/4ccg/ - What is This Place? Edition

>>186738501
I want to fuck that slut

This one is technically a few seconds earlier but I like

>>186738501

More because it has gondola in it.

>>186738703

by which I mean >>186738530

Sorry I got brain problems

I can't believe /aesco/ is fucking dead.

>>186738678
Do either of them browse /cm/?

The whole point of the cull was to get rid of filler teams whose boards didn't have enough interest to prove it themselves. Boards got axed because of it. Now, /cm/ gets a free pass because lmao Lear says so? It's bad enough he's making /trv/'s export, he's going to do /cm/'s polls now? It's a farce.

IM IN A CLAL RIGHT NIOW WITH DRAGONFAG BAN ME FROM SUMMERLSLAM

i like this thread

>>186739254
kk

>>186738970
It lives on, comrade, join the revolution

>>186739406
ty

>>186739108
>Do either of them browse /cm/?
DF does, but they were the ones who threw a shitfit because he made a POI poll.
Don't like it, then do it yourself.

>>186739576
You can't do a /cm/ poll now, because it could be DF.

>>186739108
Except that /cm/ got 10 times the replies /trv/ got.

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ITS FUCKING NAKAMURA TIME FUCKERS

>>186741130
Can't hinder the Jinder

>>186738501
artist is homura subaru

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Here's your end of the first week Golden Spoon Cup standings

Saturday games that actually matter:
/g/ v /gd/
/vg/ v /int/
/r9k/ v /tg/

Meme games that don't really matter:
/h/ v /s4s/
/lgbt/ v /toy/
/o/ v /mlp/
/m/ v /a/
/sci/ v /pol/

Hat Pick: /b/

>>186741418
We already knew.

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>>186742490
forgot pic

>>186739576
You're acting like /cm/ needs to be in the cup, but they don't. If they can't demonstrate interest on their own, then they should be out. The last thing we want is cup personalities propping up dead teams.
t. Lear and the Cull Co.

fuck

>>186742681
>only 1 team would be aborted from that

>>186742760
THE MODERN DAY MAHARAJA!!!

>>186742681
I want /b/ to win all the way

>>186742964
I could live with that.

>>186742372
LGTSS
>using legit sliders and keeping the 185cm GK in
>using height abuse
>using the Summer export
>5atb
>gold attackers
>using the Summer export

>>186742372
/lgbt/ have been really good, I'm expecting they mustardrace all the way to the finals.
/mlp/ will probably 9 point as well off another 90++ because it's rigged.

>>186738501
sauce on op pic pls

>>186743694
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_momoyuri_academy_secret_soapland_club_r#1

>>186742808
It'd actually be 2 aborted. 12 team fetus right now would be 12/10 same as last fetus except the best last place team advances too. which is 200% retard, so of course /merit/ would do it

>>186743865
Thanks man

>/u/shit OP
Fuck off, two-time losers.

>>186744768
I'd rather not win the 4CC than be a brony.

>>186744768
Love you too honey.

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>>186744768
You could have stopped this

>>186744768
Reminder that being second just means you're better than every other team exept one

>they're still arguing
Holy shit

>>186746061
And it will continue until DF is finally removed.

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>>186745553
Lets also remind Marsh to change that horrid logo. Wheres designer anon?

>>186746061
Getting rid of /aesco/ is the most retarded decision we've made in a long time.

>>186745718
if you ain't first you're last

>>186746061
Holy fucking shit dude.

>>186746554
Who will make aesthetics now?

>>186746647
/aesco/, just not with any 4cc sanction

What, you thought they sank hours into shit
>for free
because they didn't give a shit?

The 4cc is reclining.

>>186746554
On the contrary, it allowed DF to join freely.

>>186747006
Like PMB's hairline lmaoooooo

>>186746548
>horrid logo
But that's a good thing since it's is fitting for what /wsg/ is these days

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>>186743865
>expect another heavy ecchi non-h yuri bullshit
>tags: Bath Big breasts Incest Lots of sex NSFW Orgy School girl Threesome Yuri
Thank you anon.

>>186746554
Putting Lear in charge was.
Good job Boris you played yourself.

>>186746548
>tfw not enough board culture to deserve a cool ass logo/team revamp.

who here supports a /wsg/ revival?

Wait wait wait... Does aseco gonna help with the autumn cup?

>>186747468
Aesthetics are now banned because there's no guarantee dragonfag had nothing to do with them

>>186747142
You're not wrong. Maybe someday.

>>186746647
Aesco made up of exactly the same guys except slightly harder for new managers to contact and with DF as part of it. And is still going to be defacto official because if neither Shakes or Ramen are around to submit aesthetics they're not going to reject someone like Sappho submitting them even if he isn't official.

So all that has happened is that aesco is harder for new people to contact to ask for/learn to make new models. But this is apparently fine because Noteperson has made /aesco/ obsolete.

>>186746548
Is that legit? If so about fucking time. Looks ace.

>>186747006

The fact that we had this big of a shitstorm in the off-season is actually a healthy sign.

>>186747457

>Marshy
>/wsg/ success
Pick one.

>>186747768
>with DF as part of it.
been at work all day but what the fuck how is this allowed?
He was banned, super banned, permanently.

>>186748238
Aesco isn't official now.

>>186748238
/aesco/ accepts basically anyone who is capable of making decent models, can you guess why a team like /asp/ has actual aesthetics now?

>>186748238
Because /aesco/ is about actually getting shit done instead of toplad circlejerking like /merit/

>>186748285
>>186748362
>>186748404
Dragonfag was banned from the wiki, and wasn't allowed to touch the cup with a 10-foot pole, but suddenly "well okay if he wants to help we can change the rules for him."
Are people this stupid?

>>186747768
Could you be more dramatic?

>>186748404
Unlike Discord, right? Totally not a circlejerk that targeted people in /merit/ to harass in DF's favor. Nope.

>>186748516
Yes

>>186748516
Comes down to whether or not you want to ban /n/ aesthetics from the cup and even if you did proving that the /n/ managers didn't make them.

>>186748516
DF will be allowed to manage again in Spring. Cap this.

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>>186746548
>/wsg/
Its a nice change, if not a bit unconventional but good luck with board interest.

>>186748596
Jesus, you're really living in your own fantasies, PMB.

>>186748596
Fuck off PMB.

>>186748516
When you win aesthetic auties you must have that 10 foot pole up your ass to refuse him doing more aesthetic work.

>>186748708
>as viewership drops more and more from shitty managment
>ex-dragonfag teams hold more "polls"
>Dragonfag allowed to manage
>to "save the cup" he is allowed to manage multiple teams
>Lear never gets impeached

more likely than you would think!

>>186748596
How am I being dramatic? Point out one place where I am wrong in that post.

Aesco discord is no longer on the wiki so Aesco is harder to contact for new people.
Aesco defacto still exists in an official capacity because if Shakes and Ramen aren't around the streamer is still going to accept the cpks from another aesco person.
Df is now part of aesco.

>>186748708
Dragongate match records will be reinstated by 2020. Cap this.

Just assassinate Durgen. All problems will be gone.

you guys really like taking this kickyball event seriously, huh

>>186749127
fuck this divegrass autism, i only stick around here for the drama

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>>186747887
Nah. Some anon made it in the previous threads. Its well liked, but no one cares about /wsg/ for it to matter.

>>186749127
t. dragonfag's cock sock

>>186749127
It fills time.

>>186748836
Rent
>>186748839
Free
>>186748976
>Noteperson made /aesco/ obsolete
Drama drama drama

Will videos of the Golden Spoon go up on the channel later?

>>186749339
They're on the 4CC comfy channel, since that's where they're streamed from.

>>186749265
PMB said it himself.

>>186749430
Proofs

>>186749265
Noteperson is literally a useless dipshit leftover from when /mlp/ hijacked /merit/. Shocking that the team went to shit after Tony and his dickriders stopped controlling everything.

The cup would be better if everyone who posted in the 4cc discord today fucked off forever. Every single one.
Debate me on this.

>>186749520
You need Jesus.

>>186749603
Yes. The cup would be much better if it was dead and over. We would finally be free.

>>186749520
They won a cup after Tony quit senpai.

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>>186746548
>>186746548
>>186746548

>>186749127
I'm only here for anime girls

>>186748762
I think Totally Not Just A Shitty /f/ Guys are on probation right now. Which means as it stands their culling is coming a cup too late because now that /t/ are gone they're pretty much the resident model for how NOT to run a team.

>>186749127
i'm just here for memegrass and salt

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>>186749430
>>186749503
He didn't say /aesco/ was obsolete, but he did imply that getting new people isn't needed because of Note

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>>186749894
>Page 1

>>186750101
bad show, bad filename. You are not my girlfriend.

>>186750101
id like to skydive in that mikasa's air nawmsayn

>>186750153
>waifufag pretends like he wouldnt slurp that mikasa pussy

>>186749017
>/sp/ unironically gets their 2012 Summer star back

Yeah, because THAT will go over well with most of /4ccg/.

t. /sp/ lifelong

>>186750276
Once JB wins three in a row, no one will care about giving back the fifth.

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>>186750101
>early
fuck it

>page 5

>>186750529
>JB
>Still believing the meme
He's just letting DF borrow his trip so he can manage again until the rules let him manage, the "JB" will retire and DF will take over again.

/a/ poll when?

>>186750962
Never. /a/ management is too busy circlejerking.

>>186750962
Manager said after the DBS spics sperging was over.

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>>186738501

>>186750962
When /j/ is in a cup.

>>186751210
ok thank you dag

>>186751376
we'll be waiting a while then, we all know how this site's mods like offtopic fun

>>186751142
>implying the chads of /a/ will ever back down

>>186749965
Should marsh step away guys?

>>186746548
OC should revamp a more worthy team. I personally like /wsg/ myself but its true they got hella work to do. They dont deserve this atm.

>>186750962
They were going to do it yesterday but then /a/ sperged out because of the sticky.

/co/ poll when?

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>Page 9

>>186754436
Is it finally over or did everyone just go to bed and we'll have round 2 tomorrow?

>>186754498
Lurkin the past 2hrs. I think theyve finally gone to bed.

>>186751509
they have backed down already, my filtered threads have been in the single digits since yesterday

neo-ag was just biding its time for all these years, manipulating everything behind the cup

>>186747768
Dude I'm still the fucking /aesco/ gofer, just let me know what to tell dudes and I can tell them. This shit doesn't need to be hard.

Rules are sacred documents that protect the integrity of the cup and should never be altered or bent.

Now let's shitpost about how there won't be any rules changes for Autumn despite height abuse and centring targets being broken.

>>186756750
you just need to git gud

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>page 9

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Bump before sleep

>>186756725
You're just a drunk tripfag attentionwhore. Please fuck off forever.

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>Boris acting like he's still in charge and being a hypocrite
>PMB goes on a retarded tear about rules and integrity
>NBD is apparently the person who convinced a drunken Boris to go nuclear
>shadowtester says "at least someone remembered why we banned him"
So this was literally just 2014-era horsefucker-ran merit, most of which don't even do anything in the cup anymore, clinging to and shoving in any tiny shred of power they can like they used to, fucking incredible

>>186761940
it's surely just a coincidence anon ^:)

>>186761940
they really, REALLY do not want to play in a fetus, you can taste it.

>>186762094
You haven't heard? /ourboy/ kicked them all out.

>>186761940
Horsefuckers are just asswipes, except for Note who got dragged in this mess so that PMB could shitpost about aesthetics.

>>186755186
Drama is life to some people here.

>>186745553
Someone had to stay down.

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It cannot even begin until later

Dude, crosses, LMAO

Thank god my team doesn't play in the trainwreck that will be Autumn.

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>tfw page 9 anime anon is dead

>>186767705
>tfw you'll never cosplay Majokko Mirakurun

Is klaxa dead?

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is /mlp/ still the most hated team?

>>186768767
Would you rather have /lgbt/ be back to back champions or /mlp/ win a third?

>>186767705
i can't post in my sleep

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>>186769232
would it be the first back to back? if it is I'll let the true autism speak and say /mlp/

>>186761940
Well it's not the first time horsefuckers caused/amplified drama. Or that DF related things were noticed by merit rather later.
That DF made aesthetics and showed interest in doing aesthetics for /cm/ has been known for months. He was open about it and nobody said anything back then. Stances just keep changing, at one time DF is invited to IRC for discussing rule changes and then people demand that everything he touched gets burned. There isn't really any consistency. Reason for that could be that a couple of merit members don't give a fuck and the ones with a huge hateboner aren't the most perceptive or need to be triggered first since most aren't really active anymore. That merit is out of touch has been brought up over the years often and it is what it is.
As usual the whole thing blew up because people wouldn't sleep over it and look for a reasonable solution. Boris tends to be too rash, which is why Lear does no decisions, but also cause Boris hates this drama and he really really should stick to streaming only. PMB pretty much should be ignored 1 minute into any discussion, since by then the legit argument he had turned into only shitflinging and drama. Anyone else could do better with it and form proper arguments, instead of only using ad hominems that fit him better than anyone else. Complaining about circlejerks when he organised a panel at a con, he should be majorly ignored. It's not the first time used their power to get merit to do something they want, so the NBD comment could be true. Shadowtester thinks we banned DF over aesthetics and fully transparent work for a team, so there is that.
Now AesCo sees itself in danger of having merit dictate politics they don't like or are simply stupid. A lot of people are annoyed by the drama in the cup, the red tape and overcomplication. It's pretty much killed comfy into becoming a circlejerk with only like 5 different people streaming with everyone else being driven off by annoying rules.

>>186769512
It would be the second*.

>>186768767
Pretty much, there are reasons for it afterall and I have it in good authority that the current /mlp/ staff are horrible people.

>>186770330
Really? Only ones I know are Magicblue and Note and they are all pretty nice

>>186770330
Magicblue is a great lad and note is alright. All the dickheads aren't managing anymore. just shadowing everyone who is

>>186753007

Probably not for a while. Maybe late September

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>>186750054
>He didn't say /aesco/ was obsolete, but he did imply that getting new people isn't needed because of Note

Final in autumn will be /b/ and /s4s/. You have been warned

>this is still going on
Come on, there's nothing left to discuss. /cm/ can play on their current proof, DF can do aesthetics and he's banned from official cup channels. End of story.

/b/ /pol/ /r9k/ and /mlp/ will be the top 4 teams in autumn

Screencap this

>>186771916
I'd like it

>/mlp/ avoided Dragongate because "they didn't use his tactics"
>They are the group of people trying to keep him away from the cup.
Really activates your hat-wearing-appendage.

/x/ just doomed the world

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>>186761940
You're extrapolating a whole lot from a whole little. Boris said yesterday that if they'd voted on it, /cm/'s poll would've been voided. That means a majority in /merit/ felt that way, not just NBD and Boris.

Boris wasn't being a hypocrite.

PMB showed up to the Discord debate after it already started and was the only horsefucker there other than Magic Blue (who supported /cm/ playing).

NBD has history with DF. Really bakes your noodle.

You got shadow right, but that was a stray comment today, not in the heat of things going down.

Do you see horsefucker conspiracies in your closet at night?

>>186771065
>>186771146
Oh, did they kill off so many from their council? I'll be damned, well guess it's then that the former staff are now bitter cunts ready to shit up everything.

>>186772051
>banning Dragonfag is shitting up everything
Who could be behind this post?

>>186772018
>Boris wasn't being a hypocrite.
He praised DF multiple times on stream about how the Betting House was something good for the cup and didn't care about him being in official channels till 12 hours ago.

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>>186771916
/b/ vs /mlp/ final when

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>>186772301

>>186772326
Nah. /b/ versus /r9k/ for faggotry bowl

>>186772301
When did boris praise him? I'm going to need some evidence

>>186772362
>Wow i didn't know Rigtor was Dragonfag
>Not did i know Dragonfag in the discord and Irc was Dragonfag
>Not did i know the Dragonfag in /aesco/ open channel posting new aesthetics is Dragonfag
This is the people who cling to be in /merit/.

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Take it easy!

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>>Gracen reversed his decision and banned Dragonfag from managing.
Where does it say Dragonfag can't make aesthetics or post in 4chan? The only thing said in Dragongate is that he is banned from managing.

>>186772660
>I made a mistake in the past, so now I'm never ever allowed to make things right and have to go on making that mistake forever
This isn't how life works

>>186773075
I can't tell if you are talking about Boris or Dragonfag there.

What would you imagine the stadiums atmosphere would be like without the PES sounds? What if it reflected the boards in general as well?

>>186774027
I'd love for board specific chants

>>186772362
wow almost like we're saying he did it after he found out

>>186773150
Boris. You're saying because Boris praised the rigshop, he's not allowed to advocate against DF now. I'm saying that's bullshit.

DF getting involved with the cup isn't "making things right." It's DF selfishly putting his desire for participation ahead of the needs of teams. If you're banned and want a team to participate, stay the fuck away from that team, you nonce.

>>186774748
DF making aesthetics is putting his needs ahead of /n/?

>>186774803
DF doing things that involves teams in his baggage is selfish, yes. He explicitly used that as an excuse for continued participation in the cup. He's playing you morons like a fiddle.

If I buy you dinner so I can call in a favor later, that's selfish. "But he paid for it, so it isn't selfish!" is the excuse of an imbecile.

>>186775149
What favor did he call for, though?

>>186775149
>DF doing things that involves teams in his baggage is selfish

>It's selfish to help out the teams you like

>>186775187
His /cm/ poll being used. He parlayed his list of "things I did for the cup" as an excuse for why he should get away with more shit. Almost like he's done this before. It's textbook politics.

>>186775268
How is using a poll he made for /cm/ a favor for him and not for the board itself?

>>186775229
If your help could bring fire down on that team, yes, it's selfish. DF doesn't have to be here, end of story. He's forcing himself into the cup against the wishes of many for his own selfish reasons.

>>186775268
Or maybe he did a poll weeks after first expressing his interest in helping /cm/'s revival, got faced by /merit/ memeber that decided to take action now and rightfully pointed out that he'd been doing stuff like aesthetics or helping out /cm/ in the open for weeks with no reaction from /merit/.

>>186775383
>how is giving him power and influence over a team a favor to him?

>>186775397
>of many

>>186775397
The overwhelmingly majority liked his aesthetics.

>>186775397
If you genuinely want to bring trouble to a team for accepting blenders just for the fact they're DF-branded, then I call that an obsession.

>>186775519
>the apex of democracy that is polling gives power and influence to the guy who did it
If you're going to resort to strawmans there isn't any meaning left to continuing the discussion.

>>186775268
>It's textbook politics.
Yeah, much like the bitching horsefuckers don't care about aesthetics or fans, but getting /mlp/ out of fetus.

>>186775519
it's just a poll. He didn't even attach a name to it. I didn't know anonymous polls were a symbol of authority now.

>>186775757
There's a good chance /mlp/ won't be fetus bound regardless, /x/ reviving now just forces the one day /i/ /pol/ /cm/ /x/ shitter group

>>186776286
We need a 12 team fetus

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Does anyone have the picture of Napoleon getting hit in the head with a macaron I need for reasons

>>186776376
Thanks Lear

Reminder that the /lgbt/ managers are hacks and literally any retard can do well with longball in PES17

>>186776394
He didn't get hit. He ducked under it while looking up at it.

>>186764801
Hey /adv/ can still come back as an autopilot.

Why did this suddenly happen now? DF was talking about reviving /cm/ ever since Spring.

>>186778298
because apparently everyone in /merit/ except Lear had their heads up their asses and don't pay attention to anything.

>>186778298
This just proves /merit/ is complely out of touch with what happens to the cup.

Even most test draws on /4ccg/ had /cm/ in Autumn.

>Lear is the most in touch person in merit.

>>186779753
Lear thinks 12 people in a Discord circlejerk is "everyone." He's not even living in this dimension, he's so out of touch.

>>186779928
t. PMB

>>186747562
Nice, P-kun is the best blender anyway and I can't wait to see him everywhere.

>>186780025
He could've hosted the debate here where more people could've participated, but he chose discord aka nu-IRC. Fact.

>>186774483
We did have them at some point, but they were buggy as shit (SEAGULLS SEAGULLS SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) and made the game even more unstable as well so they were removed. No idea if they were any more stable in later PES games because nobody has tried to bring them back yet.

>>186779753
Why is this a surprise? His role before he became commish was basically "head circlejerker"

>>186780741
I can't tell what's more disgusting about your shitty bait: the fact that you're implying /4ccg/ is ever a stable place to hold discussion, or that you think /4ccg/ would disagree with voiding /cm/'s POI. You're talking about the general which, if memes are to be believed, would force meme teams like /p/ into the cup and then whine when they come close to actually winning. /cm/, meanwhile, has legitimate interest, a lot of people here are a bunch of fucking faggots, and the roster is actually culture now instead of fuccboi names thrown out at random. There is no reason to assume there wouldn't be the exact same result.

>>186781019
*agree with voiding /cm/'s POI

>>186774483
FIGHT
AND WIN

>>186781019
There's 61 unique IDs this this sleepy thread. There were maybe a dozen people that debated in Discord yesterday, and that includes people from /merit/. If the goal was to get outside opinions, then 4chan would've been a better sample size than a circlejerk. You can't argue the numbers.

I don't know how /4ccg/ would've responded, but anyone with a brain could've predicted how the circlejerk would respond, one that DF was very active and welcomed in until yesterday. Really really makes me think why Lear chose that route. Truly a mystery.

>>186774483
COBRAAAAAAAAAA

wait are teams already running polls?
we are easily 9 weeks away from autumn

>>186781818
It's really not that hard to up the number of "unique" IDs and still be samefagging.All it takes is a phone with a data plan and you can run that number up with every single post.

>>186782050
You're suggesting 12 people would create 5 IPs each just to reach this number? Lmao. DF maybe, but nobody else is that autistic.

Put it to you this way
>Let's settle it once and for all, which is the more entertaining team: the Yankees or the Mets
>To decide, I'm going to gather some "outside opinions" by pitching the question to a gathering of Yankees fans and majority rules
Would you call that a fair way to go about things? Of course not.

>>186781818
>>186782513
Hi PMB.

>>186776376
We need /bant/

>>186782663
Hi Discord

Don't let all of this drama distract you from the fact that /ag/ is looking for an excuse to remove everyone currently in /merit/ so they can rebuild it with their own people. Who, I should remind you, are all part of DF's circlejerk and were by far the most adamant in defending /cm/.

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>>186772362
>Rigtor was literally in the Comfy townhall on IRC.
>Everybody was making jokes about him being a gay dragon.
>Boris, PMB and BGP never noticed.

>>186783841
I'm sorry, I was too distracted by the semen demon in your post to pay attention to anything you were saying.

>>186783746
>opposing DF gets people raising torches and pitchforks against you
We live in strange days.

>>186783934
>semen demon
But thats a evil grail.

>>186784003
>Rigtor gets revealed as DF
Nobody cares.
>DF is allowed to use official channels like IRC and discord
Nobody cares.
>DF says his opinion in rules and comfy drama
Nobody cares
>DF makes aesthetics for multiple teams
Nobody cares
>DF makes a poll in /cm/
SHUT
IT
DOWN

>>186783746
>one circlejerk overthrows the other
what would change for me, the viewer?

>>186784309
None of this is true. Some people complained about every single one of these instances.

>cull /cm/
>nothing of value lost
>finish this whole bullshit

>>186784352
cup would probably be more fun

>>186784772
Some people yes, not /merit/ though and now suddently it's a gigantic issue

>>186784997
until nomo deems you a bully and reduces you from the cup

>>186785247
The rigshop happened here, where there's nothing anybody could do about it anyway. Everything else in your list happened after /merit/ got stacked with an even mix of DF's butt buddies and the dead.

>>186785467
>Everything else in your list happened after /merit/ got stacked with an even mix of DF's butt buddies and the dead.
So why the drama now then?

The average viewer doesn't know about DF making aesthetics, or making a poll on /cm/. What people in the inner circlejerk think is or isn't appreciating the law has no impact on the cup itself aside from Boris going to have a breakdown if he has to stream a /cm/ game in Winter.

>>186772018

The irony is that the people who horsefucker conspiracies are a thing are the same people who sit in private groups conspiring about the cup.

Ill doers are ill deemers, and all that.

>>186785654
The dead rose

>>186783934
she's like 10 dude.

>>186785838
are we talking actually 10, or "10"

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>>186785794
>The dead horsefuckers rose to bitch only when /mlp/ risk playing in fetus.

>>186785896
10 as in "she should not use this website" 10.

>>186785896
actual legit primary schooler.

>>186785896
Maydave aproved.

Just going to throw a vote in for banning PMB at this point:
- Deliberately flames and trolls arguments with ad hominem attacks, personal insults, and ignores his own quotes from minutes before in favor of his own arguments.
- Constantly violates Rule #1: "Don't be a Dick" in Discord, IRC, and on stream
- Perpetuates a shitty "E-sport" mentality that nearly every manager/streamer/commentator and all casual fans disagree with.
- Tremendous hypocrite, yelling at others for 'circlejerking' while holding the most cancerous, circle jerk event in the cup's history (Note that he defended this in Discord yesterday by calling it "Not technically against the rules")
- Openly and regularly attempts to undermine cup management during every public discussion, and has openly said this is to attempt to take control of /merit/ and put "his people" in charge.

Lear and /merit/ were doing him a courtesy by not completely unpersoning him the last time he tried to pull this shit. In exchange, they get someone who creates far more drama than any "help" he's claiming to add. Someone who doesn't provide any value to the cup as a manager, creator of content, or organizer. Since he won't do the polite thing and go the way of Tony, it's time for /merit/ to step in and put him on the shitlist.

>>186786463
he's basically OaB/Canadafag 2.0, so I second this motion.

>>186786463
>has openly said this is to attempt to take control of /merit/ and put "his people" in charge.

Has he?

>>186786303
>>186786390
>>186786439
Forgive me Lord, for I must sin. I WILL sin.

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>>186786303
>>186786390
>>186786439
thanks guys, /4ccg/ is useful for helping non-weebs like me as always. can't believe some anon actually thought about lewding a 10 year old, disgusting. two nukes weren't enough.

>>186786690
>non-weeb
now THAT'S disgusting

>>186786463
I am for keeping him around because he undermines his own points and only makes a fool of himself.
You basically won the argument the moment PMB goes against you.

>>186786463
Lmao if you had a strong case, you wouldn't have to fabricate and misrepresent things so badly.

If you ban people for voicing an unpopular opinion in a debate, then you're saying every town hall is a honey pot. Think carefully before you argue for that.

>>186787228
>stop misrepresenting me with direct quotes
PMB pls

>>186786463
>the majority of /merit/ wanted to void the poll
>"I think the majority of /merit/ is right"
Wow, such undermining of cup management.

>>186787228
>your argument is wrong because of either a ridiculous analogy I thought up or a reductio ad absurdum
I don't see any reason to ban you but man, this sure is annoying.

Ban Lear, Tony, PMB and Boris for being dicks and cucks.

Here, problem solved.

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>>186786463
>Deliberately flames and trolls arguments with ad hominem attacks, personal insults, and ignores his own quotes from minutes before in favor of his own arguments.
Considering how adept you guys are at ripping arguments completely out of context, I sincerely doubt it was actually that bad. And it's difficult to not get ad hominem when the subject of the drama is literally a person.

>Constantly violates Rule #1: "Don't be a Dick" in Discord, IRC, and on stream
As does pretty much everyone else. Might as well ban half the cup for this.

>Perpetuates a shitty "E-sport" mentality that nearly every manager/streamer/commentator and all casual fans disagree with.
Except when /mlp/ loses. Then the cup is serious business.

>Tremendous hypocrite, yelling at others for 'circlejerking' while holding the most cancerous, circle jerk event in the cup's history (Note that he defended this in Discord yesterday by calling it "Not technically against the rules")
There's a massive difference between organizing something outside of the cup's influence, and between organizing it within the cup's influence. If someone streams on their own channel being an E-Celeb, it's not circlejerking. If they do it on the cup channel, it is. Again, CONTEXT. Something that seems to be an alien concept to a lot of people.

>Openly and regularly attempts to undermine cup management during every public discussion, and has openly said this is to attempt to take control of /merit/ and put "his people" in charge.
Who are "his people"? This is some serious conspiracy shit, son. Nothing has ever been mentioned to me about this. If "his people" get put in charge, I better get my own friendship throne or something.

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>>186786690
Don't worry anon, her original version from the main universe is legitimately 19 years old.

>>186787498
>"not technically against the rules"
A misleading paraphrase, not a direct quote
>"his people"
100% fabricated, laughably fake lmao.

>>186787760
>Everybody's a dick sometimes
>We should never warn or ban the worst offenders
Again, CONTEXT. OaB and Canadafag were removed because they were consistently personally attacking people. Like PMB is now. It's the same story and he needs to be accountable for it.

#mercyforDF
#banPMB

>>186787904
I want to rip out her heart.

>>186787996

OaB was banned for literally being Dragonfag 2.0

Canadafag was banned because he kept harassing Boris on skype about the cup

If you want to ban people for hating dragonfag, you might as well ban Gracen and Germanbro while you're at it lmao

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>yfw PMB joins the cuckcup and makes it more popular than the 4cc

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>>186788309
Thanks Doc.

>>186788369
I think he wants to ban people for hating everyone. Did you read that chat? I know PMB probably thinks he's being 'noble' and 'saving the cup', but holy shit did he look like a dickhead that came out of nowhere to start shit.

>>186787996
>"banned people shouldn't participate"
>REEEEEEEEE STOP ATTACKING DF
Smdh

>>186788369
OaB was banned for being an asshole and THEN dragongated.

>>186787996
Do you understand the difference between rule breaking/directly pestering people after being asked to stop and voicing an opinion in a public debate?

>>186787904
i texted a weeb friend about this pressing issue, and he just told me pretty much this too, and offered to link me doujins. i said no because knowing him, they're the ones of her as a 10 year old. thanks anyway anon.

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>>186787994
>A misleading paraphrase, not a direct quote
?

>>186788369
I agree, they don't add anything to the cup at this point. Get them out

>>186788803
I never said that.

>>186788841
Like you never said that everyone in Discord is a DF apologist. Oh, I guess that was true since you said it was ALMOST everyone. You got bullied a lot in school, didn't you?

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>>186787760
>I sincerely doubt it was actually that bad. And it's difficult to not get ad hominem when the subject of the drama is literally a person.

>>186789054
He's memeing anon.

>>186789080

I don't see what's wrong with that.

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>>186788937
i'm 99% sure what that is and i'm not clicking on it

>>186788803
When you rephrase it as "not technically against the rules" and leave out the rest, it's misleading because it implies PMB knew the panel was wrong to do, but did it anyway because it wasn't "technically" against the rules. The actual quote doesn't imply anything like that.

Why was the panel being discussed anyway in a debate about DF and /cm/?

>>186789339
>mrt 05 17:57:24 <Pony_me_bro> Keep in mind that "guys who are in IRC right now" isn't exactly a representative group to represent viewers, if you're talking about polling. I could've told you from the list of chatters that there would be a lot of yes votes.
You like reruns that much?

>>186789375
It's surprisingly not.

>>186789764
>"comfy circlejerkers" and "DF did nothing wrong" have a lot of overlap
The mind reels.

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People who use the argument "the Discord channel was hardly a majority" are retarded. Do you honestly believe the majority of cup watchers today that aren't involved in any of the circlejerks give any sort of shit about Dragongate or DF at this point? All they know is that he caused a huge scandal 5 years ago and did the rigshop for years, why would they care now beyond the boogeyman shit?

It's just the excuse people use when their side is losing, "oh, the majority here disagree, but have you asked the entire population of the cup audience? you haven't, so they could side with me and I could be the majority opinion then!" And when you do do a poll during a cup it becomes "but there's potential people who aren't watching that day who could edge my side out as the majority!" People like that won't ever be satisfied and will just keep inventing hypothetical people that agree with them so they can feel like they're 'right' no matter what.

It's just a minority of old assblasted babies who got rused by a teenager in their internet game where memes play football half a decade ago and haven't grown up and let it go already, choosing to wallow in paranoia by painting up some kid as this evil manipulative sociopath instead, and they want to bring up nonsense like integrity and act like this is a fucking government with laws that must be upheld lest society collapse. Fucking pathetic to be honest.

>>186790026
Thy really don't though.

>>186790026
>Dragonfag was against comfy in the Townhall
>PMB didn't bitch about a banned person supporting his argument.
Activating my neurons

Can we talk about anime tiddies instead
All this DF talk is getting old

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>>186789651
It came right after this.

Reminder Gracen only banned DF from managing.
Commentary, Aesthetics, polls and other crap is something /merit/ made up with time.

>>186783841
Post THAT Illya image

>>186790426
Polling the board is one of the main aspects of managing, and arguably the most important one.

>>186788937
as long as they are actually tiddies and not like this >>186790341

>>186789960
i don't know why i believed you, but from now on trusting weebs is entirely off the table

>>186790496
How come Mauled is a manager then?

>>186790496
Polling for interest isn't the same thing as polling as a manager though.

>>186790412
Yeah but why? It just looks like insults and banter over the panel.

>>186790202

Once a cheat, always a cheat.

>>186790621
That distinction only exists because of the dumb autopilot rule.
>>186790601
He shouldn't be.

>>186790657
dtroit was drunk and watching wrestling in that moment, he didn't care much about the discussion.

>>186790504
>i don't know why i believed you
I didn't even open the image lmao
Your fault for getting baited so easily into an obvious trap

>>186787760
>There's a massive difference between organizing something outside of the cup's influence, and between organizing it within the cup's influence

PMB using the cup as a stepping stone to getting eFamous and hosting events about the cup to people who aren't involved in 4chan itself is a lot worse than someone putting themselves over on a cup stream that few people are watching. And don't say it's outside of the cup's influence to get rid of him for it, he should be given the DF treatment.

>>186787760
This argument is stronger than the one that DF should be barred from all participation.

>>186790794
>dumb autopilot rule
How is it dumb, if a board has people who want to play, why should they have to have a manager to do so

And before you say "if they really had interest a person would step up to be manager", PMB, it's because regardless of the actual amount or ease of work involved in managing nowadays, it still sounds offhand like a lot of commitment and dedication required to do something they just heard about offhand. Nobody speaking up to organize things beyond a PoI poll doesn't mean there isn't any interest to see a team play at all.

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Don't let DF worming his way back into the cup distract you from the fact that HA is overpowered and nothing has or will be done about it.

>>186790794
If the distinction only exists because of autopilots, then Mauled(and others managers from back then) should have been kicked out of management.
But Boris and the old crew of /merit/ didn't do shit, they are the ones who created the distinction in the first place and now can go eat a dick over it.

>>186789651
>The actual quote doesn't imply anything like that.
It does actually, he wouldn't have to push "IT WASNT AGAINST THE RULES" if he didn't still feel the need to defend it, and there'd be no need to defend it if it wasn't wrong to do but done anyway. Just because there's no rule against it doesn't mean it isn't wrong.

>>186790823
Mantis brought it up prior to that.

>>186790789
This. Ban anyone who's ever thrown a game.

>>186790823
I did care, but pissing off wankers is too fun to avoid doing.

Reminder DF was a tester for /mlp/, so /mlp/ should be banning from playing too.

The thread moves so fast complaining about DF and PMB that nobody will notice I'm gay.

>>186791543
Reminder not only was DF a tester for /mlp/, they kept their star because "/mlp/ didn't use DF tactics", but like a fucking autists DF has kept every log of every chat he's ever been in, and showed that they used his tactics for 2 games in that babby cup run. Ironically, DF is more responsible for /mlp/'s babby "star" than /sp/'s 2nd.

>>186791643
Hi DF

>>186791509
It's fun, but you can't ban PMB for being a dick when guys like you are coming here saying "I piss people off on purpose because it's fun."

>>186791709
>Ironically, DF is more responsible for /mlp/'s babby "star" than /sp/'s 2nd.
That isn't true though. Those logs of /mlp/ games had logs of /sp/ games too.

>>186791734
I could care less about PMB being banned or not, though. I don't think of anyone I really think should be banned, outside of DF for managing only. #UnbanHamuko

>>186791709
>/mlp/ used DF tactics against a DF-controlled /o/
>/mlp/ lost
Void their """""babby star""""" immediately

>>186792079
The one they got to keep, anon. meme saltiness and 2** aside, the other star is tainted as fuck

>>186792285
Yeah. They kept winter 13 which there was logs for. Loli was just a substitution maker.

>Summer 2017: /lgbt/ Shadowmanaged by DF. Removed.
>Winter 2017, Winter 2016: /fit/ managed by an openly mercing JB. Removed.
>Summer 2016, Summer 2015: /mlp/ managed by banned manager PMB. Removed.
>Anything before Summer 2014: Meme event, autopilots, no actual managers or tactics. Removed.
I think we'd all be pretty comfortable with just declaring /tg/ and /mu/ the only legitimate elite cup winners and shutting the cup down. Don't you agree?

>>186791709

/mlp/ didn't keep a star as /mlp/ didn't have any

/mlp/ kept their babby win because they had more managers than DF, and they were not aware testerbro was DF.

>>186792918
>1.12 abuse
>legit
/tg/ is the only legit star.

>>186793085
>and they were not aware testerbro was DF.
Nobody was.

Daily reminder that we NEED df

>>186793312

yes, but there was no one on the other teams to counteract dragonfag. Except /sp/, who had loli, and that was the reason /sp/ got to keep their one star. Dragonfag wasn't solely responsible for it, and loli got duped because he didn't know Dragonfag had a sockpuppet in his management.

Ditto for /mlp/ and dragonfag/testerbro.

>>186792918
If we gave those cups' 2nd place the star then.
>/mu/ and /u/ would have two stars
>/g/ would have a star
>/m/ would have a star for Summer 16's 3rd place (since Summer 16 /o/ was shadowmanaged by MayDave)

>>186793695
I continue to not see the problem with this.

feeling a little needy for Tony rn lads

>>186793695
And if /sp/'s vacated star was re-awarded, /int/ would get it.

>>186794224
I need Tony too. Need him to be banned just like Canadafag was.

>>186787996
>Canadafag were removed because they were consistently personally attacking people.
Actually Canadafag was banned in the first place because Boris didn't want to defend his position of killing the babbies. CF just acted like a fucking retard after that so his ban was extednded forever.

>>186795135
I don't see why there's an "actually" there. You're describing exactly what I said with the "fucking retard" comment.

>>186790985
But everyone at that panel was a 4channer.

>>186795135
2014 was a weird era full of Boris just banning people who are cunts like CF, Gman, Jynx and Zyzzstream.

>>186790202
It's exactly those kind of people who disregard the entire cup as a shitty circlejerk based on this. They have zero empathy for any of DF's circlejerking qualities.

>>186796117
>Zyzzstream.

I think he was legitimately retarded, though.

>>186790985
>using the cup as a stepping stone to getting eFamous
>hasn't commentated or streamed in over a year
What did he mean by this?

All these Dragonfag apologists should off themselves.

>>186796371
I'm not a DF apologist but I wasn't here for dragongate. The impression I got of it from the wiki is that it was a kid being retarded and nobody expected somebody to be that stupid,
and DF isn't some crazy psychopath. I don't get why under current strict rules for management he'll never be allowed back in to,
being involved in other aspects of the cup where he physically can't negative contribute by winning the cup with a shit team shouldn't be a problem. How are aesthetics from somebody banned from managing for cheating a problem?

>If you don't like dragonfag and what he did you're branded a horsefucker and disregarded.
what a world I've come to.

>>186786463
>and all casual fans

Dont ever speak for me you cunt.

>>186796035
Why would asking reddit/tumblr/horsenews to leave work at a panel when it doesn't work anywhere else?

>>186796775
>I wasn't here for dragongate.
this right here is the issue, just like mellinials weren't around for the soviet union and are now becoming increasingly socialist.

>>186796775
Because when you invite a known manipulator into cup circles, he will use the opportunity to manipulate people and creep further and further into the cup, like what has happened in this case. Remember: nothing is for free, even aesthetics.

>>186796334
He hosted a panel at some unrelated pony event that was advertised in the pamphlet as something like "The current and former leaders of the /mlp/ 4chan cup team hosting a plane to inform you more of it" or something like that. You telling me that isn't trying to get over through your eFame, and even increase it?

>>186796117
Is weird as fuck, becuase while i am not sad those people are banned, some of the bans were random as fuck.
For example Gman was banned because he announced the cup outside of 4chan (or at least that was the thing that broken the camels back). And Jinx was banned because he wanted to make the team into Jinx FC Jet /s/, /hr/ and /trv/ were left untouched.

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>>186796865
>/mlp/ cup threads have 200 IPs max and only when they're winning cups
>panel had somewhere roughly under a hundred people
>a near half of "/mlp/'s" fanbase went to the con
Obviously they were all 4channers, same as all /mlp/ fans are 4channers.

>>186790985
Reminder that DF milks the cup for efame too. The reason he learned aesthetics in the first place was so he could host a tournament to suck up to 420chan

>>186796775
I was here for Dragongate and I agree with this. If he's not managing and not even apologists are calling for that then who gives a fuck. Slippery slope fags are retarded. It's not like he was some kind of mastermind, he was taking advantage of a loophole in the rules. It's just as "manipulative" as Height Abuse or that one time when /mlp/ tried to have Captaincy Abuse.

>>186797038
>>186796993
But when everyone agrees unilaterally he'll never be allowed to manage ever again, I don't get how not being there means we're going to enable him to manipulate the cup in to something negative. When the standard is forever set at "you can't manage" and not one person wants to even change that, I don't really get how aesethetics is a master plan to control the cup.

>>186797261
At least he learned to do something useful unlike our Horsefucker friend (^:

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>>186797261
>eFame
>eFame
>eFame

Fuck off with this concept that doing anything cup-related will get you a modicum of publicity. You can't use it as a jumping-off point, no one will take you seriously. What, you're gonna go on YT and say "hey, I did models for the 4CC" and the 15 people who go to your video will say "What the fuck is this uncharismatic nerd talking about?".

Lick my balls, fuck off with your circle jerk.

This ENTIRE DISCUSSION has
N O T H I N G
to do with the 4CC.

Take it elsewhere.

>>186797440
>Talking about the cup has nothing to do with the cup
This is why /trash/ will never have a team, they can't even shitpost properly.

>>186796865
In the video, it worked. People walked out when asked.

>>186797090
It was called "I Just Don't Know What Went Wrong: /mlp/ and [...] 4chan Cup.
The description is still online:
>What is [redacted spam word] 4chan cup? Well, it'swhere teams representing the image boards of 4chan battle for supremacy on a field of memes and dreams. The pony board, /mlp/, has earned a reputation as a fierce competitor with a large and devoted fanbase. Join us for an overview of the team's history, a panel discussion with some of its past and present managers, and a prize giveaway!
Other than the obvious /mlp/ self-succ, there's nothing eCeleb about the description. It's accurate for what it was. That and they have all been dead ever since, so no fame was increased.

>>186797350
because not so long ago we all unilaterally agreed he'd never be allowed into cup decision making, and here he is.
>inb4 slippery slope
The slippery slope has already happened and is just getting worse.

This entire discussion has nothing to do with whether or not DF is banned. Every argument is who thinks they know DF's psyche best.

>>186796775
The cup is almost entirely built on trust, in a way.
It's mostly the trust that the streamer, helpers, managers, and pretty much everyone do their 'jobs'. Jobs they don't get paid for (hueue), mostly not even in attention.
But it's also the trust that nobody tries to break the cup and make it their own. The verification process, board interest threads, and polls, they all one big joke, and we all know it deep down. Still, we put our trust in them, even though that if there is someone to know that these can be faked, someone to put the energy into gaming the system, and someone who knows how to pull it off - they come from 4chan, of all the places.

And this is the trust DF broke. He cheated the system big time. He made over a year of cup history mostly meaningless. Back then, these news were as frustrating to people as if someone found out that all the games are prerecorded.

And yet, some Redditors on this site like the narrative of a redemption arc because this subreddit is more active than their social life.

>>186797506
>talking about "The Personalities of" the cup has nothing to do with the cup
Fixed it for you.

Now fuck off. I'm not even /trash/ you pig-faced table-muncher. You can't even see a character without sperging out. Holy fucking shit neck yourself.