Touhou general - /2hug/ - #35

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>>186472280
>>186472185
Eh, guess I'll pass since I'm not super worried about the moon bitches unless it's gotta do with gensokyo as a whole.

>>186474650
You'll regret this

>>186474843
Well, what's particularly good about it?

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>>186476015
Watatsuki sisters!

Who's stronger: Moonbitches or Hecatia?

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>>186476256
>Moonbitches
>good
Are you willing to be serious now?

>>186476358
Well, depends, if Hecatia is pure, then moon bitches would win since they've proven to be pretty bullshit strong. Hecatia of course is impure, being a hell goddess and all so she wins practically by default.

>>186476445
isnt everyone on earth impure though?

>>186476360
Bitch, they literally beat Gensokyo strongest 2hu, Yukari and Reimu. Moonbitches are cool.

>>186476594
they are not cool
they are smug assholes who got what they deserved in our little text game.

>>186476536
Yep, so most people should have a shot at them, if they can somehow spread the impurity to them before getting fucked up by the two.

>>186476594
Problem is Gensokyo's strongest 2hu is Hecatia which is why the question has been raised.
Reimu just always wins when spell card rules are involved

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>>186476594
That's what makes them exactly not cool in my eyes, just makes them seem like poorly written asspull characters.

>>186476643
Problem, if Reimu is only capable of winning thanks to spellcard rules, then the spellcard rules would be in a really shaky standing, since Yukari's probably to busy to take every matter into her own hands and there's plenty of youkai around who think they're hot shit.

>>186476916
I've always wondered what happens when spell card rules are outright violated like this. Is there anyone actively enforcing them or is it just an unspoken agreement to use Spell Card Rules

>>186476975
It's a gaping hole that ZUN hasn't seemed to address yet honestly, which makes it honestly really weird given the context of some of the more recent incidents. I mean, the obvious consequences of ignoring the rules in a duel means potential death, but we're not sure on the ramifications for doing so and getting caught after the fact..

>>186476643
There's no really a way to judge how strong a 2hu is other than spellcard battles. Yorihime beat Reimu, Sakuya, Remilia and Marisa in one go. Hell, she can even use the power of many gods.

I seriously doubt that Yukari is weaker than Hecatia.

>>186476767
What? Strong character equals bad writting? So all the other strong 2hus are ass too?

>>186477241
No but blatantly taking on four of the heaviest hitters one after the other, then saying "oh yeah she beat up Yukari!" comes off more of a "This guy beat up superman!" move instead of her actually being strong.

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>>186477471
In what way should she show her strength so that you can say she's strong?

>>186477241
ZUN confirmed that Hecatia is strong as fuck in an interview. It's in Strange Creators of Outer World.

>>186477901
Have her end up losing a battle against the girls in the end. Honestly the two of them being so strong opens up massive holes in the setting, since Lunarians think Gensokyo is a nice place to live and the two moonbitches are strong enough to stomp pretty much everyone of them without much trouble, the hell is stopping them from just purifying Gensokyo?

>>186478106
>since Lunarians think Gensokyo is a nice place to live
bullshit
they think the earth is impure

>>186477971
Zun has also confirmed that he's a hack multiple times, your point?

>>186478156
Yes, but to my knowledge they've stated that they're interested and purifying and annexing Gensokyo, which probably wouldn't be too difficult since they can just cordon it off from the outside world with a border and keep all the impurity out.

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>>186478219
Anon, usually when aliens say they want to "purify" something that usually means something very, very bad.

>>186478219
Your knowledge is wrong. The only time they've expressed anything resembling that kind of interest was in LoLK, where they did that as a desperation tactic to avoid getting wiped the fuck out.

>>186478435
Naturally, the Lunarians have no particular reason to care what happens to the denizens of Gensokyo, being impure, lesser beings and all. I think them being "Lmao 2 stronk 4 everyone" makes them pretty lazily written.

>>186478541
I hope Reimu goes back to the moon one day and kicks their ass

>>186479076
Well as ZUN said they're "too strong to be put into a games, they'd only work in manga!" so you won't get the satisfaction of 1ccing their asses. But it would be nice if Reimu had to actually surmount them instead of them forever being "lol 2 stronk 4 u"

>>186479220
To be fair, he said that same thing about Sanae, and look how that turned out.

>>186479220
Reimu is capable of getting stronger.

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>>186478106
>Have her end up losing a battle against the girls in the end
Why does losing make someone look strong?

>>186478541
If they were that racist and cold-hearted, then why would Yorihime compromise with the invaders in SSiB and agree to have spellcard battle? She should've just murder them for invading because of how impure they are, but she didn't. Same with Toyhime.

The point I'm trying to make is Lunarian aren't that racist.

>>186479593
IIRC, Yorihime do give an advice to Reimu on how to control and use the power of the gods, right?

>>186477971
Did ZUN say she's the strongest?

>>186479749
Uhhh...I dont think so

>>186479954
Are you >>186477971?

>>186479749
He says she exceeds anyone in Gensokyo or the Lunar Capital.

>>186480150
no

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>>186480368
Well, Yorihime is pretty strong regardless. She manage to imprison Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya and Remilia with her swords. Not to mention he summoning gods power is way beyond the league of Reimu's.

>>186481546
Her god summoning power is exactly the same as Reimu's. Only difference is, Yorihime actually trains, whereas Reimu just lazes about drinking tea.

>>186481546
couldnt they just step around the fucking swords?

>>186481818
They had EoSD hitboxes.

>>186481892
awh fuck

>>186481751
The power level difference is like between night and day, according to Marrysa.

>>186482020
Yeah, that's kinda how it works. That's like saying the difference in skill between some guy who just started learning how to sword fight last week and some guy who happens to be a professional sword fighter, learning since he was in grade school, is huge.

Training matters. That's why people do it.

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>>186484425
Why is this little girl so lewd?

Why is she so soft?

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Oh hi anon! Wanna help this old lady stretch a bit?

>>186485946
Silly Kitsune, Mamizou insists that she's still young.

>>186485747
Who?

>>186486685
Narumi

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What did ZUN mean by this?

>>186487870
I think Google Translate needs an improvement.

Post your favourite stage

>>186487870
>cumshot
Never knew ZUN was gay

>>186485946
Is it that time of the year again? Where animals got very horny?

>>186482196
I'm just saying that Reimu is weak as piss, that's all.

>>186488870
12-6

>>186492184
That's still wrong though. The existence of someone stronger than them doesn't make them incredibly weak.

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>>186492385
Why are you so obsess with strength definition? Strong/weak exist because of comparison. There's no way to tell if a person strong or weak if the person live alone in a planet with no one to compare to.

Same with heavy/light, fast/slow, long/short, ect. These words exist because of comparison.

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>>186493183
o-ok

>>186493489
Cunt

>>186493183
You may have replied to the wrong person, Anon.

>>186493857
Would you like to comment on my grammar mistake too?

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>live in Gensokyo
>literally surrounded by gods and goddesses
>still reject their existence
*tips headdress*
she's still my favorite though

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>>186494332
>believing in gods

>>186494332
Has she ever canonly meet the gods of Gensokyo?

>>186494486
>saying God absolutely doesn't exist
>yet have no proof of it
>not taking the neutral route and being agnostic
Typical atheist

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>>186494606
>being a fencesitter
Either you do believe or you don't, having "proof" of God basically negates the hole point of faith

>>186494332
I'd love to explain how stupid you are, but this thread is shit anyway so nah.

>>186494796
fuck faith, proof is all that matters

>>186494796
I don't understand?

>>186494796
But having absolute belief in a god's non-existence without proof requires faith that there is nothing that exists beyond your understanding of science, just as believing in its existence does. The only option that requires no assumptions on your part is the acknowledgement that the truth of the matter is unknowable.

Not that I'd expect an idiot from a kusothread to understand that.

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>>186494606
>>186494796
what god dwells in the hakurei shrine?

>>186495043
Second Law of Thermodynamics pretty much proof that God exists.

>>186495059
We don't know, but we know there is one, and he's pissed at Reimu not getting him any faith

>>186494996
You don't have any proof they exist but you believe = Faith
If you have proof that they exist than there is no faith involved, you don't have "faith" that elephants exist, because you know they exist, you can go to africa or the zoo to see them, I have no proof God exists, but I still have faith that they're there, not so hard to understand

>>186495220
how so

>>186494332
perhaps she just thinks of them as super powerful beings that call themselves gods and not actual gods (idk if she's from France or something she might only be familiar with the Jesus God and think these are fakers. Seeing Gensokyo she might not believe in God anymore).

>>186495059
the hakurei god duh.
yukari

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please stop shitposting and arguing about gods, Sakuya was just trying to make a joke.

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>>186495435
>the Law stated that entropy can't decreased
>if the universe exist sinced forever, then the entropy would be universally constant in the past, present and future
>but scientists proof that past entropy is lower in the past
>which can only mean that the universe have a beginning
>something can't come out from nothing
>a mighty being have to created it
>that being is God

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>>186496057
you clearly have no idea what you're talking about

>>186496008
The "that was a joke" part was clearly in response to Reimu's accusation

>>186496209
Please tell me which part did I get wrong

>>186495413
Why are you treating faith like it's something important?

>>186496209
But first, do you know what entropy is?

>>186496392
https://ncse.com/cej/2/2/creationist-misunderstanding-misrepresentation-misuse-second

>>186496057
>god is the only way that the universe could have possibly been created
Ever hear of the big bang?

>>186480368
>Exceeds everyone in Gensokyo and the Lunar Capital
>still beaten by Reimu and the gang
I guess the spellcard rules really are major nerfs to everyone around. I think ZUN should stop adding stronger and stronger characters.

>>186497594
>I think ZUN should stop adding stronger and stronger characters.
that'll never happen lad. ZUN changes his mind constantly, like how he said Sanae would never be a playable character because she is a too strong.

>>186496867
You do know that I'm talking about the whole universe(not the observational universe) and universe is an isolated system? I'm not talking about evolution at all.

>>186497170
The fuck? Enery is matters in disguise(E=mc^2). You think energy/matter can come out of nowhere?

>>186497780
Yeah, at this point it's just getting detrimental to the setting at large. If Hecatia > everyone in the lunar captial means she's stronger than Moonbitches, meaning that what ZUN said earlier about the moonbitches is already invalid . Who says a pair of characters is too strong to put into a game, then puts in someone who's even stronger than them?

>>186497170
Not that guy, but I find the idea of an omnipotent being creating everything far more plausible than the idea of a whole lot of literally nothing suddenly exploding, creating stuff.

>>186498025
>>186497780
I mean, either way matter is created from nothing, unless god had a bunch of spare shit laying about. One requires some asshole who's fucked off to Gensokyo by now and the other requires scientific assumptions, we won't know the answer in our lifetime likely.

>>186497996
>Who says a pair of characters is too strong to put into a game, then puts in someone who's even stronger than them?

Somebody who's drunk as fuck.

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>>186498471
>ZUN gets smashed while he's thinking up of the next game codes it all drunk and then wakes up the next morning and regrets reading his drunken notes then tries to play it off
I could believe it

Have ZUN ever 1cc his own game?

>>186498908
I'm pretty sure ZUN has stated that he tweaks the game until he can barely get a Lunatic NB

>>186495810
Is Sakuya even from the outside like Remi and Flan? I always thought she became part of the SDM after they came to Gensokyo.

>>186495810
I guess that makes a bit of sense, but why not just consider them gods, she knows magical things exist. Using magic herself and all, working for vampires, living in gensokyo and such.

>>186499279
Well wasn't Sakuya a vampire hunter by trade before becoming the SDM's head maid? Hence why she has silvered knives, and Vampires weren't really around in Gensokyo until very recently. According to the wiki ZUN himself said Sakuya isn't even her real name and that she isn't from Gensokyo too.

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>>186499279
from PMiSS
"Furthermore, she is ever an ally of youkai, and is cold-hearted towards human villagers who visit the mansion.

This suggests that she might not be a human from Gensokyo, but rather one from the outside or a completely different world. "

So maybe. Or you could go off Eirin's character profile and say Sakuya's a lunarian and doesn't believe in the puny Gensokyo Gods compared to the ones she's seen on the moon. Or like you said she's just from Gensoky. It's one of those things ZUN has left up to the fans to decide.
>>186499593
again she might not think there are gods other than the one god she'd be used to. Perhaps the magic and shit just made her stop believing in religion and she just sees them as powerful beings idk.
>>186499789
Akyuu is fake news

>>186499593
An atheist just rejects the existence of God. Nothing in the definition about magic

>>186499789
>Well wasn't Sakuya a vampire hunter by trade before becoming the SDM's head maid?

I'm pretty sure that's fanon.
There's no canon material about Sakuya's past afaik.

>>186499879
Well, belief in a god requires a belief that there's some form of mysticism in the world generally. Hence why I brought it up.

>>186499914
Akyuu says it in PMiSS but it's Akyuu's fanon so I'd say don't trust it.

>>186499789
>According to the wiki ZUN himself said Sakuya isn't even her real name

I think Sakuya is the name given to her by Remi, but there's no actual confirmation that she's not from Gensokyo, or is there?

>>186500021
Even Ayuu states that it's ony a theory based on the silver knives though, so there's no actual evidence.

>>186500061
Well according to them ZUN says exactly that in some emails. Why a european vampire would settle on "Sakuya" certainly confuses me

>>186500164
She's probably a weeb

>>186500342
That'd explain how she knows Japanese despite not living in Gensokyo, and presumably Japan until recently. Unless Yukari is polyglot.

>>186500439
It's reasonable to assume that they either studied Jap n preparation for their move, or Gensokyou has some kinda magic translator to help foreign Youkai immigrating in. Did the Hobgoblins ever speak?

>>186500587
Well, we can't really know since foreigners are rather rare in Gensokyo, with the SDM being the only ones we're currently aware of.

>>186500587
>Gensokyou has some kinda magic translator to help foreign Youkai immigrating in.

Probably not, there's a scene in FS where Remilia writes a letter and Kosuzu has trouble answering it because it's in english.
I think it's reasonable to assume that Remilia and Flandre learned japanese before moving to Gensokyo.

>>186500916
>foreigners are rather rare in Gensokyo, with the SDM being the only ones we're currently aware of

Eientei are pretty much foreigners too.

>>186501719
so is Moriya Shrine and Myouren Temple.

>>186501719
True, though what I mean was foreigners in the sense of "non native Japanese speakers" since everyone else who's come to Gensokyo from the outside is either straight up Japanese, like the Moriya shrine, or from the moon which apparently has connections to Japan.

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I really like this guys art

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https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Oni
>Always honoring their promises, they can think of no other way to behave than to be fair and square.
Respect

>>186505495
Is that her tails?

>>186505672
>tails
???
it's fire wtf are you on about

>>186505759
For some reason, a lot of people depict the aura or whatever the fuck coming from behind her as tails.

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>>186505914
Are they blind? It's coming from behind the chair.

>>186506006
People are retarded, what can I say.

>>186506006
>>186506108
This is the same fanbase that mistook a pre-demo screenshot of Sekibanki getting hit by one of Sakuya's knives as a blue-eared, silver-tailed Orin. They're all bakas.

>>186506743
>This is the same fanbase that mistook a pre-demo screenshot of Sekibanki getting hit by one of Sakuya's knives as a blue-eared, silver-tailed Orin. They're all bakas.
Do you have any proof?

>>186506919
On hand? No, but there's almost certainly archives of this happening. I distinctly remember reading about that happening, not believing it, jumping onto /jp/ for a while to check, and then seeing dumb fucks treating it as if it was obvious. Even had to point out that it was a knife, not a tail.

I kinda miss Yuuka anon.

>>186510884
I thought I was the only one. He was one of us back in the early days of /2hug/. But he left. Now I'm stuck with you dummies.

>>186511125
At least we're dummies together.

>>186511714
I'm only pretending to be a dummy to fit in.

>>186497594
The weakest character was DDC final boss and the extra's was just borrowing power from the exterior world

DDC was the one with the weakest Youkai to date. LeLK was the one with the strongest 2 years later to compensate

What interesting implications/hints were there in the new 2hu? Off the top of my head:
>Eternity is probably a god
>Yuuka may be a fairy
>Cirno may be the next Yuuka
>Alice gave Narumi her hat
>Cirno is the only one that didn't fail Okina's test, implying she was stronger than Reimu/Marisa/Aya
>Aya was the only one winded from battling Okina, implying she was the weakest of the group

Was there significance to which back door the other protagonists took?

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>>186512348
Can't believe this came true.

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>>186512670
>all that shit
nigga what, did Cirno meme herself into becoming the strongest in Gensokyo or are you just baiting?

Where are the knight 2hu, the Dragon 2hu or the ayylmao 2hu?

Knights are figures of myth and fearsome warriors with big possibilities for creative danmaku with Sword, Shield, Bows and shit.
Dragons are the biggest, baddest beast of eastern and western mythology.
And ayylien youkai should exist due to being fueled by the fear of the unknown of the whole outside would (no, Nue isn't an alien)

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>>186513382
Lunarians are technically aliens

>>186513237
The final/extra boss of HSiFS beat Reimu, Aya, and Marisa, but never claimed to have defeated Cirno. Cirno was also the only one that Okina was glad returned. There's also this line:
>When I saw such ambition in a fairy last time, I felt I had witnessed the beginning of a new era of fairies.

>>186513382
there is a dragon and ayys.
fkn newfag

>>186513835
I haven't player it yet, but spellcard battles aren't exactly the best measurement of power. Cirno is laughably weak compared to those others, especially compared to Reimu, who would be unbeatable if not for the spellcard system. Cirno might be exceptional for a fairy though.

>>186513835
I thought Okina only won the first time around, then got her shit kicked in the extra stage. I wouldn't know because I'm not good enough to 1cc games yet.

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>>186513835
I guess Cirno must be the strongest then!

>>186504782
Suika did nothing wrong.

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>tfw Zun won't allow the ULiL to be localized because he doesn't trust americans to handle his characters but fangames are totally okay
>tfw he was right because NISA completely botched Genso Rondo

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>>186495059
This is the secret Hakurei god.

>>186518679
An old lady with a frilly hat?

>>186518369
Where did you get that impression from my post?

>>186515460
>>186516291
HSiFS's incident is specifically that the dancers are drawing out people's potential all across Gensokyo. The seasons are just a by-product of the energized fairies going wild, and it's apparently not even just the fairies who were being energized in the end. My only guess as to why the other protagonists didn't realize it was happening is that they were already close to max potential. So technically the takeaway wouldn't be that Cirno is stronger, but that Cirno's potential is greater than the others.

>>186515973
That's exactly what happens, but only the three other than Cirno are told in the extra that they "failed"/escaped the first battle, unlike Cirno who is welcomed back (but berated for being a baka).

The weird thing is that it's never explained why the plants were growing on Cirno, just that her skin was darkening from using her power (and even that isn't explained).

>>186519776
She only wanted to regularly hold parties in IaMP but got stopped in the process.

>>186519609
An old lady who was a human turned into a youkai. Reimu's a huge hypocrite but granted, she doesn't know that about Yukari.

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>your 3rd favorite 2hu

>>186520685
Wasn't Yukari a dragon who became a Youkai or something?

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>>186522583
Nah, she was a human.

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>>186522090
Hecatia is great and deserves that spot for me

>>186522583
Where the hell did you get that?

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>>186522090
It belongs to either of these two.

>>186523046
>Nah, she was a human.

Where was that stated?

>>186525526
It's more or less fanon, but there's a bit that implies that Maribel moves to gensokyo and becomes a youkai, eventually becoming Yukari. Though this is weird because it requires a fuck ton of time travel bullshit, as Maribel is from 2020ish and Gensokyo was sealed off in 1885.

>>186523424
secondary

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>>186522090
The cute and honest Journalist birb

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>>186526628
Maribel/Renko is from 2151-2154

Okay, I can't figure out the best usage for season releases that aren't summer.
Help me, Eirin!

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>>186527019
>ask for source
>receive weak insult

So you got it out your ass, then. Good to know.

>>186527361
no I meant that guy was a secondary. Probably some weak fanon he came up with there is nothing in source material to suggest it. I bet he hasn't even played the games or read official works.

>>186527231
>Winter
Don't use release, ever
Just use it for more damage

>Spring
Wait until you have 6 of them, release it and realise that you could have just used a better season instead

>Fall
Wait until a lot of bullets are on screen, press release, get a shitload of points, lives and the release you just used, then repeat

>>186527193
Remember when they made Probability Space Hypervessel using Grand Unified Theory and caused an incedent?

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>>186522090

>>186527565
Got it, thanks!

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>>186522090
*unsheathes katana*

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Question do u think that aya gets embarrassed when he poos out eggs in front of hatate???

>>186527959
Delete this

>>186527959
I wonder how do they smell hahaa

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You wouldn't an ayyy lmao

>>186528717
gross

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>>186529305
you gay son

>>186529718
y-you too

>elf ears
thats way more gross

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Finally, a new Yabou

>>186531131
Nani?

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Marisa sux

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>>186533154
What do the chink letters say?
Thats a weird political compass

>>186533154
Translate, weebs.

>>186531131
What is this and can I kiss Remi in it?

>>186533154
Why does Kaguya look dead inside.

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https://e-hentai.org/g/811692/ec207373e1
I love this one
Not hentai btw.

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>>186534260
I tought space jin aka the ballbuster made it just from kaguyas expression.

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>>186534260
Because she just saw moco

>>186534353
"Luigi of the mountain" was pretty gud.

>>186534982
It's definitely his work.

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>page 10

Why are you so dead, /2hug/?

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>>186538751
>not sageing and letting this thread die the death it deserves
There's always jay pee you know.

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>>186535281
How can she be angry at mokou if she is her boyfriend :^)

Marisa ___

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>>186538896
Don't use reemoo to shitpost junkofag

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>>186542023
Kirisame

>>186542236
Kiss a man?

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>>186538932
my wife 's master looks very cute in that picture.

>>186542351
Haha what a slut XDD

>>186542821
You seem upset about something

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Best Tsukumoe~?

>>186542375
Do you treat your wife's son well?

>>186543001
Im not, why should I be?
Your counter game is pretty weak marisafag, t b h

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Pororoca

>>186547285
Prostate exam with Nitori!

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Reminder that Reemoo is cute

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>>186550906
I agree and I unironically like the crimson slasher side of Reimu

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cute..

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...

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>>186538751
Because this is a shitty general full of awful people who do nothing but slowly strangle themselves through obnoxious shitposts, stale jokes, and low quality bait, who couldn't even come up with a good topic of discussion about the actual topic of the thread even when a new game came out.
There is no hope for this place. You've managed to create the worst general in a far shorter time-frame than /ksg/ ever did.

>>186555669
kay

>>186555669
This. There's more secondaries and people who have barely any knowledge about anything here than I've seen anywhere in my life.

>>186562016
Why does Reisen need to hide?

>>186562626
Wasn't she a soldier or something?

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>>186562501
>>186555669
So you choose to stay here with these filthy secondaries and non-meaningful discussions? Instead going to /jp/ or /v/? Gee Anon, never knew you were retarded to stay here while having that feelings about /2hug/.

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>>186555669
We were just talking about SSiB and lunarians not to long ago?

>>186564042
Well she is a Lunarian Defence Force deserter, but her fellow moon rabbits don't care at all and neither do the lunarians in general. So it really is a mystery, maybe the rabbit ears make it too obvious she's a youkai or something?

>>186565963
I think that's it, why would a human want to buy medicine from a youkai? seems really fishy

>>186565963
She's probably a front-line soldier, or a sniper. Would be cool if she was an AssAssin. Not gonna lie, it was coward of her to abandon her duty as a soldier.

>>186566262
Eientei medicine is risk-free and guarantee to heal your sickness, while the human medicine aren't.

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>>186566262
She has a human disguise so it's fine.

>>186566461
>duty
>moon rabbits
pick one. Moon rabbits being pure beings that live on the moon leave them without a sense of loyalty or duty, at least from a human's point of view. This leads to them being childish gossips in nature. Not to mention that they're pretty much forever indebted to the lunarians thanks to Chang'e's actions.

>>186566660
Yes, but humans don't trust youkai at all

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>>186544717
I love them equally!

>>186567110
It's either that or death

>>186565136
I actually just stop by on occasion to see how fall the shitshow has fallen that day.

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>2hu that you actually respect

>>186569932
Why do you respect her?

>>186572202
She got a big heart

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>>186572818
what else?
Also, this is who I personally respect.

>>186522090
Latepass, but Okuu

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>>186573648
Well, I think it's really cool for her to challenge the strong Youkai to make them respect her people and weak Youkai.

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>>186575489
Yeah thats pretty cool of her

>>186575797
Byakuren is from Makai or Gensokyo?

>>186576150
Is Makai even in the current lore of gensokyo?
I though that was pc-98 stuff

>>186576203
>>186576150
She's from the outside world, but was sealed away in Makai several years ago.

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>>186576203
Yes, Murasa mentioning something about Makai in UFO.

>>186576609
You mean the outside world people can banish someone to another world(Makai)? That's pretty cool.

>>186576609
>>186576730
Ah okay, its been a long ass time since i played UFO

>>186576730
MurASSa

>>186576730
Well, it happened way back when Youkai and such were still common place. The Outside Humans of today probably wouldn't have that kind of power.

>>186577274
what makes the humans from the past different from the humans of today power wise?

>>186577332
They stopped relying on things like Faith and Gods and such, and changed focus to Science and Technology. That improved their day-to-day lives, but for beings that require magic to dispatch, like Youkai, it makes them much more helpless.

That said, by not believing in Youkai, they started to make them not exist at all, making something like Gensokyo, where people still believe and fear them, necessary.

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>>186576835
Everyone has an ass, but some ass are better than others.

>>186577332
Probably a lost art. Kinda like how there's no longer Oni Hunters in Gensokyo.

>>186577690
Do you prefer Murasa with a Skirt or Shorts?

HM says Skirt is canon

>>186577690
>Oni Hunters
go on?

>>186577821
not him bur Shorts desu

>>186577872
Here >>186504782
>>186505495

>>186577821
I want more 2hu wearing shorts

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>>186578109

>>186544717
Kogasa>Kokoro>Benben>Raiko>Other

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>>186569932
Okuu

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>>186569932
I respect her because she's such a hard worker!

>>186582019
Bullshit, it's impossible to respect Okuu. She has no redeeming factors.

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>>186584336
Yeah Yeah I know, you're waifu a shit too, blah blah blah

>>186585241
>could have just killed her opponents since she can literally shoot nuclear explosions out of her cannon
>gotta follow those spell card rules though!
idiots deserve no respect

>>186585561
Do you realize how stupid you sound? Showing the courtesy to follow the spellcard rules despite being so ridiculously powerful that she could turn anyone to ash instantly, and you interpret that as a disrespectful action?

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>>186578109
Mokou should wear hotpants.

>>186585729
So she can showoff her unexistant ass?

>>186585561
>follows the spellcard rules like everyone else
>deserves no respect
really anon?

>>186585683
>>186585787
It'd be respectable if she had a respectable goal, but it wasn't, she wanted to turn the world into a literal hellhole

>>186585683
I'm(>>186584336) not him(>>186585561), but ouch man. Loving is not the same as respect.

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>>186585561
What is this

>>186585729
But I like her fluffy pants.

>>186585848

Nevermind the fact that scorching all of Gensokyo never enters her mind again after her battle, she now has one of the most important and complicated jobs in Gensokyo, managing a fusion reactor by herself for the entire underground civilization and being Satori's pet servant when she isn't doing that. It's pretty obvious she has an important job that no one else can do which she works hard at it. Saying that is a feat not worth respect would be ridiculous.

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What makes ZUN art look "bad" to most people? is it the eyes? the digital coloring?

>>186587946
It looks childish for some reason

>>186587946
Older games art were pretty inconsistent in the faces but got better at second gen games both in drawing and coloring. In the newer games I dont like that much the skin tone of most characters, reimu and sanae look so ill like they are dying.
But other than that it doesnt seem that bad.

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Here, it's still warm.

>>186589273
Will it hatch a little Seija?

>>186589368
>a little seija
Better crush that shit

>>186589368
You have to walk 10000 steps first to hatch it

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>>186589542
No, we must protect the little Amanojaqts

>>186589639
I want to wait til she grows up and then fucking kill her.
Im not some kind of monster anon.

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>>186590078
You won't be able to lay a single finger on her by the time she's all grown up tho

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>Okina is a straight upgrade
How will Yukarifags ever recover?

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>>186590216
In that pic, there's:

Shinyoumaru's mallet
Aya's camera
Reimu's Yin yang
Yukari's umberalla(?)
Sumireko's cap

I don't know what the other things belong to.

>>186592737
Yukari can't even score a fucking against a fat guy. What a useless fucking whore she is.

>>186592843
>Sumireko's cap
That's Hatate's skirt

>>186592737
She's really not though. Okina's powers are infinitely worse, and she's only as strong as Ran.

She got hard countered by a bug fairy. Okina a shit, and should have her sage status revoked.

>>186592947
*cape
Damn, you're right.

>>186592973
>Okina's powers are infinitely worse, and she's only as strong as Ran.
>Source: My gappy ass

>>186593374
Okina's powers are to make "backdoors" on things. This is literally just a less practical, more specific version of just one of the myriad applications of Yukari's powers.

As for being as strong as Ran, are you denying that they're both Extra stage bosses?

>>186593589
>for being as strong as Ran, are you denying that they're both Extra stage bosses?
By that logic Kogasa is stronger than Yuyuko

>>186593589
So your logic that Okina can only make a rectangular dimension hole while Yukari can make any shape of dimensional hole. In what world does that make Yukari stronger than Okina?

>>186593589
>As for being as strong as Ran, are you denying that they're both Extra stage bosses?

What stage they're in means fuck all.
Remilia might be stronger than half of the extra bosses depending how her power works and Yuugi is probably the strongest youkai we encounter in SA despite being the stage 3 boss.

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Yukarifags utterly BTFO once again

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Are you denying that donuts are the miracle of the universe?

>>186594325
Y'mean that power that has never been visibly demonstrated, and which Flandre, Remilia's own sister, doesn't believe exists? Yeah, not a good counterpoint. As for Yuugi, everyone knows she was holding back so she could get a good fight. Same with Yuyuko in TD.

>>186593886
Yukari has a fuckton more options and ways to use her powers than Okina does. It's a matter of versatility.

Power over Boundries > Power to Make Door. This cannot be debated.

>>186594874
>Y'mean that power that has never been visibly demonstrated, and which Flandre, Remilia's own sister, doesn't believe exists?

Remilia's power is stated to exist in her canon profiles. Profiles that were written by ZUN and aren't unreliable like the things Akyuu writes in PMiSS. Also Flandre is probably the worst source for information in Gensokyo and Remilia did know that the shooting star attack would happen before it actually occured.

>>186594874
I do agree with your other points, but believing that Remi's power might not be real because of one comment by Flan of all people is laughable.

>>186594874
>Yukari has a fuckton more options and ways to use her powers than Okina does
Please tell examples what Yukari can do that Okina can't?

Does backdoors can't in any way allow irregular shaped object to pass through?

>>186594874
>As for Yuugi, everyone knows she was holding back so she could get a good fight. Same with Yuyuko in TD.

And maybe dozens of other youkai held back in their bossfights too. Stage is not an accurate representation of power and never was.

>>186595412
We have no reason to believe anyone was holding back unless explicitly stated.

You are all a bunch of retards
EVERYONE is holding back, that's what the whole spellcard rules shit is for

>>186595664
So Yuugi is not holding back?

>>186595364
I've not been following this conversation but I'm going to jump in right here anyways

>Please tell examples what Yukari can do that Okina can't?

>The ability to manipulate boundaries is a terrifying ability capable of fundamentally undermining reality.
>As far as we know, everything is built upon the existence of boundaries.
>If there was no water surface, there could be no lake.
>If there was no sky line, neither mountain nor sky could exist.
>Were it not for the Great Barrier, even Gensokyo itself wouldn't exist.
>If there were no boundaries, everything would probably exist as a single enormous object.
>Thus, the ability to manipulate boundaries is by logic an ability of creation and destruction.
>It essentially creates a new existence, or conversely rejects some existence.
>Among the abilities youkai are known to possess, this is one of the most dangerous, being comparable even to the power of gods.
>She is also capable of moving to an entirely separate location between gaps in space, whether it be her entire body or only a part of her.
>It's said that this ability is not limited to physical space, but also applies to pictures, others' dreams, and even stories.
>In addition, she possesses superhuman (*3) intellect, especially concerning mathematics.
>Furthermore, due to her long lifespan, she has a wealth of knowledge and experience.

source: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Yukari

Creating gaps is not Yukari's ability. It's a single application of it

>>186596483
That WAS explicitly stated, you dumb bitch.

>>186597356
Well apparently, Hecatia's ability is way weaker than Yukari's but somehow Hecatia is the strongest 2hu up to date.

>>186597356
Let me guess, Remilia can also manipulate fate amirie?

>>186598015
Not that guy, but of course?
That's literally stated in all of Remilia's profiles.

>>186597731
>source: gaping gay asshole

>>186598449
I think what he meant was Remi's power > Yukari's power

>>186598449
Way to show off as a secondary

>>186598545
>I think what he meant was Remi's power > Yukari's power
That's bullshit of course.

>>186598587
>Way to show off as a secondary
Honestly, thinking that Flan, a character that is known to be crazy, not understanding her sister's power carries more weight than the written word of ZUN is true secondary behavior.

>>186598839
>her sister's power carries more weight than the written word of ZUN
Yukarifags everyone

>>186598904
holy moly, are we at the point where we take out of context quotes now?
I'm saying that ZUN's written words obviously carry way more weight than whatever Flan says in an interview with Aya.

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>>186598997
>whatever Flan says in an interview with Aya obviously carry way more weight than ZUN's written words

>>186598839
Why bullshit? Remi can make Yukari losing to her as fate. Thus, Remi > Yukari.

>>186599289
Well, we have no idea how far Remi's fate powers actually go. There's always a limit to anything. And Yukari is so broken that she might just be able to use her powers to do the same things.

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>>186599485
>There's always a limit to anything.
>Except for Yukari

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>>186599485
Having a broken ability doesn't correlate on how strong someone is for some reasons. Hecatia, Sakuya and Yuuka is the living proof of that.

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>>186599620
Yukari obviously has her limits too. I'm not even the Yukarifag from earlier. I just started replying to defend my waifu when people started claiming that Remi doesn't actually have fate manipulation powers. ZUN wrote that Remi can do it and that's literally all we need to confirm it as canon. The only thing we can argue about is how much control she actually has over it.

>>186600086
>Remi can do it
Not consciously

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>>186600280
It's very possible that she can only do it unconsciously and has no control over it. I never stated otherwise. She seems to be aware of her ability though, otherwise the other 2hus wouldn't know about it.

Remi sux

>>186598015
It's been years so my memory is fuzzy. Are there official sources that contradict Remi's claims? How about Yukari? If you're going to doubt something there needs to be a reason for it.

>>186597939
Use your head. There is a TON of detail not elaborated on. In theory Yukari's bullshit allows her to destroy reality, but there's no evidence that she can actually go that far. Perhaps she's limited to a much smaller scale? Hence her love of gaps?

Not to mention that an ability says nothing of the user's strength, fortitude, extra abilities, species-based weakness, etc. It's perfectly consistent for Yukari to have a busted ability on paper but to still be weaker than a god.

>>186600086
She can't manipulate her fate of being a stupid brat.

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>Yukarifags wanking over powerlevels again

>>186600996
You say that yet somehow you confidently said that Okina is weaker than Yukari. Just admit you're wrong so that I can proceed my waifuposting.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ_2NTthBnU

Why is Murasa's theme so fucking good? I'm such a sucker for violin/jazz/piano theme.

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>>186600996
>It's been years so my memory is fuzzy. Are there official sources that contradict Remi's claims? How about Yukari? If you're going to doubt something there needs to be a reason for it.
Flan states in an interview with Aya that she doesn't believe in her sisters power and thinks that Remilia only talks big to impress others. It's not really a reliable source compared to the official profiles Remilia got in the games if you ask me, but it was enough to make people shitpost about it.

>>186601023
I'm loving that brat and wouldn't want her to change.

>>186601383
Dumb boatslut

>>186601526
Dumb wingedrat with knife ears

>>186598015
>>186600996
>It's been years so my memory is fuzzy. Are there official sources that contradict Remi's claims
Oh yeah, that's right. In Bohemian Archive Flandre basically says that Remi is full of shit.

>Let me guess, Remilia can also manipulate fate amirie?
Well, if you can find a similar official text regarding Yukari then you'll have a case.

>>186601223
>you confidently said that Okina is weaker than Yukari
jesus shitting christ learn to read. Where did I say that? I didn't. The post was correcting >>186595364 on the nature of Yukari's abilities. It was about abilities in isolation, not the characters using them.

I have no idea who is stronger and I really don't give a damn.

>>186601650
>>186592973
Or are you telling me that Ran is as strong as Yukari?

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>>186602194
And then I fucked up and replied to A COMPLETELY UNRELATED POST SOMEWHERE ELSE ENTIRELY. Shows what I get for being smug.

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Reminder that Seija has canonically beaten both Remilia and Yukari

>>186601650
>Oh yeah, that's right. In Bohemian Archive Flandre basically says that Remi is full of shit.

I think we can just write that off as Flandre being retarded. Remilia still appeared in games and manga after Bohemian Archive and ZUN always included that Remilia can manipulate fate in her descriptions even in those later canon sources.

>>186602424
Reminder that Seija is a slut.

Reminder that Seija canonically sux
>>186601383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoIb2K7du9Y

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>>186602564
>>186602589
U just jelly