/aog/ - Attorney Online General

>time travel rape case actually goes well

Who would have thought?

Is it time to die already?

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>>186054096
Yes

Dungeons and Dragons format when

>>186059330
You know who would just kill it, don't bother.

GET READY FOR MY SUICIDAL ATTEMPT AT CHANGING IT UP

This week I will be running 10 (fucking TEN!) new written CTs. 2 back to back every day for 5 days starting tuesday.

Buckle the fuck in.

>>186062025
>changing it up by doing the exact same thing
ok

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What "secret" emotes are there? I know about Iris Fey's gun/kid mode and Layton's gun, but what other emotes require ini editing to use?

>>186062025
s c h e d u l e

>>186066420
>require ini editing to use
what

>>186062025
ADD IT TO THE SCHEDULE YOU KEKOLD

>>186059330
Fuck that, kingdom death monster format when?

>>186066420
Chiaki's swim suits. L'Belle's different hair colors

>>186066420
Crazy naoto

>>186091807
Is hutch the best meme?

>>186098619
The best meme is Kay "Autismus Maximus" Faraday

>>186098989
That's a shit meme though

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>>186101439
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

>>186102108
Kay will be gone when summer ends

>gets banned for being underage
>comes back with the same ooc

Is this a special kind of autism?

>>186108991
Kids are dumb. Especially those who don't think to read the rules

>>186108991
Who?

>>186112267
ERPearl/PearlyLayton

>>186062025
PUT IT ON THE FCUKCSDINB SHCELDUVLDH ALREADY YOU SFHVCHX

should /aog/ die?

All it takes is one person to fuck up a whole case.

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>>186116858

>>186116858
DID someone just fuck up a case?

>>186116858
>All it takes is one person that everyone else refuses to work around to fuck up a whole case
Fixed that for you

>Started peanutbanting midcase because they were bantering like it was recess about how it didn't seem like a turnabout
I'm sorry but holy fuck, play less loungy music when bullying the defense and maybe I would tell the difference between recess and (((CASE)))

>>186120986
Maybe read the status.

>>186120986
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE STATUS SAID CASING.

>>186120986
You can come back in a day.

>>186121134
>>186121168
I was in the room for the past hour at least, and last I checked it was recess, and the tone didn't change in the slightest from what I kept track of, so it seemed evident that it was still recess.

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>>186120986
>>186121503
>Enter area
>idle in it
>not actively knowing what the status is, and not checking beforehand
>expecting no retaliation for basically failing every single task that would let you know if the area was casing, such as
* Checking /status
* Asking OOC
* checking /area

>>186119885
No, one person really can fuck everything up.

>>186120986
this is only justifiable if the status itself is recess. you were in the wrong.

>>186122972
I'm not saying I was in the right or the people just trying to case were in the wrong, I'm saying that I felt completely fooled.
I'll shut up now. Enjoy the case.

>4 hours
>JUST got to first wit CE

Jury trials were a mistake.

>>186126769
What the fuck

>>186126868
The detective fucked up the case with >>>pullies

bumpu

>>186122624
There are no rules other than those decided on entirely by the participants. One person only has as much sway as the rest of the players let them have

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>>186130468
That's very easy to say in ignorance of the various cases where one person has sent a case spiraling downhill.

>>186130468
The jury case that took 4 hours to get to wit 1 was ruined by the detective.

>>186126769
>>186133375
How are jury trial to blame here though?

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We need some people for a JoJo part 2 AAI. Lead Rival and Steno are needed. The meme role is open too.

L'Belle removal when?

>>186139227
never he's the best character reeeeeeeeee

Is this a JoJo reference?

>>186141736
Life is a JoJo reference.

who actually watches case recordings
how much of them are watched fully

>>186143908
Little and none, respectively. I could give analytics for specific videos if you're interested

>>186143908

I like to watch highlights from previous cases because I can't case anymore because of real life obligations so don't take that from me anon.

>>186133375
The judge, prosecution, and defense each have the power to end a cross examination early and send the detective out. The fault lies also with them for being ignorant of that power, or simply refusing to use it for the sake of following the standard formula of going completely through the detective before moving on to an actual witness. They could have sent him away in character at any time, and muted/reported him if he refused to leave, but they chose not to, even at the expense of the case.

>>186145347

Honestly, most of the blame lies with judges in these situations. They should be most aware of that power, and while I didn't see this specific trial, most judges don't play the role to you know, "judge and keep the trial going quickly" so much as play the role as "peanut who gets to bantz in IC". It's been an issue for as long as the server's existed.

>>186145347
He had contradictions that broke the case, don't play this coy game of "oh yeah just throw the detective out this is fine he's not at fault".

>>186147371
Witness have been kicked and their testimonies expunged. Time machines, both figurative and literal, have been used in cases to undo horrible mistakes. The actions of one shit individual can always be overturned, fixed, or ignored by others. It's just a matter of how much effort it involves and people's willingness to make said effort. Also, the fact that I'm even suggesting he be thrown out means that I don't think he's not at fault. But whether the contradiction was solely from his testimony or an inherent problem with the case, the fault lies with not only the person who made the mistake, but the people with the capacity and ability to correct it that didn't

H H H RETURN OF ESL FEEN.

>>186148801
You also seem to avoid the fact that one person can kill the will and drive to continue by their actions. But no, throwing them out will make it all fixed, somehow.

>There are 2 on going CT chronos
>There's a third going to start
What the fuck have you created?

>>186150356
If a person's will to continue was drained at the first real part of a trial, they clearly did not have that much to begin with. I've seen plenty of cases where a person's fuckups were the straw that broke the camel's back, but they were always followed by long stretches of other mistakes and bad players that built up to it. Through the 4 hours that was spent on the detective, I can't think of a single moment on that timeline where the detective fucks up where it could solely be his fault.
Fuck up at the beginning? It's clear he's not worth having and should be skipped.
Past an hour? The defense has already gone over the usual time it takes to go through the detective, so they're at fault for dragging the cross-examination for so long even before the problem happens.
Before the one hour mark? That means you spent over 3 hours arguing over one particular thing, when most cases don't even have that much time total of the benches actually discussing topics in the case unless there's some heavy circular arguments

>>186148801
Yeah improv is a style known for its practitioners ignoring new elements brought into their improv session when it inconveniences them.

>>186152252
You clearly didn't watch the case, because there were multiple things the detective fucked up that the defense explained, and the prosecution realized all of it at the first wit contradiction.

They literally gave up because shit was so nonsensical.

>>186153247
As much as it's known for its practitioners continuing to do something after it's become clear it's not worth doing because that's how things were done before

>>186153532
If we're going to ignore improv when it inconveniences us, we might as well just do premade cases.

>>186153641
You mean like we've been doing for a while, where the case is not allowed to start until everyone's pre-written their testimonies, opening statements, rebuttals and banter quips?

>>186154062
No? Plenty of people improv tasties, opening statements, and the rest.

To the person who spammed the witness testimony button roughly 50 times during a case for the second time: You can come back in 3 days.

>>186154302
Which is always met with an extreme negative reaction towards the person who did it because a good chunk of the playerbase is incapable of handling anything live or unexpected, and that percentage is constantly growing. We stopped being improv almost a year and a half ago.
Anyway, our improv doesn't even mean rolling with anything and everything that comes up. Otherwise, any jump-ins should not only be allowed, but also taken seriously at all times. But we have rules against jump-ins, and peoples are well within their rights to not use that as improv material. You know what else is probably an unspoken rule? Don't majorly fuck up the case premise, which it sounds like the detective definitely did. And that doesn't even touch on the fact that this is a courtroom setting, where throwing out a bad witness is not only allowed, but expected

>>186154475
i'm gonna brush your asshole with my foot if u don't unban me bitch >:((((

>tfw the closest thing you can get to a true improv-style trial is whose court

Give me something to have an argument about. I want to bump the thread with discussion

>>186162396
Acro > Rimes

Why was the fifth ace in Shadi's hand when Phoenix was supposed to be the one framed for cheating?

>>186163207
Because it failed? I don't know it's been a while

>>186163718
The plan explicitly worked though up until that point, Phoenix was searched but had already put the card in the bottle

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Where have all the good judges gone?

>>186170192
this was a good one

>>186169824
they've gone nowhere since in the first place there was never any good judges

>>186062025
WHY *CLAP ARE *CLAP THEY *CLAP NOT *CLAP ON *CLAP THE *CLAP SCHEDULE *CLAP

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xTw9GhPn1DYiTmgE_W5H7sQ8eK3NIFCACv5ja3CV2Yk/edit?usp=sharing

this case is already a big meme

>>186191584
>Posting a doc MIDCASE
FUCK you, anon.

>>186191584
>already a big meme
How so?

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>>186191584
Gee whiz, I wonder what could have happened.

I am having a problem with Google Docs and was wondering if someone can make a strawpoll in lieu for this song being Presto please:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD3VJGDqphM

Thanks in advance.

>>186195224
Well, if nobody puts it up there, it's a good sign that they don't want it

>>186201575
Is Phoenix a shitter?

>>186170192
Wait why is Gant there?

Where were you when the cc discord circlejerk died and cc became Gato's private chrono bitch?

>>186204887
WHERE ARE THE CT'S

>>186205629
It's a bait desu.

>>186204242
Gant was Dire in a previous case

>>186207262
I know. How was I relevant to this one though?

>>186207763
I was mainly adding people who are also alive so far (plus there are too many people in the normal picture to just put part 2 people)

How are the cases going?

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>>186210692
Like this

Why is leading when you made the case frowned upon?

>>186214263
That is news to me.

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>>186214263
Because it's like being the one to solve a puzzle when you made it. It feels a bit disingenuous

Memes?

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Why isn't this one of Trucy's emotes?

>>186222983
Because it's a still image.

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>>186223646

Your point?

>>186222983
What does that remote control

>>186225978
The current case's autism level

>this fucking Holmes

My sides are in fucking orbit

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When your detective was no good so the Lead Prosecutor gives the testimony instead

>>186227064
HOWEVER

>>186227064
Well

>>186228556
>>186228741
How do I get my OOC and text boxes to look like that?

>>186229012
You need to pay Jumbles to use his theme.

>>186229328
i want jumbles to use me as a toilet

>Holmes has a tantrum because we didn't let him interrupt the Prosecutor's detective testimony

W E W

>>186121435
Are bans timed or do they have to be manually lifted?

>>186230513
[Flashbacks to 19 years of perfection]

>>186232150
Manually, go ask to the mod discord if they forgot to unban you.

bumpu

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What's the worst case you've ever been it?

>>186240441
Gun range case. The defense did their objections from least to most important, and the detective came in with a new map that had all of the bullet casings outside of the actual gun range

>>186218596
>Solving a completely random improv

>>186243827
It's not completely random. The scenario is constructed so that the defense is given "puzzles" in the form of testimonies, like Ace Attorney, the game this one gets half its name from

>>186245548
okay but even knowing the evidence won't let you predict what the witnesses with testify about

a case maker defending isn't an issue at all

>>186245665
There's a level of familiarity you can have with the evidence when you write it that's a little different than if you just read over it after it's been made. You have a much better grasp of the context, wording, and potential uses of it for things other than it's plain description.
That said, the issue with case makers defending is much more a social one than structural

>>186246189
explain

>>186246406
Like, for example, an item of unknown usage in the evidence. Chances are, the person who wrote that item in there has an idea of what it's true usage is, especially if a hint towards it is written in the description. If you just read through the description, you couldn't automatically know anything that wasn't explicitly written. Also, two pieces of evidence written in a way that they could go together, but don't say specifically that they do

>>186246869
but the witnesses can decide to use it in a different way

>>186247956
You still know more about where the case might go than the uniformed defense. It honestly depends on the type of case. On the spot group builds are fine, self-made pre-mades are iffy, and pre-writtens are definitely off the table. It comes down to the level of control and authority you had in the building of it, and how in-depth the case itself is

>>186248364
everything you've said about case builders doing better in their own cases is coming out of your ass desu, i've never seen them do better or worse than an uninformed defense.

>>186248739
I'm mostly just giving the thought process behind the idea

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Is the AA Noire format doomed to fail?

How do I git gud at defense?

>>186252834
http://attorneyonlinevidya.wikia.com/wiki/Defense

>>186252834
Be creative, be confident, believe your own bullshit.

>>186252834
Find what you need specifically in a testimony. No more, no less

Analyze contradictions and objections beyond themselves and think about what they mean

Stay open to multiple possibilities and ideas. Don't tunnel vision

Try to be entertaining and dramatic as you present your arguments and points

In short, be FAST

>>186252834

>>186253115
>>186253192

Shit tier advice

>>186253139
Listen to this anon, too many defenses overthink the role.

>>186253284
Not every defense attorney plays like Greg

>>186252271
>Verin and fluffles detectives

It was doomed from the start.

>>186255296
hi gato!

>>186258618
Try again sport

>>186259681
nice try gato

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post OC actually used during the trials

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>>186260541

>>186252834

There's three rules you must abide to when playing Defense. At least that I found.

Rule Number 1 : Your client is always innocent. If you work off of any other premise, you are a failure of a Lawyer and should end yourself.
Rule Number 2 : Read the fucking evidence properly
Rule Number 3 : No pain, no gain.

>>186252834
1)You miss all the shots you don't take one of the biggest problems I see with defense is that they are massive cowards who are afraid to object/push something and go to the killing blow
2)Learn when to play music

>>186265428
>Learn when to play music

What did he mean by this?

>>186265609
It's important for Muh theatrics
I've seen plenty of people botch objections pursuits and logics

Blackquill, I just dc'd again, will try to get back in.

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>A Verin and Fluffles case did not crash
w-what

>>186267002
N-NANI

>>186267002
>Fucked up at every turn
>Meme "HE'S BLACK SO HE MUST BE THE KILLER" ending

>>186268078
Hi gato

Someone give me the doc to the jojo case.

>Verin is a bigger attention whore whiner than Names
>Everyone loves him
>Everyone hates Names

??????? hum i don't understand????

>>186270703
Which one

>>186270798
The most recent one

>>186270791
>>Everyone loves him
Fuck off verin.

>>186271621
The only people that hate Verin are no fun allowed autists like Ginamod and Gato, Gato. Verin is /ourguy/

>>186271681
This. Verin is the new Frogpollo.

>>186271681
Fuck off verin.

Are there any YouTube upload of those trial? Want to see some funny shit any serious shit.

>>186272002
Which trial, in particular?

>>186272984
I don't know anon. I just want to see some really serious one where everyone is focusing on the case and no meme or just some really funny one yet everyone still working on the case till the end.

>>186271681
Are you kidding.
Verin is one of the biggest sluts in this entire server, and no one likes a slut, they just like to use a slut.

Shih from yesterday here. I would like to apologize, and talk about what went down yesterday. I started getting a little pissed off when Diego started going off on points that I wasnt going for at the time. I found it very rude that he would disregard the lead player, even if he felt that I was wrong. The miscommunication due to my connection lagging didnt help this situation. Eventually, I felt that I was being ignored, by the judge, pro, and my own bench. When hutch was giving his ultimatum, I believe I was responding to a snide comment that naoto made, but due to the lag, it seemed like it was directed towards Hutch. Ejecting me for this really got under my skin, because I wasnt actively "crashing" the case. Should I have been reprimanded for this? Maybe, but not allowing me to play the case seemed very extreme.
For the record, is it against the rules for the lead defense to stop people from signing on to the bench? I feel that the situation wouldnt have gotten to that point if I was playing alone.

>>186290547
If you're the lead defense/prosecutor, you have the power to eject your cos/sups if they're being shitters.
Wasn't there for the case you're talking about but it sounds like you unfairly got the shaft.

>>186290547
It reads to me like you had your toes stepped on, and it escalated.

>is it against the rules for the lead defense to stop people from signing on to the bench?
The rules are vague on this, as they are on everything else, but it's never been okay for codef to tread all over lead def. Even when making last ditch attempts to defend, they're expected to ask. It's how we've always done things here, and it's common courtesy.

>Should I have been reprimanded for this? Maybe, but not allowing me to play the case seemed very extreme.
This just rings alarm bells. You got booted as lead def, for saying one line? How did it get to that point? Is this the full story?

Hop into the mod discord or PM one of the nerds. Better to discuss it with them directly rather than in the thread, after all.

>>186290547
If you or anyone else has a case doc, I would like to read it. Normally I would not believe someone, much less the lead defense, would be booted for making one rude comment in a case, but with the influx of newer players, it seems like a possibility.

Again. Need the doc to make a sound judgement on this.

>>186290547
Wasn't a mod called over this? Did they ding dong you?

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>>186271681
>Our guy
How the fuck is Verin anyone's guy?

>>186291703
>>186291932
>>186292245
Hi,someone who was actually in the case
Don't listen to shih-na,they acted like a massive baby and the boot was completly justifiable and easily avoidable

>>186290547
>>186291703
>>186291932
>>186292245
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VofGWVI34c0OavCEU5fSHy0ycnfE4EUHnSMVdXJU3E/edit

Also you can kick your sups and cos without problem but you normally get memed if they were being more smart than you.

>>186292557
A mod was called by her and he had to explain that players can kick others in-character, he suggested her to re-sign up as something else but nobody wanted her in the case anymore and the doc was locked because of the usual docbombing.
I don't know why the mod didn't say anything about the last part since they can hold the character in contempt but not the player or at least I think that's how it goes.

>>186293507
Reading this isn't a substitute for experiencing the OOC aspects of the situation, but from what I can tell this was a bit of a classic case of the defense not catching the contradictions and generally stalling. From what I can read on the doc, I can't see what constitutes kicking someone out of a case, unless the steno didn't record something Shih-na did, all they were doing was complaining about being ignored and talked over.

Rule 3c: Removing people from a case they signed up for, for any reason other than breaking these rules.

I'm liable to side with Shih-na here. She wasn't doing anything that justified something as harsh as kicking someone from a case, and the mod who was present should have stated this.

>>186293984
>>186294787
I was called by Shih-na because they believed they were unfairly booted. I had been watching the case for a little at the time, and from the fact that they had only 3 out of 10 penalties left, the near unanimous opinion of them from the other players, and the lack of any personal identity that was being used, I concluded that this was a valid removal of the person done with in character authority because of their actions, and not an attempt to exclude them based on bias or witch hunting.
I suggested to Shih-na that they rejoin as a different character in the co-defense spot so that they could still be in the case, but the very vocal criticisms of the other players made them decide to leave entirely

>>186296923
It wasnt the criticisms that made me leave. It was the fact that I wasnt going to be allowed to play the role that I signed up for, and was booted with no warning, along side being betrayed by my co.
>>186293435
How was I a crybaby?
Also, the question I am asking is if during building, can the lead forcibly state that nobody can join their bench?

>>186300208
Why do that?diego was more competent than you by a longshot

>>186300208
As long as there is a co or support spot on the doc, you cannot prevent someone from signing up for that spot. If you wish to lead alone, you can make that point clear on the doc and client and hope people respect your wishes, use a doc with those slots removed, or remove them yourself so long as the current group accepts it and no one is trying to grab those spots at the moment. Also keep in mind that as lead you have in character authority over your benchmates and are free to exercise that authority if they are acting unruly

>>186300208
>can the lead forcibly state that nobody can join their bench?
If you want to get shit on by everyone involved for being a no fun cunt, sure.

Reminder to call all Margaret's "Concussion-Chan"

Is it possible to poll a rule against people making up bailiff, peanut or other spots?
I ask because I've been told that anyone can come in and literally sign up as the "case shitposter" but you are not allowed to kick them out of the case unless the case is already going and crashing.

>>186305305
This will be an expansion of the things I touched on in my previous post and my general thoughts on the topic.

You can sign up for any role on the doc without being stopped as long as you fall within the guidelines established for that role, most often things like character choice in Class Trials. Adding your own role and signing up for it is not allowed, and would be along the lines of lesser doc bombing. There are exceptions, however. If the format GM (or all current participants unanimously, should the format not support one) agrees to have the role added, or the role was added by the owner of the gdoc prior to posting it in the client, then it is fine. The idea being that cases aren't immutable and should be able to change and adapt as needed. The thing to stress, however, is that it must be allowed by those in charge, or else it is one person attempting to force their memes against the desired experience.

>>186310692
this is sound advice, and a sensible kek

>>186310692
To add onto this, please try figure out the exact moment of bombing and inform a moderator if you can

DOCBOMB
PANIC
PANIC
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>186310692
>Call a moderator
Yes because moderators can magically deal with something going on in google docs.

>>186319506
Doc bombing is still against the rules, and the quicker a mod is informed of it, the more effectively they can investigate and deal with it

>>186322068
wee

>>186319506
The purpose of calling a moderator is to investigate a doc bombing, and then spectate the area in case something happens again.

Not related to your glorified chat simulator, but is it known whether Mia was able to channel spirits?

>bump

>>186329545
If I remember correctly, Maya made references to Mia's spirit channeling ability, and since we know the ability to Spirit Channel is passed on through descendants, it's a pretty reasonable conclusion to say she could. However, it's part of her backstory that she left Kurain and its practices to become a defense attorney, so whether she still can or not without that practice, I have no clue.

>>186330159
>Maya made references to Mia's spirit channeling ability
That's cool, I can't remember when though. And Morgan was not able to(?), so it's not impossible that Mia wasn't able to either

>>186240441
Maybe it's just how fresh it is in my mind, but
>Halloween party case
>Payne is fucking dead in the middle of a hedge maze
>the defense has given up on wit2
>the case is about to end
>suddenly the support prosecutor goes full truthfag
>there is another hour of debate as everyone but the judge and sup pro demand it end
>judge decides they're moved by this faggotry and call for mistrial

I never take supports since that day.

>>186252834
In my experience:
-Use the evidence. Read the testimony. Look at the profiles. Focus. All elements can be used to solve the case.
-Have fun with it.
-Try try again.
-Observe how other DA's do it.
-Keep trying.

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>spend five hours waiting for people
>case ends in two hours because the Mia was incompetent

>>186333753
>adachi player
>memes up every case he's in

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>>186333957
There was no Dacho that case.
And please don't bully the poor Mia.

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>>186333753
>It's a mia episode

What are some good cases that have happened recently?

>>186335874
The JoJo AAI is pretty good so far.

>>186335874
The Deadly Premonition AAI

>>186336657
God fucking dammit.
I hate that all the good shit happens when I am at work.
York in AO when

>>186335874
Time travel rape case went way better than it had any right to.

>>186335874
Winnie the Pooh case actually went really well.

>>186337554
No it didn't.

>>186252834
To add on to everyone else's advice, know how to argue effectively and recognize when you mess up. Sticking to one argument for an entire case is no fun at all.

>>186337573
Yes it did. Everything except the lead pro was good.

>>186337868
This.
Being able to adapt and adjust is beyond important.

>>186330370
Well, she did leave in order to not compete with Maya for the position of head of the family, so it can be assumed that she at least had the prerequisite power to be head of the household

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>>186333753
>>186334460

>Trusting Mia players
>Ever

>>186330370
>>186330159

The only in-game text of Mia's ability is a document in 1-2 that describes how she spoke with a ghost (not channeled) in order to find out who betrayed her mother.

After that, she left the village and enrolled into lawyer school with Lana, presumably engaging in experimental lesbian procreation.

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>>186343874
I can't be the only person who gets off on bullying Mia players.

>>186344841
Go home, Dante.

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>>186344841
I get off on being bullied as Mia.

>>186343874
>>186344841
What are some characters that always fuck up a case?

>>186345260
Hazama.

>>186345260
Pearl

>>186345260
Portsman.

>>186345260
Adachi.

>>186345260
Not Mia

What's the difference between pre-made and pre-written cases?

>>186345987
Pre-made has prepared witness testimonies and contradictions and shit, pre-written is just summary and evidence all prepared but the people who sign up are free to make of it whatever they want.

>>186346276
Are pre-made cases not a thing anymore?

>>186345260
Grossberg

>>186345260
Larry. Anyone that says there was ever a good Larry is a dirty Larry player lying to everyone, including themselves

>>186346672
Don't lie to yourself, Anon. Show us on the doll where the bad Larry touched you.

>>186345394
>>186345535
>>186345573
>>186345594
>>186345816
>>186346581
>>186346672
Anyone ever notice how these guys are almost exclusively played by the same faggots.

>>186346443
It's lack of people making it rather than people not wanting to play them, I think. They aren't much of a thing anymore, but with the resurgence of CT's I'm sure there's an audience for it.

>>186346890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqSh23NStPg

>>186346956
No, I haven't noticed that.

>>186350698
Stop posting this

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I want to bully Mia!

>>186353448
Get in line

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>>186353448
NO

>Phoenix finds out that Trucy and Apollo are siblings
>"I'll tell them when the time is right."
So, will he tell them before or after he catches them fucking?

>>186359741
during

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>>186359741
During.

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>>186360175
>>186359741
And then they fuck harder.

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>>186362203

>Protag of the Jojo AAI crashed
>They start having a fucking tea party
IC recesses are underrated

>>186363680
Apparently

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>>186357459
YES

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>>186353448
>tfw you will never slap her ass on the way out of the court after she gives up again.
>tfw Franziska will never do it

I'm about to make a case for the first time. Any tips?

>>186382267
Build before signing up.

>>186382643
>Drop a doc and build a case
>Everyone else signs up an shitposts, leaving you no good spots.

Make a case before you drop it, then sign up for the spot you want. You deserve first pick for doing all the work.

>>186382267
Make sure the evidence actually implicates the defendant beyond just circumstantial crap. You wouldn't believe how many cases have gone south because of lack of evidence for the prosecution.

>>186382805
>doc builders
>deserving anything
No. Most of the time the fucks that pre-make their own docs just want their egos stroked, not a good case.

>>186385038
And where is that claim coming from?

Doc builders deserve more than the fucks who join cases and don't contribute at all.

Are we literally arguing that the people who build our cases deserve nothing but being spit in the face

I mean it's not like anyone's telling you to kiss their feet and the ground they walk on, but hot damn, man, this is content creation debacle 2.0

>>186385176
>>186386838
The people who join cases are arguably more important than the people who make them. The lifeblood of an improv community is its actors, after all.

>>186387239
Okay but is it unreasonable for the people who make the cases for the people who act them out to get a role they wanted to play, since most of the time cases are built by people tired of watching everyone sit around and do nothing.

Or are you saying that case builders aren't good at playing cases, or they don't join cases. What even is your point.

Anyone who joins should care about making evidence. It's fine for one person to do it, but everyone involved should at least take a look at the evidence before they begin to prevent:

DET: "Yeah the evidence says the murder is basically impossible, and we're gonna spend the next hour with the defense telling me that and the prosecutor desperately trying to get them to just accept the fact that everything's fucked and force the first witness."

As well, it's not hard to build evidence either. Most of the time you can just throw shit at the wall, ask yourself "What does that mean for the crime?" and if you have an answer, it can stay.

>>186382805
This but don't sign up for lead def like some sort of asshole.

>>186388705
>Case builders shouldn't be lead defense

Exquisite meme.

>>186388854
STOP BREAKING THE S T A T U S Q U O .

Not a lot of people help build, but almost everyone sticks around afterwards to celebrate or complain.

>>186387773
People who do that are the worst. If people spot a problem during building, they shouldn't sit on it and reveal it when the case starts. That makes them the retard, not the people who were trying to build.

Ginamod did that at the start of a case with bullet casings. Wasted twenty minutes with stupid /k/ discussion. Clamming up during building about these things to look smug later just damages the case. That case burned, too

>>186388854
Suck my dick Birdman

>>186389470
>It's Ginamod's fault for pointing out an issue that the detective should have fixed before building.

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>>186378038
>Mia
>giving up

Nigga what?

>>186389876
>It's Ginamod's fault for pointing out an issue that the detective should have fixed before building.
This implies you think only the detective is responsible for building evidence, and that you're a tremendous shitter.

>>186391390
Ginamod doesn't build cases when they're the lead defense.

Also
>Ginamod is everyone

ok shitposter-kun

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Name a bigger meme player than
>prosecutors who get salty when they lose

>>186392114
T-They're just in character as Von Karma. Right?

>>186392114
Anyone who thinks bailiff is a valid role.

>>186392114
Prosecutor salt is valid IF:
>Pity confession
>Pity breakdown
>The judge is clearly highly biased in terms of decision, and who they listen to

And I don't mean the legal schmegal grey-zone of "but maybe" situations, I mean when it's blatantly obvious. Because those situations arise from the notion that the DA must always win.

>>186392114
Someone who thinks wit3 is not a cuck role.

>>186393389
Bailiff adds flavor to trials but isn't necessary. About the same as the defendant role if you ask me.

>>186393879
Pity confessions or game over Guilty ends? Which is worse?

>>186395401
>Flavor

A flavor of shit, yes.

>>186391596
>Ginamod is everyone
I never said you were him. All I'm doing is using his past one time action of not building and smugly keeping a case breaking anomaly during under his hat as an example of what not to do.

>Ginamod doesn't build cases when they're the lead defense.
That's funny, I remember that Layton was the lead def in that case, Gina was the co.

But enough about nerds, what you said's worth talking about, too. There's no reason to ever hesitate to take part in building on lead defence, or any bench position, def or pros. It doesn't take a lot of restraint to write a balanced case. It might be difficult for new players, because they don't have case experience and won't know how things they write will play out, but that's how they'll learn. Of course, laziness might be a factor for some people, too, and they can quite rightly be ridiculed for being lazy.

>>186393879
>The judge is clearly highly biased in terms of decision, and who they listen to
This goes for both benches. His opinion of the benches themselves or the people on them shouldn't be visible outside of trivial joking or sparse chatting, the only thing that matters is his opinion on the verdict. It's always those people who sign up as judge to peanut IC who decide by the middle of a case that one bench isn't worth listening to because they don't like them.

>Pity confession
>Pity breakdown
These aren't satisfying to see, but I don't find them reasons to salt. The case can be more interesting if witnesses don't do those things, but they're not reasons for the prosecution to be angry instead of underwhelmed unless they cared about winning more than they cared about participation in the case. Not having fun is cause for upset, winning or losing shouldn't cause grief at our ages. The same can be said of the defence.

Peanut Judges should be a bannable offense

Bailiffs should be a bannable offense.

Third witness should be a bannable offense.

>>186398220
It's a perfect example of why we need rolebans. Also for shitpost or 30 line witnesses. These people just waste everyone's time for their own amusement.

Peanut judges especially, because if you tell them to put a lid on it IC, they'll act all haughty, and claim they're the judge, despite their lack of judgelike behaviour, and make even more noise sprinkled with bad jokes.

>>186398547
>>186398630
(You) should be a bannable offence.

>>186398884
I wasn't really talking about the "Peanut" role. I was talking about judges who peanut bant the whole trial. But yes rolebans should be a thing

Also
>defending bailiff

Give me a single reason why bailiffs and defendants are bad.

>>186400482
need a bailiff? Have someone that's not currently needed (witness1/2, detective, co/support) type /switch bailiff into the ooc

>>186399794
>I was talking about judges who peanut bant the whole trial
That's who I was talking about. When I mentioned IC, I was referring to the fact that IC, they're still the judge and it's their court, so telling them to be quiet in character rarely works, but isn't serious enough to call a mod for one incident. Also, unlike spess, we don't have BOINK, either, and mods always announce their presence to everyone after being called, so the person calling would be subjected to mild ridicule if they did call, even if everyone else was annoyed by the judge.

>>186400482
We don't need bailiffs because the prosecution's voice can pass through walls.

As for defendants, they can work, especially as co or support def, but the moment they try to comment on the state of the crime scene, things are muddled, because they clearly have a conflict of interest when it comes to telling the truth because they're defending themselves.

But then, you have to ask yourself, what can that defendant do that a vanilla codef or cosupport can't? RP as the defendant and talk to the judge or prosecution as if they were under suspicion of murder? Do the job of a witness, but with much less substance? It'd be simpler to be a vanilla codef or support, or a normal witness respectively.

>>186402707
Defendants have been able to testify in the series before. I'm sure it could be done in Attorney Online, too.

>getting salty at all when you "lose"
>on any role

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>>186403107
> I'm sure it could be done
Could be.

>in Attorney Online, too.
Wow, stopped reading right there!

But we only usually have two witnesses from the prosecution (rarely one, three if you like suffering) and a detective. We still usually take longer to case now than when we were starting out. I can't warm to the idea of throwing defendant testimony into the mix, when all it might contribute is what what the defendant did while the crime happened and various traps and entanglements for later witnesses. I don't mean to discourage you, but to help make you aware of the risks.

Early last year, I just saw it as the defco or support getting slightly more RP in, and rarely, to set up a witness testimony.

>>186409185
>We still usually take longer to case now than when we were starting out.
That's a building issue, and no one should pretend otherwise. If you're going to complain it takes 2 hours to start a case, build more, or better yet, take less desirable roles.
Almost every single long build I've seen was usually waiting on roles or the occasional evidence argument, accompanied by waiting on roles. Waiting on people to actually write their shit with all the roles filled and evidence actually complete, and that actually taking a bit of time, is overall a rare sight.

>actually defending bailiff

>>186392114
19 years of fucking perfection... i dont play games to lose...

>>186409185
>>186403107
It has been done in cases though, and has went fine.

>>186409969
>That's a building issue,
I disagree, and I liken that to blaming a murder on a gun. It's the players involved in the case who stretch the case to unsociable hours, specifically their playstyles. A nine hour can be made in spite of succinct 6-7 piece evidence and a promising and imaginative case premise.

>If you're going to complain it takes 2 hours to start a case, take less desirable roles.
Was that directed to me? If I were going to complain about that, which of course, I have not - I was, until this post I'm writing now, talking about case length and not the length of the building preceding it. This is also the first I've heard of steno, judge and witness being desirable.

Waiting for people to gather takes longer if the current premise is poor or abhorrent, if the areas are in competition for roles, or if through unfortunate circumstances such as the time, there aren't enough people on the server to sustain a casing area. As individuals, outside of building more attractive cases, becoming more bright and interesting individuals, and culling roles, there's nothing else to be done about waiting for roles in a standard case. The first, building more attractive cases, brings us back to my earlier point about cases taking a long time. Cases will be considered more attractive to people if they have confidence that they won't take an unduly long time. I believe this to have a greater impact on the willingness of people to sign up than the availability of their favourite roles.

>>186416350
If it's been done recently, I've missed it. As I said, I'm reeling off memories, and I found dealing with them to be a variable experience, not least because everyone playing them had a different way of playing them. The only thing these defendant players had in common was that the prosecution accused them of the crime. Some were on the defence (one was a fourth member of the defence), some were pure witnesses, and one barked about their innocence.

>>186417535
Thatt was directed in general, since it's a general complaint, if nothing else, it's good you're playing.
And it's the opposite. Steno, judge, and witness are less desirable than every single bench role for obvious reasons, and often I see cases waiting hours for just a steno. Also to argue a case's "attractiveness" is a tad silly, some cases may have better designed documents, some a neater premise, others more solid evidence. Said cases could all be abandoned for a meme case with less than 1 whole paragraph's worth of words in the entire doc. You may have a point in that people may be likely to case if they don't think they take "long' in the first place, but I feel you're underestimating how preparedness at the start(such as getting all needed roles) hampers and drags out a case emmensely.

>>186261812

Oh God that fucking case.

>>186300208

>can the lead forcible state that nobody can join their bench

This would be such a fucking terrible idea holy shit.

Cases already last six hours, why does everyone have a hard-on for limiting the amount of people who can actually participate more and more? I understand that the whole 4chan demographic isn't the most open to this kind of point, but some of us have other shit to do and it's hard enough getting into a case already.

bumpu

This isn't related to your gay namefag circlejerk but who was Blackquill talking to in SoJ's credits?

>>186418579
>Also to argue a case's "attractiveness" is a tad silly,
I'd say it's the heart of the matter. Fun cases look fun, and definitions of fun vary between players. If I feel like casing, I turn on AO, look at the areas, the people and the docs in them, and make a decision on whether they're worth joining over doing something else. How fun they are is the quality by which they're judged. That's what attracts people to a game, something meant to amuse. Then, they're compared. If another case looks better, you may join that. If you're building, you can try and make the case generally attractive, and appeal to a lot of people, but that won't guarantee signups, and it certainly won't make people who haven't the time for hours long bickering sign up. The only way you're going to make those particular people sign up is if you don't run a long format, and if you make it clear you're the sort to reduce how long the case will take. Clean evidence just shows a willingness by the case writers to not waste time, it doesn't guarantee it, because other people will sign up, and they might not be so inclined. They might have more time. They might be students on holiday, for example.

>but I feel you're underestimating
Worse, I barely consider it a concern. It's an effect, not a cause.

>some cases may have better designed documents, some a neater premise, others more solid evidence. Said cases could all be abandoned for a meme case with less than 1 whole paragraph's worth of words in the entire doc.
Is that not in agreement that they'll abandon a case for that meme document they find more attractive - because it's fun to them, and objectively guaranteed to be short because it's just a paragraph of text? I don't mean to be rude, but are you ESL?

>>186425239
to Lewdton about how he blacked Anongrill

Give me 1 (one) good reason why bailiff is a good role.

>>186425239
Athena or Buckey I think? I barely remember the credits

>>186425287
>meme cases are guaranteed to be short
That's quite the leap actually. I can agree they may go to said meme case if it's more fun to them. I could agree with you play styles may drag out the case, but if anything meme cases being objectively short is hogwash, even if I was ESL. Less evidence =/= Less arguments. To assume an equivalence in theory, nevermind practice, is a huge mistake which I won't make thrice.

Reminder to be nice to Mia

>>186432867
Reminder to bully Mia then kick her when she's down, figuratively and literally.

>>186432990
Leave that poor new Mia alone

>>186433357
You have to break them in.

>>186438517
Post the other one

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>>186443130
this?

>>186443730
I miss Nuclear Apollo

>>186444098
STANDING

>>186447409
HERE

Is it okay to be the lead defense in case you built?

>>186449523
Apart from a minor social stigma, not really

>>186449652
not really as it not really okay, or not really as in not really, it's not that bad?

>>186451360
It's not that bad

>>186449523
You spent time building the thing so write your name down before you drop it. Who gives a fuck really. The worst thing people can do is complain or not join.

>>186452274
It's common courtesy that if you drop a doc to wait until one person signs up before you do. Just makes it fair.

>>186452541
I won't deny I'm a selfish cunt

Need everyone but defense in area 1 for a dam case

Remember to thank your stenos, AOV!

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>>186458784
no

>>186458996
>hazama haters don't thank their stenos
a vote to keep hazama is a vote to help poor, tired stenos

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>>186459226
I'm a shitter and you can't stop me.

>>186455732
Everyone but defense and prosecution now.