/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General

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It may just be time to pull the plug.

Actual new thread:

>>187037582

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Anyone play the Battletech multiplayer yet?

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>>187038716
>this autist again

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>>187038716

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>>187038716

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melee when?

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>>187038716

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http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=169&l=1798d3a02ee7bd60c638ccc95cf4ee33d4004a61

This'll work, right?

>>187038975
I wish the mech reacted to the punch more rather than just standing there exploding.

>>187048207
How do you react more than exploding?

>>187048450
By not standing perfectly upright after being smacked by a giant mech.

So, what elements should be kept and which should be ditched for a classic Armored Core spiritual successor

>>187052804
Dump customization, make it class-based.

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>>187038186
>Play Mwo
>See no Kong
Today is a good day

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>>187055084
Is that not the 11 (eleven) damage dude?

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>>187055856
Yes it is

>>187055084
>>187056215
Who is that?

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>>187056527

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>>187056527
A former disgraced kong lord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW3gHw8TO8I
Friendly WWW reminder

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>four people with over 1k damage
>multiple people on both teams with sub 100

Really makes you think.

>>187060983
American prime time

>>187061371
>between 12;30 am and 3:30 am in the US
>prime time for Americans
You mean Aussies and Kiwis or late morning for Europians.

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Is dashing an asshole or a dumbass?

>>187062715
both

rip

>>187065628
F

Next patch better be a good one because this past one sucked ass.

Whats a good locust build I been rolling SRM with med pulse and it seems ok

>>187047201
>http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=169&l=1798d3a02ee7bd60c638ccc95cf4ee33d4004a61

I'd do Medium pulse if possible, That many heavies on a limited pod space mech isn't that great.

>>187069102
If you're as aggressively suicidal as I am in a Locust and enjoy SRMS on it, I recommend this. It lost some cooldown (about 0.3 seconds) after the skilltree was added, but it's still a disgusting amount of damage output when you're flinging out 17.2 damage every ~1.5 seconds with insanely good heat efficiency and relatively low spread. Your armor sucks, a lot, but you're already in a Locust so you should be used to that.

>http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=108&l=c0be1b7f512f4665234aa5ebc60908d7b4a016d4

If you want something a bit more reliable, though, the best option is probably the Hero variant with something along the lines of ECM+4ML, or the 1E for its 6 energy hardpoints. You could theoretically do a 1V with heavy or light machine guns as well, but you're gonna get miserably outclassed by Mist Lynxes in that department so it's not super worth it.

>>187071009
Trim it down to 3srm2 instead.

>>187073684
But that's way less __fun__, anon.

>>187074040
It's also a lot less likely to explode the second someone looks at you with a couple machine guns or lasers.

>>187074313
>implying
Unless you max out the defense tree you're made of papier-mâché regardless, and even then you're still pretty flimsy. The side torso hitboxes are so tiny on this thing it doesn't even matter how much armor you put on them, since 99% of the time you're either gonna get legged or cored long before any meaningful damage hits a side torso. The arms are also very hard to hit, so armoring them more than necessary is a waste of tonnage, and I can't fathom getting hit by a headshot while you're going ~156kph, so putting a lot of armor in the head is also pointless.

If you want to not die when someone looks long enough at you, you're not gonna have a good time in any Locust. The entire frame is based around going fast enough to avoid taking damage; if you want more traditional survivability then you're better off in a different light 'mech, probably a 35-tonner like a Raven or a Wolfhound.

>>187047201
Why not LAAs?

>>187074886
Just because the armor is thin doesn't mean you want to get rid of half of it. No matter how fast or agile you are, there are other light mechs around, and lasers and memeguns are hitscan, and arty is area effect. Sometimes while you're behind the enemy team and backstabbing fatties some teammate will drop an airstrike that gets you too. Those points are literally the difference between life and death.

Furthermore, scraping off your arms and sides for a 4th srm doesn't do shit except make you run out of ammo faster.

I have a bushwacker, you guys recommended putting 2 rac5 on it, with no other weapons? Is it a viable build?

>>187076590
It has its own set of problems, but it's a pretty good build. Not to mention that it's just plain fun to hose people down with boolit.

Lo Wai when?

>>187038186
Those models are pretty cool.

>>187060983
>4 people hit, 54 damage assault.

People need punishment for being that shitty consistently, cause it's basically not playing.

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This was on a Catapult. He was playing in third person.

>>187093263
It just makes sense.

Supernova -1? Or -C? Or is it too shit of a mech anyway? I'm leaning towards -C, don't think it's smart to have all weapons on arms only

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So the Verdict Day community here is completely dead right? Picking up a copy today.

>>187084962

Probably when they actually name a Mech that.

>>187093263

I can see him flamerstun someone long enough to get back to 180m for another LRM shot.

>>187098378
is /acg/ dead again? They're the better place to ask. I think they still play infrequently.

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S M H

>>187109905

Yeah, that's pure pugtardation.

>>187109905
Troll build or feigning retardation?

>>187105190
I searched vg and m for armored core and only found you guys, and you do have acv stuff in the OP. Sorry to post something mostly off topic. Ah well, I have a few XBL friends that are into it on PS3, playing with them was always the plan.

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>>187109905
>>187110191
>>187110746

>>187114553

AC is OK, just not many folks here. No harm done.

>>187109905

>TWO TAGs

Gee Bill

>>187116107
>two

>>187116107
3

As much as people hyped up the LFR most builds I have seen can't sacrifice the weight in order to use them.

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>>187116183
>>187116194

>mfw I didn't even see the third one

>>187116554
American Education

>>187116356

It's the other way round. LFR's make STD builds (some heavies, many assaults) better.

Even 25% weight savings goes a long way on a 325+ rated engine.

>>187116356
Mostly heavies and assaults benefit from the LFE. The only mediums that can are laser vomit builds.

>>187117549

Yeah my mechlab class in secondary school was total shit.

>>187120612

Clan T-Comp I vs Active Probe?

>>187121868
Active Probe, they nerfed Comps

>>187121868

Depends on what you're using.

T-Comp won't do shit for LRM/ATMs, for example.

>>187125028
Probe effects everything besides enhancing weapon speed, and crit. With the nerf to the comps. Pretty much only 4th Tier and up are only viable in taking.

>People who can't aim at one spot and spread the damage for you

Why thank you.

>>187129265
>spread the damage around
>post a 1K dmg screenshot on /gerg/

Kakos Kolos Simulator 2017.

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>>187129701

Bolt-ons when?

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>it's a broken PC is daijobu episode
robots soon

kys gregshitter

Sha Yu when
Lao Hu when

Kung Lao when?

Speculations of the new clan light mech?

>>187142441
Firemoth.

>>187142441

It'll be shit because lights are not allowed to be good.

>>187143117
>lights are not allowed to be good
What lights have you been playing?

>>187143117
Pretty sure the Buzzsaw became popular with LMGS

>have a mastered 6LL STK-4N
>with LFE+light ferro I could fit literally the exact same weapons, engine rating, and number of DHS on the 3FB and also take ECM
>dropping 2 of the 20 DHS would make room for stealth armor
Is there any possible reason not to replace my 4N? The only thing it gets over the 3FB is 5% cooldown and 10% range from quirks, which is nice, but I'm not sure if that makes up for not having ECM.

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FYI I just wanted to let you know you are all insufferable cunts.

Dashing is a inbred redneck who's last worlds will be "Hold My Beer"
Vassago Rain will die from choking on muslim cock.
Did Kaelus kill himself yet, because he should.

Also original character do not steal.

>>187146591
love you too fag

Who has the old videos where there was Gundam Wing endless waltz played during a time trial on Frozen City and then Nasheed played on old Forest Colony during a cave rush?

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>>187146591
and yet you still come here and hang out with us on this shitty imageboard anyway

fuck off porko

>>187146591
>who's
>not whose

Who's the inbred redneck again?

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>>187146591

And haruko is going to own several birds while drinking at home alone every friday night.

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>>187146591
>>187146591
>Dashing is a inbred redneck who's last worlds will be "Hold My Beer"
Inbred? No, he's just an idiot. Harabec has met him though, says he's a nice guy.
>Vassago Rain will die from choking on muslim cock.
He's already been arrested for being a drug dealer. He hasn't been on in a month.
>Did Kaelus kill himself yet, because he should.
No one will argue with you for sharing this opinion.

>>187148032
what's wrong with owning birds?
though I guess if it's more than two I guess it's more or less the equivalent of being a crazy cat lady like rancor

>tfw really want to go ranked and spam fotm free mmr heroes now but valvejews want my phone number
Zeus is faceroll-tier, SB can get free wins with yolo plays and with Memelord you can fucking feed the enemy safelane, and become unkillable and win after getting one big item. I wish I could turn these free wins into MMR.

disregard wrong general

Is it worth me keeping standard engines or just sell them?

>>187143117

You haven't been watching the Mist Lynx's BRRRRTing anything to death the second it hits 0 armor, have you?

>>187146482

No, ECM isn't worth that much to most assaults. You'll also have to invest deep into the Sensor tree to get the ECM working properly, or else it's trash.

>>187149696

There's a few cases where a standard matters, like Hgauss builds that can't fit even an LFE.

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>>187148204
>He's already been arrested for being a drug dealer.
I was curious a while back about reporting him to either the Sala authorities for drug dealing or his doctor for abusing their shortsighted attempts to "help" him.

Looks like he took care of it himself.

>>187146591
Societally he killed himself. He doesn't interact with anyone in oldkong anymore, and hasn't been on voice in probably 2 years.

Dashing is negligent

Ugh fine what's the mumble server you leprous fucks gather on?

I just can't play any more FP solo queue, but I like the game mode.

>>187152882

Nvm I'm a retarded asshole that doesn't read the OP.

>it's a gauss jaeger shooting from beyond max range episode
why do i always get stuck with tards

>>187152691
>Dashing is negligent
That may be, but at least he isn't gregligent and lets the moving company box and carry his desktop computer.

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I'm sorry guys.

I fed the pig.

I'm so ashamed.

I bought the Thanatos.

>>187153908
Pfft, at least you'll be able to play it when it comes out. I'll be in Poland on official Army business, probably freezing my ass.

>>187154241

>Army business
>Poland
>November

Damn anon every one of those things in shit.

What did you do that the punishment was Polish military service?

>>187153758
look my man everything is daijobu
only thing that actually busted was one of the slots for the ram on the motherboard, but the other 3 slots still work so it's no biggie

>>187154475
I believed in my country (the US), that's what I did that deserved such retribution.

>>187154605

I believe in the US too anon.

Just not it's government. I hope you learned your lesson.

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>>187154241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75zmIj_4LFQ

>>187154710
The lesson I learned is that we must create a world where soldiers are not abused by the world governments, and are a force outside the oppression of nations capable of acting in accordance with their own will; an "outer heaven" so to speak.

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ded thred

>>187153908

You can stop before it starts. Get the refund.

You know it'll just be a nostalgia thing, and PGI will, as always, disappoint you.

Just remember the Uziel.

>>187160461
Uziel looked bad on paper even before it's quirks were released. Can't say the same thing about Thany.

>>187160585

Yeah, but I wont. I don't even have nostalgia for the Thanatos, I just like the way it looks.

>>187160614

meant for >>187160461

>>187160614
I'll admit that I'm thinking about picking up a Thany pack.

>>187160812

I got the standard pack to minimize my sin.

>>187160585
>>187160614

It's like you're on /gerg/, but you've decided on man-to-pig surgery.

Thannytrannies.

>>187161048
Yeah, calling the Thanatos a Thany wasn't one of my better moments.

How should i build a diaishi?

>>187162576
sell it

>>187162576

A Dire Wolf is the last Clan assault a newbie should pilot. They're slow and clumsy, and extremely unforgiving of errors as literally everything will use you for target practice.

Stick to smaller machines- the Marauder IIC and Supernova are solid choices, and both can get more speed out of their engines so you don't end up left alone, chasing the back of your team, and getting picked off.

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Is it worth it spending money just to make my Mech look pretty?

woah

>>187171187
If you dont like how the base looks, yes its always worth spending a few bucks getting some paint, hell even through events with MC just get one shots or so. Also there are basic colors you can get with Cbills as well.

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>>187176683

>Ended up buying some skins, colours decals and even a hanging medal


Wish i got into the game earlier, seems like the server wait times are just getting worse.

>>187178637
>>187179252
>>187179846
Nice. Sauce?

>>187178637
>Mechwarrior: ISIS

>>187178115
Just depends on what Servers you're connecting too, and the play time.

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>>187180190
ggrks

Does Haruko still do any MW-related arts? She was fairly profilic and yet all of it is basically archived on MW:O forums where she stopped. Nothing on Pixiv, nothing on DA.

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>>187189612
RIP horko

>>187189612
She's too busy trying her hardest to be a normie and deny the darkness within

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>>187191990
Didn't she shoot for a 3DCG job?
Not exactly a profession that favors not shitting out new art all the time and posting it left, right and center. Albeit it could be different for the Japs.

>>187192863
Wow just like in my chinese cartoon

ded

When's Lu Bu getting added?

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>>187196950
That's still much more than MW:O deserves, to be honest.

How is the Battletech game going? Aside from also being made by a badly run studio.

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>>187194120
I know, right?

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Hey /gerg/! A pilot from /tfg/ here, I've been wondering if there's any recommendations you guys could give me of /gerg/ games that feel similar to TitanFall's mech combat? Thank you!

>>187197362
They're about to release an updated version of the beta, and next month or two there should be a multiplayer beta.

>>187200079
Hawken would be reasonably close but to the best of my knowledge, that game is as dead as it gets.

Is there any hope of this games playerbase ever growing again and becoming more active?

Will the release of MW5 and the introduction of Solaris bring in new blood and revitalize the community?

Or are we doomed to a slow, inevitable atrophy that cannot be staved off by anything?

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>not wearing KONG gloves

>>187204716
Civil war patch brought in a good amount of new blood from what I've been seeing, and it definitely brought a lot of old players back in. Solaris could be hit or miss depending on how piggy's poorly-conceived tier system ends up going, but I'd be very surprised if MW5 doesn't lead more people into MWO.

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Hell this thread is dead.

how do i into faction play? do i need a group for it or can i hotjoin?

>>187210247
It's better to be in a group but you could also hotjoin pubs

how much damage should i be doing with a dual gauss jaeger? i feel like i'm not really doing all that much

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>>187211315

DPS on dual gauss is shit and every missed shot costs you 30 damage. Personally I've never been a fan.

>>187205572
http://ironclad.com/all-kong-gloves/kong-original/
Shit, these are actually kinda neat.

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>>187205572
>not having one of these...

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>strolls in with dual shotguns

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>>187215007
>putting Bombashill out of his misery
noice

>>187200553
I've tried Hawken before, it's nice but it's just not scratching that itch if you catch my drift? I don't know why

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>>187215007
My dude, dual LBX's are the best

>>187197064

Random ancient Chinese warriors are not getting added, no matter how much ayyyyliao you do.

>>187212959

Did he basically just stick all his tonnage into AMS ammo and the weakest-ass guns he could find were an afterthought?

>>187214505

Yeah, I have family that work in ND/Montana for an oil company. First time I saw those, I was amused.

>>187218586
>>187215007

I never paid much attention to LBX's, but I've been seeing some really impressive performances with them in matches recently and it's given me the urge to put a build together around them. I'm not sure I have anything that well suited to them though.

>>187220828

It's like any other spread weapon- it's effective if you can minimize the spread. LB-20X get there rather fast due to sheer saturation and naturally being up-close guns.

Add in HMLs/SRMs or the like and you're ready for brawl.

Is Gargoyle just a shitmech? It has so, so little free tonnage and there's nothing you can do to free any up.

>>187221008
Just run lasers in the arms and go fast

>>187220828
LBX 10's have a pretty decent range averaging about 540 meters so. Personally they're my favorite weapon to use on my Marauder 5D

>>187214505
>>187220230
They're on sale
http://thatdailydeal.com/preview.php?id=47405#

t. 3D

>>187222378
I wonder how well dual LBX 10s would work on a bushwacker.

>>187222507
Rather well.

>>187222507
I have one, it's good times.

>>187222507
Totally, it has great hardpoints for it as well

Think a Thrustmaster t1600 would be viable for MWO or should I stick with Keyboard/Mouse. I have it for my dad game Star Citizen just thought I could configure it for Mechwarrior.

>>187225141
>joystick

Yeah no you'll be a mouthbreathing steering wheel retard

>>187225141
Joystick is cool for movement if it has enough buttons, but mouse is the only viable option for aiming

>TFW still need to do faction play and information warfare challenges

Haven't played in like a year

Has the skill overhaul gotten rid of the ridiculous "buy three mechs before you can unlock second tier skills" shit?

>>187226596

Yes. You can just buy a single variant of any mech now and fully skill it.

>>187227302

Wow they did something right for once

>>187225141

If you actually want to hit something, use a mouse + keyboard. Joysticks for targeting are for oldgolds still stuck in MW4 mode and the previous century.

>play on yurop
>autistic german screeching

>top damage by far in a meme lynx

hmm

Should I play G-Nome?

Cougar v. Adder

Who is best mech?

So I haven't played MWO in a good long while and I was craving a bit of mech fun.
I'm curious balance wise what changed since I left. How did the Clan/IS balance end up? I remember for a bit clan was just better (it seemed) did that eventually even out?

Did any good mechs fall down to useless or did any useless ones jump to good?

What are some halfway good IS mediums and Heavy's? Ideally with more than one good variant. (I'd rather have a medium but last I remember IS mediums weren't exactly too useful)

>>187238976
I played G-nome a long time ago before I knew it was kind of a shitty game and enjoyed it plenty.

I mean it's not a great game I don't think but I had some fun with it.

Slow day.

>>187244452
I'm going out on a date with my mech-fu. There will be spilled autocannon rounds- EVERYWHERE.

>>187236131
>Streamy lightning PPC's like MW4 intro
>Game had projectile PPC's
>MWO comes along in Cryengine 3, opportunity to do pimp ass lightning-y PPC's
>Ghetto looking projectiles again

Truly the most disappointing even of my entire life

>>187248478
EVENT

>>187239404
Cougar, everybody loves cougars

>>187248478
Do you not have particles on very high?

PPCs are beautiful in MWO, by far the best looking weapon. Clan LRMs are just behind them.

>>187249837
Is she supposed to look like a downie?

>Team has:
>LRM boat assault sitting further back than anyone else besides one
>Chain firing laser highlander who has an ultra ac/10 which they keep missing with because it's grouped with the chain firing lasers and never lets himself go above 25% heat and some SRM and LRMs thrown in for good measure both fired at the wrong times
>An afk assault who was obviously further back than the lrm assault
>Still win

HOW BAD WAS THE OTHER TEAM?

>>187239463
The eternal balance wars continue. Kodiak is down thanks to engine-agilty decouple, for example.

Bushwacker? Solid. Roughneck? Mediocre. Uziel? Absoshitty. Some robots like the Cataphract really benefit from new LFE engine options, too. MRMs are fun but not game breakers, ER MLs are popular, UAC/10 or 20 are valid choices, and RLs are troll launchers that can supersplat once before being gone. RACs are OK too. The IS arsenal gets a lot of nuances...light ferro too.

>>187253137

More potatoes than Ireland's national harvest.

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>>187253361

That's not saying much.

Do you still need to level multiple models of the same mech to get the most out of it or can you get by just using the one you actually like?

>>187253916
You just need 1, no more rule of three.

>>187253916

Just one now. No more three needed to elite anything.

>>187253671
Actually, 2016 was a pretty good year.

[Spoiler]No idea on 3057.[/spoiler]

>>187254532
3057 was the 20th potato famine it was a particularly bad year as Ireland had just switched to potato powered hover buildings, trillions died.

>Disconnect that never connects
>Its almost always an assault

Can they be banned from playing assaults? It's a waste of everyone else's time.

Who wants to play FP?

>>187256387
It'd be great if PGI added 'DC'ed at the 'ready' screen then never logged back in' since I have a real hard time believing that it's on accident, they just don't want to play that map with that mech.

>>187256524
IS or Clanner?

>>187222507
>>187222759
>>187222864
>>187223321
Well just purchased a Bushwacker at put two on and first game was great.


10/10 would put giant shotguns on again.

>>187256387
>>187256659
Probably a crash to desktop then rage quit. I had one match on HPG with 5 DCs (3/2) but I was the only one to reconnect that left us still down 2.

>>187257672
It's a hell of a lot of fun, ain't it? I love mine. I like RACs in it, but the LB10s just feels better.

>>187257672
It's my goto mech these days, it's just too much fun...glad you like it too, Anon

>>187257003
clanner

>>187257672
>>187258143
>>187258272
How much ammo do you guys usually run with?

>>187260872
Think I bring 5 tons or so

>>187260872
4-5 tons if I remember right. and I think 1 ERSL, maybe an ERML.

Whats a good build for King Crab nowadays? Currently running with 2 RAC 5s and 4 lmgs and can core a mech at med to short range in about 10-15s. I used to use the 4 UAC 5s Dakka build until I started playing again recently. However in FW I get my shit pushed by Clan mechs. Do I need to git gud again or is my build in the wrong?

>>187261663

I switched my KGC-000 back to 2xAC20 with some backup energy and I'm doing better in it. A couple rocket launchers fit too for trolling.

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>Archie comics dead
>Sonic mania is the best shit ever

Vass, get the blast processors.

>>187261819
but vass is in jail homie

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>machineguns internally

Connor-kun is so cool lol

rip

ded

Anyone play Mechwarriors 1 through 4 still just for the hell of it?

>>187279421
I replay 3 and 4 from time to time, but not really 2. As much nostalgia as I have for it I find the others more interesting to replay.

And forget MW1.

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>mwo

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>When someone recognizes my name in game
Fuckin cool, it's nice to meet other armored core fans

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>>187280030
>And forget MW1.

Eh, the Japanese version is fun for the heck of it. Looks and plays like a really decent early PC game.
The MSDOS version, on the other hand, looks like the sort of shit you show to people to make sure they never touch DOSBOX again.

MW2 is generally a piece of crap, but it has a godly soundtrack.

Armored Core PS4 when?
I don't give a fuck about your endless melee simulators!

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>When the LMG crits just right

Ok, how to I navigate this skill tree shit

Do people just dump all their points into 1 tree and just grab the important nodes like speed tweak etc?

>>187288069
Invest heavily in firepower and survivability

Take as much of the Consumable Tree as you can stomach

With whatever is left over, Operations is alright. The other trees are memes.

Mobility is only useful for lightmechs and requires lots of points for the things you want (speed tweak).

>>187288195
Alright, so I purchase skill points with my historic exp?

>>187288559
Yes, historic mech XP should always be used first.

>>187288781
righto, thanks

>>187288781
hang on, it costs me 10m cbills to convert mech exp to sp

>>187288195
>Mobility is only useful for lightmechs
Objectively false, even on a heavy you're likely gonna get +5kph out of tweak at minimum and that makes a huge difference in whether you make it to cover with your team or get caught out of position and explode. If you're insanely tanky with armor quirks then you're likely to get more value out of survival, but on 'mechs without quirks survival isn't gonna be as useful as being able to better disengage with inceased accel/decel and top speed. Hell, some 'mechs will even take both survival and mobility, if they're heat efficient enough to not care about operations and don't need to dip into sensors for ECM stuff. There's a reason speed tweak was the most important thing to unlock before skilltree, and even with engine desync that reason is still relevant as ever.

>>187289209
Only convert 91 skill points, you can't put more than that into your 'mech at once. It'll run you about 4 million, which is still high, but technically cheaper than the module system if you didn't switch modules between 'mechs, which everyone did, but the pig refused to acknowledge that so here we are.

>>187289209
You don't have historic mech SP?

Did you master the mech? If so, you should have 91SP for the mech. Otherwise yes the skilltree costs money to buy Skill Points. It's a little convoluted but it's like this:

Skill Nodes require Skill Points. You get skill points for any mech you unlocked skills in the old system, up to 91 if you mastered it.

If you didn't you need to buy skill points, which costs XP/GXP/HXP and cbills.

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>All these skills to reduce laser duration

... this is a good thing right? The same amount of damage is reduced into a smaller time frame or something?

>>187289471
>>187289509
Ah, alright I got it.
Shame about seismic being a bitch to get now.
I'm trying to skill my laser hunchback, are the armor bonuses really that useful for a medium? I feel like I should be focusing on mobility instead

>>187289574
That's how it should work, then again
>piggy coding

>>187289471
>mobility tree defender

The bonuses are negligible and you're way better off taking other ones on most mechs. It costs 14SP to get 3/5ths of Speedtweak. It's not worth it. Investing into survivability is always better.

Know what was always better than taking speedtweak in the old system? Taking a heavier mech. That's exactly what survivability is for. What you're effectively saying is that you valuable mobility over health, and that you can't run a mech that's slower than, what, an EBJ?

If you can put up good numbers in a Supernova, you have no reason to ever take the mobility tree on lighter robots. It's a meme. You can't keep up with your team in an 80~kph mech? 5kph won't make a difference because it's clear you're retarded at that point.

Let's take a look at raw numbers:

A TBR goes from 17.72 to 19.58kph/s and 6kph speed, for 21 whole points.

A Linebacker goes from 49.94 to 54.7, and 97 to 105.

Grasshoppers go from 29.26 to 32.33, and less speed than either of the above.

None of these are worth 21 points and you are crazy if you think otherwise. Survivability is worth more, firepower is worth more, and the mediocre operations tree is worth more on anything that isn't a pure ballistic boat.

>>187289574
Yes, that's how it works. Lasers are very strong right now and get the best buffs from the firepower tree.

>>187289471
>There's a reason speed tweak was the most important thing to unlock before skilltree

Because it was the biggest value elite skill, but the most important unlock was double basics.

>>187289471
>even on a heavy you're likely gonna get +5kph out of tweak at minimum and that makes a huge difference in whether you make it to cover with your team or get caught out of position and explode.

If an assault mech can keep up, so can you. Your team should roughly be pacing themselves with the assaults. Any mech going above 60kph will not be left behind if you have any skill at all, and the acceleration bonuses require a massive investment to get appreciable numbers from. Even then they aren't all that big of values. Speedtweak was important before because there was no choice and out of the elite skills only two mattered, Fast Fire and Speedtweak. One was literally useless and did nothing and the other just made you start up faster. No shit people prioritized the +10%/+7.5% speed boost, it was effectively free. Now there are decisions to be made.

And as already said the most important unlock pre-ST was getting double basics, which was head and shoulders above every other unlock and what truly made the difference between mastered and unmastered mechs.

>>187289471
Speed isn't the most important thing on the mobility tree at all. Torso twist speed nodes will give the mech a massive bonus to its ability to aim accurately with torso guns and tank damage by spreading it around.

The minimum investment in the Mobility tree should be typically one side or the other, with lighter mechs preferring the right side because they are already agile, while heavier mechs going for the left side to enhance their responsiveness. Most good builds that aren't kitchensink loadouts will have plenty of points left over from the firepower and survival tree to spend filling up a side of this crucial one. Taking all of the survival tree can block this but that should only happen on the absolute most quirkiest tankiest mechs to take advantage of the inflated bonus HP, and even then that is simultaneously also an argument to not take every single survival HP node.

>>187290003
>calling a minimum of 5 kph negligible
Meanwhile, your survival tree is giving you, what, MAYBE 10-15 extra hitpoints per component on the average unquirked 'mech? Which doesn't even save you, because again unless you have armor quirks most of what you get is gonna be structure, and then you get your weapons critted out and might as well be dead anyway. That ~5 KPH can let you get behind shit and never lose your armor in the first place. Again, if you have decent enough armor quirks, I agree with you that survivability is gonna get you more power per point. However, on shit that doesn't get that, you're better off avoiding damage by using mobility to not get hit, rather than trying and failing to tank it.

>What you're effectively saying is that you valuable mobility over health
Unless you're in an assault, yeah absolutely. Obviously I'm not gonna suggest cramming speed tweak on something like a Stalker, but I don't understand why you can't appreciate the difference between going 75 and 81 in a heavy, or 82 and 86 in a medium.

>>187290392
>If an assault mech can keep up, so can you. Your team should roughly be pacing themselves with the assaults
You wanna rethink that stance? By this logic all heavies and mediums don't need more than ~64.8kph, because if they can keep up with the assaults then it's fine. Every meta build ever used clearly contradicts that opinion, so feel free to come back with a more convincing argument.

>>187290656
See, this is an argument I can get behind. While I personally prefer to take all of tweak, this is a good well-written argument with good points and proper explanations. I've done this myself on a few 'mechs where I really wanted the survivability, and it's definitely been worth it. There's still no real reason to skip mobility altogether unless you're in an assault 'mech or insanely megaquirked for defense, but if you absolutely insist on putting survival on everything at least get 3/5ths of tweak as well.

>>187291293
>75 and 81
Because the difference is totally negligible and you won't be getting anywhere that matters faster. Your team will be moving at a slower rate than that almost every time because assaults move slower.

>>187291293
> Every meta build ever used clearly contradicts that opinion, so feel free to come back with a more convincing argument.

Does it? I must have forgotten how the Night Gyr came out and completely invalidated that view point up until now when Gauss/PPC got the axe for it. Did you know most meta mechs are Clan mechs with locked engines who can't choose to lower their speed? Notice how the IS mechs that are used don't use their maximum engine cap? It's almost like speed isn't as important as you are making it out to be and that the competitive players would take gunboating over agility every time. Don't believe me? See how prevalent the Night Gyr was in MRBC. Think back to how strong the Dire Wolf was before the Kodiaks and Supernovas came out to invalidate it.

More guns, more health trumps speed every fucking time.

>>187291293
>By this logic all heavies and mediums don't need more than ~64.8kph

They don't? Did you forget how strong the Night Gyr was and still is? Even for brawling the slower Orion IIC was being used more than the much more agile and jump-capable Timber Wolf. Why? Health quirks and podspace.

>>187291293
>Meanwhile, your survival tree is giving you, what, MAYBE 10-15 extra hitpoints per component on the average unquirked 'mech? Which doesn't even save you, because again unless you have armor quirks most of what you get is gonna be structure, and then you get your weapons critted out and might as well be dead anyway. That ~5 KPH can let you get behind shit and never lose your armor in the first place. Again, if you have decent enough armor quirks, I agree with you that survivability is gonna get you more power per point. However, on shit that doesn't get that, you're better off avoiding damage by using mobility to not get hit, rather than trying and failing to tank it.
If this were true, then the first half of the match wouldn't be full of dead light mechs.

The Linebacker singlehandedly made all light mechs obsolete.

>>187291293
If there was some theoretical Clan medium 55 tonner that had great hardpoints and a 255XL (75kph) locked people would flock to it for the whopping 27-30t of podspace. Why are the Hunchback IIC and Huntsman considered stronger than the Stormcrow? Why was the Nova considered stronger than the Stormcrow when it was still massively oversized? Oh right, health quirks, armor quirks, and bigger payloads are more important than even a whole extra 15kph of speed.

What should I do with my cougar?
Give it ATM's and AMS and escort assaults?

>>187292770
Which variant?

>>187291884
>again implying every 'mech in the game should just go 64.8kph
>using literally one build, a heavy build that gets away with low speed solely due to the range of the weaponry, as an example that all meta builds actually only go 64.8kph
You still haven't defended the idea that a medium should be going that slow. You're also implying that not taking max engine cap is a sign that speed is undervalued, when the reality is that most of the 'mechs in the game won't go to engine cap because they're gonna take their engine rating in a multiple of 25 because that's the most efficient, not because speed is bad. But really, you have two points here, and you're trying to imply they're the same point when they aren't. So here, lemme answer both you and >>187292005 and also >>187292535 at the same time since you're all making the same mistake.

>More guns, more health trumps speed every fucking time.
Only half of this statement is true. We both agree that cramming a stupidly big engine in and sacrificing firepower is dumb, because firepower is more important than speed. However, health is not inherently more important than speed, and it depends heavily on the given 'mech's defensive quirks which is more important. The onion brawler beats out the timber solely because of its ability to mount more guns, and even then only gets to function because of its armor quirks.

Also, to answer >>187292535 more specifically, by this logic the Cougar should be the best clan light since it's hard locked at 81, the slowest of their omnimech options. And yet, it's not very popular, with the cheetah and now the mist lynx thoroughly outperforming it.

>>187292207
>If this were true, then the first half of the match wouldn't be full of dead light mechs.
>The Linebacker singlehandedly made all light mechs obsolete.
This is just shitposting, right? You don't really believe this? What kind of trash light pilots are you playing with? I don't even know where to begin with this, so I won't.

>>187291293
Let me ask a simple question: do you think light weight classes offer any advantage? Do you think, in competitive formats, people would take any composition other than 8 Mad Cat MK IIs if there weren't restrictions in place to prevent that?

You would maybe, maybe see one light mech for scouting. The rest would be assaults. If you accept this than you cannot deny emphasizing speed is an inferior choice. The name of the game is overwhelming firepower and it always has been.

>>187292978
I have all of them but I was looking at the blood adder in particular, does one stand out from the others?

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>>187293058

>*Gets behind your assault while i'm in a light mech, and you can't do anything but blow up*

heh, nothing personal kiddo

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>mfw the 5xAC2 jager still works

>>187293002
>by this logic the Cougar should be the best clan light

The Cougar does not have the hardpoints or health to be the best light. The reason the MLX and ACH are used is because they have excellent hitboxes and hardpoint layouts, now both being late game crit cleanup mechs. The Cougar can't do this. Why is the MLX being used over the smaller, more agile Locust, or the Jenner IIC with overwhelming alpha abilities? Hitboxes, and lights are (in competitive) expected to fulfill a very particular role. It's worth noting the Cougar won't be seeing comp usage for a while yet, but we could very well see heavy laser vomit builds being used on it. One of the current popular builds is 6ML 1LPL, which is tremendous firepower, and might well be used in certain decks.

Let me flip this back around though. Remember when cSPL were still good? Remember when the Purifier suddenly became a fucking god because of the overwhelming firepower it could take? The exact same thing is happening with the Cheetah and Mist Lynx right now. If the Cougar was the one with 8 ballistics and 2 energy you'd see them everywhere, too, but it's not. Your point has done nothing but reinforce mine that it's offensive capabilities that makes the mech meta, not speed. Christ, the MLX doesn't even go fast.

As for mediums, as pointed out people willingly take slower mediums to bring more firepower. You won't see a sub-70kph medium used because of diminishing returns for the engine and the fact you have to start taking less than 10 truedubs to do that even on a 55 tonner. This cuts into firepower. What you're failing to understand is that there are limitations on what the mech can do with the extra tonnage. People would definitely cut the Grasshopper's engine if they could actually get anything worthwhile out of doing so, but you can't - you run out of space for DHS. The same is true of Omnimechs where you literally can't change things.

>>187293292
Well its just that their all omnipods, and only have access to the first 3 until they all come out for cbills.
The Cougar is Light that plays as a Medium, I know you can get jump jets with the H Left and Right Torsos. A Sample build that i'd probably build and play if I had all the variants. http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=578&l=4e73af1c3eb9ab6d760eaf021c043f91c8f2de32

>>187293373
*smirks as you walk right into our overlapping fields of fire from positioning too intelligent for your feeble mind to comprehend*
*tips fedora as 12x Clam Goose removes you from existence*
Nice try... Kid.... Maybe come back when you've gotten stronger..........

>>187293292
6ERML 1LPL. 4ML in the right arm, 1LPL in the right shoulder, 1ML in the head and LT. Stronkest Cougar by far.

2ERPPC on the stock Prime and nothing else works if you enjoy pepsis, set of 8 gives you a total of 20.75% heat gen on them. If you want proper poptarting you can toss on a JJ torso or two, and ECM if you really want, but in my experience the Prime has been the best for PPCs due to basically never overheating.

4ASRM6 and a Flamer is of course perfectly serviceable if you want more brawl.

>>187293058
Yeah, I do think people would do different things than just 8 Mad Cat MKIIs if weight restrictions didn't exist. I think if 8 Mad Cat MKIIs were a popular choice then people would pick team comps that would explicitly counter them, which would not be meeting them brute-force with more assaults, it'd be bringing an 8-stack of fast heavies and 55ton mediums and jumping them before they could even turn around. Shit like Linebackers, certain Marauder builds, maybe even some bushRACers thrown in for good measure. Because if I bring the same number of guns and armor as you, then the odds are even and I only stand an average chance of winning 50% of the time. On the other hand, if I exploit the enemy team's objective disadvantage, then I have an advantage over them, and am likely to win more than just 50% of the time. This doesn't apply to the game as is, because we do have weight restrictions, but if we didn't then the meta would probably settle on heavies, not assaults, because they're the best at bringing good firepower and respectable agility to not get blown out the ass when flanked.

>>187293806
Again, I think we're having a misunderstanding. I already agree with you that firepower beats out speed in the majority of cases, I literally just got done saying that in the post you replied to. The point of debate here was speed versus health, obviously firepower usually beats both of those but that's not what's being discussed. That being said, I don't agree that the Cougar would beat out the MLX or ACH in the machinegun category if it had the hardpoints, because machineguns are one of the few weapons that very much rely on speed to be able to get in range and survive the facetime required to get their damage and crit potential. None of the other 'mechs you listed are examples of trading between health and speed though, so I don't have much else to add here.

>>187295058
That's not how it worked out. The game was played at one point without restrictions and the result was exactly what happened. All those mechs aren't going to do shit against the health and firepower advantages of the assaults. If the map was Conquest Polar Highlands, maybe. But if it is just skirmish, since we're talking about mech v mech effectiveness, the lighter team has a handicap. If you want to try and play peeky-pokey hide and seek games the MK IIs will just load up on ERLLs and burst you down everytime you try and shoot them, so on and so forth with any combination you want to make. The raw health and firepower while still retaining non-crippling mobility would make them utterly dominant against lighter decks. You would have a better change with Gargoyle rushes, but then that's still maximum assaults either way.

>>187295058
>Speed versus Health

The Urbanmech is considered a great mech right now because of its incredible health. The Wolfhound is considered likewise stronger than the competition because of its armor quirks. People are taking 6MGs on the MLX instead of 8 because you can get one arm that has health quirks and MG RoF to make up for the loss of one MG, and as anyone who has played the MLX knows the arms fall off immediately when someone decides to look at you. The same is rather true of the Cheetah as well.

People took the HBK-4SP for massive health quirks over the SCR, which despite speed and superior trading ability AND firepower was considered too squishy in a post-health-quirk world. Health quirks are the sole reason the Nova became more used than the SCR, because that started happening even before the rescale.

The Black Knight became one of the strongest heavies in the game, albeit somewhat briefly, when it had huge health quirks and yet still went slower than the Timber Wolf. The Atlas is and always was considered the stronger between it and the Spirit Bear, both of which mount the exact same build with the latter having a fairly insane speed advantage. The only reason the Spirit Bear was praised was for fitting into a fast deck that quickly took the brawl to the enemy when you were expecting them to not have a brawl deck, otherwise the Atlas beat it everyday. Why? Health.

Why did the Oxide get used over the Jenner IIC? Why did the Blackjack spike dramatically in usage when it had big health quirks? Why did people use the Battlemaster-2C over the others with 3E per ST?

I could really keep going if you want.

I'm kind of new and looking to fill out my weight classes with IS mechs (maybe a clan here or there but I like IS)
Mostly I'm concerned about avoiding trash mechs I don't care if I end up in just okay ones.

So I guess what are the IS medium/heavy/assault mechs to avoid?

Side note what's a good ECM/Stealth mech?

>>187296396
Let's break down these comparisons you've made one at a time, because once again you're confusing speed advantage for firepower advantage.

>HBK versus SCR
HBK won because IS SRMs are objectively superior to clan SRMs, this has less to do with defense and more to do with damage output, which is why the HBK wins.

>BK versus TBR
Again, was mounting more firepower at better heat management. Clan lasers have always been like piloting a walking microwave, so when the BK showed up being able to mount more lasers than the TBR, it became a better option. This isn't even including the nerfs to clan lasers, or the negative quirks on the TBR's energy-boat side torso.

>AS7 versus Spirit Bear
As said before, IS SRMs beat out their Clan counterparts, and IS ballistics beat clan ballistics. The single-shell IS AC/20 beat out the 4-shell clan UAC/20, and even now with civil war tech the IS UAC/20 is a direct advantage over its clan counterpart, since it only spreads the damage between 3 shells rather than 4. Also, you even said it yourself that the Bear's speed could be a leveraged advantage, which furthers my side of this argument, not yours.

>Oxide versus JR7-IIC
I don't need to repeat this again, it's because of IS SRMs.

>BLR-2C versus the others
Because due to ghost heat being set to 4 for IS Large Lasers back then, you only wanted 2E in each side torso anyway. Now that it's set to 3, the more meta build is 6 larges, which means people are in fact running BLRs that aren't the -2C, so this once again is an example of your argument defeating itself.

By all means, keep going. All you've proven so far is that firepower is better than speed within the same tonnage, which, once again, is something we already agreed on.

>>187297915
>HBK4SP
>damage output

I could have stopped reading there, but let's keep going.

>BK
>not hotter than the sun
It still had a lower alpha, the strength was that it could win trades in its optimal range due to the higher health and shorter duration, not for running any cooler.

>Spirit Bear
>running AC20 or UAC20 and not LB20
>spread mattering when the SB can close to point blank
It also only got that advantage when it was facing something it naturally had an advantage over. Well organized brawl teams tend to do that when your enemy has tons of ERLLs. You are getting dumber point by point.

>Oxide
>Spread being its claim to fame, not being unkillable
>Spread mattering for assblasters

>BLR
>using 4ERLL and not 5
>implying 6LL builds are used on BLRs now

Stop posting you don't know what you're talking about anymore.

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>>187297915
Did you really just suggest the 4SP beat the SCR on damage output?

And that the Oxide was used for IS SRMs? Then why did it stop being used when they nerfed the health, genius?

>>187299016
Don't forget they nerfed the agility before they nerfed the health and literally nothing changed in its usage.

>>187298526
>I could have stopped reading there, but let's keep going.
What a wonderful non-argument we're starting with, can't wait to see where you go from here.

>It still had a lower alpha, the strength was that it could win trades in its optimal range due to the higher health and shorter duration, not for running any cooler.
It had a lower alpha by 4, a better maximum DPS by 1.99, and better heat management by 4%, not including quirks. So yes, it did run cooler, and yes, it did sling more damage down-range for longer than the TBR could.

>Oxide
>Spread being its claim to fame, not being unkillable
Who mentioned spread? I'm talking about the raw increase in damage IS SRMs have over Clan counterparts, which is a direct firepower advantage.

>only using 5 lasers on the BLR when you could be using 6
If you're not at least matching the firepower of a STK-4N, then why are you in a BLR at all?

>>187299016
I'm gonna need you to specify what SCR build we're talking about here, I may have misunderstood on this one. As for the Oxide, it fell out of popularity after it lost health because jenner hitboxes are trash, and without having more health to compensate you're better off mounting the same weaponry in a different light 'mech with better hitboxes.

>>187299714
>raw increase in damage
>4SRM4 vs 6SRM6
Sorry but literally no Jenner IIC ever ran 4SRM4 and only that, which is the only case an Oxide would have a damage advantage.

>BLR not running 6 lasers
I didn't say they didn't use 6, I said they didn't use 6ERLLs and they don't. STK-4N has long since had its quirks reduced and is no longer 6LL king and hasn't for ages.

Also,
>having to ask what SCR build
>implying any SCR build doesn't output drastically more damage than a 4SP

Let me break it down for you and save some time. The 4SP's damage output is utterly atrocious. Literal fucking garbage. You did not take it for damage at all, you took it to be a distraction mech for your other mechs to rally behind. Combined with solid hitboxes it was effective at doing just that, whereas SCRs would get focused immediately, legged, and then killed because they had no health quirks and speed doesn't make a fuck when you're capped at 40kph after the opening salvos. Even the Griffin - still slower! still less firepower! - became a favorable choice over the SCR.

You're right about the BK. It did have a higher alpha. The firepower wasn't what made the mech though. Proven again exactly by it falling to the wayside when it lost part of its HP.

As for the Battlemaster the predominant build was 5ERLL on the -2C or 3LPL 2ML. The builds it uses have not changed at all except that the -2C isn't as monstrous as before. You don't have the heat to mount 6ERLL effectively, but you can do 3LPL 3ML. Otherwise it hasn't changed. LLs are not a thing that have been used on any mech in recent memory beyond the STK-4N's brief reign, because otherwise you take the LPL or ERLL depending on what you want.

And what SCR builds? 12cSPL of course, the ultimate brawling loadout for the past year before they got nerfed. 4ASRM6 and 4 flamers/ERSLs were also used before small pulse boating caught on.

Too bad the Nova came along with better health and shit all over it, becoming THE brawl medium.

I used to use laser/SRM mad dog builds for brawling but they seem pretty shitty now. 3x SRM-6s with artemis feel like they do nothing against IS 70/75 tonners in FP (which they will have due to a tonnage advantage), its not agile enough to brawl compared to IS heavies, it has low mounted weapon arms and hitboxes are bad.

Thoughts?

>>187301187
>Oxide vs JR7-IIC
Then the problem comes down to the fact that the jenner is shaped like a worn-out shoe and suffers immensely because of it. It's not a matter of hitpoints, it's a matter of hitboxes, which is a different topic entirely when talking about how to invest in the skilltree, which is where this whole thing began.

>HBK vs SCR
So what you're saying is that they serve entirely different roles, which therefore means comparing them is just as stupid as comparing an SRM bomber to a large laser boat? If one is there to tank and distract while the other is there to shit out raw damage as effectively as possible, then comparing them as if they serve the same purpose is useless, and doesn't help my argument or yours.

>BK
It fell by the wayside when the WHM-6D came rolling in with much better hitboxes and the same weapons minus a single medium laser, and the laser "rebalacing" only served to make the BK even less desirable.

>BLR
>with 3 LPL and 2 or 3ML
Why the hell would you put this on an Assault? I can understand 5ERLL, but why would anyone be in a Battlemaster with less lasers than a Warhammer? Even with 5ERLL, I'd only ever consider wanting that over a 6LL 4N in faction play, but if the game mode doesn't roll siege then I'd still rather get more damage output+better hitboxes from the 4N.

>SCR vs NVA
Explain to me how the NVA has more health than the SCR, because from what I can tell the NVA gets literally one more structure point in the CT than the SCR, after its quirks, and then carries less armor because it's 5 tons lighter. The NVA gets bonuses from certain pods, but last I checked those pods weren't being used. Like, the 12-laser NVA gets +10 armor to each ST if it take the ST pods without any hardpoints, but that's it, and that's still only 6 more armor than the SCR has there. Unless there's some NVA build I'm forgetting, the NVA doesn't beat the SCR due to hitpoints, it beats it due to hitboxes, which is once again a different issue.

>>187305464
Both Jenners have awful hitboxes. The entire reason the Oxide was used was because of its HEALTH.

I'm saying the health was considered a major plus and made up for all the HBK's shortcomings because health is one of the most sought after quirks.

The BK didn't fall off because the of Warhammer, the Warhammer wasn't even allowed in the season the BK started to dominate.

People put it in the BLR because you had immense tanking potential and high hardpoints for medium range trading that saw you win battles of attrition against almost every mech in the game.

The NVA had stronger quirks once upon a time before it was nerfed after the rescale.

>>187257672

Yeah, it's very dakkafriendly, though it can also SRM splat respectably...or my favorite, RLs plus a few decent large guns.

>>187285209

Does that actually work better than quad LB-2X?

>>187307339
Works fine for me, I haven't tried 4LB2X since like last year or something on the HBK-IIC

>>187307629

Gotcha. On those, I always found jams ruined my shooting with that light a gun.

>>187307064
>Both Jenners have awful hitboxes. The entire reason the Oxide was used was because of its HEALTH.
It helped that no other IS Light could mount 4SRM4. The Oxide had literally no competition for its role, and even now the closest thing that could fit those weapons would be a JVN-10N, which is not only (currently) MC-only as well, but also has slightly worse quirks. I can only assume it has better hitboxes based on the look of it, but it's not like you can really be picky considering there's literally nothing else to put those exact weapons on. I agree that it fell off because it lost defensive quirks, but the "entire reason" it was used was not its health, it was its weaponry.

>HBK vs SCR
And I'm saying that the two 'mechs were used for two entirely different purposes and I don't know how you think we can compare them. You said yourself the HBK wasn't used to kill, it was used to tank and distract, whereas the SCR was never used to distract, but to kill. They were both piloted with completely different purposes in mind, so what is there to compare? It doesn't prove defense is worth more than raw firepower, because the HBK only filled the role it did due to its allies bringing raw firepower to take advantage of its defense. I also didn't think we were discussing raw firepower versus hitpoints, but then again this whole thing's miserably off track from where it started, which was survival tree versus mobility tree.

>BK vs WHM
How is it relevant if the WHM was in the game when the BK started to dominate? I know the BK came first, that's exactly why it got to have its glory days before the WHM showed up and rained on it.

>BLR
Fair enough I suppose, still seems a bit undergunned but from what you're saying I can only assume it was a designated damage-soaker for the team, which would at least partially justify the low firepower.

>NVA vs SCR
Fair enough, but considering that's the case, what stops the SCR from beating the NVA now, other than hitboxes?

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Witch of this 2 "lore builds" would you consider the superior one?

3xMedium Lasers, 2xlrm's 10, 6 Heatsinks and targeting computer:

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=163&l=605600b0d2f115046ad6edcfc0f244dfb917ec82

3xErSmall lasers, 2xlmr's 15+A, 4 Heatsinks:

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=163&l=14150a9da414c871d7c9d8fa8dbb5c5ad008e23e

I've tested the heavy smalls variant as well but the range is too restrictive.

>>187310950
>witch

>>187312361
>this

>>187312661
>that

Thinking about dropping $25 on the hero Executioner, anyone play Executioner well and have a good build for the chassis?

>>187313215
Don't.

>>187313457
But muh 120 damage alpha strikes with masc.

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>>187282559
IGN?

Mine is Xezberzs

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>>187313493

>>187313493
>>187314119
Trying to decide on a camo pattern?
So far I like virus over the others.

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>People complaining about cancer
>My 3+ year old camo is still covered by 3 year old cancer

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

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>>187314902
>There is a capfag RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW

>>187314902
>someone unironically thinks it's a good idea to cap first

>>187314902
Caps don't matter when the enemy's dead.

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>sub 200 damage

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Le power of memeguns

So I kind of want to make toughmech, as in a nice durable mech that has a bunch of passive skills in the defense tree. I understand this might be a bad idea but which route might be the best way of doing this? Ideally a mech with a lot of extra health/armor for its weight

>>187319552
Nigger everyone goes nearly full survivability tree anyways. No original thought there.

>Spectating Arrow
>4 Medium lasers and the rest machine guns
>Sits there shooting a maulers armoured leg forever with the MGs until it turns around and blasts the Arrow dead


Send Help.

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clans still OP

>>187322550
Clans arnt OP. We just have better cordination than IS

>>187315503
>>187315882

I've lost so many games to retards like you by getting out capped at the end with only 1-2 enemy mechs alive.

Get fucked.

>>187324696
k pato

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should be the last one

>>187324696
I agree, with this. Lights should be the one to go cap while the rest go to Theta and fight over that. We've even lost all our mechs and still won in a couple rounds like that cause we had the majority of caps before they started to split up.

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Yo, where my quad mechies at?

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>>187329497
Yeeeeeesssssss...

>>187329497

>Scorpion
>Barghest
>Great Turtle

All others a shit.

>road map has nothing except 2 maps in the far future
>either sniper maps or there will be a large totem pole in the middle of the map so pugs can nascar, so nothing new
>no new gamemodes and the old ones are still skirmish and "I can't believe it's not skirmish"
>event has no prizes worth mentioning but goes on forever
>player numbers are slipping back to minimally viable after people understood that nothing of value was added in the summer patches
>thread keeps slipping onto page 10 with only occasional shitposting keeping it alive
Good.

>>187338545
Yet we still get redditors like you posting.

>>187339085
Thanks for the (You), tumblrina.

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>>187344725

>that meme

lmao

>>187344725
Oh, the humanity!

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>UAC 20 Adder

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>Team consists of an MLP voip spammer
>A solo "flanking" DWF
>And 2 large fries worth of tater

>>187347930
I start every match telling my team I have 2800 lrms with me and they should help me rain salty death on our enemies.

>>187348354
>TFW you and the rest of your team start to berate the LRM potato

>>187347930
I make sure to let everyone know I'm new to the game.