/parag/ - Paragon General

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first for stinky gringo

>>186337558
Not a fan of his mastery skin. Have they shown off his kit yet?

Who /iggy/ here?

>>186336961
ebin employee said the invisible walls are getting removed in v43 when they update the map

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Posting for nice OP picture
>Also this
>>186336828
Well to be honest I really wanted to play it
I saw some streams of it and even though it looked limited (obviously since beta) survival games are one of my kinks
Guess I should have lurked more
2018 isn't too far from now though since it'll be free to play
>inb4 clans/guilds/parties based on Paragon waifus
Staking my claim as Bush Leader here and now

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>>186338485
we just went over this buddy back off of my waifu

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Some guy did a bit of the math. Glad my anecdotes of wukong being worse than countess were true. What was aurora's release WR among upper 20%?

WR | PR | Non Mirrorer WR | Top 20% WR
>Wukong
56% 30% 58.57% 62.63%
>Iggy & Scorch
55% 29% 57.04% 60.07%
>Kallari
53% 34% 54.55% 58.86%
>Narbash
56% 11% 56.74% 58.47%
>Kwang
53% 17% 53.61% 55.42%
>Feng Mao
52% 12% 52.27% 53.87%
>Countess
50% 27% 50.00% 53.44%
>Muriel
47% 8% 46.74% 49.72%
>Riktor
47% 7% 46.77% 47.43%
>GRIM.exe
42% 5% 41.58% 41.95%
>Revenant
43% 15% 41.76% 41.75%

>>186330184
>They're essentially the 2 supports to Cam's carry except he's pushing towers with no minions
Suddenly it makes perfect sense why Awaken the Emeric is a thing.

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>>186338873
>b-but she's my waifu!
Listen here kiddo, you're adorable an' all, but it takes a certain kind of skill to navigate a bush of this caliber

>>186339141
high but not astronomical since just like countess it tanked heavily in plat and above since people knew to buy purity just like people rush gag order now. i think it was around 56%.

>>186340456
>this fraud ass fuck actually saved my image with the same name
not only does a poser like you not deserve the queenbush you dont desrve any at all go jerk off to countess with all the other normies

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>>186340804
Oh, I'm sorry, did you want a different image?
I've got plenty more bushbae where that came from

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>>186341016
>foot fetish
never disgust me or my waifu ever again

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>>186341383
>Paying attention to the feet rather than the delicious amount of Aurora-tier ass meat on display
anon please

How quickly should you rush Growth Totem?

>>186341918
Depends on who you are playing as. I don't think it is very good unless you get a few kills and can buy it very early. <7 minute early. Otherwise you won't get much value as the games don't break 30 minutes in the worst of cases.

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Went 6/2/14 as tank Sev jungle, made Cunttess my bitch. Stole their prime and made a comeback, we would've easily won but our ADC left.
He whined something about getting bursted down by countess, and our support didn't even have wards.

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brehs

>No Cuntess on either side
>No Kallari on either side
>Only a Wokong on the opposite team
Literally the greatest game I've had since release

>>186337141
>spend my free coins for serath skins
>a day later titsicles gets this
AUUUGHHH

Wasn't Mooney the one who said three carries could be meta

I've been at walmart and couldn't post

Any good deck builds for /ourguy/ Kwang?

>>186348506
Godmother Vigilant and no other cards.

What does getting duplicate gems from chests do?
Do they stack in the pve or is that only cards?

>>186349212
The same gems can have different stats (one will give you 60 health, another 2.5 power, etc.) I think there are also different rarities that have increased stats in PvE.

>>186348506
CompRip, Vamp Blade, Withering Shadow

>>186348506
you can do a shield build with mallenks tribute sacred alchemy and vamp blade or you can do a suicide build with withering shadow, sorvuk initiate and vamp blade.
either way you can 1v1 anyone and never die

>>186349773
Hm, I have 9 out of 9 gems for each slot but I guess I'll keep an eye out for the stat changes

>win 6 games in a row
>then lose 5 games in a row
I don't know what I did to win nor what I did to lose. Either we are winning the entire map or everything is on fire; nothing in between. Is this how you guys feel? soloq ~1750 elo. Also, fuck 5 stacks, they ruin fucking everything.

>>186351823
yes. and it just gets worse the higher you go because as you said you get more and more 5 stacks. plat around 1600 is the best games because its high enough you wont get gold shitters who played whatever hero is OP that month and made 1505 and think they're the best player in the world but still low enough that you're not at the MMR cap and get nothing but suki 5 stacks all day.
like i said last thread the game desperately needs a solo q only playlist and to rapidly demote people who get reported as being mismatched so many times within a certain time period

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post em

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This page is fucking useless.

i wanna fuck aurora's butt

>>186351823
Forced 50%

most games are doing this now, ask /owg/ it's basically a mechanic where devs notice if people win about 50% of their games they stay satisfied enough to keep playing. So after a lot of win you get matched up with as many people that can stomp you as possible. The problem with Pragon is is more obvious than other games because you have huge win streaks then huge win loses as opposed to them being sprinkled through out your gaming experience.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13716524

CONTINUE VOTING

>vs a countess kallari kwang 3 stack
>entire match they just stack a lane with kwang and count going in and forcing a fight while kallari splitpushes
>if you dont fight they're free to push the lane up as far as they want meaning you can never go on the offensive
>if you do fight kwang tanks for 40 seconds and if you focus him countess deletes half your team and if you focus her kallari just ults in and kills whoever
so what do i do to "counterplay" this

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Someone explain to me the logic of having a squishy DPS like Wukong, Countess, Kallari, or Crunch in the off lane instead of tanky bodies like Greystone, Riktor, or Kwang.

>>186358673
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13716524
Seriously worried about you guys. I can't have fun with this game anymore. I played my main and smurf up to cap and can't make new accounts without epic royally fucking me. I didn't think they could make the new account experience any worse but they managed it. So now I am stuck with a bunch of wanna-be pro 5 stacks, toxic tryhard soloq players, and whiney streamers. Everyone is just abusing the same broken shit every game so it all culminates in one side rolling the fuck out of the other. I haven't had a comeback or close game in my last 30.

>>186360181
They're the kind of offlaners that need levels yet have to be babysat by the jungler before they reach level 5. They're mechanically shitty midlaners.

>>186360181
>Wukong
He has the fastest farm and we he comes online he ends the game. That's it. If your jungle doesn't camp the fuck out of him that is game. You can't 1v1 or even 2v1 him after 20 minutes, if he is smart you aren't going to catch him with a team rotation, he can pretty much solo every objective on the map in less than a few seconds(with or without minions), and if your team groups anywhere to push you are now trading objectives with wukong meaning you lose a game. He is essentially a sustain tank that has the best movement in the game with the best objective clear in the game.
>Countess
People lost their shit because her level 5 can't be countered. She isn't as strong as people claim her to be though. If she doesn't put in work to snowball she become pretty mediocre. That said, she probably has the most polarizing early game of any hero. Did she get fed? She wins. That's it. Did she trade even and not penta at 15 minutes? Your team is now on the backfoot. Having your game decided by a single player's level 5 performance before the remainder of the team has access to proper counters is frustrating; hence the hate/popularity. She also has good wave clear which keeps her relevant into the late game so she isn't high risk, high reward as much as minor risk, immense variation.
>Kallari
Just a pretty bad idea but Kallari is overtuned enough that she is a pretty legit pubstomp hero. She can one-shot people from stealth which isn't an easy mechanic for most players to deal with.
>Crunch
Ha, no.
>Greystone/Kwang
Both great and extremely viable picks. However, Grey has a ult bug currently that makes him inconsistent and Kwang is a slightly tankier sustain tank than wukong. If you don't need the extra early heft of kwang, wukong is just plain better. You just have to stomach his bullshit ricing splitpush mess.

>>186360331
like i said last thread just find something shitty that you still find fun and tank. ive been playing support aurora and its been going great. i get to stare at her fat ass and drop back into elo where the game is actually fun again

>>186360181
Oh, I forgot.
>Riktor
Better but still pretty shit unless you can consistently hit your pulls, which most of you can't. He is actually a pretty good representation of high risk, high reward. Due to his lack of dps he is still a hard pick to sell considering our current burst/splitpush meta. You have to work a team around a riktor so he isn't as viable as wukong or kwang etc.

>first pick offlane khai
>"havent seen this meme before"
>pick 2 and 3 the obvious kallari and countess
>pick 4 insta lock on iggy
>"fuck this shit"
>pick wukong
>stuck right lane alone against a morigesh as iggy and khai duo left
>basically play offlane safe lane since i can't leave tower without getting marked and poop bombed every 5 seconds.
>finally get farmed
>barrel straight down every lane 1v4ing with vamp blade lifesteal and no movement penalty gems
>take 2 inhibs by myself
>solo the core while 3 people are trying to kill me
i dont know whether to be more disappointed this is the state of plat games or that this actually worked

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>>186362296
This is unfortunately common so don't feel too proud, anon. The game is fucked beyond belief right now.

>>186362484
i literally said i was disappointed it was fun as fuck tho

>>186362573
fuck, I have shitty reading comprehension.

How is feng mao rn? Which role does he take?
Also, why the only heroes that feel like a support are muriel and the orc? Muriel isn't bad but besides the area shield and ult feels like you do nothing

>>186362573
>>186362296
i just realized what this game is now. its MW2 all over again. marathon commando 60 foot lunges, OMA infinite grenade launchers, yolo no scope sniper shots. everything is broken, everything is chaotic, everything is so very very fun

>>186362951
Feng is a pretty decent offlane, he is just overshadowed by the monkey. With his move speed increase and the viability of aa based shield tanks he can be a serious threat. He just looks like a retarded attack helicopter.
>muriel
global ult and shields out the ass with the cd reductions made her fucking stupid. Her slow and alacrity aren't bad either and help chase stragglers after you carry a teamfight. She counters burst and we are in a very burst heavy meta. Also synergizes well with iggy, who is his own broken piece of shit.
>narb
helps heal ability poke, thunk counters countess ult, and his ult is an extremely underestimated ability that wins teamfights overwhelmingly if used correctly. March isn't bad for chasing as above.

They both just have tools to deal with ability burst/poke. The other supports don't.

Is there a best gem meta that works across the board or is it dependant on hero/playstyle?

>>186364526
depends on your role really, but generally all characters in a role will use the same gem board, just like generally, all characters in a role can use the same deck.

>>186364719
So is there a limit to how many attributes total you can purchase in game or is it literally 25 each assuming the game goes long enough for that amount of gold?

>>186365003
25 each max, so 75, 75k gold spent on attributes. Realistically you'll get to 30~ points in any given match though.

>>186365003
you can max them all but games end in 35 minutes now at the longest so you'd have to intentionally drag them out long enough to do it

EVERY FUCKING GAME Kallari, Countess, and Fucking Ape Escape.

>>186365362
Maybe in competent brackets. I had an hour long game recently because my team ran back to our jungle whenever a fight looked like it might happen.

>>186365904
the minion waves stack to such a ridiculous level that i don't know how you can have a match last for more than 45 minutes unless you spend every second just clearing waves back and forth. any pick past 30 minutes is a free inhib

What's this card that lets people become invisible at will? How does anyone think this is fair?

>>186285669
>mask of madness
What did he mean by this?

>>186366976
Overclocked Android is mask of madness from dota. It gives you enough movement speed to counter the attack while moving penalty and almost enough attack speed to counter death crawler.

>>186366815
Shadow Dancer. Corruption card, cost 4 vitality 6 intellect.

Easily countered by wards and other cards.

bed bump

>>186368335
>Corruption

>>186367152
Thanks, m8y.

>lose
>-1 elo because enemy average elo is 400 higher than my team
repeat this for every single game. Ranked mode when

>>186348220
I remember being disgusted at Cam specifically, but I suppose that could just be my default state of mind. I'm not going back to listen to those jokers again, though.

Is agora.gg broken?

>>186374258
works for me

>>186374363
None of the shit loads for me

>5 dollar mastery
>10 dollar skin
Fuck I want that new Aurora skin but how can anyone justify spending that?

>>186375024
>playing Aurora

>>186379019
Why shouldn't I?

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I wonder if tomorrow night's community corner will stay "on-message" or if they'll actually reference any of the stuff people have been complaining about?
If they don't even mention the mastery situation (or worse, try to double down on their position), they'll start losing people fast.
I have this feeling it will open with KL trying to sound reasonable, then Cam will pipe up as if he's trying to explain Physics to a toddler while just dissembling for five minutes and end up saying nothing of any real value. You know, like always.

Slow Yuro hours.

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So how do I get them to make a model with her bush guys?

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So how long can until we can see a full bush or hairy armpits in game?

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>>186382352

>>186382087
You throw money at them.

>>186379694
I'm wondering the same. What time will it be?
This meta is complete bullshit.

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>>186382087
If we all spam them with the request I think they might

>>186383497
I don't know, some time on Friday nights. I used to think there was a regular time, but they missed the upload schedule a few times iirc, so it's just a vague window of a few hours every Friday night.

>>186379694
Mastery situation?

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>>186384062
You haven't noticed the ludicrous prices? Even with daily login and star coin unlocks for rep, you're looking at an insane grind to make any kind of mastery progress. This isn't an immediate problem for long time players (although affording masteries for newly-released heroes will be a pain), but anyone starting new will be completely screwed. There's also the knock-on effect of the most important cards being locked behind both masteries and account progression, so you need to invest in masteries but also be around level 25 before you can even think about starting to compete seriously in PvP.
I have bigger problems with the mechanical speed of the game and the pace of the matches because I can ignore the mastery problem, but it's definitely the most important issue right now, especially since this newest version of the game (which has pissed off approximately half of the visible userbase) was designed specifically to accomodate newer players and/ or shitters.

tl;dr: Epic shit the bed once again.

>>186384062
They decided that the best way to encourage people to think and counterpick was to encourage people to only play a handful of heroes.

What are the best cards and gems for the offlane?

>>186385792
I'm pretty new to the game so it's hard to "notice" anything that's different or changed.

Why, what did it cost to buy Mastery before?

>>186388675
Healing Towers, Cull The Weak, Fortifying Strikes, etc. any kind of sustain is good, and Cull lets you clear incoming waves faster while also getting some cxp, but after the first 5-10 minutes/ end of the laning phase, you just build for your role as usual (ie tank with SacAlc, Unbroken and Godmother; Caster with Invader Mage or the % ability increase card for 8 int) and maybe leave a space free for whatever utility you've built for the oft-meme'd "counter play".

>>186389373
It used to be a flat 75k for every hero that you paid for once and got you levels 1-10.
Now you pay a minimum of 500k for almost every hero per "rank" (a rank is equivalent to one level pre v42, iirc), with heroes that have been mastered/ made it to rank 10 costing 750k to progress to rank 11.
You do get some good shit (skins, emotes, crowns, chests with cards/ gems/ the occasional key), but the whole system seems to either be poorly thought out or specifically designed to gouge new players for actual money. You'd hope it's the former, but Epic's new head Creative Director is a guy who made his name from a series of mobile games, so I'm guessing the scummy microtransaction bullshit is entirely on purpose.

>>186389845
I noticed some of them were only 150k. Maybe just the easy heroes.

Should I even play today
it's just going to be monkeyman gimmicks and le stabby ninja killing my dumbass teammates

>>186390319
I think that's for the three or four beginner heroes like Greystone and Murdock.

>>186390471
I'd say make a smurf, but you can't really. Come to think of it, that will probably hurt the game some, too: people get pretty fucking sick of waiting around at higher Elo's, and since smurfing's hard as fuck now they'll either be throwing matches to bring themselves down or just not bothering to play.

>>186390640
I started playing a few days ago and I'm like level 10-11, already see a countess/kallari every game and people with mastery 10+ with them so not a good idea

>People can't stop feeding Kallari
WOW I REALLY LOVE THIS FUCKING SHIT GAME FUCK

>>186392551
Okay, then you're kind of screwed. Give it until Tuesday and see if they address any of the insane shit, otherwise come back on September 16th for v43 and try again.

Give me a reason to play anything but Wukong. You literally can't.

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>>186393353
You can split almost as well with Countess with the added bonus of being able to delete virtually any hero with 2 easily-landed abilities on tiny cooldowns from 6 minutes in. And dat ass.
>tfw all my favourite heroes from pre42 are OP shitter bait now

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>Still missing one or two cards in every affinity.

>>186393798
You should be missing at least one in each affinity (23/24): they disabled the most broken ones before the patch went live. Makes you wonder how bad they were considering how fucking busted some of the stuff that stayed in can be.

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I saw an amazing AD carry. I feel sorry for her support.

>>186395360
Not the worst, think I had a Grim go 0-16 once.

>>186361767
i love my crunch.

>>186382087
>>186382352
try spamming athazel or durabo for it. they seem to be trying to hop on the paraporn bandwagon before it really takes off so they might be more open to it than the ones who already make other shit.

>>186395360
I swear, every Sparrow I have played with since v42 has been plain shit and only feeds till we're on the path of no return.

>>186394248
i mean echodrive would have let you double ult as countess so pretty fucking busted

>>186403434
That would be bad, but try applying it to some AOE ults, especially in voice chat:
Any combination of Aurora, Dekker, Gadget, Gideon, Howitzer or Steel doubling up their ults would be ridiculous. How in God's name that card even got beyond the initial concept stages is what I'd like to know.

>>186403434
Just make it not work for ults and i feel it would be fine

>>186401979
its not their fault you just can't really play her right now. she takes the longest to come online when carries are already worthless for the first 20 minutes and she has 0 escape options in a burst assassin meta. if the support doesn't shadow you the whole game you just get insta ulted by kallari and deded
t. salty bushqueen main

>>186403842
I think Fat Cam on the card deep dive community corner said that the design team basically would just think of a card idea and if it sounded cool they'd just say "fuck it" and put it in and see how broken it was. Just imagine how broken the ideas that didn't make it to the PTR server must have been.

>>186403930
>literal 5 second belica stuns
>grux pull into grux pull
>insta chain dark tides
>double stack gadget mines
>3.5 second kwang tether into another 3.5 second kwang tether
that card would be busted regardless

last 8 matches I've played I've had teams surrender. I'm now down below 1200. How do I fucking stop this shit.

>>186406869
pick wukong

https://www.reddit.com/r/paragon/comments/6uakso/new_dawn_balance/
Soon™

>>186406978
I can't, first pick does every time, they're usually theo nes surrendering too, with their intellect/order build.

>>186407581
pick cunty and kill the opposing teams wukong and carry enough that you can snowball

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>>186406869
Party up with me.
SSJ_Nugget on Epic, ragincajunnugz on PSN.
I'll be on eventually today, in the next hour if I don't decide to take a nap.

>>186409441
much appreciated, but I think I'm gonna take a break for a day or two, come back with hopefully a fresh mind cause I'm just getting pissed off and it's not very fun right now. I might add you when I come back though.

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what's the consensus on v42 mommy

>>186411356
no real role just like before. works best as a jungler but theres better options and your team will be be squishy as fuck unless you have a kwang or grey off which means you dont have a monkey, which means you lose if they have a monkey. still very fun to play and still has the best face hips tits and ass in the game

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>>186407114
lol
>Epic log in, say that they'll increase the average rep drop by 10% with plans for RNG mastery tokens "somehow"
>hang around long enough to get their dick sucked by one of those dozen or so unbelievably pathetic fanboys that defends literally every decision Epic makes
>declare that the gating of important content is an integral part of gathering data
>acknowledge that, in an ideal environment where you get rep in all daily challenges (will never happen) and play around a hundred matches a month, you might be able to master 3 heroes a year
>proceed to peace out while virtually nothing has changed but Reddit is still somehow pacified

man, we've been dropping off since v42. Can't tell if people are giving up or too busy playing.

>>186416748
giving up given how fucking imbalanced this trash is. Having a literal "have to pick" meta is 100% fucking cancer. Considering this update is the one they've been hyping as fixing the game, and it made everything about 80 times worse, I don't think it's going to recover from this one.

>>186416748
we went through 3 threads in a week, if anything we sped up

>>186416893
this game has literally never had anything but a "have to pick" meta

>>186417119
except you could pick murdock tb or sparrow with relative ease in v41. in v42? have to pick twinblast. In v41 you could pick phase or narbash or dekker really, in v42? have to pick muriel. mid? gideon, countess, mori, in v42? if you're not countess you will 150% lose, every single time, guaranteed. Jungle is kallari's territory. Off is wukong, every time.

if you dare EVER stray from the meta, you WILL lose. In v41 you could stand a chance, there weren't huge comebacks, but you could definitely capitalize on retarded enemies, even if they were strong, you can't do that in v42, it is 100% set in stone at the 5 minute mark.

>>186416748
All my friends have stopped playing because Kallari and Countess makes every game complete shit. I'll hang around until their community broadcast so we'll hear what they have to say.

>>186416748
I think its the former. Its the most fun I've had with this game in many months but I acknowledge it's a trash imbalanced crappy update and it made everything worse lol.

>>186418939
I agree with you but as far as mid - don't forget Belica exists with an actual early game now. If she can stop Count from getting farm and snowballing she's useless. Agreed on everything else tho.

>>186418939
if you think you could pick anyone but phase/tb/belica and be on equal levels as anyone else in 41 then you werent playing at an elo where picks actually matter. murdock in 41 cmon man at least try with your shitposting

>>186419284
I don't think you were, revenant was one I forgot about but he was easily top tier in v41 as well. I forgot because he's SO SHIT in v42, I haven't seen a single person pick him in plat since the switch.

>>186419485
you're saying countess mid, any support except phase and murdock carry was viable in 41? because it wasn't. 1500 and 1800 games are a lot different than you think they are

>>186419792
and 1800 games are not anywhere near more than 5% of the population. Which one does epic need to appeal to?

>>186419485
oh fuck off, rev/tb were the only adcs, you had to be a top 500 player to make dekker work as well as some plat shmuck's phase, and you're on some shit if you thought narbash was playable before
things are bad in v42 but try to take those rose tinted glasses off

>>186419792
Oh shut the fuck up epic has stated time and time again they dont even use ELO for matchmaking and we have no idea what they do use. If you want fucking clear as day evidence of this make a smurf, pick new to mobas, get to 1400 on agora and watch as the game still teams you up with low silver and bronzes.

I'm so sick of this stupid elo elitism when they use whatever retarded algorithm to make matches.

so how many people have uninstalled since the update?

>>186419884
1800 is barely .2% according to agora

>>186420056
>rose tinted
they're not tinted at all, the game was shit but it's far far FAR worse in v42, stop sucking epic's cock.

>>186419884
fucking 1400 games aren't even 5% of the population. everyone who plays this game is trash and 80% of the playerbase is bronze/silver.
you said a "must pick" meta is trash and then i said the game has never had anything but a "must pick" meta. dont try to backtrack into making some "think of the shitters" plea

>>186420185
you're the one who brought up elo you cocksnorkeler. Quit choking on cam's nuts and look objectively at the state of the game. Have you seen more than 1 or 2 games where the team wasn't comprised of:
>wukong
>countess
>kallari
>muriel
>iggy or tb
? Cause I haven't.

>>186420313
i won a game as narbash jungle recently.

>>186420313
>holy shit people who want to win pick the heroes who are broken and give them the best chance to win
WOOOOOOOOOWWWW
>phase
>tb
>belica
>grux/sev
>kwang/grey/zinx (for the last week)
theres every fucking comp for v40 on because this game has never had anything but a fucking "must pick" meta no matter how much you wanna scream shill

>>186418939
>adc
murdock if fighting iggy, TB
>support
narb if you don't run iggy, muriel if you do
>jungle
ramp if you need cc+tank, kwang if you want siege sustain tank, grux if you are facing kallari+countess+wukong(his double cc helps keep them locked and he can bully early game with double pain), and Kallari if you don't really need anything and just want extra burst
>offlane
wukong. Countess can also play here but if you don't snowball hard you just cost your team the win. Still hard to recommend her over monkey in any way unless you are 5 stacking and can coordinate her early feed.
>mid
iggy if you need raw damage, belica if you need cc

For diamond 5 stacks I recommend:
Wukong off
Belica mid
Ramp jg
Narb sp
MD, TB adc
or
Wukong off
Iggy mid
Grux jg
Muriel sp
MD, TB adc

>>186420552
>shill
what the FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHAT AM I SHILLING YOU RETARD.
WHY ARE YOU FUCKING DEFENDING EPIC.

>>186420615
nice reading comprehension

>>186420615
are you legitimately autistic

>>186420552
nobody picked sev until the last two weeks either, and they sure as shit didnt know how to use his stacks. every single game i played with a sevarog on either team that wasnt myself theyd barely have 90 stacks at 35 minutes

>>186416748
porn production is ramping up and epic has started releasing fanservice skins. dont worry the newfigs will come flooding in soon

>>186422672
and then immediately leave after getting killed by countess in 0.5 seconds and not being able to get items without rngesus blessing them

>>186420153
I have, but I'm looking for signs to reinstall.
Tone down the ridiculous attack speed, balance the crazier cards and heroes, return ability cooldowns to what they were, return the jungle to what it was, make the map bigger/ wider/ more.vertical and stop gouging for shekels with the insulting mastery system.
Then I'll gladly come back and even drop some money on celebratory crates into the bargain. As it is now, I can't fucking stand the game, which is a shame because I've been playing obsessively almost every day since last October.

>>186423068
Yeah, give up. They have already said that the current forced pace was intended and they like the size of the current map.

>>186422818
half of that should be fixed by 42.3

>>186423491
yeah just like how wukong was fixed since his release and how minions have been just as balanced as in other games right

What's a good endgame hand for countess? emeric and what?

>deck slots are only 20k rep
dude what

>>186424000
>emeric on countess
you want the ability pen card the stealth and the 10% ability damage OR the silence card that increases damage by 15%

>>186423384
Well that is very sad to hear.I'll hold out hope and help keep /parag/ bumped, but I'm not touching it again unless they walk back some of those changes. I'm seeing idiots on the Paragon Reddit shoot down people who bring up the sorry state of the jungle:
>I like it better now, the jungle was always too hard
>having to move in a circle when attacking the minions was so dumb, this is much better
>yeah, you shouldn't be focusing on minions anyway, you should be watching the lanes
These are the people V42 was designed to appeal to, and I'm proud to say I'm not one of them.

>>186424257
Well, you won't be buying a mastery any time soon, so I guess it's something to do to pass the time?

>>186423893
>Minions following people off the lane

This shit pisses me off SO much, does this happen in other mobas? because it's a huge problem especially when it's the little dip where gold buff is.

>>186425380
its not even remotely this bad in other mobas. other mobas also cap spawns at 7 per wave...

So, I can't unequip cursed cards, but can I replace them? Cause a lot of decks I see recommend me to go and grab cursed cards on my first back.

>>186425798
you cant get rid of them ever. theyre shit.

>>186425904
Weird, thanks.

>>186423893
wukong has only been broken since 42. before that he was just a meme

>>186427037
>hit tower twice pre 42
>it fucking dies
>can hit the core and turrets from the air

>>186427148
still a meme. theres a reason his win and pick rates tanked in plat and diamond. if they revert him to being an annoying pubstomping rat hero like he was pre42 he'd be fine. as it is now he has the best sustain, best 1v1, best wavepush, best on map objective game and best dps

>>186426035
The Regen card Can be useful on offlaners and the experience can be useful for supports. They're cheap so it's basically a matter of if you want to gimp your late game for a stronger early game.

>>186427694
the xp card is great on countess since you can combine it with the blue xp card and hit 5 and start deleting everyone asap. you won't even notice the gold cost since you make it back in kills easily

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>>186420606
>support
>Iggy
pre 42 hell even New Dawn i'll tell you this is retared that is until I played with my Japanese friends. One game one of them tried to assure me he would play as he called it "Super support Iggy" These guys are good so I trusted him. Not only did he play smart (Japanese players also do watch EVO these fuckers are smarter than you) He kept him mana up while the enemy iggy spammed his had to back constantly or just straight up get ran out of lane. We won and that friend got tired when it was me and the other on the next game I struggled to come up with a GOOD support as I saw we were going up against Wukong. Didn't have a deck for iggy but for some reason the default is U/W which has wards, As usual we won, brought back them good feels like LEGACY iggy feels as melee heroes just straight up can't deal.

Iggy makes such a damn good support I can't believe that shit. even without wards your turret placed behind you will still alert you of retards trying to gank and give them spicy butthole.

>>186428175
I meant if you are running iggy mid, pick muriel. Otherwise narb is generally better. Don't run iggy support, that's just wasting his entire kit and potential.

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AGORA'S DOWN

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Tfw have a 38% win rate this season but have gained elo because the majority of my losses are to teams with higher elo

>>186427694
>support "late game"
Games last less than a half hour since the update: you might have made it to 60 in an especially long game pre-patch, but not a chance in hell of that happening now.

>>186430683
isn't elo cap fun?

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How does /parag/ feel about my waifu?

>>186432679
I enjoy how she's worthless at level 1, then becomes absolutely fucking god tier again at level 2.

>>186432679
has no ass or tits, ruined the game for the past 2 months and is tash tier now. shit in every way

>>186418939
>major overhaul update
>why is the game so imbalanced? ebin wtf

It's like you've only been playing for a month, you should have been playing when the top tier heroes had >60% winrates and the trash tier heroes had <40% winrates

>>186433247
>for months they've had it in testing, including bringing some "pros" and popular streamers/youtubers to try it out, then the PTR
>still 0 balancing done

>>186432679
Sombra > Laura > Phase

>>186433536
No anon, a two week long private test with the most respected players in the community does not provide enough data to make balance changes for arguably the most important patch in the game's history. Except for the cards they actually did remove while leaving other broken things in because shut up and buy a mastery.

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>have 750 coins on PS4
>only 100 on PC
What the fuck?

>>186434127
>confusing your less than and greater than sign

HA HA

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>>186434127
It's actually

Laura > Sombra > Phase

>>186434575
coins arent shared across the platforms because sony takes a percentage of the money on ps4. anything you buy will be shared though.

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>Wraith isn't goo-

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>>186403974
This
>Be Sparrow
>Want to help team
>Only way to help is to be carry
>Team is dying left and right
>Getting flamed for not rotating
>If I rotate, I fall behind enemy carry in level and gold
>Ricing as fast as I can
>Finally fulfill my bush destiny at 30 min into game against toxic teammates
>Win, finally
It's hard out here for a bushbro

I have the Mad Max skin for Twinblast, but I never rolled it or bought it. I had it highlighted during a match a few months ago and the game froze. When I closed it and opened it back up, I had that skin in the match. Now it's been unlocked permanently. Should I mention this to Epic? Will they give me free shit for being a good goy?

>>186432679
Sparrow?
She cool

>>186438074
they'll give you an EPIC reward of 10 coins

>>186434831
THICC
When are we gonna get a delicious brown Amazon warrior in Paragon

>>186438074
Send a ticket, they'll probably leave the skin on your account.

I had a similar issue in early access where I crashed trying to pick a gid skin, and then had it. I didn't have the coins to buy it, but I click buy all the same. Game crashed, sent a ticket, they said "looks like you managed to bypass buying it, keep the skin, thanks for the report".

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>>186439250
>zechin warrior mommy skin

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>>186439250
Beats me, we're due for one though and not just a skin

Do you keep the stats from things like Growth Totem and Tyrant when you sell them?

>>186440568
Yes, and no.

>>186440594
So I don't know if you are right person to answer this but I have been using a more damage oriented Rampage build with Unbroken, Trapper, and Sacred Alchemy is my final 3 and it has been working pretty well.

How well do the self damaging card work with Rampage like Sorvukk Initiate and Withering Shadow. I was thinking it would be a good way to deal with Wukongs.

>>186440594
>>186440568
you dont keep either

>>186358673
oldcardsystemfags btfo and finished

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>carries come online 25m into the match
>games last 28-30
>by the time you're able to NOT be completely useless the game is already decided
>"carry"

>>186441152
you keep growth, but not tyrant.

>>186441047
scrap sacred alchemy, replace with vital waters or mallenks tribute. Vital waters increases healing effects by 15%, mallenks tribute gives shield for healing (something you'll do a lot more than laying the basic smackdown on someone)

>>186441597
you dont keep either of them go idle in a bot game and try it out. growth totem is a shitter bait card considering matches dont even last long enough for it to have better thats than a regular card and its basically cursed.

>>186441597
I'll go with Vital waters thanks for the heads up bud.

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>Wraith in mid

>Narbash jungling

>Grux in off

>Khaimera in off

>Feng in off

>Kallari in safe

>>186441730
I did test it, it was working as 42 flat, unless they changed it in 42.1 it works through the whole match. All the same, it's not a horrible card if you've got shit for cards and need something to sit in your hand while you build stats for your endgame hand.

>ping in the region setting is always less than 75
>ping in game is always over 120
ebin plz

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>Every fucking game my ADCs are fucking worthless
>Enemy team has Kallari or Countess or Jewkong
>TFW don't have any of the meta gems or cards so every match is like pulling fucking teeth
Man, great fucking game this turned into.

>>186446538
try being under level 25, my man. I had every single card, and dupes of many before v42, I just only played one or two matches a day. Now I'm missing like 5-6 gems and at least 10 cards till I grind my level out, I had hundreds of chests that I was going to save for that express purpose, since I had a feeling they'd try to level gate. But I wasn't given the opportunity. So I have over 100+ of some of the rarest fucking cards you can get but I'm still missing god damned trapper.

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thot bump

Is it just me or does the game suck even more than before now?

>>186449676
the more i play it the more i like it but i seem to be in the minority on that
>>186449317
she's got some serath level dsl's at least

>>186449676
It does but it really depends on how competitive the match is. If everyone is bad or just fucking around it can be fun.

>>186449317
perfect

>>186450824
the 1 out of 20 games you dont have to worry about a monkey taking an inhib if you leave the lane he's in for more than 5 seconds or a countess getting a triple kill as soon as she hits 5 the game is amazingly fun. i think 2 months from now when they've hopefully balanced out the cards and heroes everyone will see that the core game is better.

Does Iggy not scale with Power or is the UI bugged? It doesn't seem to show an increase in damage in any of his abilities when you get more Power.

>>186454553
The UI is all fucked up and doesn't show anything. You can't see your stats or what cards even do while the're equipped.
On top of that why does my passive 10% damage block say it's only going to block 9.3 damage and why does Shinbi's circle rhythm healing scale with 0% of my power at all levels?

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>>186441954
I can do better

>Feng Mao mid
I shit you not this shitter had the gall to say "I got this don't worry" at the beginning
>Kallari safe instead of jungling
well get to this later
>Rev in off
Joined me even though I told him to go to his narbash

The Narbash was the only other smart player and told rev to join him the other 3 idiots ruined that game for us, I told him coldly that "it doesn't matter we were fucked from the start with the comp and to accpet the lose and save yourself some stress"

>>186429186
Not if the enemy offlaner is wukong, what is narbash going to do to a sacred alchemy Wu if your carry is dead or team won't rotate?

>>186457229
If wukong comes online your team has lost regardless. They'd have to throw to lose. his thunk does help a little with wukong though and if you bait the push, thunk him out of cloudwalk and ult you can zone him decently for the team. But yeah, can't do much against wukong without cc chains and voip communication/luck.

>>186457734
Kallari can deal pretty well with Wukong. Kallari's base stats plus her active abilities make her able to fight Wukong in a 1vs1.

is serath's bush red or blonde

>>186461971
depends on which form she's in

>Epic opens their mouth on Reddit
>no shit masteries cost more, you get like 200k free rep a week just for logging in

>Reddit goes completely insane

>>186463067
matching or a reverse then?

>>186464901
the mastery bullshit is so indefensible even the reddit cocksuckers can't damage control it

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>Godmother vigilant on any tank character
>laugh as dumb enemies waste their ults on you

>>186449676
It sucks right now because nothing is balanced atm
I'm not playing until next patch since Epic already confirmed changes

>>186465019
I finally read their announcement and I can't believe it. Why are they going to insist on a system that rewards you more for not playing the game than playing the game? What if I don't want to autistically log in every single day without skipping a beat to get the next big rep bonus? And if leveling my character doesn't matter why am I sitting at this 45 second long results screen, that's just inconvenient enough to make me consider quitting the game, just to watch my progress get thrown away?

Someone used Smite as an example. In smite logging in every day gave you something like 300 premium currency a week which let you buy whatever skin you wanted or a new character every other week. Plus the $30 founders pack unlocked every character forever unlike Paragon's which only gets you the first 10 ranks.

What about HotS the failed game that managed to quickly climb up into the top 5? You get free shit including characters every 5-10 games you play. And yes 99% of it is pure garbage that was removed from the game and added later to inflate the box but every duplicated gives you free currency to buy whatever skin you like and most of them are dirt cheap. Maybe you have to pay for characters but I think the free rotation is up to 14 dudes and you earn enough money to buy the new character each month as they come out or 5 of the cheaper ones.

And these fucks act like their cash shop garbage is just so Epic that it's worth hundreds of hours of your time. Mastery has to be so expensive because you're getting those premium (eyesore) banners, and loot crate keys. Apparently rank 11 is 750k because it gets you a gold key. I finally got this incredibly rare loot crate and key together and my reward is a garbage Kallari skin that changes the dark grey plates of her armor into dark mauve that you'd never notice in game. Do remember that the incredible amount of work that goes into each skin is why they refused custom/community skins since the beginning, not jewing.

>>186471756
the changes are in two weeks next patch is just gonna be skins

>>186471756
>>186472575
Have they said what they're gonna do

>>186473224
Not everything but mostly balance and bug fixing

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>>186461971
Blonde when Holy, red when Unholy

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Who has the best bush?

>>186474253
Countess because she's not a degenerate

>>186440003
Stfu nigger.

Mommy is a white christian.

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>>186475197
She would kill you in an instant, coward.

Yo Wukong is pretty fun. I can jump over that high ass wall near t2 on the off/safe lanes near the stairs. The vertical plain in this game is really cool!

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>>186474630
>no bush
>not a degenerate

Countess is for pedophiles, guy

>>186475734
She would accidentally kill me during her orgasm when she ults.

>>186464901
>>no shit masteries cost more, you get like 200k free rep a week just for logging in
Unless you're a new player. There are literally 0 reputation bonuses in login rewards in the first 15 days.

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>>186476336
The bushmemes have infested your brain, you poor thing.
Everyone knows Countess is #1

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>>186479859
http://www.strawpoll.me/13660250/r
kek

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literally perfection

Do any of you guys cheese the new cards or do you prefer not to play?

>>186481754
>a general infested by bushmemers have shit opinions
wooooow

>>186474253
Obviously Serath or Sparrow

>>186482069
Sauce?

>>186483520
Bush is life

>Finally plat
I feel like slightly less of a shitter now, but it's still hollow.

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>>186485383
Be warned, much higher and you will regret ever climbing this mountain. 15+ minute queues to be put against the same 5 stack that is 400+ average elo above your rag tag group of soloq. If only the -1 elo loss you will be guaranteed didn't also last 13 minutes often making your queues last longer than your games. Everyone hates everyone here so you will be flamed constantly for playing even the slightest non-meta shit or even just flamed to be flamed. People will hate you for no reason and automatically dodge you in future drafts (even if they played worse in whatever game they picked you to acid vomit at) sending you back into queue hell.
And now, smurfs have become trash because epic can't let new players have nice things. You can't get the fuck away from it. 1600 is magic but throw a few if you have to and steer clear of 1650.

>>186464915
Now that, anon, is a good question.

>>186475783
Not to be a cunt, but look at footage of the old Legacy map and imagine playing Wukong on that. Kallari is probably the closest equivalent example.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g1qZVkSIjtw

>>186486004
Be like me and 5 stack with low elo players. I carry everyone to victory, especially now that there are never any smurfs around.

The only downside is you can't ever play solo past midnight. I've waited over 30 minutes before and watched a movie instead.

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>>186487078
>5 stack with low elo players. I carry everyone to victory
Want to play with me, anon? I'm a lvl 48 bot shitter

What does the star icon on the bottom right of the character portrait mean?

>>186489467
Send a request to >>186409441
We might have room for 1.

>>186489954
scrub ass character for bitches.

>>186491659
Agreed

>>186482915
I don't play.

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>>186409441
>ragincajunnugz
I remember you from /bbg/

Just won with my first time as Support Aurora with Death/Growth.
Zechin main card and whatever else I could do to be annoying as possible
It was more interesting than fun

>>186495804
I don't really get playing support. If my carry didn't autistically walk forward and hold M1 with the free last hits from the death card he would never be in danger of being attacked and wouldn't need me to sit there doing nothing until the jungler shows up.

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Is there a cheesy meme (like sacred alc + vamp blade) build for Aurora? I have all the cards except creeping death

>>186497182
You could initiate with invisibility and hit the enemy team with redzone while they're frozen and can't fight back.

>>186494690
AWAY AWAY
I was surprised to see the general up still and the servers active enough for my twink. I miss the good old days.

>dude just adapt or fuck off lmao
>the game's more strategically complex than it's ever been git gud

>>186496932
Yeah that's why I never play support. I just play Belica and if they're pushing the lane like a retard I take their last hits. That way someone who at least knows what they're doing can have the farm.

Its just so crazy how many people don't even think about lane equilibrium or even fucking matchups. Like Jesus if we're laning against Wukong we need to prevent him from getting exp as much as possible and you the carry need to come online asap. So let him come all the way to our fucking tower and at level 2 or 3 his squishy ass dies immediately if he gets stunned.

Nope, better push the lane and do .00000005% damage to the tower like I'm doing something productive .

>>186497319
devilish

>>186498993
it is its just also horribly imbalanced at the same time

>>186490042
>that lingo

t. playstation gamer of ill repute

slow day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mBdqsKqLI

>>186506141
steel mid, suicide carry muriel, offlane khai, cam is breaking out all types of new metas in this cc

If the pastebin is still active add me, new player to paragon. Played a few mobas (league, smite, hots). Id: vardevar PC NA

>>186509007
Also voice chat preferred, I want to hear your reeeeees

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>>186506141
>nerfing wukong's escape and passive
>not his ult

>>186506141
I really don't understand why they think outlander scout is some kind of magic bullet. It works against Kallari because she loses her damage when you reveal her. It doesn't work against Countess or any other character that's naturally good but can use the stealth to get better positioning. And then they have a card that gives HP regen and armor while you're using 1/3 of your build on a card that doesn't give any stats and you lose 1000g if you ever die or feel like temporarily using a better card.
Finder of Playthings likewise has weak stats for a 7 cost card and there aren't enough objectives for it to be more useful than putting two wards down every 5 minutes for 300g. Using it offensively sucks because it activates whether you target someone or not and defensively the other team knows you don't have any vision every 90 seconds.

how do I play countess? Cause that "burst to death at 5" meme is just shit, it does maybe 500 damage total, and every char spawns in with more than 500.

>>186511734
With Countess you want to go in after the teamfight has already started and pick of stragglers. After you have done that and you are sufficiently fed THEN you can start initiating and bursting people down.

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>>186506141
Summary for anyone who doesn't want to listen to Cam say "like" every 3rd word for 25 minutes
>42.3 will feature buffs for Gideon and Wraith along with nerfs for Iggy, Wukong, Kallari and Kwang
>Gideon's ult is being looked at so you dont instantly die if you use the ult in the middle of a fight
>Countess only has a win rate of 48-50% and is not currently being changed, most of the trouble people have with her is because of Shadow Dancer
>Shadow Dancer and some other cards are also getting changes in 42.3
>It took 3 months for their internal playtesters to really figure out the new card system so they want everyone to "experiment more"
>The current systems intention is that it allows "Anyone to play any role" though they know that some heroes fit certain specific roles better than others.
>Blue and Green "Need better vision options" Vision however does not necessarily mean detecting anyone who's in stealth at all times
>The stealth system currently in the game is getting completely changed at some point later in development because the counter to being stealthed having someone else being stealthed is "bad for the game" Shadow Dancer being the best counter to Shadow Dancer shouldn't be a thing
>If you're running white you need to run Lamp Lighter and drop wards no matter what role you are. "Everyone wants vision, but no one wants to buy it"
>v43 will begin the process of changing at least some part of the kit for over 20 heroes by the end of December. Aurora specifically was mentioned as her Ult and ice circle will be faster and have a larger AOE.
>Nothing about Masteries and new player onboarding except "We're monitoring it"

>>186514852
Oh I forgot
>"Anyone who invests a full 25 points into Agility is intended to take a tower out in 4-5 seconds its not a Wukong specific thing

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>>186514852
God I hate Cam.
Well, no reason to come back for at least another few weeks: guess I'll work on the whole "improving myself" thing instead of spending 6 hours a day on a godawful video game.

A thought arises, faggots:if vision was too ubiquitous, why not simply nerf their duration and charge? The armoured ward has one charge anyway, iirc (and I may be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's how it used to be on some version of Legacy: potions at least used to come with only one charge early on).

>>186517596
thats still 5 wards down at any one time. on a map as small as mono that leaves no room for ganks or stealth

Does Gate of Salvation even work? I've never seen the healing effect even once.

>>186518268
What if they cut everyone's movement speed by like 50% so you can't rotate to counter gank every 8 seconds?

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ded thred

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>>186520221
ded gaem
tnx ebin
>"we expect it will take three months for players to really get used to v42"
Go fuck yourself, Cam.

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>>186514852
let's get this shit started
>Buffs Gideon, Wraith
Gideons boulder already hurts like a mother fucker his ult doing less dmg is fine as it's AOE, just like gatdets and howies it's for team fights that feels fine, Wraith is already strong and can 3 shot with knock with just Atomic soldier
>nerfs Iggy kwang
Iggy has like infinite turrest and their range is further than most ranged carries can hit safely having to wait for minions to engage him is stupid, but Kwang? I've gone up on a lot of builds even ssacred and ls he doesn't feel as strong with them as Wu, looks like /yourboi/ is a /fucboi/ now, FINALLY got nerfed

>Shadow dancer
Should've been nerco veil 2.0 to begin with

>THREE FUCKING MONTHS
this proves EPIC "internal testers" are fucking dumb just get YT's to do this shit Capcom hires actual FGC players to help balance their games see Combofiend with SFV and Marvel Infinite. FFS we get retards

>Heroes fit roles better than other s
YOU DON'T SAY?! stop pushing this play your way bs Blizzard doesn't and people love Overwatch same with LoL you don't see "support jungle" bs ONLY IN PARAGON

>U/G need vision but not detecting stealth
LET'S HAVE NO COUNTERS TO SHADOW PLANE EVERYONE BALANCED

>W vision
MAYBE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE THREE FUCKING SLOTS AND THAT CRIPPLES YOUR POWER WHY COUNT AND KAL AND WU ARE RUNNING THREE CARDS MAKING THEM INVINCIBLE, HOW ABOUT PUTTING USEFUL STATS ON WARDS SO YOU'RE NOT SO UNDERPOWERED?!

>20 heroes retun
YOU MEAN LEGACY CHARACTER STILL STRUGGLE ON MONOLITH? DAMN SHOULD"VE RETUNED THEM INSTEAD OF #EVERYTHREEWEEKS AND BROUGHT THEM UP TO OP CHARACTERS LIKE SAY PHASE!

fuck this game is dead now, this isn't the end but you can see it from here, this LITERALLY proves the dev team is incompetent as fuck


Reddit and the EPIC forums better be calling them out on this shit. I want heads to roll but I especially want CAM and the whole internal testing team fired.

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>my queen is getting a negligible buff
feels pretty good family

>>186520784
>thinking gideons ult is good
>thinking wraith is good
>still building max power and cards for stats and not utility
>still thinking phase is OP
>thinking combofiend and woshige did anything but ruin SF5
silver shitter in multiple games detected

>>186520784
Well, to be fair, SFV and MvC:I haven't been received well, so...
Still, you're right about a few things there. I don't think Reddit are giving them enough shit (there's always that one Kamikozy dicksucker in every thread down on his knees going to work, and that seems to set the tone), and that's a problem.
I very much want to play Paragon again, but not like this. Staying uninstalled was pretty tough, but I remind myself that I just don't enjoy the game anymore. They did me a favour by confirming that they're sticking to their retarded vision for the foreseeable future, because now I can kind of put the game to the back of my mind for a while.

>>186520754
>three months
Topkek

Do they really think players will wait that long to get used to a game?

No, they won't. I quitted after like 10 games, i tried to give the update a chance, but i just can't get into it and that's it for me.

>>186521405
>can't explain why it's bad
>a character with built in vision in a game lacking it is bad
>Yes because gimping yourself vs someone going full power always wins
>Phase WAS OP context
>No one complains much about the balance in SFV just the fact crapcom fucked up rushed it and left out features

Dumbass detected.

I'm bout to run mid khai intellect w/ cryo agent and OPD because ourguy BASED Cam told me any hero can play anywhere in any role get fucked dodgers hope you like 24h penalties

>>186522887
>no one complains much about the balance in SFV
Not even him take your ass back to FGG gold shitter. Literally everyone complains about the balance of SFV and has been doing so since last year.

>>186523251
Name the OP characters in SFV besides Charlie

>>186523387
>Charlie
>Op
you're fucking retarded and have no idea what you're talking about.

>>186523387
actual ACTUAL 17er spouting bs he heard on reddit/fgg once

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Damn ever since I got good I never thought so many players were so shit at the game lmao. Hearing about the shit they complain about outs them INSTANTLY. Goddamn /parag/

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how do we fix mommy

>>186521850
I played 25 matches and hated every one of them, and I think that was being generous on my part. Managed a 3.88 KDA with Kwang (not too far from where I left off on v41), but the game feels awful to play, and that's before taking things like balance into account.

>>186523914
????

>>186523610
>Doge
Man, feel the room. That shit was pure Reddit-tier the second it was released, and has only become more so with age.

>>186523914
>IMG_4136
Dude what the fuck

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>>186523387
>Name the OP characters in SFV besides Charlie
What the fuck?
Nigga Karin btfo of Nash, almost anyone that can stuff his wake up and out footsies him with better buttons and can chase his zoning down
Are you a silver in sfv too?
Also if you need a list of actual characters
>Laura, Urien, Guile, FANG, Bison, Cammy, Akuma, Ibuki, Balrog and Karin
Granted alot of those characters are just flat out dominant but the point stands

>All this eSport and competitionfag butthurt ITT

I'm glad I'm a player that just enjoys science fiction, waifus and hypnotizing on lore gaps while playing my free game.

>>186521850
>>186524385
A previous anon supercharged my autism when I read
>Carries are now hyper carries and come online late into the game
So instead of rotating and doing whatever the fuck I wanted pre v42 I now farm and rice like I'm on farmersonly
It's made playing carry more enjoyable but still a goddamned annoying

>>186523914
>His stomach fills the curve in her back
He must lay pipe like a god

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>>186514852
>>The current systems intention is that it allows "Anyone to play any role" though they know that some heroes fit certain specific roles better than others.
>>The current systems intention is that it allows "Anyone to play any role"
>"Anyone to play any role"
FIRST JUNGLE NOW MIDLANE
NARBASH PLAYING DRUMS IN THE SPOTLIGHT
LIKE HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE
LET'S GO

>>186525398
Why the fuck does Narbash ult do so much damage.

>>186525398
First he bangs the drum, then he bangs yer mum.

>>186522887
>>186523387
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I PLAY ONE MATCH AND COME BACK TO THIS
holy shit i was wrong you're not a silver shitter you're a fucking bronze scrub

>>186524889
I liked a bit of a relaxed laning phase before things got real, but there's no skill to even that anymore with Cull The Weak (which is virtually the only card an ADC should take, since points into any other attribute at level 1 are pointless). Same with the jungle, there's no skill ceiling, which I guess is meant to make ganks happen faster and games to go quicker. The game's got no teeth anymore for fuck's sake.

>>186525398
Khaimera is now an offlaner, no joke.

>>186525769
Lemme see that Khaimera offlane deck brev.

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>>186523914
we make the porn creators give her her glorious thick bush

>>186525665
Cam addressed the jungle changes on the CC, its so anyone can play the role without getting murdered instead of only a few heroes

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>>186526089
>No futa Mori fucking Fey

>>186526276
Mori is pure do not define her with such degenerate thoughts.
Now futa ice queen Aurora showing Serath who the true dominant female is sign me up for that

>>186526014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzVckfSKpmU
Winston's in love with the idea, because fuck defined roles amirite

>>186526270
...what? You could jungle with almost anyone pre-patch, the idea was that it just wasn't a great idea.
You saw Aurora, Shinbi, Serath Kallari and Yin jungle, and even though most of those were terrible as opposed to a real jungler, they could work depending on the team comp. The jungle was not deigned for Narbash or Wraith man, come on: what the fuck was the point of those mini role breakdowns in the loading screens if everyone can play any role?
>the offlane is for durable heroes who can survive against the odds
etc.

>>186525665
This
Not to mention that if there's a wukong on the enemy team, any attention taken away from getting the carry online as fast as possible can snowball into getting reamed

>>186525450
IMO it should
►melee range so he has to get close
►huge hitbox
►support character so not devious dmg abilities
►channeled ult so a stun will end it

Hell if anything his ult is one of the most balanced in the game.

>>186526943
They say they're nerfing Wukong's kit and numbers, but it's his interaction with SacAlc and Emerich that are the problem. Then again, this is the internal team that took three months to figure out this braindead new system, so I suppose expecting them to know what they're doing is asking a bit much.

>>186526927
Like I said in my rundown they specified that anyone can now do any role, they acknowledge that certain heroes will be usually be better at certain roles but they didn't want to structure the game experience around limiting people which is why you don't have to kite the jungle minions and stuff like that. The example Cam gave was someone in their recent playtests playing Muriel mid and shielding themselves while using the suicide black cards and operating kind of as a carry

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>>186516452
This isn't an investment you fucking twats, it is literally the only way to build certain roles and heroes because it allows you to melt towers. What else are you going to build on an adc? Fucking red zone? This investment bullshit is just a way for them to say they want literally anyone to be able to end the game in 20 minutes because that is what's required for bronze shitters to fucking finish a game under 2 hours.
>Wukong should be able to solo orb if he invests...
Invests in shit he was going to build regardless. It isn't like they are picking between teamfight or objective damage. What is good for one is good for the other so you are forced to build it and you fucks call that investment. Not a single fucking person is running Agi/Vit or Agi/Int carries or wukongs you daft fuckers. It isn't that we don't experiment, it is because it is fucking bad.
You act like there is so much depth to be explored but your item system is shallow and most of the meta builds that will continue to be broken were discovered shortly after the leaks and even before the patch dropped. We have all played MOBAs for fucking years, yours isn't special. Quit being fucking stupid and stop letting tencent turn this into a god damn mobile game.

>>186526927
Anyone can be durable now just build VIT and equip Godmother Vigilant :^ )

>>186527560
Yeah, I swear, the number of times I thought I was a genius for ulting an enemy team from invis, only to get instantly stunned out of it? Narbash is pretty balanced. That said, no support should really be considered a good source of damage (like fucking Tainted Phase).

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>>186527883
>not building pure INT Sparrow so you can Gag Order the Countess who has already killed you 7 times.
ADAPT

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>>186527815
>black cards and operating kind of as a carry
>0.3 dmg scal
>carry

>>186528027
but gag order fucks up my vigilant mother elevated jungle sparrow

A N Y R O L E
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>if anyone can play any role you can have 3 carries no matter who you pick
i think i figured out cam's master plan

>>186528236
>vigilant mother elevated jungle sparrow

I just watched this entire community corner. Is cam and his 'internal testing team' in silver? I feel like the shit he talks about and the shit I play above elo cap are different games.

>>186527815
People played Muriel mid in the v41 tournaments, and it worked fine because the team was built around it. Letting people in solo queue decide they're going to play a character in a role they're clearly not suited for will only end in pissed off teammates 90% of the time.

As for the jungle, I'm sorry, but if you think removing the kiting to accommodate for off-meta junglers is a good thing, I have to disagree. My point was that off-meta jungle picks existed before, and could work, but only if the person doing it was good. Now that you don't have to kite, and the minions do next to no damage, there's nothing stopping anyone from jungling (which is not a good thing). Jungle is a role that you used to have to learn, just like offlaning (and midlaning, to a certain extent): kiting minions to maximise your health retention in order to challenge the river at 3 minutess and then trying for a gank was a skill. Making the intiial clear and getting to level three before 3 minutes was a skill.
Observing lanes and knowing where you would need to rotate while maintaining an efficient farm was a skill.
Picking Sevarog and doing all of the above while also grinding stacks (which in itself was a skill) was massively rewarding, and was something that took practise and experience.
Literally none of this is present in v42, and Sevarog should be lucky to get any stacks at all with how fast things are now.

Opening up roles is all well and good, but not at the expense of the skill involved in actually playing the roles, because that defeats the entire point.

>>186528898
>pissed off teammates
F

>>186528898
wasn't disagreeing with you just relaying their reasoning behind the changes

I know we're all meme spouting and having fun here but anyone think this will end Paragon?

I noticed that DOTA was the king of Moba then got overtaken by LoL, both are traditional, Smite is also "traditional" in terms of roles and mechanics at least and is doing much better than Paragon at least in terms of views

So basically I figure why not go the traditional route on roles and drop this "play your way" shit as it's obviously killing the game.

EPIC is still a company and business and they want to make money sure, but you're not going to when your competitors understand what works and are tailoring their games and communities towards that.

Maybe it's all Tencent maybe it's Cam either way outside of EA and Ubisoft I have never wanted to see another company go the way of ATARI and Konami as hard as I do with EPIC right now.

>cam defends shadow dancer
>defending efficient non-conditional universal stealth mechanics
Stealth should be integral to a heroes kit and their kit balanced accordingly or should be available at cost with strict conditionals - see veilstepper. Stealth is a frustrating mechanic and vision is not a strict counter. Shadow dancer has decent stats and forces the other team to invest in vision which has poor stats and scaling. Shadow dancer is useful all game, outlander scout isn't. If your entire team is spamming 300g wards just to counter one player with dancer then that stealth is also draining economy from an entire team for free. This isn't fun or quirky. Stop having your 'counterbuilds' be strictly worse and less useful than the things causing the need to counterbuild. There is a reason shadow dancer is the best counter to shadow dancer. It is because it is fucking broken and unhealthy for the game.

>>186530146
Vision is OP as hell, git gud silver shitter

>>186529127
Ah, right. Let's say my wall of pretentious fucking text was for posterity then.

>>186529906
I hope it doesn't kill the game, but if enough people leave to "protest" the changes, there's a good chance a lot of them just won't come back. I want to see Epic change a lot of what they've done, but they don't seem inclined to do that, and people leaving is the only thing that will achieve that. The question is (assuming that ever happened), would it be too late? How many people would just not care enough to come back?