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Diplomacy Edition

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.
It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Steamgroup
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795

>Our pastebin
https://pastebin.com/qaccWnMt (embed)

>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf

>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

>Multiplayer guide
http://web.archive.org/web/20150430021604/http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/core-mp-concepts-that-i-wish-somebody-had-told-me-about/

>Play by email guide
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

>Pretender designer
http://bsielski.github.io/pretenders/

>Debug Mod
For testing battle formations and spells
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo3qbjlixfghvs4/Debug.zip?dl=0
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=36453

>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam.

>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the wiki
>Read the pastebin
>Watch some LPs by Sy, Maerlande, or Nuclearmonkee
>Jump into MP feet first; ask for pretender advice in the thread

Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform

Results Here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlrvyEqLFYIaXRc49TheMmfdoP8jEh1m5rZJHJAzDWQ/edit?usp=sharing

Previous Pantokrator >>186293909
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Pelagia, could you please do a double turn now? You're literally attacking 2 provinces.
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Sub wanted for C'tis. Fucker is going for a turn 1 stale strat. Alternatively should I just set this fucker AI or something?
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Dear Diary,
it is now turn 48. N9E9 giants are still uncounterable.
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>>186598390
I thought Jude is better than that. I mean, he's ponynigger, so he definitely has a retarded streak to him, but doomstack warfare when an enemy can defensive turn EQx999 is just sad. And to add insult to injury, it wasn't even EQ. SAD!
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>>186598260
no ai please, better to restart than to have an ai t1, sub better yet
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>>186598963
Right so. I'll give it a few hours while we wait and see if anyone wants to sub, failing that I'll just restart.
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Hey can I get a 24 hour extension? Also would you consider moving the timer to 32 or 48 hours, we're at like turn 41
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Is there any way to try this game for free? poorfag here, I wasn't able to find any up-to-date torrents, any tips?
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>>186601458
If you are not the guy who keepsasking and genuinely want to know, not really. You are best off waiting for a sale.
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>>186601458
Nobody is doing up to date cracks because people mostly play MP anyway. You can find an older torrent or wait for a sale. It goes -50% quite frequently.
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>>186601587
I simply want to try it, I've found torrent of version 4.10, is this new enough?
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>>186602039
That's some old stinky shit. Still, won't matter for SP, most likely.
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>>186598882
what was it then?
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>>186602157
Rigor Mortis - Relief - cascades - E10N9 bull charging into shit, heavy cav baiting magma eruptions.
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Any games starting soon?
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>>186602354
if you want to sub for ea ctis on turn 0 then you could start immediately and cause the turn to rotate
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>>186602502
No, but I'm sure moggers is willing to.
Ask him in steam chat.
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>>186602584
Thats not a bad idea.
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>>186602039
You can find version 4.29 for dl
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>>186598390
give em the white bull cok
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>>186602584
Turns out moggers is already C'tis.
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>>186603012
Where? I wasn't able to find it, maybe I'm just retarded or something
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>>186603734
ell oh ell
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>>186603734
pfffft hahahahah
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>>186603861
https://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=67170&p=1427266
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>>186603734
Another proof that fags are gay.
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>>186604075
Oh yeah, I really am retarded, thanks for link
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Does this game have any notable players/pros?
Aside from t.Makalal
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>>186604553
It has me.
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>>186604553
i make 999999 gems per month from my nike sponsorship deal
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>>186604553
Dominions has way too small of a playerbase to have pros.
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>>186603734
I dont get it
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>>186604553
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>>186604923
>no cheating AI
Is this the old version?
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>>186604917
>anon says to ask moggers to sub for C'tis
>ask moggers
>he tells me he is C'tis in that game
Seems like he didnt see his turn come in.
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>>186605003
Could you post the new one?
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>>186605057
yeah that happend to me, I didnt even get a pretender confirmation for one of my games. Turns out it was all being sent to my junkmail
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>>186604906
I think a game like Dominions could be made appealing to the normie, esports crowd. All it needs is better presentation and accessibility.

Imagine watching a Dominions-like match at a venue:

>mage casts RoS
>crowd goes wild
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>>186606347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6HKh0tEUFc
illfraud just needs to make a micro-intensive korean nation
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>>186606626
slower paced turn based games are already getting into e-sports too

heartstone for example
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>>186607165
hearthstone has way more depth to it than dominions
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>>186607278
idk maybe

it's a 1v1 game though

i would like to see crowds gathering to spectate ffas

>commentator: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DIPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>MALAKALUUUUUUUUUUUUU GANKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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And 24h for Bandar.
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>>186607278
Hearthstone kinda plays itself
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>>186598260
I can sub. Come to steam chat.
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>>186609939
No need. Turns out the guy just didnt see the email. Thanks for the offer though.
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>>186610230
Well come to steam chat anyway.
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>>186610274
Ok?
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>>186610652
Did he send you dick picks?
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>>186611456
No but nicknight s back apparently.
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>>186611721
Does Aran send him his dick pics?
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>>186611809
You'd have to ask them that.
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Ur do your tUrn.
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>>186614764
I get the joke
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>>186614764
>not do ur turn
One job.
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>>186614764
I just woke up. I'll double if I'm really last.
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cd key or i let this thread die
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>>186618762
Just buy it
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>>186618762
This thread wont die, every time it is some jerkoff comes in and says ded. Bring it BACK from the ded
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>>186618762
Here you go anon.
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I'll need extensions for the next turn (that is to say, not this one) of both MyLifeIsFallingApart and JapeCulture until, say, 11:59 AM BST on Wednesday the 23rd.

If you'd rather set me to AI in the former, that's reasonable - I can't do much in my current situation, though I'm trying - but I'd appreciate if you didn't do it in the case of the latter. Someone needs to deal with the ghosts, after all.
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>>186620028
Speaking of Falling Apart.
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>>186620028
Sub this worthless trash.
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If you were to put EA Arco into a tier what tier would they be?
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>>186623810
Greek
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>>186623929
Interesting.
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>>186600230
>the timer to 32 or 48 hours
Do you even need a turn that long? It isn't like you are at war with anybody yet and nobody really has more than 1 cap so mages are still in kinda manageable numbers.
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>>186623810
Average. Weak early, strong in midgame, falls off in lategame. Scales pretty well with skill, though.
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>>186624426
>nobody really has more than 1 cap
R'lyeh has 4, Oblivious-kun.
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>>186624613
How the hell did Rlyeh defeat Pelagia?
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>>186624613
Since when?
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Tarrasque with Forbidden Light: "I am growing stronger"
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>>186625056
Pelagia in the lore tried to suicide all their shit on the surface
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>>186625056
By submitting the pretender, unlike Pelagia.

>>186625096
Like 2 turns ago.
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>>186621364
I haven't had time too see my turn. Did Fomoria attack me?
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How likely is Earthquake going to do 8 damage to a Def 14 character?
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Elludia didn't take a double despite being last, for the second time in a row. Two is a coincidence.
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>>186626080
Yep, sent a single thugged druid against you. Killed 1 Jag warrior, died to vengeance.

And before you accuse our honest news agency of trying to incite people into attacking you, please note that we only report facts, and let people decide for themselves what conclusions to make out of them.
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>>186626527
That's because he's trembling in fear from the sight of my power Lịch power dicks.
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>>186626869
Indeed, but it seems you news agency seems to focus a lot on certain nations and ignore what some Enkidu "rebels" with Ur technology are up to.
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>>186626917
Says the guy with at least 2 sieged forts who doesn't know how to use patrols to prevent a single scout from locking production.
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>>186627869
>giving away classified tacticool secrets
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>>186627471
Well, Mictlan v Lanka so far is the only conflict that is not 100% one-sided. Lanka has killed like a bunch of jags and shit.
Much unlike Bery, whose fate is similar to 1939's Poland.

The proud nation of Ur has literally had 1 "major" battle so far, the one against Agartha in Sauro's cap. And while i dont think i've posted the log, i'm pretty sure i've given it enough coverage, along with the sad aftermath (The one where AI Sauro's longdeads deal more damage to Agartha's army than i did a few turns before).
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>>186627869
What have you been doing anyway? I have heard about everyone else but the slimes have been pretty quiet.
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>>186628185
did bery start the fight
because 1939 poland started the fight
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>>186628025
Makes the game more fun.
>>186628220
Recruiting magi and summoning jellies.
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Protip: slimes are op
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>>186628902
t. Deyja
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>>186628310
Did 1939 poland start the fight and then have a new leader subbed in to captain the sinking ship?
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Furthermore, Doom must be destroyed.
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>>186629614
t. Deyja
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Anyone have the link to that White Centaur x Wailing Lady story?
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>>186630105
no
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>>186624613
Everybody knows that you have been screeching about it long enough. Personally I would prefer 24h turns so we can get this over with one way or another.
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>>186637280
24h turns are objectively the best
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Your god is minding his own business when this guy arrives, how fucked are you?
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>>186639073
I now am the proud owner of an Eater of Gods (probably for just the one turn before he breaks free)
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>>186639073
Do teleporter mobs move during the magic phase of movement?
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>>186639335
no
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>Dai Oni dies to a single ghost from a special event
>Check replay
>Dai Oni got routed, ghost couldn't even deal damage to it

Tell me again why a 14 ft tall literal demon from the underworld is scared of a single puny spooky
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>>186640347
Why is a 6 ft tall human scared of a puny spider?
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>>186640347
Its worse when you consider that they can also turn into ghosts themselves no problem.
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>>186640347
Thought it was a skeleton
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So, in hindsight, what should I have done?
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>>186644064
Used mage or thug support to kill the big fucking rock. Smashers on Banes are very nice for the task.
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>>186644064
The rock is invulnerable to chaff.

Use thugs with armor negating weapons
or spam air elementals
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>>186644064
lol
Try using mage/pretender support dipshit!!! hahaha
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>>186644720
You'd need a lot of mages to fight a monolith.
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>>186645216
Four or five s1 mages could do it, depending on the mono's paths.
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>>186630105
https://pastebin.com/4MXnaFDL
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>>186626441
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>t. pan is here again, and is samefagging to get attention
I'm looking forward to you going AI like a bitch for the third time in a row. Please, join a game I'm in. I dare you.
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>>186649703
I remember getting into an argument with him once where he told me it was retarded my guys were running out of supplies despite me not having any N mages, national or indy.
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>>186640347
>>186640586
Maybe it was the spookiest spooky spook to ever spook in this world.
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Furthermore, Deyja must be destroyed.
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>>186646034
Huh.
Is there a market for Dominions smut around here? I've been thinking about writing some stuff set in Dominions since it's got DEEPEST LORE.
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>>186655419
I agree, but not before the slimes have been utterly eradicated.
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>>186655710
Sludge elves dindu nuffin.
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>>186655710
Have a cool glass of Azure Jelly Residue and chill.
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>>186611809
Aran and he already live together lol
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You hear the sounds of distant rattling coming closer.
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Do magic beings get HOL UP from rigor mortis?
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Do demons?
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How much EXP do you need to get a star?
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>>186662870
Not much. I am sure I was getting an experienced status even on guys who didn't do anything but standing on a province.
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Why does /domg/ have the best meme pictures?
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>>186666813
They plagiarise the best memes from other hobbies/fandoms.
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R'lyeh, can you please stop doing that? I have enough problems with Ulm, who, if you haven't noticed, controls pretty much half of the map and has unlimited blood slaves for his game-winning strategy.
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>>186662870
15 for the first, 50 for the second, 100 for the third, 200 for the fourth, and 400 for the fifth.
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>>186664447
Mages get experience from research.
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>>186674195
Are you sure?

Units get experience just for sitting around, and I don't think I've noticed mages getting levels faster than commanders who aren't doing research.
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>>186673207
You have 3 thrones. You are sieging a fourth throne on 87 with your pretender on it. This means you will need to take two out of the three thrones on 55, 8, and 20. 55 is owned by Jomon, who is obviously incapable of defending it from you, and you can breach it quickly because you have infinite chaff. 20 is actually still unforted, with no units in the province. Until you actually lose thrones that you currently have or lose your army on 87, you're public enemy #1
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Don't know who you were talking to Nerita, but I think you made a misclick.
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>>186676230
Hey, it's free gems, right?
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>>186676254
"no"
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>>186675789
t. Ulm

You of course left out the part where you are the one currently taking over Jomon, and that to get to that throne I'd have to fight through your entire army.

You also left out the part where, in addition to your territory dwarfing everyone else, as LA Ulm you have a massive research lead. In addition to your Horror, demon and Vampire spam you are currently at least on Conj8, one step away from Tarts.

And after all that, the public enemy is me, because I took two thrones from C'tis, who attacked me while being led by a terrible player and managed to lose to the worst nation in LA.

You may have brainwashed R'lyeh Malakal-style, but I wonder what he will ultimately die to, your Astral Corruption or your summons.
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>>186676578
you can literally win in 4-5 turns if you aren't stopped, so yeah, you're the top priority.

Would you be willing to cede one of your thrones to R'lyeh? Not to me, mind, to squids.
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>>186676578
>>186676650
Also, I'd be surprised if I were particularly ahead on research because the retard I'm subbing into ran Magic 0.
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>>186676650
>you can literally win in 4-5 turns if you aren't stopped,
Sure, if everyone moved all their armies away and let me take their thrones for some reason.
>Would you be willing to cede one of your thrones to R'lyeh?
Would you be willing to cede half of your provinces to R'lyeh?
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>>186676750
I'll give R'lyeh 3 provinces if you give him your throne on 28
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>>186676731
>I'd be surprised if I were particularly ahead on research
I can see that Wraith Lord and those massed Wights with my own eyes right now, so don't even start.
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>>186676807
They're from an event, actually. It was even a D4 wraith lord, which is better than I'd get from a summon.
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>>186676791
>I'll give R'lyeh 3 provinces
That's cute. I like the number 25 much more.
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>>186676902
jus sayin is all. I don't expect you to stop rushing the thrones, but I'm going to call you out on it as you're doing it and I'm not going to begrudge help literally stopping you from winning the game.
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>>186676951
You are twice bigger than me, you are LA Ulm and I am LA Pythium, and you are implying I am in any position to win a game. Your mental gymnastics are amazing.
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>>186677106
Being able to count thrones is apparently a national superpower.
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>>186677229
I have no other thrones near me, so it's completely irrelevant.

Mentioning the Jomon throne was especially funny, considering you are the one getting that throne in a couple of turns.
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Sorry about sending my turn so late, everyone. I didn't get an email from llama yesterday and barely managed to get my turn done on time when it finally came in.
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>>186675789
>losing to Pythium
>as Ulm
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I'm sick of this I'm going AI. Fuck you Jomon you insentive fuck and fuck you Pythium you lying fucking bastard who only RPs when its convenient and deliberately acts 'cute' to not appear like a threat and then becomes a ultra power gamer when you feel like it
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>>186677868
Lol, he is not losing to anyone, Ulm would literally span the globe if not for 2 of my provinces in-between in one place. He is just playing safe by adding some diplomancing to his huge territory advantage and his national advantage.
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>>186676578
>while being led by a terrible player

T-thats not true
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>>186678397
You were building gate houses and supply storages of all things.
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Listen here, Moat. If you don't do double turns and will always wait for the last possible moment to submit, I'm subbing you out.
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Shadow blast will consume two gems even with conserve magic gems enabled, on a D2 mage communioned up to D5.
Is this some weird behavior about mage AI not really understanding how being in a communion impacts their fatigue? And even in that case, why does it ignore 'conserve gem usage'?
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>>186679334
t. Stool 'Lost to Jomon' Cory
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>>186677937
Never gets old.
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>>186679478
Only Yomi can seriously underestimate Jomon and those guys were overthrown by Shinuyama.
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>>186680648
Well to be fair Yomi got totally cut off from their reinforcements from the underworld. It was just a matter of time before either humies or gobbos took over.
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>>186680648
>>186680772
Yeah, like, if Yomi lost the ability to recruit units entirely, even Shinuyama would beat them eventually
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>no new games
I'm very tempted to just join some scrub-game on the steam forums
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>>186682859
t. Malakal
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>1 AN, MR each combat round
What it means after all? Armor negating?
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>>186685148
Armor negating, negated by magic resistance (it's a typo, should be 'MRN').
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>>186685148
50% chance to deal 1 + DRN (2d6, exploding sixes) armor negating damage every round. The percentile check is for each individual unit. Can be negated by magic resistance.
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>>186685148
It's shit
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>>186685910
u a shit
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>>186687443
>defending shit spells

Stop
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>>186687894
That """shit spell""" will kill literally everything human-sized nations can field. Especially Ulm without anti-magic.
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>>186610652
T'ien ch'i here my pc fried yesterday I'm afraid I have to quit
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>>186687989
After 10000 turn and without antimagic maybe.
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>>186678608
it was my third MP game and those things increase income
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In todays episode of "My Life Is Falling Apart", a lot of things have happened!

Battles from top to bottom:
1) Ur finally sieges Sauro's cap. Knowing the AIs behavior, expect a big battle next turn!
>Result: PD cleaned up
2) Agartha invades Mictlan's unprotected backside. So far, only undefended provinces are under attack, so no delicious logs
>Result: Minimal losses, unforted province taken
3) Ur retakes a shore province from R'Lyeh it has lost a few turns before because Riley got paranoid about mermen
>Result: 1 PD cleaned up, province taken
4) AI Sauro cleaning up some stranded Pale Ones
>Result: A few Pale Ones and Great Olms dead, a bunch of Bone Fiends lost.
5) Fomoria attacks a province lost to a random indie druid with Vine summons.
>Result: The attacking lone thug hits a vine man, gets hit back a few times again, realises that things hurt and runs away safely.
6) R'lyeh takes a neutral land province which has been unclaimed for god knows why.
>Result: A few slaves lost, province taken
7) Now this is an importan one! We shall discuss it in more detailed in our special report!
8) Ur attacks a throne province nears its Capital
>Result: Spectacular fail. ~60 enkidus lost their lives pointlessly swinging at fire elementals. Rematch scheduled within next 5-6 turns.
9) Fomoria storms a Berythos castle with a Necromancer and a bunch of skellies
>Result: Castle towers kill the necromancer within 4 volleys and then proceed to disassemble helpless skellingtons.
10) Not shown because for once i had no scout there: Ulm invades Lanka's defenseless provinces, as if Lanka's situation wasnt bad enough.
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>>186689506
And now for the big scoop!

Mictlan's formidable army has attacked Lanka! Not just the nation, but the Capital itself!

However, this time Lanka was able to field a group of Asrapas! The berzerking demon ladies have lived up to their name and dealt massive damage to the Jaggies of all shapes and forms.
However, many were slain by the blood vengeance of said Jaggies. Despite their valiant effort, Lanka's demise would still be inevitable if both nations didnt get backstabbed at the same time, so only time will tell how they will react and if Lanka can recover from this.
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>>186690532
What's formidable about this army?
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>that fag again
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>>186691223
You literally did your turn just a moment ago. Don't bully people.
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>>186691391
1. Do your fucking turn.
2. I would've done it sooner if Pelagia did a double last turn and 99 turns before.
3. Do your fucking turn.
4. Who are you on Steam or Discord so I can ridicule you in front of your peers.
5. Do your fucking turn.
6. Do your fucking turn.
7. Do your fucking turn.
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>>186691481
4. Malakal
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>>186691532
Don't slander Malakal's good name with your sloppy skills.
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>>186691619
>Malakal's good name
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>>186691172
46 triblessed Jaguars/Jag warriors are a pretty scary thing to face if you dont have equally strong troops. I would not want that running around my barely defended provinces.
From all the battles that occurred so far in this game, this has probably been the biggest and bloodiest battle.

Plus come on, we need to maintain the hype somehow. Our news must be fun and entertaining so that people think "Hey, i dont want to attack those Enkidu guys, they provide me with quality news and entertainment".
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Admiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!
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>>186688078
Fucking shit. Agartha doesnt seem to want to do his turn n time either. Anybody want to sub in for TC?
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>>186693017
I'm sorry m8
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>>186693310
Well I picked the right name at least.
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>>186693017
what are you talking about, the only one who has yet to do their turn yet it ti chi
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>>186694717
Nevermind, I am blind as a bat. Both ti chi and Agartha havent made turns
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China says his computer is bust but agartha has said nothing. So thats two subs I'm probably looking for.
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>>186696658
C U R S E D
U
R
S
E
D
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Abysia, lad, I hope you realize he only has 2 priests on you cap right now.
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>>186696780
Fuck it, if no subs show in the next couple hours I'll just force host when those two are last.
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>>186697037
i mean if they just disappeared we should boot them from the lobby and restart. If it's possible, even try to all sit down to get like the first 5 turns done in 2 hours or something before going to normal 24 hr turns.
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>>186699294
Thats actually a better Idea. Lets go with that.
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By the way, if people are interested, the Dominions D&D game with Lambert et al is starting its second season soon, if people wanted to join it, this would be the time.
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>>186699483
Alright nerds, two more spots open in the most CURSED game in the thread. Join now and get a free frogurt!

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CURSED
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>>186699484
How do you play?
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>>186700119
Oh, it's on roll20 with a discord for out of character talk. We've been using 4e and just house-ruling the races, though since this is sort of a reboot, changes to system/mechanics are fair play to bring up now.
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>>186699484
how do i sign up?
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>>186699484
The what now?
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>>186700335
I mean do you actually talk or can you go full autismo and just type what you say?
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>>186700552
This is what always creeps me out about those online RP sessions. I mean, actually talking to people, with voice... ew
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>>186700716
I'm just shy. Also I have a bad microphone and a naturally mumbly voice.
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>>186700479
+1 on this
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>>186700479
>>186700953
Get in the discord: https://discord.gg/djJbkz

>>186700552
We actually talk but it's mostly along the lines of "@everyone get in roll20" and scheduling talk. If you talk in-character promptly, you'll still be above par.

>>186700716
>>186700871
Oh yeah we don't actually use the voice chat, we talk with the written word. I'd forgotten there was another way to do it.
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>>186701012
That might be fun. I never played D&D but god knows I spent long enough on /tg/ that it shouldnt be too hard.
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>>186701012
thanks
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Does pocket ship work with all trops or with only
small ones?
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>>186702395
All
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ded
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Back on boys.
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>>186707621
Thank you, I look forward to the next restart!
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Sup /domg/

A while ago I had a Google Docs table containing all the random names that Dominions uses for regular mages/commanders. However I lost the link. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and can help me find the link?

Picture not related.
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>>186707621
Hold on what, whats with the restart? What could R'lyeh of possibly done to warrant a immediate restart?
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>>186707621
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>>186710854
>>186711028
We restarted because both TC and Agartha bugged out on turn 2. In china's defense his computer died. I am R'lyeh so you can direct your vitriol at suddenly being stuck in a cave at me.
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We still need more players for EarlyVanilla and EarlyChocolate
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyVanilla
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyChocolate
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Good VPs and thrones for a FFA?
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Are there any noob games starting?

I haven't played in more than a year and I was really bad before that anyway, but I'm considering getting back into the game.
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>>186711856
Get yourself a senpai and join http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/1471967615889746218/
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>>186711362
I actually dont understand people's lack of enthusasm for joining those games. They've been open for like a week.
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>>186711683
Number of thrones equal to the number of players. A bit more than 50% points to win. 75%, maybe, if a game is really small.
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>>186712108
I dont like the names
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How do I doublecheck to make sure I have the same map files as the server? Specifically, one of the links goes to a dead desura thing, so I googled and downloaded the closest thing but I'm not actually certain it's identical.

Also, I got the same spawn on the restart? I hope that's just a weird chance and not that I somehow have a wrong turn 1 from 22 minutes ago.

>>186712108
for me it was just that I only know I'd have time to join one more game so I joined CURSED because it was closer to firing. Those games will fill.
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>>186712108
I know right? I started my game because they were so slow.
>>186712504
For the .map you should be able to get it from the admin options, the other thing you can get under the big double CURSED.
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>>186711996
It's not like I need to learn the basics. I've played lots of games. It was just a long time ago and I never actually won anything.
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>>186712108
>EarlyVanilla
Oh the summod was changed to the most recent one instead of that weird one. Could you put a map download in the admin message? I might join if the map isn't shit. Also were story events being on intentional?
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>>186714137
Done
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>>186715147
Still missing the TGA and the .map is coming out as a .txt file. Dunno if it will work as a .txt but I can try with the tga and tell ya how it goes.
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>>186715471
Is it the same as this one?
>http://www.moddb.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/addons/plane-of-rusty-caves-nostart-and-connections
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>>186716181
Yeah
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>>186711362
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyChocolate
>chocolate
>not chocolate thrones/sites
One job.
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>>186597425
Is this game any good?
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>>186721854
Yes. Also, extremely autistic.
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>>186721854
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remember to:
do your turns.
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Just posting this here before Sy wins again.
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>>186725513
t. Magus player
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>>186721854
devs are autistic
minor issues here and there
ppl actually claim graphics are bad because it takes so much WAM to simulate battles
try convince your friends to buy 32€ game that looks worse than HOMM2

After playing every other 4X is disappointing in depth
Virtually no limit to how many strategies you come up with
Every faction feels vastly different compared to every other game out there
Roleplaying works well and is almost encouraged to get any sense of direction
Magic system is wicked, from fireballs and summons to WMDs and global enchantments like eternal darkness
There's a Necromancer faction, a Cthulhu faction and a fiery religious fanaticism faction. What more do you need.
Game is easy to mod and there are a lot of mods
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>>186726057
The sprites themselves are actually quite detailed, its just that you dont get to see i much.
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>>186682859
Do it and keep us updated on how terrible they are.
I expect tons of Desura-tier thugging.
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>>186726716
>Play with steam forum players
>ice sword, lead shield, blacksteel helmet hooded spirit """""SC"""""
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dddddeeeeedddddd
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>>186728190
Only because people dont turn in their turns
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>>186726057
>game that looks worse than HOMM2
Dominions looks better than HoM&M2. Source: have played HoM&M2.
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Yo I don't have the willpower to keep playing this shit anymore it's taking too long for anything interesting to happen just find me a sub or set me AI.

Position for anybody interested in subbing
>turn 43, 48h turns
>4 caps
>just fighting TC at the moment. Chart scans indicate he is on par or ahead in research but behind in army size, income, etc. Probably going to use mass flight, fog warriors, other buffs, and gifts from heaven spam.
>Most gem income (most everybody else only has 1 cap and don't have voice of tiamat)
>Need 6 thrones to win, own 2 of them one coastal and one underwater.
>2 are in TC's lands and close to the water so if you feel like beating him up there are 2 right there.
>2 are in other coastal areas (bandar log, and the ashdod/pangea throne) so you could rush thrones and probably win in 12-24 turns (probably much sooner if you invested in bishop fish)
>all paths except air and in 2 (1 if you convert pearls) turns will be able to empower a starspawn for communion air buffs.
>2 globals Riches from beneath and stellar focus
>decided to go for innovative strategy of mass meteorite guards it worked pretty well I guess.
>can forge all the big magic pen boosters for turn 1 master enslaves/arcane dominance.
>construction cost reduction site on the coast TC just took it.
>Alteration (wish) cost reduction site also along the coast. So if you capture those provinces you can Wish (genocide) spam your ass off
>Bare minimum evocation research since I was trying to learn the power of buffs and underwater combat. Could probably get to level 7 in like 3-4 turns.
>TC has a w9 + s4-5 bless and something like 50 red guards.
>Throughout the game had people waiting until the last 5 Minutes to do their turns so expect to be waiting a long time for new turns.
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>>186682859
There are games recruiting

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyVanilla

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyChocolate
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How does one deal with rusty equipment
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Hello domg

What are good things to prophet

Should I prophet my biggest baddest thug which a nice heroic trait, to make them even killier?
Should I prophet something mobile/flying for potential throne snipes?
Should I prophet one of my tougher troop ferriers for blessing sacred stacks?
or something else
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>>186733286
Go to a fort. More production is better.
>>186733428
It Depends.
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>>186733428
Prophet a sneaky unit who has feet. Give boots of flying. Rush thrones.
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>>186721854
Depends what you want. The game is autistically detailed, there are literally thousands of units and spells and items and most of them are distinct and worth using, strategies are deeper and less gamey/exploitative than any other game I've ever heard of.

But it's not that pretty, it's slow, and to get the most out of it you have to play against people who know what they're doing.
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Nerf RoS already
or at least give human nations a way to counter it
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>>186734449
ts called going ai
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>>186731863
????
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>>186731863
stfu and do your fucking turns without crying jesus
setting a relevant player ai is effectively 'scrap this game' so fuck you
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Is misfortune good to take? It seems to lock you out of a lot of good events.
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moggers pls
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>>186741068
Wakasagi?
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>>186738558
yes
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I thought I was in /2hug/ for a second
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>>186741068
how can 1 point in defense kill this pretender god?
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>>186742176
Did he cast something dumb and get critted in his sleep? Get sniped by the luckiest archer? Commit sudoku?
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>>186742176
Exploding dice.
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>>186742176
TEN CANDLES AND EXPLODING DICE ROLLS
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>>186742743
I have no idea, but casting something dumb and falling asleep seems the most understandable, but he does also have fear+10
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>>186742176
>stat penalty because attacking inUW while not an UW unit
>probably took an HP penalty for attacking out of its own dominion
>then probably scripted badly

Reminds me of that one anon who took an E2 Erf snek with cold dominion then scripted it to cast spells, then was surprised when it died to weak indies
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remember to do your turns today
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>>186742086
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>>186726894
>people unironically recruiting militia
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>>186742957
It wasn't cold and anyone's pretender can die to 200+ damage of bleeding
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Come on Formoria, you can do it
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>>186700335
>4e
Why would you use one of the least adaptable systems out there for Dominions? Not that 3.5e or 5e are any better, but 4e seems like one of the worst for breaking out of the pre-defined way everything works.
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>>186746731
'Cause it's what the GM knew best.
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>>186746731
People said it at the very beginning and then we never changed.
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Are there any mods for a modern military?
I want to recreate Gate but cant find anything to scratch the itch
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>>186749771
No because that's retarded
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>>186749785
GATE specifically is retarded is what I meant
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>>186749771
Sovirus, Ulmreich and something else. WW2 is as modern as it gets.
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>>186749771
>>186749885
There are also two star wars nations.
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>>186750362
>star wars
>modern military
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>>186750419
Its about as close as you are going to get.
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>>186742176
No casting anything but stealthing beneath a hostile dom uw province a not noticing the stats were now trash. Also Atlantis pd has a shambler with a glaive.
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please, if you would, get your donutsteel sharks out of my seas please and thank you
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>>186753465
Jokes on you, I got even more steel donut sharks than ever and there is literally nothing you can do about it.
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>>186753465
>>186753713
Just freeze the ocean and be done with it
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>>186745153
IT WAS SCRIPTED TO CAST FUCKING FLYING SHARDS ANON
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>>186754937
ok? It had 40 fatigue, ANYONE'S pretender can die to a lucky crit + bleed to death
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>>186755494
not mine
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>>186755807
Explain to me what magic trick you use to prevent your pretender from being critted & bleeding to death.
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>>186755494
In an ideal situation, the snek wouldn't have gotten itself to that level of fatigue casting FUCKING FLYING SHARDS JESUS CHRIST WHY WOULD YOU CAST THAT
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Thank you for your understanding, Vanarus.
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>>186757428
In that ideal situation it still dies
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>>186603734
That's amazing haha
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>>186756536
Well, ideally you take above E2 on your snek for additional protection and whatnot, as well as making it get much less fatigued while casting low-level Earth spells and giving it some use past the early game. Once expansion is over, an E2 snake, if it managed to survive, is a dead serpent slithering without much battlefield or ritual use.
Also, take Heat 3 for more points to put into scales, which also ensures that it's never too cold for your snek as long as it stays inside it's dominion. Order 3 Heat 3 will generally be more useful than Order 0 Heat 0, unless you're taking it on a nation that really wants it's cold.
Third, don't cast useless shit like flying shards, especially not if it's going to put fatigue on the snek. An E2 snake gains around 15 fatigue per cast of flying shards, and doesn't actually do a decent amount of damage because flying shards shoots fucking 10 damage pebbles that have trouble killing even a human in leather. Instead, have it actually engage the enemy.

>>186757595
In that ideal situation the snake doesn't get fatigue critted and actually does some damage to the enemy instead of sitting around and tossing harmless rocks like a retard. Fatigue is a bad thing for a melee combatant that heavily relies on protection to have.
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>>186757428
It's because newbies tend to pick up two things from /domg/:

>Battle magic wins games
and
>Erf Snek is easy mode

This is the logical result.
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>>186757595
Crits happen when you get fatigued. No flying shards = less fatigue = not critted
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>>186758398
FLYING SHARDS THOUGH
I THOUGHT PEOPLE WERE BETTER THAN THIS
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>>186758282
Be more amazing if he'd do his turn.
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>>186758394
This is the advice noobs need.

>>186758398
This is the advice noobs get.
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I keep losing in mp when trying pacifist strategies. How do I improve my diplomacy?
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>>186759909
Don't be pacifist, expand fast and kill a neighbor as soon as possible.

It's a proven fact that players will rather back stab-each other than team to stop the largest nation.
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>>186759909
pacifism works only if you over expanded a lot, in that case you are either an UW faggot or some OP nation that everyone is gonna gang upon, but you can try i guess.

You still want to intervene at the end of the first war of someone's else and steal his lands/vulture some of its prey.
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Interesting.
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>>186759909
There are benefits to not waging war, at least a committed war that requires you to pour a large part of your resources to survive (the most ideal scenario in this game is being able to overrun enemy territory as though they were indies without taking losses or expending your real strength and you virtually always should take up this opportunity). You get to site search and research, you will be able to field larger armies than your opponents because yours haven't suffered any losses, all the while being able to pick resource-intensive but more cost-effective troops or focusing on long-term investments like Soul Contracts, and you are less vulnerable to being backstabbed.

However, you absolutely HAVE TO be one of the big guys for you to gain relative advantage. For example, if you have an income of 2000 while in peace and another player has an income of 3000 while mobilizing a third of their mage force in wars, they have just as much research and site searching as you, and more mages and territory total. In this scenario, you are losing ground every turn that passes and beating the larger opponent will get ever more difficult.

Biding your time is sometimes the right move, especially if it allows you to mask your strength and then explode in size before anyone can react (ie. maintaining the benefits of efficiency up to that point, but now also matching the size and resources of everyone else), but both long-term passivity and not being at least competitive in size and resources lose you the game by default.
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>>186764230
It is always funny when they make those little things
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>>186762269
What about rushing those globals that give you tons of free gems
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Is R'lyeh my greatest ally? (JapeCulture Atlantis)
Are Shinuyama and Pangaea at war? (NoMalakals)
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>>186766137
NoMalakals Jotunheim and Sceleria are definitely fighting.
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>>186765148
Then you're just going to get attacked.
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>>186765148
Most of them are rather deep in research (level 7/8, Mother Oak is an outlier, being at level 5) and upon reaching them, the game might even be more or less decided.

Moreover, you'd also have to research spells that can be used to convert the gem income into advantage which takes extra time, and since you have to spend gems to cast them, it takes 5 or so turns to get return on your investment even if you didn't overcast. And then there's an opportunity cost to consider: most likely having to design a pretender to cast the global (or constructing one or more boosters) which is away from everything else the pretender could have provided, and of course not having conquered territory and taken gem income from there (starting much earlier). Oh, and globals make your power known in an obvious manner so they don't particularly help in staying under the radar and then conquering your enemies in a quick war, and because you have researched paths that most likely aren't the paths of choice for fighting, you also broadcast your relative vulnerability.

Being able to spend your gems on stuff that provides long-term benefit (such as gem generation globals) is one of the benefits of peace in favor of a war that eats up all of your resources just so that you can survive, but "I'll cast gem gen global x and then start fighting" is a fool's errand. Merely having the global up doesn't provide you with any timings (indeed, it's an anti-timing as I described above, putting you at resource deficit and likely no useful research to fight a war, offensive or defensive while trying to get the global up) that you could leverage to catch up.
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>>186765148
>>186766469
That isn't to say gem gens cannot be a sensible early research goal (for example, Alteration-5 is a pretty obvious place to start for Pangaea, even if it wasn't for Mother Oak) but sitting on your ass probably isn't worth getting them a few turns earlier (for Pangaea specifically there might not even be a difference because there really isn't anything useful for your mages to do before Alteration-5 and you can blessrush most opponents without relying on mage support) and a number of nations really don't want to fight before reaching their priority goals in general (such as MA C'tis and their Enchantment-5 trifecta: Horde of Skeletons, Foul Vapors and Quagmire), but the only example of sensible turtle-y strategy with gem gen as the end goal is Pelagia rushing for Arcane Nexus, and that's mostly because Pelagia is a trash nation that isn't good at anything else.
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What's better than making an army of sacred statues?
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>>186767284
adding sturdy mages and some undead thugs to deal with earth mages and fags with the shatter hammer weapon trying to counter your statues.
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>>186767584
I should keep that in mind. Make Agartha great again!
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>>186767284
Summon a bunch of giant ghost dudes and then turn them into marble statues.
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>>186767284
10 air mages summoning air elementals and 10 earth mages to cast iron warriors on them beats your statues.
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step
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>>186770740
It's not kawaii. Steppity-step.
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>>186773613
steppe steppe :DDDDDD
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Furthermore, Neritia must be destroyed.
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The thread is dead, time for a new MEmegame.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=HotSingle

MA. ME + standard mods, 2 starting provinces, much higher magic site frequency. Map will be generated in Carto Revision. No UW nations.
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>>186776995
>No UW nations.
Hating this meme.
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>>186776995
>ME
>2 starting provs
>carto revision
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>>186778028
t. irrelevant UW shitter
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Why does summoned angels cannot enter water?
I have tried Ring of Water Breathing, ships, global enchantment - it just doesn't work.
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>>186778390
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>>186778028
haha fuck you
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delet
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>>186776995
I want carto revis to go and stay go
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>>186731863
Eyo, I'll find a sub for you if I have to, but I'd honestly rather not if you can keep doing your turns.
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>>186784404
>8 Prince Generals
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Still need players for Early Chocolate and Early Vanilla
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>>186784404
Feel the power of fireball.
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>>186786436
Could you delete r'lyeh from both of those actually?
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>>186786743
>local homewrecker ruins 3 games
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>>186784404
Don't be fooled this was an AI game.
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Since you put 1 point in province defense I should owe you 1 gold coin isn't that right Lanka?
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>>186789380
Keep your gold coin, this means war!
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>>186789598
Are you certain? Are you even the real Lanka?
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>>186789950
If you have to ask, then yes.
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Come on Lanka, dont give up! You can stabilise this! We believe in you!
Or just go AI you cunt
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>>186790003
You havent even done your turn, unless you provide a screenshot of the province I attacked then I will not believe you are Lanka
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>>186792098
Believe whatever you want. I can't do turn right now anyway.
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>>186791423

he could stage a comeback now that Agartha invaded Mictlan
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Time to cast solar eclipse
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Are you guys also friends of justice? Or mankind's enemy?
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>>186795582
Everyone who triest to remove bats is a friend of justice.
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Remind me please, sites with "a mage may enter to summon X" can be used by one mage at a time, or by any number?
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>>186795634
then apparently I'm justice's only friend
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>>186795709
One at a time like all "may enter" sites.
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>>186795582
I have yet to see a single bat, where are the located anyways?
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>>186795709
One at a time, and you get a number of things equal to the amount of times the text appears on the site.
>>186795827
My capring.
Realtalk though, they're in 101
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>>186785719
It would be for the best so I don't have to set myself AI. If you can't find anybody then I'll set myself AI in the off chance you are actually in the game.
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>>186795948
Deeply concerned by this terrible news. My thoughts and prayers are with you Fomoria. I'd even change my Godbook profile pic if only I could find an image of your flag.
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>>186795827
There's four parties of ~80 each located within your lands.

Don't worry though, they're obviously just passing through.
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>>186795948
I am sorry to say but that is as far away as it can be, I don't think I will be of any help against the bats.
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The first man who posts a screenshot of Xib's sieged cap gets 500 gold and 5 gems from me. Screenshot this post.
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Guys, is there a way to increase soldiers' map movement points?
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>>186797137
No, unless you use flying carpet/pocket ship/air ship
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>>186797212
Urgh, that sucks, thanks.
I guess a teleportation is the only way then.
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when did my event screen become Fox News?
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Make the toad a commander
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>>186798159
The worst thing is, you don't even get a frog unit. The commander apparently just keeps it.
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>>186797137
Boots of long strides or boots of quickness.
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/domg/, Educate me about generic ritual summons. Lets ignore the billion of varieties of undead for now.

Which are the best all-round summons (In terms of strength and also strength per gemcost)?
Which specialised summons should i be aware of?

For example, picrelated - why would i ever want gargoyles over the bears? Hell, why would i even want the trolls (other than lack of magic command)?

What is the difference between clockwork soldiers and clockwork horrors and is there a point to summon either of these at all?

[Spoiler]And before you "IT DEPENDS" at me: explain what the fuck it depends on[/spoiler]
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>>186798430
I will tell you, but there's a price.

First show me how to spoiler properly, boy.
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>>186798238
My god that sounds awful
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>>186798706
Exactly like i did before but without the capitalisation
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>>186798872
Also Ctrl+s
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>>186798947
Eh, i remember the times when you could format shit with the traditional wakabamark's **asterisk syntax**, so those new weird clicky tricks just feel kinda weird to me.
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>>186798872
Use ctrl+s next time, young one.

First of all, bears are ethereal and have a lot of hp, but also have 0 protection. A giant with enchanted sword will hit them and it will hurt. Gargoyles have 20 protection and damage resist (that halves the damage), which gives them a lot of staying power. They also can fly. Imagine your enemy casting 30 fireballs per turn. Fireballs are magic damage, they won't kill the bears, but they'll hurt them, and they can hit your other advancing troops as well. You tell gargoyles to fly in turn 1 and they tank most of the shit, and probably make enemy mages take some fireball hits as well. Bears can regen though, so they have arguably more staying power against mundane weapons. Trolls regen as well, but you wouldn't want to use them to catch fireballs for obvious reasons. They also have big strength that will sometimes allow them to kill small thugs in one hit. If bears hit a creature with fire shield, it will hurt (length 0). Great clubs have more length. It really depends on what you want. You mostly want trolls with Troll King Court spell, as you get better and more trolls, and a E3 caster. You summon bears to catch evos and tank conventional infantry. You summon gargoyles if you want hardy flying troops.
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>>186798804
At least if something bad happens to the commander the player can believe that the frog is okay.
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>>186799361

Niche question, but do gargoyles also benefit from the HP bonus for constructs/statues from the agarthan golem cult?
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>>186799565
Pretty sure all lifeless non-undead shits benefit from it.
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>>186799361
Bears and trolls also have 1 and 2 attacks per square, and gargoyles have 6.
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>>186800007
Nerf gargoyles
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>>186799565
Yes.

Also, Gargoyles are flying units with 6 attack density, and are thus pretty decent buff targets. They're also half the gemcost of the fall bears. Drop a Strength of Giants on them and they'll shred.

Fall Bears, despite their attack density of 1/square, are just the right size to let human-sized infantry filter through their square, and thus form a solid membrane of blockers. They're also great targets for Iron Warriors/Marble Warriors, giving them extreme staying power. I'd only use a higher-level mage to summon them, though, since 20 gems is steep.

I'd personally never summon trolls with that spell, but that's because Troll King's Court exists.
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>>186799361
>Gargoyles have 20 protection and damage resist (that halves the damage)

On that note, i assume the resist is applied after the protection roll? Otherwise that'd be pretty insane.
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>>186801454
I forgot. But damage resist are pretty substantial. Look at how skellies with 5 hp can tank crossbows sometimes.
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I am free today so I want two turns for this game.
Can you do me this favor? k thx bye
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>>186798430
Alright, something probably no one else ever uses, which i love

fucking manticores
expensive? yes
inefficient in terms of mage turns? oh yes
but a flying, fear 5, reasonably durable, disciplined, good morale, good MR, high strength unit with multiple attacks is pretty tits
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join the http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Full_meme today! act now while supplies last
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>>186802816
This is a full meme game, I mean full. You wont ever get a more meme game then this
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>>186802691
I summon fucking seraphims. They are garbage, but I love playing Deus vult.
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>Next turn due: 13:02 GMT on Tuesday August 22nd

>llama has forced a hosting delay in all games due to server errors
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>>186804087
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>>186804087
Want a quick game? Join http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Full_meme
Be there or be SQUARE
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>>186804652
Middle age with no mods?
Joined as Ermor
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>>186804941
good SHIT
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>>186804941
t. Cory Skull
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Have you ever got your pretender killed in a stupid way that you instantly regretted?
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>>186805649
In a game I currently palying my earth snake was supposed to do a few earth quakes. He died after 1 EQ and 3 kills.
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>>186805649
I have sent my pretender to the arena. He won. He won a shitty cursed items, which I couldn't unequipp. Moreover, he automatically was summoned to next arenas and won more fucking trash.
That's how I lost my best mage.
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>>186805649
From the previously unreleased archives of ENN: The horror story of how the poor Pretender got his first affliction.

Cost me quite a lot of gala turns to get him back.
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Uh, Neritia. Are you going to stale again?
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Some shinu
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>>186806021
Protip: you need to cast multiple earthquakes in a row for them to be any good.
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Small Shinu
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>>186810940
>>186811019
Hinnom-chan when?
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>>186810940
>all those scars
>Limp
>Battle Fright
>Feeble minded
She even has the champions skull on her
Give it to a better commander
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>>186810940
Those are some mighty calves.
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>>186810940
How would Berytos-chan be?
They have nigs, dogs, goats and jews.
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Is there anything good that ME adds for the Japanese nations that make them better
.t weeb
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>>186814519
Black
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Admin, pls contact the fucker. I'm 90% sure he's going to stale a second time.
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>>186796520
I can find a sub for you.
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>>186814519
young brown amazonwith goat legs and horns.
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>>186815249
That's Pan
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>>186796520
Well, to anyone interested - post itt if you want to sub. I'm also pinging for one on Discord
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>>186815465
No. Berytos would be a young (blood rituals) brown amazon (colossi) with goat legs (se'irrm) and horns (nephilim). Pan would be a goat. Just a goat.
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>>186815794
Or a Centauride.
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>>186804652
>>186805112
>>186805036
Why are you adminning a 1v1 game? Just play a blitz.
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>>186816031
I could be convinced that Pan would be a horse, but I don't know why you keep on shoving monstergirls into this.
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>>186816185
Yeah but that stats
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>>186816234
I'm not shoving anything into anything but if there was one nation that would have monster girls it would be the nation with multiple monster girl recruits.
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>>186816383
you can set all of those settings with direct connect my dude
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>>186816383
>what is snipping tool
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>>186816421
Pangaea is a nation of "halfmen". The focus of the nation is far more on the "half" than on the "men". Therefore, it is far more likely that Pan would be a furry than a monstergirl, but since furry is banned it'd have to be an actual animal: the most likely of which is the goat, given the prevalence of Panii.
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>>186816728
Well Xib looks cute
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>>186816728
Ahh but centaurs, minotaurs and satyrs are all mythological monsters rather than just being simple half people.
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>>186816907
Frogs always are.
>>186816975
Not in the dominions universe.
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>>186816907
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>>186816907
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>>186810168
Does anyone know who is playing Neritia? They staled last turn and are last to submit this turn too, and I haven't heard anything from them.

Failing that:

Does anyone want to sub for Neritia? I have no information about them- maybe someone else could give a report on their status.
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>Abysia Waiting for 2h file
Caelum 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Fomoria 2h file received
Helheim 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Lanka 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
Tir na n'Og 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Yomi 2h file received

Every day its someone new.
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>>186821525
Well the game is CURSED, but you knew that. What sucks is that the time limit was bumped up
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>>186821836
But it says the next turn is in like 23 hours?
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>>186821965
never mind I am a retard and was listening to misinformation.
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>>186819294
Wrong nation scrub
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>>186822319
it says xib in the original file mate
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>>186822418
That's a ghost king to the right, not a bacab
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>>186823035
I think the joke
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page 10
better do your turns
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>>186826042
I did. Your turn now.
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ded
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>>186827828
No, its never dead. because you wont let it die
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>>186827983
If I let it die how would I be able to complain about people not doing their turns?
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>>186828825
In the new thread, its a cycle of death and birth and you know this.
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Turn 211. The only nations left are Therodos, Abysia, Sauromatia and Pelagia. The latter is currently being removed by Thero. Sauro is still impossible to attack due to Vengeful Waters. I'm not sure why Therodos doesn't invade Aby, though.
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>>186829281
this should have been done without freespawn nations.
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>>186829564
People only started to bitch about the freespawn when they started to win. No one even spared a thought towards them before that.
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>>186830229
I thought we'd share a sea so I could remove them year 1. Admin fucked up the map
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>>186831159
>admin fucked up because the map he generated didn't help my strategy
t. butthurt loser
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>>186765081
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>>186831765
>tool scory
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>>186831159
Just because you counted on LUCK to win doesn't mean the admin fucked up
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>>186818656
Shinu is CUTE!
Is there a Yomi or Jomon yet?
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>>186833519
Not yet no
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>>186833519
On a mostly unrelated note, how should I be playing Shinu? I've got no clue what my research goals should be.
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>>186835924
you should take thrones of ascension and become pantokrator and also do your turns
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>>186620028

I got you covered, my man.
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>>186842715
>that does not break the lore
>Man "expanded" by making it a shitty reference
>there's a fucking sharknado spell
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>>186843128
Rain of Jaguars is precedent
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>>186843196
Rain of Jaguars references a fucking Nahua myth. Sharknado references a fucking meme movie.
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>>186843367
Couldalso be referencing overlord.
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>>186843128
What meme for Man?
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You shall watch as everything you hold dear turns to ash.
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>>186845076
Whats that for? Also I like the staff.
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Nearly an hour.
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>>186848793
hour for what
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>>186843128
sorry oceania was ruined for you.
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>>186831349
>I'm winning with no strategy besides picking a nation.

Out fucking played
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>>186843128
>sharknado spell
Huh?
Since when?
Is it any good?
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>>186849673
>go for scales instead of death so I can survive until AI and also so that the AI can buy hordes of shit to fight with

>go for W9 to help keep me alive longer,
S whatever for magic resistance on my ghosts to help against banishment

>focus on Alt because 1, its got the most useful spells for UW fighting besides water elementals and 2, because only having buffs researched means that the AI can only cast buffs instead of something retarded

>see the fight shortly after we went AI and my guys removed pelagia from all my forts with well placed buffs while the pelagians all rushed into melee or some shit for how that worked out.

The problem is that a lot of people seemed to be thinking of strategies from a more reasonable perspective instead of from a retarded AIs. In my opinion The giants and sauro had the better plans than everyone else. If you get huge from a mad rushdown your AI will be able to shit out more trash than everyone elses and you will have a few thugs left lying around that will kill hundreds until they take an unlucky shot, while vengeful waters is a complete bitch to deal with even when you are playing normally. Personally I decided not to try for globals because I wasnt sure the AI wouldnt replace them with something retarded and fuck my plan over.

And its not like people couldnt have attacked me. Sauro and Ur could have easily finished me off while pelagia was attacking me but again, people didnt seem to be thinking about what would happen when they lost control.
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>>186851234
tl;dr none of this matters

Therodos was nigh impossible to remove in under 36 turns and auto wins after that.
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>>186851873
Literally all it would have taken was a few skeletons from sauro and Urs earf snake. Pelegia almost killed me on his own and he was mostly using indies. I am not a good player nor have I ever claimed to be.
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>>186852142
Sauro doesn't have anything to lead those skeletons underwater. Not to mention they are worse than indies whe underwater. Erf snake would have died in cold 3 and hostile dom. Only Pelagia had and hope of attacking you and he got screwed over by the map.
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>>186852706
Sauro literally took forts from pelagia UW in their own pond and pelagia's torrps are much better than mine and firstly the earth snake can be brought back constantly practically in one turn, secondly temp scales dont mean shit UW and thirdly I took heat 3 anyway.
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Why would you think I would take cold 3 anyway? I dont give a shit about freezing rivers, I can walk straight through them.
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>>186853617
I dunno man I'm not an expert on uw cancer nations. All I know is that they suck the fun out of the game so have the common decency not to pick them.
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>>186854312
>so I have the*
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>>186854312
If you dont like someones playstyle, make a counter or deal with them from the get go.
Fag.
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>>186854748
I am. I'm letting cancer player know beforehand that they are shits.
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>>186855443
Maybe you should have said that when the game was announced and I specifically said in the thread "this is a situation where Therodos would actually be strong" instead of starting to bitch about it just when my guys started winning.
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>>186855851
Im with this fellow, you have how long to deal with the ghosts? Yet you never did, you didnt rally anyone to deal with the ghosts to I bet.
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyVanilla

Come on, join, we are half-full already.
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>>186855851
>>186855943
Cancer and cancer apologists need to leave.
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>>186856068
Why you so mad at losing a game played mostly by AI?
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>>186856068
Whiny faggots can go too.
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>>186856068
Sounds like a sore loser to me
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>>186856309
It was an interesting idea ruined by cancerpickers.

>>186856310
>>186856656
Sounds like butthurt cancerpickers.
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>>186857218
Therodos winning is pretty interesting not gonna lie.
Even if it's a meme game
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>>186857490
Therodos has one of the highest win rates in the game...
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>>186857660
And 100% of male rapists are men.
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>>186857831
What an apt comparson. I value rapists a little bit above cancerpickers though.
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>>186829564
And UW cancer to boot.
Fuck UW cancer shitters
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If I cast Haste on my elephants, will they trample more people, or do I need Quickness for that?
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>>186859205
Quickness. Haste doesn't give them more AP, it just reduces the AP cost to move into a square, which doesn't apply to trampling.
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Come blitz
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>>186859325
no
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>>186859382
you have to
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>>186859240
That's unfortunate.

Is it a good ideaa to Enlarge size 4 tramplers?

Basically just looking for ways to abuse massed tramplers at this point.
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>>186860473
If you have access to both, yes, enlarging tramplers is a good idea
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You shall watch as ash turns to everything you cherish and hold dear.
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>>186863525
i don't think i could handle that many Hakases...
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join UnderTheTable, you fuckfaces
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>>186865368
Sorry kidd. I don't share my tech with anyone.
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>>186784404
>moggers playing singleplayer
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How do we fix Ys? The concept behind it is so broken (an UW nation that can't do anything underwater) that I don't think any stat fixes can change that (short of some massive buff to Merrow troops or something).

One cool way would be to give them some kind of ritual that would allow them to recruit Morgen units and commanders from a land castle. Then their theme would be "leaving the sea and returning to land".
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>>186868995
Remove them from the game. The idea of UW elves is in and of itself an abomination.
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>>186869126
Who cares if they're elves if they aren't even stealthy?
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>>186869383
Cloud trapeze and sailing is even worse than stealth.
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>>186869423
Storm Callers are literally worse than elves then.
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>>186869542
If storm callers were thugable maybe.
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>>186869773
At least they aren't cap only, unlike Ys elves. And they can bring troops with them.

Oh and even better example would be Fomoria. Cloud Trapezeing, sailing giants.
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>>186870009
And is Fomoria considered bad?
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>>186870102
It is considered ok. Unlike Ys.
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>>186870146
Imagine if Fomoria had a uw cap unassailable by land nations. That's Ys.
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>>186870351
Imagine if Fomoria was killed by Atlantis, Oceania or R'lyeh in every game they're in. That's Ys.
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>>186865368
What's UnderTheTable?
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>>186870351
Oh that explains why Ys has such a high winrate
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>>186870859
>no pelagia
>>186870990
Another Noob-Mentor disciples game on /v/anheim
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>>186868995
I like what Magic Enhanced does for them. It gives many of their less useful mages better spells, which makes them perform much, much better.

I don't really think they need further buffs beyond that. As a sole underwater nation, especially on a smallish map, they perform very well with Magic Enhanced.

>>186870351
Fomoria has recruit-anywhere mages which can thug and cloud trapeze, cap-only SC chassis, far more powerful mages and troops, and some crazy national spells.

While being able to sit underwater is a very strong advantage, Ys has objectively weaker options in most areas (at least in vanilla).

>>186870859
Doesn't Pelagia do the same thing to basically every other underwater nation with their sacreds?

It's a consequence of the underwater mechanics being broken and generally forcing a 1v1. There's not much you can do about it unless you're willing to make the underwater nations 1v1 balanced.
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>>186870859
>>186871068
Win rate is not an argument for Ys since it hasn't been out for long. People bitched about how weak Therodos was too and that turned out to be bullshit.
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>>186871151
Pelagia is not even worth mentioning, because
>>186871182
>Doesn't Pelagia do the same thing to basically every other underwater nation with their sacreds?

But most other UW nations at least have a fighting chance against each other.

Don't try to equate Ys with them.
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>>186871314
Ok, so you are Ys and you are sharing a 10-12 province sea with Oceania. Tell me your winning strategy.
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>>186871427
Get on land and turtle against Oceania.
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>>186871567
>run away and lose the capital, then lose to actual land nations
Q.E.D.
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>>186871661
Or get gud and do neither of those. Crush Oceania later with superior economy and tech.
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>>186871330
>But most other UW nations at least have a fighting chance against each other.
>Don't try to equate Ys with them.
But you could say literally the same thing about Atlantis or the other nations.
>why play Atlantis when you'll get annihilated by Pelagia every game?
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>>186871863
>Crush Oceania later
There won't be any "later" because the first thing Oceania will do after clearing out their indies it come after your cap with an Aphroi stack.
>>186871867
If you haven't noticed, no one actually plays Atlantis.

But even they beat Ys 1v1.
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>>186872107
>If you haven't noticed, no one actually plays Atlantis.
They seem pretty common to me. I've definitely seen more of them than Pelagia.
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>>186872289
LA yes. EA, just maybe. MA, no way.
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Anyone got the candia mod? the one with all the crusaders
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>>186872107
>Aphroi

use false fetters. If you keep losing to blessrush it's because you are bad. Not the nation.
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>>186872510
>MRN against 14 MR
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>>186872653
Or earth meld or tangle vines whatever fuck you have no excuse for losing to aphroi

They are garbage
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>>186871314
Therodos got lots of wins very early after people theorycrafted that they would be garbage. Ys has had plenty of time to get actual wins.
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>>186872883
>you have no excuse for losing to aphroi
Unless you're Ys.
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>>186872883
I was about to say neither of those work UW, but I checked and they do.

Why hasn't some clever Oceania play wrecked Pelagia with these?
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>>186873102
>Earlygame is just about colliding your sacreds together head-on

Stay bad
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>>186873264
Because UW players are trash see>>186873102
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>>186873264
Because it's a meme and he is arguing for the sake of arguing.

I'm not even asking where he is going to get mages to spam those.
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>>186873402
Ysian druids?
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>>186873538
Sure, let's buy Ysian Druids from cap, it's not like you wanted to expand, or anything.
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>>186873651
Protip: lead expansion parties with indie commanders to get more mages
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>>186873787
Oh, so you simply never tried to play Ys, even in SP. Why do I even bother.
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>>186873874
I do not normally play UW because I am not a faggot.
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>>186873925
Then stop pretending you know what you are talking about.
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>>186873975
Just a cursory glance at the mod manager is enough to tell you are full of shit.
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>>186874128
The new generation of Dom4inspector Warriors is already here I see.
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bitches don't know 'bout my empire
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>>186873874

Have you ever tried expanding with something other than those ridiculusly overpriced sacreds. I've heard people say Ysian Knights work.
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Machaka, you literal nigger.

I mean, I'll kill him this turn, but the fact that you can't take a 2-pointer near your capital on turn 50 is just a testament of your incompetence.
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>>186874678
For 50 gold they are pretty shit.

And good land expansion with sacreds is literally the only Ys selling point, why even bother playing them if you won't do that?
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>>186874969
You can still expand on land with them just don't sacrifice all mage production on them. That way you won't lose your cap to armies that can be stopped by 1 earth meld.
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>>186873267
>Ys early game isn't that
Feel free to share your great revelations, but they don't have a lot that comes out early besides that.
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>>186875286
At this point I'm pretty convinced your Earth Meld bless rush countermeasures are pure theorycrafting as well.
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>>186875702
>>186875317
>buying mages early is impossible
>earth meld don't real

The absolute state of uw players
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>>186875816

>what is evo tank with literally any unit
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>>186875816
Nation strengths and weaknesses are basically completely irrelevant, after all, every nation can evo catch with Fall Bears, and beat any rush with Earth Meld.
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>>186876147
If Chad plays them, then yes.
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>>186875816
>earth meld
>enough to make a difference between sacreds at 120 gold and 53 resources and sacreds that are only slightly less survivable but with better HP and cost 65 gold and 15 resources
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyVanilla
Pls join, 4 slots remaining. I want to finally try my innovative strategy.
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I like nonsensical disputes on /domg/.
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>>186875971
We are talking about uw players so don't expect any attempts at basic countering.

>>186876147
I'm not against balancing but the game shouldn't be balanced around the lowest common denominator of uw players that build nothing but sacreds and a move on the enemy cap and if that fails they go ai.
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>>186876485
Are you the guy who is insanely buttmad about Therodos winning that AI game?
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>>186876560
No. Who gets so worked up about memegames anyway?
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>>186876781
Autists like you do, that's why I asked.
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>>186876931
You sound worked up.
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>>186876931
Dominions player calling another dominions player autistic on 4chins.

Never gets old.
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Can someone give me some info on how Neritia is doing in the game? I can't see them from where I am, but they have staled twice now.
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>>186879782
ate Sargassia, has a lot of land and thrones and forts
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>>186879782

smerv guy should be back today btw, does the sub want to return the nation?
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AT LAST!

AFTER TEN THOUSAND TURNS I'M FREE!
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>>186883235
Gotta warn you. You can take anything except the enchantresses province to your left. If you take it, jew occupation will seem like a luxury resort.
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>>186883235
What the actual fuck.
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>>186883104
Yeah, I was informed that he was only subbing until the guy got back.

Also found a sub for Neritia, so the curse has been beaten back for now.
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>>186876560
He sounds like the guy who gets insanely buttmad any time the topic of UW comes up.
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>>186885687
t. buttmad uwshitter
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You finally have everything set up to cast wish, what do you wish for?
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>>186886848
kill me, pete
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>>186886848
the scepter of dark regency
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>>186886734
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>>186872289
>>186872337
He's actually right, but it's been a very recent thing. I blame whoever Magus Atlantis is for actually doing well with them
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>>186886848
friends
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>>186872337
I think EA Atlantis is at least as common as Pelagia.
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>>186886848
Azazel.
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>>186889635
'I cannot give you that'
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>>186890089
Wrong.
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>>186890741
Wew lad.
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Earth meld does stop a blessrush
Ys has 25% chance to get a druid that can cast it without gems
Ys has a base E gem income of 1
They have a 25% chance of getting something that can cast Tangle Vines
False Fetters is MRN
Ys's troops cannot beat Oceania's sacreds, and Ys's sacreds are more expensive than Oceania's

do you see the problem

saying "There is a counter to this strategy" requires the nation on the receiving end to be able to effectively put that counter in place.
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>>186891809
Just keep them contained in the water, and then freeze the water.
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Should I buy Dominions 4 or Conquest of Elysium 4?
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>>186895608
Dominions 4. Conquest of Elysium is like a Heroes of Might and Magic with better lore and worse gameplay.
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>>186894870
Encase in Ice is Alt 4 and requires W2, which is a thing Ys only gets guaranteed on a cap only StR.
>>186895608
Dom 4
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fug


Im falling asleep rn but I'll be up tomorrow morning as early as possible
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>>186895608
Dom 4, Elusium 4 has to many gameplay problems to make it worthwhile
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>>186895608
Dom 4
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>>186895914
Going for Alt instead on Conj UW means you are fucked when the other guy starts shitting out water elementals though.
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>>186895914
I think he was referring to Sea of Ice there as a joke.
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Is Ravenous Swarm worthwhile if you expect the opposing side might field a tart?
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>>186901164
The only nation which has pastries is Kirk.
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>>186901164
yes, if you aren't also deploying any undead
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So them UW nations am I right?
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>>186904965
Yes.
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyVanilla

Join up, just a few slots left.
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>>186904965
No
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>>186905559

>vanilla
>uses sumememod

no thanks
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>>186904965
Maybe
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>>186905559
This might just be me but I think more people would join if you had a better name, I ain't joining because the name sucks.
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>>186905928
Check your autism
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>>186904965
It depends
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>>186904965
I don't know. Maybe test it?
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want a fast quick game, join this game! http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Full_meme
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>>186907145
well memed
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>>186905559
There's a version of that map that has fewer water provinces in the main sea, if you guys are interested. I don't remember what it's called, but it's already on Llama and has working links
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Sorry to the other players, but I'm going AI this turn with the return of college. Thank you for the game until now.
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>>186910760
What gaem?
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>>186911097
yours
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>>186910760
>going AI on turn 4
>going AI at all
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Man, that's pretty great for turn 11.
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>>186915175

not on a nation with healers
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I teleported my monolith to kill one of an MA Abysia player's smaller armies.
Now its stuck in that province and I suspect abysia will try to kill it with magic duel.

My monolith is S3. What are the chances of my monolith surviving against a dozen or so warlocks?
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>>186916602
Kiss your pretender goodbye.
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>>186916602
>its stuck in that province
build a lab and teleport back home, send a scout with astral pearls give it to the stone and have it cast returning, or >>186916729
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>>186873102
Why the fuck are they so expensive?
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>>186918441
Underwater they are absolutely shit, but their land shape has 3 attacks a charge bonus lance, a hoof attack, and a no repel aoe1 fire breath. That being said they could stand to lose about half the cost off both resources and gold. They also have glamor and built in sailing so that probably drives up any autocalc price.
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>>186918441
On land their horses breath AoE fire damage.
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>>186919215
also
female
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I need 12h in Snekeater in order to be able to get my turn in on time.

I'll probably not need all of those hours, but I couldn't take it yet and I'm not going to be at home for a while.
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24h for Abysia.
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Furthermore, Elludia must be destroyed.
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>>186919528
Does gender ever matter outside of seduction?
Hell, even there you can get around it with the amulets.
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>>186911097
Guess my name didn't come trough, I'm Worpal Ermor. My position is really too precarious to keep going.
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>>186921410
Of course gender matters shitlord
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fucking toxic shit game only having "male" and "female" what about the other genders? wtf
mod to add sexual identity and more genders when?
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Man, I am not going to have a fun time facing these guys
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>>186923249
You'll not be alone though. PM'd you.
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>>186922721
>>186923016
Don't talk like that; the devs are Swedes and they may take you seriously.
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>>186923249
rofl did some retards go turmoil 3 just for a shitty regen bless
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>>186923249
Ulm has np reking hanky palankies
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>>186923459
>not going turmoil 3 as lanka
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>>186923489
Well that's good, I was worried due to the high hitpoints and regen.
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>>186923249
Hope you took Order.
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>>186923459
I imagine that they went turmoil 3 just for the bloodhunting
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>>186923249
I'm gonna help you. Hold tight.
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>>186923606
Order 3 my dude
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>>186923630
Turmoil is terrible
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>tfw you're the buffer state
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>>186924036
Is 'buffer state' a polite way to say 'attack me now'?
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>>186923995
It's better than not having growth 3
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>>186919939
I, Emperor Evil, could submit my orders at any time, but merely choose to delay them as an expression of my wanton cruelty! Ah ha ha!
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>>186927362
Abysia?
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>>186927531
That's shinu and mari
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this game would be so much more popular if it was free to play
how can they see fucking shitty mobile games with millions of players then not release a free to play mobile dominions

Of course then they would need to spend effort making a UI that isn't absolutely dogshit..
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>>186927967
Before everything else I wish I could queue movement for more than one turn.
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>>186928662
Freespawn nations would become dozens of times more fun to play overnight.
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>>186928662
Provinces should be able to be set to deliver any units built or spawned there to the nearest fort/rally point

So a country like Ermor doesn't make you want to kill yourself
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>>186927967
Are you the same guy begging for free CD keys?
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Setting pologoo AI after their 2 stales. If anyone wants to sub, post here or hit me up before the turn processes.
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>>186934276
Now you suddenly care.
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>>186935748
2 stales is the rule, so yeah. If you asked for a sub earlier, I missed it.
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>>186935835
I asked to set that faggot AI earlier.

The game is full of incompetent people, and the only competent one (Ashdod) is going to fail his Arel thronerush spectacularly next turn.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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>>186935917
Well, again, the rule is 2 stales, so if he just misses one turn he's still definitely given a chance to submit
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You're 100 years too early to challenge me, small fry.
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Time to end this little game.
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>>186938085
post gear
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>>186938730
This is the guy from the first battle. Literally only cast divine blessing, and gryphons and angels did all the work.
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>>186938818
this is very surprising
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>>186938730
This is the guy from the second battle. The plan was to just teleport there, cast air elementals you know, Ashdod, if your end-game thronerush doesn't include a counter to a conj 5 spell, something is wrong, and then give the rest of the gear to the naked archangel I summoned with angelic host (it has province range 5)
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...But Ashdod was kind enough to give me his own gear! Thank you, Ashdod!
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>>186938085
how coms that first one lost tho. That's way more than enough magery to kill some flyers, even with a huger bless
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>>186938937
How do you kill elementals without taking heavy losses oh wise one?
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The fire brands from the first guy were also generously donated by Ashdod's two thugs, by the way.

>>186938912
There's nothing surprising about it. Angels of the Host are pretty good anti-thugs with the right bless. Also would be fucking ASSDEVASTATING against tarts. 30 AP damage (x3 against undead and deoms) +12 AP fire damage aftereffect.
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>>186939282
72 mazzikim and 17 sages and a thug are different, tho. Second battle is totally unsurprising, yeah, but sages are Real Mages that can cast Real Spells and then he's got a few big guys on top of that
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>>186939413
Shitty script. Either Ashdod didn't care, or he had no gems because he spent all of them on the thronerush.
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>>186939251
It depends. In this particular situation, some ACTUAL support instead of 3 mediocre "SCs" that are (as Ashdod already knew by experience) countered by naked archangel and his 5 buddies would've been nice.
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>>186939531
doesn't it break your script wh en a whole buncha flyers jump on your head
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>>186940147
It really shouldn't when you have a lot of mages and chaff. The fliers were grouped in the front anyway, as you can see. I guess Ashdod expected to see 1 crossbowman on that fort. Some people can't play 5D chess and predict where a flying stack would go.
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>bragging about winning against the AI
Is this some new meme?
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>>186940292
Please, don't belittle Ashdod's achievements. He was by far the most successful player in that shit game anyway. It's just that I knew what he was going to do most of the time.
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>>186940405
But the game page doesn't show Ashdod. Doesn't that mean he's AI?
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>>186940468
Yep. But when a player goes AI he still does the turn he sends (can't make an AI do it before you submit). Keep that in mind if you want to spite your enemy one last time with some pro scripting or raising PD to 100.
>>
Do not be alarmed, that admin message was merely a test. There is nothing to worry about.
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>>186942297
I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.
>>
Pretender's in his dominion, all's right with the world.
>>
Can't wait for the turn to rotate and be intercepted by better players at every turn.
>>
>chaospower/orderpower
>slothpower/productivitypower
>heatpower/coldpower
>deathpower/growthpower
>magicpower/drainpower
>springpower/summerpower/fallpower/winterpower
>darkpower/lightpower
>stormpower
There should be a nation built around having the right units for every situation.
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>>186948459
sounds gross and unwieldy
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>>186948459
It's called a blood nation.
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>>186948459
Just get a all astral pretender, and once you get enough gems wish for magical power. Soon you will be unbeatable. Be sure to wish for Power as well if you want to double that pretenders health.
>>
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyVanilla

3 slots left.

Despite the name, it uses latest summod.
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>>186950320
You wanna know what is a better game that that, THIS GAME
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Full_meme
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>>186891809
>do you see the problem

Plenty of nations have weak or situational sacreds. It's not really a problem when you have other boons to compemsate for it and Ys does. The people that argue that Ys dies to other UW nations have suggested that facing against more efficient sacreds head on as the only option Ys has uw. It's simply not true.

Ys is already a pain in the ass to deal with on land and any buffs would only aggrevate the situation so I'm strongly against that.
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>>186891809
Furthermore there is nothing wrong with burning some E gems to stop a blessrush. Ys has all the tools need to survive a blessrush but apparently the players choose not to use them.
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>>186891809
Every Ysian Druid can at least cast earth grip, and in a defensive war you will have a troop advantage because of closer recruitment (all else equal).

Each druid can grip 8 troops before falling asleep, a much higher amount than equal goldcost of sacred cavalry.

Once held, they'll be easy prey for even Ys' shittiest troops.

I haven't played it out ingame, but what he's saying sounds plausible. It would at least force the enemy to bring more troop variety than just a sacred blessrush, which would slow them down a lot.
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>>186948459
>he wants fucking conflux in Dominions
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>>186905559
>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EarlyVanilla
3 slots left
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>>186953347
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Full_meme
One slot left
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>>186895914
>requires W2, which is a thing Ys only gets guaranteed on a cap only StR

What is Summon Water Power?
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>>186952615
>I haven't played it out ingame
Of course you didn't, because it doesn't work.
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>>186953492
A turn gone while pelagian knights close the distance.
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>>186953702
>implying you've tried it either
If you want to post turn files and prove the proposed strategy doesn't work, go ahead.

Otherwise bring some actual arguments.

>>186953723
>A turn gone while pelagian knights close the distance.
You did bring chaff, right?

Closer just means more accurate spells once you actually start casting.
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>>186952187
>>186952615
Do you even realize how different an UW rush is from one on land? The enemy doesn't have to worry about some third nation interfering (unless it's some meme game with 3 or more UW nations). He doesn't have to worry about expanding (he has all the time in the world to grab all those remaining US provinces later. Unlike you, since Ys needs LAND expansion) He knows where your cap is (because you're both in the same small pond). How many turns do you think you have to hire those mages from your cap and do your research, assuming you want some kind of expansion?
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>>186952615
>Earth Grip
Way too slow, targets one person at range 15? Against cavalry sacreds? Hell, this isn't even considering Riley's mindblasters. It might stop a rush from Atlantis. Might.
>>186952349
There isn't anything wrong with burning some E gems. The problem is you'll have between 1 and 12 gems TOTAL to cast earth meld
>>186952187
Ys would be a good nation if it was land, not UW. They're cap reliant, and they are incredibly prone to losing their cap. Also, lack of W2s means water elementals cost 2 gems instead of 1.
>>186953492
Costs a turn, a W1 casting SWP still takes 2 gems to summon a water elemental and encase in ice is in the wrong school. Ice a shit
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>>186953994
>chaff
>stopping those knights
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>>186954138
Yes, Ys on land would be pretty sold, kind of like non-giant Fomoria.
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>>186953994
>chaff
oh yes I'll just bring these 12 gold units to fucking die in one or two turns before routing while my 4 mages manage to stop a few of their horsies before the rest fucking eat them
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>>186954110
6-10 turns before you are forced into major battles. More then enough to get an E mage and some alt. Just don't go full retard on the sacreds. You have the advantage over land nations that you KNOW an early war is coming and where from so you can prepare.
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>>186954572
>an E mage
Well that's just fantastic.
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>>186954572
So that's between 6 and 10 turns where you aren't recruiting sacred leaders to expand, and no Ys cannot expand without a bless, their troops are trash
That's between 6 and 10 turns to roll the fucking dice on a 25% chance to get an E2
That's between 6 and 10 turns to research Alt 2, which is possible sure, but leaves you behind when the other UW nation reaches conj 5 first and drowns you in W elementals
>>
I'm done fucking arguing. The only solution is for me to pick Ys and show you shitters how it's done. I would normally never stoop as low as to pick uw elves but you fuckers forced my hand. You are welcome to join in as fucking Pelagia or whatever and try to rush me and get curb stomped if you like.
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>>186955580
But you need a game to join first, also please document your findings.
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>>186955580
Oh fucking please m80 boy
I'm sure you will succeed where so many others have failed
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>>186955580
fite me irl
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>>186955580
We can just do a duel if you want. Set VC to capital capture, no thrones. Shouldn't take more than an hour to kill an Ys as Pelagia.
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During one of the previous turns
>a messenger has arrived from Pangaea
>I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT YOU SO DON'T ATTACK ME, YOU BIG MEANIE (Agartha did nothing to this fucker)
This turn I get pic related (it's the second time it has happened, by the way).

Is Pangaea asking for it?
What should poor peaceful Agartha do? Vanarus is implying that someone else is cancer but that other dude was rather okay so far.

Also, Shinuyama, shouldn't you fight him instead of amassing your army on my border?
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>>186956070
>NoMalakals
>everyone is Malakals
just like pottery
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>>186955838
Is there an UW duel map?
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>>186956175
>plottery
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>>186955807
Other apparently didn't try casting anything beyond blessing.
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>>186956398
fuck, of course
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>>186956070
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................
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>>186954110
Don't play a second UW nation on a map suited for only one, then?

Maps designed for 2+ UW nations are generally not just 'a big pond', and it takes a significant amount of time to even encounter the other water player.

>>186954232
For the single turn it takes to start casting, absolutely.

>>186955286
>no Ys cannot expand without a bless, their troops are trash
Have you actually played Ys, or are you just a massive scrub?

First time expanding with no-bless Ys, I got 18 provinces after the following
>took W9E4 bless and didn't use it, for equality of scales with a bless build
>recruit nearly a mage per turn
>2 random events take provinces off me (didn't count them in the final score, since I hadn't taken them back)
>surprise cloud mage province kills an expansion party
>throw three expansion parties away attacking risky provinces due to lack of experience with their troops

Someone with more experience and less bad luck could do a great no-bless expansion, especially if they were smart and took an earth snake rather than wasting a ton of points on a bless.
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>>186956808
This guy gets it.
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post pretender designs
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>>186957318
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>>186957345
10/10
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>>186956808
And you have achieved absolutely nothing of value, because without a decent force of sacreds you won't be able to keep your pathetic few land provinces (which you absolutely need, unlike other UW nations who can take their time), and your UW provinces will be conquered by a superior UW nation anyway.

Ys has a narrow window of opportunity in the beginning of the game wher they can manage a massive land expansion with their sacreds. If you don't do that, you are essentially playing like a shittier R'lyeh, and you will get exactly what you deserve.
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>>186956175
I dunno, pic related seems pretty trustworthy.

>>186956662
An unexpected but somewhat appreciated event, Mr. Scout. Post screenshot of who you are and maybe we can be friends? I need some certainty in this game of (no) Malakals.

Also, who was the first agressor in the Sceleria vs Jotunheim war?
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>>186956808
Your not proving your point because there is no other Under water nation and everything is indies
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>>186957345
I don't really understand this strat t b h
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>>186957523
Finding magic sites
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>>186957523
It's a specialized pretender build for a multi-stale strat.
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>>186957479
Maybe. Or maybe I would want to remove living mercuries before they even appear. I'll decide when battle reports come. And Sceleria attacked Jotunheim first, as it has 2 rivers it can't cross and 1 throne it can't take in its cap circle.
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>>186957445
Why would any land nation of the right mind remove Ys from the coast when they know that means being sailing and cloud trapeze raided for the rest of the game?
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>>186957813
That's a really odd question.
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>NoMalakals is becoming the cold war game
>Can't win without diplomancing anymore
I didn't sign for this. Let me off the ride.
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I think I'm just going to go AI. Ain't no fun when the admin can't be assed to give you the requested extension when you're out of town. 'sides, I'm mostly dead at this point.
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>>186957445
>without a decent force of sacreds you won't be able to keep your pathetic few land provinces
Many land nations manage to hold onto their land without strong sacreds, why is Ys different?

If anything Ys should be less likely to get attacked, because most nations have no chance of finishing them off. Nobody wants to be the guy dealing with UW raids for the whole game.

>>186957514
>ys can't expand without a bless!
>show decent 18 province expansion with a terrible pretender and lots of mistakes
>it doesn't count because you didn't fight another player!
What the hell are you talking about? Whether or not Ys' non-sacred troops can beat indies has nothing to do with other players.
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>>186958158
I said nothing about blesses, Y are outbeat by basically any other water nation
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>>186837719
...uhm?
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>>186620028
Shit, i'm glad i caught this when I did
Don't worry, I'm extending for you
Ganbatte!
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>>186957654
Are they even that good? You should have noticed what my mages were busy making. I also have a terrible lack of water gems. Maybe you could give me some of yours to ensure that you have something to fear.

>>186957971
Eh, Pan seems to feel pretty comfortable just being a dickhead.
I try diplomancing because I need a reason to kick somebody.
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>>186958264
The guy who the picture was in response to literally said "no Ys cannot expand without a bless".
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>>186958158
>Many land nations manage to hold onto their land without strong sacreds, why is Ys different?
Because they can hire decent land troops from turn 1, unlike Ys.

Because they don't have to fight an UW war at the same time, unlike Ys.

>If anything Ys should be less likely to get attacked, because most nations have no chance of finishing them off.
Fantastic theorycrafting, friend, have you ever played an actual game, or do you spend your days entirely in mod inspector?
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>>186958079

Mictlan is getting rekt bud, surely you can fight Ulm alone, he is also small as you are.

Please dont give up yet.
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>>186958430
That wasnt me though, perhaps the board should have IDs so people can keep track of who they are talking to
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>>186958518
Badmin seems to be Mictlan. I'm not playing in a game run by someone who intentionally makes me stale in order to have a better fight.
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>>186958503
Have you ever played a land nation? Do you know how annoying it is to border a uw shitter you've pissed off?
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>>186958640
nigga i'm pangea and i extended to 15:00 GMT
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>>186958650
Everyone knows fully well that Ys will be killed off by another UW nation soon enough, so nobody cares about upsetting them.
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so are you guys srs in thinking that you can't expand without fucking expensive blessed sacred's?
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>>186958896
>Relying on some uw shitter to be competent

Um no i'll stay away from pissing off ys
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>>186958754
Right.

And you definitely didn't post this right after I'd posted about you ignoring my request, which was for the previous fucking turn, not this one.
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>>186958987
Every nation can expand without sacreds or an awake.

Not every nation can expand well enough without sacreds or an awake.

Ys cannot expand well enough without sacreds or awake.

The only selling poitnt of Ys, their one strong side, is expanding well with sacreds.

If you are not expanding with sacreds, there is literally zero reason to play Ys.
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>>186958998
oh, s-sorry lanka
i don't always go through the thread
g-gomen please forgive me

Also I am literally Pangea, calm down
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>>186958627
Well, if you don't disagree that Ys can expand fine with non-sacred troops, there really isn't any need to reply to that section of my post.

It was literally just to prove that Ys doesn't need sacreds for expansion, nothing to do with when you fight other players.

>>186958896
>Everyone knows fully well that Ys will be killed off by another UW nation soon enough
Except half the people in this argument right now.
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>>186959152

too late, he already went AI
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>>186959152
Too late, I already went AI
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>>186959267

Mictlan just lost a fort too

he is pretty dead but oh well
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>>186959508
So was I. And I'd already asked to either give me an extension or to set me as AI, and since he didn't do the former, I could only assume he wanted the latter.
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>>186959267
>>186959242
i am a failure, a scion of shame for my family
i must commit sudoku
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Fucking Lanka reeeeeeee
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Furthermore, we need a new thread
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>>186960796
Truly, Malakal is the only trustworthy fellow in this whole playerbase.
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>>186960964
Do great Pale Ones support this action?
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>>186961059

the hinnomese community is behind this!
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>>186961184
Rephaim will pay and the new thread will be painted by their accursed blood!
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>tfw all I want to do is play Mictlan but I always get gangbanged by the end of the first year
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>>186960796
Dont worry, its only three hours to go, also u suck dicks due to restart
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>>186962057
Better to have one person stale on turn 4 than 2 on turn 3.
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>>186962159
Better to just bump down the time then bump it back up.
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Nice try TC
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>>186962365
The game was lost like 15-20 turns ago due to Sauronigger being a complete retard. It just seemed a shame to go AI without seeng those summons in battle first.
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>>186962461

you still have a shitload of other mages and summons sitting on their asses elsewhere.
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>>186962506
If you honestly believe that makes any difference, you are dumber that I thought.
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>>186962569

I don't know if they would make a difference, I just know you didn't even try to fight me.

You had a sage province and I am assuming dozens of sages. Haven't seen one big communion from you.

You had ice druid province, haven't seen one.

You had lizard shamans province, guess what? None seen.

You had enchantresses and wizards. None have seen a battle.

So yeah you didn't even try.
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>>186962661
There are shamans in your own screenshot, dumbass.

As for the rest, what's the point of hiring expensive indy mages, if I already have all path diversity I need as TC?

For communions, I didn't have research to cast anything useful with them.

I have no idea what's your point. Vanheim quit after he lost one battle against you, and you convinced the only other major power to do nothing and let you win (his only contribution to the game was overcasting my global). Congratulations, you earned your win.
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>>186962852

You could cast living water with 16+ slaves.

Also dude, you had conj9 how the fuck do you not have magic for battle? It blows my mind. My best research is 8 and that is one school.
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>>186962924
>Also dude, you had conj9 how the fuck do you not have magic for battle?
Because I have Conj9 and pretty much nothing else, obviously. I messed up with research priorities because I thought Demon summons and the big Ancestor spell are worth it for EA TC, they are actually not. By the time it was obvious it was already too late so I decided to just go with it and have some fun with high Conj stuff at least.
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>>186962852
>why do i need higher path mages that don't need communions
And this, everyone, is why mixed skill games were always a mistake
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>>186963779
There are no "higher path mages" listed.
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>>186963898
>wizards
>enchantresses
>not potentially higher path than celestial masters and Mot5Es, which are more valuable, and more expensive
You are a Fool
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>>186964172
Yes, potentially, randoms on a StR wizard could align in a way that could give me something relatively high path. Except:

1) They couldn't be massed due to StR and unreliable randoms anyway
2) With Turmoil 3 (another bad decision for EA TC, actually) I did not have money to spend on hiring several F1A1E1 retards before I hopefully got a decent wizard
3)who would probably die soon anyway, because my wizard site was in the same province with a plague site, and a couple of wizards I did hire got diseased on the same turn they were recruited.
4) And if I can't mass them they're worthless, since I already have those paths on some of my mages anyway.

So you may as well shut up.
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>>186964951
The game is turn 60. You had time to mass them
>F1A1E1
>useless
So a few wizards get diseased. May as well not recruit any old age mage in the game then, right?

You are a Fool
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>>186965113
>You had time to mass them
Spending gold on StR mages, 50% of which will be useless to me and 50% of the remaining ones will get insta-diseased is retarded.

Say I found that academy around turn 15. With StR and constant gold shortage, that's about 20-25 mages until turn 60. Half of them are useless, that's 12 good mages. Half of them die to disease almost immediately, that's 6. Which would change absolutely nothing, I had enough of my own mages with similar paths.

Stop beeing an irritating dumb cunt.
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What do people with normal nations do when they stumble upon a pop kill throne?
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>>186965620
cry
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>>186965647
Sounds like a logical and simple course of action. I am a baka for not thinking about it myself.
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>>186965582
Oh do tell me what your idea of a "useless" mage is
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