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NEWS
>Persona 5 anime coming in 2018: http://personacentral.com/persona-5-animation-announced-air-2018/
>Persona Q2 revealed: http://pq2.jp
>Persona 3: Dancing Moon Night and Persona 5: Dancing Star Night revealed: http://persona-dance.jp/
>Persona 4 featured in BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle: http://personacentral.com/blazblue-cross-tag-battle-announced-features-persona-4-arena/

INFO
>P5 Info
pastebin.com/MJuR9h0S

GUIDES
>General Guide
pastebin.com/eCHRjKCZ
>PQ Guide
pastebin.com/Bq16HvJh
>P4U2 Guide/Resources
pastebin.com/M3MPepKb

DOWNLOADS
>Art, Guides, Music, etc.
pastebin.com/Vh0CdRit
>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
mediafire.com/?4kjjaf0jtw2jyj3
>Persona Image Collection
mediafire.com/?9j3us2v34coua
>Persona 5 Resources
pastebin.com/CZEvEgiE
>Persona ISOs
mega.nz/#F!5iQAGTLB!U1LUUTLtawRdsWSDDFSAQQ
>Persona Super Live P-Sound Bomb!!!! 2017 concert
mega.nz/#F!FrozXCyI!-GKGzOozZmejeAnDZQdUbw

MANGA
>Scans
personascans.tumblr.com
mediafire.com/personascans#unst48ukbu457
pastebin.com/L3WXvsf3
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Where are my Pixie doujins?
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Tae is bae!
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The autism in making this thread early and then waiting to post it at the bump limit.
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>>186480709
No one but you cares
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>>186480709
I almost decided to undercut him by making a completely new one and linking it first.
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>>186480756
I'm just pointing it out desu, no need to get mad
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>>186480709
We should have boycotted this one too, but these faggots
>>186480629
>>186480707
>>186480537

Never let us do that.
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>>186480756
t.discorder
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>>186480537
I love Beelzebub!
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>>186480867
How does that make any sense at all? It's a fucking Haru thread
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>>186480840
We don't need to boycott anything, besides, once the ritual posts are done nothing is forcing you to keep posting here.
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>>186480756
We threw a fit over it two threads ago.
People always hate it when the thread gets made early newfag
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>>186480867
>>186480840

What are you gonna do about it faggot
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>>186480707
Tae is Sae's bae!
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>>186480902
>newfag
Been here forever, newfag. No one fucking cares, just a couple autists who like to bitch.
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>>186480890
Discorders always make their threads early as shit then when people call them out they always throw out that "NOBODY CARES BUT YOU!" line.
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>>186480979
t. p5onli
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>>186480979
>sensitive about being called a newfag
>has to say "n-no I'm not!"
Not him, but you're clearly new.
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>>186480995
>they always throw out that "NOBODY CARES BUT YOU!" line.
No, that's usually me. And I'm not a discorder
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>>186480979
>this fucking newfag crying about being called a newfag

Quit making early threads, we're supposed to wait for page 10, but at least wait till we hit the bump limit to make a new one.
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>>186481062
t.discorder
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>>186481062
Same.
Honestly it doesn't really matter as long as they're not 50+ posts early, and/or there aren't multiple threads already in existence.
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>>186481062
Hi Mariefag, aidsshitter, labrysfag!

Can't wait for you to try to defend your next 30+ early thread
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>>186481062
t.harufag
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>>186481062
Discorders have said that before when they've made their threads early.
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>>186481158
>Hi Mariefag, aidsshitter, labrysfag!
You must be an imbecile.
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>>186481158
>>186481086
Faces of autism.
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>>186481062
t. Harufag
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>>186480979
>I-I'm totally not a newfag
>I-I've been here since 1990
lol
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>>186481198
Nice response, fuck off to your discord already.
We've agreed not to use threads posted before 750.
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Aidsfag here how I do join the squad
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>>186481201
>>186481198
>Wah! Use my early thread guys! Only autists care! I mean, I totally don't care, but still use it!
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Off to a fantastic start I see
We've got all the autists corralled into one thread once again
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For good nights!
For JUSTICE!
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>>186481327
Of course you'd show up now
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>>186481298
The funniest part is I'm pretty sure all the discorders are actually in bed by now. I've never seen any of them on at this time before.

Nevermind. >>186481327
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>>186481287
Dude it doesn't fucking matter
It wasn't insanely early, and it isn't even a discord thread.
He wasn't wrong when he said that only autists care.
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>>186481327
Which one of you shitters is responsible for this today
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>>186481410
I wasn't bitching about this thread because it was made at the bump limit.

But you're retarded if you think people don't care about early threads when they're like 20+ posts early.
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>>186481463
I literally don't.
As long as there aren't multiple of them, there isn't really a problem.
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>>186481410
He made it in advance just to post it at bump limit. I don't think we should boycott these threads or anything, but do you not see that this insane defence is probably the autists who like making early threads just so they can get their thread used? Literally arguing no one cares but people who say don't use it but then you got the people who make early threads just so it gets used.
Although at this point, people are probably making new threads just to trigger people so we COULD just stop reacting.
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>>186481425
I am the only one who posts my love for Chihiro. I don't post anything else in these threads unless it's Chihiro discussion or game discussion, the latter which I do anonymously.
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>>186481410
So if I make a new thread at 700, no one but autists will care right?
Thanks for clearing that up.
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>>186481463
Clearly nobody gives a shit but you.
>Inb4 newfag
>Inb4 discorder
Nope. Just not autistic.
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>>186481487
Boy can't wait to make a new thread 100+ posts early because that's okay now.
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>>186481535
I guessing you weren't here a few threads ago when all those people were complaining about it?
Or when Mariefag made his thread and people bitched at him?
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>>186481501
So Mariefag, Ryujifag or Labrysfag are doing it then?
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>make early threads
>autists will either make a new thread faster than everyone else just to get it used or for the sake of shitposting
>we get threads made 50 posts early
>then 100
>several persona generals clog the catalog
>Mishima won't do anything
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>>186481606
Nah dude, it's okay. Nobody cares about early threads, it's totally fine.
See
>>186481535
>>186481487
>>186481410
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>>186481583
>So you weren't there when all these AUTISTS were complaining about it?
I was, except nobody takes you retarded chucklefucks seriously. Only you do.
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>>186481583
I was, and it was legitimately fucking autistic.
People were throwing a shitfit over basically nothing.
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>>186481606
The thread was made, what 5 posts early? Ask yourself if it's really worth wasting your life bitching about that. Really. Are you that fucking bored?
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Goro Akechi
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>>186481668
>>186481674
I get it. Expect a new thread at 700. Because that's 100% okay with you guys.
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>>186481592
Only Chihibro.
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He stole my heart
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Post better things.
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>>186481687
It was made a few minutes in advance. He just didn't link it until bump limit.
My point is it's a slippery slope. If you say "oh it's fine to give this much leeway" then you're going to allow more and more until it gets ridiculous. There is a strict line where you do and do not make new generals.
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>>186481715
Go ahead, aidshitter.
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>>186481687
Nobody's arguing against this thread. They're arguing about making threads early in general. It's a slippery slope you autist.
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>suddenly needing cute persona waifu pictures
>check in on the general

Oh, shit. Sorry guys.
Didn't realize you were in the middle of something.
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>>186481745
Your point is autism. It doesn't fucking matter. And this thread would be much, much better if you had said nothing.

At this point you're nothing but a fucking shitposter.
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>>186481592
Wait, are you talking about this thread? I'm tired it's late and I apologize. They all went to sleep hours ago. I came into this thread with no idea what was going on so I thought you were asking if someone else was doing Chihibro posts.
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Big bro can I please have some magic salt? I feel sick...
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>the general isn't even discussion relevant to persona
>it's exclusively butthurt autists arguing over an extremely trivial issue
I don't know what I expected, back to the catalog I guess.
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>>186481791
You aren't merely pretending right? Do you not understand why you don't do this? If we have the catalog clogged with our own general then we're knocking other generals off the catalog. If we have enough autism, it will then force ever other general to make new threads just to get rid of our excess threads that aren't used.
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>>186481856
Bye bitch.
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>>186481812
>it's another episode of /pg/ sperging out and blaming people who aren't even here for it
Doesn't surprise me anymore.
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Why dont we just leave it to a leader to decide when to sent the calling thread?

Naturally I should be the leader, I'm the coolest guy in this general and my arcana is the Fool
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>>186481948
The discorder bogeyman meme has been around for a long while, anon.
I don't think people are going to grow out of it.
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>>186481979
haha, yeah
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>>186481952
For real, Morgana?
You're friggin' useless...
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>>186481948
Nobody was blaming them for this thread being made a little early. They were using them as an example of people who make early threads.
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Bot spammer is way worse than any boogeyman will ever be
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>>186482019
Take it back
I agree that Morgana is the best and should decide when new threads should be made
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Kawaclaimed.
Kawawriter here to say, good morning /pg/.
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We're going to post some cute girls now, if someone makes a new thread early just ignore it! They want your reaction! They'll stop eventually if you stop reacting!
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>>186482026
>being this naive
You clearly don't understand /pg/ and its irrational hatred of its discorders.
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>>186482019
t. Aidsshitter
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>>186482060
Here I fixed that for you bud.
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>>186481812
>They all went to sleep hours ago.
Ryujifag is right fucking here >>186482019
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>>186482083
Oh god what have you done
Are you trying to birth a shitstorm?
You can't let /pg/ become aware of its true self, anon.
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>>186482083
Every board and generals hates discorders, you act like this place is special.
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>>186482083
>irrational
Fuck off
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>>186482083
>irrational hatred
No. They're hate is very well deserved.
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>>186482083
>irrational
lol
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>>186482083
>irrational
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>>186482158
Hate to say it like this, but
>Ryuji is posted
>It must be Ryujifag!
is rather flakey evidence.
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>>186482158
Aren't you a funny little possum?
>>186482262
>>186482235
>>186482229
>>186482190
>>186482170
Epic. Simply epic.
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/>>186481952
Very well, i'm in your care.
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>>186482279
no one outside of your shitty circlejerk likes you.
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>>186482121
Rude.
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>>186482272
We already know that aidsfag and ryujifag are separate people, but /pg/ would never accept that because
>muh discorders
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Yukuse, I would like to remind you that you are already 2 weeks behind on your debt. When I covered the team's gear budget, I made it clear to everyone what I expect back. Annchan and Makochan have already paid off their debts, but you need help. Why dont we look at your other assets we can use? You could sell me paintings at 100 yen each.
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>>186482279
Go fuck yourself you dick riding faggot.
Nobody likes their shitty group.
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Cute girls
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>>186482320
>This mad jealously because we have friends and you don't.
Attention fag harder, little boy. Perhaps one day you will get invited
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>>186482336
There are multiple aidsposters you autistic loser.
Ryujifag is one of many.
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>another discorder shitfit
Never changes.
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>>186482336
This meme always bothered me. It came off as homophobia more than a way to attack someone you think is annoying.
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He's baiting silly boys, stop replying
>>186482336
It's a meme you dip
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>>186482416
Maybe the discorders should permanently fuck off
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>>186482363
It's up to you, anon.
Help focus these lost souls on the only thing that matters anymore.
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>>186482421
>homophobia
this is the worst meme
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>>186482372
Aee you guys actually friends or are you just text on a screen throwing memes at each other? Having friends sounds nice desu...
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>>186482421
What's wrong with gay bashing? Seriously just fuck off. People hate Ryujifag because he's obnoxious as shit and hilariously thinskinned.
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>>186482421
>Muh homo rights
No, he's being attacked because he's oboxcious, posts shitty memes, and ismaan attention whoring avatarfag, not because he sucks cock.
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Why do I ever expect anything related to persona to be in these threads
I've gotta be getting senile or something
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Cute!
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>>186482421
It's probably the same fags who hate makoto just because she's smarter than them and a good female character beyond waifu bait desu
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Too cute!
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>>186482510
I don't even know. The people they're bitching about aren't even here. /pg/ truly has autism.
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>>186482546
There is no cure
Somebody please call Nyx, the Fall needs to happen sometime soon
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>>186482543
Where's the breeder
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This looks like a job for best boy
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So, you refuse to talk about persona even though you hang around here all day.

You haven't even played 1 or 2 yet you claim to not be a casual.

And on top of that, you're sticking to your story about a mysterious "discord gang" behind the recent drama.

I dont even know what the truth is anymore... Lets move on, what happened next?
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>>186482532
>she's smarter than them and a good female character beyond waifu bait desu
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>>186482629
why don't you suck my dick if being gay is so great?
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>>186482623
I don't claim not to be a casual
I play the games for fun
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>>186482620
He's on the case, anon. Never fear.
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>>186482629
You know for being so open and tolerant, you guys are really intolerant of people who hate you.
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>>186482629
Oh wow, tumblr is here too now.
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>>186482629
Its legal where I am so what's your point? If you mean in NA then No thanks I'd rather not be stabbed with a dirty needle.
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>>186482623
I like you. Post more.
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>>186482083
As they should. Discord is a piece of shit used by twitchcucks
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>>186482672
Giving a sad lonely neet like you a BJ won't fix your problems.
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>>186482707
please leave
>>186482713
That's hilariously retarded
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Who would win in a fight
Teddy in bear form at half his size
Morgana with a lead pipe
Or Koromaru, unarmed
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>>186482750
so why do you keep jerking of Chihiretard and his posse?
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I love young Makoto, I want to marry her!
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>this thread right now
Alright, lets start over. Do some ritual posts or something and ignore everything above me here
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>>186482623
1 and 2 are fucking shit games
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>>186482713
What does discord removing hate channels have to do with persona? And why would you have a problem with it?
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Hey guys I have a new idea let's eat up the post limit again by complaining about discorders because that accomplishes things and is relevant to persona
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Kawakami a kawacutie

>>186482826
Done and done
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I can't wait for Persona 5 Akechi Goro of the Resurrection!
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>>186482817
>young Sae
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>>186482834
I disagree.
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>>186482863
Cute!
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Who is the most positive influence in jokers life?
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>>186482853
Nice try. Real clever how you try to steer the conversation off topic while pretending you're on the side of being on topic.

Fuck off to /pol/
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>>186482913
Probably Sojiro
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>>186482913
Sojiro. He took him in and turned his life around. What a guy!
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>>186482713
>We're about positivity and inclusivity.
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>>186482882
I liked 2, but I thought 1 needed a bit of work to remove some of the grindier elements.
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>>186482920
Except you did the same thing by saying people only hate ryujifag because he's a fag.
Are you dumb?
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Which two confidants do you want to see hang out? They dont have to like each other
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>>186482913
Either Sojiro or Haru.
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>>186482907
Show me how many doortans you have.
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>>186482913
Goro Akechi.
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>>186482990
I hate ryujifag because he's a fag
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How many inches could you fit inside lolikoto? No lube, no items.
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>>186482990
Are you?
Not only was that not me, but that's not even in the same reply string.
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NEET
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>>186482996
Goro and Ohya
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>>186483067
I have 98, do you want a screenshot?
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>>186482996
Munehisa and Shinya.
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>>186482920
I didnt mean it like that, I waa genuinely asking. I can understand you mistaking me for one of thosr derailers but I wont respond to those shitposters anymore
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>>186482996
I buy takeout all the time and I'm not happy
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>>186482996
Mishima and get smoked kid.
I feel like they'd probably get along pretty well.
If we're including party members, Futaba and Yusuke.
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>>186483150
Sounds like you forgot a step.
Treat yourself, senpai!
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>>186482996
Sojiro and Iwai
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>>186483158
Oh, anon, nobody gets along with Mishima. They meet if you take Mishima on a Sunday trip I believe
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Makoto handjobs
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>>186483212
I just want him to be happy
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>>186483230
FIST OF JUSTICE
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>>186483230
No thanks, Idk where her hands have been.
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>>186483135
No, that's fine.
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>>186483283
Looks like the whole of Shibuya is waiting for a turn
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[obligatory image of haru hanging herself accompanied by some reference to methemphetamines intended to be funny but actually just repeating a forced meme]
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>fighting shadow kamoshida
>regenerates faster than I can damage him
>out of MP
>reload
>one shots me with the volleyball attack
>reload
>send Ann to steal the crown to keep her away from attacks
>reload
I checked online in desparation and people said i had to have like 5 different personas and be ten levels higher than I was. How do these fucking autists get so strong when you have to sneak by enemies undetected and avoid battle because you're A THIEF?
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Nanako-chan, I'm so sorry! please don't kill me! I'll pay you back next week!
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>>186483464
Haru doesn't deserve this suffering.
I will always laugh.
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>>186483584
Woah
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>>186483584
this meme has overstayed its welcome
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>>186483464
But it is funny, especially when he does dialogue between the characters.
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>>186483693
it really isn't
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You know that ain't free, right, shiho?
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>>186482303
>>186483693
Is anybody taking bets on how long it's going to take Yufag to join the squad?
My money's on two weeks.
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>>186483786
I disagree.
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>>186483790
Y-you want me to pay you to rape me?
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>>186481979
>Chih
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>>186483648
I'll take it to /v/, I bet they'll appreciate it...
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>>186482432
but they won't
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Nanako, bring me my pipe. I got a surprise for you!
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Name that tune: Persona 3
Ba Da Ba Da Da Da
Ba Da Da Da Ba Dada Daaa
Badabadada dadada
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>>186484081
w-what are you doing to Nanako?
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>>186484117
Cypress Hill hits from the bong
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OTP
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I love my waifu... Not being able to have her, or at least someone like her, makes me feel empty inside. I'm so alone.
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>>186484340
Calm down, chihibro
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What if youngkoto was geiger countered
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>Max out Mishima's Confidant
>One of the characters ask if he's my friend
>Can't say yes, only evasive answers
What the fuck game? You think I spent time with him out of pity?
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>>186484384
I'm not that far gone. Not yet anyway...
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>>186483150
You forgot to get a maid silly.
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>>186484421
No. You spent time with him for his confidant abilities, and nothing more.
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>>186484469
I already have a loving grandmother
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>>186484469
Joker looks ill and Kawakami's tits look saggy as hell
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>>186484507
That isn't true.
His confidant ranked up really quickly.
That's why.
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She's mine /pg/
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>>186484583
She looks good for her age, which is like 30-40
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Was there any explanation as to why Shinji's Persona goes berserk when no one else besides Strega's do?
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>>186484421
Mishima bullying needs to stop
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>>186484810
I would guess it's most likely as his will wasn't perfectly solidified given that he pretty much wanted to be with Akihiko which is reflected in how his Persona is Castor.
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>>186484876
no
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FeMC is a slut!
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>>186484810
Shinji's persona
Formerly Chuck's
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>>186482913
Lavenza
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>>186485089
Stop spreading lies! She is cute and pure!
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My wife is cuter as a loli
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>>186483803
please do not call him a Yufag. He's seems to be that disgusting Chadfag.
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>>186485539
Naturally
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>tfw love most of the confidants but only really like Haru and Yusuke
What went wrong?
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>>186485513
Don't deny the truth.
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P4 is still the best game
sure the plot is pretty bad and the themes have 0 integrity but the cast is just so fucking charming
none of the other games can compare, especially not that shitheap P5. It's like Atlus forgot how to have fun and made a game about a bunch of real problems no one wants to play a game about
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>>186485607
your taste
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>>186485683
Quite honestly the only good thing P4 still does better than any other Persona game is the character interactions, but that's mainly because of how many events there are of them just fucking around while the main plot is ignored.
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>>186485874
this tbqh
everyone in this thread is probably too old to prefer anime memes devoted to making you laugh every 10 seconds, but that doesn't stop children remaining children until well into their twenties now so it's ultimately a hollow sentiment
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Who amongst Maiko, Nanako and Futaba would win in a fight?
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What happens when you fuse with your own shadow?
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>>186486091
Futaba has the advantage physically but even setting that aside Nanako just would refuse to fight and Maiko would go down after being bullied for 10 seconds so she would win regardless
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>>186486091
Lolikoto
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>>186486091
me
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>>186485607
Nearly every confidant had a great storyline. Atlus hit is out of the park with characters like Sojiro, Kawakami and Tora.
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Haru!
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>>186485513
anon she a slut
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>>186486219
all worse than their p4 counterparts by a mile especially Sojiro who was just a discount Dojima from the second he appeared
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Why did Maiko make her parents get a divorce?
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>>186485683
>P4 is still the best game
>sure the plot is pretty bad and the themes have 0 integrity

And for some people, those two are contradictory.
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>>186485683
>and the themes have 0 integrity
Stopped reading there.
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>>186486292
>All-Good Tora
>Worse than Forehead and Pikachu

Fucking horseshit and you know it.
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>>186486292
I disagree.
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>>186486292
ha
sorry anon but p4 is finished especially here
chadposting backfiring is what ultimately killed it
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How did All Good Tora find out Joker is a PT if all Joker did was talk to him 10 times?
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>>186485665
>>186486284
She is not!
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>>186486819
Profiling.
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>>186486252
I love her
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>>186486820
Koromaru is so adorable
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Just started playing, how do I read the fucking book I borrowed from the library? I try to read them in the Cafe and I can only study. I try to read them in the school and again I can only study.

HOW THE FUCK DO I READ A BOOK?
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>>186486819
I think he just assumes it and you end up not denying it
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>>186486649
Fucking retards who unironically say "Chad" didn't kill anything but their own dignity.
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>>186487127
You have to kill Makoto first to free up her seat
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>>186487127
Google it faggot
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>>186487127
Go to the library
Go to Leblanc's counter at night
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>>186487127
stool at leblanc near the phone after they tell you about it
table makoto is sitting at in the library after she dies
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>>186487127
>I try to read them in the Cafe and I can only study.

Read on the counter, you stupid shitter.
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>>186487183
I'm not seating in the same chair that slut uses.
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>spoonfeeding retards
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>>186487408
What else is there to do?
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>>186487525
talk about groo
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>>186480537
*BZZZZZZZZ*
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Obligatory Makoto post
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>>186485924
>but that's mainly because of how many events there are of them just fucking around while the main plot is ignored
I'm still trying to figure out the point of P4's school festival, and the night at the inn afterwards.
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>>186488127
"charm", apparently
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>>186486819
Tora's good at reading and understanding people, and some of Joker's responses indicate a philosophy that just happens to strongly align with what he perceives the PT to be about.

>>186487127
Book shelf on the counter, or wait for plot to happen so Diligent Looking Student stops hogging the designated 'reading' seat. Why you can't just read at the study desk in the library, or the diner, or anywhere else where there's a seat, is beyond me.
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I miss P5, /pg/
playing ng+ doesn't cut it because you know what would happened afterwards, so im not into ng+ that much. and theres not any news about new content or story dlc
how to heal this hole in my heart?
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>>186488729
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>>186486975
Me, too!
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>>186488804
pls stop me anon
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Don't drive your cat at 3am.
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>>186489014
No
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>>186488918
Man, I'm gonna be bummed if Atlus makes Chie and Yukiko canon, for whatever reason.
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>>186489114
If anything, Chie and Akihiko are more likely to be canon
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>>186488918
>Only one Chie in this shot
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>>186489191
You know what, as a Mitsurufag, I would be fine with that.
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If I summon all the DLC personas right at the start of the game, will I completely break the game? Should I just not use them on my first playthrough?
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>>186489241
What does being a Mitsurufag have to do with anything?
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>>186489281
It means Akihiko and MITSURU won't be canon.
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>>186489334
Why did you think they would be?
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>>186489114
You would also be bummed if Atlus were to make their deaths canon. But neither is going to happen.
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>>186489386
Touche.
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>>186488941
Haru is a sweetheart!
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>>186489261
Yes
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>>186489261
Pretty much. Outside of needing Messiah for female 'resist magic' armor, you can break the game well enough without any of the DLC.
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Good morning, /pg/

Has Makoto disavowed Satan's endorsement yet?
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>>186489607
Why would she? Satan seems like a cool guy.
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>>186488918
Man the nips are ugly as fuck
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>>186489956
Everyone is.
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>>186485683
>>186485924
>>186488127
>the themes have 0 integrity but the cast is just so fucking charming
you know what, over the years I came to hate P4fags much more than antiP4fags. At least when people hate P4, it often comes down to tastes; designs, overal atmosphere, finding certain characters annoying, seeing waste dpotential in certain things, there is nothing wrong with any of that. But P4fags are legitimately fucking retarded.
Refer to second to last screenshot. Relationships between characters was an integral part of the theme. People aren't islands, your relationship with other people is what changes you and the way you see the world around you. Almost every Shadow was influenced by how people might see the character the shadow came from. Pretty much every S.Link was about how people around you influence your actions, personality and the way you view the world. The main plot was about as ignored as it was in P3. The reason why people argue that "x was supposed to be killer but they changed it right before the game came out" is because it really could've been anyone if they did not receive any help and were left alone with their issues. You need other people to reach out to the truth because without them you will be limited by your narrow and incorrect perception of how the situation actually looks like. What was the point of school festival and the sleepover? Few months earlier none of the characters would even think about doing anything like that. Small thing but without the people around them those events would have never happened. Almost as if interactions with other people is what actually shapes your whole fucking life. PQ literally spells this all out, which is why you even have IT influence SEES to try to become better friends. "Muh bonds" is your fucking theme.
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>>186489542
>not even disguising it's a grown woman playing Nanako
Disgusting
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>>186489964
I'm not.
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>>186490004
Give me a half of a word summary. I ain't reading that.
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>>186487647
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>>186489542
whos that supposed to be? Nanako? she looks like a middle aged man
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>>186490092
Especially you, uggo

>>186490121
No, this is supposed to be Nanako
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>>186490221
What's your picture from?
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>>186490290
Nanako's piano recital. Or some Twitter cosplay.
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>>186490097
P4 is fucking shit! :^)
Happy now?
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>>186490354
Ah it looked like an amazing cosplay but I was holding out hope for an Arsene figure
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>>186490393
That was 7 words too many
You're not very good at this
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no bully
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>>186490705
70 votes
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>>186490705
Hello, brah!
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If P5 ever gets a femc route, should you be able to date Shinya?
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>>186490883
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>>186486390
She's an awful child, isn't she
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>>186490883
Yes, but only because the FemJoker would be 9 years old
>>
Reminder to go fuck yourselves
>>
L-lookin' cool Joker!
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>>186491396
S-sex with anon!
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>>186491396
Only if I can be Futaba
Sex with Futaba
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>>186491527
i am futaba
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>>186491597
Sex with Yu!
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This
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What was the best palace?
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>>186491840
futaba
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>>186491840
Casino obviously
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>>186491840
obviously not the casino
>>
Sex with Ryuji's mom !
Making Ryuji call me dad !
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>>186491940
>>186492067
Whatever happened to Sae's palace? Did she just have a cognition change on her own?
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>>186492154
like Goro and Yuki, yeah
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Does Maya know what an orgasm is?
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>>186492251
No one in Persona has ever had sex without one of them dying.
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>>186492338
truth hurts isn't it
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Just simple, hot sex with Goro while leaving marks all over his body !
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>>186492746
The politics of homosex are anything but simple.
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>>186492917
did you know? gay sex is the only way orphaned children can get an apartment in Japan. god, Goro is such a tragic character!
>>
Reminder Goro is a victim too
>>
Don't ask how I'm ready, but I'm ready.
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>>186493090
orphaned and bastard, remember
there are multiple orphans in the series, but they all had it better and went to good orphanages while Goro went to the worst one in the entire world and he was marked so everyone could tell he's a bastard child from miles away
man, no one had it as bad as Goro. No wonder he killed people, it's only natural.
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>>186493368
How are you ready?
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>put Ann into swimsuit
>she isn't bothered at all, no embarrassed and reluctant dialog like there was in P3 and P4 when you put your girls into the high-cut armor
I mean, come on Fatlus. That was really cute, why would they cut it out?

Also why do I have x9 of all those DLC equipment? Are there really 9 possible party members in this game?
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>>186493373
Man remember all those people Yusuke killed?
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>>186493358
Victim of not being a student at Shujin, yes.
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NOT AGAIN!!!
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>>186493440
DON'T ASK!
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>>186493457
Please look forward to Crimson !
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>>186493373
yeah if you read between the lines it's actually implied that Nyarlathotep ran the orphanage he was sent to and he got repeatedly raped
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>>186493457
Adachi is the Raincoat killer.
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>>186493457
Because the PT changing in and out of their costumes is a specific mechanic of Palaces and the Metaverse in general, I figured the outfits were 'non-canon', and only exist in the player's cognition.

And yes, 9 if you count EVERYONE.
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>>186492251
She doesnt, although she's experienced it on accident a few times.
Ulala has to repeatedly stop her from losing her track of mind to rub one out through her pants.
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ONE
TWO
THREE
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>>186493580
Weird I have peeked into some Persona threads on /v/ and the only party members I have seen were the protag, the cat, the blonde dude, Ann, Makoto and the 5head girl.

I guess I will figure out the other 3 as I go.
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>>186493876
>Breasts straining against tight clothes

Stop. I already fapped this morning, I have shit to do.
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>>186493992
What's that, more lewd 123?
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>>186493943
I mean you could always look at the game's box
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>>186493943
All of the playable characters are on the front cover.
The navigator character has equipment slots, so they have costumes too.
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>>186493358
a victim of bad writing, yes
>>
>Whip out my dick
>Hifumi: "That's precious"
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>>186494396
>>
Does anyone else just absolutely hate P5 and how super popular it is everywhere besides neogaf? I never thought I'd see the day when they'd get a clue but here we are.
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>>186494674
that's your problem
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>>186494674
>neogaf
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>>186494674
What do you dislike about it? Do you dislike specific things about 5 relative to other Persona games, or just the franchise in general?
>>
nah
>>
>>186494674
>Does anyone else just absolutely hate P5 and how super popular it is everywhere
Sasuga, contrarian
>>
The anime cutscenes in P5 have some horrendous quality, like couldn't Atlus throw in a few more bucks to have a respectable studio design them?
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>>186494842
Anon, do you remember the Persona 3 anime cutscenes?
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>>186494842
What's really jarring is that the rendered cutscenes have way better facial expressions than the animated ones.
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>>186494934
we try to forget
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>>186494842
I'm more partial to the in-engine cutscenes.

I would have loved to have seen more of these.
>>
Phantom is from Sumaru City!
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>>186494773
It's popular.
>>
L-lookin' cool Joker!
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>>186494674
why do you care about someone hating your precious taiwanese games, anon
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>>186495219
>>
Where the hell does Mona go to during lessons when he needs to poop or take a piss? Or is he magical cat who doesn't need to do that?
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>>186495382
>"Hey Joker, bring me to the bathroom, will you?"
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>>186495382
I assume Morgana's sentience (relative to normal cats) makes him smart enough to go between classes, like humans are supposed to.
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>>186495382
Mishima's desk
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>>186495212
Fuckin' Optimates, always hating the Populares.

>>186495274
Goddamnit, that Soy Aojiru certainly delivers.
>>
>>186495092
I agree, the game should have used those types of cutscenes a lot more often than just pre-boss fight. It might just be an issue of disc space, but it feels like P5 cut a lot of corners.
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>>186495382
Morgana shits in Kawakami's coffee!
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>>186494773
>story is an afterthought
>music is boring, repetitive, vocalist is horrendous
>cast is awful and lifeless, aren't anything like what anime characters should be
>side characters all follow an identical formula that gets tired 2 social links in and have cookie cutter personalities and stories without an ounce of thought or creativity put into any of them unlike those in P4
>dungeons are bigger and with fixed layouts so they go on for days and drag like crazy
>they got rid of the unique Shadow designs and just lazily made the enemies into your Personas
>start of the game is too tough for socializing and all the available options
>you spend too much time away from the school and you might as well not be a highschool student
>no fun social events which ruins the game completely just by itself, proof Atlus has no idea why people like Persona
>all the bosses are way too easy on Normal
>negotiations take forever and they are just as bad as they are in the other games
>no coherent themes, social values are inconsistent throughout the game
>view on sexual harassment is hilariously contradictory
>not even the setting is any good, it's just a stock city with some pretty floor reflections in places
Just on every level it's a mess. An absolute mess that people enjoy for pretty much no reason other than a cheap imitation of waifu culture that normals get invested in easily.
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>>186495724
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>>186495658
hands off my cat
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>>186495724
>aren't anything like what anime characters should be
you reminds me of Dragonage2ftw
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>>186495724
You sound really mad you didn't get P4-2
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>>186495092
It's weird, since the speaking scenes were genuinely well done. I mean, the lip synch wasn't terribly good, but it wasn't even in the anime scenes either. Like, I'd limit the anime scenes to probably the REALLY important/memorable shit. For instance, the one with Futaba at the beach? Gone.
Kamoshida and Futaba's Palace collapsing? Gone. Akechi shooting Joker in the face? Gone.

Basically, leave the opening to the game (where you see the Phantom Thieves asaulting Sae's Palace in the prologue), Joker awakening to Arsene, and the epilogue. I'm undecided on if Shido's Calling Card should stay, because as epic as it was, the actual shot of the Phantom Thieves, and Morgana specifically, raises a lot of questions that I bet made sense in the original draft where Morgana looked the same in the Metaverse and the real world.
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>>186496049
I have noticed that a lot of P5 criticism (not just on 4chan) basically amounts to 'it's not JUST like P4'.

>>186496068
Did we ever figure out HOW Futaba made that video? Did they record it in the Metaverse, or did she just make a convincing-enough fake video with real voice acting?
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Post favorite social link moments
>posing like Jesus Christ with Yusuke
>Makoto slapping that stupid bitch
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>>186495724
>Implying Joker not caring about missing a month of school is a bad thing

Add character and shows how he's different from the other protags
Also:
>>Thinking Joker cares about missing class in a school that hates him
>Blah blah blah S.links aren't like P4
Only one that kind of drags is Shinya but what you get out of it makes up for it
>Dungeons are actually dungeons this time
How is that a complaint?
>We're not fighting spooky tables anymore this sucks
P4fag detected
>No fun social events
It's almost like the point of those events was built into the plot and not like P4 where they're breaks from the plot
>Sexual harassment is contradictory
For someone who wishes it was more anime like (fuck off week) you should know that you can legally date a 16 year old in Japan. Teacher's aren't allowed because of a conflict of interest which is what sets the Temperance S.link apart from the rapist
>No coherent themes
Either you didn't play the game or you're retarded
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>>186496336
>looking at Tae thigh
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>>186495724
>Cast isn't anything like anime characters should be

Lmao fuck off hahahaha go play P3 or P1&2. P4 is completely different from the rest of the series
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>>186496245
Like I said, I'm convinced that she just did it normally, and Atlus changed their mind about Morgana too late. That's not the only anime scene that makes me think they changed their minds like that. Every one Yusuke appears him makes him come across like the "aloof art douchebag" he APPEARS to be before he joins (to the point where he doesn't seem to want to be around his friends on New Years), basically EVERYTHING about Akechi shooting Joker with a smile on his face (which fucking ruins their attempts to make him sympathetic of ambiguous, as far as I'm concerned), and that's just off the top of my head.
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>>186496245
Yusuke making them costumes is the only thing I can think of
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>>186496669
painting and sewing are totally different things
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>>186496245
While I like P4 it's fans (along with P3P fans) really are the cancer of the franchise
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>>186496764
All fans are cancer.
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>>186496749
I guess futaba helped out?
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>>186496548
You know, everything you say makes sense. I also felt that Yusuke just doesn't give a shit about the PT during the ending cutscenes, but there's nothing indicating he's drifting away from the group in any dialogue around that time.

>>186496669
Wasn't Yusuke also surprised by Futaba's plan? Even with lighting and video editing to mask the imperfections, there's no way he (or even the whole group) could prepare seven costumes in only a few hours.
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>>186496548
Akechi's smile make him unsaveable, but not irredeemable. In the end he was a victim
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>>186496749
For instance, KANJI is never even implied to be able to paint, but he's a sewing master.

Fuck, now I kind of want the inevitable Persona 5 Arena to end with Kanji making real-world versions of the Phantom Thief outfits.
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>>186496916
fuck off, groojo!
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>>186496541
They're all anime as fuck. I'm not really sure where people got the idea that anime = slice of life (or that 3/5 weren't also full of slice of life stuff)

People are dumb.

>>186496749
>>186496875
Kanji helped. Ask Hashino himself. It's the setup for Sewing Kanji spin-off.
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>Game has pretty good romances that blend well with the story for once
>Anime will skip romance scenes entirely because they won't want waifu fags getting mad at their show for making one of them canon
Such a waste
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>>186496916
Anon, it's REALLY hard to buy the whole "No, he really DOES like Joker" crock, when the guy literally shot you in the head, WHILE TAUNTING YOU, with the biggest shit-eating grin I've ever seen. Like, I'd believe it if you told me he was sporting a little bit of a chub during that scene.
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>>186496879
I always thought they did something like how SEES could use certain things in the Dark hour or Maybe they dragged their costumes out of the metaverse?
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>>186497045
>instead the yaoi pandering will be raised up to max levels
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Yu ass
Reach out to the truth
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>>186497045
>Game has pretty good romances that blend well with the story for once
Haha, no
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>>186497105
>I always thought they did something like how SEES could use certain things in the Dark hour

According to a supplementary book, the functional electronics all have plumes of dust in them, and THAT'S what makes them functional.
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>>186497045
I'm hoping for Harem route honestly
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>>186496068
The problem is, games are created (or at least games like P5) through iterative design. Atlus had a draft of what P5's story was and sent those cutscenes off to be animated and I feel like they misjudged the amount of time it was going to take to finish the game and what they were going to end up.

That's why you have awkward in-game bits that try to explain away some of the inconsistencies between the game and the animations. (That whole scene with Joker's glasses is a great example.)

I think your idea of just leaving animated cutscenes to things like the intro would solve a lot of problems. They'd be able to still iterate on the game and test what works, what doesn't and keep almost everything in-house so they aren't waiting on a third-party.
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>>186497045
>Game has pretty good romances that blend well with the story for once
???
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>>186497105
SEES could use certain things during Dark Hour because they ran on plumes of dusk. PTs costumes aren't physical in the first place.
>>186497142
ah yes, the famous pose of truth from the anime
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>Not maining Futaba in P5 Arena
Enjoy not playing in S+ tier
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>>186497187
Isn't the book barely canon since everything afterwards contradicts it?>>186497259
Ah I was basing the costume thing off of how they got a copy of Kamoshida's medal
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>>186497229
>I feel like they misjudged the amount of time it was going to take to finish the game and what they were going to end up.
To be fair I doubt anyone could have predicted all the shit that was going to happen to Atlus between P4 and P5.

But I also get the feeling that those cutscenes were done during an early build when some things may have been very different.
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>>186497229
I'm assuming the in-engine cutscenes are easier to edit, that's why all the anime scenes are at the beginning or the end. As I understand it, writingwise those tend to be the most concrete ideas, with the middle being more fluid.
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>>186497383
They must have been completed after Atlus decided P5 won't have you go around the world.


I think a bigger question is of Public Safety is still messing with the Shadow Ops and what event were they dealing with during P4
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>>186496336
> Every comedy gold Yusuke moment
> Makoto slapping Eiko
> Ann asking you to insult her, also getting to see Shiho again
> Pretty much all of Tora's Confidant

>>186496916
We also don't really know why he smiled at that time. I get the feeling if Goro was really happy about what he was doing he should be rubbing it in Joker's face, and for all we know he was smiling because he thought maybe he wasn't fucking doomed given that Shido obviously did not have good plans in store for him if he failed.

>>186497064
See, the issue here is that someone who was as much of an abuse victim as Goro may well have compartmentalized his emotions as he's far too methodical in that scene for what I assume was his first kill in the real world and he's really sad about something when you meet him at Leblanc after Okumura's death but you never find out what he was thinking about.
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>>186497205
I'm not.
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>>186497526
That was one of the early ideas, but clearly they were made after they set in place the PT story and setting up the main story. It's even highly probable the scenes were animated before they even knew what system the game would be on. Handhelds were an option.
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>>186497229
>That's why you have awkward in-game bits that try to explain away some of the inconsistencies between the game and the animations
Like that random-ass school assembly during summer break, to explain why the PT are wearing uniforms when they drive to Futaba's Palace?
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>>186497291
I main Makoto scrub
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>>186497610
The Valentine's day event is too good not to be in the anime
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>>186497305
You'd have to point at what from the book is contradicted, from memory there wasn't any.
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>>186496336
Any adorable Futaba moment
Yusuke's PASSION OF THE CHRIST
Teasing Mishima
Standing up to Yakuza with Iwai
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>>186497715
I just remember some stuff from the answer and arena contradicting it
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>>186497556
>>186497064
IMO Goro smiling was thinking that he had outsmarted someone who deep down he respected and admired but couldn't bring himself to admit it. By "winning" over Joker he was crushing that self-doubt which is what he thought he wanted for himself, hence the smile.
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>>186497526
I said this before, and I'll say it again, there wasn't any major Shadow activity until Christmas Eve. Yeah, the Phantom Thieves and the Psychotic Breakdowns/Mental Shutdowns are a thing, but Shido's conspiracy is doing a decent job of looking like they're trying to do shit about it, and they likely have contacts with influence to keep them out of the way.
As for where they were come the reality-Mementos fusion? Seriously, how long did that last in-universe? One hour? Two? Fuck, they were probably on the way, and the Phantom Thieves took care of shit before they could make it.
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>>186497045
I can't wait for the /a/ threads
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why kanji is so based, anon?

>>186496336
>Ann rank 9 romance route
her blushing face gives me life
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>>186497810
If it was just a light but cocky smirk, it'd be one thing. But seriously, ear to fucking ear, WHILE TAUNTING HIM? No, they totally changed their mind on trying to make him redeemable at some point.
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>>186497909
Kanji was gay
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>>186497849
Oh for the SO's not being in 5 I just assumed that was because the event was short and because Public Safety was probably still trying to shut them down.

Arena mentions they knew about what was going on in Inaba but where busy with other Shadow related activity so I want to know what they were dealing with
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>>186497909
He doesn't afraid of anything.
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>>186497045
Anon, literally WHAT romance blended into the story well?
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>>186497909
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>>186497810
Which is possible as we know Goro did want to prove he could outsmart Shido too but he doesn't deny that he did in some way wanted to be loved.

Also, considering his life is basically a tightrope walk and Joker was effectively taunting him with the promise of a better life he couldn't have (Hence why he says he wished they'd met before he got into this mess) I'd imagine it might have been relieving in a way for him to simplify his options.
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>>186495724
>stock city
>locations are designed to look just like the places in reality
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>>186497949
He was taunting Joker not for Joker but for his own benefit, to affirm to himself that he was the better one.
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>>186496336
>Morgana's return home
>Makoto's bitch slap from hell and rank 7
>Haru's rank 9 friendship route
>Yusuke's passion of christ and boat scene
>Ryuji talking the beating for the sake of the team
>Sojiro's confession in church
>Futaba's adventure in akihabara?
>Tae's realization that the girl is alive
>Kawakami's hospital scene
>Mishima standing up to the bullies
>The finale to Tora's confidant
Off the top of my head, those were the ones that really stood out to me and were memorable
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>>186497968
>Liking a trap, a boy that looks like a girl, is gay
>Liking a reverse trap, a girl that looks like a boy, is also gay
Really summons your Persona.
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>>186498197
things like that are lost on animefags anon
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>>186495724
>Why does Shibuya look like Shibuya
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>>186498221
>Kawakami's hospital scene
best thing in all of persona tbqh
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>>186498209
Yep. Another thing that makes him a lot more complicated is that he actually does put himself down a lot and when he attempts to strut out what he did it feels desperate as if he has to show something to be worth anything, understandable when failure to meet expectations in his case means death.
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>>186498410
We know, Kawakamifags never shut up about it
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>>186498489
what did atlus give your waifu anon
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>>186498242
The guy in question is retarded, but what the fuck is an animefag?
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>>186498527
A spot in the party.
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>>186498410
>best thing in all of Persona
>not seeing Maya quiver in absolute terror and despair as a building burns down around her
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>>186498410
So this is the power of waifufags
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>>186498593
oh, so you're just being spiteful for the sake of it. is your waifu makoto by any chance?
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>>186498806
You wish, Anon.
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>>186498410
I liked it, but I'm not a kawakamifag. The scene just made me a little bit more sympathetic for her, but it also made me really angry at those two parents.
Which is why I spent an hour confusing them in mementos for like 4 million yen
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>>186498087
All companion girls basically.
Haru's and Makoto are pretty ok. Ann is somewhat cute, and Futaba may be a fetish romances but they all kinda makes more of an important deal for what's left to look up to for Joker's life after the events of the game before the final arc. Also, I'm with anon there, it'll be a shame they not having the "last night together on Christmas" scene because of waifufags. That scene makes Joker going to Juvie feel more important.
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>>186498643
Neither P2 was good enough to have the best of anything. It's like all the negative things about Chrono Cross with pretty much none of the positives + some okay characters in the first game that got shafted in the second
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>>186498916
Of all the Mementos targets, the Takases were probably the biggest scumbags of all. Close contenders are Futaba's uncle, and Kana's parents.
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>>186498916
>Which is why I spent an hour confusing them in mementos for like 4 million yen
question, when you bully them for money, do you have to kill Titania first and only confuse Oberon? I never managed to land even a single coonfuse on her
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>>186499072
IIRC, if you beat Yaldy without a GF, you spend Christmas Eve having a family dinner with Sojiro and Futaba.
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>>186499232
You don't have to, but killing Titania first can certainly make it easier.
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>>186498528
Weebs anon
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>>186499104
This
I'm hoping PQ2 is P5/P2 because it'll give P2 a chance to do the one thing it was good at again
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Who in their right mind would waifu a non-party member
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>>186499280
I kind of regret having a GF if that's true, because these two are so much more important than someone I ended up maxing the next rank.
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>>186499280
Having a gf in Persona 5 really is the worst thing you can do
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>>186499547
https://youtu.be/DDNNp84ss6M
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>>186499719
>They didn't just cop out and have Ryuji come over and say "duuuuuuuude chicks amitrite."
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>>186499719
>Anyway, let's us loners have a bit of fun, huh?
>let us us loners
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>>186499719
God Futaba is so annoying
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>>186499719
Huh, so if Joker is single, you spend Christmas with the Sakuras?
I figured you just went with Sae immediately.
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>>186499891
no u
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>>186499891
Of course she's going to be attention-seeking when you denied her the dick in favor of no one.
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>>186500050
nothing against her character, but man her voice is really irritating to me.
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>>186499719
> TFW can't get real bonding with family because I picked a GF
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>>186496336
>Jesus Yusuke Jojo's reference?
>Jokah dragging makoto to a ghae bar
>Ann and Mika's rivalry
>Ryuji forcing Jokah to eat meat
>Haru's shit coffee
>Morgana's return home
>Sojiro's church scene
>Futaba wants a pat to the head
>Tae getting back to bussiness after finding out the girl is alive
>The entire Good guy Tora Confidant, he's such a fucking bro
>Kawakami rank friendship10
>Mishima helping that guy in the street
>Akechi rank 10 because he fucking dies

No Confidant but
>beating the twins on mementos I can't choose between you two


on P4
>Rise trying to start the fire alarm on school
>Kanji's ghae shenanigans
>Training with Chie
>Drunk Dojima (don't remember if is an actual SL event tho)
>Old lady confusing adachi with his son

P3
>Star arcana bro is pretty neat guy
>Teasing Chihiro
>Yukari rank 10 gigigity
>Taking Mitsuru to eat burgers like a pleb
>Eating Fuuka's poison food
>telling maya the truth at school
>Getting some dirty tricks from President Tanaka
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>Futaba has a very useful ability that swaps out dead party members for live ones
>No one has ever seen it trigger because her next rank prevents death to the entire field
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>>186500303
I have.
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>Hanging with Ohya
>Maybe I should give her a gift
>Well surely a photographer would like a digital camera
>nope awkward
>Well she uses lipstick, let's go with that
>Nope awkward
>Fuck it I dunno, she's kinda trashy, how about pendant
>Nope awkward
>Face beautifier?
>Nope awkward
>fuck it, no one likes Rakugo
>3 notes

fuck this dumb bitch.
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>>186499515
So, everyone here.
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>Teasing Chie
>Teasing Chihiro
>Teasing Haru
pick one Easy mode: no need to romance them
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>>186499719
>hey, gaylord
give me some chuckle
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>>186500725
Not me
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>>186500725
not me
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>>186500782
>>186500816

You choose the wrong franchise normies
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>>186500725
not me
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>>186480867
There's a discord?
can I get an invite?
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>>186500890
Probably, it's too late to turn back though
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>>186500965
just avatarfag and you'll get one eventually
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>>186500965
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>>186495724
>music is boring, repetitive, vocalist is horrendous

at this point this isn't even a bait. go outside, take a walk and reevaluate your life because as it is you will hate litrelly anything anyone will like and that's just sad
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I finished it today and I was surprisde that my favourite Slink wasn't a waifu but a loser politician. His voice acting was very good. Actually I think I enjoyed every single character, only ones I didn't manage to max were Devil-Bug lady, Snake and Haru because I lacked the time. I guess in a few days I'll go to NG+ and try to platinum it but now I feel spend.

This is a really good video game and I enjoyed it a lot
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Which persona girl would be the most likely to enjoy femdom?
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>>186501804
who did you romance
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>>186500735
Tease Chie!
Tell her you're spending Valentine's day with someone else!
Pat her on the head and tell her "maybe next year" !
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>>186501868
I want Haru to dom me!
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>>186501885
All of them at once obviously
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>>186501885
I couldn't resist her depression and messy hair
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>>186501804
Good guy tora is the best confidant. Guncle Iwai is pretty cool too, followed by Yusuke autistic shenanigans. Too many Good confidants in this game, mostly because not all of them felt forced or made you look like a sociopath like in the previous games.
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Haru how do you grow plants outside in the winter?
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>>186501868
Hardcore or lite?
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>>186501885
Makoto
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>>186502097
some plants grow in winter, like potatoes and spinach
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>>186502115
Hardcore obviously
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>>186502358
Oh, well then Tae probably
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>>186502023
Excellent choice.
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>>186500246
>Kawakami rank friendship10
Kill yourself for friend zone
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ded
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Let it die /pg/
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>>186503653
WAKE UP
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I am Medjed
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Shiho deserves better
Shiho will always be number one in my eyes!
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>>186503786
The hacker known as 2chan?
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>>186503864
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>>186503718
GET UP
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>>186503892
The Hacker Formerly Known the Hacker Prince
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Why can't you fucks let this place die?
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>>186503841
Stop getting off to the idea of saving the poor little raped girl
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>>186501434
What gives you the right to decide what is bait and what isn't
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>>186503715
>>186504101
Fuck off retards
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>>186503718
>>186504069
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>>186501434
>makotofag doesn't understand people have opinions
go figure
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>>186504231
GET OUT THERE
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>>186504115
Hey fuck you, shiho is for caring and protecting
not for lewd you motherfucking degenerate.
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>>186504069
GET THE FUCK OUT THERE
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>>186504451
It's not me that's getting off to her, it's Shihofags
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>>186504231
not you neet
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>>186504528
I was just responding to the anon that made a comment yesterday saying that I was trying to pit in junk in a raped girl, that why I got upset. If you wasn't that anon that said that then my apologies. I'm not one of those shiho fags that wants to take advantage of her, I just want her to lay on my shoulders or hold hands with.
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Can Morgana understand Koromaru?
Would we end up in a situation in which Koro would talk to Morgana who would talk to Joker who would Sojiro in order to relay a single sentence?
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>>186504879
Koromaru is likely dead by the time P5 take place
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>>186504997
Yeah but Shinjiro talked to Naoto.
PQ2 will have time shenanigans.
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>>186504879
what if koro can talk, and the only thing keeping SEES from hearing him is their cognition, just like morgana
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>>186504231
>>186504352
>>186504464
RAISE YOUR VOICE GO TO BED NOW
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>>186504845
really? i want to protect her
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She's mine /pg/
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what would Hank Hill's Phantom Thief outfit be?
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>>186505779
Why would you want to steal hearts when you can just mow your own lawn?
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>>186505669
Yeah she really do deserve better. I changed from this picture to the current one, I want her to be happy.
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>>186505779
A natural gas salseman's uniform.
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>>186505779
MISSION START: Steal Thatherton's Heart
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>>186505971
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Does anybody care about the plot in persona games? More specifically the more "philosophical / deeper' elements of the story.

It always came across as really hamfisted.
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>>186506168
it's not subtle at all
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>>186506168
Yes, I do.
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>>186505779
since a PT outfit represents ones idea of rebellion, probably a salesman's suit and tie (to represent his focus on business ethics and how a dishonest salesman would be incredibly rebellious) or a teen punk's outfit (to represent his focus on traditional values and his parenting views)
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>>186505971
its okay anon, she was already happy changing school
that Ann's rank 9 lover route tho
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>>186506168
Why don't the eagles just fly Goro over mount doom and throw Joker's shadow into the Deathstar plans being sent over the radio?
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>>186506168
I do
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>>186504845
>>186505971
You don't know anything about her. Just that she's a rape victim and has experience in misleading rumours.
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>Creating a blood oath typically requires the letting of blood

Okay so maybe there's a bit of blood if you romance the girls, but where does the blood come from with the guys?
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>>186506168
The philosophy is really basic level stuff so not really. You're right in that it is pretty hamfisted, because they can't dedicate the time to doing it properly since they need as much cute stuff and camaraderie as possible.
They don't need to do deeper philosophy, anyway, it needs to stay simple so everyone understands it and feels good about themselves.
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>>186506338
I hope she made some friends at her new school, I hope in crimsom they give her a slink just to see whats she been up since then or at least acknowledge shiho more.
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>>186506839
Blood Brothers, Anon. You never did that as a kid?
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>>186506989
Even when I was 5 I knew that bleeding into someone else's wound is probably no good.
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>>186505779
He'd be dressed like a Wild West bandit.
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>>186505779
better question: what would his PT style persona be, and what kinds of skills would it get?
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>>186507102
Well the child's game aside, that IS a thing. It's related to Blood Oaths.
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Reminder that Fuuka will NOT be in Persona 3 Dancing Moonlight
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>>186506546
But clearly has a savage side as well, saying that ann painting sucks she clearly outspoken but don't mean it in a mean way. Yeah I don't know very much about her but that won't stop me for having shiho as my favorite characters. I tend to have a spot for them types of characters.
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>>186507420
Who?
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>>186507454
The kindness obsessed chick that was bullied into tartarus
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>>186507551
Doesn't ring any bells
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Baofu.
Think about it.
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>>186508094
hi dad
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>>186507442
You mean rape victims?
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Just got p5, about 4 hours in. Can I date ryuji, or does the game only allow het?
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>>186509104
only het
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>>186509104
you can't, now leave before you get spoiled
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>>186509104
makoto is the traitor
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>>186509150
Kinda lame but whatever. What a fucking bro. Him and morgana are kind of retarded though.
>>186509193
There's a lot of shady shit going down it seems. Tsundere shopkeeper dude who takes you in, he keeps being on the phone with some mystery dude. I think he's secretly mafia or some shit.
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>>186508889
Not just that, characters that's has either a dark past or went through a lot of horrible things. Some characters act out while others suppress it, it's make me want to know more about them type of characters. Maybe I'm weird??
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>>186509340
>Tsundere shopkeeper dude
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>>186509271
WitH the way the writing has been so far i'm sure it'll be obvious. Did we get the briefcase from the opening cutscene away safely?
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>>186509510
Yeah him

He's pretty great. "I-It's not like i'm c-concerned for your well being or anything! B-baka!"
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>>186509383
Assuming you're the same Shihofag, how is it then that you know they deserve better? How are they number 1?
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>>186509657
yeah, you'll like him. He's one of my favorite characters. But seriosuly, you should leave now and go back to the game. It's only a matter of time until someone actually spoils you.
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>>186508094
I would.
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>>186509834
Aight senpai, ciao then
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>>186506980
I can't imagine they will give shiho an slink. All the usual arcana has been used, and given her story largely connected to Ann's slink, she will be gone in Ann's rank 9.
But I agree on giving shiho more appearance. maybe they could slip it when you doing Ann's slink, like going to her rehab
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>>186490004
No, P4fags are just damaged and scraed of admitting they actually like it because then it turns into a shitfest vs. P3fags. That's why you seem them always parrot the same shit P3fags do.
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Let's settle this once and for all

http://www.strawpoll.me/13735037
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>>186510689
what the hell is rance?
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Makoto Nijima is a gay
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>>186510973
the game where you conquest countries and rape girls
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>>186511093
So is Joker and Groo.
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>>186511201
that's only 3 of them
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Naocakes
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>>186511201
>>186511453
what? I looked it up, but it just looks like weeb trash
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>>186509884
im the traitor
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>>186511636
>implying Persona isn't weeb trash
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Happy Birthday Reiji. I hope you don't become a grandfather before 40.
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>>186509664
Same shihofag here, like I said I'm weird that way. I feel since shiho is the reason why the pt even formed in the first place she should be recognize more in some way like mitshima, that's the reason why I say She deserved better. Now the number 1 part she my waifu and I'm going give her a shout out like everyone else is with their waifu.
>>186510041
Yeah I agree, that would be interesting.
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>>186511993
Originally she was supposed to fulfill the role Mishima was, but test audiences didn't like it for whatever reason so he was quickly shoehorned into the role
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>>186512174
Holy crap I didn't know that. I wonder why? I hope you don't treat her like shit like mitshima with them smartass comments.
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>>186512174
Stop spreading rumors.
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>>186512395
you didn't know that because he pulled it out of his ass
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>>186512174
[citation needed]
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Stop it, you know people who waifu Persona characters let alone Shiho are dumb as shit
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>>186512817
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>>186512546
but if enough people believe it, it'll come true
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>>186512174
>shihofags are literally delusional
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>>186512817
ouch
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>>186512174
>>186512817
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>>186512174
Yeah sure and Yukiko was supppsed to be the killer and Natsuki was supposed to be a party member
fuck off
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>>186513145
Maybe if Takashi Kido becomes canon, you could pull that crap, but don't try pulling that Sumaru City shit.
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>>186513448
She was though.
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>>186482865
Goro's palace!
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>>186513575
show me where it says she was gonna be a party member
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>>186513747
Go buy the artbook in english then.
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>>186513895
so you don't even know yourself?
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Can't wait for PQ2
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>>186482338
I thought Joker pays for the gears.
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>>186514164
Same!
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I want Tae to cure my heartache!
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>>186515105
I want Tae to let /pg/ die
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>>186513528
If he's Takashi Kido, then he is from Sumaru City.
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>>186515176
fuck off Oyamada
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So apparently Persona games are now banned from my university, can they find out somehow if I keep my PS4 offline while I'm playing and use headphones? Don't want to get a reprimand on my record for this but abandoning the game halfway through would be too sad.
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>>186515583
Why the fuck would they ban Persona?
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>>186515105
Don't worry Sae, I'm sure she'll call you.
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>>186515583
how the fuck your uni ban a game franchise
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>>186515648
It "clashes with campus values" apparently. Not the first time they've pulled something like this, but the first time it has been for a game I actually cared about.
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>>186515583
how does that even work? Do you go to a catholic uni or something?
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>>186515648
no weebs allowed
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>>186506168
what's not to like in a story where satan headshots god to save christmas ?
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>>186515583
drop out if youre at a christian uni
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>>186515772
Was Ryuji right about the shitty effin adults this whole time?
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>>186515583
>>186515797
is it because Satanists like Makoto?
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>>186514582
heh. she won't be in the next one and my heart will be broken again
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>>186515772
How would they even track this?
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>>186515772
what values? where the fuck do you live? how the fuck can they track you playing something?
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>>186515583
Don't go to some crappy Christian Bible College
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Right, okay, beginner thief here. So I started the battle off with a lucky punch, and managed to grab this guy. After dealing with the initial excitement/dissapointment regarding how to use it, I'm left wondering which skils I want.

>the first four aren't happening
>the next two are good, but seem situational at best
>the last two are good, but I'm not sure which is the better choice

Any guidance on the best options for this stage of the game would be appreciated.
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This your Queen for tonight.
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Would Akechi suck my dick if I asked?
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>>186516895
you need all of them to trigger weaknesses
shadows wrak to psi and nuke aren't really common yet I think. You can rebuy those little shits in the compendium anyway.
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>>186517060
Ask him and tell us what happens.
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>>186517172
No shit, I can rebuy them? Well that makes this easier. Makouha and Maieha it is.
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Shiho should have been awarded to you as a free sex slave when you date Ann
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>>186517060
you have to pay shido first
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>>186516895
m8 you need at least one of every elemental skills on your MC
also you can turn the treasures into accessories and use them to reach the next step tier in an arcana, and in gallows for greatly enhanced exp
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>>186517218
He said 'No thanks, I'm already trying to rid my throat of the taste of semen from last night.'
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What does /pg/ think of Papaake?
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>>186517359
>Shiho should have been awarded to you as a cuddle buddy when you date Ann

Fix that for you
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>>186517672
canon
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>>186517394
>accessories

Go on
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>>186517294
Man Goro's fashion sense sucks.
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>>186517782
no thanks. im faithful to my waifu
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>>186517672
>Objectively
Makes more sense than any other Akechi ship besides Joker

>Personally
Delete that. Shido is not some degenerate who'd fuck his son when he can just grab some girl's pussy while drunk.

Akechi also isn't that desperate for his love that he'd ride his dick. Probably

Basically it assumes the absolute worst went down between them, which isn't implied through the story.
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Why are there so many shitty costumes in the game? Does Fatlus think I give a flying fuck about dressing my girls in a generic school outfit? And they charge money for this bullshit?

Why don't they take a look at DoA5 for example? If they gave the girls some actual good looking costumes rather than this ugly bullshit we have now I would actually be up for buying them. As it is all the DLC except the swimsuits are worthless though, and hilariously they or the only ones which are actually free.

Non shitty looking costumes when?
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>>186518364
Yeah, while Goro calls Shido the worst kind of adult I don't think he meant it in that way and it's shown that Shido keeps his distance away from him. Also man, give the kid a break already.
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>>186518301
Same here
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>>186518203
so does goro

shit taste for shit character
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>>186517060
Stupid fujo, you don't have a dick.
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>>186518867
Neck yourself.
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>>186517060
>>186519123
Neck yourself
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>>186519123
slit your wrists
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>>186519123
seething
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Lolikoto is so cute
i wanna be her big bro !!
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>>186495841
>my cat
>ring on the finger

Joker's new last name is Okumura confirmed.
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>>186519427
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Kirbykoto
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>>186519693
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I want to replay Persona 3 FES, does someone have a 100% save file for the undubbed iso linked in the OP so I can go to NG+ ?
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>>186519610
Yes because men often take their wives name, especially in Japan.
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Why can't I sleep with him?
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>>186520087
His futon's too small
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>>186520000
if the wife is more influencial/higher in social hierarchy and/or the husband will be joining her family instead of her joining his family, sure.
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>>186520000
You're shitting me right?
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>>186520087
Same reason I can't sleep with Yusuke or Ryuji. Atlus hates faggotry.
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>>186519986
use google
gamefaqs.com/ps2/937269-shin-megami-tensei-persona-3-fes/saves
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>>186520184
FeMC route was full of Yuri.
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>>186520242
Nips believe yuri is just a phase for girls and they grow out of their faggotry
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Post Makoto's butt.
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>>186520242
fag·got
ˈfaɡət/
noun
noun: faggot; plural noun: faggots; noun: fagot; plural noun: fagots

1.
North Americaninformaloffensive
a male homosexual.

It's always okay if it's girls. Boys loving boys is what they think is gross.
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>>186520203
Aren't they all incompatible with the undubbed version? That's why I was asking in the first place. I guess I will find out once the iso actually finished downloading.
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>>186520371
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>>186520131
This.
Okumura has no male heir, and Joker's skill can definitely turn the business around.
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>>186520379
Then what was Yosuke
and Kanji
and Kissing Teddie
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>>186520371
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>>186520379
>fagot
You called?
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>>186520410
undub uses the same saves as the regular version
it should be fine
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>>186520523
>Yosuke
Straight
>Kanji
Straight
>Teddie
Universally hated comic relief.

Great list.
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>>186520523
cut content
a fake out
Ted freaks out when you try to kiss him and runs away
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>>186520125
>>186520184
Dammit atlus
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>>186520613
>Yosuke, straight
>Jacks off in front of Teddie
>Kanji, straight
LOL
>Teddie
>Universally hated comic relief

I see this is going to be a waste of time.
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>>186520371
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>>186520790
>LOL
Go back to tumblr if you want to push the delusion that either Yosuke or Kanji are even remotely gay.
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>>186520790
you're just pretending to be retarded, right
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>>186520942
>>186520993
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>>186497045
Haru and Makoto look very intimate in this picture
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>>186520371
/r/ing that webm of Makoto walking in Kaneshiro's palace. You know the one
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Sex
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>>186520993
God PQ looks weird without the horrible pixels aliasing all over the place
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with Futaba !
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>>186518652
It's also been established Shido isn't the type to get his hands dirty and would rather make others do it for him. I'm sure this extends to his relationship with Akechi, who he keeps at a distant even after 2.5 years.

Even his manipulation of Akechi is verbally and emotionally distant. He gives Akechi just enough praise to make him happy and doubt his own morality and motives.

So sexual abuse would be pretty unlikely desu. Shido is more likely to get someone else to punish Akechi than do it himself.
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>>186521630
>When you were just fag bashing Kanji but really wanna get dicked down by Yu
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>>186521780
>tfw yosuke's fag bashing was supposed to be a reflection of how the player feels
>tfw atlus is so out of touch it thinks we're all just as awful as they are
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>>186521661
I like it, it looks really smooth. The webms anon posted the other day really make me want to replay it on an emulator even though I own a physical copy
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Why does everyone say that the akechi boss fight is hard?
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>>186522047
If the emulator had a frame doubler that could speed up all the fucking minutia and grinding that would be fantastic.
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>>186522052
No one says that. Unless you're hanging around filthy casuals. In that case, get new friends.
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Does Fem!Joker have a name like Kokoro does?
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>>186522052
no one says that
it's one of the reasons why people get so pissed when PTs say Akechi is stronger than them. Becaue his fight is a fucking joke
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>>186521943
Persona is written by a 50 year old man desu. They're stuck in the early 2000s.
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>>186522132
Even Shido's boss fight wasn't terribly hard.
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>>186521943
>they think we're just as awful as they are

Are.... we not?
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>>186522205
not currently, maybe once the anime changes his name something better will come up
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>>186522273
repel phys
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>>186522205
Sadayo Kawakami
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>>186522243
Persona 4 was made in the 2000s though.Bush was still president.
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>>186522243
>Persona is written by a 50 year old man desu
Wada became a grandpa this spring, he mentioned that in one of interviews
feels weird, doesn't it?
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>>186520379
>It's always okay if it's girls. Boys loving boys is what they think is gross

What's the problem with this?
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>>186522442
>Persona 4 was made in the 2000s though
it was also deliberatery written and designed as if it was set few decades earlier
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>>186503979
I like Morgana
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>>186522442
And yet the writing for P4 reads like a fucking 90s gag anime
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Is there ANYONE out there that has seen this in its entirety?
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>>186523016
ye-
> in its entirety?
no
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>>186523016
Yeah
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>>186522542
Go ask that in public :^)
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>>186523016
I've seen fanart of it, so yes, I guess
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>>186522296
Some of us may be. Those people aren't worth listening to though.
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>>186499719
Holy shit, Futaba sounds pretty bad in English.
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>>186523016
I've seen one of the openings of it.
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>>186523494
>some of us

It's all of us, don't kid yourself. And we're the ones who give Fatlus their paychecks.
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>>186522821
boykoto and andrew do things to me
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>>186523859
same desu
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>>186523578
Nipponese Personafags on twitter sometimes call themselves "Atlus' ATM"
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>tfw can't tell if people are really this concerned about Yosuke's """fag-bashing""" or just baiting
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>>186523859
I like this version of Makoto better.
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>>186524518
What do you mean by "concerned?"
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>>186524632
Same.
The lack of a bowl cut is what makes it superior, for me.
Femryuji is top tier, though
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>>186524518
Who the hell is concerned? That's just what people do normally.
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>>186524814
door's got some neat kicks
i wanna spit on them
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>>186520993
>>186520942
>>186520184
>>186520184

Didn't Yosuke had cut lines expressing his love for mc?
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>>186525676
yeah, but the key word there is cut
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>>186525676
Yes.
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>>186525676
Yes, there is enough evidence pointing that Yosuke was probably going to have a romance, given his slink triggers and cut lines. Also slink reverse lines which only lovers got.
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>>186525828
Are they gonna fug?
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>>186525932
Of course
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>>186525756
>>186525764
>>186525778
I hope next time they don't chicken out, I mean fujos are a great source of money
Have you seen tales of zestiria? They still milk that shit despite of being a huge failure
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>>186525778
and the hug on rank 8 that made it into the final version
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>>186525676
Is there any cut data like that in the jp version? Could've just been the same situation as Sae's romantic dialogue.
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>>186526135
Yup
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>>186526247
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>>186526135
it is in Japanese version too, someone posted a link to it long time ago
And Sae also had those lines in japanese version. We found them few months after P5 came out in Japan but no one really gave a shit back then, no idea why people think they're only in English version.
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>>186480342
Should I play with the remix music in P2:ISP or nah?
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>>186526359
original music
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>>186526087
Fuck that game.
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>>186526409
How come? Is there a big difference?
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>>186526087
The fujos are the only reason Zestiria is still alive today. Besides there were atleast 3 characters nips liked from that trainwreck.

>>186526254
What scene was this going to be from?
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