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Welcome to the Sonic General. Here we talk all about everything Sonic! Share art and music, discuss about new developments, ROM hacks, speedrunning, comics, and more!

/sthg/ #885 - Mad Rat Edition

>Sonic News<
Sonic Mania has released on PS4, Xbox One, and Nintendo Switch! You can purchase the game digitally from each platform's respective digital stores. The PC version will be released on Steam on August 29th.

Sonic Mania - Launch Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Tka60EWWU

Sonic Mania Delayed on PC to August 29th
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/896047869773217797

No Mania DLC Planned
https://mynintendonews.com/2017/08/16/sega-says-that-there-are-currently-no-plans-to-bring-dlc-to-sonic-mania/

>General Interest Links<
EVENT: /sthg/ is currently doing a marathon of all the Sonic cartoons! The daily stream will start at 5PM EST with a second showing at 9PM EST.
A link to the room will be provided in the thread when the streams start and also here: https://pastebin.com/cSDTQwmM

General Link Compilation
http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK

Drawfag/Writefag Idea Walls
http://pastebin.com/j8KkPQ4n
http://pastebin.com/jNKKMk5b

/sthg/'s Drawfag Booru
http://theride.booru.org/

/sthg/ Level Development Kit 4.0:
https://mega.nz/#!WV8ThDbL!DsLYUlzdBiNX3CaJyJU-oeU8UNxdYPttzQ9LUJA7G7g

Sonic Boom Seasons 1 & 2 can be watched here:
https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Sonic-Boom
https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Sonic-Boom-Season-2

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WORKED THAT SUCKA TO DEATH
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>bakers in charge of making bread
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this ride isn't over yet, much as i'm sure many of us would like it to be
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So jealous of consolefags right now.
I haven't anticipated a game this hard since I was 10 years old.
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Bring back Fang and the hooligans full time
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>>186851483
>bro with a switch keeps texting me about how much fun he's having with mania
I'm with ya anon, the wait is killing me
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>>186851483
I'm over that after actually seeing more of the stages.
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I want to rip the cock off the fucker who designed Mania's special stages. Why in the actual hell would you deliberately design a 3D game system that plays terribly in a game that's meant to be a return to Sonic's 2D roots, and then design each of those levels in such a way that you have to either be ridiculously lucky or replay the stage multiple times to learn the optimal path to catch the UFO.
I get that Blue Sphere is too easy, but the way the special stages are handled is just needlessly frustrating and due to the complete lack of confidence that you'll be able to get an Emerald whenever you find a special stage ring, most players just grind a stage for easy to find rings instead of actually exploring and playing the game.

Why could it not have been something like Advance 2 or Sonic 2 8-bit, where you just have to find the Emerald or a couple of tokens in the level to get the Emerald. Who thought it was a good idea to destroy the reward for exploration by locking it behind a deliberately awkward and unfun minigame? It was shit in CD, did they really think it'd be better here.
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>>186852312
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>>186852437
Does anyone actually enjoy the special stages, though? Aside from whether or not you find them unbearable, does anyone really feel "Yes, I love chasing this UFO in knockoff Sonic R?"
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>>186852437
Anyone know how this fucker is doing in Mania? Is he getting his ass blown out?
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>>186852557
I didn't really have any problem with them. Sounds to me like some people are just upset that they can't effortlessly succeed at something on their first attempt.
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>>186852557
The music plays a big part in the enjoyment and Mach Speed 3 is pretty good. They're actually really easy once you know general tricks to the movement.
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>>186851774
Literally just play S3&K.
Mania is good, but the only really great NEW elements are aesthetic. Most of the new bosses are cool only the first time you fight them, and the new Zones are visually awesome but tend to center too heavily on gimmicks at the detriment of smooth gameplay, imo.
Special Stages are hit-or-miss, some people like
>>186852312
will hate them.
And the controls are just flat out fucking S3&K, they didn't even try to modernize them the slightest bit so you still get annoying input cancellations (game can't register Down at the same time as Right, you smack right into an enemy at top speed instead of rolling).
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>>186850143
It's a great track but it doesn't feel very Sonicy in my opinion. To me it sounds like music that would play in a lively town in an RPG or maybe an early level in adventure game. It has a very "hero setting off on a journey" vibe rather than "final level of the game where shit starts getting real" feel.
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I think I am disappointed because I realize there will never be a spiritual successor to the Sonic Advance series.
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>>186852982
>input cancellations
dude wtf my controller is droppin my inputs!!!!!

it's fun!
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>>186847280
What issue is that image from?
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>>186850143
I share your opinion.
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>>186852758
I wouldn't have a problem learning the stages over multiple attempts if I didn't also have to scour every stage, within a ten-minute time limit, or just abuse NG+ mechanics to do so. They could have canned Blue Sphere and just put the Special Stages in the goal rings and it would have worked a lot better (though I like the incentive to explore).

>>186852853
They're really easy once you've already learned each stage, sure. They're not even really difficult, the controls are just braindead. Challenge shouldn't come from forcibly handicapping the player.
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>>186853115
Mania literally can't register two button presses under certain conditions. I'm not actually sure if it's due to input cancellation or just how the game handles sprites changing or what, but it's been a thing since the first Sonic.
It's not really a big deal, just a pet peeve. Calm your shitposting, Phil.
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do you show off? Do you criticize? Are you just living by your own feelings?

What would Sonic say if he way what you were doing right now?
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>>186852312
personally i fucking hate them, but i love seeing shit like this regardless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z1Hjtklq60
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It is just...I think the Advance series, with more care put into level design (helped with a better resolution) probably could have had an installment as good as S3K, but with classic Sonic coming in this will never happen.
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>>186853367
He would be proud of my objectively superior taste.
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>>186853382
Shoutouts to the F-Zero GX speedrunning community for finding that glitch like 15 years ago.
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>>186852982
You forgot
>oil ocean 2
>as Knuckles
I'm there right now on a file with 5 Emeralds and 10 lives, and I've pretty much just abandoned it.
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>>186853434
Advance 2 with a new coat of paint and the Taxman treatment would be great. Sky Canyon's gotta get fixed though, fuuuck that stage.
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>>186852320
Yes Amy...sleep..


forever.
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>>186853367
Adventure Sonic would see a failure and leave without saying anything.

Sonic X Sonic would give me a cheesy but endearing "get your shit together" pep talk.

Sonic Boom Sonic would say that laying around doing nothing when you're supposed to be working is awesome and that there's nothing wrong with procrastinating and being useless especially when there's someone else to do it all for you
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>>186853808
It is surprising how much people bicker about the best Sonic Advance game, I really do think that show they are all very good.
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whats wrong with underground?
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>>186854046
Boom Sonic needs a good smack then.
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>>186854046

Fleetway Sonic would call you a faggot
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>>186854057
Dude, Sky Canyon is broked
The special stage rings could be changed too, its really awful to have to get every ring in one life and then do the annoying special stage. If it just remembered which rings you had gotten in each stage and let you do them non-consecutively it'd be much better.

Other than that, Advance 2 is pretty awesome. The multiple characters were great, and the stages are pretty memorable (Ice Paradise and Music Plant a best)
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>>186853959
>dat filename
Silly anon, Tails is a fox
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>>186854116
So Knuckles hasn't been a chad since Shadow the hedgehog?
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>>186854687
It's a shame her children made a vow but she was never found
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mods
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>>186854894
cum is infinite
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>>186854894
Stop.
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Heroes is the greatest Sonic game honestly, I don't wanna hear it
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what if we don't do this shit again you sick fuck
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>>186855047
Pretty sure you're the only person who does want to hear it.
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>>186855062
the kirb is upset
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If all of the Sonic characters were in a band, what instruments would they play?

Sonic - guitar and vocals
Amy - drums and back up vocals
Tails - moral support
Shadow - bass
Blaze - piano
Silver - triangle
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Infinite is Amy
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>>186855234
I don't know what you're smoking. obviously it's knuckles on drums

tails would play three different keyboard/synthesizers at once and handle all the weird effects

sonic would shred on the guiter and shadow would be the edgy bass player who always thinks his instrument is underrated

amy can be the waifu, i guess

they can be the Hellhogs and play speed metal
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>>186855234

What genre?
I pick Jazz

Rouge - vocals
Knuckles - backing vocals
Vector - bass / guitar
Tails - trombone
Amy - saxophone
Sonic - organ
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Sonic Heroes felt like one long tutorial.
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So I'm thinking about writing some lengthy Sonic fan fiction. It'll be a rebooted setting, which is already a little cheesy, I know, but I want to adhere somewhat to a familiar timeline and that feels like the best way to go about this sort of thing.

While I have a number of ideas kicking around, I'm curious what sorts of things people here would want. If you were in charge of doing things to "fix" or otherwise improve the story and or characters from the timeline spanning from Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) to Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)?
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>>186855559
I agree. It doesn't help that even in Hang Castle they're still explaining what the light dash is and have all of those signs around
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>>186855609
do yourself a favor

don't write lengthy sonic fan fiction
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>>186855685
Fuck him, do it anyway
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If Sonic was a train what kind would he be? What he have magnets in his wheels or just inside the doors?
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>>186855749
he would be a bullet train
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sonic made me get over my fear of water and drowning, what did sonic did for your life /sthg/?
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>>186855685
I'd draw comics, but I have pretty limited artistic talent outside of design. Instead I'll just include some illustrations with help from a friend of mine to accompany scenes rather than have to deal with the much greater task of actual comic making.
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>>186855797
What are you doing? Fear drives the man. You should stay very afraid of the water.
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>>186856045
well, you can't be afraid forever.
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>>186855797
I used to be extremely picky about what foods I ate. You know those greentexts about adults eating nothing but tendies? That was me, but not an overweight basement dwelling NEET. Everything about eating nothing but tendies (NO FUCKING NUGGIES) was me. Anyway, I decided to try chili dogs because of Sonic. It took awhile to work my way up. First I tried chili and loved it. Then I tried hot dogs and they were okay. Finally I tried chili dogs and loved them. After that I started making my own chili and forced myself to experiment with new ingredients. Now I cook all of my meals myself and use tons of spices and different cuts of meats and vegetables. I even grow my own rosemary and basil. I haven't bought frozen tendies in years. When I go out to eat I don't have to order off the kids' menu anymore

Sonic helped me become a competent adult
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>>186856141
God I want to destroy her.
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>every art teacher i had was a pretentious liberal arts type who disliked me at best
>always given mediocre grades for my art, even when i tried my hardest

It broke my esteem but it was a wake up call. I like drawing for fun but I'm not an artistic person
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>>186856232
any cooking recommendations while we wait for Mania?
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>>186855797
When I was 12 I bought the Sonic OVA on VHS. I watched it and loved it. Two weeks later I was hit by a car and this was the only thing I watched for weeks. I was too weak to get out of bed to find another movie to watch. My video games were hooked up to a different TV so I had nothing to play. Internet wasn't really a thing yet either so all I had was Sonic. This probably sounds extremely autistic but I feel like Sonic has always been there for me because of this. He was around during the best times of my life and the absolute worst. I can't say that about my family or friends. Just Sonic.
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>>186855548
>Rouge - vocals

I could see them as some kind of post war nightclub
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>>186856719
*Cosmic Eternity Plays Slowly in the Background*
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>>186856589
I made farro salad recently and it was delicious. It's mostly just farro and some herbs and spices boiled in chicken broth. Throw in some roasted tomatoes and chicken and it's a nice lunch. You can eat it warm or cold.

Any meals that that require some kind of overnight prep would be good while we wait for Mania, like chili or a steak . Having a nice meal to look forward to will make the week go by quicker
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>>186857364
sounds fantastic, i will get my cousin to do it.

i read that in shadow's voice, amazing
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>>186857753
you probably should have spoilered that image
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Lots of 3 day breaks probably coming up.
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>>186857396
Couldn't find a source but here's a link to the image.
http://imgur.com/U6dDona
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>>186857658
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>186857658
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>>186858012
Thanks
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Everyone, I need the absolute worst Archie art!
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>>186858239
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No idea if that guy is still here from a few threads back but Switch eshop just added paypay as an option.
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why doesn't anyone want to FUCK Amy in the ARCHIE comics?
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>>186854687
I don't see it
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>>186854687
I see areola anon
>>186857753
Enjoy your vacation
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What's silver deathly reacting to, /sthg/?
Also went for a slightly more cartoony expression, do you think it turned out okay?
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>>186860132
Nuff said
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>>186860650
oh fuck
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>>186859202

because Rouge is hotter and Honey made an appearance
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>>186859202
Clove exists.
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>>186862331
My African American ally.
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>>186861313
Just because there's sexier women doesn't mean other (cute) women won't get fucked. That's not how it works
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>>186862506
I don't really wanna stick my dick in "cute".
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I was kind of quietly hoping there'd be a Mania patch that would fill in the missing story bits, but I guess that's not a thing? It's legit my only real complaint about the game.
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>>186862704
I think people assumed the game wasn't finished with all the bugs people had been finding, but I guess they just aren't going to patch it unless it'll come simultaneously with the PC release, which is doubtful

It is pretty lazy to just give up on telling a story for half the game when they promoted that the level transitions were coming back. The game was even delayed already, what were they even doing the last few months?
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>>186862682
A lot of guys do
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>>186862829
Working on the game. They probably had no clue how much work the game was going to take and SEGA didn't want to give them any more extensions.
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>>186863785
It was refreshing to hear Iizuka say that Mania has little cut content, but that kind of makes me think that the story really was tacked on because of the lack of cutscenes and the fact nobody has a real ending but Sonic in Egg Reverie. I guess the game was just envisioned as a Forces prequel and they let Headcannon and Pagoda West just do whatever else they wanted with it with what seems like little interference
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>>186863063

and they belong in jail
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>>186864421
On one hand Nakamura doesn't have to explain Classic Sonic showing up in Forces in as much detail, but on the other it makes Classic feel more tacked on than he already is.
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>>186864421
I'm very glad they decided to delay it so they could get everything they wanted in the game. No cut levels and shit.

I believe they said at the panel the story went through multiple revisions, it's possible a Forces tie in was decided during one of them.
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>>186855797
Ruin it. Stupid rat.
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>>186866640
He didn't mean to.
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>>186855797
I realized I was a degenerate far sooner than I would have.
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>>186866640
Life in a lamp ain't that bad, Erazor.
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>>186855609
Organize certain games in a way that works best narratively, like Advance 1 before Adventure, Chronicles after Advance 3 and before '06, etc.

I've had ideas for writing lengthy Sonic fan fiction that's pretty much just the games together as one ongoing series, with 3 ""books"" based on the Eras, Genesis, Dreamcast, then that third unnamed Era that is no longer Modern, and the current Era. Era #3 would need a LOT of reorganizing and cleaning up. Sonic Chronicles would take place after Advance 3 and be the actual ending to the Dreamcast Era, and... I'm confused as to what to do with the Genesis Era after S3:K, cause of 4 and Mania and stuff.
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>>186856719
Ouch. I'm sorry.
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>>186855797
He gives me motivation speeches and stuff whenever I feel stressed and confused and having an existential crisis. He's always there when I need him, otherwise he's off somewhere else and there's a chance I won't see him for months.

...

What? Am I the only one who's actual real life best friend is like the real world counterpart of Sonic the Hedgehog?
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Sonic the Hedgehog: Volume 0
See where it all started. The origins of the blue blur and the egg shaped doctor, and their very first battles.


Sonic the Hedgehog: Volume I - Genesis

Dr. Eggman is back and better than ever, trapping animals in robots, and he's after the mysterious Chaos Emeralds, to power something massive. Can Sonic stop him, with the help of his new friend, Tails?

Sonic the Hedgehog: Volume II - Dreamcast

After a long time since the last adventure, Sonic returns, but so has Eggman. The secrets of the Knuckles Clan are brought to life, as Eggman unleashes the god of destruction upon Station Square. And who is the mysterious Shadow?

Sonic the Hedgehog: Volume III -

It's the next generation of Sonic the Hedgehog, as he travels across time, dimensions, the entire globe, storybooks, and even alien planets. Join him as he meets new friends, rivals, and enemies from all over.

Sonic the Hedgehog: Volume IV -
The discovery of a lost continent brings deadly new threats to Sonic's World, and then, the impossible happens as Eggman...wins?! The stakes are at an all time high, as Sonic faces the greatest challenges of his life.
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>>186858012
>>186858142
It's CaptainJingo
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Barely over 100 posts in and already everything is shit.
Nice General Sonicbabs.
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>>186869276
>Consistent series that regularly pushes out okay games
>Still no general

What's your excuse?
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>>186869435
Stupid blue pineapple the Nintendo general is the Merry-O general, it's set up as a single house unlike the divided SEGA house where only the one with the biggest fanbase gets its own general while others rot away until SEGA decides to make a low effort phone game or VR cash in.
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>>186869617
>no general dedicated to just mario
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>>186869617
Nice to know most Nintendo franchises don't have enough substance for a general. How's it feel that Fire Emblem is more interesting to talk about?
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>>186869695
>Dead Fortress 2
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>>186869750
it was the only laughing image i had ;~;
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>>186869717
Feels alright knowing another Nintenbro franchise doing well. What's it like being alone? yakuza isn't going to be talked about until a new game pops out in the west eventually and Shenmue 3, numbered after the many people looking forward to it, is far away from completion.
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>>186869750
>TF2
>Dead
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>>186870509
TF2's reputation is dead but it's unlikely the game itself will never die, furthering the lack of desire for Valve to ever make another new game
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>>186870509
>TF2's Current player numbers
>Those Play Unknown numbers
>Dota 2 and Counterstrike are still alive and kicking
>People still playing Grindframe
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>>186855797
>>186856232
>>186856719
>>186867757
These are really sweet, anons. I'm glad that Sonic helped you.

As for me, mine is similar to Motivational anon and OVA anon. I try to internalize the positive things out of him and the series since it was the main non-human source of learning typical morals and themes such as friendship.

I felt that I can relate with the series being a general underdog/acquired taste.
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>>186870046
Kirby is the only Nintendo franchise worth anything. Also F-Zero, but no sign of that anytime soon. Why bother anyway since Sega already made the best version of one of your own IPs? Have fun with your bah bah bah wop wop music, Mr. Bing Ding Wahoo.
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>>186856409
I think I noticed that I draw very occasionally as a hobby but nothing that I could pursue as a career or anything more than that, and I think that's okay.

It's good to have something as a hobby to do during downtimes.
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>>186868534
Is this for the new children's books next year, anon?
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Hey /sthg/ I'm a huge crush 40 fan but I found this power metal song that really reminds me of their work, especially the vocals, and I thought you guys would like to hear it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTSLVx7dgE
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>>186870960
>Kirby is the only Nintendo franchise worth anything
Oh come now, even if you have your own personal opinions or let /v/ talk you out of anything you can't deny Nintendo still has other strong IP's which are alive like Donkey Kong, new one's Like Xenoblade or ones that can sell a console like Zelda. Heck they're even trying to revive their old IP's on their big systems like Metroid by pulling a SEGA where they appeal to their divided fanbase by giving each side a game similar to the Classic and Modern split with a classic remakes and new Prime.
>B-but SEGA made the best F-Zero game!
True but shame SEGA can't pull that same magic with any of their old IPs eh? New Jet Set Radio when?
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>>186870960
Oh shit, you just fucking dropped the guy!
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>>186871345
Definitely gonna listen to this when I get home, thanks.
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>>186870701
>>186870728
Been waiting for year for an update that wouldn't dig a hole further in TF2's reputation. The Gunslinger and Loch-n-load nerf were the start to the great cataclysm.
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>>186871482
The new Donkey Kongs are good too, and X is just as good as GX. I just don't hold Nintendo in the same regards as Sega, Namco, Konami, Taito, etc. because of how they gave up on arcade games, and how most Nintendo franchises don't have any score attack gameplay and are just about reaching the ending and moving on to the next game.
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>>186871482
tfw Sonic can't get a rhythm game but a fucking gorilla gets it.
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>>186871729
MaiMai has Sonic music, my game center had a location test, and it might come back soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0p5YShBwGA
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>>186870728
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From people at Gamescom right now, there's a second Avatar mode for Forces where you basically get assist abilities from Sonic's friends.

https://lets-plays.de/sonic-forces-auf-der-gamescom-angespielt-180282/

>In the second Avatar mode, exclusively presented at Gamescom, avatars and classic Sonic characters combine their forces, resulting in a completely new arsenal of moves and abilities.
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>>186873275
FOUR gameplay styles? Good lord Sonic Team.
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>>186873458
I'll take it over Wispons
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>>186873458
It's basically the same as normal Avatar but with character assist abilities instead of Wispons.
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>>186873275
it'll be like all those Generations Missions where you could press Y to summon Amy so she'd you hit with her hammer and shit
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>>186873275
The more I hear about Forces the more I wonder whose idea started the whole thing. It's one thing for them to go for a darker tone for a boost game but Forces seems more like they're trying for storyfags, oc-fags, and multi-stylefags while not really completely going all in on any of them
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>>186873706
>Press Y to make Vector blast shitty music through Buddy's headset and kill him instantly
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>>186873908
Perhaps this is a test to see which elements are received well by the community. That's why they are casting such a broad net.
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>>186874153
>normies say that classic sonic in forces is the best gameplay style because of mania's success
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>>186874153
I wish I could be that optimistic. It feels more like they're throwing in everything that they've heard get positive remarks in the past without any regard to cohesion or polish.
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>>186874153
>which elements are well recieved
I was going to post "they should know by now" but then I remembered Iizuka being surprised at how much praise and hype mania was getting.
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>>186873706
If so, man, that's another thing recycled from Generations. This really doesn't seem like a game that got extra development time.
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>>186874593
Or him being shocked at people screaming for the Chao Garden to come back
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>>186873458
Assist abilities is not another gameplay style, it literally sound like how Gens handled it with missions.
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>>186873640
>>186875012
Slight hyperbole on my part. My bad.
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FORCES HATERS BTFO
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Remember when we only had one gameplay style, stages were fully 3D, the only objective was to get to the goal ring and it wasn't a semiautomatic single-player racing game?

I sure miss those times.
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>>186875153
did you rike it?
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>>186875309
>one gameplay style
sure buddy
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>>186875309
No because there are zero Sonic games that meet all of those criteria.
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>>186875309
No?
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>>186874856
It is possible the game's budget is lacking, leading to them having to re-use certain assets. Remember, Forces was being made around the time SEGA was doing their restructuring.

>>186875153
That's awesome news!
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>>186875624
Or they spent a lot of time and money on Hedgehog Engine 2.0
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You know it's kind of fucked up because Sonic 3 was so close to being finished before they had to release it

The Sonic 3 level select still has Flying Batter, Mushroom Valley/Hill and Sandopolis listed even though you can't access them. Which means the only thing missing in Sonic 3 was literally the climax of the game and they cut those zones to put in S&K for the game to feel like a full length adventure

Also why was it changed to Mushroom Hill?
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>>186875793
probably just to make it feel more like a Zone 1 Stage like Green HILL and Emerald HILL
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>>186875679
That's possible too.
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>>186875309
No.
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>>186875309
Nice try nerd.
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>>186852312
It's not blue sphere so I love it
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>>186873275
Does this mean we'll get news today, or will that be on Thursday
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>>186873275
>basically get assist abilities from Sonic's friends.
Oh boy, more Generations crap. What else is getting recycled?
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>>186874856
They probably used that extra time to develop all these features instead of creating a central one to base the game on.
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>>186873275
Does this mean Knuckles will replace the drill wisp?
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>>186852557
They're fun when you get the hang of it and feel the least like a chore of all four special stages, when I go into or redo special stages in Mania I'm not like "Okay, let's get this shit over with" like in, say, Blue Balls, I'm more like "Alriiight, let's try this again!"
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>>186875849
Mushroom SHILL Zone
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>>186877497
He will read inspirational excerpts from his "& Knuckles" autobiography to increase Avatar's attack power
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>>186877734
>>186877497
DRILL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAp8w4-89g
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>>186878062
(come on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyA_XahL7dQ
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>>186875153
When are we going to see new stuff from Forces again?
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>>186878292
Likely Thursday
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I'm thirsty for some Forces news, I read that there's gonna be a stream on thursday (not sonicofficial) but they didn't source it
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>>186875153
>giving a shit about what IGN has to say
really why does this matter
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>>186878350
Neato. Any idea of what?
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>>186878393
Because it's IGN giving Sonic any sort of praise, if they were shitting on it it would be another Tuesday, but them actually nominating it actually means something.
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>>186878539
that they were paid to shill forces?
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>>186878447
Unsure, but Famitsu will be streaming Forces with Shun Nakamura & the game will be playable at Gamescom.

>>186878447
It's almost like Forces leaving a good impression on IGN is good
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>>186878389
Famitsu stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7P0qs4Xso
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>>186875347
Isn't this meme based on Yuji Naka spontaneously asking "You rike Sonic?" in response to an unrelated question at the last Summer of Sonic Q&A?`
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>>186852312
Git gud. These are the easiest special stages yet
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>>186878623
>paid to shill
Based on what?
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>>186878283
that sounds higher pitched than normal. this one sounds right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBTAGVnfXAw
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>>186878712
Nice
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>>186878623
More like now that Mania put Sonic in a good light it's no longer to cool to hate on the series for the time being.
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>>186878623
If Sega really cared about getting shills IGN wouldn't be known for shitting on Sonic.
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>>186879003
Don't worry Forces will come out and it'll be business as usual until whatever new 2D Classic game comes out in a few years. It's nice while it lasts, though.
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>>186879003
Actually since Mania, the cool new meme is that "3D Sonic was never good!" instead of "Sonic was never good!" Forces getting positive praise like that is really good news.
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>>186879176
Well, Forces is a 2D Sonic game anyways, so it's not like it's anything special
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>>186878790
Based on IGN's track record
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Post one (1) Sonic music
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>>186879843
And you think SEGA has the money to spend on paying off reviewers?
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>>186879981
no
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>>186858239
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>>186879981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr6UUhHTHoM
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>>186879981
(1) Sonic music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDd_GlynA6A
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>>186871942
It's a compromise. Hopefully it'll be more distributed soon.
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>>186873970
The stage music is already doing that.
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>>186881209
>original Sonic better than Mania
Lmao
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A bit of insider info on how much blood sweat and tears Tyson put into making sure Mania's opening was perfect

https://youtu.be/_OWQ9oh1KV4?t=24m
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>>186862829
Why would a patch coming with the PC release be doubtful? I could see if they wanted to get fixes and additions out to everyone at the same time.
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>>186881324
I'm tired of these spindashfags
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post proof of speed
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Any chance of a downloadable demo for Forces? I can't wait to try it.
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>>186882098
After Generations? No.
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>>186882159
Didn't Lost World have one?
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>>186879981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUoV2E1wlI
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>>186882289
Months after it came out, yes.
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A week after the console release, and before the PC release, that seems nicely timed to me.
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>>186882330
bootleg ristar music
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>>186880081
Is that other sign Stealth?
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>>186882342
Your dog plush is so fucking adorable, anon! I just want to hug it.
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>>186882342
I'm getting mine of Friday! Can't wait.
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I like how there is seriously no piece of Forces news that hasn't been bitched about or shat on
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>>186882809
It's the same for Mania, quit feeding the divide
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>>186882979
88% of players disagree
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Why would eggman build a puyo puyo trap if he's so bad at puyo puyo
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>>186883124
This is the same guy who made this
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>>186883041
That doesn't mean people haven't been bitching about or shitting on Mania, anon. Like >>186882979 said, stop feeding the divide
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>>186883124
Because it's different
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>>186883124
How could he expect Sonic to stand still and play a puzzle game?
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>>186883383
Is there no other puzzle game he's actually good at
Or is that the only one he could buy the rights to
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>>186883285
Hey maybe the legs weren't done yet
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Just a quick question, what Knucles and Tails do in Sonic 3D Blast? Should I give them my rings? I haven't played the game since 1999.
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>>186882704
That's actually a bear, but thank you regardless. I've been buying plushes again the past year, maybe too many.
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>>186883124
Contrary to popular belief, Eggman isn't much creative.
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>>186883913
if you give them 50+ rings (cumulative) they will take you to a special stage.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTSE9q-aCj0

These coments gave me brein damage.
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>>186884102
Thanks.
By the way, I remember playing a Genesis game where you controlled a bird trying to save other tiny birds, was it the same Flickies that appear in 3D Blast?
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>>186884239
Yes, that game is called Flicky. I played that game alot back then too.
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>>186884239
Not the same, but the blue Flicky is based on the Flicky game character.
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>>186884239
Yeah, that game is called "Flicky" and is more specifically the origin of the blue birds from the Badniks in Sonic games proper, with the 3D Blast Flickies and later the Birdie Trio in Sonic Adventure being based on them.
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>>186884220
>Reading Youtube comments.
I'm not going to chastise you, I too have a morbid curiosity and occasionally take a peek at them. But we shouldn't do it.
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>>186884220
Companies listen to them more than they listen to us
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Am I the only person who thinks it would be a little cool if the Gold Shield from 3D Blast were an optional toggle in Sonic Mania?
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>>186884354
>>186884423
>>186884451
Thanks. I thought I was the only one who played it. It was fun, kinda like Mappy but better.
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>>186883924
Oh, my bad, anon. It's still cute. Hope you have fun buying more.
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>>186884580
But why?
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Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson is working on a official Sonic YT comedy. They already contracted Jaleel White for the voice of Classic Sonic.
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>>186884220
Oh no, it's affecting you already anon!
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>>186884673
The golden shield was cool, I don't get why they never used it again.
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>>186884978
The idea of the golden shield giving Sonic a homing attack in 3D Blast was actually pretty cool.
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>>186884898
I don't believe you.
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So apparently the People Choice's award that Forces was nominated for is actually a popularity contest deal IGN is doing, where every game was up for nomination. Sadly it's not doing too well with only 33 votes while DBZ Fighters & some of the other major games of the year have far more votes.

>>186884898
Provide proof
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>>186884978
Well, it became the Homing Attack.

Having it stay an itemized ability like the Elemental Shields would be a cool spin, though. Something to toggle in options like outta Sonic 3 Complete.

>>186885142
Good, FighterZ deserves it more. This isn't even up for debate.
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>>186885209
Yeah from what I've seen, FighterZ looks pretty damn good. But hey, Forces does seem to be doing better than other games on the list, like Mario + Rabbids, MvCI, the new Fire Emblem, etc.
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>>186885142
IGN still exists?
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I like the animation when Sonic gets an emerald in 3d Blast.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6VSG7rZe0Q

>Sonic Youtube still uploading Mania tracks that have already been on Youtube for a week now
What's their endgame?
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Any good Mania wallpapers?
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>>186886426
check inside your ass
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>>186886398
Official releases. Allows them to be more prominent on youtube searches. Thus, ad revenue.
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>>186886469
Charming.
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>>186886398
They have a good thing going on now, it's only natural to ride it for all it's worth.
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>>186886398
>Sonic Mania OST
>Studiopolis Zone Act 2 - "Prime Time"

>>186886398
>What's their endgame?
maybe we'll find out the names of the tracks that aren't on the vinyl
and maybe even get the actual lyrics to MMZ
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>>186886972
>Trailer and Opening animation music isn't on the vinyl release
I feel like they conned me.
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>>186886398
>all those youtube comments
It's beautiful. the sonic social media team are masters at their craft.
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What style of music would fit Bump and which Sage?
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>>186869435
We don't have enough autism history to back up discussion on a daily basis
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>>186887704
>Bump
Electronica Pop
>Sage
Contemporary Jazz
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>>186888429
More like you're apathetic to your franchise
Mario "fans" are barely even fans
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>>186888763
Whoops meant for >>186888412
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I have the power. Let me show you what it's all about.
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>>186888801
>being in this much denial on your fanbase
Don't make me laugh, you know its true.
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>>186888763
I can see Sage listening to Chet Baker, Ike Quebec, Miles Davies, etc. In black and white, while smoking a cigarette.
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>>186888936
Yeah... not sure what you're quoting there but I'm apart of the Mario fanbase and the Sonic fanbase. Mario fans just don't have enough passion and care for their series to get a whole lot of discussion going. Wario fans are much better in that regard.
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>>186888801
Why the fuck are you trying to pick a fight, asshole?
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>>186889105
Nice headcanon you have there bro.
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>>186889180
Prove me wrong.
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How would the Game and Comic versions of Fang, Bean, and Bark interact if they met?
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>>186889129
Why do mariofags still act insecure & threatened over a series that's been on life support for over 20 years?
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>>186888412
These are the first things that came to my mind.

Bump: https://youtu.be/2pFDJiroOdg
Sage: https://youtu.be/0kcF7E69C6Q
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>Another "Sonic vs. Mario fans" attempt.
Are you boring, don't you have lunch or something else to do?
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>>186889476
Some people love rerun episodes of this shit.
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>people ever replying to marioposters
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I had a dream about her in Odyssey tonight
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>>186889476
We could have a Sonic vs. Sonic fans argument?
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Todos putos.
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>>186889250
>>186889390
Nah, your really just spewing your weightless views on Mario left and right. I'm not gonna waste my time.

Also you're getting this triggered when your series gets called autistic bro. Sonic's been on meme support for years unlike Mario. Of course you guys have alot to discuss. More then half your fanbase even knows this especially with the fleshed out comic adding countless characters .
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Are we dead because all the PCbros an heroed in despair?
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>>186889390
Are you talking about Mario or Sonic?
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>>186889930
I thought it was because we are on lunch time.
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>>186889619
You no rike it?
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>>186889904
>blah de bloo bloo
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What are the similarties between these two characters?
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>>186890482
They both have fun in their respective fields of expertize.
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>>186890598
Would Sonic doom multiple worlds for speed?
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>>186890482
They are literally the exact same character. How did Yuji get away with it
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>Dragonball posting
Will Sonic Forces delete Cream and Blaze from existence?
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>>186890678
Super is at the same level of stupid as GT and you know it.
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>>186890906
It's worse than GT. That's not to say GT isn't bad, but to pretend that Super isn't laughably worse is nothing but denial.

>>186890865
Iizuka already did.
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>>186890678
Zeno was going to erase all of them but they only got a chance because of Goku.

>>186890906
Yeah sure buddy
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>>186890482
>red eyes
but that's wrong
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>>186891037
>Iizuka already did.
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>>186891037
I mean, at this point it's just comparing bull shit and horse shit.

>>186891038
Prove me wrong.
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Best Sonic bromance
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>>186891121
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>>186890482
They both have to deal with crazy chicks (Amy, Chichi). The only difference is Goku actually knocked his up and put a ring on it.
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>>186891519
So you're saying Sonic is a hitter and quitter?
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>>186891710
He's yet to actually hit it, tho
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>>186890320
>Amy
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>>186891710
Most likely. But I moreso saying that Chichi was actually able to get Goku. Even if it was in a stupid way.
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>>186891519
reminder that Goku had multiple children before he got his first kiss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jJrkfogLnc
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>>186892354
>proclaiming a misinterpretation of a joke as fact
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>>186892541
It's a frayed and broken marriage.
>>
I've seen some people complain about Hydrocity Act 1's new mechanics (the boats and the controllable bubbles) so I've looked for a route through the level that allows you to skip them while still having a quick/satisfying/fun route to play
https://streamable.com/x57o1
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>>186892354
>posting Super drivel
>ever
enough
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HERE I COME
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Would Sonic and Amy have a relationship like Goku and Chichi's if they got together?
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>>186893238
This is why he skips leg day. He doesn't actually need to use them.
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>>186893315
What gave you any sort of clue they'd be similar?
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>>186892950
The boats and bubbles are fine though. The water mechanics are a little overstated, but they did push Hydrocity further back in the stage order so making it harder adds up.
That boss is what needs some tweaking
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>>186894156
I don't really mind the mechanics either, but I did have fun looking for a route where I could skip all of them
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>>186893932
This
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How do you avoid being hit by Heavy Magician during Titanic Monarch 2's boss? The rest of the fight is fairly simple, and you can outright avoid Launcher and Shinobi during their segments, but even when I hit Magician I get launched into the lasers.
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>CP1 boss's stage curves at the edges so if you just hang out at the side and dodge all the attacks it launches you into the Mega Mack spheres when you jump
Fucking geniuses
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>>186857784
This is not hot
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>>186892950
Why have you muted the sound effects?
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>>186895360
I just play without them because I enjoy listening to the music without bing bing wahoos interrupting it
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>>186895559
Fair enough, I think the default SE volume is a bit too loud anyway.
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>>186895559
There are in-game tracks with "bing bing wahoo" effects in almost every 2D Sonic
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>>186895972
they're not really interrupting the music if they're a part of it, no?
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>>186892950
Hydrocity is probably the weakest remixed level in Mania. Not because of "They hardly remixed it!" but because the additions they did make to the level didn't make it more fun or interesting, unlike the other levels
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>>186896134
I largely agree with this. Unlike the other remixes where I was picking up elements from other Sonic stages, Hydrocity just felt like...more Hydrocity. Lava Reef had the same problem, which I hate since it's my favorite Genesis level.
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>>186891121
Was this a graphical glitch or an actual colour choice?
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>>186896134
Hydrocity definitely feels like it was added in at the last minute. Probably wasn't even in the game until after the delay to August was announced I bet.

Maybe they were reading all the threads here begging for Hydrocity to get in and caved in.
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>expecting news of forces
>is just drop dash being available for Classic sonic
>more mania shit in forces instead of NEWS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>186896875
You're getting Forces news on Thursday, stupid
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>>186896679
>Maybe they were reading all the threads here begging for Hydrocity to get in and caved in.
maybe the realized we'd have no Sonic 3 stage, again, for an anniversary title
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So is rouge going to appear in forces?
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>>186896875
Well there's confirmation of character's helping the Avatar in certain stages, similar to the co-op missions from Generations.
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>>186897050
>two more days
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>186897242
Oh great! A character is gonna help me the moral way! Truly a bigg improvement over the other shit Mania got for cukin sake!
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Would anyone be interested in reading my sonic hot springs fanfic?
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>>186897695
Better be quite lewd. Link?
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>>186897424
You sound off, like a Youtube character.
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>>186897695
Maybe if it has interesting dialogue, character interactions and banter and isn't fap bait.
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>>186896875
wasn't drop dash confirmed already?

not explicitly but they showed him using it multiple times in the classic sonic footage from forever ago
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Would anyone be interested in being Amy's prison bitch?
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>>186898160
>>186897942
It's not lewd. It's basically anime shenanigans where there's a guy who wants to sneak in on the girls and a poor sap who ends up being beaten by the girls.
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More Forces Avatar gameplay info. A new weapon & a Tag Team level.

>>186898380
Me!
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>>186898468
Okay. Where is it?
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>>186898497
>ice hammer
What wisp is this? A fucking new one?
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>>186898497
Boy I can't wait to play Sonic & You
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>>186897695
I do
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>>186898497
So wait, does this mean you only partner with Sonic?
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>>186898497
>double boost will darken at the speed of light
That could be a neat gimick for a whole Sonic game. Get on it Sega, Sonic Light Speed, coming 2019.
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>>186898497
>tag team stage
This is gonna be a mess.
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>>186898497
I think these are all nice additions.
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>>186898815
Probably yeah, but it was only one stage in the demo it seems. We'll have to wait for more info.

>>186898871
Eh, all depends on how it's handled.
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>>186898497
>Speed of light
What holy shit.
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>>186898871
It's only three different gameplays styles too many.

>>186898925
The fact that it's a separate stage at all is enough to cause concern with the other three we know about.
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>>186899025
Did you already forget about the Light Speed Dash?
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>>186899058
It's a separate stage, with already used gameplay styles. Again it could be a mess, but I'd rather wait & see what it looks like before declaring it as such.
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>>186898497
>even faster than boosting
Shit, man, boost looked super fasr in Forces already.
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>>186899147
It's already kind of a mess. My only hope is that it's just an extension of the Modern Sonic we've seen so far.
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Second try with Shadow! Tell me if I improved or not.
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>>186899305
It sounds like it'll mostly be Boost with Buddy & Modern Sonic. This will likely be the stage we see in the demo, so we'll get a good look Thursday, most likely.

>>186899441
Boom!Shadow's feet look a bit too small, but otherwise looks good!
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Sonic games that were good experiments, but not really great as games. These games need a sequel to take advantage of what was introduced.

Sonic Heroes
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Lost World
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>>186899441
The mouths are a bit egregious but other than that it's pretty good
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>>186851171
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>>186899725
god that running animation looks fucking terrible
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>>186899725
>manual loop maneuvering
gross
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>>186893315
Sonic would actually be a decent father.
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>>186900074
why does knuckles have blue eyes in this specific picture?
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>>186898559
>>186898693
It's not done yet but I'll make sure to link it once I do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbr-c9af3ss

Holy shit.
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hello i am here to defeat the Iblis trigger
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>>186900858
The instrumentals aren't bad, but the vocals are eh.
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>>186896134
Meh, Oil Ocean feels weaker overall. Plus, a lot of 'additions' to various levels are just gimmicks and auto-run mechanics that you can tell came from a fan developer's mindset.
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>>186901076
Better than the original still, which is saying something.
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Dave the Intern >>>>>>>>> Everyone else
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>>186899574
>>186899628
Thank you anons! I'm glad you liked it, and obviously I'll take your suggestions.
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How would you guys react if Forces and Mania had a Lock On feature that let you port things between the two save files, and you needed the Good End of both games to get the true ending?
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>>186901348
Honestly, while I liked the vocals in the original more, the instrumentals in the cover are better, imo. I like both tho.
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>>186893315
Sonic would be sent flying
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>>186901643
Odd
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>>186898497
>darken at the speed of light
That sounds edgy and fantastic.
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>>186901348
It's not saying a lot though.

>>186901643
Fuck that
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>>186901998
>boost fucks with the music
>double boost fucks with the graphics
why
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i have an obsession with lipstick make it stop
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>>186901429
Get back to work Dave
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>>186902148
Boost fucking with the music is really cool though.
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>>186902189
Why fight it? Accept it, anon
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>play Sonic 2 without Tails
>special stages become piss easy

I did not expect it to be THAT much.
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>>186902297
then take means i'll be drawing sonic with lipsick and that's weird
i think i like lips
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>>186902292
>make a really good soundtrack
>fuck it all up whenever the player is boosting, which is going to be 90% of the time for good players
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>>186902450
...Which is cool.
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>>186902412
Nothing wrong with that, lad

>>186902450
If the players wanna hear the good music without it being fucked with, they'll have to buy the OST
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>>186902364
The special stages are already piss easy
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>>186902292
I don't disagree, but >>186902450 sums it up here.
I need clean Sonic rips in my life man.
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A brave and heroic hedgehog. The ultimate lifeform. The chosen one: Shadow the Hedgehog.
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>>186902993
yes

>>186902665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CbRyCGNU3A it's COOL
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>>186902189
Only plumbers stop. Is Sonic a plumber?
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What do you all think of the female vocals in Forces? The ones in the Avatar stages?

https://youtu.be/7PV1MVNgOcc?t=75
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL85tEePWyQ
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>>186903543
I honestly like them. They've been my favorite part of the OC stage vocals
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>>186854687
SAUCE
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>>186903543
It sends a Britneyspearsy, early 2000s feeling. I like it?
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Aquatic Kino Zone is Wood Zone
prove me wrong
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>>186903543
I like them. For some reason, the only one who I found a bit odd was Knuckles. Maybe I'm getting to use to his goofy Boom voice.
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Writer anon, if you are still here, don't forget to link us the fic once you finished it. I'm in the mood for anime.

You know, the more I watch Forces gameplay footage, the more I want to play it.
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>>186904068
Knuckles has been criminally underused since 06. Now is his time to shine in the Modern games.
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>>186904028
it isn't
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Weird question, why have we never had a MAIN female villain in ANY Sonic game? Merlina was only revealed as "evil" in the tail end, Zeena wasn't a main villain by any means, Rouge wasn't really evil...
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>>186904028
"Aquatic Kino Zone" does not exist at all
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>>186904534
If "his time to shine" is as an accessory to a shitty CAC system, that's fucking sad and you know it.

>>186904615
We just haven't. There isn't like, a reason for it. Main Villains are almost always super duper monsters.
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>>186898608
I think it might be the blue cube wisp
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>>186904615
According to Iizuka only male villains and abominations.
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>>186904615
Women are less ambitious than men as well as physically weaker and less imposing.
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>>186904731
>>186904742
>>186904758
You can't tell me you would have been angry had Infinite been female.
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>>186904732
shit i forgot to remove my shitpost name
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>>186904731
yes i know. I'm talking about his voice acting.
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>>186904615
We just haven't. For most Sonic stories, there's never really been a need for a main female villain.

>>186904856
I'm honestly fine with whatever Infinite is, so long as it's a good character.
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>>186904615
Maybe a male villain fits better as an antagonist of Sonic than a female one. To be fair, the only villain villain is always Eggman, using a powerful eldritch entity that always turns on him. Perhaps Sonic needs another major villain along with Eggman.
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>>186904615
With the exception of Eggman/Robotnik, Sonic befriends everyone, so there are no "main" villains outside of the average monster. You could add the Deadly Six chick from Sonic Galaxy but even they aren't "main" villains.
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>>186904732 >>186904885
gANGSTER MARIO
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>>186904856
No, I can't tell you I would be angry if Infinite were female. Because I wouldn't be.

But I'm not interested in Infinite or Forces in general, because it doesn't look like a good game or an interesting story.
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>>186904856
I'm pretty sure I'd dislike it no matter the gender.
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So are other characters playable or...
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hey sthg u like my oc XD
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>>186905182
They are not. Sonic & Sonic & Donut.

>>186905263
pretty sure jason could kick his ass tbdesu
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>>186905182
In what?

>>186904983
I wouldn't mind it, but people will eventually get angry over how "Eggman isn't the final boss"
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>>186905319
Well he has a brother. Jason would be screwed

>>186905452
Just like they get angry over everything else?
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>>186905576
Yup
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>>186905452
>Sonic fans getting angry.
At this point is just like the weather, something that happens.
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Reminder that if Sonic and Amy had switched personalities SEGA would be attacked by feminists.
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>>186906025
Reminder that nobody cares
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>>186905452
>In what?
Appearing in tag mode
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>>186906097
Oh. It sounds like it's just Sonic, but I guess we'll fully see either Thursday or sometime before Forces drops.
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>>186906073
Reminder that you're being very mean right now and it's hurting my feelings.
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>>186906025
Amy looks quite pretty with those Elizabethan clothes.
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>>186906224
Stop being so stupid then.
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>>186903543
I like it. reminds me of Sonic R and other Sega games from the late 90s that had female pop vocals like rally revo
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>>186906224
Fuck your feelings!

Sorry I hurt you that way, anon
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>>186906357
>>186906425
that's it, gonna commit sudoku
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>>186906617
But anon, you'll miss today's Underground stream if you do that!
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>>186906778
oh well nevermind then
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>>186903543
The only vocals from Forces that I like so far. Fist Bump is a phenomenal instrumental dragged down by goofy/irritating vocals, and Infinite's song is horrible.
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hi

i have never played or consumed sonic media, how do i get into it
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Why does everyone either love or hate Infinite's theme song?
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>>186907007
play the classics
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>>186907007
Play the following:

>Sonic 1
>Sonic 2
>Sonic 3 & K
>Sonic CD
>Sonic Adventure
>Sonic Adventure 2
>Sonic Advance
>Sonic Advance 2
>Sonic Advance 3
>Sonic Rush
>Sonic Rush Adventure
>Sonic Unleashed
>Sonic Colors
>Sonic Generations
A lot of these are on Steam, but if you can't find them there, I'd suggest getting those games on emulators. If you wanna watch any of the cartoons or comics, just be sure to ask!

>>186907054
Nu-metal isn't for everyone. I love it tho
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>>186907054
Because it sounds like a full fledged song unlike Fist Bump and has Jun Senoue playing guitar.

The lyrics and choice of band are goofy though, and the song as a whole seems dated.
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>>186907280
put Sonic Battle between Advance 2 and 3.
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>>186907280
There are so many genres and subgenres of metal, it makes me dizzy.
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>>186907361
Oh yeah, Battle too.

>>186907402
Funny enough, only reason why I even know about nu-metal is because of the amount I listened too in the 2000s. I always have a soft spot for that type of music.
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>>186907007
Start with a game that appeals to your tastes. Simple classics, try Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Story driven with multiple playstyles? Try Sonic Adventure 2. Comical and fast? Try Sonic Colors.

Alternatively, try listening to some of the music.Those are almost always huge highlights of Sonic games.

Here's a list of some of the best Sonic games:

Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Advance 1-3, Sonic Rush, Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations and Sonic Mania. It really depends which one appeals the most to your tastes.
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Sonic 3D Blast is a good game.
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>>186907054
It sounds like irredeemable shit to some, not so much for others.
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Is this a good Sonic music playlist, /sthg/?
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>>186908074
Yes
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Sonic Underground stream on now! cytu,be/r/sthg

>>186908074
Yes
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>>186908074
I see no playlist, anon.
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>>186908204
>>186908205
>>186908235
Fuck ya'll I forgot it.

>>186908074
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPJye2qai7bceAwIPubDwQfSbryAcH9vD
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>>186906025
Sonic was flirting up a storm with the Lady of the Lake and it's a Amy lookalike. So does this mean Sonic finds Amy physically attractive?
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>>186908289
Looking good. Needs some more songs tho.

>>186908352
He probably finds her to be kinda cute
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What's your Sonic name, /sthg/?
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>>186875679
the wiiu sonic games bombed in sales
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>>186908352
>>186908430
I think he likes her at some level but doesn't say anything.
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>>186898497
>Move so fucking fast that the game begins to lose light

This is what i've wanted from boost, to actually move faster than the speed of light.
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>>186902221
I'm on my breeeaaaaaaaak!
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post underrated sonic music from bad games
https://youtu.be/b4NhfXwMeUU
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>>186908463
>Super Sonic The Eggman.

Well this is interesting.
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>>186908463
Silver the Hedgeheg,

IT'S NO USE
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>>186908934
Me too
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>>186909002
A-Anon...you have the same Sonic name as me???
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>>186908934
>Silver the Eggman
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>>186908289
race to win is so flippin cheesy
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>>186907054
It's nu-metal, and that's certainly not an easy listening genre.
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>>186908915
>sonic and the secret rings had the coolest setting for a sonic game ever
>music is great, art direction is fantastic
>it will forever be a shit game

IT'S NOT FAIRRRRRR
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING

https://twitter.com/kitkatfox87/status/900087696583938048
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>>186908915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OGGH1lXoJ8
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>>186909663
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>>186909663
footage when?
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>>186909663
It just occured to me. Is every Avatar going to have that ugly as fuck wide mouth? I was hoping we could get some small side or center mouth options like the established characters.
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Hey look it's a bitch OC
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>>186909663
I guess head props are confirmed
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>>186909626
I feel ya, man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRgEyp4CqPo
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>>186909663
>That center mouth
I always felt that something looked off about the models & now that I finally figured out why, I am so fucking triggered by the sight of that
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>>186909663
>The Classic Stage is still just the boss

Come on man let people get their hands on an actual level to change opinions on that playstyle. Unless they're heavily retooling Classic there's no reason as to why there isn't a full playable stage for it in their demos.
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>>186909734
Scooby doo as fuck
I 100% this game
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>>186908352
Duh. Amy is cute and she's a hedgehog like Sonic. When will you people understand that fiction mirrors reality especially the relationships/romance part?

Unless Sonic is a literal homo he's just NOT going to find amy physically unattractive
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>>186910152
That's a fucking bulldog
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Tfw Jason Griffith's newborn baby is sick and you can't even link the gofundme here.
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>>186891935
>Amy only acts like an annoying ass stalker in what, 2 or 3 games
>A lot of people still get massively butthurt by this, notice most of them are males
Hmm
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>>186910806
https://twitter.com/jgriff_4real/status/898154691762282496

m8
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>>186910152
clown vomit
on another note, those colors came right out of the 90s
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>>186910876
Most of these men get no women pursuing them so they self insert into Sonic and reject them sinced it satisifies their ego.
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>>186911134
*since
*satisfies

Why the hell does my text box keep disappearing?
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>>186908463
Sonichu the Coldsteel
>>
What do you think of this Amy redesign?
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>>186910876
>implying the biggest groups of Amy haters or Sally haters aren't women who are either self-inserting with their OCs or yaoi fujoshits
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>>186911429
I like the attire, but god, myly14 draws Amys mouth so weirdly nowadays
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>>186910504
Most of the characters in the series have center mouths though. The only exceptions are Sonic, Knuckles, Espio, Shadow, and Rouge.
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>>186911439
Probably both. The high amount of fujoshits in the Sonic fandom surprises me. I'm not used to a lot of female fans in the Mario fandom at all.
>>186911429
Crappy and it just takes her design flaw of her looking like an animu girl and triple it by a thousand.
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>>186911550
Yeah, but it just looks so odd on the OCs in Forces.
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So is my OC going to be a walking noddle with a giant head? Angular & flat shapes are really not my thing
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>>186910152
>the same UI design
They're not changing it, are they? I really don't like that style.
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>>186910509
I wonder how confused Iizuka is given the great reception Mania got and and the poor reception Classic got in Forces.
>>
Help me understand
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>>186912152
what if a miracle happened and he swallowed his japanese pride and called Whitehead to help him fix Classic?
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>>186910152
ohoh yes
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>>186908463
>Shadow The Edgehog
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>>186912152
"I...I don't understand! D-do they want more m-more 2D in their games? Yeah, that must be it!!!"
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>>186908463
Chadow The Hedgeheg.

Charia!
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>>186911429
Is she supposed to look like a whore?
>>
>>186912152
>>186912419
>>186912427
Japan has a weird fixation that Americans don't like chibi designs. Same issue with Square-Enix. Most likely that mindset was gained from focus testing.
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Was Shadow The Hedgehog character assassination or flanderization if you prefer
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>>186912963
>Flanderization.
He didn't get turned into a flan at the end.
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>>186912963
Flanderization. They think people like Shadow just because he's edgy and "cool."
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>>186912963
No, I don't think so. It was just following what Sonic Heroes set up by erasing his memories.
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>>186912963
Only Flanderization and only Boom, the Mainline games he's fine.

What fucks me up is that in the prelude comic for Shattered Crystal he's a good guy, but in the show and Rise of Lyric he just a dick, although they did say that he was mind controlled in the japanese version and they planned that but the game got rushed so they couldn't added that part in.
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>>186911429
She's still here.
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>>186912963
It was a character assassination.

>>186913436
Sonic Heroes set him up to be an Android copy of the original. He doesn't have anything to remember.
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I want a SA2 remake to be released for the Switch/PS4/PC with new textures, new models, fixed physics and better gameplay style and player setup. Also playable Amy
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Metal Sonic with Knuckles is the worst.
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>>186914002
I don't want that. And SA2 is my favorite game.

Just play one of the ports, if they let Iizuka's Sonic Team touch it they'd find some way to fucking ruin it, probably by inserting Black Arms bullshit into the plot where it was never intended to be.
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>>186907703
yes, the saturn version is
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>>186913980
No, it setup the mystery of whether or not he was an android.
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Why is Sonic team so focused on ruining characters? What's really so hard about writing them?

I've seen FANFICTIONS with better character writing than this.
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>>186914002
Do you want fries with that?
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>>186908915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjIizNVsFys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vtd6mp2t_o

Both the Flame Core tracks are fuckin' jammin'.
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>>186914308
Blame the writers
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>>186914002
You can play as Amy with mods.
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Has anybody gotten their PC collectors in the mail yet? Meme man said we should be getting at least those on time but a week out and still nothing.
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What if Forces reveals that Shadow actually was an android all this time and everything from his game onward was just Eggman planting false memories and lies in his head, and the reason why he and Metal Sonic are on Infinite's side is because Zavok is controlling them?
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>>186914490
With her own gameplay and story
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>>186914723
You're asking for too much.
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>>186912415
the concept of love?
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>>186914607
>>186882342
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>>186914607
Just as I typed this the UPS guy literally just delivered it.
You guys want some unboxing pics?
The package was beaten to shit so I'm a little worried.
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>>186899441
>Second try with Shadow
Top tier taste.
Wish the expressions were more according to Shadow, though. Feet are too small, too.
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>>186914308
Blame Pontaff. The Japanese version of Lost World was actually all right. I don't know about Colors or Generations though.
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>>186908463
Sonic the hedgehog
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>>186915050
>>186914607
Wait people are getting their PC Collectors edition right now?
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>>186914002
i'm still baffled how the 3DS didn't get a full 3D remake of the first Sonic Adventure game

does SEGA not realized its their perfect chance to tweak what was off with Adventure and how much shit people will buy Sonic Adventure on-to-go? (especially Chao Garden)

i mean hey at least there's the GCN VC leak for the Switch
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>>186915171
Literally just came to the door five minutes ago.
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>>186913235
What the fuck was the point of Shadow being in Boom?
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>>186915081
You're not the first one to tell me, so I'll definitely keep that in mind. Thank you!
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Tbh, Sonic Heroes and Shadow The Hedgehog's "conclusion" to Shadow's story felt really fucking cheap to me. They could of waited at least 5 games before he made a return without adding some stupid ayy lmao plot to it. Also, they didn't have to completely change his character and make him a mega edgelord for no reason.

Sonic Team is so fucking dumb
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>>186915647
Because https://youtu.be/oN8iHmAnAaw?t=111
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>>186915921
Hey, blame the fans. Shadow wasn't even supposed to come back, but people wanted him. That being said, they're complete retards for botching it the way they did.
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Am I wrong in thinking Toby draws the cutest Thunderbolt ever?
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>>186916042
If Shadow's return was done right, how would it be?
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>>186915050
Go ahead.
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>>186915618
What leak?
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>>186916030
No I mean WHY? I can understand Metal Sonic but Shadow? What's the explanation for him being there?
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>>186916595
Eggman sent him extra embossed invites.
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>>186915171
I got mine on release day. Or rather the original release day before the delay.
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>>186916236
The cartridge was out of it's spot and just rattling around but I'll attest that to the UPS guy being a faggot and literally throwing the box at the door.
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This seems pretty big.
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>>186916763
It looks a little cheaper than I'd hoped but not bad for the price and everything is in one piece.
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>>186916763
>>186916957
I think it was dislodged in my box as well, but the statue is what I expected; playing Mania next to it will be a nice experience.
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I was hoping Sonic Team to bring back Shadow's mellower personality from SA2 and Heroes as opposed to his aggressive / dark shit he was in every game after
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>>186916595
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>>186916871
Infinite is blue like buddy
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>>186917265
We don't know what he'll be like in Forces. All we have to go on is that he doesn't have eye highlights in that one cutscene.
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>>186917265
Ironically, 06 of all games has a good characterization for him. Considering no game after that featured him extensively, I think that's the canon personality for him.
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>>186916871
Goddammit, not one person playing that we can see the screen of is playing whatever the hell that Tag team mode is
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Why haven't we started #NotMyBuddy?
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>>186917441
Which one? I never noticed it.
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>>186916763
You should report him.
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>>186917546
The one where Infinite is beating the crap out of Sonic. In the Enter Infinite trailer.
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>>186917546
The image here shows it >>186903274
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>>186917538
This picture is shit because they don't bother to slim down Mickey's shoes to look more radical
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/sthg/, are we doing a character thread for 900? we're getting awfully close is all.

i don't mind drawing something if nobody else does, though there's quite a few anons better at art than i am.
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>>186903543
2000s was my least favorite decade for music so I think it's shit.
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>>186881526
He did a fucking great job on the intro. He should be proud of that intro.
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>>186916212
He is established as an Android copy of the original and the real one is dead for real.

Also never introduce the bullshit alien backstory.
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>>186917796
no
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Who's the guy who comes up with the Preset Demo OCs?

Because I swear to god this one is just so...cute.
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>>186916327
https://gametransfers.com/rumor-new-evidence-suggests-gamecube-games-are-coming-to-nintendo-switch/
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>>186917674
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>>186918220
they 1000% took inspiration from that cup
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>>186918220
she's into bowling, definitely
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>>186918024
But the problem with making him an android is that it ruins all his character development from SA2. But Shadow the Hedgehog already ruined all his character development, so I suppose it would at least explain that.
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>>186917796
People said Amy for thread #900, but some are tired of character editions. I guess we'll see
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>>186918390
>Amy
>Important milestone

pick one.
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>>186918305
no, Shadow's iris highlight. Notice the lack of a white spot on his eye
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>>186918448
you now realize we are in /sthg/
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>>186918386
Bringing him back in the first place ruins all his character development from SA2 when the point is he sacrificed his life at the end.

An Android whose identity is based solely on the expectations of those around him is an interesting angle to take, and it was always the way I felt his dynamic with Omega was the strongest, as they came to an understanding despite Omega's stated goal being at odds with Shadow's existence.
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>>186916595
fanbase demands
he's popular as fuck
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>>186918504
Oh yeah, that creepy dialated pupil and no iris. I see it.
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>>186918448
Amy was the first character claimed for #900, man. Same thing happened with Knuckles for #800. I suppose we could just have a regular #900 OP image with the mascots, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles & Amy. Would be a decent compromise. And if our drawfags wanna do some Amy-related pics for #900, they're more than welcome too
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>>186918305
Sorry, highlights is the wrong word. I mean the white circle you can see in ever Sonic character's eye.
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>>186918220
>skin tight clothing
im approving this
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Shadow is supposed to be resistant to mind control
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>>186918649
highlights* sorry

>>186918758
The...light?
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>The OC's Hairstyle.

So being able to make Manic confirmed?
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>>186918739
works for me.
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>>186918849
Wait is this supposed to be a Hedgehog, Dog or Bear character?
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>>186918847
Yeah that. I just wanted to be specific in pointing it out, because I though it might be confusing if I just said the light.
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>>186918823
He's not mind controlled. Do people in this general still not understand what the plot of Forces is? Or are they just ignoring Mania?

Mania is a prequel to Forces, that's why classic is there, Infinite can control time with the same gem on his chest as the one in Mania, he brought villains from Sonic's past, Shadow we see is from SA2, blah blah bah.
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>>186918958
looks like wolf
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>>186918849
>that face on buddy
reminds me of werehog for some reason
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>>186908463
Silver the Echidna
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>>186917492
The Tag Mode demo seems to be a press demo at the moment, the one on the floor seems to have the same setup like the one at E3
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>>186918823
Who said Shadow was under mind control? He's there for his own reasons, as stated in the press release for the E3 trailer. He's not brainwashed or his SA2 incarnation.
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>>186918915
So we can agree on that? I was gonna say just the two mascots & Amy, but unlike Knuckles & Eggman, Amy doesn't have much going on this year, so it'd be odd.
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>>186917796
Make the art you want to make the most, regardless of the edition, man.
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>>186919085
It's the mouth and teeth
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>>186909663
A sign that the customization will be better than expected.

>>186910152
Fuck you guys she's cute, still hate the shit out of the center mouth.
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>>186918775
you should change the filename to [HorribleShow] Dragon Ball Super - 66 [480p].mkv_snapshot_10.45_[2016.11.16_08.39.07].jpg

>>186919038
Why would Shadow willingly comply, though? No, really.

There is literally no point during the events of Sonic Adventure 2 where Shadow wants to take over the world or antagonize Sonic specifically. Therefore there is no point in time where Shadow would even give a shit. Shadow's goal was to crash the Space Colony Ark into the Earth in order to exact revenge on humanity for killing Maria.
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>>186919282
Because Sonic called him a faker. I honestly think that Shadow is mind controlled somehow, but I guess we'll see
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>>186919282
Yeah, revenge on humanity for killing Maria. If Infinite can truly control time, who's to say he can't bring her back?
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>>186919282
You'll have to play Forces to find out.
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>>186919405
That sounds just stupid enough for it to be the case, honestly. God, Sonic Forces is going to suck.
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>>186919492
How about we wait & see what the explanation is, before seeing a post on 4chan as another reason "Forces is going to suck?"
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>>186917538
Why does Modern and Boom Mickey have tits?
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>>186910152
>It's a bitch OC
>bitch
>OC species is a Dog

You cheeky motherfucker.
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>>186910152
She's kinda cute.
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>>186918220
She's a cutie.
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>>186919589
:^) was waiting for someone to notice that.
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>>186919282
Don't think about it too hard, I doubt Sega did. Really though, he wants revenge, he even went along with Eggman. If Infinite assured him of that he would go.
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https://www.gamerz.one/games/sonic-forces/gamescom-demo-gc2017-14006/

Looks like Forces is coming out in December.
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>>186919492
>That sounds just stupid
How, it's stupid if Shadow was current Shadow. But if Infinite promised past Shadow he could bring her back, why would he not comply?
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I want to see Maria in Boom.
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>>186920261
He went along with Eggman because Eggman resuscitated him, and even then he only cooperated as far as it helped him further his own agenda.
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>>186919038
>Shadow has no shine to his eyes, a huge "not really what you think it is" cliche
>Chaos "glitches" out in a cutscene
>"no dudes, they're totally the real characters in total control of themselves. it's not a ruse at all"
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>>186920425
Maria already went Boom
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>>186920417
Because he's literally not the type of character to desperately allow the killing of thousands of people just on the off chance that an obvious villain will bring his dead sister figure back to life if he does.

The only reason he was so willing to exact Gerald's revenge is because he had altered or otherwise spotty memories that led him to believe Maria wanted this revenge in her dying breaths.
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>>186920570
Assuming mind control from slight graphical errors isn't anything more than speculation. Sega's promotional material for the E3 trailer specifically described Shadow as being there "for his own reasons." What we don't know is what those reasons are, or why Chaos and Zavok joined Infinite and Eggman.
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>>186920787
Right, and if Infinite is timewarping Shadow DURING THE SA2 TIMELINE he still has that motive.
You retard.
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>>186920667
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>>186918220
I like 80s Bulldog Girl. Now I'm thirsty for Diet Pepsi Crystal.
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Is is "stu-dee-oh-ah-po-lis" or "stu-dee-ah-po-lis"?
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>>186920895
Why would he give up his original motive, though?

Honestly these delusional time travel plots need to fuck off and so do their apologists.
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>>186918220
Does the shapeless blob body put off anyone else? Its like the huge overdesigned head is just tacked on a stick figure.
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>>186920667
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>>186921047
Because his very fucking reason for killing everyone is to get revenge for Maria's death? It's not fucking rocket science.
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>>186918849
Swifty the Shrew is canon.
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>>186921039
never again
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>>186921047
Because Infinite has time control powers and could convince Shadow to do dumb shit in his confused state with the offer of reviving Maria or something along those lines.
It's not like there was an ENTIRE game dedicated to the exact same situation happening to Shadow that outright showed him going full villain or anything, RIGHT.
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>>186921039

stu-dee-ahs-ity
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>>186921039
stu-dee-aw-po-lis, just like cah-sin-aw-po-lis. Also, it's Hydro City, not Hydrocity.
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>>186918849
>that whole oc design
My god. Just give me a release date. I don't wanna see this atrocity
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>>186921295
It's not like the fact that it's already been done and done and they're dredging it back up because they have no idea what else to do with the character is outright creative bankruptcy or anything, right?
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>>186921427
I still call it Hydrocity. Waiting for someone to make a VOLCANICITY zone.
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>>186921567
Its been done 1 time in a game that took itself far too seriously. Shadow hasn't had a good villain kick in a long time and I welcome it back. Him being a one-off boss in Generations just pissed me off.
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http://www.revuemultimedia.fr/a-4879-gamescom-2017-sonic-forces--la-force-du-herisson.html

New weapon revealed: a hammer that turns enemies into ice cubes that give rings once destroyed.
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>>186921039
God fucking damn it not again.
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>>186921039
stud-ee-oh-poo-lus
>>
What if I told you guys that i love hill top zone

it's an emerald hill palette swap but a fun one nonetheless
the music is so hokey and upbeat and catchy

I love the backdrop which shows you're all high up in the mountains, with the pine trees around you and the like


It's unremarkable compared to like every other stage in the game but something about it really touches me good.
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>>186921105
Like Blaze's shapeless blob body?
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>>186921481
Your right about Hydro-City, but it's actually cah-sin-oh-aw-po-lis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICCaAkTRrMw

30 seconds in.
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>>186921792
Why do people have to shit on Forces just because they think Mania looks good?
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>>186921939
At least Blaze has layered clothing so,she doesn't look like a meat tube
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>>186921881
I actually really like the layout and level design of Hill Top, especially the loops that send you into the breakable ground, but I still think the music and visuals are kinda dull.

I always thought it was cool that you can see the mountains of Hill Top in the background of Emerald Hill, like the stages inbetween are Sonic traveling along the coast to the other side of the bay. Makes sense for Casino Night to be along the beach.
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>>186922052
That's actually a mistranslation. カジノポリス is pronounced "Casin-aw-polis" in Japanese. Just feed it through any Japanese translator.
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>>186922241
Why do people with such shit taste have to be so defensive about others calling a game that looks like shit, shit?

You're allowed to have your opinions, we're allowed to have ours.
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>>186920858
It might not be mind control. It might be a construct Infinite created. It might be one of the few dozen or so Shadow androids Eggman built. Maybe it's fucking Mephiles who painted his stripes red.
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>>186868534
What origin are you going with for the Hedgehog and the Doctor? I kind of feel like they don't need anything too special, since superpowers seem common for Sonic's kind and Eggman just seems like a spoiled genius
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>>186922241
To be fair, people have made similar vids in vice-versa. But people who do the whole "Mania vs. Forces" meme seriously are just retards who wanna act like either game is fighting the other.

>>186922427
>Calls others defensive
>Proceeds to use the stupid "shit taste" argument
Get over yourself, anon
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>>186922427
I'm not defending Forces' quality nor bashing Mania's. I'm debating the fact that seemingly can't praise Mania without shitting on Forces or even other 3D games.
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>>186922445
I wish it was Shadow Androids. That plot thread getting dropped out of nowhere pisses me off
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well previews from people gamescon seem to indicate that Forces is pretty alright.

Apparently Sonic feels great to control which was something ST was working hard on in early interviews
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>>186922621
Sorry your standards are so low, anon. At least the game I was looking forward to looked like it would be good leading up to release. Wish you could say the same about Forces.

>>186922679
Plenty of people like both. But there are plenty who like one and not the other, and it's hard not to compare the two. In fact, I don't know why anyone thinks we shouldn't be comparing the two, when Sonic Team saw fit to shoehorn a connection between them into Mania.
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>>186871104
That reminds me. When Sonic Mad Libs comes out, I will personally buy it just to share with /sthg/.
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>>186922312
Except in Zero Gravity.
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>>186922875
What if some people think Forces looks good? Especially since we've only seen one stage of each gameplay style. Whereas Mania showed off multiple levels with one gameplay style.
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>>186922621
"Mania vs Forces" is just bringing back the 90s "Nintendo vs Sega"
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>>186922867
Yeah, Destructoid did mention that Modern Sonic has great control in Forces. So that's good news.

>>186922875
>your standards are so low
I'm looking forward to both Mania & Forces. Nobody's saying you have to as well, but the "your standards are low if you like this game" argument is just plain stupid. I repeat, get over yourself
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>>186922989
Yeah, but you didn't get a lot of static poses of the characters in Riders
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>>186915921
06 honestly did his character a lot more justice than either of those did, funny enough.
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>>186922875
>Sorry your standards are so low

look at this smug faggot
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some of y'all would white knight for sonic '06 if it came out today lmao
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>>186923642
And you would claim Generations is the next 06 if it came out today.
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>>186922890
>"Eggman, you GAY bozo! You'll never take the Chaos PENISES away from me and my pal NIGGER"
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>>186923642
No, I'd say 06 looked like garbage if it came out today. But personally speaking, Forces doesn't look like garbage.
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>>186923642
I like 06 more than Lost World, Secret Rings, Shadow The Hedgehog, Heroes, Boom, or Colors; so probably.
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>>186921567
To be fair making Shadow a hero was dumb anyways. Granted, so was bringing him back but if you're gonna do that and give him amnesia, at least go all the way and make him a villain, one that isn't 100% tied to Eggman
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https://soundcloud.com/user-954683330/sonic-forces-ost-main-theme-fist-bump-vocals
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>People here had to pick on other people's opinions to make themselves look bigger.

If you get mad because people here like the way Forces look them you might need to leave.
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I never realized how much more fun Sonic CD is when you actually take the time to look for the teleporters in the Past

Finding specific routes to time travel on and doing it successfully is a good feeling
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>>186918220
How long until we get art of Aesthetics Pupper?
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>>186924046
Yeah, Team Dark was sort of toothless without them actually being at least a little villainous. But, they wouldn't have been able to justify Rouge being present since she's CIA and not a legitimate bad guy.
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>>186908289
>>186908074
What's the theme, anon? Favorite themes?
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>>186919492
Why couldn't they have just ported Lost World or Unleashed or something to modern consoles and called it an anniversary? Would've actually come out in time for said anniversary and would've been significantly less retarded than what we're getting
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>>186924064
If you get mad because people here think Forces looks like shit, you might need to stay, because I don't need to shut out opinions I disagree with.
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>>186924264
Lost World failed to garner an audience and Unleashed has the Werehog stigma attached to it, even though its boost stages are probably the best of them so far.
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>>186908915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7AYvzelzw3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxP0n7h_914
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So its pretty much confirmed that we're getting the Tag Team display as this week's Sonic news right? I wonder what the music for the stage will be, will it be Rock for Modern Sonic or EDM for Avatar?
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>>186924387
It seems like no in these big development studios know how to pick out reason why a game under performed in sales. They also throw the baby out with the bath water.
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>>186924207
Drop the dumb spy thing and have her be a jewel thief. Or hell,have her turn traitor and join Shadow. Add an omnicidal renegade robot and you have a good villain team for the heroes to figbt
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>>186924046
>>186924207
You could just make them characters that aren't full villains, but not full-fledged heroes either.

>>186924064
I wouldn't say that anyone who isn't impressed with Forces should leave, but if your best shitpost is "if you like it you have shit taste/low standards," SEGA Forums might be a better site to post on.
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>>186924489
Fist Bump on loop
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Shadow was always supposed to be a brave and heroic hedgehog. Anyone who actually wants him to be a villain, I'll keelhaul you irl.
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>>186924598
>SEGA Forums might be a better site to post on

hahaha that's right on spot
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>>186924489
It'll probably be whatever the stages theme is.

>>186924751
If he's supposed to be a heroic hog, why is he so grumpy?
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>>186910152
I think this is kind ofcute

>>186914308
>I've seen FANFICTIONS with better character writing than this.
Gimme
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>>186924589
I'd argue the opposite, you can't just drop her actual character. Jk lol Heroes already rolled back her character development to generic jewel thief anyway.

>>186924598
You're right. Anti-Heroes probably is a better idea. Something something taking matters into their own hands, with Rouge being their "in" with the authorities.

I guess, in that case, if they weren't so straight arrow in '06, it'd be more or less what you're suggesting.
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>>186922495
Mish mash of different continuities so that Nicky Parlouzer is a brown weak hedgehog that wants to be strong and cool, who meets a kind Dr. Ovi Kintobor, then eventually experiments going crazy causes the birth of Sonic the Hedgehog and Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. But like, not like a complete 180 transformation out of nowhere, not really. More like, when those transformations happen for them, it's like a lot of psychological stuff building up within them and coming to the surface. Like... for example...

I have a theory that the Robotnik lineage has a curse, that gives them enhanced intellect and physiology, at the price of their sanity and morality if a traumatic event or high levels of stress occur, or whatever. Like, Maria's death for Gerald, or never being taken seriously cause of Eggman's failures for Nega.

So, let's say Ivo Robotnik, because of the stuff that happened with Gerald and Maria, is on the verge of going mad but he's trying to fight it. So he changes his name to Ovi Kintobor in an attempt to run from the madness, and becomes a technical advisor at G.U.N or whatever like the reboot Archie comics backstory.

When the Sonic Bible or Fleetway-esque accident occurs, with the negative energy of chaos or whatever, it's bringing forth that pent-up rage and madness and stuff, and almost like...unleashing his ""true"" self or something.
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>>186924598
Thing is, we don't have many, if any villains that aren't Eggman or monsters that serve/betray him or aren't Storybook exclusive. The ones from the Tails games are deader than dead and will never be relevant, the Rogues are only relevant in Riders and I'll give you a guess as to how that subseries is doing, the Deadly 6 are the first but they're shit and even then are tied to the Lost Hex. Team Dark gives you villains that are
>Not tied to Eggman
>Bounce off the main cast well
>Aren't aliens or monsters but animal people like Sonic, something which is shockingly rare
>Can easily be translated to gameplay
>Can work on their own if you don't want them as a team
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>>186924338
That's actually quite nice thing of you to say anon. :)

>>186924598
Yeah SEGA Forums are pretty fucking bad.
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>>186924912
Oh, I also forgot
>Female villain that is relevant outside of spinoffs (comparatively)
>Aren't tied to a specific location or plot unlike Dark Gaia or Merlina or the Zeti
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>>186925020
I'm more mad at the game not meeting my expectations than I am at other people liking it, really. The only thing that affects is whether or not SEGA emulates its successes or flees from its failures.

It's upsetting to me because I'm afraid it will succeed despite its flaws and they'll learn what I feel are the wrong lessons from the game.
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>>186924908
That's pretty cool. I like it.
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>>186924598
>full villains, but not full-fledged heroes either.
You mean like true neutral?

I was thinking on the lines of petty villany, but good guys when it really matters.
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>>186924908
That's a pretty unified way of doing it, I'd pretty much just make him from a really wealthy family that changed their name from Robotnik to distance themselves from Gerald, only for Ivo to change it back because he's an attention-seeking manchild.

I do like the idea of Sonic and Eggman initially being friends, since (at least initially for Sonic) they're both pretty egotistical and selfish, only to have a falling out over Sonic liking the natural world and Eggman having zero respect for it as anything but resources.
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>>186922890
I'd look forward to that in March.

>>186924114
Glad you're having more fun with CD, anon.
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>>186925261
A lot of games succeed despite it's flaws cod
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>>186925261
Well i'm sorry to say but that sounds like a personal problem Anon.
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>Team Sonic are a perfect heroic team for the series
>Team Dark could provide great coverage as antihero/villains to cause shit
>Team Rose are a great supporting cast
>Team Chaotix are perfect for oddball jobs and side stories like Knuckles in 3&K or Mania
>Team Hooligan also make for the occasional oddball antagonist
>Blaze and Silver can show up occasionally when need be
>Eggman and the bots make for a good comic trio and genuine villains
>Not even getting to Honey, Vanilla, Metal Sonic, etc.

And yet Sonic Team has no idea what to do with any of these characters and would rather introduce new elements like Chip, Wisps, Classic characters, Zeti or OCs every game to "freshen" things up
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>>186925821
>And yet Sonic Team has no idea what to do
Story of Sonic Team's life.
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>merkel
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>>186925821
Yeah, seems like it's a common thing with jp devs.

>>186925261
Care to elaborate?
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>>186926129
>Ex-Aid
what
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>>186925442
The way that I intend to do Sonic and Eggman's, or Nicky and Ovi's, friendship is, with shades of the elements that would make them enemies. Like, Nicky liking nature and freedom, and Ovi liking machines and structure, and they'd disagree over which is better, but never in a very big way, and their differences would make them even better friends, until things explode.

Anyways, something else about Ovi Kintobor is that, continuing from how he's still Eggman, just not evil and mad and stuff, he'd feel that the natural world is too chaotic, and because of how he feels about what happened with his grandfather and cousin, along with the dark thoughts in the deep corners of his mind, he'd think that the chaos in nature breeds destruction and malevolence, and thus evil. He'd think it would be better if the world was like a well oiled machine. Everything has it's place, it's purpose, in a much grander design structure. He feels deep down that the world would be better if he can make that a reality, but he's aware that that idea is connected to the madness within him, so he'd then come up with a plan to rid the world, and thus himself, of "Evil" entirely, with the legendary Chaos Emeralds being the keys to doing that, since he'd believe that Chaos = Evil (which isn't true). And thus, that's when he'd set out to build the... ""Retro Orbital Chaos Compressor""? I can't remember what it's called...
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>>186925821
>Team Hooligan
>Honey
don't exist :)
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>>186925821
blaze should be in team rose

the whole thing with her and silver needs to be dropped
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>>186925775
It is.

I want Sonic to be successful, I just wish they'd have more faith in the parts that are actually good, like Boost, Adventure, maybe a little Shooting or Beat em up and utilizing its strong cast of characters, rather than being so desperate to recapture the financial success that was Generations by shoehorning in Classic Sonic's imitation gameplay and nothing else.

Generations was fine, but it's far too soon to resort to just making a noisier Generations 2.

>>186926129
I need context on this image immediately because that is incredible.
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>>186926371
The whole thing with her and Silver is non-existent outside of 06.
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>>186926441
and yet they still stick them together
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>>186926371
She doesn't really have a thing with Silver apart from that one line in Colors.
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>>186926364
What's it matter? They can just be brought back like Chaotix and rebooted as a new thing entirely. Knuckles Chaotix isn't canon either

>>186926371
I lump them together because they're in similar situations. It's hard to just dump them into a plot and call it a day, both are far distances away from the main characters and would only be really necessary to bring back if the plot demanded it

Unless time travel and dimension hopping genuinely are that easy
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>>186926538
According to sonic runners it's just like living down the street
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>>186926538
>>186926538
>Unless time travel and dimension hopping genuinely are that easy
Yep.
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>>186926896
It is when you have superspeed, just ask The Flash.
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>>186926371
>blaze should be in team rose
why?
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>>186926830
>according to a mobile game that gives throwaway explanations for simple noncanon fun,
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>>186926963
What about Colors DS and Generations?
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>>186925821
>Knuckles should be dropped from Team Sonic and be brought back with the Chaotix especially since he's more of a loner & does his own thing
>Sonic & Tails work together with the occasional helping from Knuckles
>Amy needs to get back on track from her Adventure character development and be on par with the main 3 (Knuckles, Tails, and Sonic) power / relevance wise. Maybe a little aged up for this and also ditch the Cream and Big thing because I see no point.
>Team Dark is okay but I prefer them as anti heroes who stay out of Sonic's way.
>I don't know how I feel about "Team Hooligan" as I personally like the idea of Fang working for himself. If they ever appear they have to start up shit and basically be the Wario & Waluigi over their universe.
>Blaze can show up but Silver is too complicated to explain half the time
>Eggman and the Hard boiled Heavies would be great
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>>186918823
Since when?
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>>186926538
Nega, Silver, and Blaze can pop up any time they want now and fuck around
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>>186926940
Big is pretty much fully retired by this point and not likely to make any new appearances outside of cameos. He was never a major character to begin with. The only reason he was added to Team Rose was padding. Hell, the only reason Team Rose was made was padding since Cream was originally going to debut in Heroes before Advance 2 got to her first

>>186927038
>Colors DS
Definitely noncanon
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>>186926404
Well tell you what, if you want all that stuff to be the next Sonic game then start writing letters and shit to them developers of the game so that they ca get an idea of what the fans want, for right now all you can do is support Forces so that they can continue to make them games that you want them to make.
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>>186927038
Colors DS is full of idiotic throwaway dialogue, anon.

>>186927117
I'll wait for a sale unless they're saving a whole lot of good stuff that hasn't been shown yet.
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>>186926940
cause it makes sense and its cute.

Big wont be appearing in any big role for a while or even forever
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>>186927064
I agree with all of this, though I think you need a little Silver to appease the fans of him.
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>>186927106
>Rivals 1 & 2
>Colors DS
>Generations
>Runners
>25th anniversary comics
>Maybe Forces
There's a point where time/dimension travel is just kindergarden talk, and this is it.
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>>186927064
For the most part this is a good idea. By Heroes though Knuckles was good enough friends with Sonic and Tails to join them on adventures. Not all of them, but enough. Amy should be a part of their team though since Team Rose as a whole is obvious padding

I think the Hard Boiled Heavies are going to stay exclusively to the Mania universe, if Infinite doesn't bring them back (Which I fuckin doubt)
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>>186927265
Agree, I could Knuckles some a stogie though.
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>>186927295
Most of those are minor, possibly noncanon games that were made by third party developers for portable systems just so they could have a game

Generations and Forces hold a lot more weight than the rest though and those are played up as really, really big deals
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>>186926404
>I need context on this image immediately because that is incredible.
Gamescom opening
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>>186927265
That's my fav classic drawing.

Its actually fits the character instead of that "BABY SONIC IS MY SON XDDD MY BEAUTIFUL HEDGEHOG BABY AAAAAAHH" bullshit the fanbase started
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>>186926129
Emu what are you doing here
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>>186927295
Time travel arcs are full of plotholes and always feel like an asspull.
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>>186926525
That only happened in Colors DS and they only did that for a "Do I know you?" "Don't think so" gag.
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>>186927457
All of those games are canon
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>>186927585
I'm sure they are to you
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I like Ian Flynn, but I've heard he's open about his hatred for certain characters and has actually shafted the paneltime of characters he didn't like. Is this true?
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>>186927654
Sega and common sense pretty much confirm they are canon

hell Sonic r is considered canon and that was made by Travelers Tales!
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>>186927585
Yeah man, a pair of shitty PSP games where Eggman invents a magic camera that turns anything you shoot into cards is canon.

>>186927684
First I've heard of this. Who are you thinking he "openly hates" and "shafted"?
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>>186927684
Which characters so I know whether to hate him or not
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>>186927684
What characters does he hate?
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>>186927471
>Its actually fits the character
But Sonic said that smoking isn't cool

>>186927684
Only one I've heard he didn't care for was Amy at first, but he's come around to her
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>>186927654
I'm sure they are to Sega, too, considering that everything from those games was brought back/acknowledged since then. The Rivals games are canon, since those games introduced everyone to Silver after 06 and before Colors DS/Generations. Colors DS is canon since Mother Wisp was acknowledge in Runners.
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>>186927684
Only for comic OCs that nobody liked anyway. For game and cartoon characters, his biggest mistake is pandering to the fans too much, which led to a bloated cast and not enough opportunities for screen time for most characters, but he did at least try with them.
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>>186926538
>Unless time travel and dimension hopping genuinely are that easy
Well I mean, Sonic does bounce between two worlds freely
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>>186927756
Nega's profile on sonic channel confirmed Rivals events are canon.

its the game that explains how silver knows sonic friends after 06 erased events
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>>186927841
>Runners
>Canon
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>>186927064
>>Amy needs to get back on track from her Adventure character development and be on par with the main 3 (Knuckles, Tails, and Sonic) power / relevance wise.

The answer is Nimue, the Lady of the Lake. The Black Knight counterparts share the same abilities as their main world variants, so the same should apply to Amy. Her love for fortune telling and mystic things should be expanded to having great power and skill over arcane magic and mystic arts. Amy being aware of what's happening on the mystic side of things, with knowledge of destiny and fate, would work very well for a greater dynamic with Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. Tails' technology and intelligence, Knuckles' knowledge of ancient cultures, and Amy's skill in magic and fortune telling, all alongside Sonic himself being the Hero in the lead, would work extremely well, in conjuction with their dynamic as Sonic's support, rival, and love interest respectively.
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>>186927756
That was Eggman Nega, which you'd know if you played the game/did any kind of research.
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>>186927896
>>186927971
I'm aware it was Nega, but I did not know they ruined Eggman Nega by making that version of him canon.

I'm so fucking tired of 06.
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>>186927953
Why isn't it canon? It was conceptualized and given an original story by Sonic Team and doesn't contradict anything in the other games.
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>>186927265
I don't either.
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>>186928126
Rivals Nega is better than rush nega anyways
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>>186927265
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>>186927684
The only character I remember him explicitly hating was Drago. He still used him but he always made sure he got a punch in the face each time.
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>>186927815
>But Sonic said that smoking isn't cool

the kinds of people who say that are always the ones who do it
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>>186927958
Oh, and building off of this, it would also work well with SEGA's recent attempts at pairing Amy and Knuckles as a sub-team when Sonic and Tails are separated from them. Knuckles' knowledge of ancient things plus Amy's knowledge of mystic things... ancient cultures having mystical prophecies of destined events is something both Knuckles and Amy would be aware of from their own skills and knowledge... Just imagine how perfect it would be.
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>>186928286
I think Drago is the only fictional character meant to be hated that I actually hate.
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>>186928394
>Just imagine how perfect it would be.
It's not
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>>186927684
I remember him not liking the following game characters
>Amy (He did come around to her though)
>Babylon Rogues
>Blaze (Less dislike more indifference iirc)
Outside of that, he has a pronounced dislike for AoSTH and characters like Drago and Tommy, who he murdered.
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>>186927958
Hmm yes, not bad. I don't believe this side has been used in any other Sonic character before, has it?

Also, I see Amy as being a support for characters as a whole not just for Sonic. Like how she defended Tails, talked some sense into Shadow, helped Gamma, ect. Amy should be the "loving" archetype where she gives everyone affection and emotional support.
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>>186928226
Rush Nega made more sense than Rivals Nega.
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>>186928472
Oh, wait, I think he said he disliked Marine.
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UNDERGROUND REPLAY ON NOW AT cytu,be/r/sthg
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>>186928627
>he disliked Marine.
Who doesn't?
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>>186928627
Who doesn't? Bitch hasn't showed up for over a decade for a reason
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>>186928131
Runners also explains why Wisps are still around and that Knuckles hides the M.E. when he's away. Runners had a better grasp of the lore of this franchise than most 3D games had in the past 7 or so years.
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>>186928703
>Marine was a decade ago
My lord how time flies
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>>186928703
It's funny, I think the last time she showed up was in the comics, and even then it was for one arc at the start of the reboot
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>>186928394
I agree. I also have a soft spot for Amy & Shadow being paired together. Amy's "light" feminine character works well with more intense masculine characters. Even Amy & Blaze would work similarly.

>>186928451
Why you dont like it?
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Ian Flynn is a decent writer but I was never a fan of his execution with some of my favorite characters. Also, I think he didn't really "know" some characters and lacked a kind of intuitive understanding of what they are
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>>186928517
Basically the answer is expanding on what CD said about her being an optimistic and energetic tomboy who loves Sonic, fortune-telling and mystic things.

>>186928595
Eggman Nega works better as Eggman's descendent who grew to resent his ancestor and his failures, and was driven mad by it. Being his counterpart from a different dimension makes no sense because Blaze isn't a male hedgehog named "Sonic-Nega". Why would Blaze's world ONLY have a direct counterpart of Eggman who's literally another Eggman except crazy, and no one else? Blaze is thematically another Sonic but has a completely different name and appearance and even gender and stuff, so wouldn't it make more sense if her Eggman was a lot different as well?
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https://youtu.be/fq_SkzWG_ho
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>we need more villains
>let's turn the antiheroes into complete villains

Or you could, you know, make more recurring villains without gutting others' characterization?
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N E W T H R E A D W H E N ? ! ? ! ?
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>>186928967
The name Eggman Nega as a whole makes no sense to begin with, and makes even less sense as a descendant of Eggman

What the fuck does Nega mean? Negative? As in an alternate counterpart? Or is it just a shitty name like Ivo? But then why isn't it Nega Eggman instead?

Needless to say, nobody gives a fuck about the character anymore to the point he has two backstories, and practically two personalities
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>>186928958
Such as?
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>>186928958
Which characters do you think this applyed to? Imo his Sonic was off for a really, really long time and I don't think he quite got Tails. Also the Eggman/Joker comparison he made was dumb, especially when he didn't write Eggy like the Joker (Which was for the better imo)
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>>186929084
They were gutted once when they were already villains, gutting them again is not much of a stretch.
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>>186929251
>Also the Eggman/Joker comparison he made was dumb

Huh? When did he do that?
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>>186928967
Nega being called Nega was definitely a mistake. I feel like that was done by or for stupid people, when he really could have just been called Eggman / Robotnik and be a similar person in the alternate dimension. You're right in that it would make him the only parallel individual we see, which would be weird?

Plus there's the whole "Rush did Eggman Nega first" thing so I'm gonna be more inclined to buy that backstory of just being Blaze's altworld Eggman than the bizarre rehash of the character for a throwaway pair of PSP games.
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>>186929084
If only SEGA would make Tails' Adventure and Knuckles' Chaotix important main games, and bring the Battlekukku Army and Nocturnus Clan back as big enemy factions for Tails and Knuckles, along with Wendy Witchcart and Team Hooligan. That way, with them, and the Deadly Six, we have a lot of villains.

>>186929151
He's like the Reverse-Flash. He hates Eggman and his failures so much that he strives to be the opposite. Thus, "Eggman Nega".
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>>186929151
Eggman Nega, meaning opposite, since unlike Eggman who wants the world intact and doesn't care what people think about him, Eggman Nega wants to destroy the world and wants people to consider him credible.
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>>186929151
He's so obsessed with his ancestor's failings that he's vowed to become the negative image of Eggman, achieving success where Eggman failed. Hence Eggman Nega.
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Sonic Chronicles is probably the most recent non canon game due to penders. I don't mind it since that game was ass and a sequel would of been worse. They were probably planning on making it canon based off the fact that there's a course in the winter olympic games from chronicles.

The only bad thing is that will be the last time Gemerl will be seen or mentioned ever again.
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>>186929224
>>186929251
His Amy was pretty meh and he got Rouge & Shadow's dynamic too off
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>>186929430
Chronicles ruined the Gizoid among other things so it's probably better that it wasn't taken seriously. The game is kind of a shitshow.
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>>186929462
I feel the exact opposite. IMO he wrote the best version of Amy this side of SA1 and the best TEam Dark this side of 06
>>186929334
In some character notes he did
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>>186929526
I like Sonic Chronicles "on paper", but it's execution... not so much. I think it should just be rewritten, removing the "2 years timeskip" thing and the sequel hook ending, and just place it after Sonic Advance 3 and before '06/Rush/Rivals.
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>>186927064
I think Fang, Bean, and Bark teaming up should be an occasional thing. Fang would generally work alone and Bean and Bark would be two neutral goobers that sometimes causes mischief and helps the heroes. Fang would only call them win he needs extra help (and fall guys and meat shields if a heist or something has a 80% chance of going to shit).
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>>186929653
Wasn't this first major fail of BioWare?

Should have gotten Square to make a Sonic RPG.
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>>186929713
I think that's generally how their dynamic is already supposed to be. It's like, Fang is the Knuckles to Bean & Bark's Sonic & Tails.
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>>186929773
It came out around the time BioWare was being bought out by EA. Not only was it a flop but the cause of the Pendering and completely eradicated the BioWare handheld division single-handedly

It's amazing how bad that game is. It was the catalyst for a lot of problems
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Inb4 fanbase is flooded with more OCs than usual and autists keep begging Sonic Team to make another game with an OC maker like people do with the Chao garden.
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>>186929640
>In some character notes he did

Oh that. I think you took him too literally anon. He only compared them that they can both be funny but intimidating.
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>>186918220
>>186924127
she a cute
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>>186929813
Bean and Bark being anything like Sonic & Tails is completely fabricated, they're nothing alike and the only parallels that exist, if any, are created by and for the comic.

>>186929902
The worst part is, they'll actually usually look worse than your average sonic oc. And my biggest fear is that you might be right, no matter how good a character creator it actually ends up being.
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I would like a new thread before you guys forget again please
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>>186929462
>His Amy was pretty meh and he got Rouge & Shadow's dynamic too off

I hope you mean pre-reboot cause both was perfect after, though I still don't see the problem.
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>>186929713
>>186929813
If they kept to Bean and Bark's original characterization then both would be heroic instead of villainous, but before Mania neither of them showed up in anything since The Fighters and Fighters Megamix in 1996/7 (and the subsequent Fighters re-release but that's not a new game) so any future appearance may as well do whatever the devs want to do with them.
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>>186930067
>Bean and Bark being anything like Sonic & Tails is completely fabricated, they're nothing alike and the only parallels that exist, if any, are created by and for the comic.
I think he just meant in associative dynamic.
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>>186929902
But my OC is a Chao made in the Chao Garden
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>>186930085
No
Here is where we die
Embrace the end
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Can we let the general die again?
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>>186930159
fuck you

>>186930204
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WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NEW THREAD?
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New thread
>>186930305
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>>186930139
>original characterization

Which was?
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>>186930286
>>186930334
How many times does this happen?
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>>186930286
>>186930334
Fuck both of you. You messed it up.
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>>186930336
Bean is a woodpecker who loves sports, especially soccer.

Bark is a pro snowboarder with a good heart and a bit shy.
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>>186930334
Wow this thread is fucking shit

>>186930424
Occasionally
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>>186929875
Chronicles actually got a fairly positive score from critics. It's metacritic score hovering at about 74/100, it faired much better than most other games. Even Unleashed got lower scores.
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>>186930565
Wow you're fucking shit
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>>186930336
Bark was supposed to be kind and gentle, using his strength as a last resort, and really big on snowboarding.

Bean (who's a woodpecker by the way, not a duck) loves explosives and sports, especially soccer, but was not described as crazy or villainous. He was directly based on the characters from Dynamite Dux, who were heroic.
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>>186901429
What even is he
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>>186919065
I'm pretty sure Buddy is a wolf
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>>186931081
An intern duh.
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