friend". *shudders*
>>187404369
Do you think Undyne masturbates to Spongebob Squarepants?
>>187404369
So did anybody else get a sexual vibe from Undyne calling Papyrus's training "ultra-private" or whatever?
I was sure they wereboningwhen I first played.
>>187405294
It's just a setup for the "and I brought a friend" line.
>>187405294
I thought the same thing
Also that whole microwaving a popsicle thing,but that might have been literal considering they're both pretty dumb
>>187403096
Same here, I've been locked in an office for the better part of the entire summer
>>187405162
No, either something much manlier or something extremely girly
but it has to be either or
>>187405848
It still is.
>>187406501
kiddo...
>>187391136
neat
>>187394334
Post a link to it then
>>187400583
I've seen Sleepway Camp. I know how this ends.
>>187405848
>>187406501
>>187406763
I can't get the sound of Gaster Blasters out of my head.
>>187406763
I don't care. If I must use a shitty typeface, I'd rather use Comic Neue. Its a lot more clean, for one.
>>187407801 >>187406763
Also you realize that he'd more likely say something like "yeah, i know, pap is cooler."
Jumping the gun like that just makes no sanse.
>>187408107
Comic Neue was created 2014 and Comic Sans was created 1994. While Comic Neue might be cleaner Sans is more easier to read.
Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUCcObwIsOs&t=439s
Flower crowns!
>>187411135
>>187411135
Using goat ears as hats.
Going to post this image that is completely uncontroversial
>>187412940
That Frisk is way too yellow, you fucking racist
>>187396539
She can't help the fact that she has a fat fetish.
If the son of the King and Queen of the Underground was instead called Togore, do you think he'd be more self confident? Maybe even recognise what was wrong with his sibling?
>>187415015
Probably. Giving him the suffix "riel" pretty much destined him for being a little pussy bitchboi
>>187415015
>>187415149
he also would have turned into a Bara though, because names work like that
>>187415380
And with a full beard at such a young age, too
Never done a genocide run before. Does "one left" mean the boss or is there one guy hiding somewhere?
>>187415578
One guy left to grind.
>>187411135
I wonder if Chara liked those.
>>187415578
One left means one monster left to kill. After that it should say "Determination" and then you just wait for the "But nobody came" message. Then you're good.I'm glad you're taking this next step anon. You won't regret it.
>>187417180
>You won't regret it.
Speak for yourself.
>>187349783
It's not about believing the spider is cute, but about knowing it! I know the spider is cute and wish to share this knowledge with everyone so they can also love the spider! You're the only one who still refuses the truth!
>>187417451
Edgelord detected.
fish and boy
>>187415578
Make sure to give regular updates on your progress, partner.
>>187417736
Anon, >>187417180 said they won't regret it, whereas >>187417451 asserted they will regret genocide. Regretting murder is the opposite of edgelord.
Why doesn't the Underground have any Moogles
Visual Roll Call!
Father and Son! (And Papyrus)
>>187418001
I dunno anon, it seems pretty edgy to go through all the trouble of murdering everyone just to regret it afterwards. Like, shit, make up your mind already.
>>187417909
Look, I completely support you in genocide being your favorite ending, that's totally cool, I'd rather we didn't encourage step-by-step 2deep4u spammings of genocide, or any other route.
>>187418174
>regret is edgy
Fuck me, I think I'm in the Berenstain world again
I ship this.
>>187418097
Doodle Flowey anon here.
>>187418174
I did make up my mind.
That's why I spent like, an hour figuring out how to wipe the genocide files from the steam cloud.
Now the only record of my sins is on my soul.
>>187418097
Mettaton
>>187418356
i ship this
>>187418579
>Now neither of us will be virgins!
>>187418097
Sciencefriends and flower
>>187418329
Don't you mean Berenstein?
>>187418097
I usually write things but I'll submit one of my drawings
>>187418404
Oh cool. You doodle good flowers
>>187418765
This reminded me of something.
Doesn't Chara/Frisk eat like, a ton of shit that isn't actually edible?
Like, "hot dogs" made out of water sausage and glamburgers made of glue.
There's also that one monster who tells you about different human digestion is from monsters, which kinda makes me question what even the Cinnemon Bunnies are made of.
>>187419195
Monster Food is made out of magic and absorbed entirely, which is why it immediately heals you and probably why stuff like glue and sequins are edible.
Flowey is best boy.
Not just in UT, but in general.
>>187419195
The food they make literally poofs into pure energy the second you eat it. What they make their food of doesn't matter. Hell, a cut item is "rock candy", a literal fucking rock that someone picked up off the ground and said "its food now".
>>187418179
Oh, come on, anon. Let's have some fun.
>>187418579
I think there's a chinese doujin with these two
Is the lizard whore a kiddo?
>>187419580
Sorry man, fun's fun and the genocide run has some fun battles (even if the rest is exceedingly tedious), but I just found those really-really obnoxious
>>187419195
Monster food immediately converts to energy upon consumption. So even if it isn't "edible" it doesn't last very long anyway.Which kinda makes me wonder what'd happen if Frisk decided to start eating monsters.
>>187419360
>>187419489
I mean, that would make sense, but is it said anywhere in the game?
Cuz my train of thought is more like "Chara/Frisk can eat random shit because she's a resurrected corpse/ reincarnation of a literal demon/ different from humans in some other way"
>>187419605
I want that.
>>187419827
They talk about human food and how weird it is because it just sits in your stomach. Implies that their food doesn't.
>>187419769
>even if the rest is exceedingly tedious
I disagree. Going through the game normally takes longer. Just space out for 10 or so minutes and you're done. Oh, and don't do all your grinding at once. Look for the areas that have the most monsters per encounter. That's why the CORE is probably the easiest place to do it despite needing 40 kills to proceed.
>>187419827
I don't think that really works unless you find something that applies to all fallen humans. Monster anatomy and human anatomy are probably just compatible enough for the same food.
>>187419827
>she
If I recall right, the monster with a big mouth in Grillby's mentions monster food and human food being different, and considers if human food would pass through it like a human eating human food, implying it's more about the food specifically than their digestive process.
>>187419827
I'm pretty sure someone in Grillby's bar basically spells it out.
If that's not how it worked, random monsters wouldn't eat these either.
>>187419827
>I mean, that would make sense, but is it said anywhere in the game?
Grillby's. Talk to the weird monster with the giant mouth twice. I think it happens after entering Waterfall since everyone's dialogue changes after you fight Papyrus.
>>187420053
I wonder if monsters have anuses from the times when they used to live alongside humans and shared the same food. They started making food with magic because you can't really grow crops or raise livestock in a place with no sunlight.
What I'm getting at is would it be possible to fuck a monster in the ass?
>>187419995
Yeah, but I'm still basically repeated battles and doing the murder dance over and over and over again just to accomplish the goal. It gets tedious really fast, even if there are optimized ways of doing it.
Then again, I dislike grinding in general, in almost all of its forms anyway.
>>187420113
>"Tobias = The goodness of god."
... Yep.
>"Tobias, with the help of the angel Raphael, is able to drive away a demon who has plagued Sarah, who subsequently becomes his wife."
... uuuh.
>>187419152
Thank you, anon!
Last for what should have been
>>187420318
>and doing the murder dance over and over and over again
Can't do it on consoles, and even then it doesn't take very long. Just get good at the rhythms and it's a breeze. The most tedious aspect is the reduced encounter rates as you kill more monsters.
Genocide is honestly kinda relaxing. But then again I don't really mind grinding in small doses in regular games. I remember how long it'd take to farm up enough souls in DaS1 to reach SL 120 for PvP. I'm used to this kinda thing. Undertale by comparison is a breeze.
If monster food becomes energy instantly how do monsters get the nutrients necessary to make cum with which to impregnate other monsters
>>187420542
Hey look he's still wearing a dress.
>>187420648
Magic.
>>187420648
>how do monsters get nutrients
Their bodies are literally Magic with enough Matter to hold a shape. All they need is stuff to eat to maintain their energy-levels.
>>187420557
Yeah, I'm sure it becomes just second nature after a while, I just found it really tedious and boring. Sure, I still wanted to get to the end, but I took multiple breaks in-between because the prospect of "yep, another X monsters" just got really tiring after a while. Probably why I never tried games like Disgaea and such.
>>187420557
does it work with stick and pad at the same time?
>>187420925
The only thing that got me to take a break was Sans, and that's because it took me days on-and-off to kill him. Everything else I did in a single day.
>>187421157
I don't think so. I tried multiple combinations but nothing worked. It's not a big deal, though. Just run around in circles - it accomplishes the same thing for the most part.
>>187389796jelly is in the /utg/ discord fyi