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Bird and Bunny edition.

Changes to seven cards: Tove; Baphomet; Spawn of the Abyss; Goblin Leader; Grimnir, War Cyclone; Ouroboros; and Princess Snow White
https://shadowverse.com/news/?announce_id=336

Rewards for top 10k players on August
https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/890874494427975680

Leader poll results
https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/890134639402209281

Maintenance from 7:00 p.m., Jul 30 – 3:00 a.m., Jul 31 (PT). Details.
https://shadowverse.com/news/?announce_id=326

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https://shadowverse.com/

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Old >>184432454
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Is neutral shadow gud?
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qxd8
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>>184449752
>Having trouble with story mode
t. beginner
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I rather have neutral blood meta back than this Dshift meta.
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Snow white didn't deserve the nerf just like lightning blast.
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>>184449913
They cheat with those decks though. I don't remember the fucker but the guy that was playing sword cards and the suddenly dropped a balanced man can go fuck itself
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>>184449929
>Losing to DShift
Spotted the hag
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>Do story mode
>Urias even manages to make Eris start to seriously question her own motivations for doing this

Blood's cancer in the meta aside, why is Urias so based?

Also, how come I am starting to respect Rowen after story mode
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So what's the current Ramp list?
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>>184450364
>not respecting HEAR
he and urias were always the best leaders in the game by fucking far, elfu is cute and the rest can go die in a fire.
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KOUSHIN SEYO
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>>184450364
>why is Urias so based?
Master morality.
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>>184449203
What the actual fuck happened that it lived that long?

>>184449168
There isn't. CForest is a hot mess. Festival cforest can't take the tempo loss. cforest running pixie's-altered fate for its engine can't take the tempo loss.. Wolf-anomalous dragon still gets railed. double anomaly still gets dude removal lmao'd Can't attack has no win con, old cards, and can't value either way to capitalize on it. Tempo elf is frail and inconsistent even after brambles ephemera and fairy driver tried to band-aid their aging backbone. Jungle Wolfbolt is janky and too easily healed out of range for good. Dread Princess-queen gets wrecked before t10 and even then it's still only 15 dmg a turn if you do nothing else and 24 over 2 turns. You don't even have roach to cap off like old rose queen decks. Roach is hurting from more wards and better aggro killing it. ptp elf is too slow and inconsistent. Refuge tempo elf was already a highroll deck before it was gutted by just giving literally everyone 4pp sage commander. Titania-Reina simalacrum forest has too many old cards and can't take the tempo loss of titania. Autoevolve treant mid gets mangled because everyone else doesn't have to kill themselves for +2/+2 that still dies to trades, removal, etc. Making the 0 costs ends you. B&B's not enough unless they're a shit deck and you nut some sweet ETA. Woodland band doesn't function in boardclear verse

>>184449513
Maybe include some substance or don't bother to shitpost
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>>184449903
Stop shitting up this thread with Aegis, Elana, Sybil, ramp dragon and stupid newfag things.
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>>184450502
Depends. If you want to win against Shadow you need to put cards like Saha, Israfil and Wrath Drake. If you want to win against Dshift you need to put Forte, Genesis and Urd.
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What's ther most boring craft in the game and why is it sword?
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>>184450502
Saha
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I've got 38k vials what should I play?
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>>184450583
>What the actual fuck happened that it lived that long?
The same thing that happens every time sonic snowballs: wards and rush followers trading everything
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>>184450673
Dull people live dull lives
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>>184450502
Realistically speaking? None. I have not meet a single dragon player in ranked so far.
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>>184450754
Dont play this game.
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>>184450754
Play Satan and Queen of the Meme seas with Oz
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Is going 2nd is still as bad as before?
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Can forest get more than 5% playrate now?
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>2-3 Balanced man in row is now pretty common thanks to demon eater
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>>184450992
Yes.
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>>184450937
post dick
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>that neutral rune deck in story mode
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>>184451159
just lightning blast bro, cant recover his shadows if hes banished :^)
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>>184451067
No
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>Face Otohime in Story Mode
>Now she's super easily ruined by a Salamander's Breath or just a 2 PP Hungering Horde

Man, times have changed
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>>184451358
>T6 almost dead
disgusting
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>>184448994

ETA, Glass?

Who?
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>Mulligan for B&B
>It's gay-ass roach bounce
>Mulligan for roach
>It's B&B
God fucking
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Should I liquefy animated ouroboros?
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>>184451645
nah keep it
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>>184451645
I won't liquefy any animated lego
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>>184451645
You can do it anytime untill next patch
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>mfw learning how to use D-Shift
Truly the thinking man's deck. It feels nice being on the other end of this complete bullshit.

>>184451513
Elf Twin's Assault and Through the Looking Glass or whatever the fuck that 2pp card that turns all your cards into neutrals is called.
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Alternate aegis looks amazing
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>>184451875
I hope you newfagass doesn't start to be so entitled as to shit up the thread with your spamming A rank knowledge.
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Need a concede at 75611.
Please and thank you.
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67704
Need a concede.
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>>184451182
not that guy, but here's mine

Haven't tried it out against any real humans yet but it worked in story mode!
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>playing haven aegis
>realise that here's no point to naoise anymore without spawn
he's not bad but I almost never feel the need to drop him
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Is Nep shadow any good? I only need two more Neps and 2 Mordecai for this deck https://youtu.be/L0Rfbkr5LmQ
Seems kinda fun
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>>184451909
I wish I wasn't poor so I could buy Haven, Blood and Shadow prebuilts.
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>>184452024
>Newfag
But I've been here since DE. I never tried D-Shift until now since I always spent my vials on meme decks.
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Post newest dshift dick. I want to fuck hag on ladder.
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>>184452026
Ty mama forte.
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>>184452042
Thanks mommy Forte.
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>>184452221
I figured. The discordfags replying each other are driving me nuts.
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>>184452330
Is mama forte a bot?
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>>184451875
It's first impression. You will understand later why everyone hates D-shit
>>184452024
You bragging about your rank so much. I hope you not some NEET who achieved nothing except Master in SV
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>>184452404
No.
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>>184451875

Thanks
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Why is Urias so based?
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>>184452073
yeah basically the same as mine as well.
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>>184452157
"almost" is better than "never". I definitely wouldn't play x3 copies of though, obviously.
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>>184452496
>bragging about your rank
Oh, there you go. As I said, so damn entitled.
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>Shadow is my favourite class
>Mordecai is my favourite card
>Nep shadow is my favourite deck because i can play him
>The sole existance of Eachtar prevents shadow from getting any good cards from now on, while killing the variety of the class
>Before you could play aggro, midrange, control, tyrant and atomy memes
>now unless you play eachtar you are putting yourself at disadvantage
>if you play Eachter you are instantly judged as a bandwagoner
I WANT THE HEADLESS MAN TO BE NERFED SO GODDAMN MUCH
Thank you.
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>>184452850
Sorry, my little NEET friend, but I'm grandmaster
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>Dimension Shift
18PP
Take another turn after this one. At the end of that turn, lose the game. Subtract 0 from the cost of this card.
Spellboost: Subtract 1 more
There, I fixed DShift
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>>184451645
No. Use it in your pendant meme deck
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>>184453027
So? The rest of your new circlejerk friends aren't.
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Should I vial ALL grimnirs, or just 1?
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>>184452860
Kill yourself mordefaggot.
You people have been whining for a fucking year now.
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>>184453128
All, you lose nothing if you want to recraft them.
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Why does control blood suck so much ass? Or why do I? I have no problem with the early game but where, are, the win cons.
And rest in pepperonis if you fight dshift, seraph, aegis, or got unlucky against a fast ramp. This last season I got to aa0 from c rank only playing cblood but the fun ends here I guess. Not that playing against midrange shadow, haven, or nblood was fun.
I started playing this game shortly after totg came out
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>>184450583
Yeah you're actually right on the money. The deck I've done best with aside from Neutral is PTP just because you can sometimes high roll with it and win. The class is utter trash.
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>>184453128
You can always just craft him again at no vial loss
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>>184453127
And?
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>>184453071
Dshift is already "fixed", dumb hag.
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>>184453071
t.haven
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>>184453027
>bragging about your rank
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Why is Eris so cute when trembling?
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So Eris' chapter still is lagging behind. What would they plan for her?
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>>184452707
It's imbued into him by his pure bara-ness

>>184452850
It's almost like you cucks shed your integrity to play aggressive decks against each other which happen to have a preferred matchup against aegis so no shit. It's oppressive where it's not constantly being held down
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>>184453331
Rape
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>>184453250
>>184453251
t.Dshitter
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>>184453027
>I nolifed to a rank anyone can grind to without being good
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>>184453262
This is not bragging.
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>>184453243
There you have it. Big Mama protectora.
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>>184453162
Have fun playing against shadow every other game
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I feel bad for Rowen.
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>mfw lose to a guy running demonic storm
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This line is unclear, do the Grimnir and Ouro from the prebuilt not give extra vials or is it only talking about the animated ones that can't even be liquefied in the first place?
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Forest is dead. I have moved on from forest to dshift since it is the only consistently combo left.
>le roach super op
>le gobu pull too consistent for a combo deck
Kys roach falseflaggers. I am enjoying my dshift which can consistently go off on turn 8 and can't be stopped by a simple ward.
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>>184453402
That's why you use "t. A/B/C/D/F rank as insult", right?
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>>184453561
With aggro blood if it has face damage it's a viable tech.
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>>184453636
Wow you are dumb
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I'm still waiting for Sofiel card, Cygames.
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>>184453636
You can't vial cards that have alternative card arts. You can still vial GURIMUNIRU and Ouro, but not Sybil.
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>>184453636
pretty sure it's saying animated legendaries won't be able to be liquefied even if their stats/effects are changed in the future
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>>184453682
t.roachfucker, this wouldn't have happened if KMR had nerfed your precious roach husbando in DE like he should've
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>>184453682
People who complain about roach are those who can't rub their 2 brain cells together to play around imminent roach strike. They should all die.
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>>184453682
Non-Roach players don't know the pain of auto-conceding to a turn 6 Death's Breath.
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>>184453362
Oppressive when Dshift exists? Aegis is literally not relevant yet B ranks as you can see complained about it non-stop just like the attempt against Elana. And then there's those full grown tier 0 cancers who gets legitimately angry over anything that manages to beat them.
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>>184453448
Good thing I play a superior craft then.
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What are we crying about now? Carabosse?
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>>184453984
>Aegis is literally not relevant yet
Check shadowlog
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>>184453880
>haha just play around OTK from hand at t7
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>>184453890
Death's breath should cost more shadows tbqh.
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what's a good face dragon list? I'm still using almost the same one from DE
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>>184454046
>6pp magic missile
>meta
lol
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Does becoming grand master grant you any super powers?
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>>184454067
>shadowlog
Care to play the game instead, SV beloved kin?
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>>184454112
>OTK from hand at t7
Roach isn't an OTK at t7 :^)
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>>184452860
>Not wanting a better consistency win con to go with tyrant than fucking ptp
>Not wanting yet another activator for atomy
>Not wanting the reach, clear, and board recovery in aggro when the game flies off into the weeds instead of gassing out
>Not wanting the savior of understatted follower relevance
Go ahead and be honest, post your grave desecration, phantom, or lich ledger mid shadow deck. I hate him as much as anyone but they tried with curse of rebirth, malicious ghost, highway to hell, madame lich, woe, catacomb etc and it just wasn't working.


At least we're getting more low cost necromancy and more ghost generation to worth with desert rider
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>>184454232
I heard people who hit GM tend to go first more often
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>>184454232
It grants you an infinite shield for your virginity.
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>>184453821
Dshift is superior to roach in every way and it gets support in every expansion. You roach falseflaggwrs will enjoy roachless SV while we ex forest players will enjoy dshift.
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>>184453984
The decks that have trouble with it are played less in masters cause of cancer bandwagoning. That shift is more oppressive doesn't change that Aegis is still unhealthy for the meta.
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>>184454254
Talking about Tyrant I just got meme in by one pretty consistent on turn 8 or 7 I think. I was playing Daria.
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>>184454174
Neutral aggro + Forte.
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wtf do you do as KYS blood against Elana?
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did baph really deserve the nerf? why print enabler cards if you're going to kill them all.
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>>184454498
I don't want to craft any alices
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>>184454507
Win by turn 4. Tenko is an instant loss
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Yo I'm about to download this game and I don't know shit about it. I'm tired of Hearthstone. I'm a F2P fag so hopefully this game isn't super P2W. Is there any specific thing I should be rerolling for?
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>>184454241
>"care to play the game instead"
>ignoring facts
Lmao
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So is Grimnir official dumpstered now?
In terms of facing a full board and having an empty field baha is the better option every time. Even with some cards on your side baha is usually the better option.
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>the absolute state of english dubbing

http://sv.bagoum.com/voice/e/vo_703541010_3.mp3

This is what they've done to nepnep
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>>184454507
Make sure you remove snow white before T5 hits and they play tenko. May want to pack some hard removals and hit face harder
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>>184454662
Baha was always the better turn 10 option. Grimnir is there because he's the better turn 3 option, and happens to be useful after that.
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>>184454397
Anon please, be self aware. You don't need to hit GM. Playing SV already does that.
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>>184454553
Because they have no idea what they are doing.
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>>184454413
Speaking of ex-Forest players playing Dshift, got a list? Preferably not a Dreadshift one.

>>184453189
Anyone got any suggestions for this list? Do I keep Mischief now that Spawn is gone for the tempo, or drop it for other cards? Unseen is 2 EPM.
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>>184454185
>tfw you spoke out but the kikes come after your 8pp magic missile regardless

>>184454553
No. A win con tutor is dangerous and has to be nerfed/removed eventually but it wasn't at the point where he needed to get blown out for it. Especially when he was key in so many other decks. Maelstrom serpent is gone.

>>184454642
You should reroll for read the OP
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>>184454553
Absolutely, but they should've just removed his enhance
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>>184454254
Shadow is really disgusting nowadays

>random effect that can kill your 10PP follower with only a 2PP follower
>lots of low cost shadow generator
>lots of cards cost only a little shadow
>among them Eachtar is the biggest offender (Zombies are suppose to cost 4 each not 3)

They should really make Eachtar only give the zombies he generated rush. +2 attack can stay but each zombie should cost 4.
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>>184454424
If Aegis is unhealthy for that inexistent control meta, then Seraph should be as well since nobody tech Odins anymore and it comes 1 turn earlier than Aegis.
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>put usher of styx in midrange shadow
>reliably fetch a Eachtar in the lategame or another Cerberus
I love her.
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>>184454662
Grimnir is still a nice option for board clear for crafts that dont have it like sword or forest but as >>184454770 said bahamut will 9/10 times be better
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>>184454897
It is, but seraph at least required a combo to use.
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>>184454507
Go face?!!?! Nobody can do shit against Kys, only burn from hand can do. Midrange and Kys are both stable cancers, only that Kys has 1 counter.
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>>184453331
she's gonna be the end of all the branches of the story isn't she?
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>dshift is back
fucking epic
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>>184454245
Roach can OTK at t7 when:
>Go second
>3 zero cost followers
>3 Roaches in hand or 0 cost Gobu can pull a 3rd one
>a Nature Guidance in hand.
2x 0 cost Fairy + 0 cost Gobu + Nature Guidance + 3 Roaches + Evo Point = 20 damage for 7 PP which requires god hand and don't die before T7 comes :^)
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>>184454574
You asked for a good list. Even with Alice face dragon still isn't good
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>he still plays shadowverse
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>>184454818
I use parachan list. He climbed to gm with dshift pre-patch.
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>>184455073
>he thought dreadshift would simply disappear when the only thing keeping it in check is gone
Oh you poor poor gullible retard
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>>184454662
Yeah. He's only for consistency when your class has nothing better to run

>>184454897
There's a monolithic difference between being able to run something as well as the opponent having dead cards and having to just go fuck yourself after being solitaire'd the whole way
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>>184455152
I don't. Still lurking this thread though.
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>>184454994
Well, you can actually cuck Haven if they drop Aegis without an evolve point.
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>>184454932
Yeah, I was surprised how well she panned out since she gets 4 shadows back
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Anne and Grea are really close friends!

Really really close!
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>>184455073
Dshit always rises to ruin everyone's fun the moment any meta slows down. It's the one reason I didn't entirely hate ToG onward, as at least it killed off zero interaction combo decks.
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>>184455416
Why does she pet that tail so fondly?
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some one post dreadshift lists I want in on this cancer
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>>184455416
tits too big
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>>184455216
Aegis will never be good in aggro and Midrange Shadow meta.
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>>184455073
>rune is good. Dshift will make a greater come back since the tempo has slowed down. Dshift was already a smooth deck as shown by parachan.
I told you anons
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Felt like I was reading Asanagi, hag a cute though.
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>>184455416
I'm starting to wish we got their anime instead of the shit show that is Virgin Soul.
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>>184455526
Just play actual dshift not memeshift
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>dragon gets to drop a 2/5 ward on turn 3
fucking epic
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>>184455613
The fuck is a parachan. wait I don't even want to know.
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>>184454705
What is this? What the fuck is this? What happened to her old line?
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>>184455181
I have 3 animated Lou ;_;. Oh well. Thanks for the list.
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Ogler should be a new rune leader.
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>>184454705
Cringed
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>>184455734
A rank?
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>>184455916
D rank?
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>>184455556
fag
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>>184455516
Maybe they're a bit "closer" than we realize.
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>>184455801
It's the line for the special card from the prebuilt deck.
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>>184455858
Lou is for daria.
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>>184454705
>people are paying money to hear this
I hope every dubkek switches over to nip after this.
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rest in peace snake memes
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>>184455416
I will never not be mad
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>>184455801
Keep defending discord and reddit cygames employeefags.
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>>184454705
>listening to eng voice when you have Yoko Hikasa
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>download update
>play midshadow
>win
Nice nerfs shadowbabs.
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>>184455567
No shit but like pre-nerf LB it assblasts a whole block of decks
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>>184454705
But w-why?
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>>184456052
Daria runs Lou now? What the fuck. Why? I haven't been keeping up with Daria since TOTG though so I don't really know how the deck has evolved.
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>>184455567
Aegis is part of why we have an aggro format. Anti aggro decks are hard countered by big unanswerable wincons like Aegis and DShift combo. The only way to reliably beat these decks is to play aggro, hence the current meta.
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>>184454705
>dubcucks
Again
>dubcucks
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>>184456153
They did new lines for the pre-built versions, the old one is still fine. Why they even bothered when it was clearly shit is beyond me, it's like the Tsubaki change they ended up reverting after a month.
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He posted a kys blood list which was copied netdeckers everywhere in tog. But he was more known as a ptp/roach forest/dshift player. Before tog he was on top 10 a lot playing these decks.
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What was the point of not only forcing Shadowverse to install on the os drive, but also putting it into a motherfucking hidden folder?
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>>184456146
That has proven to not be true many times.
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>>184456439
Cygames botnet
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>>184456378
>>184455785
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>>184456439
to try and stop modders.
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>>184454553
No. Because they're incompetent.
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is 3x bahamut, 1x queen, 2x genesis, 2x forte, 2x arriette, 1x zeus satisfactory in ramp dread queen otk?
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>he hasn't uninstalled this virus
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>>184456209
The last few Darias i've seen had it, which I assume is done for consistency since unlike every other card draw it specifically pulls spellboost cards
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>>184456234
>Aegis is part of why we have an aggro format
Sorry bro, but Aegis isn't that old.
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>>184456439
So thats why the update took ages
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>>184456153
I don't like this picture, please delet
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>goblin leader nerfed
>almost everyone I've faced is still running the card
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>>184456550
how exactly would that stop modders? This is so fucking baffling.
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>>184456735
What's wrong with it? Wouldn't you want a pet Luna slime?
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>>184456853
>gained +1 defense so 2drops and most 3drops cant kill it
>nerfed
He is still dangerous as fuck
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Trying PtP forest again. It's fucking terrible.
Relegated to memes.
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>>184456439
Nvm that. What I'd like to know is if Cygames are breaking any Steam rules by forcing the game to install somewhere you didn't specify when you first installed the game
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>hop onto shadowverse after nerfs
>play haven
>12 game win streak because the shadowbabs have come back out the woodwork
I WILL LIBERATE YOU
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>>184456958
I tried PtP forest on Elite AI (not Elite 2), it was super fun. Too bad it is trash due to the amount of aggro and healing.
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9 and I buy the forest prebuilt
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>>184456853
Unlike Zell, the stat change actually kept him relevant. You actually have to throw something reasonably big at him now if you don't have removal.
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>>184456627
>1 queen
Why call it dreadqueen OTK if you only run 1?
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>>184456958
Dude I hate Forest more than any other players or dshift. But try putting every heal bitch, including that Elf lego and see how it does against unaware and inexperienced people.
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>>184457132
I'm sorry
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>>184457132
Odds and I buy 3 dragon precon
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>>184457132
If I got a 9 you buy it!
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>>184457008
A lot of games store files outside of the main game folder.
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guys should i get a pair of beauty and beast? at this point i crafted all tier 1-2 decks exept neutral sword, neutral forest and aegis heaven but i wouldn't be playing aegis because i love playing seraph
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>>184456067
Please don't delude yourself, Snek was already dead long before the Baphomet nerf.
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>>184457229
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>>184457373
>Sub 45% WR deck
It's not even a good meme.
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>>184454705
at least belph is erection inducing
http://sv.bagoum.com/voice/e/vo_703641010_1.mp3
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>>184457373
I want Vampy's cunny in my face
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>>184457373
Jump ship and netdeck the most broken shit like you always do.
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>Rowen in Isabelle's story
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>>184457323
not the whole 2 gb of game though
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>>184457510
Look another discord friend showed up to give some support!
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>>184457765
>reddit hates lolicons
what a surprise
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Mom!
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>>184457517
>Rowen in general
Literally just there to suffer, I really hope he somehow finds a way to lift that fucking curse
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>>184457649
Wait, they moved the whole fucking thing there? That might be a rule violation then, I don't know.
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>>184457484
>no one will ever edit this gif with Rowen jacking off and showing a JO crystal in the background
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>>184457373
No unless you already ramp dragon cards you can meme with whale forest and catch people offguard
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>>184457823
Reddit is full of Vampyshitters, actually.
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>>184457823
But vampy is literally older than Eris and her body is that of a college whore.
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Yo /svg/ help me make this bad boi works, you know exactly i'm asking you guys help ;)
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>>184455734
Just shield of flame/serpent's wrath/sadistic night/etc bro. God forbid an aggro cuck like you has to work for dem face points. This ain't a welfare meta gon' give you free damage
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>>184457843
>Nexus Eris just immediately cuts him off, barely gets to say hi to his family
Poor Rowen.
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>>184457823
reddit hates anything that's fun.
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>>184457973
Got a source on that? I don't go to reddit so I wouldn't know.
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>Another month of firstverse

oh boy

losing games because i made the play mistake of losing the coin flip at the start of the game
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>>184457986
please delete this slander
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Is grimmnir worth vialing or he's still useful?
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>>184458097
Vial him and recraft him if needed is the safe answer.
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>>184458059
Aggro wants to go first so that's inevitable to a degree, but no more Spawn and no more turn 3 Goblin means it's not anywhere near as bad as it was.
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>>184457883
time to report to Steam support.
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>>184457843
No chance. Why do you thing he's voiced by Sugita.
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>>184458219
Until the next weeks shadow log comes out and shows everyone is still below 45% still
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>>184457994
You seen to have misclicked and added anomaly instead of bolt. You should go fix that.
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>>184457373
No. If you ever get matched up against all 2 people that play it you'll know why.
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>>184458059
B-B-BUT GOBLIN LEADER GOT NERFED
>Plays Khaiza or whatever instead
IMPOSSIBRU
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>>184456439
Wait wait wait, what's this about installing on the os drive?
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>unranked
>my nep vs ??? dirt rune
>plays oz on 6 with caprice, snowmen everywhere
>he stabilizes and starts saving his daughter
>motherfucking DRAGONBOND MAGE + 1 cost rited calamity
>DRAGONS EVERYWHERE
>I manage to clear with zombie hordes
>Oz + Caprice again
>Illusionist into MOTHERFUCKING DRAGONBOND again + 1 cost spells
>SO MANY DRAGONS AAAAAA DRAW ALL THE REMOVAL AND PLAY THE KHAWYS QUICK
>end up with exact lethal with 4 snowmen to face with 0 (zero) cards left in deck
>golly it's chilly in here!
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>Laddering in low low A rank
>haven aegis
>then d-shift
>then THIS HEAD
it's been less than a day and I already miss spawn. Somehow I managed to win against them all and then lose against pepe sword who BM me like a tard
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>>184458427
They moved 90% of the install data to your user/appdata folder.
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>>184458059
Play midrange sword.
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>>184458512
But why.
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>rowen drops phoenix roost and tilting at the windmills
>his ultimate carrot is infinite and costs 1pp so he spams it and continuously clears the board
>then he drops PtP
What the everliving fuck did I just witness
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>play daria
>brick
>hag concedes at turn 1 insight

This feels alright.
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how do we make Deepwood anomaly good

Looking Glass+Windmill+Deepwood

hmmm?
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>>184458690
Dumb nips thought it might discourage modding.
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I hope for one day control golem PtP rune is tier 1. I want to see the suffering of my opponent over my wall of wards and inevitable 6 damage to everything.
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>>184458843
Windmill is a dragon card.
Looking glass can't touch anomaly until youqueen it.
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>>184458493
Nothing holding back

>>184458717
The heart of the memer

>>184458843
Read the text to looking glass
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>>184458867
What modding?
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>People still complaining about going second
>mfw I'm playing Midsword so I don't care whether I go first or second
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>>184458867
Is that the official word or just a guess?
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>>184458920
>>184458930
haha im retarded
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>>184458881
Wards will never be viable.
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>someone doesn't fall for my midsword meme post
>post it again
>this time with anime

kill yourself
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>>184458881
Just abomination bro

>>184458967
Deckbuilding is neat.
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>>184458978
Just a guess, there's no other sensible reason to try and hide the data.
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>my kys blood lose to Dshift
>my Dirt lose to Dshift
They're unstoppable thanks to golems
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>>184457994
g....g..guys???
>>184458350
i just want to meme and still win with awesomeness, like jabberwock.
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>>184459060
Wait till they release a card that has Earth sigil: give all your golem Lecia buff and +2/+2 you will cry in your sleep.
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>>184459147
Ahem,


>15 storm dmg from Zeus
>15 Storm dmg from gilgamesh
>12 dmg from Lucifer evo
>9 dmg from Levi Evo crimson sorcery
>9 dmg from disaster witch crimson sorcery
>9 dmg from halo golem
>9 dmg from demonic strike
>6 dmg from runes
>6 dmg from dance of death
>6 Storm dmg from commence experiment/conjure guardian/etc. cantrip fueled blade mages
>3-15 dmg from mutagenic bolts
>3 dmg from snipes
>3 dmg from magic missile
>3 dmg from angel of the word
>3 dmg from consistency lyrial evo
>3 dmg from barrages
>(123)114(102)(99)(93) burn depending on lyrial/levi/Luci evo. Obviously Olivia is very mean. with another 9ish avg each

Rune is able to kill 6 leaders before its conjuring force board and rune/DoD's bend you over with snowmen and golems.
Snowy Conjuring Guard Burn confirmed tier 0
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are the new Dragon/Swordcraft prebuilt decks worth it? I wouldn't mind an alt art albert, but I play midsword and ramp dragon, I'm relatively new so I was wondering if it's worth it at all?
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>>184457994
>>184459175
Ain't no fixin the pixin anon. Let it go
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>>184457994
>He bought the forest deck

I saw someone use deepwood with dread queen, maybe put her in
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>>184459175
Winning with anomaly outside of take 2 is impossible unless your opponent is bricked hard. You'd have a higher WR with PtP or token aggro.
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>>184459293
Now do the math for dragonclaw Dragon and get spooked.
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>>184459337
Don't you have to pay with real money for those? why you wasting your parents hard earned cash on this game when you can play for free?
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>>184459378
interesting, deepwood and what neutral card?
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>>184459524
just do google surveys
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>>184459528
Zeus
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>>184459378
>>184459528
Forest already has Wolf for that. The best set up for it is to drop 0 cost anomaly and then play enhanced warden. It's hard to clear the whole thing without a baha/themis.
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>>184459528
Bahamut.

Baha to clear board, anomaly to finish.
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Which is better to craft merlin or aegis? Asking for friend.
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>>184459337
Dragon is for the 4300 nerf vials + 1000 if you have 3 Sybils already.
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Are the new leaders going to be purchasable with gold?
Moon Bunny alone is enough to turn me into a hag fag.
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I wish Zell is a forest card.
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>hear 3x Dshit activations on background
>alt+tab
>I'm alive
My sides
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>>184459693
Aegis has no replacement, Lou can be used as a budget replacement for Merlin.
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>>184459060
>Death's Breath
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>>184459724
>Are the new leaders going to be purchasable with gold?
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>>184459724
>no point changing Urias since he is best leader and a suave motherfucker
>same with rowen, he memes harder than kaiba
>Arisa shits all over selwyn and the fairy whore
I'm considering the skeleton and daria though, but it would be weird since I dislike d-shift
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So Is playing Shadowverse now going to kill my SSD? I only use my SSD to run windows.
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Thank you to all anon-kun! Enjoy godess of the wood blessing.
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>>184459907
the previous one was 500 gold so why wouldn't this one be?

r-right??
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>>184460068
That's a big girl
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We're reaching meme levels that shouldn't even be possible
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>>184459724
>not being a hagfag for Garuda
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>>184460056
It was eating 99% of my CPU for no reason whatsoever. I gave up on downloading the pc version of this game.
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>>184460180
This is gonna get nerfed for sure.
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I have 16k vials, what should I make?
I already have 3 Eachtar, 3 Sibyl and all that bullshit so that isn't an option. Is Seraph any good post-nerf?
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>>184460056
>So Is playing Shadowverse now going to kill my SSD?
It's going to kill your sanity. Don't forget, cygames kekemasters are among us.
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>mfw no one is prepared for prince catacomb anymore
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>>184460323
go roost dragon
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>>184460335
More like everyone is busy memeing and trying out new builds until the nip netdeck sites ruin everything again.
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>>184458967
Yeah, you lose either way :^)
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In what world is Spiderweb Imp balanced?
>1/4 ward with """""""""""""""''''downside""""""""""""""""""
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Why do people complain about Shadow in a game called Shadowverse? The main character is always supposed to win.
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they somehow managed to make the alt card voices worse, well done cygames.
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>>184460526
Just Owlcat it bro.
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>>184460526
Same way how levi is balanced
>2pp 2/2 deal 3 damage to face
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>>184460645
Levi is 3pp.
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>>184460318
Oh boy, they nerfed Ouro without knowledge of that deck, Kys and dreadshift? Talk about incompetence. But since it's Dragon, I am sure that it'll get nerfed. Cygames even use a vampy pic for their forum avatar.
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>>184460526
''''''''yurius'''''''''
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>10 win streak with nep
>start exclusively queuing into dshift
I swear to god I'm going to kill you people
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I just went against a dragon that had the most bullshit hand possible
>dragon oracle on turn 2, 3 and 4
>ouroborus on 5
>conflagration on 6
>Grimnir on 7
And then he dropped all kind of storm bullshit.
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>>184460783
I don't remember yurius having ward
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>>184460180
And that 's why they've kept Roost in "maintenance" for 3 months. They've tried avoiding Bahazell so hard, then printed a billion new ways to storm face and OTK for Dragon in the next expansion.
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Is Alicex3 a good vial investment?
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>>184460805
This isn't even a good hand.
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>>184460805
Perfect curve and atomemes can happen to every craft and deck.
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>>184460826
>implying Yurius isn't broken
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>>184460180
Post dick? I got 3 queens ready to go
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Who VIALS here?
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>>184460795
Post dick
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>>184460915
>>184460939
I almost got to win, but if Ouroborus still had the healing effect, the game would have been over on turn 5.
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>>184460795
You should kill yourself instead shadownigger.
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>>184460756
Cygames is a bunch of mean cancers. I can't wait the time where they'll kill dragon despite Neutral, Shadow and Blood existing or what the meta looks like meta.
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>there are people in this general right now that think Yurius isn't overstatted
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>>184461109
See, the nerf was perfectly justified.
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I crafted Oz with nerf vials. Give me Rune deck lists that use her, please.
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>>184461257
MOMMMM
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>>184461260
Brick dirtrune.
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Is the neutral core still strong overall? Curious if ToG-style Shadow or Neutral Ledger Shadow is the better Midrange list right now.
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>Forte+Urd
>Dragon start spamming sorry
>play Nep
>laughter stops
I don't regret crafting Nep. Fuck your ramp bullshit
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>>184461116
>complaining about a deck that takes 10 turns to kill you on a good day
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>>184460180
>see this
>next game is roost dragon that plays roost right into bahazell

Roost is gonna get put back on 'maintenance' isn't it
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>>184461242
>there are people in this general right now that think that Yurius is overstatted
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>>184461436
Yes, but nobody is climbing anymore. Let's wait a bit longer till Blood Cat start showing up again.
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>>184461436
If you have card draw it's still stronk since you'll have a good hand to buff alice with and can dump board for feria.
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>>184461537
come on anon, roost is perfectly fine. just try to play around like how you dodged khawy
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Any fun/good deck recommendations for new players? Any particular legendaries I should keep my eye on?
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>>184461436
>ToG style shadow
>when they've nerfed the two best cards out of that deck
All you get is a shitty pesudo dirt rune last words deck now that does nothing until turn 7.
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>>184461686
D-Shift and Eachtar deck are good for newbie.
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>>184461423
Ok, give the list.
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>>184461528
>incredible!
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>>184461686
Control Forest, be sure to craft 3 Anomaly
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>>184461686
>>184461758
Sword is the most noob friendly class, play midrange sword isntead. Then go aegis haven
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>>184461537
Did anyone actually think it was a bug they took 3 months to fix? They knew this shit was going to break considering the extent of the card pool at this point, but they couldn't keep bullshitting that it still hadn't been fixed.
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Concede please
75431
Stay if you want a concede back
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>>184461686
>Any particular legendaries I should keep my eye on?
Look for Spawn of the Abyss, Ouroboros and Princess Snow White. Those have just been nerfed and can be vialed and turned into any legendary of your choice.
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>>184461861
Roost never really took off because even Seraph would kill you. Because you get to drop Roost and then YOUR opponent is the first to profit from it.
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>>184461856
>Sword is the most noob friendly class, play midrange sword isntead.
>When Midsword needs just as much leggos and golds as Midshadow and DShift to work
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>>184455670
but really konosuba is good
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>>184461768
You can replace kaleido with more Levi/smelter now that Tove is dead.
Get ready to not draw ANY sigils or ALL the sigils without activators though.
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>Lion of the Golden City popping Dual Flames on turn 5 for 13/13 value
>March Hare's Teatime turn 5, Garuda turn 6 for 9 unavoidable leader damage and a good board at the cost of two evolves
>playing both of these along with the neutral engine makes it even better
>tfw
I don't wanna be a hagfag, but the game makes it so damn tempting.
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>>184461796
He didn't get as close as the last guy

>that moment when you almost lose to pendant satan.
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>>184461870
Thanks Snow White
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>the IA just skip their turn when they have no response for lethal next turn
hehe
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>>184461856
Midsword isn't cheap anymore.
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>they ruined snow white
shes literally not even legendary now
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>>184461528
Doesn't matter. You play shadow you are a nigger.
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>>184462075
>rin gon
Is this RoB?
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So what's the new teir0 cancer?
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>>184462052
I used to play grinder dirt during RoB so I'm used to that. Thanks!
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>>184462014
We aren't just talking about cost here anon, but also skill requirement. If he want something cheap and deadly might as well crafting roach forest for easy kill. We all know, sword is in the lowest skill requirement paradigm.
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Is there a way of getting crystals without forking over money?
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>>184462116
>the AI constantly emote while beating me
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>>184462075
Looks like Dragon is always in disadvantage no matter what expansion.
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>>184462234
>skill in children card game
I seriously hope you werent serious.
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>>184461686
Don't listen fags who recommend you midsword. You need strong T1 deck. Drit with professor is very cheap and strong. Aegis probably will be meta. Wait until updated tier list
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>that German translation
I mean the grammar is fine but still what where they thinking when writing those card texts. Instead of the German word for "a" they simply wrote "1". Every single time. Just why
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What the fuck is wrong with this updater?
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>>184462052
I only have 2 oz. What should I replace her with?
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>>184462528
Melvie.
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>>184462256
That what he gets for trying to Satan. He would've lost to any other control deck as well.
Should've just poly roared him to death.
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>>184462507
Mine is worse. It was at 99%.
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>>184462415
>anything meta when Neutral, Shadow and cat exists
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>>184462449
Tanaka-san studied German for a whole 2 years anon
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>>184462507
its reinstalling the entire game
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>>184462528
You need 3. Melvie is bad. She will kill you
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>>184461436
Neutralshit got a slap on the wrist. Of course it's still strong.
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>9/10 on turn 6
what did Forest mean by this
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remind me what is today nerf?
he bandersnatch twice
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>>184462763
So is it safe to go back to control blood like I was trying to do at expansion launch?
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>>184462750
just banish bro
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>>184462864
Cblood was T4 before nerfs...
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>>184462750
Master of meme is 6pp 12/12
>>184462864
Get back to DE blood you cuck
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>>184462763
Why did anyone think Bandersnatch wouldn't be used in cblood? It was the original 'star this shit day 0 because it'll be Spawn's scapegoat''.
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>>184462616
I know, I uninstalled it beforehand so it didn't have to move files itself. It still shouldn't be taking half of my cpu constantly to install it.
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>>184462750
just eachtar bro
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>>184462975
Emeralda
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>>184462997
Mobile game programming hard at work.
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>>184462948
Expansion LAUNCH. Launch.
There were no tiers back then.
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>>184462997
Botnet is real
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>>184463083
Esmeralda is simply a follower with too many effects
Bander was literally designed to pull Spawn, none of bloods other cards bander can pull are useful, most of the cards that it would pull have fanfare effects.

They wanted bander to be the nerf-scapegoat.
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What would be a good replacement for goblin leader?problem is forest doesn't have anything similar
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>>184463223
I bet they were disappointed nobody actually used him :^)
Next time they print something even more retarded, they can always have him as a backup nerf though.
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>>184462997
Well ask Hiro for advice since our overlord is the steal your data God incarnate.
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>>184463223
I think he means it interferes with your ability to run anything over 6PP BUT Spawn. Emeralda Temptress, and even snek are both shitty bander pulls. Ironically Arthas is kind of okay.
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>>184463223
So what you're saying is that sybil is definitely getting nerfed next month because she has too many effects as well?
Nice.
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>>184462175
Free 10k vials anon. She wasn't even that game deciding, so it's overall a good thing if you are haven.
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>6/1 Belph on my board
>shadownigger runs ghostly grasp out of spite for maximum efficiency
You got me, ese
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Swordbabs get so wrecked by Roost its not even funny
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This stream was taken after nerf, still disgusting in my honest opinion as a non cheating dragon bro player. Kikegames really make a good job nerfing this mollusc.

Lets do some retarded math, wolf is 8pp with rush and smaller bodies than bander. Both pulled biggest pp card and change it into 0pp. Lets say he drop second tentacle, then its will be auto include 5 storm damage from second card and ability for a big body to kill ward, and open a full 11 damage from first tentacle. That poor eris here killed by OTK which doesnt combo preparation and hand size. inb4 B rank, no im Beginner 4 you dirty vampire.
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>>184460180
Hear the Dragon quack!
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I stopped playing after ToG. Did WD saved the meta?
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>>184463672
No, I'm saying esmeralda will never get nerfed because she doesn't really 'enable' any particular cancer, unlike what Bander was meant to do and what baph ended up doing.
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>>184463739
I want to rub my forehead across that dick.
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>>184464172
It made it worse. Remains to be seen if today's nerfs fixed anything.
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>>184464172
*Did WD save
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Since Grimnir got nerfed, is it still auto include in decks, or can you swap it out for something else now?
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>>184460837
You don't need Roost to storm face hard. It's far more risky than just doing normal storm ramp. That's why roost has always been and will always be a meme card, the moment you play it if your opponent isn't playing the greediest aggro decks in the game there's a good chance he can end the game.
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>>184464353
Still autoinclude
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>>184464192
Esmeralda is better than Alucard and Ouroboros since she can remove ward and destroy amulets too. And storm if you're losing and need that lethal or destroy an follower+trade.
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>>184464353
I swapped it out for AE.Also thinking about teching in jungle warden.
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>>184464353
I took it out. Its only use in ramp dragon now is as a 2/3 ward on 3pp, and that gets run over easily by the decks you want it against anyway (i.e neutral aggro).
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>>184464353
You can swap it in pretty much every craft now. Him no longer hitting face is actually a big deal.
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>>184464353
No reason to run him in blood now unless you want 2 Grimnirs.
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>>184464469
with*
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>>184464172
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>184464449
Yeah, she's a super useful card
But you could say Levi is a super useful card for rune and roach is a super useful card to forest
Esmeralda herself is not game defining, or nerf worthy.
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>>184464632
Well they nerfed Ouroboros
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Her name is Emeralda, you shitters
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How do I move the game files back to where I originally installed them? My OS is on an SSD and I don't want to waste space for no reason.
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>>184464694
Early Ourobo is game ending though.
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>>184464172
Yes. Shadow is dead.
Hope you enjoy losing to sword,blood,haven and rune on turn 4 now instead of 7
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>teatime not nerfed
Prepare for 70% winrate.
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Wow I just started playing Dshift. I forgot what it was like to win. I've embraced the cancer and it is beautiful.
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>>184464929
Roach is as well, I think.
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>>184463995
>dragon
>non cheating
MOMMY I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL TURN 10 TO PLAY MY BIG CARDS WAAAAAAAA
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>>184465030
I've been dumpstering every haven I face. Even had a guy go 5 -> tea time 6 -> tea time etc, it didn't matter. I guess Garuda would have been more impactful though.
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>>184465030
Don't you mean eachtar?
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>>184465135
Roost is literally our guy's meme.
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>>184464449
>Esmeralda is better than Alucard
Only if you have vengeance.
Pretty much every spawn deck was running Alucard over her because it was a guaranteed otk0 on turn 7, if you could get the turn 6 spawn out.
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>whale dragon heals over 20 health in a single match
>audacity to emote spam
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Who is this guy? Only streamers and other somewhat famous people get the verification, right?
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>>184465309
>thinking its ever okay to emote spam
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>>184465309
don't let it get to you!
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>>184464694
Dragons play plan with "increase your play points", while unique, is so game breaking its not even funny. I'm surprised they haven't nerfed more of dragon thanks to it.
I think near the beginning of the game they thought "yeah this is a good idea" and now its just impossible to print cards for dragon.
Similar to how its impossible to print cards for forest thanks to roach

Ouro out on turn 4-5 is basically game over.
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>>184465396
That doujin is great
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>>184465356
>he doesn't know who fuudo is
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>need one Haven win
>don't have Haven deck
>15 loses in row
>ranked is meta central
JUST
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>>184465356
https://twitter.com/hashibirofood
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>>184465513
N-no bully.
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spent all my nerf vials crafting this
please tell me it's not a mistake
at least it's fun
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>>184465512
>anything with Kanako
>great
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>>184465356
I bet he plays some sort of cancer like he always does.
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>>184465465
NOOOOOOOOOOOO DELET THIS HAVING 10PP ON TURN 6 IS BALANCED
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>>184465465
Are you a new player? Ramp was terrible until Tempest. Literally the only thing that makes it good is Sibyl. It sounds like you don't understand the history of the game at all. Yeah, ramp dragon is now disgusting from time to time, but for most of this game's existence it was so bad that Rowen had by far the most memes made for him out of any of the leaders.
So this is a recent problem. Also, I don't think they really care about "design space". Certainly not as much as players do. Look at the cards they printed in Tempest and WD. The last thing on the developers minds is, "How will this interact with the cards we already have?"
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>>184465670
It's alright, I'm doing fairly well with it.
Managing 5-6 winstreaks and only losing when I brick really hard.
That's on 9k though, since I dropped a bit trying to play dragon after I got GM.
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>>184465680
He was playing D-SHIFT. He bricked so I won with my burn dirt.
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>>184465692
>turn 6 in current meta
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>>184465465
I never really cared about Ouroboros. However, you guys don't realize that it is nearly impossible to drop Ouroboros facing a strong board, this is literally suicide. You need to trade the existing board or else your opponent is going to remove Ouroboros and keep its board and face damage intact.
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>>184465840
>sybil
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>>184462202
Storm haven
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>>184465670
I kinda want to try this but I'm missing 1 Queen and 2 Israfils and I kinda don't want to use my vials for a meme.
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>>184465702
>Forest
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>>184465927
Oh wow. A fucking 3 point heal around 5 turn.
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>>184466203
>3hp heal on top of ramp and a gigantic body that has to be removed
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>>184465203
Don't you mean both?
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>>184466203
Which is exactly the average damage taken by that point
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>>184465203
Don't you mean aegis?
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>>184465692
>>184465702
>>184465842
>dragon have a 8/4 carrot demonic strike with healing angel as its last words on turn 5 is balanced

Ok
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>when sword plays frontlines going first on turn 1
Is this the worst feeling in the game? RIBBIT
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>>184466009
just craft the queen and replace israfils with gilgamesh
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Can someone post a dragon deck please?
I need to do 2 dailies and I can't reroll.
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>>184466412
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>>184466412
If you are having trouble with Ouro I don't know what to say. I vialed mine. Not a relevant card. Whether or not you think the nerf was needed, lots of dragon decks dropped him before it happened, so...
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>t6 pryo roar

wow!
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>people complaining about Ouro again
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>tfw midshadow is underwhelming
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>>184466664
It's bizarre. Can someone explain to me why people complain MORE about a card after it gets nerfed and will never see use again?
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>>184466412
It's like you never tried to ramp in your life.
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>almost every match is against MidShadow

Oh no, did anyone see this coming? I thought that if they nerfed Blood, then nerfed all the crafts below Shadow, things would be fine.
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So for what reason do they put two cards into one pre build deck they themselves degraded to trash with the same update?
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ROOSTED
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>8 control/combo matchups in a row
I'm liking this meta already.
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>>184466719
Dragoncucks get salty and start crying, bringing attention to the card and making people list the reasons they think he should've been nerfed.
Same happened with snow white.
Same will happen if they nerf hectar.
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>>184466770
Statistics prove you wrong. Shadow is dead in master+Gmaster Or are you saying shadowlogs stats are false?
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>>184466829
Too bad about all the degenerate hard wincons they added in the last few sets. If they'd just do something about that garbage design philosophy we could have a decent DE-style meta again.
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>>184466452
Someone help?
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>>184465702
>ramp was terrible and rowen was a meme
What about vengance? What about muh commanders that got ignored the whole time?
Rowen should remain a meme because ramp is worst than d-shift when it works.
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give me a roost deck before I drop this game
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>go second 5 times in a row
>with an aggro deck
PLS
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>>184466664
>sword/shadow/blood/arguably rune and forest all have no ways of dealing with ouro at all outside of running odin
>Ouro is perfectly balanced, just play dragon or haven or pray you have muta/caprice/lily or survive to turn 8 and have odin in your deck AND have it in your hand
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>>184466817
>bullying Seraph

Shame on you, Rowen.
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>>184466891
They are only fake when they prove me wrong, so of course they are fake.
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>>184466930
I didn't want to post mine because it's not optimized, but I'll hook you up after my game.
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>>184466959
>make ramp dragon deck
>remove grimnirs
>add roost
>make face dragon deck
>remove grimnirs
>add roost
>make neutral dragon deck
>remove grimnirs
>add roost
You're all set.
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>>184466930
Add everyhtibg that ramps and strong beatstick followers. If you get pwrfect meme ramp then you will win
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37273
Need concede
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>>184466953
>can interact
>can get fucked the whole game
>worse than dshift
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>have fun with carabosse pre-patch
>built extremely low curve to spam followers but you could confirm pull with baphomet
>now that baphomet is nerfed, you have to mulligan hard for carabosse or risk running out of steam early
yudodis
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>>184466891
>literally 2nd most played class in Masters on shadowlogs
>2nd highest winrate class in the game
Why do shadowniggers always lie?
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>>184463739
>>184467205
Explain to me what are (You) trying here. Shill?
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>>184467183
thanks
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>>184467306
>hags trying to change history again
>>
How do you uncensor the game now?
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>>184467250

baph gutting killed so many options for blood. Soul Dealer + Bloody Mary, Snakes, Temptress Vamp, Carabosse aggro. It's just a shit, boring card now.
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>>184467064
Thanks.
>>184467127
I don't have many dragon cards but I have a ton of vials, so I kinda wanted to know what to craft.
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>>184466043
"Forest is dead" meme is not even close to Rowenposting. I have an entire folder dedicated to Rowen memes that died with ToG.
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>>184466891
>statistics
What statistics? Pre-nerf statistics had Midshadow as the second strongest deck. It was doing really well on both ladder and tournaments.
We have no data for post-nerf.
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stop printing fucking tutor cards if you want to print wincons.
jesus fuck Baph didn't deserve this.
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>>184467463
hear, hear
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>>184467443
>use deckcode qz02 or
>https://shadowverse-portal.com/deckbuilder/create/4?hash=1.4.5_394.5_394.5_394.6I772.5_38w.5_38w.5_38w.6AaSQ.6AaSQ.6AaSQ.62sZM.62sZM.62sZM.6EI-M.6923i.6ENss.6ELQm.6ELQm.6EQIo.6EQIo.6EQIo.6AY0A.6AY0A.6AY0A.6EM9A.694Vy.694Vy.5_5bA.6Cuey.6Cuey.66lqK.66lqK.694Vo.694Vo.6Cueo.6Cueo.6Giny.6Giny.62xRi.62xRi

This is kind of a slow meme deck with the cards I had on hand. If you want something quicker, try subbing out the top end for Fortes. Also, dragon is kind of a wallet class, if you don't have most of the legends and just want to do the dailies, I'd suggest just throwing together the low, cheap followers like Mushy together with Hippogryph Riders/some fortes.
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>>184467679
Get fucked bloodnigger. You're still tier 1 strong.
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>>184467798
I just wanted to play Aza OTK.
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>>184467675
Except we do. Shadow is getting slaughtered by neutral anything because they have no early aggresion and removal to deal with supercharged alice neutral shit
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>>184466412
Is ok in the end
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>>184467894
>Except we do
Post them then, faggot.
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>>184467463
This. Newfags really don't understand the depths of the Rowen memes pre Tempest.
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until when will we get the bonus vials for the nerfed card?
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>>184467894
>Shadow is getting slaughtered by neutral anything
>was the uncontested best class at combating Neutral Blood
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>>184467960
Until the next batch of nerfs. Seriously, do people not read the articles?
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>>184467869
>mfw not a bloodnigger
>mfw 2pp Beast dominator meme in a key deck
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>>184467741
I started playing a couple days ago but ended up whaling and buying the 7500 crystal offer 2 times.
So I can probably afford buying a couple prebuilts to fill in what I'm missing.
Thanks a lot for the help.
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>>184467960
Until next patch. That could be at the end of August.
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>>184468031
>neutral blood, a deck made to win at turn 7 by passing 2 turns
>thinks neutral blood is a "neutral" deck when neutral decks win at turn 4
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>>184467894
Actually shadow is one of the few decks that could come back with corpse into thighs into evolve.
It just completely falls apart if they remove your lw enablers and folds to late game decks.
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>>184468169
Cat and Hectar spam is a neutral deck.
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>>184467426
>>184434662
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>>184468256
Nobody played neutrals in shadow, don't lie.
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>>184468386
Eh, he's talking about neutral blood.
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>>184468386
They ran goblin leader for free shadows
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what the fuck is that new dshift going around with the storm guy and the spellboost sword
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>>184468485
Why, when chimera is better?
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>>184468535
>new
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>>184468535
Thats the turn 4 dshift deck
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>>184468535
It's the old dshift deck.
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>>184468535
That shit has been around for 4 months.
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>>184454507
Hit face for 9 when they only heal for 6.
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>>184468535
That was literally the only Dshift that was viable in Alicecraft since it lethaled about 2 turns earlier.
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>>184468535
That's relatively old by now.
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So Sibyl just needed alternative art to start getting fanart.
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>>184468608
>>184468632
>>184468670
>>184468694
>>184468704
>>184468725
I saw it for the first time post nerfs a couple of times in a row, I was misled
what's the dicklist and why it looks like it had a spike in usage post nerfs?
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>>184468918
Looks meh though.
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>>184466350
I'm fucking half dead by that point while playing against anything aggressive, a 3 point heal isn't gonna save me.
>>
haven't been keeping up with the meta recently, which of the recently nerfed cards are instant vials now?
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>>184468962
Because neutral blood got nerfed a bit, opening more room for slower decks and Dshitters are the kind of scum that crawl out of their shitty holes the moment they smell someone they can cheat out of their honest victory.
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>best 2-card combo
>most fun card
>best OTK combo
go
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78383 concede please
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>>184469121
All of them because you can just make them again.
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>>184468962
It's spiking because DShift isn't autolose anymore.
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>>184469163
Teatime + Garuda
Aegis
OTK is cheating
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>>184469194
>not Snow White petting Memonic Simuladream
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>>184469194
thanks
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>>184469163
Teatime Garuda
Roach
I dunno what you mean by this, but Phoenix Rosst is sick.
>>
Has anyone tried playing neutral shadow with ledger? You put in the neutral package without caterpillar, 3x attendant and maybe some corpses too.
But I guess there is no real reason to play that over Eachtar as of now.
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>>184469150
>>184469208
I mean, why that variant and not the more popular one before the buffs with flame destroyers? how do the speed/consistency of the 2 compare?
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>Encrypt Network
Since when is this an option?
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>>184469163
I don't know
Walfrid
Altered fate dragonnewt
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>>184469467
Neutral without ledger seems better
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Alright lads, feed me the best Ramp Dragon and Midshadow lists.
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Is there any prebuilt deck worth buying as a newfag?
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>>184467435
They should've just removed the enhance but keep the tutor effect.
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>died to dimshift on T8 without being able to do anything at C1
X fucking D
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>>184469841
New Shadow, Dragon, Haven prebuilts are pretty good.
The old Shadow one is nice too.
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>>184469841
New Dragon Prebuilt because you get 3x Sybil and 3x Leggo of your choice now that Ouro got nerfed.
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>>184469841
Dragon deck is literally a gold and lego of choice + the best lego in the class
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>>184469480
Good question. Why is this an option at all?
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>>184469841
Whatever has golds you're needing.
Buying prebuilts is mostly for alt art on legendaries you like.
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>>184469841
shadow has good value if you're going for that but otherwise dragon is a free leggo vialing ouro, sibyl is also nice
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>>184469841
Dragon is good but you need a lot legos. Shadow is great. Maybe Haven
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>>184469468
I guess they are hoping to get the dream draws and I think it's generally better because you need less dshifts to kill since they have storm already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ack-ZtiKuYI
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If I use Looking Glass on a Swordcraft Commander, will it get a buff from Valkyrie Spear and Luminous Standard, or just Spear??
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>>184470025
>botnet
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>>184469841
Forest Anomaly deck, don't listen to the memers who tell you it's shit
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neutral blood is still a pretty darn good deck. Definitely going to play it to another top 10k next season
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>>184468241

Without grimnir wrecking your face its not so bad now. Games could go on 20+ turns and I still come out on top without running out of cards thanks to demon eater.
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>>184470208
>that bouncing Arisa
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So what if we took Aggro Bats, right?
And we put Carrabossa in it for the sustain?
And now that we have Carrabossa, we can make room for the new high-value midgame tempo cards like BKB and Sabruer?
I'll be waiting for my Mensa acceptance letter in the mail, thank you very much.
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>>184470226
Spear
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>>184470591
darn
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>>184469163
Dreadshift
Dragoon
Pre-nerf Spawn + Alucard
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>>184470558
What if we played literally any deck BUT that?
Riddle me that, brainlet.
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>>184470386
I prefer goblin mage to khaiza since 2 gobbos+3bapho+3cat means you'll be drawing by turn6 anyways
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>>184469467

Turns out neutral shit post gob nerf is shit. Whole fucking thing relied on busted card and their stupid gimmick.
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Give it to me straight, how viable is dreadshift or is it just another passing meme?
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They added new languages. Any free packs if you
log in into them?
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>Dragon Rowen back
Dragon Rowen skin when?
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>>184465356
He's a Street Fighter player. He's won Evo for SF4 before.
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>>184469467
Why not put Eachtar in alongside Neutral Ledger? That's what I've been doing. The high-roll is monstrous.
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>>184470828
Tier 0
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>>184470558
Loses to every variant of haven
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>>184470859
I want to log into Luna.
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Post deck code
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>>184471053
qzz1
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Is the old uncensor still working?

Bella's tits are covered again and it takes away part of my enjoyment when evolving Merlin.
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>>184470889
Takes away your turn 4 Alice.
You can potentially get stuck with a turn 3 do nothing that can't even attack into shit.
It's just easier playing with actual synergy cards or just a full neutral package.
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>>184471029
This expression is really hot.
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>>184470828
I mean its a dshift deck
Most of them are memes in one way shape or form
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>>184471168
more
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>>184471229
I used them and it turned her all purple for me.
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>>184471053
r000
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Concede onegai
45459
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>>184469480
Holy shit what the fuck
uninstalling this shit right the fuck now

Remember people saying there was players DDoS' people? I think that's why.
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>>184470908
You're rusing me, right?
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>>184471385
r00p
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>>184471507
more
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>>184471573
No
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>>184471520
Thanks Snow White!
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>>184471428

Yeah. For me it simply didn't work.
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>>184471229
>not playing as superior rune leader.
Isaboobs is shit tier.
Especially after the main story she the whiniest of all leaders and Rowen had to come and make her stop being such a whiny and retarded bitch.
Old gentleman mage is the only way to play rune.
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>>184471520
>>184471764
>tfw you join in after someone already conceded
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>>184461796
why is there no wojak edit for arisa yet
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>>184456853
>can't just blackened scripture him anymore
He got a lot more dangerous.
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man this "win 1 match as bloodcraft" daily sure is taking a while
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>>184472168
Play aggro bats my friend. I got mine done within 5min.
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>>184470828
I managed to last till turn 17 against ramp dragon before drawing Queen and managed to win against kys blood
so it's pretty good
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>mfw opponent drops a BnB while i'm playing as forest
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>>184453331
Turns out that the church is actually a brothel disguised as a church and Eris finally regains her memories of all the sodomy she received as a child
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WISH ME LUUUUUUCK!
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>>184472378
>Dragon
>beating anyone
Dragon only beats people when the topic is the collection of nerfs.
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>>184472502
Good luuuuuuck
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>>184472456
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>>184472502
that's when I usually lose
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>>184472502
Draw well.
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>>184472502
I was in the same situation just now. Then I lost the last match because my opponent had Eachtar + Rise of the dead.
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>3 Eachtars in a row
>for some reason Eachtar can kill Bahamut without taking 1 damage himself
Sure seems nice for 7PP, when is everyone else getting one?
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>>184472502
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>>184472326

that's what I'm playing but I keep running into control/healfaggotry
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>>184472502
May no bricks come to you
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>>184472856
It's terribly inefficient.
You can kill Bahamut for 1 pp and 8 shadows, or 3pp and 4 shadow, or 3pp and 2 different cards.
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Guys, help.
I love Belphegor and want her alt art/sleeves but would feel like a retard paying 10 USD for a card I already have. What do?
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>>184473350
Vial a copy of her.
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>>184472662
>>184472703
>>184472715
>>184472852
>>184472934
>>184472991
I'VE FAILED
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>>184473350
But you don't have THIS Belphegor.
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Can someone give me a rundown of what classes you should be choosing in take two
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>>184469480
should i enable this option?
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Alright, hit me with your best memes, I literally don't give a fuck how bad it looks.
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>>184473350
I did it with Albert and I don't regret it one bit.
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Who's getting to GM with good ol unga bats?
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>run into a forest using looking glass to buff a field and a hand of fairies and roaches with alice
That was fucking annoying/
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JUST
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>>184473523

give deck my unga bats is doing super bad at A0
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Haven't played at all this expansion yet, what do I craft?
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>>184473510
Dreadshift
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>>184473626
dreadshift
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>>184473510
D.Alice Satan.
DreadSatanOz
>>
18519 Need a concede pls
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>>184473681
>>184473697
Definitely my favorite new meme.
Just get a bunch of people to waste vials on some crappy brickfest. Only dragon can be worse at this.
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>>184473621
I'm playing Satan's unga from the last thread, it did good for 2 games in masters. I didn't have the motivation to play anymore than that.
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>>184473825
I have it filtered, nothing good comes of making that deck.
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>>184472673
>then next turn drops another one
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>>184469480
>>184470025
>>184471531
>>184473502
They never even explained what the heck it's for.
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>>184473819
Gracias Pan de Carne
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>>184473227
If Dance of Death read "Kill target creature, OR summon a 5/5, OR buff all followers", it would be even better, not worse. And that's an either/or proposition, if it did all of the above it would be even better.
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Give me a storm haven deck pls.
Thanks in advance.
>>
Fucking ramp dragon. They never seem to brick when I play against them and get all their ramp and healing.
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>>184474181
x3 Teatime
x3 Garuda
smash the autofill and hard muli for them
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>4 games of dragonewt without a single altered
PROFOUND SADNESS
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If he is at 10k why isnt he grandmaster? I beat him so lol
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>>184474310
>complaining about a nerf craft
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>>184474391
trials
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>>184474391
He's doing the trials, dumbass.
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>>184474391
trials you fucking autist
>>
Can we get some pseudorandom distribution on this fucking 1st/2nd coin flip please? 8/10 games today have been me going second.
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>>184474398
>implying they nerfed sybil
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>>184474627
>he is still complaining about going second
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>Aegis
>Aegis
>Aegis
>Storm
It's time to swap for Dshift
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Priestesses are afraid of the sea.
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>>184474801
>Storm
Good luck getting raped.
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Oh...
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*goes first*
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>>184474627
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>>184474937
Dshift is alright against storm haven if you bounce their amulets around a bit
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Wyrm Godess has been working wonderfully for me today. In another note a lot of people seems to be playing today without being aware of the nerfs, i have seen 2 bloodcrafts drop the goat in turn 5, then wait like 2 minutes (to i suppose realize that the goat was nerfed) and then just concede lol
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>>184475158
Thank you.
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>>184475231
Mainyu into White Tiger into Holy Fox Gr
imaud
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>spawn is still bullshit

JUST FUCKING REMOVE IT FROM THE GAME
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>>184474447
>>184474475
>>184474605
t. Bella

Don't be mad I cucked you from grandmaster :^)
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>>184475609
>I lost to it once so it's still bullshit
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>>184475609
>8pp do nothing into bahamut damage
wwow
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>>184474765
>turn 5 do nothin
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I am unsure what to do with my shadow deck, I'm Still using kekthar cerberus and shit from the last expansion
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>>184475231
Only works if they brick. Once they start playing multiple Birdsongs you're kinda fucked.
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>>184475260
Yeah salarymen have no time to read blogposts
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>can't pull carabosse with baphomet anymore
>try to use her and baph in neutralcraft
>phantom cat is just better
>>
What's the next broken shit to spend my 30k vials on?
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>>184476170
Dre@dshift
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>>184476170
PtP Sword
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>>184475761
>implying they didn't get a single ramp in then bomb you with heals
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>>184476170
Wallet dragon
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>ambushed spawn still deals 13 face damage
Its Tempest nerfs all over again
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>>184476465
>letting your opponent have evolution points by turn 8
Git gud.
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What is the purpose of Dark Alice?
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>>184476668
being KMR's waifu
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Climbed 3k points with KYS blood today. Played mirror once. Wat the actually fuck.
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>>184476647
Sorry my bad, I should have forced him to use evo points with BKB or Emerelda
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Praise Garuda
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>>184473483
pls respong
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>>184476210
>actually changing the word because some anon said he filtered it
Dshitters are THIS pathetic.
>>
>>184473483
>>184476851
Shadow and Sword.
If you can't take either of them, then go for Haven, Blood and Dragon.
Avoid Rune and Forest like the plague.
>>
So with the nerfs in effect, what decks are dominating the meta in Masters right now?

Haven't been playing ranked for a while due to spawn and neutralcancer.
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>>184473483
Anything but Rune and Forest is good. According to Shadowlog http://shadowlog.com/2pick/ Shadow should be the best.
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>>184476961
>>184476997
thanks
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>>184468918
Yea we just needed to see her thick legs and cute feet
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>>184476992
Dshift, Aegis and Storm Haven, I've seen some Dragon too but fewer of them as I go higher than 12k points.
Face some Shadow too.
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>>184476841
Freedom bird a best. Teatime will get nerfed if freedom bird becomes meta.
>>
Carabosse Still worth crafting? Saw a deck in game-ai that runs three and I already have 1
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>have 2 d.jannu and 2 aegis
Guess I should get the precon. Have x3 of every other leggo
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>It's a "Dragon evolves Sybil into Momo" episode
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>>184476762
in masters?

post dick
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>>184477353
don't craft anything until the meta settles
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>>184476992
I see Shadow much more than anything.
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>>184477434
Good advice anon, thanks
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Is it me or are more ramp dragons running 3x saha 3x israfil 3x lucifer and of course 3x sybil with 3x dragon fervor. This shit is cancer to deal with holy fuck, unless you're playing aggro or they brick.
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>come across dshitter
>don't play anything for 5 turns except removals
>he starts losing cards to overdrawn
>drops and evolves merlin

Teatime
Garuda
Lion + dual flames

He dies to face damage frantically trying to spellboost.
>>
>>184476841
dick?
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>>184477602
Just Dshift bro
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>>184477602
Yeah netdragon

Literally one of the two decks posted on gameai for dragon since spawn and every whale faggot uses it.
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>>184476668
They had to give shadow some useless neutral synergy lego somehow
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>>184476668
satan+test of strength memes
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>>184477857
>no one would able to figure out how to put Sahas into a deck if they didn't copy it from a website
555-Come-On-Now-Anon...
At this point Saha/Luci is as much a staple of dragon as Albert in Sword. Not every dragon deck runs that package but its been back and forth since RoB.
>>
need a concede

14775
>>
>>184477602
Ramp always ran x3 Sibyl/Fervor.
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>>184477991
You don't even use neutral with dark alice

Literally all you want for neutrals is feat of strength, urd, prince of darkness.

Alice will make you pull only urd, feats, and prince

Urds will duplicate alice.

Then you prince to swap apoc deck

Before that you run normal mid shadow.

3x eachtar etc
>>
either i get blown out/brick (80% of the time) or my opponent bricks and can't do anything
god i hate this fuckin game
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>>184478479
thanks rowen

rip
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>>184478549
>draw prince before dark alice
>I'M LEAVING. HMPH!
>>>reddit spacing
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>>184478618
Yep, it's a curve contest. It's why I find it weird when people think skill plays much of a role in the game anymore. With the powerscaling of cards, it's all about draw and being able to play a good card every turn these days. Very rarely do you stop to think about any decisions.
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>>184478549
>urd
>dark alice
Are you retarded?
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>>184478675
>Not using ledgers to tutor alice
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>>184478502
I know you retard, that's why I said of course.
>>
What the fuck, dshift is good now?
Is the list any different than Totg?
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>5 winstreak with Daria Dshift
Enjoy Shadowverse.
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>roost is back
>not playing red ragewyrm
It's like you don't know how to enjoy videogames.
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>>184477431
yes , phantom cat is for some reason works in this deck.
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>>184478902
I only play for winning
fun is for pussies
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>>184479023
>using the shitty inconsistent version without dealers
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>>184479023
that's one diabolical brick
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Explain this please. Why Lurching Corpse effect was activated first?
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>>184479304
I've lost games because of this shit too, I hate that I have to use corpse in nep.
>>
>>184479304
Abilities proc from left to right.
>>
>>184479023
Why not carabosse instead of cat?
>>
>>184479304
It was pulled first
So effects go from left to right
>>
Someone help me with Forest please. I have absolutely no idea what is meta or good at the moment.
>>
>>184479023
>surprised over a draw 2 with no downside working in any deck
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>>184478857
Better go buy a lottery ticket right now since you are this lucky.
>>
>>184479491
put your name as PLSCONDEED and pray for a merciful opponent.
>>
>>184479491
Go Neutral or >Forest
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>>184479491
Put your name as KMR
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>>184479718
nice memes xDDD

>>184479736
Explain I haven't played since first expo
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>>184479409
>>184479419
>>184479446
>there is another level of rng in nep
What a twist
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>>184479797
Shadow is like the most RNG class in the game. Don't be suprised.
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>>184479781
>Explain I haven't played since first expo
Forest is garbage right now. Your best bet is Neutral Forest.
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>>184479781
That's how i do my forest dailies.
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>>184480012
How do I build that? What's the tactic?
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>>184478810
Please respond!
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>>184479304
That's why I keep telling people that corpse is bad in Nep and that 2478 Nep is shit in general.
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>>184480070
The tactic is to include as little forest card as possible and still get a garbage deck.
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>>184480070
Look for the Forest and Neutral cards that support Neutral synergy. Ideally you want cards that help you keeping a hand, like Khaiza, so that you can consistently fully trigger Beauty and the Beast on 6.
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>>184480143
Any alternatives for WD? I'm not Nep expert
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>>184480012
The upside of a craft being garbage is you can feel smugl for playing it and doing well. The best time for dragon memers was DE and to a lesser extent RoB.
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>>184480297
I don't know these names, got a list?
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>>184480310
Your regular 2378 with as many wards in the 3 slot as possible or you can try the ToG ledger version.
>>
>>184480397
Just look them up in-game
>>
New
>>184480603
>>184480603
>>184480603
New
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>>184479491
レテイアお願いします in your name and rope them in unranked if your doing dialies
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>>184480310
Neutral package with liches
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>>184480658
>5 hours thread
You did it, KMR!
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>>184481113
>he thinks people aren't going to quit again when they realize neutral is still king
>>
>>184480310
3478 was the best nep in totg, imo. and we're now playing in totg meta so idk
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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