/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

>want to play mill rogue
>no Valeera the Hollow
;_;

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>>187241491

So fucking fun

>>187241665
fffuck come on dude I don't have the dust for her

>>187241665
>casual

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What are the essential DKs for fun and progression?
Not interested in adding to mage cancer

>>187242005
Druid and Priest are the most played ones above Rank 5

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Alright boys, how do I do it? I don't own Naxx.

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>>187241853

I have zero intention of playing mill on high ranked where theres 50% druids, chilling on casual is a lot better

>>187241840

I wouldn't say she's essential, but god damn, just multiplying your cards is so satisfying

>>187242127
Patron, Frothing Berserker and a shitton of whirlwind effects

If you play your cards right, your Frothings are gonna go up to 30 damage per guy and it's all smooth sailing from there

why was the other thread deleted?

>>187242263
because it was made by P*ssado

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>>187241207
>play Hearthstone for the first time in months
>queue first game in wild
>golden Warlock playing handlock
>at rank 25
Is there some sort of hidden MMR in Hearthstone other than your rank? I thought I was going to play against people who're just starting the game.

Still won the game with my dragon Priest

>>187242005
People claim the Hunter DK to be fun and interesting but I don't see it, and the Shaman DK is too gimmicky and only really excels in one deck

The Druid and Priest DKs are the best ones for winning and progressing up the ladder in general

A case could also be made for the Paladin and Warlock DKs too, since they are reasonably strong, though not auto-includes

The rest are shit-tier since they have no place in that class's dominant deck

>>187242456
>who're just starting the game.
there's not a lot of new players

When is the next expansion?

>>187242245
Alright I try something like that. I've crafted a few cards from Naxx (like Death's Bite) but I'm not going to craft KT.

>>187242624
December

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>>187242592
Ouch, that's kind of sad.

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coolest lego in this expansion(beside A.F. Kay)

is this game dying?

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how are you faring against the king, lads?
>mage
kabal lackey + counterspell, then elemental DK

>priest
just a regular wild control DK with SW:Horror

>rogue
reno taunts, and I got Hadronox from one of his skeletal knights

>druid
taunt druid

beating the fucker with paladin and warrior looks grim

you fucking liars. there's no paladin bug with LK. he just face tanks with frostmorne and summons tirion on his side, losing me the game

>>187243171
got my pack and got out.

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>>187241491
Here's mine. I don't deny Valeera would make it better, but it's still pretty fun.

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>>187243171
>mage
kabal lackey + counterspell, then control mage with DK

>priest
murlock

>rogue
Only murlock + spells(LK destroy spells so you draw only murlocks)

>druid

standard Jade from ladder, it is so op it can beat LK

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I usually don't like to complain, but I'm going to vent here for a moment.

I lost to the Final Boss Exodia Mage who pulled four Ice Blocks on me. I'm pretty shaken up about it, especially cos I was able to get him down to 1 HP, but games are games. I've lost a few after that and though I retain Rank 1, I think my game is totally off because of my mojo.

Just remember anons, no matter how bad a Mage or a Druid gets you, there's something far more important and beautiful than a dumb number you have in a card game.

Love you /hsg/.

>>187243171
I beat him with dragon priest then decided it wasn't worth it to spend hours trying to get a shitty portrait. I'd be better off taking an hour of overtime at work and spending the money buying two portraits.

what makes it easier to kill LK as a mage, counterspell or mana bind?

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>>187243054
>This last act of sacrifice... is mine.

They gave Bolvar a great entry music, his voicelines are amazing and the art is fucking incredible (especially in gold!) but they just couldn't make him a great card, could they...

>>187242245
both frothings in the bottom 6 cards on the first attempt. Love it.

I'm THIS close to building a playable casual quest paladin. Should I craft tyrant Mukla for it? Also, is King Mukla good in mill rogue?

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Jade druids can go eat a dick.

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Dude like so epikk Barnes stories woah! dude liek RNG and shiet rite? XDD lmao rofl keked

>>187243758
this
I am so mad, the best lego from expansion is unplayable

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>>187243849
TONIGHT, A TALE OF WONDER AND MAJESTY

>>187243849
someone discovered big priest

Okay, how am I supposed to do the Paladin challenge without stuff like war leaders and megasaurs? I don't play murloc decks and I'm not blowing 800 dust just to beat this

>>187243890
I think he's pretty good in Wild Dude Pally.

>>187244052
do you have tirion? There's an exploit with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSd0TlD9Tmk

So Arthas has no special interactions? Nothing with Uther or Jaina, or anyone else that I know. Not even the same voice actor.
Lame.

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Remember me?

>>187244116
Nope. Paladin is one of the few classes I haven't invested in. Though I heard it can be done with zero attack taunts as well. So maybe shieldbearer will work?

>>187244129
I just wished he stopped talking and just play so I can reset faster

>>187244190
No

>>187244190
>make a new mechanic
>all the cards that use it are terrible outside of arena
>huh, for some reason no one likes this mechanic, I guess we'll never use it again
RIP
JUST PRINT GOOD CARDS WITH IT YOU NIGGERS

>>187242127
stubborn gastropod x2
alarm o bot x2
big minions x26

mulligan for stubborn gastropod and alarm o bot

>>187244056
>wild

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>>187244197
Worth a shot I suppose. I saw someone do it last night with a straight aggro list, I saved it before I went to sleep last night.

>>187244320
>Make new mechanic discover
>People like it
>People hate rng
>Let's replace rng cards with discover in future people will never know

>>187244509
>Battlecry: reveal a minion in each deck. If yours costs more, gain Inspire: Discover a card with Discover

>>187244056
>I think he's pretty good in Wild Dude Pally.
This. I play him in a wild midrange deck, and he does pretty well even if he only ever activates the attack boost off himself.

>>187244330
that sounds bad

>>187243849
t. fledgling player

How do I beat the lich king with druid? I can never get out jades enough and can't contest or clear the spirits turn 7

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>>187244197
Cheese him with Majordomo.

>>187244841
Meanwhile I have arthas and you don't

https://www.twitch
.tv/hysteriahs
anyone else staying up for the full 60 hours?

>>187244871
have Spreading Plague in hand on turn 6

>>187244871
ramp

>>187244897
I'm trying it, but after he got through gastropod he just killed my alarm-o-bot

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I was about to craft Sunkeeper Tarim, I even undid the crafting and bought 15 packs on a whim before I'd throw in the towel.

BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

>>187244509
>release a new, fun mechanic with little controlled rng
>players unanimously love the new mechanic
>fail to grasp why people liked it
>run it to the ground by printing stupidly overpowered rng cards for several expansions in a row until players are begging you to stop
Nice.

>>187244190
Never seen you before in my life.

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feels fucking good

I didn't think my Big Warrior and Reno Hunter would make it but after hours of experimenting, changing shit and reseting games they fucking did it

Paladin was hard too until I switched to DK Uther combo.

>>187245692
can I have your warrior decklist?

>>187243171
F2Player here
I have mage and lock and I'll be done.

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>>187245763
I just noticed that I forgot to put N'zoth in, guess you can take Rotface out for him

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>>187245763
I'm not that guy but I got him 1st try with that list
I don't have dead man's so I used blood warrior.
Grommash is here for the oliberate bait, but I didn't even need him at all, I just played one bersek with grims and kept the other one until my actual bersek dies.

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Alright I think this is the run

>>187243171
Heres what I did

>Warlock/pally/mage/shaman
All variations of murlocs, handbuff for pally, included a frost armour for mage.

>priest
standard dragonpriest deck.

>warrior
I abused patron zerkers

>hunter
snowballed a hyena with a bunch of damage spells

>druid
jade.

>rogue
pirate with weapons

I did all of them fairly quickly except warrior which literally took me 4 hours of trying different decks, and I spend about 3 hours trying to make exodia mage work then I got it second try with murlocs. Guess Im just retarded.

I used only cheap decks except priest I guess

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>>187246731

>>187246934
I drew a gastropod and the bot pulled that instead :^)

>aggro druid
>token druid
>jade druid

Covers all the meta.

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>>187243171
>mage
Old exodia deck with kabal lackey + counterspel turn 1
>druid
Taunt deck without hadranox.
>warlock
renolock, pretty easy
>shaman
after failing with evolve shaman I beat him first time with murlocs
>warrior
kel'thuzad public defender exploit
>priest
budget buff deck
>rogue
mech rogue
>paladin
tirion exploit
>hunter
allycat hyena fledgling highroll

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>>187244116
Thank you anon, I've been stuck forever.

>>187243171
>mage
reno elemental

>druid
jade

>warlock
renolock

>shaman
murlocs

>warrior
big warrior

>priest
big priest

>rogue
jade

>paladin
uther combo

>hunter
reno hunter

>>187244871
Use this list anon, way more consistent.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/917810-budget-lich-king-remover

By adding a bunch of 1 drops you will have 1/3 of your deck destroyed, which helps a lot in getting the big jade train going.

Personally, I removed two 1 drops and added Reno Jackson + 1 Tree of Life.

>>187247490
no problem my man. It's a very strange one that I don't think anyone expected.

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>>187243171
> Mage
Chakki list with few edits
> Hunter
Molten + hyena
> Rogue
Chakki's list
> Paladin
Accidentaly did the frostmourne exploit (not the tirion exploit)
> Warrior
Patron
> Warlock
Renolock DK
> Shaman
Aggro shaman without evolution, only devolve
> Priest
Big rez Barnes
> Druid
Astral druid

What's the standard deck to play if you're both a hipster and a tryhard?

>>187243171
Beat a good amount of them but I'm getting stuck now.

>Druid
Didn't even know what the lich king did, just queued with jade druid from last season and stalled out until I could go infinite with jades and 1 shot him

>Priest
Divine spirit+Inner fire deck

>Warrior
Patron+Berserker and whirlwind effects

>Hunter
Scavenging hyena aggro, with ~13 creatures so you don't die

>Rogue
Aggro, lots of 1s and 2s and flappy bird

>Warlock
Actually used the warlock quest to win. Didn't even have reno. Only dupe was lakkari felhound and malchezaar's imp. Got lucky with discards and a t1 malchezaars imp


I have shit all for evolve, or murlocs, or pally legendaries, same for mage. Not sure how I'm going to win with these. My wild card pool is limited too.

>>187248203
Deathstalker Midrange Hunter

Did I miss something or why does reynad only have 700 viewers?

>>187248038
Could be intentional in some way?
He said he would "leave him alive" to witness.

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heh, nothin' personnel kid

>>187248328

Did his stream just start?

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>>187248417
surely I can't be the only one to have came up with this

will hunter ever be t1 again lads
will they ever stop forcing deathrattle agro decks

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>>187248301
>hunter
>tryhard

>>187248996
probably eventually
no

>>187248996
I really think we are so close to a good control hunter deck, between tracking and stitched tracker Hunter has a lot of ways for searching for specific cards right now.

>for lordaeron!
>start throwing out murlocs
???

>>187248996
control hunter is already viable. it just needs a few broken cards to get it there

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>>187244116

I've only drawn tirion once out of the 100 or so cards i've drawn trying to get this shit to work.

Hahahah I hit rank 5 for the first time today with murloc paly. Thank you all for your support and advice on not how to be a shitter.

>>187249253
what do you run? all their cards excepts the secrets scream "hit face" to me

>>187248996
While it would benefit me since I'm poor, I don't want "me go face" to be a t1 deck.

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Everything about hunter is so shit but my favourite meme is doing mana efficient plays

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I would be happy to never see another glacial shard or that fucking 2/3 ever again

>>187244129
When you play the 1/1 penguin he says "i just... love him" but doesent give a shit about champions.

>>187249572
You actually use the penguin? Do you also run timber wolf? Don't you run out of cards too quickly?

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>>187241207

Is there any cheap tricks that can be used to beat Lich King with Rogue?

Like warriors have Kel'Thuzad + Public Defender bug, Paladins have the Tirion bug, Druids can fill their Jade deck with a bunch of 1 drops for deck thinning.

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>>187249581
>ICE TO MEET YOU
>WINTER IS HERE... AND IT'S COLD!
>HOW LONG CAN THIS GO ON?
>*WATER ELEMENTAL NOISES*

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>>187249581
watch your tone with me boy. you may be the waiter but i'm still your superior as a chef

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>>187249764
Every hunter deck runs out of cards to quickly, I'm just trying to highroll games by using penguin as a pseudo innervate to activate my cards, this is an old list I was using. Timber wolf is probably the highest power curve card hunter has right now so I should probably be trying to cheese people with timberwolf unleash

>>187249238
I love me some murlocs and have played pally murloc ever since TgT when murloc knight came out. But my god I'm so sick of it now. It was a fun thing to try and make work but then blizzard had to make it cancer by printing rockpool.

I can't wait for that shit to rotate, until it does paladin will be nothing but murlocs.

what is the most braindead class and why is it hunter?

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>>187250551
I agree 100% my friend

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>>187250551
friendly reminder that mage exists, they can completely ignore board because math is hard

>>187250551
2014 called, they want their "class that everyone complains about" back
druid is the new hotness

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>>187250881
dont let it happen again

>>187249154
What hunter needs is a minion aoe like druid just got. Unleash the hounds doesn't cut many lists now

>>187250551

>not pirate warrior

>>187250267
How about knife juggler, that could be ridiculous with all the minions your secrets spew out

>>187250125

idk breh I threw together a dick with skelemancers and they carried

>>187250125
>>187251616
Nevermind, I just made a regular murloc deck and filled my deck with 10 spells. Managed to kill him by turn 6.

Used this guys list, http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/919021-lich-king-1st-try-cheep

>token druid at rank 18
>He spends the first 6 turns roping
>Plays ui at turn 7 and finally starts playing normally
>Manage to beat him because I ignored the thought of getting plagued and he didn't draw one

Fuck druid players Jesus christ

>>187243171
Only hunter left, the rest were relatively easy. Mage, priest, rogue, and shaman were all done on the first try. Mage was absolutely trivial, he never even hit my face and I killed him on turn five after a continuous barrage from two flamewakers. Didn't even netdeck. He's been smashing my ass to make up for it though.

I still can't beat Lich King as Warrior and I don't have KT help

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I don't have many legendaries and I'm sitting on 600 dust. What are some fun decks besides jade druid that I can build with those?

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>>187251216
Is Alleria married to Rhonin or Turalyon? All the Windrunner girls are huge whore and look/act the same so I get them mixed up...

>Play 50 class cards
>make a dump your hand aggro deck
>opponents are all retards who take 30 seconds per turn

where the fuck is my blitz mode Brode you lazy cunt.

>>187252081
I dont know anything about the lore, I only play hearthstone never played WoW. It seems like a very addictive game, and I get addicted really easily.

Do like the windrunners art

>>187252046
deadmanshand warrior ,evolve shaman, discardlock/quest memes with howlfiend

Thief Priest:
The class that can copy everyone's decks and win games.
Priest is good.

>>187252178
Are HS players retarded? I take maybe ~15 sec a most per turn and have a good winrate, but all my opponents rope every turn. Very annoying...

>>187252081
She and Turalyon have a son, they left him behind and went full on demon slaying in space

Is it even possible for the meta to balance itself this time? Is there some secret deck that nobody knows yet that will shit all over druid or are we really at the point where druids absolute worst matchup is only 50/50?

Is aggro druid essentially Hunter without the weaknesses of Hunter?

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>>187252717
I've had a lot of success with this dick, famalam, currently on a 7 win streak against all the cancers present above rank 10

>>187244841
some youtuber managed to clear LK using that strategy with all classes.

Its strategy for poorfags to get Arthas and doesnt requiere epics and legos.

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This was the list Pavel played last night

why is dragon priest so good?

>>187243171

I got him yesterday lmao step ur fukn game up

>>187253209
it turns out that making a bunch of cards that are all worth 1 mana more than they cost is pretty good

>>187252717
druid is going to remain oppressively strong there's nothing that can be done against it

I mean your best bet is fast decks, decks that can have big tempo swing turns like rogue, or combo OTK decks like mage but you need to bank on a lot of things going right for you. They need to have plague/scales if you're aggro, or if you're trying to play tempo rogue or OTK mage you need just the right draw.

what's the best highlander priest deck /hsg/

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I voted USA. How many packs did i win?

>>187253981

The one with Raza and DK Anduin

>>187254184
1, they got cucked by the Czechs and lost 3-4

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>>187254184
1 pack i think

>>187254350
that's a lwed nonon

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>roll the bones deathrattle rogue
seriously guys, get in on this

>>187248417
>>187248620

>>187254542

>tavern brawl

no

How exactly does secret hunter work? Don't you just lose if they put down taunts and wait until you fizzle out?

>>187253209
constantly adding retarded cards to a bad class will eventually make it good

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someone tell me what the fuck they mean by this

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>>187254751
All HS players are racially ambiguous little disney princesses. Duh.

>>187254595

Yes

>>187254595
every hunter deck fizzles out

just play Aggro Druid if you want the beast synergy

>>187254751
they pixar now, not complaining anyways
>>187255053
You're brave, anon

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man the death knights make BM so much more toxic, 10/10

>>187252046
Looks like you've got everything you need for C'Thun Druid, Jade Druid, and most every other druid deck.

>>187255379
Valeera's 'Oops' is "How Tragic"
>Mimic Pod into Double Eviscerate into Shadow Eviscerate into Questing Adventurer lethal
>"How Tragic."

>>187255379
>play elemental mage in casual
>play my DK
>ever turn my board state improves I emote "bow to your queen"
>repeat until his position is untenable and he loses

since everyone gets c'thun from their first pack does that mean you don't get a guaranteed legendary from your first 10 packs of whispers?

>>187255773
no
you don't get C'thun from the pack, you get C'thun for buying the pack

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>>187255626
garrosh "Well Played" is a bit too polite for my tastes, no mercy for mage and druid

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So this is pay to win right?
I mean just about every deck build needs 2-4 leggos and you don't get those without getting a fuck ton of packs. Play all day and you can only get your 3 quest ones. I just don't see it being above any other card game out there.

>>187256057
Garrosh's best emotes are his greeting and threaten
Malfurion's greeting is good too because it's the second half of his summon line

>>187256138
At this point a new player has to spend at least $200 if they ever want to have fun. Budget decks that are actually viable no longer exist

What is the Tirion Exploit wit fighting the Lich King

>>187253027
I'm considering dusting my golden Lilian for Guldan but I just can't imagine it being decent even if it is fun.

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>>187256138
>handbuff paladin
>aggro hunter
>zoo warlock

I play these on my f2p account, as well as a discover-control paladin that uses stonehill defenders and servant of kalimos to get high value legendaries I wouldn't otherwise have access to. I think egg druid and the nerfed - perhaps into the ground - quest rogue are also very low cost. These decks don't even need 1 legendary, except for the quest rogue obviously.

The majority of control/midrange decks need legends and a lot of epics are staples in rogue/mage but you can make good aggro decks, disguisedtoast has a f2p hunter that he hit legend with on twitch.

My p2w control warrior has 4 legendaries that are a lot of fun to play, but I think that the deck would be way more consistent adding 2 bonemares (common) and a primordial drake (epic) and only keeping the deathknight legendary. They aren't always strictly necessary, but many are build-around for sure.

>>187256723
How high a rank have you achieved with f2p decks? Could you post the decklists?

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What

>>187257227
now this is what I call synergy

I'm down to mage and shaman. How do I f2p cheese them with no cards? For mage I don't have counterspell, but I do have mana bind. For shaman I don't have evolve or devolve. I can't run the murloc package for either (no warleaders/megasaurs).

Can someone give me a non-y'shaarj deck for the lich king?

>>187257504
what class

>>187257567
Meant to add "hunter" but I figured none of the others need to run y'shaarj and it'd be obvious.

>>187257650
I played a molten giant list, won with giants and hyenas. Basically just put enough creatures to not die but make giants free or 1 mana. Just takes some time to restart until you get a good hand

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>ICE TO MEET YOU

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>>187257650
UPDATE BOYOS:

JUST AFTER MAKING THIS POST I IMMEDIATELY BEAT HIM WITH A LUCKY HYENA ROLL. TRULY I AM A FUCK.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU BEAT THE LlCH KEK WITH PALADIN WTF THIS SHIT IS IMPOSSIBLE HOLY FUCK???????????

>>187258005
gz

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>>187257967
>blizzard noises

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>>187256957
i normally only go to 15 to get the gold, and i use paladin mostly because i got the paladin DK but these decks work without it and i rarely end up playing it.

disguisedtoast f2p hunter list uses almost all commons, these two decks have a fairly high number of rares i got from playing arena, but i think stonehill defender and spikeridged steed are 10/10 crafts for paladin. bonemare is amazing in almost any deck and probably the best common around right now

>>187258214
Was the hardest for me, I used the meme majordomo list but I've seen you can do some kind of bug similar to the warrior bug with tirion.

You need a minion and only 1 minion with more than 5 hp on the board when he transitions to ghost stage then play tirion and he doesn't do anything then you just set up for as long as you want. I haven't tried it myself though.

>>187258214
Paladin's one of the easiest. Pack a deck full of murlocs and cross your fingers. It's good to keep megasaurs and coldlights for the health buff. And if you lose guys, don't clear them- they buff murkeye for surprise lethal.

was against some meme warrior deck with deadmans hand and coldlight oracles, he was running shield block and bring it on, was p. meme

Guys what are some other fun games?I'm so sick of this shit

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>>187257967
>blizzard noises

>>187258785
dota 2

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>"I don't think many of us would care if [Blizzard] just completely annihilated Druid"

Do you agree /hsg/?

>>187258972
yes.

>>187258972
i've always loved druid

>>187258972
yes. fuck druid players. If it was at least a deck that you had to learn and had obvious faults like quest mage it wouldn't be so bad but it's literally just play on curve and win 99% of matchups.

>>187258345
I'm trying to figure out something to take me to rank 5. Thanks for sharing your decks, it helps to see other ideas.

I think there's a lot of potential in the new KFT common cards (bonemare, righteous protector, cobalt scalebane, skelemancer, grim necromancer, deathspeaker) but I can't quite come up with a viable deck and I don't have the dust to test stuff out. For a paladin deck, I was thinking of using the new taunts and buffs as well as spells to set up a fledgeling or worgen or something.

>>187258220
Thanks bud.

If anyone wants LK tips or the decks I used feel free to ask. I'M KIND OF AN EXPERT NOW.

I never play warlock, I decided long ago to dust all warlock cards and I've stuck to it. Is it possible to beak the lich king with only the basic warlock cards?

>>187259898

Use a Reno deck, it's easy

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>>187259229
the games i've played with this deck >>187256723 are often decided by frothing berserker supporter by all the new whirlwind effects, and gurubashi berserker gets the rare opportunity to shine. i think the same concept applies in hunter when your goal is to snowball a hyena out of control.

skelemancer with bonemare and spikeridged steed is definitely nuts, i think it really shines in handbuff which i've seen brian kibler play at rank 4 before, but there's no telling if it got him very far. paladin has some of the most powerful legends in tirion, wickerflame and tarim but his bread-and-butter control cards are almost all rare.. the difficulty is finding a finisher without tirion etc. and I think if any one card does it, it's the deathknight weapon + horsemen but I can't think of anything strong enough in the common pool unless you're playing more midrange tempo

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bets lads

>>187257227
Deathstalker Rexxar for the fun and it's the best one out of the three

>>187260051
A legendary you don't own

>>187260051
LET'S BREAK DA ICE

>>187260051
400 dust prince

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>>187260108
>>187260134
>>187260163

>>187258785
Shadowverse.

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>>187257967
>"Oh thank the light, I finally have some minions and a taunt on the board. Maybe I can salvage this before he kills me."
>*Maexxna noises*
>"NONE SHALL PASS!"

>>187260241
You lucky bastard.
How come everyone keeps getting good golden legendaries and I always hit the pity timer for shitty ones, what the fuck.

>>187259229

### Drunk Pally
# Class: Paladin
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 2x (1) Argent Squire
# 2x (1) Righteous Protector
# 2x (2) Equality
# 2x (2) Hydrologist
# 2x (3) Aldor Peacekeeper
# 2x (3) Divine Favor
# 2x (3) Rallying Blade
# 2x (3) Stonehill Defender
# 2x (4) Blessing of Kings
# 2x (4) Consecration
# 2x (4) Dread Corsair
# 2x (4) Truesilver Champion
# 2x (5) Skelemancer
# 2x (6) Spikeridged Steed
# 2x (7) Bonemare
#
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#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Here ya go, a cheap as fuck Paladin deck.

I don't think it might be good enough to get to Rank 5, though.

>>187258785
league of legends

>>187258972
I've always loved ramp druid and it's my most played deck since beta for sure. That said, token druid has always been cancer since force of nature savage roar, and jade idol needs to be deleted from the game


>>187259178
>quest mage
>draw cards, freeze board, win game regardless of board state and life totals
i had 20 health and 50 armor as warrior and dirty rat'd an apprentice but still lost because I couldn't attack my opponent for 6 turns and had to watch him fireball me 20 times and almost run the fucking rope out, i'm all for malygos combo shit and didn't mind freeze mage with ice lance, at least they ran the risk of being out-healed against quest priest or warriors and druids, infinite damage is some bullshit

>>187259178
>that you had to learn and had obvious faults like quest mage

oh please, quest mage is uninteractive as hell and one of the most rng dependent decks ever. I mean really whats the average quest mage game go like? Either you fold early and die or repeatedly freeze/kill the enemy board then kill them in one turn from hand. Like how much decision making even happens for both players?

>>187259898
i did the same thing but with warlock AND hunter, fuck, man.

i beat him with renolock, it barely needs any class cards to function and if you can get out kel thuzad you win

when i beat him his next hero power was going to hit me for 14 damage and not kill me, it took a looong time

Hall of Fame Innervate.
Change all of Ultimate Infestation's numbers from 5 to 4.

There, I fixed the expansion.

When was the last time hunter is viable?

>>187261014
even 4 is too much. They need to just remove the card draw and leave everything else

>>187258972
Druid deserves to die much, much more than handlock did

>>187260427
is there even a good decklist for this card right now?

>>187260815
sounds like one of the mono blue players in magic the gathering who think their deck requires so much mind gaming and finesse that it takes 200 IQ to pilot. in reality the color just has broken "class cards" as the only one that has counter spells and easy access to card draw.

in hearthstone's case, it's aoe freeze and ice block. you can remove every burn spell in mage and they'll still find a way to OTK with arcane giants if they still have iceblock

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leave quest mage to me

>>187261068
>>187261014
they need to make it draw 3 and not give armor.

>>187261339
It's a real disrespect to liken quest mage to a controlly blue deck. Sure it doesn't require 500 IQ but you actually have manage your resources efficiently while playing differently based on your opponents deck all the while building a slow win. Quest mage you just play solitaire for 20 minutes and magically produce random resources that are either alright or really good and if you opponent isn't running secret eater or flare then you win.

>>187261278
yeah you just put it in every paladin deck ever

>>187261451
>4 mana 2/4
>does nothing against druid
>does nothing against aggro
maybe if it was a 3/4 or 4/3. the only counter to quest mage being a dead card against every other deck in the meta is too much of a hit to take

>>187261649
>>187261014
Card draw replaced with Discover a card that costs 5

>>187261052
BRING OUT YOUR DEAD
I FEEL ICKY
I'LL SHOW THEM, I'LL SHOW THEM ALL

>>187262003
m8 sunshine was very popular too and that was after

>>187261724
Having one card that can stop quest mage is more than what people have to stop druid.

>>187261052
Start running, prey.

>>187260048
>>187260520
Thanks, I'm going to theorycraft a bit more then attempt to ladder.
Good idea on the dread corsairs, that looks totally rad.

>>187261052
They were decent right before CotW got nerfed
I think the problem is pretty much every other class has power creeped waaaay harder than Hunter has (Druids being the most obvious in retarded new cards)

>>187261052
When it only costed $8 to call all companions. After the inflation, it just couldn't cut the mustard.

>>187262201
Swing turns, man.
Nothing cucks a Pirate Warrior like killing his on-curve Berserker, healing for 2 and dropping 2 3/3 taunts.

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>>187262114
druid is stupidly strong but at least it's interactive, you can still win the board and eventually the game. if they high roll on ramp and their followup draws you're usually fucked but at least you can still make decisions on what to remove and what to trade and you don't have the interactivity stripped away from you.

if it goes late, 4/6 for 6 is pretty shitty but not that terrible for a 6 drop, and their ultimate infestations will put them in fatigue pretty quickly if you can save your brawl/equality/twisting nether for really late though. RIP priest/hunter/rogue though.

anyone EU wanna complete some quests?

>>187262081
>>187262003
people have such short memories in this game any time a class is bad for even one set people act like it's always been bad since forever.

Hunter has been t1 numerous times. They had to nerf several cards to dethrone it. Historically the worst classes are priest, paladin, and shaman. They've been shit tier for most amount of time since HS released, not lately but overall since release.

Pally and Shaman actually have the same issue where they have some ridiculous cards in their classic set but also some very significant holes so if blizz doesn't release things in new sets to fill those holes the classes become shit tier but it doesn't take much to send them back to t1 since their classic cards are just that good.

Priest is weird and reactive by nature which will always hurt it in this game but the few times it truly has been t1 it's been because they got a bunch of overstatted minions they could curve out with and heal with their hero power which is totally against the theme of their classic cards so priest only becomes t1 when they get A LOT of support, otherwise they'll always be at best a t2 control or combo deck of some kind but that style of play is what most people want from priest I think.

Why have some classes received multiple nerfs repeatedly (e.g. Druid) while others have never even been nerfed?

Half of Druid's core kit was nerfed to the ground and now they need to do it all over again? Does someone on Team 5 just suck Druid dick 24/7 and pushes through broken cards?

>>187263056
When you play curvestone, its easy to be broken when one of the core mechanic of your class is to cheat the curve.
Just like rogue can't get anything too good otherwise its unbalanced hard.

>>187261052
Before Call of the Wild nerf.
Pre-nerf CotW was akin to UI, 8 mana for something that was worth over 12 mana (if you take into account that you only needed 1 card for the effect). Then the meta fell from MidHuntard/AggroShaman into "Shamanstone: Tales of Midrange".
Secret Hunter was good but it just couldn't compete with Shaman.

>>187262114
Skulking Geist hates on Jade Druid, Evolve Shaman, Quest Hunter (lol), OTK Priest, Malygos Rogue, Control Warrior, and has an ok stat line. Most of those decks are non existent right now, but eater of secrets only affecting paladin, mage, and hunter - and only a the decks in those classes that run secrets - is pretty terrible with that stat line.

I think it would be better as a 6 mana 4/6 that stopped players/creatures from becoming immune or something, so it has some use against violet illusionist, shadowblade mill decks, deathspeaker and obviously ice block

>>187263173
>Quest Hunter (lol)
It does fuckall to quest hunter

>>187263251
If you play it on turn one, it will remove the opponent's quest, I'm guessing that's his reasoning here?

>>187263251
>>187263342
Too much MtG, all cards are considered spells, and minions are just creature-spells.

Maybe that's the real counter to quest mage, though.
>Innvervate
>Innervate
>Coin
>Skulking Geist
easiest game of my life

>>187263482
>Too much MtG
I forgive you

>>187263137
>no Call of the Mild card released yet
Summon a Stonetusk Boar, a Direwolf Alpha and a Ironfur Grizzly
Pretty neat idea from back when CotW was meta. Make it 5 mana and it would be autoinclude in every Hunter deck.

>>187263840
Holy crap, that's genius

>>187263056
aggro players are typically happy with whatever blizzard prints
the demographic that needs to be satiated by nerfs most often is control players, which means that some classes whose identities necessarily put them in an archetype that beats control will be nerfed disproportionately often

>>187263137
It absolutely wasn't. I hardly saw anyone running it, and it never swung games that badly. It was a really baffling nerf, honestly. A strong card, but not one that tipped hunter into overpowered.

>>187264063
Blizzard just wanted to give hunterbros 800 free dust before their deck got naturally powercreeped out of existence

Having gotten Arthas, and having crafted tirion and tarim and opened wickerflame, and having a copy of the voraax, I REALLY want to craft the paladin quest. Please talk me out of it.

>>187264063
Remember they nerf cards due to outrage from reddit, not due to any actual game breaking problem. Same reason quest rogue was nerfed although quest rogue nerf was probably warranted.

>>187264205
It's trash, sub 35% winrate against every deck on ladder right now

In addition, it's not fun

>>187264205
it's shit and buff decks are a bore

>faggot starts roping because he knows he already lost

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>>187264436
>opponent ropes every turn

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>neat hero reward
>shitty boring class you have to play if you want to use it

What did they mean by this?

>>187264608
What did you get?

>>187264203
They gave me 3200 because I was a lucky boy who opened goldens. Just got another the other day while testing the new pity timers, too.

>>187264253
Was reddit even angry about it? I don't remember people complaining afterwards, just a lot of "wow that card can't be good" before it came out.

>>187264660
>arthas
not that anon but agree that paladin is a snoozefest and has been for the entirety of its existence

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>>187264436
>>187264559
>roping an aggro player every turn
>mfw

Why in such a rush?

>>187263840

Timber Wolf, Frog from Hex, and Stonetusk

3 mana

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>Pulled an Antonidas
>Had enough dust for quest
>Had enough of the other cards to make a loose and sloppy Exodia deck
>First game I played I won via lucky topdeck on the turn I would've died

Most fun I've had in Hearthstone desu

>>187264726
Secret paladin was pretty fun. I still use it from time to time in wild.

>>187264294
>>187264408
Thanks lads.

>>187264660
I was talking about arthas

>>187264205
1. It's shit.
2. It's not fun.
3. Kibler shilled Paladin Quest since pre-release up until the end of Un'goro, that should tell you something about how shit that card is.

>set comes out with interesting cards you're excitied to experiment with
>broken shit is figured out within a week and pushes anything innovative out of the game

every expansion, every time

>>187264929
Such is the nature in a game with a single ladder with all players connected to each other within seconds.

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>>187264929
>"Interesting cards to experiment with"
>Bonemares

Lmao what the fuck were you gonna """"experiment"""" with?
Lana'thel?

>>187264205
I've played an abundance of aggessive/buff focused paladin decks over the years and I was interested in the quest but after learning you could be offered the same adapts repeatedly I knew galvadon would be a lot worse and yea he's pretty shit.

That's the interesting thing though the problem is not buffs like people say the problem is literally galvadon he's that bad. A buff deck is better without him.

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>>187241207
Ben Thompson and Ben Brode Twitter Q&A

During Gamescom, Ben Brode and Ben Thompson both answered community questions on Twitter via video. We've transcribed all their responses and summarized their answers down below for you.

The mouse seen in some official art is named Sarge. He is the best friend of the Innkeeper, Harth Stonebrew.
No plans right now to do the same treatment Death Knights received for Monk and Demon Hunter.
RNG cards can actually add skill to the game and aren't just there to make things fun.
Reducing the top-end grind for ladder and giving players stuck at low levels at progression are the immediate goals the new ladder system needs to achieve.
Mechanics they like will be brought back. Giving others their own time to shine is important though.
Concerned about Druid? Brode wants you to check out Dean Ayala's post.

We've got some fluffy responses too!

Brode's favourite card from Frozen Throne is Deathstalker Rexxar.
Thompson's favourite is Valeera the Hollow
Brode has been using Meat Wagon alongside Validated Doomsayer and Devilsaur Egg.
Both Bens love the Archmage Antonidas card art (and artist - Wayne Reynolds).

How can I pilot an exodia mage? I have the combo, blizzards, doomsayers, frost nova and I still die.

>Go to fatigue with druid vs lich king
>2 off lethal
>Boom bots hit minions instead
Let me finish this already brode

>>187265095
>divine shield pally
>DK's in general
>murloc shaman

there's a bunch of stuff man. I think the biggest issue with this set though is it has to compete against un goro. Like why would I try anything different with paladin when rockpool and megasuar still exist? Why do anything different with mage when the quest still exists? Even druid isn't doing anything "new" it's slotted a few frozen throne cards into their old decks.

>>187265372
>RNG cards can actually add skill to the game and aren't just there to make things fun.
Wait what

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>>187265372


Hi Ben, what do you think of the design of RNG cards? Do you agree that RNG cards make HS more fun to watch but less competitive?

BB/BT: Hi Garrosh.

BT: Actually, on the Hearthstone team we do believe RNG cards make Hearthstone more fun to play.

BB: Yeah and it has an interesting relationship with skill. A lot of the random cards generate new cards that you didn't put into your deck. That can often create novel scenarios - brand new that you haven't had to deal with before and the best players at Hearthstone are the best at adapting to those brand new situations quickly and finding the right answer. So, in that way, it can actually add skill to the game.


http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3297-ben-thompson-and-ben-brode-twitter-q-a-sarge-more

>>187265384
Discover more Iceblocks, Conjurer is a good card, practice with Microsoft Solitaire.

What deck do I put the pally death knight in? Do I just slap him at the end of murloc pally?

someone have a warrior list for lich king that doesn't revolve around taunts + KT?

>>187265431
He's not entirely wrong he's making the "bobby fisher" argument basically. Fisher argued the chess had become devoid of skill and was just about memorizing openers and established strats then executing. He made a new set of rules than introduced some randomness to the game with the logic being you can't just rely on memorized shit then so people with a real good sense of strategy would tend to win.

The problem is though card games already have randomness since your deck is shuffled. You don't really need to add much more and many of the RNG effects in hearthstone have such a wide range of possible outcomes there is no way to play around them.

>>187265431
The statement is true but how rng cards are implemented in hearthstone for the most part contradict that statement.

>>187243171
>mage
kabal lackey and counterspell, stalled until infinite fireballs

>priest
big priest, gorged my hatred turn 4

>druid
jade, ramped and hit face

>hunter
barnes into y'shart into rag

>rogue
rushed him down with mechs

>paladin
enter the coliseum + kelthuzad + shieldbearer + scaled

>warrior
kelthuzad + public defender then loaded up the board

>warlock
renolock, DK'd and went face

>shaman
evolved my board and double bloodlusted the next turn

>>187265403
>DKs in general
Priest was literally made to work with Raza's faggotry and thats it
More evolve stupidity for shaman
Rexxar would be cool if not for the retarded RNG associated with it and the rest of its cards being terrible
Aside from Valeera the rest are just extra control/survivability

>>187265730
Lich King doesn't play cards while he has Frostmourne active, so I think the idea is to brawl after turn 7 and start racking up his fatigue with coldlight/ dead mans hand until you can knock him out in one go after killing the last spirit thing

>>187265927
>More evolve stupidity for shaman
I think they wanted to make him focused on freezing but couldn't figure out how to do it and not be shit without making his battlecry literally just frost nova

of finja, tirion, and burnbristle, which is the most important card to have in the deck of murloc paladin?

>>187266041
Tarim.

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Idea: during the mulligan phase you're shown 2 random cards from your opponent's deck. You can't do anything with them, they're just to give you an idea of what sort of deck you're facing.

This stops you losing in the mulligan when 1 class has both an aggro and a midrange/control/combo deck in the meta (like Druid).

Is this idea dumb?

>>187266089
i have him thankfully, but only enough dust for one of those 3. which should i do?

>>187266030
Literally anything other than adding more evolve support would have been better

>>187266041
Definitely Finja for synergy. Tirion's just a good craft in general though. You can absolutely get by without Wickerflame

>>187266041
finja, just get the others from stonehill

>>187266143
>>187266230
cool, thanks guys.

>>187266110
Yeah

>>187265838
>>187265858
I understand that statement in a vacuum but when applied to HS it isn't true at all. Does Ben really treat us like morons when he says the dumb shit he says?

>Let's say something that sounds "smart"
>That will handwave away all complains about our game
This is why I hate Ben Brode.

So when the fuck are we gettting new formats?
I want stuff like EDH or two headed giant actual different gameplay.
Obviously edh wouldn't work as a stand alone format but I just mean something that really mixes up the regular deck building and playing.

>>187265431
see >>187265492

>>187266359
Well he's talking to hearthstone reddit users.
If you have ever gone there you'll see the average IQ is in the double digits

>>187266387
they should have a hall of fame format after a couple rotations, a format where usable sets are limited, but they're based on popularity or the "quality" of the set and not release order

for example a format where you could only play vanilla/BRM/LoE and Whispers would be interesting

So has the choose your champion thing concluded? If so, who won?

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>trying to beat lich king as warrior
>third time in a row where both patrons are still in the deck on turn 7

fuck

>>187266575
That is a neat idea but I'd like a 2 headed giant mode more just because it seems more different.

>>187266591
Choosing ended on 24th iirc.
Tournament still ongoing. If you voted Ukraine or Czech you have a chance to win 2 packs depending on who wins the finals. Everyone else gets 1 pck.

>>187266680
I don't play MTG so I don't know what EDH or 2 headed giant are, but I agree in principle

>>187266707
>2 packs
Calm down blizzard

>>187266807
Yeah they cheapen out.

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>>187265403
here are the decks im playing against at rank 6
>DK infestation druid (whether ramp token or jade)
>quest mage
>evolve deathknight shaman
>elemental deathknight mage
>various KFT control paladins
>DK rogue duplicating jade cards
>RNG big boy priest

while i am whirlwind DK warrior, maybe towards legend it's all jade cancer trying to climb but the meta is as far as i'm concerned pretty varied from the nonstop taunt warrior/quest rogue of early un'goro, and many new KFT cards are shaping the meta whether they are the DKs, RNG priest cards, ultimate infestation/spreading plague, whirlwind shit. it's not so bad

i got chow from a pack. Is it better to dust him or keep him so i dont get him again and guarantee a better legendary next time?

>>187266780
2 headed giant is 2v2 and edh is everyone uses singleton 100 card decks with a separate card off to the side that acts as your commander that influences your deck a lot.

The beauty of alternate format is they can just do whatever crazy shit, players have their serious wild and standard so just do wacky stuff like archenemy or planechase in mtg which just shake up the game with global card effects

>>187266972
so they're kind of like brawls, but as standardized game modes? Yeah that'd be cool

>>187266961
lorewalker cho? he's pretty slick in handbuff paladin if that ever takes off. you only really run the couple buff cards and then play him out and get your opponents removal

i played him in mill rogue too where my opponents can't make much use out of shadowstep/vanish and it fills up their hand to burn their other cards

>>187266945
The set has been great for priest that's true and yea I'm only rank 5 and I see plenty of weird shit and have played plenty of weird shit my issue is just that so many of these decks, even if they're being played, are clearly bad.

Like yes there are many paladin decks being messed with but come on you know there is nothing better than vilefin into rockpool into warleader into megasuar. My issue is that we pretty much already know what the good decks are and they're basically un goro decks and anything druid.

>>187267145
ok, i mean cho but thanks

>mage had drake in hand
>I didn't have my shadow word
I guess I lose, I've been outplayed.

>>187265730
murlocs
being f2p and only playing paladin I have no card classes at all : had to craft couple hunter spells and a jade idol to clear the whole thing.
murlocs with basically everything

>>187243820
Did you get it to work eventually, is it easy to pull off?

>>187265403
>I think the biggest issue with this set though is it has to compete against un goro.
This. Un'Goro created half a dozen new deck types, and promoted another dozen from being unplayable to t1 or t2. Frozen Throne mostly just improved decks that already existed and were already meta.

>>187265402
Jade?

>>187267458
Yea and honestly ungoro meta was pretty good after rogue got nerfed, mage was getting a little cancer near the end but that's about it.

There's some cool shit in Throne I think but most of it just isn't on the same power level as ungoro.

>lmao wouldn't it be fuckin great if 3 games in a row your frothing berserkers were in the bottom 5 cards in your deck such difficulty xd

fuck off lich king

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just ignore the board there's no way all those can stop you. Look Jaina's only got 3 health left there's no way she can turn things around now

>>187267629
>>187267458
Un'goro create a ton of new cards because it was the start of a new rotation. So it removed and added new cards. KoFT added only new cards AND ultimate infestion and Spreading Plague has suppressed any form of deck innovation.

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>Spirit Echo from Elise pack
>Play it on my Amara
>Still have Reno in hand
God I love this greedy ass deck

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>>187267734
>flames consume you
>ice to meet you
>*water elemental noises*

>>187267809
Even in wild it created a bunch of new deck types.

>>187267809

I'm still amazed they actually thought UI was a balanced card, especially for the class whose gimmick is cheating the mana curve. Even by Brode standards that's fucking retarded.

>>187241207
>Lich King won't shut the fuck up so each match takes a million years

>>187267809
Plague actually makes me more mad than infestation I think but yea both need a nerf.

Plague should spawn 1/3's at most. Infestation should draw less and not give armor. If they don't wanna nerf infestation they have to nerf the ramp cards but plague 100% needs to be nerfed, they could just gut it honestly and that'd be fine imo.

>>187243171
>mage
murlocs

>priest
murlocs

>druid
1 jade idol, 2 auctioneer, 2 innervate deck

>hunter
murlocs

>rogue
murlocs

>paladin
murlocs

>warrior
murlocs

>warlock
murlocs

>shaman
murlocs + bloodlust

>>187268108
I am convinced they have no playtesting or playtesting only happens AFTER all the card design has been finalized and all playtesting does is nerf card mana cost.

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someone please send me a warrior decklist without KT or Dead Man's Hand. I can't do this shit.

>>187268108
The only issue is that you can ramp to it so quickly. The card itself is not the problem

>>187268290
Infestation would be fine in any other class except Druid. They gave the most powerful 10 mana card to the class known for cheating the mana curve. What the fuck?

>>187268347

If they do test new cards it's either against the AI or only using cards from that set instead of the entire card pool. A couple weeks before launch they need to do a brawl with all new cards unlocked so the tryhards can do free playtesting and figure out what needs to be fixed before release.

>>187268347

It would still be strong with 4 instead of 5 and playable with 3 instead of 5. It's Firelands Portal with 5 draw, 5 armor and a consistent minion instead of ebin story minion for 3 more mana. Absolutely bonkers, ramp or no ramp.

>>187268354
>without KT or Dead Man's Hand.
Those lists don't exist anon

>>187268653
Just invite the top 100 legend of each season of the of the last expansion to do a beta testing for them with an NDA. It is that simple.

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>>187268354
Stop being bad

I log on twice a week a dailies, outside of that I put kripp on the background while I masturbate to porn in case someone walks in the room

>>187268743
yeah they do. Patron warrior